--- Log opened Tue Feb 23 00:00:28 2010
20100223 00:00:35< Gambit> It's been mentioned a couple of times about rewriting the tutorial
20100223 00:00:55< Gambit> Has there been any discussion on what to do in it?
20100223 00:03:39< Blarumyrran> hum? The tutorial was rewritten already
20100223 00:04:25< Blarumyrran> And that's a good thing, I think - indiscriminately killing units of Delfador just so you would learn - made no bloody sense
20100223 00:06:20< Gambit> :s
20100223 00:06:24< Gambit> In 1.7?
20100223 00:06:47< Blarumyrran> 1.6 I think
20100223 00:07:31< Gambit> 1.6 and 1.7 still has mostly the same tutorial as 1.2
20100223 00:07:56< Gambit> A rewrite was mentioned more recently than that
20100223 00:08:04< Gambit> By ivanovic
20100223 00:08:27< Gambit> "Rewriting the tutorial. This is a huge task and on our list for some time  already. We had some complaints (okay, many...) that the tutorial is not perfect  and it is on our list, but this will take lots of time, too."
20100223 00:13:22< Gambit> I was just wondering if there was any information becuase if nobody is working on it, I'd do it.
20100223 00:16:23< Gambit> I realize that it'd be best to write one and then submit for comments, but I don't see anything wrong with the current one, which is why I was wondering if there are any particular points/reasons to it.
20100223 00:19:31< Zarel> Gambit!
20100223 00:19:33< Zarel> :O
20100223 00:19:33< Zarel> :O
20100223 00:19:34< Zarel> :O
20100223 00:19:39< Gambit> Zarel!
20100223 00:19:40< Zarel> First time I've seen you on IRC/
20100223 00:19:41< Gambit> :A
20100223 00:19:42< Gambit> :B
20100223 00:19:43< Gambit> :C
20100223 00:19:43< Zarel> Sup, man!
20100223 00:19:53< Gambit> My IRC postcount.
20100223 00:19:56< Gambit> lol.
20100223 00:19:58< Gambit> The sky
20100223 00:20:19< Gambit> America's national debt
20100223 00:21:00< Gambit> What's up?
20100223 00:22:03< Blarumyrran> Whom are they indebted to, anyway
20100223 00:22:05< Zarel> The same.
20100223 00:22:21< Gambit> Mostly Japan and China I think
20100223 00:22:28< Zarel> Blarumyrran: Did you notice that time, when you were like "I was misquoted, that wasn't me."
20100223 00:22:48< Zarel> And I was like "Okay" and then I was like [quote="Syntax_Error"]
20100223 00:22:56< Blarumyrran> I did not
20100223 00:23:06< Zarel> Oh. I thought it was hilarious, but no one noticed it. :(
20100223 00:23:10< Blarumyrran> :(
20100223 00:23:32< Gambit> You can chat on IRC? :O
20100223 00:23:41< Blarumyrran> Gambit, Japan is heavily indebted too though
20100223 00:23:44< Gambit> And here I've been reserving it for seriousness all day D:
20100223 00:24:02< Zarel> I still don't know what China's planning on doing with their 60% of the US's national debt.
20100223 00:24:20< Gambit> They're going to get it up to like 80-90 and then forclose :P
20100223 00:24:23< Zarel> If only I had contacts higher up in the Commies.
20100223 00:24:33< Zarel> Then I could be like "dudes, what are you doing?"
20100223 00:24:46< Blarumyrran> They'd tell you of the moon laser
20100223 00:24:59< Gambit> Oh nothing much Zarel
20100223 00:25:04< Gambit> Just hacking some US companies
20100223 00:25:08< Gambit> stealing some airplane blueprints
20100223 00:25:12< Blarumyrran> And the indebted american slaves who have given up their patriotism and work there as debt-slaves
20100223 00:25:18< Zarel> You don't really need to own most of the US's national debt to do that, though.
20100223 00:25:21< Gambit> Kicking out google
20100223 00:25:44< Zarel> And it's not like that's actually going to happen. If China's ever like "Okay, gimme my money back", the US is just going to be like "um... we default."
20100223 00:26:56< Blarumyrran> It's funny how it probably makes us-china relations better - if china turned bad again, they'd be less likely to get their stuff back
20100223 00:27:08< Gambit> lol
20100223 00:27:17< Gambit> Yeah but we wouldn't get their dirt cheap products
20100223 00:27:29< Gambit> We're as much stuck in the rut as they
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20100223 00:30:46< Gambit> Did you guys see the onion video where congress staged a coop
20100223 00:31:01< Gambit> "technically we're a new country, so our debt no longer applies"
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20100223 00:36:42< Blarumyrran> Cool, in estonian translation goblins are Mountain Monsters
20100223 00:36:48< Blarumyrran> It sounds like something bigger than a yeti
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20100223 00:41:46< Gambit> Ms. Leading
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20100223 01:54:42< Tonepoet> Hi Myth.
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20100223 03:26:43< Gambit> Today's xkcd seems like something shadowmaster would do.
20100223 03:27:09< shadowmaster> happygrue linked it to me earlier but I still don't get it
20100223 03:28:09< Gambit> lol
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20100223 04:42:43< happygrue> shadowmaster: didn't you just mention something about 400 days of uptime?  :P
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20100223 04:54:08< Gambit> do maintanence days count in "uptime"
20100223 04:54:14< Gambit> because it's been less than that if not
20100223 04:55:59< VurtualRuler98> Either way he seems like he'd get a medal of honor for selflessly defending a cat blog server with an old rifle, some ramen noodles and a soda fountain; even while fighting against hundreds of soldiers.
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20100223 10:19:07< Ivanovic> moin
20100223 10:19:14< Smar> mion 
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20100223 18:01:24< bp0> so when is 1.8 expected?
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20100223 18:14:27< Gambit> IIRWIR
20100223 18:14:36< Gambit> soon
20100223 18:14:46< Gambit> by 2011
20100223 18:14:51< Gambit> within our lifetimes
20100223 18:15:01< Gambit> et cetera
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20100223 18:16:07< Gambit> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28514
20100223 18:18:34< VurtualRuler98> When it's done+how long it takes to be made available+how long it takes you to notice+how long it takes you to want to get it+how long until you succeed to obtain it
20100223 18:19:18< Gambit> factor in your neighbor's torrent downloading and how that affects your transfer rate
20100223 18:19:47< VurtualRuler98> And how long you spend just staring into space thinking about self-animating legos and remaking Settlers of Catan in wesnoth.
20100223 18:20:14< Gambit> I do both those things while it's downloading. :P
20100223 18:20:46< VurtualRuler98> You could like... command a whole city of them and have a little lego army using Star Wars sets.
20100223 18:20:59< VurtualRuler98> Wait
20100223 18:21:01< [sky]> lol
20100223 18:21:23< VurtualRuler98> What were we talking about?
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20100223 18:21:54< Gambit> You know what a great ancient game to remake in wesnoth would be?
20100223 18:22:03< Gambit> Oregon Trail
20100223 18:22:29< Gambit> Wesnoth stopped being a game a long time ago. It is a 2D turn based engine.
20100223 18:22:44< VurtualRuler98> You try to fight off the wound but it levels up into dysentery.
20100223 18:22:53< Gambit> rofl
20100223 18:22:56< VurtualRuler98> Your whole wagon train just explodes into fire.
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20100223 18:23:23< Gambit> You have to hunt for gryphon meat along the way
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20100223 18:24:08< VurtualRuler98> You have killed 6200 xp worth of gryphons, you were able to bring back 32. If you continue to hunt in this area, leaders will become scarce.
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20100223 18:25:49< VurtualRuler98> Hm, I just realised i only use two kinds of units while playing northerners
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20100223 18:26:28< Gambit> Grunts and whatever grunts level up to?
20100223 18:27:01< VurtualRuler98> Grunts and wolf riders.
20100223 18:27:12< Gambit> You know what bugs me
20100223 18:27:48< VurtualRuler98> nnngh, nope, can't read your mind.
20100223 18:27:50< Gambit> the wolf riders are "goblins"
20100223 18:27:55< Gambit> sorry for the long pause :P
20100223 18:28:00< Gambit> someone was talking to me irl
20100223 18:28:08< VurtualRuler98> It doesn't help that this tiny map does not really need much else.
20100223 18:28:10< bp0> goblins are orcs says the wiki
20100223 18:28:21< VurtualRuler98> Goblins are the not-big orcs.
20100223 18:28:36< bp0> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Races#Goblins
20100223 18:28:46< bp0> Goblins are, despite their appearance, members of the exact same race as orcs, and are born as siblings to the orcs/
20100223 18:28:55< VurtualRuler98> I mean, the map really tiny and designed like an arena, so I end up just fighting off enemies in the tiny symmetrical center, and sending nagas through the sides to do whatever
20100223 18:29:12< Gambit> ah so in wesnoth Orcism is a recessive trait
20100223 18:29:56< Gambit> As for 1.8
20100223 18:30:10< Gambit> I hope it is *after* ~scale() gets fixed
20100223 18:30:20< VurtualRuler98> Oh man, my defensive lines are falling.
20100223 18:30:29< Gambit> It's not really a gamebreaking bug though so I dunno.
20100223 18:34:15< bp0> is WesnothGL still a thing?
20100223 18:34:20< Gambit> ?
20100223 18:34:24< Gambit> You mean OpenGL wesnoth?
20100223 18:34:30< Gambit> That's on 1.9's todo list I think
20100223 18:35:10< bp0> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/index.php?title=WesnothGL&action=history
20100223 18:35:15< bp0> just wondering
20100223 18:37:16< Gambit> https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-dev/2010-02/index.html
20100223 18:37:28< Gambit> scroll down near the bottom. around the 8th or so
20100223 18:38:06< Gambit> 7th-12th
20100223 18:38:08< bp0> oh no! invalid cert!
20100223 18:38:18< Gambit> yeah GNA has no certificates
20100223 18:38:18< bp0> are you trying to hack me
20100223 18:38:21< Gambit> :s
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20100223 18:38:33< bp0> joke
20100223 18:39:04< VurtualRuler98> It just occoured to me that Wesnoth is like warcraft 3 in that you can essentially make a whole new game with a map.
20100223 18:39:29< bp0> is GL even a good idea at this point?
20100223 18:40:30< bp0> heh
20100223 18:40:34< bp0> maybe
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20100223 18:42:45< Gambit> It's supposed to push a lot of the work over to the graphics card
20100223 18:42:52< Gambit> instead of CPU/memory
20100223 18:43:36< Gambit> or at least that's what I get from the mailing list
20100223 18:44:32< Gambit> Unfortunatly most of the discussion on OpenGL was based on things said at FOSDEM
20100223 18:44:50< Gambit> It's like coming into a conversation about a party you didn't go to :P
20100223 18:45:06< Gambit> And worse yet, you're coming in as an observer so you can't ask questions
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20100223 19:08:18 * KHDN peeks in.
20100223 19:09:07 * Gambit uses pepperspray
20100223 19:09:50< KHDN> Now that's my kind of welcome.
20100223 19:10:24< KHDN> It's alright, though. I spent a lot of time stalking people, I think I'm immune to the stuff by now. :P
20100223 19:11:45< Gambit> 60%
20100223 19:11:49< Gambit> oops wrong box
20100223 19:12:08< Gambit> rofl I have this and my economics less open at the same time
20100223 19:13:10< Gambit> I am blown away that my answer was right though. The question was "How many US coporations paid no federal income tax last year?"
20100223 19:13:28< Gambit> Because all their jobs are oversees <_<
20100223 19:14:31< Blarumyrran> KHDN, are you a serial rapist?
20100223 19:15:01< noy> Gambit: well that or they are considered based in another country
20100223 19:15:24< noy> even though the majority of their workforce is in the US
20100223 19:15:54< KHDN> I prefer "Free-of-charge Surprise Intercourse Supplicator", thank you very much. :|
20100223 19:16:00< Gambit> they need to gtfo then. I can't believe that. 60% of corporate federal income tax missing :O
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20100223 19:16:29< noy> I don't know is that entirely true... I bet thats some fuzzy statistics 
20100223 19:16:53< Gambit> My teacher says you only need to have a post office box in another country and you can even have your management staff not count
20100223 19:17:10< noy> I kinda doubt thats the case
20100223 19:17:43< KHDN> It's probably not quite as simple, but with some complicated legal-fu...
20100223 19:17:50< noy> your profits would have to be paid in that country
20100223 19:17:58< noy> and thats really tough
20100223 19:18:30< Gambit> What's profit got to do with income tax?
20100223 19:18:37< noy> I mean your financials
20100223 19:20:01< noy> as a company you can't just run your entire business in a country, including your financials (buying and selling goods and services) then expect to pay no corporate tax 
20100223 19:20:12< noy> because you have an off shore account
20100223 19:20:23< noy> err address
20100223 19:21:40< noy> It would be incredibly cumbersome, and you'd be paying taxes on alot of other things
20100223 19:21:55< Gambit> Regardless of how they did it
20100223 19:21:58< Gambit> that's a lot of companies
20100223 19:22:00< Gambit> and a lot of cash
20100223 19:22:32< noy> I think that number is wrong
20100223 19:23:19< Gambit> Looks like he was talking about this
20100223 19:23:20< Gambit> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/12/national/main4342535.shtml
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20100223 19:23:47< Gambit> Eh It's not American companies
20100223 19:23:55< noy> thats exactly what I said
20100223 19:23:59< Gambit> its foriegn companies doing buisness in america
20100223 19:24:11< Gambit> He misrepresented the facts then
20100223 19:24:22< noy> was this a university professor?
20100223 19:24:28< Gambit> Highschool
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20100223 19:24:50< noy> a normal highschool?
20100223 19:25:02< Gambit> define normal
20100223 19:25:05< Gambit> it's virtual
20100223 19:25:12< Gambit> cyberschool
20100223 19:25:25< noy> .... why are you going to a "cyberschool?"
20100223 19:25:40< noy> normal as in a public highschool
20100223 19:25:46< noy> but this is something else
20100223 19:25:51< Gambit> It's public
20100223 19:25:56< Gambit> paid for by taxes
20100223 19:26:07< Gambit> Though they only get 3/4 the money per student
20100223 19:26:29< noy> you pay the rest?
20100223 19:26:31< Gambit> somehow the physical schools get 1/4th of the money even though we don't go there
20100223 19:26:36< Gambit> nope I pay nothing
20100223 19:26:43< Gambit> they even reimburse part of my internet :D
20100223 19:26:59< noy> right
20100223 19:27:02< Sacho> decent project
20100223 19:27:09< Gambit> connectionsacademy.com
20100223 19:27:14< Sacho> probably not-so-good implementation :P
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20100223 19:27:30< Gambit> They mail the students textbooks
20100223 19:27:38< Gambit> our lesson plans are online
20100223 19:27:45< Gambit> and the teachers hold weekly lessons
20100223 19:27:49< Gambit> math teachers do twice weekly
20100223 19:27:59< noy> hmm
20100223 19:28:34< noy> well I'm somewhat skeptical of the idea, tbh
20100223 19:29:08< Blarumyrran> I had an economics teacher in high school. He used to be a car mechanic, then came to teach computer stuff at which he failed, then taught wood/metalwork, at which he somewhat failed, then taught economics. At which he failed. Later I heard he was a relative of the wife of the dean. After I graduated he was promoted to a headteacher.
20100223 19:29:14< Gambit> It's worked out well so far (since 6th grade) they've even left me swap out their easy peasy english and techonolgy classes for ones at a local community college
20100223 19:29:16< noy> having seen online classes myself
20100223 19:29:46< Gambit> those I have to pay for <_<
20100223 19:30:19< Gambit> but it's harder at least and I get to earn credits at the college simultaneously
20100223 19:30:30< noy> any idea of what you want to do in College?
20100223 19:30:58< Gambit> probably computer programming
20100223 19:31:15< noy> hm
20100223 19:31:19< Gambit> I've always wanted to be a 3D modeler but I've yet to find a school that really does that
20100223 19:33:42< Gambit> lol Blaru @ school corruption
20100223 19:35:23< Gambit> Why is it that spaghetti (and other tomato sauce things) taste better as leftovers than they do when you first make them?
20100223 19:36:07< noy> the meat and stuff get infused with the tomato taste
20100223 19:37:36< Gambit> The one thing about cyberschooling though
20100223 19:37:47< Gambit> I hope someday that my transcript isn't brought into question
20100223 19:37:54< Gambit> It would be really easy to cheat in a cyberschool
20100223 19:38:20< noy> well that and who will give you your reference?
20100223 19:38:25< Gambit> I mean I'm sitting here right now talking to you, while doing economics.
20100223 19:38:26< noy> and how good will it be?
20100223 19:38:38< Gambit> The teachers are real, and I've used them as reference before successfully
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20100223 19:39:47< Gambit> You mean a job reference right?
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20100223 19:42:21< Gambit> Also each class has about 300 kids in it so it takes the teachers almost a month sometimes to grade things
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20100223 19:55:45< Sacho> how do you do your tests?
20100223 19:56:06< Sacho> imo, it should be kangaroo-like tests
20100223 19:56:14< Sacho> 60 questions 90 minutes
20100223 19:56:35< Sacho> even if you have a book, if you have to start reading it "right now", you're screwed.
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20100223 20:02:46< Gambit> There are small 3 question quizzes at the end of every lesson
20100223 20:03:07< Gambit> they call these "quick checks"
20100223 20:03:18< Gambit> every 2-5 of those is 10 questions long and they call that a "quiz"
20100223 20:03:27< Gambit> at the end of every unit there is a test
20100223 20:03:34< Gambit> 20-30 questions
20100223 20:03:41< Gambit> no time limits on any of them
20100223 20:04:02< Gambit> they're just simple web forms
20100223 20:05:20< Gambit> in fact they tell us to print them out and take as long as we need :s
20100223 20:05:41< Gambit> EXCEPT ironically for the ones that are just "practice" for the state exams and count 0% towards our grade :s
20100223 20:07:06< Gambit> they cram 6 of those down our throats a week during the first half of the second semester <_<
20100223 20:07:45< Sacho> Well, tbh, I have never liked the grading system in schools
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20100223 20:08:04< Gambit> 6 btw if you get 90% average on them
20100223 20:08:13< Sacho> but perhaps, if you have a real life "diploma test" at the end of your stay at the school
20100223 20:08:17< Gambit> its the minimum
20100223 20:08:29< Gambit> I hear from others that worse grades can earn you up to like 12
20100223 20:08:32< Gambit> per week :s
20100223 20:09:46< Gambit> The state exams are timed
20100223 20:10:15< Gambit> A while back the school was bragging that the state found our grades were much higher on average than the brick and mortar school students
20100223 20:12:12< Gambit> And we have to travel for the state exams
20100223 20:12:33< Gambit> Which kind of sucks
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20100223 20:18:37< Gambit> What does "connection reset by peer" mean?
20100223 20:18:44< Gambit> Sounds almost like a "got kicked" message.
20100223 20:19:24< Gambit> gah IRC is addicting. I need to get off of here. Be back later.
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20100223 20:23:00< Sacho> goodbye ;)
20100223 20:23:59< Sacho> Gambit: that means the server closed the connection
20100223 20:24:17< Sacho> err, client*
20100223 20:24:49< Sacho> I'm confused, nevermind :)
20100223 20:29:08< Gambit> Yay done with school
20100223 20:29:16< Gambit> that wasn't long :P
20100223 20:29:48< Gambit> If the client closed the connection
20100223 20:29:55< Gambit> It would be a crash, or a normal exit.
20100223 20:30:23< Gambit> Normal exiting has a message, and "connection reset by peer" occurs too often to be a glitch.
20100223 20:30:40< Sacho> should be server
20100223 20:30:42< Gambit> Though it does say "Read Error:"
20100223 20:31:18< Sacho> well actually
20100223 20:31:21< Sacho> if the server is trying to send data
20100223 20:31:27< Sacho> but the client's socket has been closed
20100223 20:31:42< Gambit> Maybe it's the message for when you log in on another computer to an account that is already logged in. You appear and the old instance's connection gets closed
20100223 20:31:44< Sacho> maybe that's when you get a connection reset by peer :)
20100223 20:31:48< Gambit> ... by a peer
20100223 20:31:49< Sacho> nope
20100223 20:32:03< Sacho> that's definitely not the case.
20100223 20:32:14< Sacho> If you try to log in, you will be told that your nick is already used.
20100223 20:32:21< Sacho> most irc clients have a "backup" nick for that case.
20100223 20:32:25< Gambit> Ah
20100223 20:32:26< Sacho> and you'll just have two connections to the server open.
20100223 20:32:33< Gambit> I've been told that my name is registered
20100223 20:32:39< Gambit> but it lets me in I guess because it's not in use.
20100223 20:32:44< Sacho> I'm assuming it means exactly what it says
20100223 20:32:55< Sacho> connection reset by the communication peer
20100223 20:33:02< Sacho> so for some reason the server thinks the client reset the connection
20100223 20:33:15< Sacho> maybe #freenode will have more info on that
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20100223 20:36:38< anky> I have a quick question: when I go to the multiplayer server I see only 3 or 4 others there. On my friends computer, however, there are always 20 or more. Do I need to change a port setting or something? I'm on a Mac, OS 10.6.
20100223 20:37:08< Gambit> What version of wesnoth?
20100223 20:37:12< Gambit> And which server?
20100223 20:37:55< Gambit> You should be on 1.6.5 and "join official server"
20100223 20:40:30< anky> ah...  i think i am running the unstable version 1.7.x
20100223 20:40:44< anky> I should go back to 1.6.5
20100223 20:40:51< anky> thanks, i'll try that
20100223 20:41:17< Gambit> Yeah 1.7 is basically a beta
20100223 20:41:33< anky> I didn't realize it would send me to a different server
20100223 20:41:36< Gambit> There are at least 100 people on the stable one right now
20100223 20:41:48< anky> I'm downloading 1.6.5 now
20100223 20:41:52< anky> cool
20100223 20:41:55< Gambit> Yep there are 3. 1.4.x 1.6.x and 1.7.x
20100223 20:42:23< anky> I think multiplayer will be fun, but I've had a difficult time finding games on 1.7.x!
20100223 20:43:11< Gambit> Why anyone would still be on 1.4 is beyond me...
20100223 20:43:38< anky> Surely no one is there....
20100223 20:43:54< Gambit> yep: http://www.wesnoth.org/irclogs/2010/02/%23wesnoth-mp-lobby-1.4.2010-02-23.log
20100223 20:44:22< anky> hmm... perhaps they miss the womb too much?
20100223 20:44:55< Gambit> It's not like Wesnoth has ever tossed features.
20100223 20:45:02< Gambit> AFAIK they've only ever added things.
20100223 20:45:18< Gambit> Surely even dialup users would find time to update over the course of 2 years.
20100223 20:46:50< anky> let's remember them in our prayers
20100223 20:47:07< anky> if they won't save themselves, who will?
20100223 20:47:20< VurtualRuler98> Google and their 1gbit lines.
20100223 20:47:27< anky> hehe
20100223 20:47:28< VurtualRuler98> I want that. :(
20100223 20:47:45< VurtualRuler98> It'd be like, one minute to download ArmA 2.
20100223 20:47:46< Gambit> 1gb? That's not really much
20100223 20:47:52< anky> You wouldn't be here right now if you were working at google....
20100223 20:47:55< VurtualRuler98> 1gbit a second dude.
20100223 20:47:58< Gambit> T1 is 10gps isn't it?
20100223 20:48:08< VurtualRuler98> All over the US.
20100223 20:48:24< Gambit> The US has the slowest internet in the world
20100223 20:48:35< VurtualRuler98> Not really. We're just too big to bring it everywhere.
20100223 20:49:07< VurtualRuler98> It's pretty gigantic. Not just a tiny island or territory.
20100223 20:49:25< anky> and only giants live there and eat giant fruits!
20100223 20:49:32< VurtualRuler98> With 1gbit you could download ArmA 2 off steam in like, one minute.
20100223 20:49:39< VurtualRuler98> That took me TWO DAYS.
20100223 20:49:42< Gambit> Um no you can't
20100223 20:49:47< VurtualRuler98> If steam had the same speed.
20100223 20:49:51< Gambit> There's this thing called transfer rate
20100223 20:50:04< Gambit> heck my internet is 1gbps and it took me several hours to download AA2
20100223 20:50:09< VurtualRuler98> Okay, if you had a single consistent 1gb line.
20100223 20:50:22< VurtualRuler98> Which isn't too impossible I guess.
20100223 20:50:31< Gambit> No because transfer rate is always going to be a fraction of your downspeed
20100223 20:50:39< VurtualRuler98> STOP RUINING MY DREAMS
20100223 20:50:46< Gambit> I have 1gpbs internet. My transfer rate is a steady 180kbps
20100223 20:50:50< VurtualRuler98> You must hate optimism!
20100223 20:50:53< Gambit> I have a friend with 34gbps internet
20100223 20:51:00< Gambit> he actually can download a gig per second
20100223 20:51:08< VurtualRuler98> I thought only some crazy old lady in Sweden had that.
20100223 20:51:23< Gambit> Nah, most chinese ISPs offer 60gbps
20100223 20:51:32< Gambit> U.S. has slow internet
20100223 20:51:37< VurtualRuler98> Yes, but then you have to deal with the great firewall of china.
20100223 20:51:43< Gambit> yeah! lol
20100223 20:52:00< VurtualRuler98> At least I can have controversial porn.
20100223 20:52:06< Gambit> :s
20100223 20:52:09< VurtualRuler98> I just have to wait a bit
20100223 20:52:32< Gambit> oh wait
20100223 20:52:38< Gambit> all this time I've been saying gbps
20100223 20:52:44< anky> Gambit: thanks. 1.6.5 is on and I see everyone now
20100223 20:52:45< Gambit> I think I actually meant mbps
20100223 20:53:03< Gambit> LOL I guess 1gbps would be really freaking fast
20100223 20:53:09< VurtualRuler98> 1gbit though.
20100223 20:53:25< Gambit> gah and I work for an ISP
20100223 20:53:29< Gambit> embarrassing
20100223 20:53:33< VurtualRuler98> STOP OVERCHARGING
20100223 20:53:41< VurtualRuler98> I'm already preparing to find all the computer parts to make sure I can handle 1gbit.
20100223 20:54:03< Gambit> yeah I have 1mbps
20100223 20:54:10< Gambit> my friend has 34mbps
20100223 20:54:12< VurtualRuler98> bit or byte?
20100223 20:54:23< Gambit> the difference is like 24 bits isn't it?
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20100223 20:54:26< Gambit> doesn't matter
20100223 20:54:31< Gambit> *bytes
20100223 20:54:32< Gambit> gah
20100223 20:54:34< VurtualRuler98> 1 byte is 8 bits.
20100223 20:54:43< VurtualRuler98> Meaning 1megabyte is 8megabit.
20100223 20:55:16< VurtualRuler98> So your connection could be 128 kilobytes, or 1 megabyte.
20100223 20:55:26< Gambit> wait they're completely different measurements
20100223 20:55:36< Gambit> bits are for datatransfer
20100223 20:55:38< Gambit> bytes are for storage
20100223 20:55:51< VurtualRuler98> You can use them for whatever.
20100223 20:56:01< VurtualRuler98> I have 63 or so kilobyte download speeds at most.
20100223 20:56:23< Gambit> at any rate
20100223 20:56:30< Gambit> you'll never be able to download files at your downspeed
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20100223 20:57:49< Gambit> Hmmm I guess 1gbps would be 1000 times faster than what I have now
20100223 20:58:20< Gambit> so my transfer rate would be 180mbps instead of 180kbps
20100223 20:58:28< Gambit> 2 second wesnoth downloads ftw!
20100223 20:59:10< VurtualRuler98> Around 128 mbytes.
20100223 20:59:15< Gambit> AA2 was like 3gb wasn't it? I uninstalledi t after like 2 hours so I don't remember
20100223 20:59:39< Gambit> rofl 16 seconds to download AA2
20100223 20:59:42< Gambit> your dream lives :P
20100223 21:00:22< Gambit> But good luck finding a US ISP that will have that
20100223 21:00:38< VurtualRuler98> I could redownload the contents of my hard drive in 44 minutes?
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20100223 21:01:52< Gambit> verizon goes up to 50mbps
20100223 21:01:58< Gambit> a drop in the proverbial bucket there
20100223 21:02:03< Gambit> 139.95
20100223 21:02:06< Gambit> a month
20100223 21:03:23< Gambit> Netvigator (a chinese ISP whos name I only know because they were trying to scam email our clients)
20100223 21:03:34< Gambit> offers 30mbps for $38 US dollars a month
20100223 21:03:56< Gambit> I can't read chinese so I can't see what their 1gbps plan costs
20100223 21:04:15< Gambit> I can't even get to the page with their plans, but according to wikipedia they have 1000mbps
20100223 21:05:23< Gambit> so your dream lives and disregard all the stuff I said earlier
20100223 21:07:14< Gambit> I <3 google
20100223 21:08:02< Gambit> They're even going to let competition in on their 1gbps networks :O
20100223 21:08:17< Gambit> Which is the main thing with DSL. You want to own the phone lines so that you can kick out competition
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