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20100303 00:01:36< fendrin> boucman: The windmill is an animeted terrain, right? Or is that another mechanism?
20100303 00:01:47< boucman> both :)
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20100303 00:06:45< fendrin> Very good, that means the editor should be able to handle all kinds of wesnoth animations now.
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20100303 06:40:59< esr> gna is still dow, I see.
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20100303 07:48:11< YogiHH> hello
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20100303 10:54:40< Ivanovic> moin
20100303 10:58:05< CIA-88> ivanovic * r41421 /website/start/1.8/ (index.en.html index.gl.html index.var po/gl.po): updated Galician announcement translation
20100303 11:01:31< Ivanovic> yes, svn is finally working again
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20100303 11:22:09< CIA-88> ivanovic * r41422 /trunk/CMakeLists.txt: enable notifications by default in the cmake recipe, too
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20100303 14:50:31< CIA-88> fendrin * r41423 /branches/fendrin_editor/ (17 files in 4 dirs): 
20100303 14:50:31< CIA-88> Implemented the delete label feature by right clicking in label tool mode.
20100303 14:50:31< CIA-88> Implemented undo for all the label features.
20100303 14:50:31< CIA-88> Fixed the ugly segmentation fault that was caused by invalid pointers when copying label objects.
20100303 14:50:31< CIA-88> Many thanks to Crab for his help with the last issue.
20100303 14:52:47< fendrin> YogiHH: Hello, thought you were at work without internet connection?
20100303 15:12:34< YogiHH> fendrin: Yes, that is 4 days a week in Bremen. The remaining day i am in Hamburg visiting my own customer who has not yet blocked webchat.freenode.net. That one day happened to be today ;)
20100303 15:15:52< Ivanovic> :)
20100303 15:16:08< Ivanovic> looks like you need an irc bouncer and some port that is not blocked where you can just connect...
20100303 15:16:09< Ivanovic> ;)
20100303 15:17:25< CIA-88> esr * r41424 /trunk/data/core/macros/interface-utils.cfg: Address bug #15524: spelling error: persistant -> persistent.
20100303 15:17:53< YogiHH> Ivanovic: restrictions in Bremen are pretty tough, i don't think i can get around them
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20100303 15:19:51< Ivanovic> YogiHH: uhm, you could use some port that is most likely allowed outgoing
20100303 15:20:05< Ivanovic> eg the one for ftp (if on the bouncer no ftp server is running)
20100303 15:20:49< YogiHH> Ivanovic: Not sure if anything except port 80 is allowed there
20100303 15:20:59< Ivanovic> okay, that is evil
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20100303 15:22:35< YogiHH> plus they have a censored internet access, which blocks chat, ebay, youtube and a lot of other stuff
20100303 15:22:42< loonycyborg> Use port 80 then :P
20100303 15:23:57< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: first we would need a place where port 80 can be used for irc!
20100303 15:26:07< YogiHH> and finally: After they have made very clear what they don't want, i probably shouldn't try to break that. After all, they are paying 80% of my income atm ;)
20100303 15:27:05< Ivanovic> :)
20100303 15:27:13< Ivanovic> that is a good reason
20100303 15:27:41< loonycyborg> In any case there are ways to bypass that, e.g. VPN.
20100303 15:30:47< fendrin> YogiHH: What kind of company is it you are working for? (the one which blocks the world)
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20100303 15:32:01< loonycyborg> Military related? :P
20100303 15:34:04< Ivanovic> Soliton: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=29059&start=0
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20100303 15:37:30< YogiHH> fendrin: It's a bank, the "Deutsche Schiffsbank"
20100303 15:37:54< fendrin> YogiHH: *g*
20100303 16:00:32< CIA-88> esr * r41425 /trunk/src/shared_object.hpp: 
20100303 16:00:32< CIA-88> Reverting r41355. It interacts badly with stack protection, and the
20100303 16:00:32< CIA-88> person who suggested the change says there are simple workarounds for
20100303 16:00:32< CIA-88> his issue.
20100303 16:21:47< CIA-88> esr * r41426 /trunk/data/core/macros/interface-utils.cfg: Comment trips up wmllint in a way that demonstrates its not needed.
20100303 16:30:47< CIA-88> esr * r41427 /trunk/data/core/units/undead/ (5 files): Somebody used an obsolescent syntax. Cleaned up by wmllint.
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20100303 17:02:30< fendrin> I have a text string "forming action" that is merged into my labels out of nowhere. Greping for it only gives a partial hit in the same code area but it's only a message to stderr. 
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20100303 17:40:54< zookeeper> esr, umm, how sure are you about r41427?
20100303 17:41:27< zookeeper> it's not documented like that in the wiki and grepping src/ still gives several matches for secondary_unit_filter
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20100303 18:22:33< CIA-88> fendrin * r41428 /branches/fendrin_editor/src/editor/ (4 files): Made the map labels stacking to display several concerns at once per hexfield.
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20100303 18:31:05< esr> zookeeper: That name change is in wmllint marked "These changed just after 1.5.0".  There was a big rationalization of filter name tags back then; if the old ones werem't removed from src/, that's a minor bug. 
20100303 18:31:37< fendrin> Doesn't pango work in labels?
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20100303 18:50:01< esr> zookeeper: Actually this is kind of weird.  Before somebody prought it back in a recent set of recruit-animation changes, there were no instances of [secondary_unit_filter] in mainline...yet the C++ was still interpreting it.  I think that means the post-1.5 name change never got quite completed at C++ level.  Will fix.
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20100303 18:51:26< esr> Hello Salwan, how are things in Baghdad?
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20100303 18:53:53< CIA-88> fendrin * r41429 /branches/fendrin_editor/src/editor/map_context.cpp: Labels that mark the units with their id. Not yet stacking.
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20100303 18:55:37< Salwan> hello all
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20100303 19:03:11< fendrin> hi Salwan
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20100303 19:08:44< CIA-88> esr * r41430 /trunk/src/unit_animation.cpp: 
20100303 19:08:44< CIA-88> Fix the C++ animnation-WML interpreter to expect [filter_second]
20100303 19:08:44< CIA-88> rather than [secondary_unit_filter]. This name change was supposed
20100303 19:08:44< CIA-88> to be in 1.5.0, but was either incompletely carried through or
20100303 19:08:44< CIA-88> somebody relapsed while making a later change. Goes with r41427,
20100303 19:08:44< CIA-88> where some instances of this [secondary_unit_filter] re-entered
20100303 19:08:45< CIA-88> mainline by mistake.
20100303 19:19:58< CIA-88> esr * r41431 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: 
20100303 19:19:59< CIA-88> Dollow through on the 1.5.0 name change of [secondary_unit_filter]
20100303 19:19:59< CIA-88> to [filter_second]. This wasb't used anywhere in mainline, and
20100303 19:19:59< CIA-88> wmllint has been lifting it all along.
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20100303 19:25:28< esr> boucman: I found an odd little thing in the animation subsystem.
20100303 19:26:04< boucman> yeah, I wanted to discuss it, but I just arrived home, i'll come back to you a bit later
20100303 19:26:04< esr> See the comment for r41430.
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20100303 19:28:31< boucman> esr, ok you fixed the inconsistancy in the anim engine, thx
20100303 19:28:46< boucman> did you fix the wiki ? (I can do it if you havn't)
20100303 19:28:47< esr> Yeah, I think all is good now.
20100303 19:28:56< esr> I fixed the wiki too.
20100303 19:29:07< boucman> wonderfull :)
20100303 19:29:31< boucman> ok, so I agree with all that you fixed, is there anything more to discuss ? :)
20100303 19:30:14< esr> Don't think so.
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20100303 20:15:44< Sirp> idea: perhaps we should consider moving Wesnoth's server to one that is 64 bit and has more memory. Any thoughts?
20100303 20:22:34< Ivanovic> i don't think 64bit would make a real difference for the wesnoth code
20100303 20:22:39< Ivanovic> though more memory would make lots of sense
20100303 20:24:32< fendrin> Ivanovic: Isn't there a memory limit for 43bit systems? 4GB as far as I know.
20100303 20:24:41< Ivanovic> fendrin: slightly wrong
20100303 20:24:46< fendrin> s/43bit/32bit
20100303 20:24:52< Ivanovic> there is a limit in regards to what one application can use
20100303 20:25:26< Ivanovic> but the system, if built with largemem (or whatever the option was) does support up to 64GB IIRC
20100303 20:26:02< Ivanovic> yes, windows has a limitation in its 32bit systems for desktop users, in the server versions they allow addressing more memory
20100303 20:26:03< fendrin> Well, that is a address translation hack, slowing down the performance. But I don't know if it is relevant.
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20100303 20:26:44< Ivanovic> the slowdown is not *this* huge
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20100303 20:27:10< fendrin> But is there a reason not to switch to 64bit with the memory upgrade?
20100303 20:30:18< Ivanovic> the reason is that we would have to upgrade all of the OS
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20100303 20:30:28< Ivanovic> (and making sure that no data is lost)
20100303 20:35:02< fendrin> wesbot: seen mordante?
20100303 20:35:02< wesbot> fendrin: The person with the nick mordante last spoke 1d 23h ago.  1d 22h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth-de with the message: Quit: Leaving
20100303 20:35:43< fendrin> Ivanovic: Do you know who knows about pango and text rendering?
20100303 20:35:52< Ivanovic> mordante
20100303 20:37:27< CIA-88> fendrin * r41432 /branches/fendrin_editor/src/editor/map_context.cpp: Made the unit id labels stacking.
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20100303 20:42:13< fendrin> hi Crab_
20100303 20:42:22< Crab_> hi, fendrin
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20100303 20:44:31< fendrin> hi mordante
20100303 20:44:34< mordante> servus
20100303 20:44:40< mordante> hi fendrin 
20100303 20:45:17< fendrin> mordante: A question about pango, shouldn't it work in map labels? I have found a forum thread that told it to do.
20100303 20:45:33< mordante> which thread?
20100303 20:46:46< fendrin> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=27802
20100303 20:46:56< CIA-88> boucman * r41433 /branches/water_animation/ (51 files in 3 dirs): new terrain snow fort and snow keep
20100303 20:48:51< fendrin> boucman: The editor branch is now stable enough to be usefull as an animated terrain testground.
20100303 20:50:31< boucman> fendrin: that's cool, but i'd still rather stay in my branch... currently the water transitions are very incomplete, and it's too ugly
20100303 20:51:42< mordante> fendrin, I don't know the answer, I only added pango support to the parts I converted to gui2, but since Ken_Oh claims it's not done I believe him ;-)
20100303 20:52:12< mordante> fendrin,  silene converted several other parts to use pango instead of the old markup, so maybe ask him
20100303 20:53:01< fendrin> mordante: It is the last post from soliton who claims to be able to color labels that got my attention. That is exactly what I want to do. 
20100303 20:53:15< fendrin> mordante: What needs to be done to implement pango support?
20100303 20:54:27< mordante> fendrin, I don't know which way Soliton used to colour the labels, old markup or pango
20100303 20:54:51< fendrin> mordante: Where can I find the old markup syntax?
20100303 20:55:06< mordante> fendrin, no not sure what needs to be changed to support pango in the old gui parts, best ask silene since he worked on it
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20100303 20:56:08< fendrin> hi YogiHH
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20100303 20:56:13< mordante> parse_markup in marked-up_text.cpp contains the parser for the markup not sure whether the text on the wiki is complete
20100303 20:56:18< YogiHH> hi fendrin
20100303 20:56:32< mordante> hi YogiHH 
20100303 20:56:45< YogiHH> hey mordante
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20100303 21:29:54< fendrin> Soliton: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=393674#p393674 How did you manage to code the labels?
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20100303 21:37:52< Soliton> fendrin: well, put pango markup in them.
20100303 21:38:36< fendrin> Soliton: "<span size=\"larger\">Unit id: </span>" ?
20100303 21:39:31< fendrin> Soliton: Did that work out of the file with wml coding or ingame or both?
20100303 21:40:02< Soliton> i just tried from ingame.
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20100303 21:42:02< lucifernando> hi
20100303 21:42:36< lucifernando> Is the Easy Coding page updated?
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20100303 21:43:08< Ivanovic> it should be rather up to date
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20100303 21:43:19< Ivanovic> that is IIRC boucman went over easy coding on sunday
20100303 21:43:38< boucman> I did, but I was not able to assert the status of all proposals...
20100303 21:43:42< lucifernando> nice
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20100303 21:44:35< Crab_> about ai-related stuff on easycoding: it's up to date, but the wording could be a lot better in some places
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20100303 21:45:24< Ivanovic> lucifernando: before working on something you should ask about it in here
20100303 21:45:35< Ivanovic> especially since some of us might be able to give good pointers
20100303 21:45:36< Crab_> lucifernando: also, take a look at bug https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?14114 - it can be reproduced in the tutorial, and it can be fixed pretty easily.
20100303 21:45:56< Crab_> (launch with -d, and, in scenario 2 of the tutorial, recruit a 'wrong' unit)
20100303 21:49:18< lucifernando> thanks Crab, I'll check this bug
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20100303 21:51:54< Soliton> fendrin: note that in WML strings quotes are represented as "".
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20100303 21:53:47< fendrin> Soliton: It's not working for me.
20100303 21:55:15< lucifernando> I'm going to take a look at the ulfserker AI problem too
20100303 21:55:19< lucifernando> is it still open?
20100303 21:56:25< Crab_> yes, but it's harder to fix, because it needs an *idea* first, and implementation second...
20100303 21:57:20< fendrin> Crab_, lucifernando: The ai doesn't know about the berserk thing?
20100303 21:57:33< Crab_> fendrin: the ai worships chance-to-kill.
20100303 21:58:10< Crab_> fendrin: so, at agression 0.5, it attacks with berserk if it has >33% chance to kill.
20100303 21:58:22< Crab_> fendrin: also note bug https://gna.org/bugs/?14076
20100303 21:58:53< Ivanovic> the ai knows how deadly berserk is
20100303 21:59:05< Crab_> basically, the goal is "make the ai kill more stuff with ulf than the ulf costs"
20100303 21:59:59< fendrin> Crab_: Nicely said :-)
20100303 22:00:14< lucifernando> so AI berserkers right now are suicidal =)
20100303 22:00:18< Crab_> yes
20100303 22:00:31< lucifernando> they try to get a kill like other units
20100303 22:00:39< lucifernando> but forget that they die if they don't get the kill
20100303 22:00:45< boucman> well, I think the first move would be to push ulfs to play last... so there are more "almost dead" units to target...
20100303 22:01:02< boucman> however tweaking the playing order of AI is tricky...
20100303 22:01:20< Crab_> nowadays, the whole ai is suicidal.
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20100303 22:01:55< Crab_> boucman: 'move ulfs last' is easy enough - just disallow attack with ulfs and handle them 'by hand' just-after-combat
20100303 22:02:37< Soliton> fendrin: r39830
20100303 22:03:00< boucman> how do you disallow the AI to play a unit ? 
20100303 22:03:09< boucman> is there a way to tell the c++ ai about that ?
20100303 22:03:34< Crab_> boucman: see data/ai/scenarios/ai_arena_small/0004-filtered_combat.cfg
20100303 22:04:13< Crab_> we can make the c++ attack phase 'do not attack with units matching SUF'
20100303 22:04:17< Soliton> fendrin: WML set labels should be allowed to use color markup though.
20100303 22:04:38< fendrin> wesbot: log revision 39839
20100303 22:04:46< fendrin> wesbot: log revision 39830
20100303 22:04:52< fendrin> wesbot: I hate you.
20100303 22:05:10< Soliton> wesbot: log 39830
20100303 22:05:11< boucman> Crab_: that's pretty cool, we can try my idea of having skirms attack last and see if it helps :)
20100303 22:05:12< wesbot> soliton * r39830 : disable markup in labels if a colour is specifiedthis prevents making map labels appear to come from a different side(again) fixes bug #13678: label color can be faked with WML markup
20100303 22:05:16< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=39830
20100303 22:05:56< wesbot> fendrin: I hate you too
20100303 22:06:25< Soliton> fendrin: i believe from the WML side there is some colour attribute, no?
20100303 22:06:41< boucman> crimson_penguin: around ?
20100303 22:06:47< crimson_penguin> yeah
20100303 22:06:49< Soliton> so you don't need to use markup.
20100303 22:07:06< fendrin> wesbot: good to know. That lightens my conscience and I can hate you in peace.
20100303 22:07:17< boucman> I heard from rhyging5, he does see the water animated, but not the beaches... 
20100303 22:07:25< Crab_> boucman: right now 'attacks' is a 'global aspect', so for 'skirms attack last' we need to code a attack phase for skirms by hand, or use some lua trickery to get it right
20100303 22:07:29< fendrin> Soliton: Yes, but that is not enough for me. I need several colors in one label.
20100303 22:07:45< boucman> did you test your release (in case I did a stupid mistake in my branch) or is this thing getting more and more mysterious ?
20100303 22:08:00< Rhonda> wesbot: reload
20100303 22:08:00< wesbot> Rhonda: Who are you to use that tone on me??
20100303 22:08:11< Rhonda> wesbot: your mistress, you stupid thing!
20100303 22:08:20< crimson_penguin> boucman: I didn't test
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20100303 22:08:32< Rhonda> wesbot: reload
20100303 22:08:33< wesbot> Rhonda: Who are you to use that tone on me??
20100303 22:08:39< boucman> could you test quickly if you still have it around ? 
20100303 22:09:01< crimson_penguin> I'm pretty sure my copy is still the modified one - what's the quickest way to test?
20100303 22:09:16< crimson_penguin> I guess MP -> local game > some map with beaches?
20100303 22:09:39< boucman> yes, but i'm not sure which one would work, I usualy test with a map I create
20100303 22:09:45< boucman> i'll have a quick look
20100303 22:09:50< fendrin> Soliton: And I am coding the labels out of c++ not wml.
20100303 22:11:13< boucman> crimson_penguin: random generated as island is probably the quickest way
20100303 22:11:15< Soliton> well, then just make sure color == LABEL_COLOUR.
20100303 22:11:20< crimson_penguin> oh, ok
20100303 22:12:04< crimson_penguin> I don't seem to have Island
20100303 22:12:12< crimson_penguin> only Desert, Marsh and Winter
20100303 22:12:24< boucman> click on settings, bottom slider
20100303 22:12:28< crimson_penguin> oh, right
20100303 22:13:29< crimson_penguin> ok, so are beaches supposed to have some special animation? I only see the regular animation
20100303 22:14:09< Rhonda> wesbot: log revision 39839
20100303 22:14:11< boucman> the new beaches only exist for transitions where land is north of water
20100303 22:14:21< Rhonda> ah
20100303 22:14:24< boucman> and you should recognise them, they look very different
20100303 22:14:34< boucman> (and are animated every couple of seconds)
20100303 22:15:07< Rhonda> wesbot: reload
20100303 22:15:07< wesbot> Rhonda: Who are you to use that tone on me??
20100303 22:15:19< Rhonda> fendrin: it seems to hate me, tooo
20100303 22:15:30< Rhonda> wesbot: log revision 39839
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20100303 22:15:37< crimson_penguin> boucman: http://64.201.60.211/web/beach.png ?
20100303 22:15:42 * Rhonda scratches her head
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20100303 22:15:55< boucman> crimson_penguin: nope
20100303 22:16:00< boucman> gimme a sec
20100303 22:16:13< Rhonda> wesbot: log 39839
20100303 22:16:13< wesbot> fendrin * r39839 : Implemented constructors for the left right wrapper classes.
20100303 22:16:16< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=39839
20100303 22:17:32< crimson_penguin> http://64.201.60.211/web/beach2.png ?
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20100303 22:19:05< Rhonda> fendrin: Sorry, can't make it to listen to log revision # right now, did drink two beer and can't seem to wrap my head around it ...
20100303 22:19:21< Rhonda> And it doesn't want to listen to me anyway.
20100303 22:19:59< shadowmaster> shikadibot could do it if you are too desperate ;)
20100303 22:20:16< boucman> crimson_penguin: http://imagebin.org/87395
20100303 22:20:39< fendrin> Soliton: That won't solve my problem. I need a label that is half that and half this color.
20100303 22:21:15< Soliton> so write markup for that.
20100303 22:22:15< fendrin> What kind of markup do you mean?
20100303 22:22:33< crimson_penguin> boucman: well then I think mine's broken; http://64.201.60.211/web/broken.png
20100303 22:22:43< Soliton> the kind that changes colors.
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20100303 22:23:04< boucman> indeed
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20100303 22:25:46< fendrin> Soliton: You confuse me :-) Why not using pano and reinventing the wheel?
20100303 22:26:01< Soliton> why not indeed!
20100303 22:26:04< boucman> crimson_penguin: could you do an update/build/test quickly ?
20100303 22:26:11< Soliton> especially since that is already supported.
20100303 22:26:31< Soliton> i guess you didn't look at the revision i posted.
20100303 22:26:45< Soliton> just try pango markup with team labels.
20100303 22:27:09< crimson_penguin> boucman: well, wouldn't that remove all the changes?
20100303 22:27:41< boucman> crimson_penguin: not if your checkout is base on the water_animation branch
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20100303 22:28:31< crimson_penguin> well it's not, but I guess I could switch it
20100303 22:29:32< boucman> ?? how did you build the build for rhyging5 then ?
20100303 22:30:16< fendrin> Soliton: I did but it takes some time to understand ...
20100303 22:30:51< crimson_penguin> boucman: I just took that zip from you and copied the file in
20100303 22:31:27< boucman> hmm, that was old stufff but should have you
20100303 22:31:28< Soliton> it's 3 lines, 2 of which are comments. :-P
20100303 22:31:32< boucman> have woked
20100303 22:32:13< boucman> crimson_penguin: if you have the time, i'd like you to checkout the water_animation branch (or switch your existing branch, whatever is less bother for you) build and test...
20100303 22:32:44< crimson_penguin> hmm, I'd kinda rather not right now, but later I could
20100303 22:33:02< boucman> crimson_penguin: ok, 
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20100303 22:33:16< boucman> i'll tell rhyging5 that we're on it
20100303 22:33:17< crimson_penguin> did you want me to just test though, or also upload if it works?
20100303 22:36:06< fendrin> Soliton: You wrote the commit and know the context. 
20100303 22:37:11< Sirp> Ivanovic: the nice thing about 64 bit is that address space is suddenly free
20100303 22:37:39< Sirp> and most applications allocate significantly more memory than they actually use.
20100303 22:38:42< CIA-88> boucman * r41434 /branches/water_animation/data/core/ (terrain-graphics/forests.cfg terrain-graphics.cfg): remove some useless anim modifications
20100303 22:43:20< Soliton> fendrin: well, as i said just try team labels and notice that it works there.
20100303 22:44:13< fendrin> Soliton: Oh a misunderstanding. I thought you are refering to the team labels class.
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20100303 22:47:59< fendrin> Soliton: Got the code now and team labels are working with pango ingame. I think I can use that feature for my purposes. Thank you for your patience.
20100303 22:48:48< Soliton> no problem.
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20100303 22:50:02< CIA-88> boucman * r41435 /branches/water_animation/data/core/terrain-graphics.cfg: fill a glitch with hills being submerged
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20100303 22:52:42< mordante> I'm off night
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20100303 22:55:07< mordante> Ivanovic, it seems the change to make notifications enable by default breaks if you don't have dbus-1 installed
20100303 22:55:31< mordante> Ivanovic, I think it would be cleaner to disable it if the package isn't installed, just like fribidi
20100303 22:55:44< Ivanovic> mordante: is this not was is/was already done?
20100303 22:56:28< mordante> Ivanovic, no 
20100303 22:56:35< Ivanovic> ugh, okay
20100303 22:57:06< Ivanovic> then it should behave like with fribidi
20100303 22:57:52< mordante> who'll change it me or you?
20100303 22:58:54< Ivanovic> ah, i'll leave it for you
20100303 22:59:04< Ivanovic> what is the status regarding the treeview crash?
20100303 22:59:10< Ivanovic> any news on that one?
20100303 22:59:30< Ivanovic> currently the trunk mp lobby crashes with an assert
20100303 22:59:47< Ivanovic> when clicking on the expand button for the players on server list
20100303 23:01:03< mordante> haven't done much on it yet, I've been working on reviewing and getting the code proper again
20100303 23:01:31< mordante> it contains a lot of ugly (and probably buggy) parts since it was a kind of rush job
20100303 23:01:50< mordante> so want to clean the code before trying to fix the bugs
20100303 23:02:16< Ivanovic> what do you think is the chance of eg having stuff releasable on saturday or sunday?
20100303 23:03:45< Ivanovic> i'd really like to get the hopefully last beta out this weekend
20100303 23:03:56< Ivanovic> if it works i'd like to have the rc out a week later
20100303 23:04:21< Ivanovic> and if that works i hope to tag the week after (announcing one week later)
20100303 23:04:34< Ivanovic> yes, this is a best case asumption
20100303 23:07:06< mordante> depends there's still a problem that the gamelist accesses an index out of bounds, which ilor was looking into
20100303 23:08:33< mordante> and the lobby seems to have some resize problems which trigger every now and then, not sure why, I've some suspicions but the out of bounds bug often causes a crash before I can verify the cause :-(
20100303 23:08:57< mordante> but I think I can do some work on the lobby to fix several issues 
20100303 23:09:12< mordante> after which we should triage the open bugs for the lobby
20100303 23:09:44< mordante> and personally I would love it if the lobby gets a bit more testing from developers before tagging another beta
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20100303 23:10:18< mordante> even if the testing is running it for a longer time on its own
20100303 23:10:38< mordante> and have a look at it every five minutes
20100303 23:10:54< mordante> just to make sure there are no more unexpected crashes or redraw glitches
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20100303 23:11:38< Ivanovic> mordante: send a mail to the dev-ml asking for this!
20100303 23:11:49< Ivanovic> since it became active again lately this might be the best thing to do
20100303 23:11:51< Ivanovic> ;)
20100303 23:12:26< Ivanovic> though one problem is that on the trunk server you don't find many games, so glitches are not obvious
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20100303 23:13:12< mordante> the glitches also show on the 1.6 server ;-)
20100303 23:13:34< mordante> I hope that gets more testing as asking on irc...
20100303 23:13:52< mordante> but before I ask I rather fix the known issues
20100303 23:13:58< Ivanovic> :)
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20100303 23:16:45< lucifernando> hey guys, I have a question
20100303 23:16:57< Crab_> yes ?
20100303 23:17:02< lucifernando> sometimes there are hard-coded GUI strings on wesnoth code
20100303 23:17:07< lucifernando> for example:
20100303 23:17:33< lucifernando> message << _("My lord, this unit is loyal and requires no upkeep! ") << (u.gender() == unit_race::MALE ? _("Do you really want to dismiss him?")
20100303 23:17:50< lucifernando> on src/menu_events.cpp
20100303 23:18:15< lucifernando> yet, when I change the language
20100303 23:18:43< lucifernando> for this specific message, the message changes too
20100303 23:18:47< Crab_> '_'  is a macro
20100303 23:18:50< Ivanovic> not every translation is complete!
20100303 23:19:04< fendrin> mordante: What do you think of a script controlled bot wesnoth that connects to the lobby and does some stuff to test it?
20100303 23:19:05< Ivanovic> and strings marked with an underscore are the ones that are translateable
20100303 23:19:10< Ivanovic> gettext magic!
20100303 23:19:25< lucifernando> ah!
20100303 23:19:38< lucifernando> gettext you said?
20100303 23:19:42< Ivanovic> for c++ code this means strings like this _("my string") are translateable
20100303 23:20:00< Ivanovic> ('my string' is the translateable part in the context)
20100303 23:20:39< mordante> Ivanovic, can you test this patch, it works when libdbus-1 isn't installed http://paste.debian.net/62320/
20100303 23:21:01< lucifernando> didn't know the underscore was a macro =)
20100303 23:21:51< mordante> fendrin, kind of hard since most tests are visual, some test might be automated if we had a framework to send events to widgets
20100303 23:22:35< mordante> fendrin, shouldn't be too hard to add for gui2 since the events can easily be faked, but adding that framework will take too much time for now
20100303 23:23:43< fendrin> mordante: I see.
20100303 23:24:14< fendrin> mordante: And fake ones that do nothing just to test huge amounts of users?
20100303 23:24:41< mordante> but maybe for the future, but then we need to test on a local server and have a way to test the data on the screen
20100303 23:25:35< mordante> fendrin, also hard since I need to test how the lobby works under typical usage and I've no idea how to properly fake that
20100303 23:26:06< mordante> things like turns changing games added, removed same for players, chatting going on etc
20100303 23:26:14< Crab_> mordante: can't you enter the old MP server with a new lobby ?
20100303 23:26:35< mordante> of course it would be possible to emulate but that will take some time
20100303 23:26:50< mordante> Crab_, if you modify your version number yes, why?
20100303 23:27:37< Crab_> mordante: well, then you'll be able to see how the new lobby behaves with the large number of players
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20100303 23:28:22< mordante> Crab_, yes that's what I'm doing at the moment, but fendrin was talking about automating the testing
20100303 23:28:41< mordante> that will be hard since you need to know what the lobby should look at a certain point
20100303 23:29:08< mordante> and that's not possible with random users using the lobby for playing game
20100303 23:29:53< mordante> it's just that I like to have more testers after the known bugs are fixed
20100303 23:30:25< Crab_> well, I think that the biggest problem is with making gui2 scriptable, to allow a 'test script' to execute the same commands as a user would execute... but this is hard to do now. so, manual testing would be easier
20100303 23:31:22< mordante> yup I think it's easier with gui2 since you can fake events without using SDL events
20100303 23:31:44< mordante> but still you need to add a framework to read and execute the script
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20100303 23:32:14< mordante> and once the script is done, compare the state with the expected state
20100303 23:32:46< mordante> but I've seen a presentation of CDash and that allows to compare screenshots, which might serve our needs
20100303 23:32:55< mordante> but I haven't had time to look further into it
20100303 23:33:08< mordante> but if that works it would make a lot of testing easier
20100303 23:33:21< mordante> fendrin, you read the CDash part?
20100303 23:33:40< Crab_> well, we don't need to compare screenshots if the test will be able to 'query' the state of the game from within it.
20100303 23:34:42< Crab_> and, basically, most of our bugs today are segfaults, so it's pretty easy to check if wesnoth is still alive after test, or not
20100303 23:36:13< mordante> true but we also want to add more "unit tests" test whether events are triggered when a unit reaches foo
20100303 23:36:34< mordante> like go to the next scenario and recall bar
20100303 23:36:48< mordante> then you can compare screenshots to see whether bar is really there
20100303 23:37:36< mordante> and if those tests can be automated it will be easier to detect those problems before a release
20100303 23:37:38< Crab_> yes, possible.. but I was thinking about a different route.. basically, separate the game logic from presentation, to allow a 'non-gui frontend' for user input
20100303 23:38:34< mordante> I'm thinking about that as well but still use the gui/screenshot to test whether we have a regression
20100303 23:39:22< mordante> so the script tells the unit to move to foo, which triggers an end of scenario, then in the next scenario bar gets recalled
20100303 23:39:47< mordante> if in the screenshot the recall list is transferred properly if not we have a regression
20100303 23:40:32< Crab_> well, isn't it easier to just query the recall list directly ?
20100303 23:40:54< Crab_> or, you're about gui regressions ?
20100303 23:41:31< mordante> actually both kind of regressions
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20100303 23:42:15< mordante> in this case you could query the recall list
20100303 23:42:42< mordante> but we also have more complex things like filters for events in moveto 
20100303 23:43:05< mordante> and not everything in the gamestate is easy to query
20100303 23:43:19< Crab_> for example, what is hard to query ?
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20100303 23:45:19< mordante> like whether a dialog is shown under certain conditions or not
20100303 23:45:52< mordante> menus can have custom items depending on filters
20100303 23:46:26< mordante> and if you use screenshot test you can use the same test framework to test visual regressions
20100303 23:46:37< fendrin> mordante: no
20100303 23:47:03< mordante> fendrin, you might want to read the log, might be a way for your unit tests as well
20100303 23:47:56< Crab_> yes, to allow dialogs to be tested we need either screenshots, or a way to 'send' any dialog as a "notification about dialog" to a c++ code 
20100303 23:48:20< mordante> but of course we can also add ways to query states which can't be queried at the moment, but doing it visually feels easier to implement
20100303 23:48:22< Crab_> i.e., "add a way to play wesnoth from console"
20100303 23:48:38< fendrin> mordante: Right, that will come in handy. Not for every case but some.
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20100303 23:49:35< Crab_> yes, we should think about it more in 1.9. some automation framework will be a good thing to have.
20100303 23:49:36< Crab_> good night
20100303 23:49:47< mordante> Crab_, yes the "send a dialog to the console" would also be possible
20100303 23:49:53< mordante> night Crab_ 
20100303 23:50:20< mordante> Ivanovic, can you leave the test results in the log or commit the patch if it works?
20100303 23:50:25< mordante> I'm off now, night
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