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20100215 03:45:52< fengshaun> where can I get alternative AI for local games?  Like an easy AI, or an expert AI!
20100215 04:00:40< VurtualRuler98> Give them less money.
20100215 04:00:44< VurtualRuler98> Makes them a bit easier.
20100215 04:01:43< fengshaun> thanks!
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20100215 06:56:57< rocket16> Hello all,
20100215 06:57:33< rocket16> Sevis, our previous game was very nice,
20100215 06:57:40< rocket16> I admire your tactics
20100215 06:57:42< sevis> Hullo, hullo
20100215 06:57:49< sevis> Heh, thank you
20100215 06:57:56< rocket16> You're Welcome,
20100215 06:58:14< sevis> I've got some time for another game, if you're up for it.
20100215 06:58:28< rocket16> Sure!
20100215 06:58:38< rocket16> Let us make it up, I am just coming,
20100215 06:58:52< rocket16> S, is the name "Svies's GAme" there?
20100215 06:59:15< sevis> Yes, I'll create it in a moment.
20100215 06:59:41< rocket16> Sure,
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20100215 07:27:25< Filled-Void> Hello all, Could any of ya remind me which campaigns it was you get to play Undead. I know you could in Descent into darkness. but is there any others?
20100215 07:37:02< rocket16> Others? I don't know, but you can play against them in several, including Southern Guard, Tale of two Brothers
20100215 07:37:10< rocket16> Eastern Invasion and so on,
20100215 07:38:48< rocket16> Going to practice the undead a bit... (Had a crushing defeat at the hands of the Elves of Sevis :(  ) :)
20100215 07:38:52< rocket16> Bye all
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20100215 08:25:11< rocket16> Hello again,
20100215 08:25:19< rocket16> I am trapped in a problem,
20100215 08:26:43< rocket16> Whenever I play Wesnoth, frequently the Sound stops, and then, when I try to quit the game, it gets hanged. So, I need to kill it via Console (killall -user username), or via Sysguard.
20100215 08:26:50< rocket16> Is it a bug?
20100215 08:28:10< rocket16> And, I have 1.6.5 installed on Ubuntu 9.10. Any solution?
20100215 08:28:49< sevis> rocket16, which sound system are you using? Pulseaudio?
20100215 08:30:13< rocket16> No, ALSA
20100215 08:31:07< sevis> Are you sure there is nothing on your system that uses anything else?
20100215 08:32:21< rocket16> Actually, I have Totem which uses Pulse Audio
20100215 08:32:33< rocket16> So, should I allow it to use ALSA?
20100215 08:32:57< sevis> Yes, mixing the two is a bad idea, in my experience.
20100215 08:33:07< sevis> (Although it was my X, not the specific app, that would die)
20100215 08:33:08< rocket16> Oh, I am just doing it, :) Thanks
20100215 08:35:00< rocket16> Got another answer from Ubuntuforums earlier, they asked me to use "sudo apt-get install wesnoth-dbg" to install Wesnoth Dehug Symbols.
20100215 08:35:05< rocket16> * Debug
20100215 08:35:29< rocket16> Trting that, may be it can help, :-)
20100215 08:36:10< rocket16> * Trying
20100215 08:36:16< rocket16> Thanks sevis,
20100215 08:44:48< rocket16> By the way, Elves are a nice choice for you Sevis, they were eating up my undeads.
20100215 08:45:09< rocket16> You are really an expert! :)
20100215 08:45:31< rocket16> But for any average player, Undeads can smash elves! 
20100215 08:46:09< rocket16> Hey Milwac, what is your favorite faction?
20100215 08:46:15< rocket16> * Favourite
20100215 08:47:22< milwac> hey.. i dunno, i have played mostly with undead
20100215 08:47:29< milwac> but i feel dwarves are really good
20100215 08:48:12< sevis> As I said, I'm not anywhere near an expert player, but thank
20100215 08:48:14< sevis> thanks*
20100215 08:49:28< milwac> wesnoth is somewhat like chess, it depends on all factors like terrain, time of day etc rather than on the faction alone
20100215 08:50:59< rocket16> Milwac: Yes that is a nice saying. I am an average player in Chess, while am less than novice in Wesnoth
20100215 08:51:11< rocket16> But I excel in AoM
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20100215 08:52:10< milwac> rocket16: I am pretty ok at Chess, but am new to wesnoth.. that is why i just love this game!
20100215 08:52:40< rocket16> Milwac: Thanks for the info, by the way. I am new too, just 1 month experience
20100215 08:53:04< milwac> oh ok.. cool :)
20100215 08:53:22< rocket16> Milwac: May I ask a personal question to you about Politics? (Since you are an Indian too) :)
20100215 08:53:31< milwac> sure go ahead
20100215 08:53:53< rocket16> Milwac: S, whom do you support NDA (BJP) or UPA (Congress)?
20100215 08:54:00< milwac> But I advice you not to delve too deep into politics at such a young age
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20100215 08:54:20< sevis> Anyway, I'm off, g'bye all
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20100215 08:54:38< milwac> I do not support Congress, but NDA has done some stupid things over the last few years
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20100215 08:54:59< rocket16> Milwac: Thanks, I am not so much interested, but our School founder is a staunch supporter of BJP, and install BJP Support in our mind
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20100215 08:55:05< milwac> I would want to see NDA rule in Assam though, not sure of other states
20100215 08:55:11< milwac> haha
20100215 08:56:18< rocket16> Milwac: I support NDA, because Congress partitioned India, did not prevent the hanging of Bhagat Singh and others, and supported the forceful conversion of Hindus
20100215 08:56:32< milwac> Every party is corrupt at the top, the ideology is what matters
20100215 08:56:52< rocket16> This Guy, Rahul GAndhi, came to West Bengal, and people rushed in, to see him, :)
20100215 08:57:00< milwac> :)
20100215 08:57:21< rocket16> Rahul GAndhi is 40+, still declaring himself and getting projected to be a youth, a student
20100215 08:57:29< milwac> I do not like the Congress mentality of paying too much attention to anything the minority wants
20100215 08:57:44< rocket16> Milwac: Yes! That is the point!
20100215 08:57:57< rocket16> Milwac: I applaud your point
20100215 08:58:10< milwac> as it is, in a democracy, people will have opinions, some right, some wrong.. it can't be that the ones lesser in numbers would always be right!
20100215 08:58:50< rocket16> Milwac: In Benga, the Communists have ruled for 33 years continuously! Time for them to go!
20100215 08:59:09< milwac> hmm.. thank you, but my knowledge of current affairs is lesser than my week long experience in wesnoth!
20100215 08:59:20< rocket16> Milwac: :)
20100215 08:59:37< milwac> yeah kolkatta is in a sorry state :)
20100215 08:59:43< milwac> not that guwahati is any better
20100215 08:59:49< rocket16> Milwac: Thanks for the info! :)
20100215 09:00:19< milwac> congress say that there are no illegal immigrants in Assam, and in reality they are in millions! if not more!
20100215 09:00:27< noy> what are the problemswith supporting minorities congress?
20100215 09:00:37< milwac> they just want their 'minority' vote bank
20100215 09:00:46< rocket16> Yes, that is right. Congress can burn Hindus alive, for getting support of Muslims
20100215 09:01:05< rocket16> All Hindus should vote for BJP,
20100215 09:01:09< milwac> hmm.. don't get communal now.. I just made a point
20100215 09:01:10< noy> so they shouldn't support minority concerns?
20100215 09:01:17< milwac> they should
20100215 09:01:24< rocket16> They should support all, equally,
20100215 09:01:26< milwac> but reservations are taking a toll on people
20100215 09:01:32< milwac> yes exactly!
20100215 09:01:39< rocket16> Yes, that is against freedom of Equality
20100215 09:01:53< noy> but what if another party completely ignores the minority?
20100215 09:02:04< milwac> Or there should be norms .. value financial situations more than caste
20100215 09:02:10< milwac> that would be wrong too
20100215 09:02:13< rocket16> O, a friend of mine,... just a minute,
20100215 09:02:20< milwac> as rocket16 said.. value everyone equally
20100215 09:02:55< noy> Uh, what if the other party doesn't want to be valued equally but wants more rights?
20100215 09:02:58< milwac> i am not against any political party.. just want some rules to be made better, that's all
20100215 09:03:04< noy> because they don't trust the government?
20100215 09:03:34< milwac> yeah there are some fundamental flaws in a multi party system
20100215 09:03:42< milwac> this is one
20100215 09:04:22< milwac> any way somebody is gonna get mistreated and can always question the equality aspect
20100215 09:06:06< milwac> all i am saying is .. change a few rules in the system, reservation for one, should be abolished.. reservations in India create more divisions rather than equality. It is against the very concern that it addresses, someone should not be made handicapped(as regards some others) since the day of his/her birth
20100215 09:06:37< noy> Yeah but that often doesn't address injustice
20100215 09:06:47< milwac> on a call
20100215 09:07:19< noy> Its nice to say that altering laws to make "everything equal" will work: but it often doesn't
20100215 09:07:51< noy> if anything it gives a leg up to majority parties
20100215 09:07:55< noy> or groups
20100215 09:09:02< noy> I don't know the particulars of this case but I've seen it enough times in other societies
20100215 09:10:05< milwac> how does altering a 'bad' law give a leg to majority societies
20100215 09:10:06< milwac> ?
20100215 09:10:35< milwac> it just takes away some 'free' stuff given away to minorities or lower caste communities that's all
20100215 09:10:41< milwac> which is necessary
20100215 09:11:12< milwac> to prevent hatred, and project a wrong image to equal rights
20100215 09:11:15< noy> No, I'm talking about what you said earlier: everything should be just equal
20100215 09:11:23< noy> not favoring a minority
20100215 09:11:25< milwac> yes exactly
20100215 09:11:29< milwac> very well
20100215 09:11:39< milwac> anyways let's not discuss anymore
20100215 09:11:49< noy> why not?
20100215 09:11:52< milwac> this discussion doesn't fit in here!
20100215 09:11:59< noy> I don't think it matters
20100215 09:12:14< milwac> ok, maybe it doesn't, I don't want to
20100215 09:12:20< milwac> thanks anyway :)
20100215 09:14:57< rocket16> hello again,
20100215 09:16:32< rocket16> Noy, BJP here is really struggling the balance the Hndus and Muslims
20100215 09:17:16< rocket16> For examples, when Babri Mosque was Destroyed, all hated BJP, even Hindus (the stylish guys, who think themshelves to be very smart)
20100215 09:17:49< rocket16> But, earlier, when Somnath Temple was destroyed (8 times!!!!!) no body aid anything even after the formation of Democracy
20100215 09:19:08< rocket16> One question, suppose you enter the house of a man forcibly, and occupy 5 out of his 10 rooms. Now, Police came, and asked you to leave. But you started demanding that you should be given those 5 rooms, by partitioning the house. Is it right?
20100215 09:23:39< rocket16> Anyway, I am going to start a game in Wesnoth, anybody interested to join? (Play vs My undeads)
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20100215 09:25:33< rocket16> topic
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20100215 09:27:29< knight_> Hello all!
20100215 09:27:39< rocket16> Hello knight!
20100215 09:27:54< knight_> Hello Rocket16, where are you from?
20100215 09:28:05< rocket16> I am from India, you?
20100215 09:28:22< knight_> Sorry, can't disclose, private, :)
20100215 09:31:04< knight_> I use Ubuntu 9.10, it rocks
20100215 09:31:43< rocket16> Me too! :) Which one do you use? KDE or GNOME? I use GNOME, but have others installed!
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20100215 09:32:09< knight_> Gnome 
20100215 09:32:27< rocket16> Good! GNOME is flexible and nice and rich
20100215 09:32:31< knight_> rich?
20100215 09:32:44< rocket16> I mean, rich in its software base and support
20100215 09:33:10< knight_> lol
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20100215 09:33:53< rocket16> So, Java vs C++, which one is better to you?
20100215 09:34:19< knight_> java is bogus, c++ is nice
20100215 09:34:41< rocket16> What? It is because of JAva, Flash and JAvascript, that we can use Internet!
20100215 09:35:17< knight_> I don't need java. It sucks. Java programs can not be executed in any machine
20100215 09:35:44< rocket16> What? Use java name.java to execute any Java system, provided that you have JAva installed,
20100215 09:35:54< rocket16> And, Java is platform-independent
20100215 09:36:26< knight_> java? lol, it can not run in ubuntu
20100215 09:37:03< rocket16> No! It can, just browse Help, and select Advanced Topics, and select Java, then install Java 1.6
20100215 09:37:44< knight_> hmm.
20100215 09:38:18< knight_> Wesnoth is very bad
20100215 09:38:40< knight_> it sucks, no real time strategy
20100215 09:39:08< rocket16> Wesnoth is one of the best games. I am playing it for one month, still I like it
20100215 09:39:19< rocket16> And, Wesnoth is Turn Based Strategy
20100215 09:40:02< knight_> Windows rocks, linux sucks,
20100215 09:40:11< rocket16> What nonsense!
20100215 09:40:49< rocket16> Linux is secure, free, open-source, community-supported, stable, customizable, portable, flexible
20100215 09:41:06< rocket16> And, you said that Ubuntu rocks, then why does Linux suck?
20100215 09:41:28< knight_> Ubuntu is no match for Windows Vista
20100215 09:42:15< rocket16> Then, which one do you like?
20100215 09:43:13< knight_> Ubuntu = Poor, Gentoo =Fool, Slackware=Mad's OS, Puppy=Joke,DSL=Worst,Redhat=Shit,Fedora=Crap
20100215 09:43:45< rocket16> Windows = Potassium Cyanide for Computer
20100215 09:43:58< knight_> Ubuntu is a shit
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20100215 09:44:27< rocket16> Why do you hate Ubuntu and Linux?
20100215 09:45:06< knight_> install vlc in ubuntu and windows, and see the difference
20100215 09:45:37< knight_> linux is hard, windows is easy, vlc needs 10 days to install on ubuntu,
20100215 09:46:06< Smar> I suppose, as vlc isn’t really meant to install whole OS
20100215 09:46:19< rocket16> What nonnonse! "sudo apt-get install vlc" and see! Or, select it from Software Centre/Synaptic
20100215 09:47:46< knight_> ubuntu is shit, and others are crap
20100215 09:47:58< Soliton> keep the "discussion" civil or move it somewhere else.
20100215 09:48:18< rocket16> Whom? Me?
20100215 09:49:02< knight_> yes rocket, fly out of earth to space and dance there
20100215 09:49:19< rocket16> Hey! Watch your word!
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20100215 09:51:39< Soliton> rocket16: best to ignore when people just say "<thing> sucks". they're not looking for a proper discussion.
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20100215 09:54:51< Soliton> oh well.
20100215 09:55:41< Smar> Soliton: you sucks. 
20100215 09:55:47< Smar> :P
20100215 09:56:07< Soliton> i'm not a thing!
20100215 09:56:10< Smar> :(
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20100215 10:05:14< Sacho> again non-wesnoth discussions :|
20100215 10:06:26< Smar> what did you expect. :)
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20100215 10:07:24< Smar> sounds like yummy
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20100215 10:07:50 * Smar is hearing some whispering in a far away place from here...
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20100215 10:17:05< rocket16> Hello all
20100215 10:17:48< rocket16> Any advice to counter mages with Undead?
20100215 10:18:18< rocket16> I mean, apart from Adepts, which unit can counter mages? (Undead faction)
20100215 10:18:28< Sacho> skeleton warriors
20100215 10:18:50< rocket16> But Skeleton warriors!?
20100215 10:19:03< rocket16> But they can not counter their MAgical Missiles
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20100215 10:21:25< milwac> use melee attackers like skeletons and ghouls
20100215 10:21:48< Sacho> he quit
20100215 10:21:49< milwac> do not user ranged attack from dark adepts, during day
20100215 10:22:04< milwac> oh i didn't notice that 
20100215 10:22:05< milwac> :)
20100215 10:22:23< milwac> anyway he can read later in the chat logs.. if he so bothers
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20100215 10:25:57< rocket16> Oh Lord, this Connection is getting terminated repeatedly, I think a server problem
20100215 10:26:28< rocket16> Sacho: Can Skeleton Warriors really counter?
20100215 10:26:37< Sacho> of course
20100215 10:27:03< rocket16> Can you please give me any tip, how to manage them effectively?
20100215 10:27:04< Sacho> 2 skeletons can kill a mage during night time
20100215 10:27:15< rocket16> I see, Thanks for the tip
20100215 10:27:17< Sacho> retreat during day
20100215 10:27:33< rocket16> Thanks, now mages will see, the power of my forces!
20100215 10:27:42< Sacho> mages do piss poor damage during night anyhow
20100215 10:27:50< rocket16> Soliton, what is your favourite faction?
20100215 10:28:47< rocket16> And Sacho? What's yours?
20100215 10:30:42< rocket16> Sevis really smashed my Undeads :(
20100215 10:30:52< rocket16> Got defeated 3 times!
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20100215 10:33:20< rocket16> really a problem,
20100215 10:33:46< rocket16> And, how to counter druids?
20100215 10:34:02< rocket16> I mean, their healing power, using Undead?
20100215 10:34:13< Sacho> well, shamans don't do much damage
20100215 10:34:16< Sacho> use that as an advantage
20100215 10:34:23< Sacho> if your opponent has a lot of shamans, they don't have the damage to kill you
20100215 10:34:40< Sacho> which means you don't need that great positioning
20100215 10:34:46< Sacho> so you can focus on a unit and kill it off
20100215 10:35:28< rocket16> Oh! Great!
20100215 10:35:31< Sacho> poison his units so the shaman has to get on bad ground to prevent the poison
20100215 10:35:42< Sacho> then just kill it off, they have low hp
20100215 10:35:48< rocket16> You mean, poison using Ghouls?
20100215 10:36:56< rocket16> That is a good tactic, thanks. I will do it.
20100215 10:37:22< rocket16> I really want to win a match against Sevis,
20100215 10:37:27< rocket16> Thanks all! Bye.
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20100215 10:42:34< Ivanovic> moin
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20100215 14:54:12< rocket16_> Hello all
20100215 14:55:01< rocket16_> So, sevis, your last game was fabulous!
20100215 14:55:41 * Espreon rolls his eyes
20100215 14:56:58< rocket16_> Hello Espreon
20100215 14:57:16< Espreon> Hello.
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20100215 14:58:07< rocket16_> Actually, trapped in a problem here. I try to login as Rocket16, but it says that it is registered. Now when I try  /msg NickServ identify <password>, it says "Rocket16_ is no
20100215 14:58:22< rocket16_> "Rocket16_ is noy a registered username"
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20100215 14:59:02< rocket16_> Actually, just switched to Quassel from XChat, and this problem occurs
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20100215 14:59:52< Espreon> Maybe that is because "rocket16_" is not bound to your NickServ account...
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20100215 15:06:49< sevis> Hullo, rocket16.
20100215 15:07:21< sevis> rocket16_: use /nick rocket16 first.
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20100215 19:09:34< Gambit> Site is down?
20100215 19:09:45< Gambit> Oh wait nvm it looks okay again.
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20100215 23:40:46< Kleptomane> eh, is there anyone here that could help me with an issue i am having with the map editor?
20100215 23:41:04< Kleptomane> ive tried to do a search on the forums but nothing about this specific issue comes up
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