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20100211 00:08:48< nobody> hey everyone. i was having some trouble running wesnoth. i'm trying to play it by myself, but i can't seem to figure out what binary to execute. i'm using gentoo linux, by the way.
20100211 00:09:40< sevis> Hm. The binary here is /usr/games/bin/wesnoth.
20100211 00:10:00< sevis> Are you on stable or testing?
20100211 00:10:14< nobody> testing, i believe. i have a wesnothd in that directory, but no wesnoth
20100211 00:10:54< nobody> i'm using 1.7.12
20100211 00:13:24< sevis> Hm, don't know, then.
20100211 00:13:52< sevis> (and by stable/testing, I meant arch or ~arch, sorry)
20100211 00:13:59< sevis> Did you install Wesnoth through portage?
20100211 00:17:50< nobody> that's correct, sevis. also, my package.keywords and package.unmask files both have wesnoth listed in them without any tildes or anything to the right of them
20100211 00:18:21< nobody> i have been having the same problem with the stable ebuild of wesnoth, also
20100211 00:18:41< nobody> ah.. maybe i should remove the dedicated flag lmao
20100211 00:18:48< Ivanovic> nobody: have you selected the "deficated" flag=
20100211 00:18:49< sevis> Hm. It's strange they're there at all, seeing as wesnoth is unmasked.
20100211 00:18:51< Ivanovic> there you are!
20100211 00:19:29< nobody> guess i'm off to rebuild wesnoth and play it some :D thanks for attempting to help me out with this
20100211 00:19:57< nobody> i wonder what else will need rebuilding once i remove dedicated from my use flags
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20100211 03:01:43< liam__> hey
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20100211 04:14:35< bp0> is the iphone wesnoth going to be updated for ipad?
20100211 04:15:22< shadowmaster> no idea, we don't maintain it
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20100211 04:21:35< bp0> anyway seems like a good platform for this kind of thing
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20100211 10:14:37< rocket16> Hello all
20100211 10:15:25< rocket16> Hello to you all, VurtualRuler, milwac, Sacho, sevis and others
20100211 10:17:18< rocket16> By the way, I just had a look at the Wesnoth manual, and got to be aware that, the procedure for Cheating is given there!
20100211 10:17:20< rocket16> lol
20100211 10:17:22< rocket16> :)
20100211 10:18:43< rocket16> So, milwac, are you from USA?
20100211 10:19:03< rocket16> Oops, I just noted that you are from India too, sorry
20100211 10:19:17< rocket16> Nice to see another Indian here, milwac
20100211 10:19:49< rocket16> And sevis, have you tried the A.I yet?
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20100211 10:21:27< rocket16> (Linux = Ubuntu) * ::-::
20100211 10:21:47< rocket16> +-<:-)
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20100211 10:38:18< milwac> oh hey rocket, yeah i'm from bangalore
20100211 10:38:22< milwac> where are you from?
20100211 10:39:32< rocket16> I am from Kolkata
20100211 10:39:39< rocket16> Kolkata, West Bengal
20100211 10:39:46< milwac> oh great
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20100211 10:40:01< milwac> actually i work in bangalore.. i'm from guwahati
20100211 10:40:25< Ivanovic> moin
20100211 10:40:32< rocket16> So, are you a fan of Ubuntu, or any other Linux-Distro? (Guwahati is great, and is the jewel of Assam)
20100211 10:43:00< milwac> wow.. you're quite knowledgeable :) yeah i used fedora during 2 years during my btech days and then switched to Ubuntu 
20100211 10:43:06< milwac> stuck to ever since :)
20100211 10:43:18< milwac> to it*
20100211 10:44:01< rocket16> milawc, you too, are excellent. And, I am Ubuntu fan too!
20100211 10:44:15< rocket16> Ubuntu is the best
20100211 10:44:55< rocket16> I tried Fedora, Debian, Slackware etc., but they are no match for Ubuntu
20100211 10:45:16< milwac> hehe.. btw we had too much of an Ubuntu vs Slackware vs XYZ Linux distro discussion on wesnoth yesterday
20100211 10:45:54< rocket16> Yes, right
20100211 10:47:01< VurtualRuler98> We will all use Windows Millenium Edition to stop the debate..
20100211 10:47:55< rocket16> Anyway
20100211 10:57:53< rocket16> Nothing to quarrel about Ubuntu vs Linux distros
20100211 10:58:05< rocket16> Better to focus on defeating Windows users
20100211 10:59:29< rocket16> Any Linux Distro > Windows
20100211 11:00:41< VurtualRuler98> sure sure
20100211 11:00:46< VurtualRuler98> Let me get back to you on that.
20100211 11:01:12< rocket16> Thanks
20100211 11:01:13< VurtualRuler98> Preparing to launch ARMA II...
20100211 11:01:21< VurtualRuler98> Oh, wait, what was that?
20100211 11:02:04< rocket16> What?
20100211 11:02:50< VurtualRuler98> Windows has to deal with everyone expecting the computer to never just start breaking into pieces, or act weird out of nowhere. And Microsoft has the position of power to make everything work well.
20100211 11:03:20< rocket16> yes,
20100211 11:03:33< VurtualRuler98> You don't have to deal with making sure everything works on 3000 types of the same thing, which don't work for 1-2 reasons.
20100211 11:04:14< VurtualRuler98> Unless everyone started acting like a hippie and fighting the power, you'll never be able to have that with linux.
20100211 11:05:51< VurtualRuler98> I actually want to see if anyone's got ARMA 2 working on linux reliably yet. It doesn't help that they attract to laptops so well.
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20100211 11:08:59< Sacho> what is ARMA?
20100211 11:09:19< Sacho> And why is it the criteria on which you judge OSes?
20100211 11:10:00< VurtualRuler98> Well, it's a game. And it's new, hardware-demanding.
20100211 11:10:31< VurtualRuler98> So whenever someone says linux is better than windows in all cases, I use it to get accross the point that it can only do so much.
20100211 11:10:40< Ivanovic> VurtualRuler98: ask the company that released/published it for a native linux version
20100211 11:10:50< Ivanovic> unless you have that the comparision is bogus anyway
20100211 11:11:51< VurtualRuler98> I don't think anyone actually has a computer built to run it that doesn't run windows at least partially.
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20100211 11:12:42< Ivanovic> why would i build a linux only machine if i wanted to run this game only which does not have a native linux binary?
20100211 11:12:46< Ivanovic> this would be STUPID!
20100211 11:13:03< Ivanovic> sorry, if you want to play this game, you should use windows (at least for playing it) and that's it
20100211 11:14:51< rocket16> Yes, Windows = For gaming only
20100211 11:15:21< Euthanatos> i don't play games that don't support linux
20100211 11:15:27< rocket16> But Wesnoth on Windows works nicely
20100211 11:15:28< Ivanovic> if it comes to "normal work tasks for endusers" most won't even see a real difference when they use linux or windows
20100211 11:15:38< Ivanovic> in both cases they are not able to update stuff and the likes
20100211 11:15:44< Euthanatos> a difference in price maybe
20100211 11:15:44< Ivanovic> rocket16: NOT!
20100211 11:15:46< Euthanatos> lol
20100211 11:15:55< Ivanovic> rocket16: compared to the linux version it is damn slow!
20100211 11:15:56< rocket16> Euthanatos: Nice, we need more talented users like you, who can deny Windows. I admire your ideology
20100211 11:16:09< Euthanatos> well it's the only thing windows is good for
20100211 11:16:15< Euthanatos> and I have AA & wesnoth
20100211 11:16:17< rocket16> Ivanonic: I agree, but more one problem s there
20100211 11:16:26< Euthanatos> also Wolfenstein
20100211 11:16:44< rocket16> Ivanovic: Windows soupports more games, and it is the only reason people use it
20100211 11:16:46< Euthanatos> the only problem I'm oging ot have is with shadowbane
20100211 11:16:48< zookeeper> rocket16, why are you here everyday starting the same old linux vs windows arguments?
20100211 11:17:03< Euthanatos> I may pirate a copy of windoze to play shadowbane
20100211 11:17:06< rocket16> Zookeeper: I am not dragging this here
20100211 11:17:16< Euthanatos> once the emulator goes live
20100211 11:17:22< Ivanovic> Euthanatos: there are several other fun games: etqw, sacred, ankh 1+2, jack keane, (german) Edna bricht aus, ...
20100211 11:17:23< rocket16> Zookeeper: Just discussing :)
20100211 11:17:40< VurtualRuler98> I also use windows because I don't have to worry about having my screen blow up.
20100211 11:17:47< Ivanovic> rocket16: and that people use it because of game is relevant in how far?
20100211 11:17:54< Euthanatos> i'm not sure I really like wet so i doubt i'd like etqw
20100211 11:17:57< Ivanovic> it is relevant for kids and those playing WoW, right?
20100211 11:18:03< VurtualRuler98> One of the two main problems with any time I use linux is that the OS always feels like making the screen stop working is acceptable.
20100211 11:18:08< rocket16> Ivanonic: Yes
20100211 11:18:12< Euthanatos> LOL@WoW
20100211 11:18:25< rocket16> Anyway, my friend always cheats while playing Wesnoth
20100211 11:18:26< Euthanatos> If you play wow you have bigger problems than an addiction to M$
20100211 11:18:29< Ivanovic> the tiny games that "older" people (aka known as "parents") play are also available on linux, stuff like minesweeper and solitair
20100211 11:18:32< VurtualRuler98> I wonder if paladins stop being op on ubuntu.
20100211 11:18:43< VurtualRuler98> Oh come on, parents never play minesweeper.
20100211 11:18:48< rocket16> And, he learnt cheating from the manual :) (:debug)
20100211 11:18:49< VurtualRuler98> That's just something for people in their 20s.
20100211 11:19:05< Ivanovic> and there they also have a browser and a program to write mails and letters as well as take care of spreadsheets
20100211 11:19:24< VurtualRuler98> Older people play first person shooters and(sometimes) strategy games.
20100211 11:19:27< Ivanovic> those would mainly not see any difference between the two systems, they would just use them and not care if there is windows or linux
20100211 11:20:19< rocket16> Ivanovic: Then we linux users should make a virus and insert it into Windows, to make a mess of Windows, to demonstrate the weakness of Windows
20100211 11:20:36< VurtualRuler98> rocket16, windows hasn't been virus haven for a very very long time.
20100211 11:20:38< zookeeper> rocket16, how old are you btw?
20100211 11:20:41< Ivanovic> what difference does one more virus make?
20100211 11:20:51< Ivanovic> zookeeper: rough guess: 16 / 2
20100211 11:20:52< VurtualRuler98> He was born in 16, 2016. He must be negative six.
20100211 11:20:53< Ivanovic> ;)
20100211 11:21:04< rocket16> One Virus = Many Virus
20100211 11:21:08< rocket16> Zookeeper: I am 14
20100211 11:21:09< Euthanatos> i wouldn't know if windoze is a 'virus haven' anymore
20100211 11:21:15< zookeeper> rocket16, fine, i'll leave you alone then.
20100211 11:21:27< Euthanatos> but i frequently hear windoze users talking about getting viruses and problems and shit
20100211 11:21:27< rocket16> Zookeeper:: Why so?
20100211 11:21:34< Euthanatos> no media pandemics tho
20100211 11:21:38< VurtualRuler98> I normally would be -88, but that's fast enough to travel through time, so I'm from the near-end of the new millenium.
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20100211 11:22:04< VurtualRuler98> Why do you call it "windoze"?
20100211 11:22:07< Sacho> The OS discussion is getting kinda worn anyway.
20100211 11:22:15< VurtualRuler98> Is it like "Micro$oft"?
20100211 11:22:23< Euthanatos> 'Cuz it's for sleepers
20100211 11:22:27< Euthanatos> =P
20100211 11:22:31< Euthanatos> lol
20100211 11:22:33< VurtualRuler98> Sure it is, mr propoganda pants.
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20100211 11:22:39< rocket16> Euthanatos: Yes, my friend started Windows Vista with Avast Antivirus , and got infected with a auto-shutdown virus soon, from the Internet (on the third day of buying Computer)
20100211 11:22:54< Euthanatos> i'ts my opinion and my expression, you asked =)
20100211 11:23:00< VurtualRuler98> Ironically my mom just got a blank popup on her brand new, "top of the line" laptop. It was titled Adobe Reader and had a question mark icon, with only an "ok"
20100211 11:23:01< zookeeper> rocket16, because if you were much older then i wouldn't believe if you said you weren't just intentionally trying to annoy people. now i just might.
20100211 11:23:32< VurtualRuler98> rocket16, well, there are certain sites out there that are bad for your computer.
20100211 11:23:57< Euthanatos> isn't there a #oswarz or some shit
20100211 11:23:58< rocket16> VurtualRuler98: Yes, I agree. But no for Linux
20100211 11:24:05< VurtualRuler98> Now we can talk about that dirty... er, I mean, special addiction of yours...your friends later. But firstly, avast sucks.
20100211 11:24:09< Euthanatos> this is freenode
20100211 11:24:29< rocket16> Avast is truely bad,
20100211 11:24:44< rocket16> But no antivirus can make Windows as secure as Linux, agree?
20100211 11:25:08< rocket16> Linux is like a turtle, with a hard shell protecting it from Virus
20100211 11:25:13< Euthanatos> windoze dsecurity and linux security are different
20100211 11:25:14< VurtualRuler98> I've been running kaspersky, it works well.
20100211 11:25:44< rocket16> VurtualRuler98: Still, you need to spend money to buy Licenses for Kaspersky,
20100211 11:25:46< Euthanatos> rocket16, do you use encryption or selinux? or apparmor?
20100211 11:26:01< VurtualRuler98> No, someone else does. I live in a basement without a job.
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20100211 11:26:10< rocket16> Euthanatos: I use ufw + clamav + encryption
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20100211 11:26:36< Euthanatos> i used to use AES-256 on my laptop, externals and some removeable medias
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20100211 11:26:51< VurtualRuler98> Also, this is totally not for sleepers. It's 4:26 and I'm still up, while using Ubuntu I'd be on a laptop, half-asleep.
20100211 11:27:00< Euthanatos> now i only use it on my USB HD and a small extra HD i keep sensitive info on
20100211 11:27:13< VurtualRuler98> Wait, sensitive info?
20100211 11:27:24< rocket16> Ethanatos: Just because of an incident, in which a .bat virus was running a dos game in my Linux System, under dosemu. But when I gave it to my friend in his Wndows machine, it infected his machine and killed it
20100211 11:27:38< VurtualRuler98> a .bat virus?
20100211 11:28:02< rocket16> A batch script virus, created using bvck.exe perhaps
20100211 11:28:02< Euthanatos> in a bit more abstract of a sense i mean'sleepers' like.....the matrix and shit
20100211 11:28:43< Euthanatos> yeah i have no sympathy for windoze users
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20100211 11:29:05< rocket16> Euthanatos: WAnt to hear another funny Windows incident?
20100211 11:29:05< Euthanatos> can't be arsed to clam
20100211 11:29:07< VurtualRuler98> I have no sympathy for your little cult.
20100211 11:29:30< Euthanatos> That's okay...I don't need it. I have no complaints with my OS
20100211 11:29:33< VurtualRuler98> What magically makes linux invincible, and windows an instantly-killable machine?
20100211 11:29:54< rocket16> VurtualRuler98: The default user privileges in Lnux system
20100211 11:29:57< Euthanatos> it's the way it's built
20100211 11:30:00< Euthanatos> that too but
20100211 11:30:48< rocket16> VurtualRuler98: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=200869 here it is said why linux is secure strongly
20100211 11:30:55< VurtualRuler98> I've had no problems with user privelages whatsoever. I can access my files, and I have to hit a button to do anything dangerous. Sure, it isn't the most tight system on earth, but it does the job
20100211 11:31:27< Euthanatos> http://kerneltrap.org/node/14599
20100211 11:31:32< Euthanatos> That's why ^^
20100211 11:31:39< VurtualRuler98> Also, don't you hate security through obscurity?
20100211 11:31:52< VurtualRuler98> I thought that was some forbidden fruit of open source fanatics.
20100211 11:32:52< rocket16> Exaile is a nice GTK+ Media-Player.
20100211 11:33:04< Euthanatos> obscurity?
20100211 11:33:08< Euthanatos> I don't follow
20100211 11:33:17< VurtualRuler98> "Smaller target"
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20100211 11:33:36< Euthanatos> That's not true anymore though
20100211 11:34:27< Euthanatos> Linux is pretty damn popular anymore
20100211 11:34:44< Euthanatos> Seriously...Ubuntu is a like a fad or some shit now
20100211 11:35:11< rocket16> Euthanatos: lol :)
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20100211 11:35:27< Euthanatos> It's like....COOL to hate M$
20100211 11:35:47< morphles> is there a way to load multiplayer game?(wesnoth 1.6)
20100211 11:35:49< VurtualRuler98> Yeah, you must be the coolest kid on the block.
20100211 11:35:53< rocket16> right Euthanatos,
20100211 11:36:06< Euthanatos> I was being facetious
20100211 11:36:08< VurtualRuler98> morphles, I THINK there might be a button where you pick the map.
20100211 11:36:46< morphles> oh thanks, well i just must say, not a wery straigtforward place to place a load game option :)
20100211 11:36:47< Euthanatos> I was hating microsoft and preaching that bill gates was the antichrist long before anyone even knew what Ubuntu WAS!
20100211 11:36:51< VurtualRuler98> I'm gonna check
20100211 11:37:27< rocket16> Bill Gates= Billy the clown
20100211 11:37:29< VurtualRuler98> Man, I can't find it anymore.
20100211 11:37:53< Euthanatos> I was in diapers drawing horns on time magazine covers
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20100211 11:38:03< Euthanatos> wah wah wah
20100211 11:38:06< VurtualRuler98> Bill Gates did nothing to you. He made an operating system that isn't your exact idea of how an OS should be, and can't just change it.
20100211 11:39:23< rocket16> VurtualRuler98, so are youa fan of Bill Gates?
20100211 11:39:44< rocket16> History of Windows: Microsoft Windows, or simply "Windows", is the collective name for a series of failures that began in 1983 as a means of reversing the stagnation of the computer hardware market. Copying features from other competing platforms, Windows began as an add-on piece of bloated code latched to Microsoft Disk Operating System (or "MS-DOS"), but a series turnings of event eventually allowed Windows saw the opportunity to dominate the desktop 
20100211 11:39:44< rocket16> computer platform and become one of the most popular broken software products of all times. 
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20100211 11:40:28< VurtualRuler98> You can happily go stick to game-racism based on OS support and chastise the idiots who insist their tiny bit of windows 7(complete with IE6) knowledge is magically beter than any experience you have because they are them, but going on a crusade to burn down anyone who uses different.
20100211 11:40:42< VurtualRuler98> That's just not right
20100211 11:40:50< zookeeper> rocket16, fine, i don't care if you're 14 or not, but cut down on the generic m$-hating nonsense everyone's heard a thousand times before.
20100211 11:41:02< VurtualRuler98> I mean, windows is popular for a reason. It has to be doing at least so well.
20100211 11:41:13< Sacho> let's discuss wesnoth
20100211 11:41:15< Euthanatos> wow dude
20100211 11:41:21< Euthanatos> i was just making a joke
20100211 11:41:23< VurtualRuler98> Wesnoth is hiding a loading button from us. We should go find it.
20100211 11:41:24< Sacho> northern rebirth mission 2 is a bitch :P
20100211 11:41:30< Euthanatos> you take this shit too seriously
20100211 11:41:32< zookeeper> Sacho, good idea.
20100211 11:41:34< rocket16> Microsoft Windows ®
20100211 11:41:34< rocket16> Your money. Our passion. 
20100211 11:42:13< VurtualRuler98> Euthanatos, I have 30 ranks in lie detection, and an Alaska-sized rank in tired of anti-windows propoganda.
20100211 11:42:28< Sacho> I read about "pushing through" the trolls
20100211 11:42:32< Sacho> but I don't see how that works
20100211 11:42:41< Sacho> I can't kill them fast enough :(
20100211 11:42:50< zookeeper> Sacho, weren't we supposed to talk of wesnoth?
20100211 11:42:55< zookeeper> oh...oh. nevermind.
20100211 11:43:05< VurtualRuler98> Undermine their "windows sucks" logic with science.
20100211 11:43:20< Sacho> especially the north side with that 2 length corridor :P
20100211 11:43:55< Euthanatos> Look, I'll give that windoze isn't THAT bad....and that my biggest issues with wondioze stem from what *probably* unnecessary paranoia
20100211 11:44:04< VurtualRuler98> Also, kill it with fire? 
20100211 11:44:07< fendrin> VurtualRuler98: Microsoft is delaying the development of the whole computer industry by several years. And that harm do they do even to non users. That is the harm that every monopolist does to the market. Only to mention one evil thing about microsoft.
20100211 11:44:11< rocket16> Zookeepr: Hey, whats your problem? I don't care what you say.
20100211 11:44:33< VurtualRuler98> or have a wizard do it.
20100211 11:44:42< Euthanatos> but i like linux....I'm comfortable with my options in it...
20100211 11:45:10< VurtualRuler98> Actually, what are they delaying, and how?
20100211 11:45:30< fendrin> VurtualRuler98: The development of open industry standards for example.
20100211 11:45:50< zookeeper> rocket16, apparently.
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20100211 11:47:14< rocket16> Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX1vT5I-iIg really funny
20100211 11:47:22< Euthanatos> fendrin, yes but that was the 90's we're well into kicking M$ ass with OS software
20100211 11:47:31< VurtualRuler98> Now pretend that, THEORETICALLY, I don't know what you actually mean by "hindering open industry standards"
20100211 11:48:11< morphles> heh nice discussion you got there :)
20100211 11:48:25< Sacho> so has anyone here played northern rebirth?
20100211 11:48:31< morphles> well i might just join in a little bit, ms fucked up web with IE its a fact
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20100211 11:49:19< VurtualRuler98> yup
20100211 11:49:39< rocket16> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX1vT5I-iIg Hitler vs Microsoft
20100211 11:49:47< VurtualRuler98> It's like windows xp, if IE6 was more like netscape, but still had the same effect on the world as IE6.
20100211 11:50:48< rocket16> Bill Gates = Billy Goat
20100211 11:51:26< morphles> oh and how people like ooxml? :)
20100211 11:51:38< VurtualRuler98> Also, what OS was this that you were using, rocket16, when you thought it'd be a good idea to take a "virus" and intentionally put it on a computer?
20100211 11:51:53< morphles> :D
20100211 11:51:54< VurtualRuler98> Did this "friend" steal your reese's cups?
20100211 11:52:02< morphles> no os is ressitant tu users :)
20100211 11:52:07< Euthanatos> you misunderstood him
20100211 11:52:18< Euthanatos> he didn't iintentionally putit on his friends computer
20100211 11:52:24< Euthanatos> they both used the same application
20100211 11:52:34< rocket16> Yes, thanks Euthanatos. 
20100211 11:52:38< Euthanatos> but he didn't notice the app had a virus on it because it didn't work in linux
20100211 11:53:05< Euthanatos> also...funny vid
20100211 11:53:07< VurtualRuler98> Now why'd you go download a virus-filled program? What was the program?
20100211 11:53:18< rocket16> Yes, that demonstrates the security of Linux (I am sorry, I should have scanned it with ClamAV)
20100211 11:53:34< rocket16> The programme was "King Arthur", a Dos GAme
20100211 11:53:36< morphles> ahem what about linux security??
20100211 11:53:42< VurtualRuler98> So wait just a moment
20100211 11:54:05< Euthanatos> yeah i ahve several dos games i emulate in dosbox for nostalgia
20100211 11:54:05< VurtualRuler98> You pirated a game, then whined when someone had put a virus in it?
20100211 11:54:09< Euthanatos> like Monkey Islad =D
20100211 11:54:17< Euthanatos> Island*
20100211 11:54:18< Sacho> VurtualRuler98: are you done trolling?
20100211 11:54:31< Euthanatos> he wasn't whining...it didn't hurt him one bit lol
20100211 11:54:36< VurtualRuler98> I'm actually just writing this down.
20100211 11:54:47< Ivanovic> kids, i think this was enough talk about windows and the likes, what about getting back on topic (look at the chan name to get an idea what the topci might be....)
20100211 11:54:59< morphles> :)
20100211 11:55:07< Euthanatos> Also, most Dos games are now abandonware...so it's technically not pirating
20100211 11:55:23< morphles> yeah as i there saying in multiplayer, load game should be easier to find :)
20100211 11:55:25< rocket16> VurtaulRuler98, I did not pirate any game. It was free, and was quite old
20100211 11:55:37< VurtualRuler98> Where'd you get it?
20100211 11:55:50< rocket16> From http://www.mobygames.com/game-group/king-arthurcamelot-games
20100211 11:55:52< Ivanovic> morphles: i don't see a good was to do so
20100211 11:56:05< Ivanovic> morphles: the problem is that you basically *do* create a new game with possibly new players
20100211 11:56:12< Euthanatos> If you guys have a problem with the discussion then feel free to tlak about something else
20100211 11:56:26< Euthanatos> but otherwis.e.%90 of the time no one is talking about ANYTHING in here
20100211 11:56:26< Ivanovic> (since the game with the current status of your scenario is not running atm, it is a new game)
20100211 11:56:30< Sacho> I tried, but you kept rambling about OS-es
20100211 11:56:48< Ivanovic> Euthanatos: yeah, and this chan is logged and the logs *might* include something usefull for devs looking through them
20100211 11:56:49< Euthanatos> You didn't talked about anything wesnoth related
20100211 11:56:56< Euthanatos> you talk about talking about wesnoth related things
20100211 11:57:17< morphles> wel programicly yes, but loggily you want to continue with same people, and you go looking for _button_ to load game just like in singleplayer
20100211 11:57:18< Ivanovic> looking through them is basically impossible if there are some 10MB log files because of some stupid OS discussion that brings *nothing*
20100211 11:57:23< Sacho> ....
20100211 11:57:42< morphles> yeah go create chanels osflamewars 
20100211 11:57:42< VurtualRuler98> Just add a sensor for pointless OS discussions then.
20100211 11:57:43< morphles> :)
20100211 11:57:50< morphles> channel*
20100211 11:58:03< Ivanovic> everyone is free to open their own chan to talk about something not wesnoth related
20100211 11:58:06< rocket16> morphles, good saying
20100211 11:58:19< rocket16> Sorry all, I sdould not have started OS Wars here
20100211 11:58:23< Ivanovic> morphles: especially the "same people" part is most likely impossible
20100211 11:58:34< morphles> Ivanovic: depends
20100211 11:58:43< VurtualRuler98> Unless it's friends/family/players haunting you.
20100211 11:58:47< morphles> if you play with random people on official server yes
20100211 11:58:49< morphles> but i played with my firend
20100211 11:58:56< morphles> so its perfectly possible
20100211 11:59:04< Sacho> I don't think the load game button is poorly placed
20100211 11:59:04< Ivanovic> morphles: and you can just start the game, ask your friend to join and be done
20100211 11:59:12< rocket16> Bye all, see you all later
20100211 11:59:26< morphles> Sacho: is not a button at all...
20100211 11:59:49< rocket16> Bye Euthanatos, thanks for helping me clear the offence added to my name, by your Brilliant reasosing
20100211 11:59:56< rocket16> Sorry , "reasoning"
20100211 11:59:58< rocket16> Bye
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20100211 12:00:04< morphles> dunno ie heroes 5 has normal laod game button in multiplayer and seems vey vell
20100211 12:00:09< Ivanovic> some kind of "direct" button to "resume game with the exact players as before" has to make too many asumptions (and takes valuable space, have you ever looked at the lobby in 800x600, not to speak of 800x480?)
20100211 12:00:33< morphles> lobby maybe
20100211 12:00:38< morphles> but if im hosting private game
20100211 12:00:46< morphles> wia host game withou offcial server
20100211 12:00:57< Ivanovic> you do know what the host game button does, right?
20100211 12:01:12< morphles> host menu option ot button
20100211 12:01:13< Ivanovic> it does start the server which runs on our online box on your local machine
20100211 12:01:31< Ivanovic> and makes you connect to the server running on your very own computer
20100211 12:01:39< morphles> Ivanovic: pardon?? if i dont join offcial server it still host on your servers???
20100211 12:01:41< Ivanovic> many people could join this server and create many games there
20100211 12:01:49< Ivanovic> no, but you run basically the same program
20100211 12:01:55< morphles> that i understand
20100211 12:02:08< Ivanovic> as in "dedicated server", known from various games
20100211 12:02:54< morphles> considering what you that on official serer it is hardly possible to collect same people for loading game
20100211 12:03:02< morphles> whats the point of saving then i the first place
20100211 12:03:07< morphles> in*
20100211 12:03:24< morphles> what you say*
20100211 12:03:34< morphles> sorry for mistypes :(
20100211 12:04:10< Ivanovic> huh?
20100211 12:04:57< Ivanovic> what you have to see that there is technically no difference if you play on the official mp server or "host a local game" (which just starts an unofficial server on your machine that noone knows about unless you tell them)
20100211 12:05:18< morphles> i see thet, btw i dont say place load game button in the lobby itself
20100211 12:05:18< Ivanovic> so the functionality has to be identical in both cases
20100211 12:05:58< morphles> just then you het to host hame screen, i think it would be better if load game would be nice button with std golden border, insted of entry in map list
20100211 12:06:19< morphles> get*
20100211 12:06:33< Ivanovic> again the question: where to place it?
20100211 12:06:40< morphles> just a sec ;)
20100211 12:06:57< Ivanovic> the space currently available in the "start mp game" screen is full
20100211 12:07:04< Ivanovic> at least when in 800x600
20100211 12:07:05< morphles> hm under map ie?
20100211 12:07:15< morphles> oh lets see :
20100211 12:07:17< morphles> :)
20100211 12:07:40< Ivanovic> or even in 800x480 (you have to start with the --smallgui parameter, required eg for some netbooks plus devices like the n900 or the pandora)
20100211 12:07:44< morphles> yeah under map preview there is some space
20100211 12:08:06< Ivanovic> click on "random map" and you will see the space available there used up
20100211 12:09:25< morphles> hm yes
20100211 12:09:28< Ivanovic> beside this at least in the dev version the "Load game" button is at the top of the map list and bold
20100211 12:09:38< Ivanovic> basically the best we can do with the space limitations we have
20100211 12:09:43< morphles> well as i see
20100211 12:10:03< morphles> screen title is CREATE GAME with quite a big letters, there could be a buton near it
20100211 12:10:06< morphles> load game
20100211 12:10:14< morphles> whole unused line
20100211 12:10:23< morphles> and i must note that sliders seem a bit too large
20100211 12:10:27< Ivanovic> do not underestimate translations!
20100211 12:10:29< morphles> in res like 800x512
20100211 12:10:33< morphles> hm
20100211 12:10:40< morphles> ok then
20100211 12:10:41< Ivanovic> in translations the space required is often (by far) more than in english
20100211 12:10:43< morphles> you can 
20100211 12:10:50< morphles> do this
20100211 12:10:57< Ivanovic> so you can't just say "okay, in english there is enough space there right beside this title"
20100211 12:10:58< morphles> well of course its a retarded place but still
20100211 12:11:07< morphles> playr list
20100211 12:11:16< morphles> decrease it size by one entry 
20100211 12:11:20< morphles> or even
20100211 12:11:24< Ivanovic> in general the map list *should* work nicely
20100211 12:12:06< morphles> hm in 800x512 map options are totally mess up for me
20100211 12:12:20< morphles> like some sliders are in chat area
20100211 12:12:37< morphles> set password is also in chat area
20100211 12:12:41< Ivanovic> yeah, space problems!
20100211 12:12:44< Ivanovic> ;)
20100211 12:12:53< morphles> well 
20100211 12:13:00< morphles> id say scrollbar on map list is very wide
20100211 12:13:18< morphles> you could adde scroll bar to map options part too
20100211 12:13:30< Sacho> was there a button to replay the last computer turn?
20100211 12:13:49< morphles> is there a way to replay last enmeis turn (in multiplayer) if you missed it?
20100211 12:14:04< morphles> yesterday i was looking for it but couldnt find :(
20100211 12:14:49< morphles> and as i said, sliders seem way too big verticly
20100211 12:15:20< Ivanovic> uhm, i don't think there is a way to redo the last turn in mp
20100211 12:15:29< Ivanovic> unless you saved before it and loaded that save!
20100211 12:15:30< morphles> thats serious problem imho
20100211 12:15:34< Ivanovic> why?
20100211 12:15:53< Ivanovic> because this stops you from save-loading in mp matches?
20100211 12:16:09< morphles> if you play multiplayer game (not the fast one on official) but lets say with friends ralaxing game
20100211 12:16:19< morphles> and you go to make sandwitch while its your friends turn
20100211 12:16:30< morphles> and then you cant see what is exactly what he did
20100211 12:16:42< Sacho> in mp you should remember where your units were, anyhow
20100211 12:16:43< Ivanovic> ah, this is what you mean
20100211 12:16:53< morphles> and becouse heroes has this option :)
20100211 12:17:08< Ivanovic> feel free to write a feature request as in "show replay of last enemy turn" or the likes
20100211 12:17:19< Ivanovic> bugs.wesnoth.org is the place to go to for this feature request
20100211 12:17:29< Ivanovic> just submit a new bug/feature and select "feature request"
20100211 12:18:42< morphles> hm bugs.wesnoth.org gives me untrusted sertificate (i belive its false alarm but still)
20100211 12:18:59< VurtualRuler98> Same here
20100211 12:19:02< Ivanovic> yes, this is rather normal
20100211 12:19:12< morphles> its not normal :)
20100211 12:19:19< Ivanovic> since the certicification site is not one of the huge official ones
20100211 12:19:43< Ivanovic> though it is often used for open source projects, so it is a certificate that you can just download, add to your browser and be done
20100211 12:20:00< VurtualRuler98> That's like saying "Well, that guy exploding into gore is normal, our physics aren't one of the normal physics."
20100211 12:20:12< morphles> :D
20100211 12:20:14< VurtualRuler98> It will never seem normal or be considered normal in any condition.
20100211 12:21:09< Ivanovic> VurtualRuler98: you could just tell the gna people that they should make the certification site they use go for inclusion in your browser
20100211 12:21:17< Ivanovic> though this is probably difficult
20100211 12:21:27< Ivanovic> or you could just download the certificate, add it and be done
20100211 12:21:36< VurtualRuler98> You'd think firefox would be.
20100211 12:22:01< Ivanovic> VurtualRuler98: looks like cacert.org is not included there
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20100211 12:22:05< Ivanovic> so make them add it...
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20100211 12:22:50< VurtualRuler98> "Hello massive browser company, I demand you add a site to certify I don't even visit."
20100211 12:23:16< VurtualRuler98> All I was even doing was verifying that the site wasn't considered trusted, and it wasn't just his computer/network, man.
20100211 12:23:19< Ivanovic> you know, cacert is a rather big and well known certificator
20100211 12:23:26< Ivanovic> it is just not added in your firefox
20100211 12:23:38< morphles> yeah
20100211 12:23:47< morphles> certification is not that simple VurtualRuler98 
20100211 12:24:07< morphles> iirc you hav to pay to be able to give out official certs
20100211 12:24:18< Ivanovic> jupp
20100211 12:25:03< VurtualRuler98> I think questionansweringitis has decayed your minds too much.
20100211 12:25:27< Ivanovic> though if you trust cacert.org (used for many opensource oriented projects) you can just add their certificate as a matter "i trust the ones cacert.org trusts": http://www.cacert.org/index.php?id=3
20100211 12:31:31< morphles> btw i have this one observation
20100211 12:32:27< morphles> if main battle takes place in map are there there is not much villages or non at all, id say poisioning units are a Huge advantage, would you agree with that?
20100211 12:33:25< VurtualRuler98> Yeah.
20100211 12:33:33< morphles> or am i just a noob that doesnt know how to deal with poision :)
20100211 12:33:34< VurtualRuler98> Especially if it's an essentially healer-less faction.
20100211 12:33:44< VurtualRuler98> well, poison-removing-unit-less.
20100211 12:33:50< VurtualRuler98> It's always annoying to have to move a unit away
20100211 12:35:19< morphles> i was playing drakes (got by random) aginst northerners on den of onis, and since the center is kinda devoid of vilages, assasins were giving me quite a tought time
20100211 12:36:06< morphles> well the game hasent ended, so ill see what can come out of this, but i think ill loose aginst assasin spam
20100211 12:37:34< Ivanovic> those saurian healers will help
20100211 12:37:42< Ivanovic> they stop the -8hp due to poison
20100211 12:38:05< morphles> hm? they heal +4 
20100211 12:38:08< morphles> at least lvl1
20100211 12:38:20< Ivanovic> yes, but healing also stops the effect of poisoning IIRC
20100211 12:38:38< morphles> hm gotta read about that :
20100211 12:38:39< morphles> :)
20100211 12:38:40< VurtualRuler98> What about that healing just for removing poison?
20100211 12:38:42< Ivanovic> that is: the unit gets no hp back and it is still poisoned, but it does not lose hp
20100211 12:38:50< Ivanovic> VurtualRuler98: that is called "cure"
20100211 12:39:08< VurtualRuler98> Yeah, I guess that'd throw a wrench in the "poison everything" plan.
20100211 12:40:01< Ivanovic> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/wesnoth/branches/1.6/doc/manual/manual.en.html#_poison
20100211 12:40:08< morphles> also sometimes it seems like assassins defence is a bti too high
20100211 12:40:27< Ivanovic> in the poison description you will see that "heals" will stop the effects of poison as long as teh unit is close to the healer
20100211 12:40:40< Ivanovic> it is not, they don't have many HP
20100211 12:41:01< Ivanovic> that is: in general drakes are rather fine when they are poisoned since those units are easily hit anyway and thus got lots of hp
20100211 12:41:17< morphles> well
20100211 12:41:25< Ivanovic> the -8hp are not *this* bad for the drakes though it of course adds to the "get it healed again" time
20100211 12:41:42< morphles> once i had slayer standing on willage aginst *6* drakes
20100211 12:41:45< morphles> for two turns
20100211 12:41:52< morphles> and soem drakes were lvl2
20100211 12:42:22< morphles> of course luck had something to do with that probably but still :)
20100211 12:42:27< morphles> 1vs6 :D
20100211 12:42:36< Ivanovic> have you considered not attacking him on the villiage?
20100211 12:42:37< Ivanovic> ;)
20100211 12:42:50< morphles> well good for me that i was with northerners that time :)
20100211 12:42:55< Ivanovic> that is: just let him stay there and attack the other units around, once it is off the village, attack it
20100211 12:43:02< Ivanovic> and attack it in close combat, not ranged
20100211 12:43:12< morphles> still in hills and mountains 70% def
20100211 12:43:18< morphles> yeah i know ranged is no no
20100211 12:43:28< morphles> unles maybe magical or marksman
20100211 12:43:32< morphles> with one hit kill :)
20100211 12:44:04< morphles> whats your fav unit? 
20100211 12:44:12< morphles> i like thieves very very much :D
20100211 12:44:29< morphles> night time and in pairs shred almos everything :D
20100211 12:44:30< Ivanovic> i don't have a favorite unit, i prefer a good and balanced mix of units
20100211 12:44:31< Ivanovic> ;)
20100211 12:44:41< morphles> yeah i nkow balance is most important but still
20100211 12:44:58< morphles> thive against wose at night is cool :D
20100211 12:45:05< morphles> nots so much at day :D
20100211 12:48:40< morphles> hm, anyone else thought that maybe it would be better to sort units in recruitement list byt price?
20100211 12:48:43< VurtualRuler98> I like horsemen, fast and capible of easily taking out other units.
20100211 12:48:43< morphles> by*
20100211 12:49:25< morphles> yeah they are nive, but quite wulnrable and expensive :)
20100211 12:49:45< morphles> oh goblins, what you think about goblins?
20100211 12:49:46< VurtualRuler98> Hm, gotta figure out what'd look like a good sealed "door" on the wall tile.
20100211 12:51:06< VurtualRuler98> I've never been able to use goblins. They just seemed mostly useless, not having enough health  and power to take on tougher things.
20100211 12:51:40< morphles> well i i thought this thay: very cheam, can have lots of them, and it you level one, and get leadership
20100211 12:51:51< morphles> ant night they then seem prety decent for price
20100211 12:52:29< morphles> dmg 6-3 * +50% (leadership+night) = 9-3 and thats just very not bad fro 9 gold :)
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20100211 12:53:08< morphles> ahem * should not have been there 
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20100211 12:54:45< morphles> just lack of zoc would be could be very very bad
20100211 12:55:11< morphles> omg :( im definetly not a good typist :(
20100211 12:56:10< VurtualRuler98> Hmm, the tiny symmetrical map I just made seems to be working out so far.
20100211 12:57:39< VurtualRuler98> Except the AI sent out their leader against me.
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20100211 13:18:31< morphles> ech luck is a bi*h
20100211 13:18:32< morphles> :D
20100211 13:18:39< morphles> but goblins are not a bad thing :)
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20100211 16:33:28< milwac> me play undead
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20100211 20:00:44< Smar> sevis: http://sooda.dy.fi/paste/?2EN :: you just can’t not to love usefulness of paludis :P
20100211 20:01:16< sevis> Yep.
20100211 20:01:25< sevis> Unfortunately, python-updater uses portage >.<
20100211 20:01:48< sevis> And, completely off-topic: I'm finally modding a mafia game :D
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20100211 20:02:37< Smar> what’s python updater?
20100211 20:03:00< Smar> * app-admin/python-updater
20100211 20:03:00< Smar>     gentoo:                  0.7 0.7-r1 0.8(~) 9999(~) {:0}
20100211 20:03:00< Smar>     installed:               9999* {:0}
20100211 20:03:06< Smar> try that version :)
20100211 20:03:09< Smar> 0.8 should work too
20100211 20:03:23< sevis> Program to update python... As far as I understand.
20100211 20:03:26< sevis> Oh, good idea, let me try...
20100211 20:03:29< Smar>     -P PM, --package-manager PM
20100211 20:03:34< Smar> supports even pkgcore
20100211 20:03:51< Smar> seems like I’ve needed it too sometimes :P
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20100211 20:05:06< sevis> Ah, good ide,a thanks
20100211 20:05:09< sevis> idea,*
20100211 20:05:27< Smar> :P
20100211 20:05:54< Smar> I’m atm cleaning up my overlay
20100211 20:06:10< sevis> I'm staring at five games, and waiting for something to happen xD
20100211 20:06:11< Smar> so it could actually be used...
20100211 20:06:19< Smar> I think 99% of it is either broken or trashy
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20100211 20:36:37< evanton> I had a dream last night about wesnoth :)
20100211 20:36:57< evanton> I saw adom implemented as wesnoth campain
20100211 20:37:15< evanton> now that would be super cool if this ever comes true
20100211 20:37:40< Smar> yup
20100211 20:38:39< evanton> the major problem is that wesnoth characters don't have inventaries
20100211 20:38:54< Smar> not really, you can do it with wml
20100211 20:39:02< Smar> not well, but doable
20100211 20:39:23< evanton> adom is really complicated, but very fun to play
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20100211 20:39:52< evanton> I saw diablo2 implemented as warcraft3 map sometime ago
20100211 20:40:04< evanton> maybe that was the reason for my dream
20100211 20:40:37< Smar> :D
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20100211 20:45:58< Smar> yaay
20100211 20:46:32< Smar> sevis: http://redmine.smar.fi/projects/smlay/repository :: removed only 70% ... :)
20100211 20:46:54< sevis> Hehe, looking.
20100211 20:47:12< Smar> now time to get trickle to compile...
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20100211 20:53:33< sevis> Just curious - what do you use the overlay for?
20100211 20:54:10< Smar> there’s always something I need
20100211 20:57:29< sevis> Hehe.
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20100211 21:03:38< morphles> over lava daytiem indicator changes to lighter, and drakes can go over lawa
20100211 21:03:47< morphles> does it affect their ability?
20100211 21:03:52< morphles> like make it day or dusk in night?
20100211 21:06:33< morphles> hm help answerd my question :)
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20100211 21:37:39< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20100211 21:49:34< Smar> morphles: lava illuminates, so makes things one step more lighted
20100211 21:49:40< Smar> meaning, dusk goes to day
20100211 21:49:45< Smar> and night to dusk
20100211 21:50:27< Smar> ..or atleast it were so some time ago. should be now too, *test it*
20100211 21:51:35< sevis> Smar, is this in terms of gameplay, or only visual?
20100211 21:51:46< Smar> in terms of gameplay
20100211 21:52:10< Smar> there is no thing called visual night/day :P
20100211 21:52:35< sevis> Erm, yes there is O_o
20100211 21:52:37< Smar> also, ingame help would tell about that
20100211 21:52:43< Smar> where? 
20100211 21:52:57< Smar> well, I haven’t yet managed to toy with 1.7 much
20100211 21:53:04< Smar> maybe I’ll update my copy and try it though
20100211 21:53:11< sevis> The colour tones change, I mean.
20100211 21:53:20< Smar> emm?
20100211 21:53:30< sevis> Well... They do in my game, in 1.6.5
20100211 21:53:38< Smar> but it is gameplay that does change the time of the day
20100211 21:53:43< Smar> it’s not purely visual
20100211 21:54:02< Smar> lava is just one type of illuminated tile
20100211 21:54:02< sevis> I mean... That lava would change the visual setting of time of day for one hex
20100211 21:54:08< sevis> (perhaps
20100211 21:54:09< sevis> )
20100211 21:54:12< sevis> But it is not so, as you say.
20100211 21:54:15< Smar> but lava is always illuminated
20100211 21:54:25< Smar> so you can’t change it
20100211 21:54:33< sevis> Eh, never mind.
20100211 21:54:36< Smar> it’s different with lava, but emm ... 
20100211 21:54:54< Smar> erm, eg. with cave
20100211 21:55:17< Smar> anyway, you should not understand what I’m talking about... so who cares
20100211 21:55:50< sevis> I do understand what you're talking about - you just misunderstood me the first time, but still answered my question :P
20100211 21:58:00< Smar> ee...
20100211 21:58:04< Smar> well, who cares. :P
20100211 21:58:23< Smar> bleh, compiling of wesnoth took over a minut
20100211 21:58:29< Smar> *adds -j8*
20100211 21:58:40< sevis> xD
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20100211 21:58:54< sevis> My SDL seems broken, I think I'll need to rebuild it...
20100211 21:59:00< Smar> (ok, I have old build data there too, so it should’ve been much faster, but quirks of make, that it’s doing full rebuild)
20100211 21:59:03< sevis> "reconcillio" should do it, I think.
20100211 21:59:08< Smar> yeah, it does it
20100211 21:59:34< Smar> revdep-rebuild had/has some kind of support too, but there’s no good in using it instead reconcilio
20100211 21:59:38< Smar> ok, done.
20100211 22:00:42< sevis> Currently fumbling with the doc use flag.
20100211 22:03:10< Smar> ok... now whattodo with this wesnoth...
20100211 22:03:18< Smar> can’t log to multiplayer server :P
20100211 22:05:06< Smar> ok. my friend just said wesnoth to be a really boring game :D
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20100211 22:29:20< evanton> Smar: perhaps he played too much
20100211 22:29:35< evanton> every game becomes boring after playing too much :)
20100211 22:29:37< sevis> Smar, which version of alsa-lib have you got, if you don't mind checking?
20100211 22:29:44< Smar> evanton: not really :P
20100211 22:30:06< Smar> Your paste can be seen here: http://dpaste.com/157630/
20100211 22:30:40< sevis> Aha, thanks. Weird, wonder why it's keyworded for you, but not for me O_o
20100211 22:32:11< Smar> either my gentoo-86 copy is enough older or it’s not keyworded on x86
20100211 22:33:45< sevis> Ah, are you on x64_86, or...?
20100211 22:33:49< Smar> yup.
20100211 22:40:39< sevis> Okay
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