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20100214 00:08:07< cperciva> I'm running wesnoth 1.7.8-beta1 and it keeps on creating corrupt save files
20100214 00:08:21< cperciva> i.e., when I try to load them it says "The file you have tried to load is corrupt"
20100214 00:08:31< Ivanovic> try upgrading to the latest beta and check if saving and loading works there
20100214 00:08:34< cperciva> however, if I gunzip the saves, they load fine
20100214 00:09:51< cperciva> oh, someone just updated the FreeBSD port to 1.7.10, brb
20100214 00:10:16< Ivanovic> better directly ask them for 1.7.13
20100214 00:11:36< cperciva> Ivanovic: gah, then I need to handle the packaging goop manually :-(
20100214 00:12:08< Ivanovic> the matter is that lots of stuff was already fixed since 1.7.10
20100214 00:12:28< Ivanovic> no idea how much does affect you, but at least *lots* of stuff was fixed since then
20100214 00:12:28< cperciva> anyway, I really just came in to ask if anyone had seen this breakage before, since "broken saves" was mentioned in earlier changelogs but not recently
20100214 00:12:31< cperciva> ok
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20100214 10:58:08< Ivanovic> moin
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20100214 14:34:54< kallepersson> Does anyone know where the redone Drakes forum post is?
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20100214 14:45:16< zookeeper> kallepersson, looks like http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=26021
20100214 14:45:55< kallepersson> zookeeper:  many thanks!
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20100214 15:34:41< Soliton> Zarel: do you know any (RTS) game that uses a server side world state? well, apart from mmorpg or similar game types where it is inherent in the game design.
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20100214 15:35:40< nyson> hello
20100214 15:35:51< Zarel> Soliton: Well, every RTS game uses a server side world state. ;)
20100214 15:36:51< Zarel> The question is, are there any RTS games where the server withholds world state information from clients based on in-game visibility rules?
20100214 15:37:03< Zarel> Which is rare, because you do run into sync issues.
20100214 15:37:32< Zarel> I can't think of any specific example, but I'm sure they exist. They're just not nearly as common as SlowThinker thinks they are. ;)
20100214 15:37:33< Soliton> you can run into sync issues either way.
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20100214 15:38:00< Zarel> True, but it's easier when clients have complete information.
20100214 15:38:13< Zarel> Since you can just push deltas out to everyone.
20100214 15:38:23< thespaceinvader> since it's under discussion: does slowthinker actually have any solid points to make? I'm struggling to understand what the devil he's on about, but it seems a little incoherent
20100214 15:38:43< thespaceinvader> i'm wondering whether the thread needs locking before anyone starts flaming
20100214 15:38:48< Soliton> it's incoherent and has little bearing on general or wesnoth related reality IMO.
20100214 15:38:55< Zarel> And not have to push different deltas to each individual client, and then store knowledge information about each individual client from which to push deltas from...
20100214 15:39:01< Zarel> You see the issue?
20100214 15:39:33< Soliton> sure.
20100214 15:40:36< Soliton> funny are statements like: "I don't think that the change would be worth the effort. I rather ask what are the reasons Wesnoth wasn't made that way from scratch."
20100214 15:40:55< Soliton> so it's not worth the effort but he wonders why it wasn't done that way...
20100214 15:41:26< thespaceinvader> i'll bear than in mind Soliton, in case the thread gets heated.  Thanks
20100214 15:45:19< Zarel> thespaceinvader: You don't think my last post was too harsh, was it?
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20100214 15:45:53< Zarel> I'm always afraid I say "I'm a Warzone 2100 developer" too much, but it somehow ends up being relevant more often than I expect it to.
20100214 15:46:10< thespaceinvader> in slowthinker's thread? no
20100214 15:46:48< Soliton> i'd have rather asked what examples he got since i'm not even sure what he is exactly on about in his post.
20100214 15:49:03< Soliton> he seems to just go by deductive reasoning based on incomplete information, so i'm not sure there are any.
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20100214 17:46:51< Zarel> thespaceinvader: Hrm, where does the "tracts of land" reference come from?
20100214 17:47:14< thespaceinvader> good question
20100214 17:47:21< thespaceinvader> towhich i don;t know the answer
20100214 17:47:43< thespaceinvader> ah wait, google knows - it;s a monty python and the holy grail one
20100214 17:53:12< Zarel> Heh, I guessed that.
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20100214 18:48:08< rocket16> Hello all,
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20100214 18:49:33< rocket16> Which is the strongest faction? Undead?
20100214 18:49:48< rocket16> Sky: Hello der friedn Sky, how are you?
20100214 18:50:04< rocket16> Sky: Sorry, * Dear, not der
20100214 18:50:17< Jequ> they are all pretty balanced...
20100214 18:50:23< [sky]> Hello rocket16 :) I'm fine, how are you?
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20100214 18:50:41< rocket16> Sky: I am well too, 
20100214 18:51:03< rocket16> Sky: :) So, have you tried my VB Tic TAc Toe game?
20100214 18:51:36< [sky]> I haven't had a chance to try it, sorry.
20100214 18:52:21< rocket16> Sky: Doesn't matter. So, any other things will the A.I? (I mean, is it working well?)
20100214 18:52:57< [sky]> Yeah, it works, it's pretty cool.
20100214 18:53:14< rocket16> Jequ: Thanks. By the way, which according to you, is the strongest unit? To me, it is the Ancient Lich
20100214 18:53:24< rocket16> Sky: Thanks for the remark, :)
20100214 18:53:34< Jequ> Fire Dragon
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20100214 18:54:02< rocket16> Jequ: Oh, great!
20100214 18:54:36< rocket16> So, I was just playing with Elves and Humans, but got defeated at the hands of Undead
20100214 18:55:02< rocket16> Undead are reeally powerfull, specially the Ghosts at the beginning
20100214 18:55:25< rocket16> Any advice to counter Ghosts? (They drain HP, and are very dangerous)
20100214 18:55:56< Sacho> what faction are you playing?
20100214 18:56:24< Sacho> is it multiplayer or single player?
20100214 18:56:46< rocket16> I am playing Single player, and with Computer
20100214 18:57:04< rocket16> I am playing Elves and sometimes Humans
20100214 18:57:41< rocket16> Sacho, so how can I counter Ghosts with Elves? Any special unit?
20100214 18:57:44< Sacho> oh, but it's not a campaign?
20100214 18:57:49< Sacho> sure, mages destroy ghosts.
20100214 18:57:59< Sacho> archers do well too
20100214 18:58:24< rocket16> Thanks Sacho, but Skeletons Archers and DArk Mages are coming quickly, and killing my archers and mages
20100214 18:58:45< rocket16> And the way Ghosts drain Energy, I begin to tremble,
20100214 18:58:52< Smar> eat them.
20100214 18:59:02< [sky]> they should taste great.
20100214 18:59:03< Sacho> if you have a replay, it'd be easier to give tips
20100214 18:59:08< Smar> they do.
20100214 18:59:15< Sacho> unit vs unit is pretty basic.
20100214 18:59:42< [sky]> Talking about food, brb, dinner.
20100214 18:59:48< sevis> rocket16, hi, how much gold + gold/turn are you playing with?
20100214 18:59:49< rocket16> Sure, I will post the replay as soon as possible, but unfortunate I don't have right now (I don't record games, since they fill up HArd Disk)
20100214 19:00:17< Sacho> Beating undead is all about not dying during nights :P
20100214 19:00:21< Sacho> Especially with loyalists.
20100214 19:00:23< rocket16> Sevis, I am playing with 100 Gold, at the beginning, and with unlimited turns
20100214 19:01:07< rocket16> Sacho, thanks. Ghosts fly very quickly, and after they get converted to Wraiths and Spertres, they become so powerful
20100214 19:01:21< Sacho> You shouldn't really be letting them level up
20100214 19:01:26< Sacho> it's hard to level up a ghost, in reality.
20100214 19:01:34< Sacho> What exp modifier do you play with?
20100214 19:01:35< rocket16> Sacho, thanks I will try
20100214 19:01:42< Sacho> if it's really low, the game can get very luck-prone.
20100214 19:01:45< sevis> rocket16, what is the XP %?
20100214 19:01:55< rocket16> Sacho, the default one
20100214 19:02:03< Sacho> 70%?
20100214 19:02:07< rocket16> Sevis: The default, set at the beginning
20100214 19:02:17< rocket16> Sacho: Yes, nearly
20100214 19:02:18< Sacho> Hell, even horsemen can kill ghosts during the day
20100214 19:02:22< Sacho> lucky charge oneshot.
20100214 19:02:40< rocket16> Sacho, but they drain and are like Vampires!
20100214 19:02:52< Sacho> Okay?
20100214 19:03:02< Sacho> Draining doesn't make them invincible.
20100214 19:03:06< rocket16> I feel afraid of them, in the game. Last time they killed my 5 Elven Heroes
20100214 19:03:10< sevis> Two mages should easily get past any undead except adepts on the offensive...
20100214 19:03:31< rocket16> Yes, adepts are very dangerous too!
20100214 19:03:35< sevis> ("on the offensive" referring to the mages)
20100214 19:03:43< Sacho> yes, undead units are dangerous, just like your units are. :p
20100214 19:03:55< Sacho> elven archers aren't very good vs undead.
20100214 19:04:02< rocket16> And those Soullesses converting my men, Oh God!
20100214 19:04:18< Sacho> ...I'm starting to think we're not discussing strategy, but emotion
20100214 19:04:20< rocket16> Sacho, thanks. So, which faction should I play with?
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20100214 19:04:38< Sacho> Whichever faction you prefer. They're pretty well balanced.
20100214 19:05:00< rocket16> Sacho, still, is there any faction that is specially effective against undead?
20100214 19:05:15< Sacho> not really
20100214 19:05:24< rocket16> Sacho, Thanks
20100214 19:05:33< Sacho> that's why it's balanced.
20100214 19:05:44< rocket16> Sacho: I am thinking of starting playing Undead, :)
20100214 19:05:51< Sacho> go ahead
20100214 19:06:04< rocket16> And my undead forces will crush elves
20100214 19:06:28< rocket16> SAcho: Thanks for your advice, most appreciated ::)
20100214 19:06:31< sevis> Well, if you don't like fighting ghosts, don't go for dwarves.
20100214 19:06:37< Sacho> You'll find out adepts die ridiculously easy to elvish fighters, and most of your force can be destroyed by woses and mages
20100214 19:07:09< rocket16> Yes, but my ghosts can run equally on all terrains
20100214 19:07:22< Sacho> yes, and I can pick my nose
20100214 19:07:32< Soliton> equally on all terrain?
20100214 19:07:38< rocket16> Sacho, ha ha, good joke.
20100214 19:07:44< rocket16> Soliton: Yes, why not?
20100214 19:07:54< Soliton> not sure, just wondering.
20100214 19:08:13< Sacho> ghosts are pretty expensive, and very low damage
20100214 19:08:14< Soliton> if it's really cold in the mountains it might be more difficult.
20100214 19:08:15< rocket16> Soliton: Actually, they just fly, like Elvish Shydes
20100214 19:08:30< Soliton> not really.
20100214 19:08:46< Soliton> elvish shydes don't truely fly.
20100214 19:08:52< rocket16> Sacho: But they can suck energy, and have wail attacks
20100214 19:09:04< rocket16> Soliton: Oh, sorry
20100214 19:09:17< Soliton> elvish shydes can pick their noses on the other hand.
20100214 19:09:20< Sacho> yes, and mages can throw fireballs and hit you with their staff
20100214 19:09:27< Sacho> Listing their abilities does not make them stronger
20100214 19:09:55< rocket16> But Mages can not run that long, and can not drain HP
20100214 19:10:03 * Sacho sighs
20100214 19:10:20< rocket16> Sacho: Your advice is very nice, I am going for Undead!
20100214 19:10:31< rocket16> Three cheers for the Undead!
20100214 19:10:34< rocket16> :)
20100214 19:10:36< sevis> rocket16, are you on 1.6.5 or on 1.7.13?
20100214 19:10:45< rocket16> I am on 1.7.5
20100214 19:10:56< sevis> Is that compatible with 1.7.13, anyone know?
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20100214 19:11:02< Soliton> no.
20100214 19:11:23< sevis> Hm. Well, I'm not going to install an old unstable build, sorry.
20100214 19:11:40< rocket16> No, because they deny me access to Wesnoth gaming site, telling that a later version is used
20100214 19:12:11< sevis> Well, yes, a later version *is* used. 1.7.5 is pretty old, as far as I  know.
20100214 19:12:55< rocket16> Speaking of that, I would like to play Online, so will I have to download that again (newer version)? Or is there an upgrade?
20100214 19:12:56< Soliton> you can join the alternate servers.
20100214 19:13:11< rocket16> Alternate Servers? Oh, well, I will do that
20100214 19:13:14< Soliton> but you won't find opponents with that version.
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20100214 19:13:31< rocket16> Oh, really sorry to know that
20100214 19:13:49< sevis> I suggest you just download 1.6.5 or 1.7.13.
20100214 19:14:09< [sky]> I'm back.
20100214 19:14:09< rocket16> So, isn't there any small update that can upgrade my Wesnoth to 1.7.13.
20100214 19:14:19< Soliton> no.
20100214 19:14:32< rocket16> Oh, really sorry again, :(
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20100214 19:15:52< Soliton> if you have trouble with wesnoth's download size you should just get stable releases.
20100214 19:16:20< rocket16> So, which one is better?  1.6.5 or 1.7.13.?
20100214 19:16:37< Soliton> 1.6.5 is a stable release.
20100214 19:17:32< rocket16> So, should I download that?
20100214 19:19:05< rocket16> I think that will be better, because I can just issue the command "sudo apt-get install wesnoth" to my Linux System for that
20100214 19:19:28< rocket16> Thanks Soliton,
20100214 19:20:49< rocket16> I am just a novice of Wesnoth, and since you all are expert players, which faction do you use?
20100214 19:21:07< rocket16> (I want to master Wesnoth soon) :)
20100214 19:21:21< [sky]> I'm just a novice, too...
20100214 19:21:47< rocket16> Sky: Thanks, so which faction do you use in SP GAmes?
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20100214 19:23:14< rocket16> Sky: And, I am an advanced player of Age of Mythology Titans Pack, and am really novice in Wesnoth (exp = 1 month)
20100214 19:23:54< [sky]> I usually prefer playing Knalgan Alliance, though I know they're pretty weak.
20100214 19:23:58< [sky]> Most of the units, anyway.
20100214 19:25:02< rocket16> Sky: Thanks, still your Berserks are nice,
20100214 19:25:19< rocket16> Sky: My elves are good-for-nothing, going to play Undead, :)
20100214 19:25:37< [sky]> Yes they are nice but weak against most units.
20100214 19:26:11< rocket16> Sky: Yes, so whats your idea of using Undead? Is it a nice one?
20100214 19:26:46< [sky]> I don't really play undead that much, so I don't know...
20100214 19:28:33< rocket16> Sky: Still, thanks for your concern, :)
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20100214 19:29:52< rocket16> Which is the strongest unit? I think Ancient Lich is the powerful one
20100214 19:30:28< [sky]> Depends on what you're fighting.
20100214 19:31:05< rocket16> Sky, yes. But still see, Ancient Lich is quite strong, against non-undeads
20100214 19:31:43< sevis> Strongest doesn't matter, no one unit can win the game.
20100214 19:31:49< rocket16> Ancient Lich has Shadow Wave against Undead, Chill waves against mortals, and touch to drain energy
20100214 19:32:08< rocket16> Sevis, yes,but they can atleast contribute
20100214 19:32:26< rocket16> Ancient lich is more than that of a simple 0 Level peasent
20100214 19:32:54< sevis> Any unit can contribute. And peasants are awesome.
20100214 19:33:27< rocket16> Peasants? Really?
20100214 19:33:50< rocket16> I don't understad how they can contribute by and large
20100214 19:34:59< rocket16> Ha ha, checkout http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01USG9xpnhE&feature=related Really one of the world's funniest videos
20100214 19:35:23< sevis> WEll, no, that's a lie.
20100214 19:35:23< sevis> But goblins are great.
20100214 19:35:23< sevis> There's a campaign where in the first mission, you only have two mages, some peasants and some peasant archers. It's really fun to be limited that much.
20100214 19:36:03< sevis> And indeed, peasants don't really fill a niche, that's why I corrected it to be goblins.
20100214 19:36:55< rocket16> Thanks sevis
20100214 19:39:18< rocket16> Bye Sky, sevis, Sacho, Soliton and others
20100214 19:39:34< sevis> Goodbye.
20100214 19:39:47< rocket16> Bye sevis, and thanks for your tips
20100214 19:39:52< [sky]> Bye
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20100214 20:26:08< SekoIdiootti> :(
20100214 20:26:10< SekoIdiootti> oops
20100214 20:26:14< SekoIdiootti> wrong channel, sorry, lol
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20100214 20:46:44< rocket16> Hello all!
20100214 20:47:53< sevis> Hello, hello
20100214 20:48:29< rocket16> Sevis, defeated the Elves with Undead this time! In the very, very first attempt
20100214 20:48:39< rocket16> I am the new Dark Lord!
20100214 20:48:53< rocket16> And saved the Replay too!
20100214 20:49:10< sevis> Nice, nice.
20100214 20:49:40< rocket16> Thanks, and thanks again, for your nice advice earlier,
20100214 20:49:54< rocket16> Undeads are truely powerful.
20100214 20:51:12< rocket16> Used the Ghosts this time, and converted the Elves to Undead using Necromencer and Soulless, next used Upgraded Wraiths and Ghosts to use Wail on Woose, and everything went quite nicely
20100214 20:52:41< sevis> Anyone know if manually compiling and installing Wesnoth 1.6.5 into /usr/local is safe, if 1.7.13 is already installed with paludis?
20100214 20:52:56< sevis> The ~/.wesnoth probably needs to be split/moved... How would I do that?
20100214 20:54:36< rocket16> I earlier had 1.6.1 installed via aptitude, and then compiled 1.7.5 from the Source
20100214 20:54:45< rocket16> No problem in that,
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20100214 20:56:21< Blarumyrran> rocket16, doesn'twwail do roughly as much damage as woses regenerate?
20100214 20:56:29< Blarumyrran> doesn't wail*
20100214 20:57:18< rocket16> Blarumyrran: Yes, but Woose doesn't have ranged counter, so one-way damage is made.
20100214 20:57:32< Blarumyrran> It would still take forever
20100214 20:57:45< rocket16> And, using several Ghosts, like 6 at a time.
20100214 20:57:55< Blarumyrran> Ghosts cost as much as woses though
20100214 20:58:17< rocket16> Yes, but Ghosts can drain energy, and upgrade quickly,
20100214 20:58:26< sevis> "upgrade quickly"? O.o
20100214 20:58:43< rocket16> Sevis: Yes, because they have lesser Exp needed
20100214 20:58:51< rocket16> And Wraiths are very well,
20100214 20:59:02< sevis> I certainly don't remember it that way... But could be.
20100214 20:59:13< rocket16> Just tried, :)
20100214 20:59:57< Blarumyrran> rocket16, if you can't kill woses then you'd need at least 15 turns to level a ghost to get the experience from just combat
20100214 21:00:00< sevis> Anyway, if there's any dev online - would having the same folder for both 1.6.5 and 1.7.13 configuration work?
20100214 21:00:06< Blarumyrran> (1 xp from attack, 1 from counterattack)
20100214 21:00:58< rocket16> Blarumyrran: Not if you continually change their attack-targets and cause them to feed on lesser units like Druids,
20100214 21:02:24< rocket16> Sacho: Earlier you said, you can "pick your nose". So, are you a unit in Wesnoth too, and is picking nose your special attack? If so, I would like to select you, for your picking nose attack can level even Ancient Liches and Dragons (in Dreams) :)
20100214 21:03:15< Blarumyrran> rocket16, I'm just saying attacking woses with ghosts is a bit silly
20100214 21:03:31< Sacho> ghosts require 30 exp to level
20100214 21:03:39< Sacho> also, 6 ghosts vs 1 wose, how is that a fair comparison?
20100214 21:03:50< Blarumyrran> Sacho, hence my "15 turns"
20100214 21:04:04< Sacho> yeah
20100214 21:04:11< Desciero> wow, there's a lot of activity on these channels in recent days
20100214 21:04:15< rocket16> Blarumyrran: Not with Ghosts only, but with others as well, like Adepts,
20100214 21:04:36< rocket16> Desciero: Ahhh, yes it seems to be.
20100214 21:04:50< Desciero> I usually login to see a blank chat.
20100214 21:05:15< rocket16> So, Sacho's special attack  = Picking Nose (100-200)
20100214 21:05:22< rocket16> :)
20100214 21:05:33< [sky]> XD
20100214 21:06:09< rocket16> And Picking nose can go on for infinite times, unless the opponent is killed! :)
20100214 21:06:27< [sky]> Ah, an Nosepicker ulfseker?
20100214 21:07:21< rocket16> Yes, sky. But an Ulfseker has to stop for a while, to give attack scope to opponent but I don't think Sacho needs to stop. So, Sacho is the most powerful unit in the game.
20100214 21:07:44< rocket16> :)
20100214 21:07:50< [sky]> Yeah, with 100-200 damage, you won't need many turns.
20100214 21:07:56< rocket16> Yes!
20100214 21:08:31< rocket16> Sacho is probably Level 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000!
20100214 21:08:41< rocket16> Or, level infinite! (level 1/0)
20100214 21:09:29< rocket16> >:->
20100214 21:09:34< [sky]> lol
20100214 21:09:37< [sky]> Anyway, have to go.
20100214 21:09:46< [sky]> bye everyone
20100214 21:09:51< rocket16> +-<:-) Bye Sky, see you again, later.
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20100214 21:11:43< rocket16> So, Euthanatos, what is your special attack? Probably, "Slackware Slam", which can smash All units, since none use Slackware.
20100214 21:12:09< rocket16> And as for Smar, probably "Gentoo kick"
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20100214 21:16:07< rocket16> So, sevis, are you from Netherlands too?
20100214 21:16:15< sevis> Not from, but I live here, yes.
20100214 21:16:28< rocket16> Very well,  like the country
20100214 21:16:33< sevis> By the way, rocket16, I'll have Wesnoth 1.6.5 tomorrow, and I"ll gladly play elves against you.
20100214 21:17:12< rocket16> Sevis, very well! I will wait for the challenge. But I need to download that too (for I don't have that)
20100214 21:18:49< sevis> I don't know if Ubuntu has 1.7.13 in it's repositories, but if it does, it would probably be easier for you to get that.
20100214 21:19:00< sevis> (than for me to manually build 1.6.5)
20100214 21:19:04< sevis> Or, faster, anyway.
20100214 21:19:33< rocket16> Sevis: MAy I know the average speed of Internet in your area? And, I have 1.6.5 version in my repository, so using that with "sudo apt-get install)
20100214 21:20:11< sevis> As far as I know, it's around 8 Mbit per second.
20100214 21:21:07< rocket16> Sevis: Really??? I mean, download speed? And, does this mean that you can download entire Wesnoth in 240/8 = 30 seconds?
20100214 21:21:49< sevis> Mbit, not Mbyte.
20100214 21:21:51< rocket16> Sevis: We have here only 100 KBPS (wireless Broadband)
20100214 21:22:18< rocket16> Oops, sorry. Mbit, I see. Still, quite fast.
20100214 21:22:49< sevis> But that's the total speed, it rarely goes above 400 kbyte/second on actual downloads.
20100214 21:23:15< rocket16> Yes, still better. Ours is just around 100 KBPS. India is a bad area, really.
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20100214 21:23:39< rocket16> I wish to go to Americas when I grow up. That is a Deam land for us.
20100214 21:23:44< rocket16> * Dream
20100214 21:24:38< un214> [teleport] field standing by
20100214 21:24:39< rocket16> USA is really nice. And it is the best in the entire world.
20100214 21:25:04< rocket16> If there be an Eden of bliss on EArth, it is USA, it is USA and none but USA!
20100214 21:25:27< un214> Eden was near where Kuait is now (probably under the water)
20100214 21:25:52< rocket16> un214: Ha ha, nice saying. But, here Eden = Heaven
20100214 21:25:56< sevis> In the Netherlands, you'll get heaven on earth legally.
20100214 21:26:11< fendrin> sevis: :-)
20100214 21:26:15< rocket16> Sevis: Yeah, Netherlands is a beautiful place
20100214 21:26:42< rocket16> My friend went to Netherlands, and took several Photos. They are very nice,
20100214 21:26:46< sevis> Eh, wouldn't say so. Nothing spectacular, not in the normal state of mind.
20100214 21:26:54< un214> when heaven comes to earth it will be at or above Jerusalem (depending on how you read it)
20100214 21:27:12< rocket16> Still Netherlands > India
20100214 21:27:41< rocket16> India is the worst place, excluding China and Pakistan and Bangladesh
20100214 21:28:10< un214> If I send you to to Zaire (or is it called Congo again) you'll change your opinion.
20100214 21:28:35< rocket16> Zaire? Kinshasha is a beautiful place,
20100214 21:29:04< un214> If you're rich. Their atrocities stink to heaven.
20100214 21:29:30< rocket16> So, un214, are you from ZAire?
20100214 21:29:36< un214> no
20100214 21:29:49< un214> I read the news.
20100214 21:30:03< rocket16> Oh, but Zaire has "Justice - Paix - Travail" as motto!
20100214 21:30:21< rocket16> That is very nice, but in India, the motto is "Mney, power and corruption"
20100214 21:30:30< rocket16> * Money
20100214 21:30:30< un214> "Democratic Republic of China" like anybody believes that.
20100214 21:30:46< sevis> Yep, "justice" is a great way of defining goals.
20100214 21:30:51< sevis>  /sarcasm
20100214 21:31:06< rocket16> But in India, our P.M is a robot!
20100214 21:31:16< un214> sevis: I'm strangely glad I don't have to excplain that one.
20100214 21:31:28< VurtualRuler98> What about a governmental system where there's a monarch who does some sort of ambassador position, and elected people do all the important work?
20100214 21:31:29< Blarumyrran> rocket16, then you are more technologically advanced than the rest of us
20100214 21:31:39< Blarumyrran> I think cyborg politicians would be awesome.
20100214 21:31:51< VurtualRuler98> The imperial guys get to have their power and cultural influence(They MIGHT pull a palpatine though), and we get democracy
20100214 21:32:14< un214> A computer is an excellent servent but a most unpleasent master.
20100214 21:32:19< sevis> VurtualRuler98: Quite soon, he would either be a puppet of those he chose, or they would all be selected based on loyalty, not skills.
20100214 21:32:52< rocket16> Ha ha , Blarumyrran, he is a bio-robot, not that type of robot. He will not act, unless the Congress leader Sonia Gandhi tells him to act. He will dance, when asked to dance, will kill, when asked to kill, and will probably commit suicide on being ordered by National Congress
20100214 21:33:01< VurtualRuler98> Then china wants a grand army of the republic.
20100214 21:33:09< VurtualRuler98> And it just goes downhill from there.
20100214 21:33:13< rocket16> And in India, Congress is only a Political PArty
20100214 21:33:34< rocket16> China's Premiere Hu Jintao is an Anicent Lich
20100214 21:33:43< noy> well the Democratic Republic of Congo is a lot better than it was
20100214 21:33:58< sevis> VurtualRuler98: Besides, I'd say the most important part of a political system is how well it endures a change of ruler.
20100214 21:34:02< un214> And some guy in a black robe shows up in Bombay offering to sell the army a few vials of smallpox.
20100214 21:34:04< rocket16> I agree Noy. Congo is a nice place
20100214 21:34:19< un214> Seems I'm behind the times.
20100214 21:34:41< noy> sevis: thats definitely true for monarchies; succession is one of the critical indicators for long term stability. 
20100214 21:35:00< rocket16> Barack Obama is the Mage of Light, while Hu Jintao is Lich, and Putin is a soulless,
20100214 21:35:17< Blarumyrran> Putin always reminds me of a vampire
20100214 21:35:18< rocket16> Omama = Saviour!
20100214 21:35:28< rocket16> Ha ha
20100214 21:35:49< sevis> noy: I meant more in the sense of any system we consider needing to be tested for that. Monarchy can fare reasonably well, although if I understand correctly, adoption is almost necessary for it to work in the longer term.
20100214 21:35:58< VurtualRuler98> Obama is a pikeman.
20100214 21:36:04< rocket16> Putin = Count Dracula, with no feelings. Barack Obama = Professor VAn Helsing
20100214 21:36:08< VurtualRuler98> no, javelineer
20100214 21:36:10< VurtualRuler98> Genuinely useful and nobody cares about them.
20100214 21:36:24< rocket16> Obama? In Age of Empires you say?
20100214 21:36:29< VurtualRuler98> And if you try to make them important, people claim he's not a spearman unit or just be pikeman-powerists.
20100214 21:36:50< rocket16> Obama = Elite-Teutonic Night in AoK
20100214 21:37:09< un214> I believe that the skills required to be monarch are almost all trainable (although one might need a sound way to disinherit a failed son).
20100214 21:37:41< sevis> I believe any skills are trainable - that's what distinguishes them from talents.
20100214 21:37:53< rocket16> Putin = Scout, Jintao = Militia, and Obama = Elite-Teutonic Knight,
20100214 21:37:55< noy> sevis: thats not true; look at the gulf monarchies which all have huge families
20100214 21:38:20< sevis> noy: True, that's the other way of making sure at least one successor is competent.
20100214 21:38:38< rocket16> Anybody heard the name of Mahatma (M.K) GAndhi, the freedom fighter of India?
20100214 21:39:04< un214> I saw his name on a bag of rice.
20100214 21:39:11< VurtualRuler98> Yes.
20100214 21:39:15< VurtualRuler98> Everyone knows who ghandi is.
20100214 21:39:21< VurtualRuler98> That backstabbing warlord in CIV IV
20100214 21:39:44< rocket16> Well, he was killed by Nathuram Godsey, who was a hitman of our previous P.M
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20100214 21:40:41< rocket16> Did you check out the smakdown match between Hitler and Jesus? It is really funny! If anybody is interested, I would like to present a link to the site.
20100214 21:41:32< un214> Unfortunately for you Hitler was smacked down for genocide.
20100214 21:41:32< rocket16> un214: On a bag of rice? Of which country?
20100214 21:41:35< VurtualRuler98> No, noone is interested.
20100214 21:41:39< un214> USA.
20100214 21:41:44< VurtualRuler98> You want to go home and rethink your life.
20100214 21:41:48< rocket16> Ok, your choice
20100214 21:42:06< rocket16> un214: USA, really? They really print his name of bags of rice?
20100214 21:42:21< rocket16> * on bags of rice
20100214 21:42:27< un214> yes.
20100214 21:42:29< VurtualRuler98> probably a brand
20100214 21:42:41< un214> VirtualRuler98: yes.
20100214 21:42:49< rocket16> I am really impressed,
20100214 21:43:10< rocket16> un214: I thind the brand is from India
20100214 21:43:29< rocket16> Rabindranath Tagore?
20100214 21:43:37< un214> would surprise me as they say that California grows more rice than India.
20100214 21:43:52< sevis> :O Devs! You made 1.6.5 autodetect if 1.7.13 is already installed, and move ~/.wesnoth to ~/.wesnoth1.6 if that's the case o.o
20100214 21:43:56< sevis> *worship*
20100214 21:44:05< rocket16> un214: CAlifornia alone? MAy be. India is really poor
20100214 21:44:38< rocket16> May the Ancient Lich be with you, VurtualRuler98, :)
20100214 21:45:07< sevis> rocket16, I've got 1.6.5 working - would you like a game of elf vs undead?
20100214 21:45:31< Sacho> I would
20100214 21:45:38< rocket16> Sevis: Just 5 minutes, friend, nearly finished downloading, 
20100214 21:45:45< sevis> Ah, okay.
20100214 21:45:51< Sacho> eastern invasion seems boring as hell
20100214 21:45:56< un214> I'm the one who says that should the unthinkable thing happen and a lich be turned, you have gained an ally that cannot be destroyed.
20100214 21:46:04< Sacho> and I can't be bothered to dodge the ban on kard today ;i
20100214 21:46:27< rocket16> Sacho: I agree, the best is Under the Burning Suns, and Sceptre of Fire
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20100214 21:47:52< rocket16> Sevis: Thanks for the invitation, just a few more minutes, :)
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20100214 21:50:24< rocket16> So, sevis, are you an elf-factior player?
20100214 21:50:30< rocket16> * faction
20100214 21:50:36< sevis> Not really.
20100214 21:50:49< rocket16> Oh, so what's your favorite faction?
20100214 21:50:51< sevis> I play whatever I happen to feel like.
20100214 21:51:13< sevis> Northerners are fun, had a nice match with them vs drakes against sky earlier on.
20100214 21:51:26< rocket16> Grand, then I think you are an expert player. I wish to be, someday.......
20100214 21:51:37< sevis> Expert? No, not at all.
20100214 21:52:00< rocket16> Still, mastering Eves is hard
20100214 21:52:06< rocket16> * Elves,
20100214 21:52:21< Sacho> gruntswarm, rawr
20100214 21:53:01< sevis> I usually play without FOW, though, this'll be fun to try.
20100214 21:53:23< sevis> Sacho, gruntswarm wouldn't work vs drakes :P
20100214 21:53:32< rocket16> Our Lich, thou art in Wesnoth, HAllowed be thy game, thy Power rocks, and style shocks, and HAllowed be thy game
20100214 21:53:34< sevis> goblinzerg with archer support.
20100214 21:53:47< Sacho> well, obviously
20100214 21:53:50< rocket16> Sevis: I am impressed,
20100214 21:53:52< Sacho> goblin zerg is evil, though
20100214 21:54:18< rocket16> Sacho: Even more powerful than your attack, SAcho? :)
20100214 21:55:19< rocket16> May the Delfador be with you, SAcho,
20100214 21:55:52< sevis> rocket16, how does hamlets sound?
20100214 21:56:28< rocket16> Hamlets, from the Shakespierre's Novel?
20100214 21:56:42< sevis> No, 2p - Hamlets from the default map set.
20100214 21:56:55< rocket16> Sorry, no idea.
20100214 21:57:05< sevis> Hamlets it is, then.
20100214 21:57:21< sevis> It's well-balanced, as far as I know.
20100214 21:57:22< rocket16> Oh, would like to have a try,
20100214 21:57:45< rocket16> So, sevis, who is your favourite hero in Wesnoth?
20100214 21:57:48< sevis> Sacho, would you care to observe?
20100214 21:57:53< sevis> I don't have a favourite hero.
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20100214 21:58:08< rocket16> Mine is Kalenz,
20100214 21:58:36< sevis> rocket16, I've created, join in as soon as you wish.
20100214 21:59:01< rocket16> Sevis: Thanks, so is the name "sevis" there too?
20100214 21:59:07< sevis> Yes.
20100214 21:59:10< sevis> sevis's game
20100214 21:59:36< rocket16> Well, thanks. Just a few more minutes, and I am coming with my Undead army, behold!
20100214 21:59:42< rocket16> :)
20100214 22:01:01< rocket16> VurtualRuler98!
20100214 22:01:05< sevis> "A few minutes" is always reassuring.
20100214 22:01:50< rocket16> Sevis: Sorry, if I delay your game. Actually, the speed here is ver, very less.
20100214 22:01:55< rocket16> * very
20100214 22:02:28< un214> I'll play someone on 1.7.9+
20100214 22:03:23< sevis> It's no problem. How much of the download is done, so that I know if I should start a different game or not?
20100214 22:03:57< rocket16> Sevis: It is showing 144 KBPS, and 2 minutes remaining...
20100214 22:04:09< rocket16> 94%
20100214 22:05:13< rocket16> 1 Min 30 seconds remaining, at 136 KBPS Speed
20100214 22:05:29< rocket16> 96%
20100214 22:05:59< rocket16> 97%
20100214 22:06:38< rocket16> 98%
20100214 22:07:05< rocket16> 99% just done! :)
20100214 22:07:39< rocket16> Ah, 30 seconds more, and maximum 1 minute installing
20100214 22:07:52< rocket16> 100%, downloaded!
20100214 22:08:01< rocket16> Installing
20100214 22:09:14< rocket16> Installed! Just coming!
20100214 22:09:41< sevis> What is your in-game name
20100214 22:09:47< sevis> ?
20100214 22:10:00< rocket16> Anirban
20100214 22:11:01< rocket16> My God, still showing 1.7.5! 
20100214 22:11:31< rocket16> Even after installing! Sorry Sevis, seems like I can not connect to server! Very very Sorry,
20100214 22:11:36< sevis> Yes, you can.
20100214 22:11:44< sevis> What does `which wesnoth` output?
20100214 22:12:46< rocket16> /usr/local/bin/wesnoth
20100214 22:13:02< sevis> run:
20100214 22:13:13< sevis> sudo mv /usr/local/bin/wesnoth /usr/local/bin/wesnoth-1.7.5
20100214 22:13:35< sevis> Then run `/usr/bin/wesnoth`
20100214 22:14:02< rocket16> Showing "no file or directory"
20100214 22:14:14< sevis> Weird. Try /usr/games/bin/wesnoth
20100214 22:14:29< sevis> (I still don't quite understand why games are put somewhere separate, but meh)
20100214 22:14:47< rocket16> The command worked!
20100214 22:15:12< rocket16> Thanks Sevis! Simply executed Wesnoth shortcut, and it is showing 1.6.5! Thanks!
20100214 22:15:17< rocket16> Just coming!
20100214 22:15:29< rocket16> And, my name shall be rocket16 here!
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20100214 22:59:23< sevis> Well, that was quick :)
20100214 22:59:49< rocket16> Yes,
20100214 23:01:30< rocket16> Thanks Sevis, for the nice games,
20100214 23:02:13< rocket16> I really need to practice a lot before competing you. I don't know, whether I can ever be as good as you in Playing or not.
20100214 23:03:51< rocket16> Hey Sevis, are you here?
20100214 23:03:57< sevis> Yes, I am, thank you
20100214 23:04:20< rocket16> Thanks, and so, we'll play again, later! Bye.
20100214 23:04:41< sevis> Goodbye, goodbye
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20100214 23:06:25< Kleptomane> other than den of onis, are there any mp maps that make use of the cave tileset? I'm looking for reference maps :/
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