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20100310 00:11:55< Ivanovic> esr, shadowm_laptop, anyone who sees noy when he is around next: could you ping noy so that he tells me the linkid of his account at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/home/google/gsoc2010  (best via a query since i can't miss it there) so that i can enter him as backup admin
20100310 00:12:42< Ivanovic> i am off to bed now, n8
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20100310 00:15:23< shadowmaster> k
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20100310 00:19:44< noy> Ivanovic: got the message... anything I should know?
20100310 00:20:03< noy> nm got it
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20100310 02:03:05< fendrin> Gambit: Answered your forum post.
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20100310 03:29:00< titouu> Hi, anyone has builded 1.7.13 in windows???
20100310 03:29:05< titouu> built**
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20100310 03:40:36< titouu> I'm getting an error [Access violation]
20100310 03:41:03< titouu> and I'm not sure if its just windows, my version or a real bug...
20100310 04:03:45< shadowmaster> titouu: 1.7.14 was released
20100310 04:04:17< shadowmaster> and building in Windows is very problematic AFAIK; you may prefer to use the released version instead (unless you are trying out a patch or writing C++ code of your own...)
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20100310 04:26:06< titouu> I'm writing some code actually
20100310 04:26:27< titouu> so I need building capabilities
20100310 04:26:47< titouu> I managed to solve it but I'm not sure is the good way to go, I submitted a bug thou
20100310 04:27:11< shadowmaster> hnm loonycyborg is the Windows packager an he's better at this kind of stuff than I, mere Linux user.
20100310 04:27:19< shadowmaster> *and
20100310 04:28:23< titouu> mmm ok, thanx anyway
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20100310 05:07:15< shadowmaster> ho, even phpBB has decided to abandon SVN
20100310 05:07:32< shadowmaster> http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2015905
20100310 05:08:30< shadowmaster> hm, this could mean that I'd just branch on top of tags our custom changes
20100310 05:19:10< CIA-88> fendrin * r41527 /branches/fendrin_editor/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): 
20100310 05:19:10< CIA-88> Tuned the village ownership feature to a usable degree.
20100310 05:19:10< CIA-88> undo/redo still missing.
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20100310 05:52:27< CIA-88> fendrin * r41528 /branches/fendrin_editor/src/editor/ (action.cpp editor_display.cpp): Fixed the loading of maps that contain preset ownerships of the villages.
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20100310 06:13:06< CIA-88> fendrin * r41529 /branches/fendrin_editor/src/editor/editor_display.cpp: Implemented a unit counter.
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20100310 07:25:42< CIA-88> fendrin * r41530 /branches/fendrin_editor/images/editor/tool-overlay-village.png: Overlay image for the editor village ownership tool.
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20100310 08:31:35< CIA-88> fendrin * r41531 /branches/fendrin_editor/src/editor/ (editor_display.cpp mouse_action.cpp mouse_action.hpp): Implemented unit facing selector.
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20100310 08:58:36< Crab__> wesbot: seen titouu
20100310 08:58:36< wesbot> Crab__: The person with the nick titouu last spoke 4h 30m ago.  2h 43m ago they left with the message: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
20100310 08:59:22< Crab__> titouu: I've built wesnoth 1.7.13+svn using MSVC recently (a week ago)
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20100310 10:59:09< Ivanovic> moin
20100310 11:20:57< Ivanovic> esr: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=413932#p413932
20100310 11:54:09< fendrin> hi Ivanovic
20100310 11:54:30< fendrin> Ivanovic, AI0867 spotted that LoW is broken in 1.7.14.
20100310 11:54:55< Ivanovic> broken as in?
20100310 11:55:15< fendrin> The first scenario can't be beaten.
20100310 11:55:24< Ivanovic> not nice
20100310 11:55:43< fendrin> The position to end the scenario is not in place. It's very near to the starting position but hard to find.
20100310 11:55:49< Ivanovic> was it this bug? https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?15564
20100310 11:56:11< Ivanovic> and yeah, this change definitley should be added to the changelog!!!
20100310 11:56:15< fendrin> Jepp, that is it.
20100310 11:56:25< Ivanovic> (the fix that is)
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20100310 12:25:36< Ivanovic> off to uni, cu
20100310 12:26:41< shadowmaster> mwahaha
20100310 12:26:52< shadowmaster> so there's another release with a major blocker bug!
20100310 12:29:59< Rhonda> *blinks*
20100310 12:32:01< fendrin> shadowmaster: :-P
20100310 12:32:21< shadowmaster> well, "normal" bug that still makes LoW completely useless for players who haven't played it already or want to start scenario 1 over
20100310 12:33:24< fendrin> shadowmaster: It's realy annyoing since I would liked to have some feedback for the multiplayer part.
20100310 12:34:02< zookeeper> better to at least post a prominent fix on the forums for that
20100310 12:34:21< fendrin> 1.7.14 isn't shiped yet.
20100310 12:34:26< shadowmaster> yeah, just a pat- the fixed scenario 1 should do it
20100310 12:34:37< shadowmaster> fendrin: it is
20100310 12:34:51< fendrin> And it's only one file that doesn't need any compilation.
20100310 12:34:55< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=29127 (where have you been?? ;)
20100310 12:43:44< shadowmaster> fendrin: can you confirm that there's no bug in DM re http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=29134 and that I can just move it to Strategy & Tips?
20100310 12:44:40< shadowmaster> or move it yourself if you get the time after my battery runs out
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20100310 12:50:18< fendrin> shadowmaster: That bug was present but is fixed since several versions. No idea if it has to be moved in that case.
20100310 12:50:39< shadowmaster> okay, some bug. Talk with the player then or something
20100310 12:51:04< shadowmaster> or maybe I should just slap him on the face with the FORUM RULES which I didn't hang at the top just for fun...
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20100310 12:56:11< fendrin> shadowmaster: Ask him about the version that fails please.
20100310 13:00:22< CIA-88> fendrin * r41532 /branches/fendrin_editor/src/editor/mouse_action.cpp: Fixed units facing not changing when draged to northwest.
20100310 13:10:25< CIA-88> jetryl * r41533 /trunk/data/core/images/attacks/staff-magic.png: Better magic staff icon for human mages.
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20100310 13:36:35< shadowmaster> well, I'm on a superb connection and still DNS lookups for wesnoth.org can spontaneously fail...what the
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20100310 16:30:22< Ivanovic> re
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20100310 16:47:29< Ivanovic> fendrin: uhm, 1.7.14 is shipped for some time already
20100310 16:47:36< Ivanovic> announced it yesterday in the afternoon
20100310 16:47:37< Ivanovic> ;)
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20100310 17:00:48< shadowmaster> ah well, I'd forgotten that the DNS *is* flaky here
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20100310 19:26:03< Smar> shadowmaster: just use proper dns servers or root nameservers :P
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20100310 19:26:44< shadowmaster> too lazy to change the DNS config
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20100310 19:26:59< shadowmaster> yes, I know it's just matter of replacing the contents of /etc/resolv.conf.
20100310 19:27:08< Smar> :D
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20100310 19:56:38< noy> wesbot: seen mordante?
20100310 19:56:39< wesbot> noy: The person with the nick mordante last spoke 1d 23h ago.  1d 23h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth-de with the message: Quit: Leaving
20100310 19:57:01< Ivanovic> noy: mordante does always read the logs, so feel free to just leave him a note
20100310 19:57:23< noy> who else might it be useful to ping?
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20100310 20:23:07< CIA-88> ivanovic * r41535 /website/start/1.8/po/ja.po: updated Japanese announcement translation, not complete enough for .html generation
20100310 20:24:20< Ivanovic> noy: just do a "verbose ping" aka question for everyone right here in the chan
20100310 20:24:24< Ivanovic> anyone could answer
20100310 20:24:26< Ivanovic> ;)
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20100310 20:26:09< noy> So I have a possible idea for GSOC candidates: true "wrap around" maps, which are basically an infinite loops.  
20100310 20:26:30< CIA-88> ivanovic * r41536 /trunk/data/core/images/ (24 files in 2 dirs): 
20100310 20:26:30< CIA-88> ran utils/wesnoth-optipng on the new files
20100310 20:26:30< CIA-88> Overall statistics (only for files with a smaller recompressed size):
20100310 20:26:30< CIA-88> Original size: 145 KiB on 23 files
20100310 20:26:30< CIA-88> Optimized size: 142 KiB
20100310 20:26:31< CIA-88> Total saving: 2 KiB = 1% decrease
20100310 20:26:38< noy> I know its possible to do this with teleporters, but its ugly and it doesn't play correctly 
20100310 20:27:16< CIA-88> ivanovic * r41537 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): updated Japanese translation
20100310 20:28:02< noy> Rather I'm suggesting we include the possibility so that edges of maps can connect to other sides.
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20100310 22:05:48< Rhonda> oh, ah
20100310 22:05:50< Rhonda> Ivanovic?
20100310 22:06:53< Rhonda> Is there going to be another release rushed because of the LoW issue?
20100310 22:07:15< Rhonda> fendrin: And your mentioning of multiplayer part, is that also LoW related? Is that a multiplayer campaign?!
20100310 22:08:01< fendrin> Rhonda: Yes, Low is a multiplayer campaign and a single player pampaign.
20100310 22:08:33< shadowmaster> it's a MP campaign only in debug mode
20100310 22:08:51< Crab_> Rhonda: well, LoW issue can be solved with a 'download a single 18kb file'. why solve it with a 'download a many-Mb new release' ?
20100310 22:08:52< shadowmaster> or that's what I heard. Somehow "MP" and "debug mode" doesn't sound right
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20100310 22:10:09< fendrin> shadowmaster: It's no longer debug mode only.
20100310 22:10:29< shadowmaster> are you talking about a "feature"? ;)
20100310 22:10:50< fendrin> Well, only a non working one.
20100310 22:10:53< shadowmaster> well, LoW is pretty much a special case on its own so whatever
20100310 22:10:53< fendrin> :-P
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20100310 22:11:13< fendrin> Why is it a special case?
20100310 22:11:36< Rhonda> Crab_: Can you hint me into that 18kb file? I would like to at least roll out an update in Debian. I am working on a new package anyway.
20100310 22:11:49< shadowmaster> it has its own sanity check target
20100310 22:12:11< Rhonda> fendrin: "a multiplayer campaign and a single player campaign"? I don't understand, how can it be both?
20100310 22:12:13< Crab_> Rhonda: data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/01_The_Uprooting.cfg
20100310 22:12:24< Rhonda> Crab_: Thanks, will fetch that. :)
20100310 22:12:42< Crab_> wesbot: log 41525
20100310 22:12:46< wesbot> ai0867 * r41525 : Remove some debug code that placed the goal in LoW:01 next to your starting position
20100310 22:12:49< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=41525
20100310 22:13:08< fendrin> Rhonda: It is not the first campaign that is both. 
20100310 22:13:40< fendrin> Rhonda: Do you expect coding details?
20100310 22:14:10< fendrin> Rhonda: It is done mostly by #IFDEF MULTIPLAYER 
20100310 22:14:18< Rhonda> fendrin: No, I wonder how to enter the MP part.
20100310 22:14:29< Rhonda> i.e. how to start it so that one can play it together with someone else.
20100310 22:14:36< Rhonda> … potentially over the net.
20100310 22:15:05< Rhonda> oh
20100310 22:15:12< Rhonda> #TODO remove debug thing
20100310 22:15:13< Rhonda> :D
20100310 22:15:31< fendrin> Argggghhh
20100310 22:16:19< shadowmaster> haha
20100310 22:16:55< Rhonda> The fix is pretty obvious when one opens the file, I'd say. ;)
20100310 22:17:22< fendrin> Shut up!
20100310 22:17:53< fendrin> Rhonda: Log in the server and create a new game.
20100310 22:17:57 * Rhonda pets fendrin
20100310 22:18:13< fendrin> Rhonda: You will find a scenario that is called "Legend of Wesmere". 
20100310 22:18:26< fendrin> Rhonda: Or try a multiplayer local game.
20100310 22:19:01< shadowmaster> fgrep -RIi 'todo'  src/  is fun too
20100310 22:19:23< Crab_> shadowmaster: yeah. there was a todo from 2003, last time I've checked.
20100310 22:19:33< shadowmaster> B[B[B[B[Bno, better s/todo/hack/
20100310 22:20:09< fendrin> I realy wish that there would be a rereleased 1.7.14 because it seems to be the last chance to get feedback for the multiplayer campaign feature. If there is anything left it will need to wait for wesnoth 1.10. 
20100310 22:20:17< Crab_> shadowmaster: my favourite comment is in src/attack_prediction.cpp:763
20100310 22:20:31< Crab_> fendrin: can't you re-release LoW1 as an addon ?
20100310 22:21:23< fendrin> hhhmmmmm
20100310 22:21:34< shadowmaster> Crab_: it was probably from rusty
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20100310 22:22:29< shadowmaster> he appears to have had the habit of leaving some strange comments in the code (also in src/sound.cpp 173)
20100310 22:23:02< Crab_> yeah, a good one :)
20100310 22:23:55< CIA-88> fendrin * r41538 /branches/fendrin_editor/ (7 files in 3 dirs): 
20100310 22:23:55< CIA-88> Code cleanups.
20100310 22:23:55< CIA-88> Tuned the interface.
20100310 22:23:55< CIA-88> I call it final for the prototype now.
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20100310 22:26:00< gabm> Hi
20100310 22:26:16< fendrin> zookeeper: Do you have time to help me?
20100310 22:26:19< Crab_> hi, gabm
20100310 22:26:26< gabm> Hi Crab
20100310 22:26:57< gabm> I need input from some MP dev on my GSoC idea (see https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-dev/2010-03/msg00001.html)
20100310 22:27:00< zookeeper> fendrin, a bit...what do you need?
20100310 22:27:38< gabm> Before I make a nice wiki page and all that, I prefer to know that at least one MP dev approves of the idea ;)
20100310 22:29:09< gabm> Can someone remind me who are the multiplayer devs BTW?
20100310 22:29:47< shadowmaster> uh, eh
20100310 22:30:29< shadowmaster> unit and Soliton are the main MP devs AFAICT
20100310 22:30:36< shadowmaster> I mean noy, not unit
20100310 22:31:23< fendrin> zookeeper: I have a autogenerated side setup with units but it is not working.
20100310 22:31:50< zookeeper> what gabm's idea brings to my mind is lines drawn across the map showing the path each unit has moved so far on the current turn
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20100310 22:32:50< gabm> shadowmaster: thanks
20100310 22:32:55< zookeeper> like the foot markers, except TC'd thick semi-transparent lines originating from the starting position (of the current turn) for each unit and ending where the unit is currently
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20100310 22:33:59< zookeeper> i'm not sure how useful that'd be though. it'd just make it easier to keep track of how the units have moved so far.
20100310 22:34:07< zookeeper> fendrin, ok?
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20100310 22:38:15< fendrin> zookeeper: It's loading but the player is not taking place, only ai action. After the first side's turn it shows "Game Over".
20100310 22:39:26< fendrin> I have leaders in there and controller=human as well.
20100310 22:40:09< gabm> zookeeper: Your idea of lines (or arrows maybe?) could be useful even with the current setup
20100310 22:41:01< gabm> zookeeper: not sure if it won't look like too much clutter when several paths cross each other though
20100310 22:41:41< zookeeper> gabm, yeah, it might get cluttery
20100310 22:42:10< zookeeper> fendrin, i don't see anything wrong there...you sure you've checked all the usual causes when starting the scenario?
20100310 22:42:18< zookeeper> turn limit, canrecruit, etc
20100310 22:42:27< zookeeper> (having enemies)
20100310 22:42:40< gabm> wesbot: seen unit
20100310 22:42:40< wesbot> gabm: Sorry, I don't know of unit.
20100310 22:42:52< shadowmaster> gabm: it's noy, not unit :P
20100310 22:42:59< gabm> lol
20100310 22:43:24< gabm> ok, I saw Noy leave not long ago
20100310 22:43:39< gabm> all those handles are a bit confusing
20100310 22:43:54< gabm> wesbot: seen Soliton
20100310 22:43:55< wesbot> gabm: Queried user last spoke 23h 16m ago.  Soliton is currently here and on the channels #wesnoth and #wesnoth-de.
20100310 22:44:01< shadowmaster> yeah, my bad, I don't know what I was thinking when I said "unit"
20100310 22:44:48< shadowmaster> fendrin: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=414309#p414309
20100310 22:44:51< gabm> Soliton: ^^
20100310 22:45:25< Soliton> gabm: i'm looking at the proposal atm.
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20100310 22:46:37< fendrin> shadowmaster: Thanks
20100310 22:49:06< gabm> Soliton: thanks. I see that happygrue also posted to the mailing list, I appreciate your input guys.
20100310 22:49:58< happygrue> gabm: I think it's a great idea.
20100310 22:50:05< Ivanovic> Rhonda: no, i don't plan to rush a release because of this single issue
20100310 22:50:38< Ivanovic> *but* if mordante does fix the lobby (resize probs) and ilor_ maybe has something interesting, then i plan to release 1.7.14 aka rc1 this sunday
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20100310 22:51:54< happygrue> shadowmaster: I something think of the mp devs and mods a bit like UNIT...   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIT
20100310 22:52:39< shadowmaster> heh.
20100310 22:52:40< happygrue> banning profanity, unsummoning demons, that sort of thing
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20100310 22:56:13< fendrin> zookeeper: I got, was something silly, nevermind.
20100310 22:57:13< Soliton> boucman, gabm: the mp server does not only broadcast everything. private messages and team messages only go to the right players for example.
20100310 22:57:24< gabm> When posting to the mailing list and replying to several mails, is it better to reply to individual mails, or to do a combined response as we usually do on forums?
20100310 22:57:29< boucman> Soliton: ok, my bad
20100310 22:58:27< gabm> Soliton: ok, which means those moves could go only to allies if needed
20100310 22:58:45< gabm> Soliton: prevents hacking, I guess
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20100310 23:00:18< Soliton> gabm: yes, shouldn't be too difficult to do.
20100310 23:02:45< Soliton> gabm: another random comment: while dialogs and whatnot of my ally are shown i still need to be able to at least chat. probably not a simple change for our gui system. (though i don't really know much about it.)
20100310 23:03:41< boucman> gabm: if I were you i'd skip displaying allied menus altogether as a first go, and add it later if you have time/it's easy to do
20100310 23:03:55< boucman> it's a feature that is separate enough to do separately afterward
20100310 23:04:02< Soliton> indeed.
20100310 23:04:23< gabm> Soliton, boucman: true, displaying dialogs could be left for later
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20100310 23:05:46< gabm> I find that often GUI stuff is the hardest area to code
20100310 23:06:34< gabm> unless you're doing something run-of-the-mill
20100310 23:08:39< boucman> gabm: displaying on map is my area, and it's not that tricky
20100310 23:08:52< boucman> i don't know about the actual gui part, that's mordante's
20100310 23:09:06< Soliton> gabm: in general i think the idea is a good one. however it's one of those were "options are bad" has to be carefully considered. i can see it easily get broken and not noticed quickly and/or if you don't stay around after gsoc nobody really caring to fix it.
20100310 23:09:47< boucman> gabm: what do you thing of the not-so-easy-coding idea I proposed ?
20100310 23:10:06< Soliton> at least it is one more thing to consider/test etc when doing network changes.
20100310 23:11:02< gabm> boucman: I replied there: https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-dev/2010-03/msg00007.html but I combined my answer with another was as if I was on a forum :P
20100310 23:11:14< gabm> I guess you reply to individual messages on mailing lists
20100310 23:11:48< boucman> ok, missed it, thx
20100310 23:12:47< Soliton> well, we're not that big on proper etiquette on our mailing list anyway as you can see from all the top posters. :->
20100310 23:14:16< fendrin> boucman: Hello, the village feature is ready. Would you give it a try?
20100310 23:14:23< gabm> Soliton: yeah, the worst part is when you get both top and bottom posters...
20100310 23:14:33< boucman> fendrin: i have to get up early tomorow, so not right now
20100310 23:14:50< boucman> I might have some time tomorow, but no promises, and i'm away all of next week
20100310 23:15:01< boucman> so don't count on it, though I  will try
20100310 23:15:36< fendrin> zookeeper: The [label] no longer works in [scenario]?
20100310 23:16:57< gabm> Soliton: about OAB: I see the GSoC as the start of a long-term commitment, but hopefully I won't be the only one interested in maintaining the feature
20100310 23:17:43< Soliton> gabm: that's good to hear. :-)
20100310 23:18:08< Soliton> and yeah, i suppose it can easily become the standard in mp and then that's not an issue.
20100310 23:18:14< gabm> Since a lot of people like the idea, I imagine the feature would get used a log, and brokenness would be noticed pretty fast
20100310 23:18:24< gabm> *a lot
20100310 23:18:29< zookeeper> fendrin, umm, no idea. it should work, of course.
20100310 23:18:44< zookeeper> (unless i've missed some change to that effect...)
20100310 23:20:44< zookeeper> anyways, i gotta go
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20100310 23:24:45< gabm> boucman: is it a bad time to start on either your not-so-easy-coding idea or some easy coding one?
20100310 23:25:02< gabm> boucman: I suppose that any patch I make won't get in until 1.8 comes out
20100310 23:25:25< gabm> boucman: so I'll have to maintain it separately until then
20100310 23:25:55< boucman> gabm: maintaining a smalll patch like the option is not very hard, just update the tree from time to time
20100310 23:26:23< boucman> and the not so easy one is quite large, and I'm not sure it can be finished before 1.8, so it shouldn't be a problem
20100310 23:26:30< boucman> but yes, the timing is not ideal
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20100310 23:57:49< Rhonda> Ivanovic: Erm, ITYM 1.7.15 :)
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