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20100315 00:07:45< esr> Ivanovic: Your plan seems good to me, though I'm still troubled by the size of the buglist and especially all the GUI2 problems.
20100315 00:08:10< esr> Are you still planning to ship rc2 today?
20100315 00:08:16< Ivanovic> rc1
20100315 00:08:16< esr> rc1, I mean.
20100315 00:08:19< Ivanovic> and yes
20100315 00:08:26< mordante> esr, there aren't that much gui2 problems, most gui problems are older
20100315 00:08:39< Ivanovic> that is: it would be really great if you waded through the buglist asking for people to test with rc1
20100315 00:08:54< Ivanovic> i suspect that many gui bugs (especially crashes) will not happen anymore
20100315 00:09:00< mordante> I'm more concerned with all other random bad bugs which keep popping up
20100315 00:09:11< esr> mordante: Are you telling me the MP obby problems are fixed?
20100315 00:09:22< Ivanovic> plus many bugs don't have enough info to reliable reproduce (especially stuff like the resolution used is not listed, which is mandatory for gui bugs)
20100315 00:09:43< Ivanovic> the mp lobby is not perfect yet, there are probably some crashes left
20100315 00:09:56< Ivanovic> *but* we don't have "good" reports about them that make testing easy
20100315 00:10:29< mordante> esr, maybe I've test code for the last serious bug
20100315 00:11:06< mordante> but at least those bugs have been stable for a while, no new ones, variations of an existing one
20100315 00:11:33< mordante> but that doesn't concern me, I've testing patch and finally found a way to reproduce it
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20100315 00:16:44< esr> Different topic: I transitioned GPD from Subversion to git on Friday.  It was much less trouble than I expected, really.  If we had a hosting site that would support it, I'd strongly recommend we switch right after 1.8.  I think it might be worth looking into github or gitorious for that purpose.
20100315 00:17:03< mordante> esr, and ilor committed a work-around for the lobby bug that caused undefined behaviour which I believe is the cause of https://gna.org/bugs/?15359
20100315 00:17:23< Ivanovic> esr: the problem with other hosting sites is that the bug tracker does not integrate as nicely as it does atm with subversion
20100315 00:17:31< Ivanovic> (the one we currently have at gna that is)
20100315 00:17:39< esr> True,
20100315 00:17:45< mordante> maybe we should ask gna's plans regarding git
20100315 00:17:48< MikeJB> esr: Doesn't git use a different method of keeping track of versions instead of r11234, r11235, etc.?
20100315 00:18:00< Ivanovic> and sadly gna does not offer git so far and seems to have no plans to do so anytime soon
20100315 00:18:02< MikeJB> How would it handle a project that *started* as something other than git?
20100315 00:18:04< mordante> to be honest I think gna has one of the nicest to use bug trackers
20100315 00:18:25< mordante> MikeJB, you import the linear history in git
20100315 00:18:42< Ivanovic> when i asked about a month ago it was a case of "you could ask the savanneh guys if you could just use their git"
20100315 00:18:43< esr> mordante: I agree, I like gna's tracker too.
20100315 00:18:44< mordante> I already use git-svn with a git tarball 
20100315 00:18:50< Ivanovic> no idea how well that integrates with the gna tracker
20100315 00:19:51< mordante> to be honest I prefer to keep gna's tracker over moving to git
20100315 00:19:59< esr> The thing is, I thiunk the project is large enough now that git-like branching is needed.  The fights over fendrin's last twi sets of changes were symptoms of this.
20100315 00:20:21< Ivanovic> personally i think that having "full featured git" would be nice
20100315 00:20:35< Ivanovic> but it is IMO not worth the loss we would have with not having a good bug tracker anymore
20100315 00:20:57< Ivanovic> and yes, it looks like a good and usable intermediate solution *is* git-svn
20100315 00:21:03< esr> (Personally I actually prefer Mercurial, but git is winning the war for that niche.  Sigh.)
20100315 00:21:08< mordante> esr, I disagree about fendrins stuff, the problem is that we shouldn't work on new stuff during the feature freeze
20100315 00:21:15< Ivanovic> since at least mordante, silene and Soliton rely on it without too many problems
20100315 00:21:44< Ivanovic> the problem with the new stuff from fendrin is a plain case of "new features during feature freeze", something that is not desired anyway
20100315 00:22:00< mordante> esr, if we wanted to do that it would have been trivial to fork a new development branch
20100315 00:22:30< mordante> (not that I think git has advantages, but I think this was a social problem and not a technical one)
20100315 00:22:31< esr> mordante: That's the only time fendrin had to do it.  Don't mistake a limitation of our tools for a good idea about policy.
20100315 00:23:29< esr> Becanew branches *aren't* trivial under Subversion. Or, rather, the branch is trivial but the merg is terrible.
20100315 00:23:41< mordante> esr, it's not a limitation of our tools! we could have forked a development branch months ago
20100315 00:23:48< Crab_> Ivanovic: rc1 in how many minutes ? looking at your proposed release schedule, I think it would be a good thing to put one more minor change in...
20100315 00:24:04< mordante> we just don't want to go into development phase during a feature freeze
20100315 00:24:05< Ivanovic> Crab_: ask mordante what his status is
20100315 00:24:12< esr> And now I have to go get dinner.  I'll be back to continue this in maybe 30 minutes.
20100315 00:24:13< Crab_> mordante: ^
20100315 00:24:22< mordante> since that means bugs won't get fixed
20100315 00:24:54< mordante> status undetermined
20100315 00:25:47< esr> mordante: fendrin isn't critical to our bugfix needs.  He would be if we had a lot of WML problems, but the WML team (zookeeper, fendrin, me) pretty much has those under control, as you can see by looking at the buglist.
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20100315 00:27:02< mordante> esr, https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?go_report=Apply&group=wesnoth&func=browse&set=custom&msort=0&report_id=100&advsrch=1&status_id[]=1&resolution_id[]=100&resolution_id[]=6&resolution_id[]=10&resolution_id[]=9&resolution_id[]=4&resolution_id[]=11&resolution_id[]=8&assigned_to[]=12991&category_id[]=101&bug_group_id[]=0&history_search=0&history_field=0&history_event=modified&history_date_dayfd=15&history_date_monthfd=3&history_date_yearf
20100315 00:27:03< mordante> d=2010&chunksz=50&spamscore=5&boxoptionwanted=1#options
20100315 00:28:06< fendrin> esr: Can you explain how git solves the merging problems? I always thought that merging is hard in it's nature and there is no easy software solution.
20100315 00:28:26< mordante> and fendrin also wanted to look into this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=561580
20100315 00:29:08< Ivanovic> fendrin: merging requires only *one* things: constant merging of mainline changes back into your tree
20100315 00:29:26< Ivanovic> that is at least once a week you should merge the changes from mainline into your tree (better more often)
20100315 00:30:29< mordante> Ivanovic, Crab_ this patch seems promising, but can use more testing http://paste.debian.net/64300/
20100315 00:30:42< fendrin> And why is that better doable when using git compared to svn?
20100315 00:30:54< Ivanovic> wow, looks simple...
20100315 00:31:03< mordante> yes 
20100315 00:31:06< Ivanovic> fendrin: the git algorithms used for merging are better
20100315 00:31:14< mordante> the advantage is that git is smarter with merging
20100315 00:31:27< Crab_> fendrin: git allows you to redefine the process as 'rebase your tree against newer version of mainline', and algorithms for that are better
20100315 00:31:44< Crab_> fendrin: as it has a better understanding of 'what happens'
20100315 00:31:53< mordante> fendrin, for example I had a file with local changes and renamed that from another checkout after updating with git the changes were in the renamed file
20100315 00:32:25< mordante> I wouldn't even try to do that with plain svn 
20100315 00:32:52< Ivanovic> mordante: rebuilding with that patch
20100315 00:33:12< mordante> Ivanovic, yes it looks simple but at least the reproducible case is solved with it
20100315 00:33:54< mordante> I'm going to listen to a book and look at the lobby, enjoying a beer
20100315 00:34:09 * Ivanovic already had a "maibook"
20100315 00:34:22< Ivanovic> s/maibook/maibock
20100315 00:35:01< mordante> I think it would have been a bad idea if I already started with beer before ;-)
20100315 00:39:52< Ivanovic> looks really good to me
20100315 00:39:55< Ivanovic> please commit
20100315 00:40:04< Ivanovic> so far things work nicely on the 1.6.x server
20100315 00:40:09< Ivanovic> no crash and elements there all the time
20100315 00:40:14< mordante> are you going to release now?
20100315 00:40:27< Crab_> Ivanovic: I'll commit something soon, too
20100315 00:41:34< Ivanovic> Crab_: please do so +really* soon
20100315 00:41:42< Ivanovic> i'd like to work on tagging in 5mins!
20100315 00:41:49< Crab_> well, compiling :)
20100315 00:42:40< mordante> ok I'll commit the stuff
20100315 00:43:19< Ivanovic> mordante: don't forget the changelog
20100315 00:45:26< CIA-53> mordante * r41588 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog src/gui/widgets/listbox.cpp): 
20100315 00:45:26< CIA-53> Fix redraw invalidation problems in the lobby.
20100315 00:45:26< CIA-53> Only lightly tested but seems to work, committing now so it can be included in the rc.
20100315 00:45:27< mordante> Ivanovic, too late already committed :-P
20100315 00:48:40< CIA-53> crab * r41589 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog): changelog entries for zookeeper's fix of DarkForecast OOSes in [unstore_unit] advance=true
20100315 00:49:05< Crab_> Ivanovic: ok, won't commit all that was wanted. so, that's all.
20100315 00:49:07< CIA-53> mordante * r41590 /trunk/RELEASE_NOTES: Update release notes.
20100315 00:50:06< mordante> Ivanovic, that's all for me now
20100315 00:53:13< Crab_> Ivanovic: i want to make rca ai default in SP, and I need to recompile again to see if my patch is good, so, if you wait for 5 more minutes, it'll be in if it's good.
20100315 00:53:29< Ivanovic> okay, 5mins
20100315 00:55:30< CIA-53> torangan * r41591 /trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): hungarian translation update
20100315 00:57:00< fendrin> AI0867, esr, zookeeper: Seen the new song from Doug Kaufman I commited? I am still searching for scenarios that fit the mood.
20100315 00:58:43< AI0867> seen the commit, not played it yet
20100315 00:59:01< CIA-53> crab * r41592 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog src/ai/configuration.cpp): make RCA AI default for SP
20100315 00:59:03< Crab_> Ivanovic: ^ done, thanks.
20100315 00:59:17< Crab_> that's all
20100315 01:00:26< Ivanovic> okay, releasing now
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20100315 01:02:02< CIA-53> ivanovic * r41593 /trunk/ (changelog configure.ac players_changelog src/wesconfig.h): bump version to 1.7.15 aka 1.8rc1 (yes, finally!)
20100315 01:02:43-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: releasing 1.7.15 aka 1.8rc1, using r41593 | string/feature freeze active! | 70 bugs, 253 feature requests, 13 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20100315 01:03:30< esr> fendrin: What's the name of the new track?
20100315 01:04:01< fendrin> Weight of Revenge
20100315 01:04:07< CIA-53> ivanovic * r41594 /trunk/players_changelog: changelog fix
20100315 01:04:15< esr> Noted, I'll try it out.
20100315 01:04:28< esr> And now I shall close bugs.
20100315 01:05:13< Ivanovic> not yet
20100315 01:05:17< fendrin> Crab_: Now that the release is out, do you want to help me a little bit with my inspector problem?
20100315 01:05:18< Ivanovic> wait till it is tagged
20100315 01:05:45< Ivanovic> and afterwards please have a look at the existing bugs leaving comments a) about reproducing and b) about checking with rc1 if they are still valid
20100315 01:05:57< Ivanovic> (especially about any crashes that might be related to the new multiplayer lobby)
20100315 01:07:44< CIA-53> ivanovic * r41595 /trunk/po/ (223 files in 23 dirs): 
20100315 01:07:44< CIA-53> pot-update (preparing for 1.7.15 aka 1.8rc1, no string changes/additions)
20100315 01:07:44< CIA-53> regenerated doc files (no changes here...)
20100315 01:08:36< CIA-53> ivanovic * r41596 /website/start/1.8/ (11 files in 2 dirs): updated Hungarian announcement translation
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20100315 01:10:05< fendrin> hi gabm
20100315 01:10:15< gabm> hi fendrin
20100315 01:10:32< fendrin> gabm: you left a question regarding the game_display singleton?
20100315 01:11:02< gabm> yup, I found another way to do this, but I'm still wondering
20100315 01:11:28< fendrin> May I ask what your project is about?
20100315 01:11:32< Crab_> fendrin: where I can see the latest code ?
20100315 01:12:07< fendrin> Crab_: The editor branch, tgamestate_inspector.hpp/cpp
20100315 01:12:54< gabm> fendrin: it's for implementing my idea from here: https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-dev/2010-03/msg00018.html
20100315 01:13:11< gabm> fendrin: I submitted a patch recently
20100315 01:13:35< fendrin> Crab_: The problem is that the class tconfig_inspector doesn't use it's own tconfig_inspector::controller but always the code in tinspector::controller. I don't get what I did wrong with the class inheritance system there.
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20100315 01:13:56< gabm> fendrin: https://gna.org/patch/?1528
20100315 01:13:59< esr> 14 bugs closed, 1 upstream problen retained, 1Need Info bug now has needed info  so I set status to Nine.
20100315 01:14:02< Ivanovic> compiling the test binary...
20100315 01:16:15< gabm> fendrin: I needed to display a dialog from within the connect class in multiplayer_connect.cpp, but I didn't have any reference to the display handy
20100315 01:16:35< gabm> fendrin: that's why I first try the singleton thing, but it eventually crashed the game
20100315 01:17:12< gabm> gabm: I ended up just adding a member variable to save the display pointer passed in the class constructor, that made more sense anyways
20100315 01:17:12< fendrin> gabm: What workaround did you use?
20100315 01:17:42< gabm> fendrin: but I'm still curious about whether we're supposed to use that singleton directly
20100315 01:18:35< fendrin> gabm: That singleton is used in the drawing engine. Units call it for drawing themselves. 
20100315 01:19:03< fendrin> And there is another source of singleton objects. The resources namespace.
20100315 01:20:54< Ivanovic> uhm, not good
20100315 01:21:04< mordante> ?
20100315 01:21:11< Ivanovic> just tried to start Dark forecast in 1024x768, local game
20100315 01:21:24< gabm> fendrin: Ok, what do I do then if I need to display a dialog box from somewhere in the code where I have no display pointer handy
20100315 01:21:37< gabm> fendrin: or is that not supposed to happen given the context?
20100315 01:21:45< Crab_> fendrin: well, note that those class declarations are not creating any objects
20100315 01:21:59< Crab_> fendrin: there's only one controller that is actually created
20100315 01:22:17< Ivanovic> http://imagebin.org/88894
20100315 01:22:19< Crab_> fendrin: it's created in tinspector::view
20100315 01:22:37< Crab_> fendrin: and, of course, it's tinspector::controller
20100315 01:23:16< Ivanovic> the issue does not happen in english though
20100315 01:23:31< Ivanovic> so either some translation is too long (ugh!) or something weird does happen...
20100315 01:24:16< fendrin> gabm: Yes, the first question is if the dialog realy needs to be in there. You have a display pointer or reference at hand in code pathes were it is common to call to the gui.
20100315 01:24:39< fendrin> Crab_: So the solution is to derive tinspector::view ?
20100315 01:25:08< gabm> fendrin: ok, then I think I did the right thing
20100315 01:25:11< Crab_> fendrin: no, because you want to have the same view. instead, extract that parameter.
20100315 01:25:19< Crab_> fendrin: you can fix tinspector::view to contain a smart pointer to controller, fix tinspector::view to get a smart pointer to controller as a ctor arg,  fix tinspector::tinspector() to supply that smart pointer to controller,  fix tinspector::tinspector() to get a smart pointer to controller as a ctor arg,
20100315 01:25:21< Ivanovic> mordante: sounds like an engine bug to me
20100315 01:25:29< Ivanovic> mordante: no newlines available for headers
20100315 01:25:41< Crab_> fendrin: and then, actually create the right controller in ctor's of your derived classes
20100315 01:27:00< Ivanovic> yes, i will release with this issue still around
20100315 01:27:09< Crab_> and be sure to remove all that current code duplication in tgamestate_inspector::controller and tconfig_inspector::controller 
20100315 01:27:14< Ivanovic> mordante: shall i write a bug report for you or can you keep it in your own list?
20100315 01:27:21< mordante> Ivanovic, it indeed seems the header
20100315 01:27:23< Ivanovic> i don't know why formating does break this badly there
20100315 01:27:33< mordante> and I think I disabled the scrollbars for that window
20100315 01:27:46< Crab_> fendrin: there was no reason for me to get fancy with getting that controller from somewhere, because there was only one :)
20100315 01:27:49< Ivanovic> that is: the left column for the portrait is *by far* bigger than required for that tiny time of day image
20100315 01:28:04< mordante> btw is this a new issue or something older?
20100315 01:28:07< Ivanovic> no idea why that is used instead of the sword+shield "default narrator icon" anyway...
20100315 01:28:14< Ivanovic> no idea if it is new or older
20100315 01:28:19< Ivanovic> i never tested dark forecast...
20100315 01:28:41< mordante> ok that answers my question, I assume it's an old bug
20100315 01:30:08< CIA-53> ivanovic * r41597 /tags/1.7.15/: tag 1.7.15 aka 1.8rc1, using r41596
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20100315 01:32:26< fendrin> Crab_: Why the smart pointers?
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20100315 01:32:43< Crab_> fendrin: alternative ?
20100315 01:32:52< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: 1.7.15 aka 1.8rc1 is ready
20100315 01:33:00< fendrin> Crab_: references
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20100315 01:35:51< CIA-53> ivanovic * r41598 /trunk/ (changelog configure.ac players_changelog src/wesconfig.h): post release version bump to 1.7.15+svn
20100315 01:38:51< CIA-53> mordante * r41599 /trunk/src/server/server.cpp: Remove leading whitespace.
20100315 01:39:13< CIA-53> mordante * r41600 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/generator.cpp: Fix some comment.
20100315 01:39:48< Crab_> fendrin: yes, but you still have to store the actual object somewhere
20100315 01:39:49< mordante> Ivanovic, I'll look into DF later I can reproduce it here
20100315 01:40:01< Ivanovic> mordante: okay
20100315 01:40:03< mordante> the lobby still runs without glitches here :-)
20100315 01:40:23< mordante> I'm off now, night
20100315 01:40:28< Ivanovic> regarding probs i report: anything, unless i explicitly state so, is using 1024x768 (yeah, using plain defaults)
20100315 01:40:30< Ivanovic> n8 mordante
20100315 01:41:42< mordante> well I'm used to asking the resolution ;-)
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20100315 01:42:35< Crab_> fendrin: and, if you store the actual object in the inspector, you have to add it in the hpp file, which I don't want to do
20100315 01:43:16< Crab_> fendrin: by using the pointer, we actually transfer ownership of that controller to view
20100315 01:46:46< fendrin> Crab_: I don't get the plan. Where does the object live with that shared pointers? In view?
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20100315 01:47:36< Crab_> yes, the only pointer to controller which will survive for the lifetime of the gamestate inspector will be in the view
20100315 01:49:23< fendrin> Crab_: Okay, I will implement your plan and see what happens. Maybe I understand during the work what is going on.
20100315 01:49:40< Crab_> fendrin: well, do you see what the current problem is ?
20100315 01:50:29< fendrin> Hmm, no.
20100315 01:51:12< Crab_> there's only one controller object created.
20100315 01:51:22< Crab_> it's created in tinspector::view
20100315 01:51:50< Crab_> it resolves the 'controller' to tinspector::controller
20100315 01:52:03< Crab_> so, your derived classes are not even used
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20100315 01:53:32< fendrin> Okay
20100315 01:53:57< Crab_> fendrin: so, you need to extract the creation of the controller to some more top-level place which knows about the type of the controller that you want to create
20100315 01:54:37< Crab_> and you need to deal with the model, as well, since atm it's needed for the controller
20100315 01:59:02< Crab_> fendrin: write down the dependency graph somewhere, and you'll see. change it if it's necessary ...
20100315 01:59:10< Crab_> night
20100315 01:59:43< Ivanovic> okay, sent the mail that the rc1 release is ready to all packagers
20100315 01:59:47< Ivanovic> heading off to bed now, n8
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20100315 03:06:11< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: wish I noticed earlier; I'll have to upload tomorrow
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20100315 05:14:27< Espreon> loonycyborg: Would you please build me a debug Wesnoth binary for Windows? I don't think that https://gna.org/bugs/?15615 is going to be fixed unless I get moar info; I can't reproduce it on Linux.
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20100315 07:41:55< teaser> mordante: updated info on https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?15561 and added https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?15626 for you
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20100315 10:30:05< loonycyborg> Espreon: I could, but it weighs about 400Mb.
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20100315 10:36:43< Ivanovic> moin
20100315 10:42:34-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: released 1.7.15 aka 1.8rc1, announcing soon | string/feature freeze active! | 73 bugs, 254 feature requests, 13 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20100315 11:08:08< Ivanovic> mordante: i assigned this one to ilor, if you know a fix though, please do something ;) https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?15626
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20100315 12:35:07< CIA-53> ai0867 * r41601 /trunk/src/preferences_display.cpp: Tweak an earlier change: if we detect a working resolution, save it
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20100315 14:12:55< stikonas> I've converted Wesnoth's SVN history to video using gource, if anybody wants to watch the result, here it is:
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20100315 14:13:18< stikonas> http://stikonas.homelinux.org/files/wesnoth_lq.mp4 (47MiB) http://stikonas.homelinux.org/files/wesnoth_hq.mp4 (738MiB)
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20100315 16:19:00< AI0867> stikonas: downloading
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20100315 16:50:50< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: so I made the dmg yesterday; just started uploading now though, so it'll be up in ~4 hours
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20100315 17:08:30< shadowmaster> ilor: there's no Python implementation of actual Image Path functions, but the team colorizer script used for u.w.o (data/tools/unit_tree/TeamColorizer) should implement the correct RC (recoloring) logic for color ranges
20100315 17:08:48< fendrin> stikonas: That will be a scary cyberspace movie?
20100315 17:09:19< shadowmaster> no idea if it implements the PAL logic
20100315 17:09:24< stikonas> fendrin: yes :)
20100315 17:09:26< fendrin> stikonas: I once dreamed I was prisoned in an LDAP datatree, every leave was linked to the root node, so no escape.
20100315 17:09:48< fendrin> stikonas: That was the day we couldn't get link in LDAP to work.
20100315 17:10:33< shadowmaster> I'm tired of stupid users trying to PM all admins at once instead of using TS for support requests.
20100315 17:13:24< AI0867> stikonas: looks interesting, though the lq version becomes a bit unreadable around 2007
20100315 17:13:26< shadowmaster> maybe I  should just disable mass PMing for admins, but then...hm :/
20100315 17:13:40< AI0867> not that hq would be much better on this netbook
20100315 17:19:17 * stikonas has also tried theora codec, but it looks much worse :( than libx264 at the same bitrate
20100315 17:21:47< CIA-53> shadowmaster * r41602 /trunk/misc/fortunes/wesnoth: 
20100315 17:21:47< CIA-53> Some random quote from Midnight_Carnival, because I've got nothing
20100315 17:21:47< CIA-53> better to do with 10 minutes of break time
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20100315 17:36:25< fendrin> I have a git repository around
20100315 17:36:30< fendrin> but it is empty
20100315 17:36:32< Gambit> shadowmaster: There aren't any real uses for that feature.
20100315 17:36:43< Gambit> Except for interadmin communication.
20100315 17:37:09< fendrin> everything of the 2.1gb the repository is heavy is in hidden files.
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20100315 17:38:13< fendrin> Is that suposed to be so?
20100315 17:38:29< fendrin> What is to do next?
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20100315 17:49:49< stikonas> fendrin: maybe git reset --hard
20100315 17:51:48< fendrin> stikonas: cool, that gave me the trunk tree.
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20100315 17:53:22< stikonas> also, "git gc" can compress hiden files
20100315 17:54:00< fendrin> stikonas: so every fork has it's own hidden files?
20100315 17:55:18< stikonas> you mean every branch?
20100315 17:56:06< stikonas> everything is stored in a single .git folder, but there are many files in it
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20100315 18:42:04< krotop> If one of the mods isn't too busy, I'd request some assistance to help Mythological going back on IRC. He accidentally got banned.
20100315 18:43:45< krotop> and if someone could tell what the phrase "evading klines" means on IRC, that would help too
20100315 18:47:28< crimson_penguin> krotop: klines = being kicked from the room
20100315 18:47:49< krotop> thank you
20100315 18:48:11 * crimson_penguin is not an IRC op though
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20100315 19:01:37< loonycyborg> krotop: kline is a forced disconnect from irc server, not just from a room.
20100315 19:02:42< krotop> ok, thank you
20100315 19:03:51< loonycyborg> That is usually done to unwanted bots and especially egregious trolls :P
20100315 19:04:06< krotop> I'm not aware of what's the common usage, what would be the best way to adress a freenode admin ? jump in #freenode and require some assistance in the public chat to find an admin ?
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20100315 19:04:50< krotop> well, I can believe that, but it was most likely a mistake here, never saw Myth trolling away for years :)
20100315 19:05:28< krotop> well, I mean I never saw him do that, for the years I was on the server in the same time as him
20100315 19:05:41< loonycyborg> Yes. Asking on #freenode is a good idea.
20100315 19:06:01< krotop> ok
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20100315 20:37:30< LucaMoller> Hello
20100315 20:37:39< Crab_> hi, LucaMoller
20100315 20:38:12< LucaMoller> i've compiled the game in linux, took a brief look at the code
20100315 20:38:20< Crab_> that's good
20100315 20:38:23< LucaMoller> right now, I was looking at that bug you showed me
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20100315 20:38:38< mordante> servus
20100315 20:38:43< Crab_> hi mordante
20100315 20:38:54< mordante> hi Crab_ 
20100315 20:39:47< LucaMoller> and then I was wondering if you used any debug stuff (im not quite used to it), or did it on hand (with printfs) :)
20100315 20:40:07< LucaMoller> Im using codeblocks to edit the code, and scons to compile
20100315 20:41:26< Crab_> well, for me, debug build takes half-an-hour to link, so I prefer printf-style debugging, since it's faster. but, for complex bugs, debugging can help a lot. 
20100315 20:41:54< mordante> Crab_, ever tried the gold linker? 
20100315 20:42:01< Crab_> mordante: using it
20100315 20:42:15< mordante> and still half an hour?
20100315 20:42:16< LucaMoller> I've tracked that but to the call of "recorder.add_checksum_check(loc);" inside void menu_handler::do_recruit(...)
20100315 20:42:27< LucaMoller> that bug*
20100315 20:42:49< Crab_> mordante: yes. release builds are very fast.
20100315 20:43:07< LucaMoller> ok, I think ill stay with the printfs then for now
20100315 20:43:13< mordante> I mainly use gold since debug builds are too slow
20100315 20:44:03< mordante> Ivanovic, https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?15629
20100315 20:44:19< Crab_> LucaMoller: do you know the idea behind those checksum checks?
20100315 20:44:36< Ivanovic> mordante: outsch
20100315 20:44:46< Ivanovic> mordante: now idea what the reason for this one is
20100315 20:46:11< mordante> indeed autsch guess we need a volunteer to look into it ;-)
20100315 20:47:33< LucaMoller> i'm not used to irc, how can I direct a msg to you?
20100315 20:47:52< mordante> you can use /query <nick> for that
20100315 20:48:07< mordante> but you're free to talk here as well
20100315 20:48:17< Ivanovic> mordante: huge case of *autsch* since the "Sieg:" string does only appear in src/multiplayer_connect.cpp
20100315 20:48:24< LucaMoller> ok
20100315 20:48:36< Ivanovic> i'd expect it to be defined somewhere else, too...
20100315 20:49:35< mordante> interesting translation of defeat...
20100315 20:50:39< elias> well, each defeat is a victory for someone
20100315 20:51:57< mordante> oh nice some people complained about the German translation of the defeat message, maybe we should change it to "your enemy is victorious" ;-)
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20100315 20:52:37< Ivanovic> mordante: that is: where do those dialog titles come from?
20100315 20:52:48< Ivanovic> they are most likely from some special markup, right?
20100315 20:53:21< mordante> I'll check in a sec, in the middle of testing another bug
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20100315 20:58:59< mordante> hmm seems to be older, you checkout a random older branch and there it's also commented out
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20100315 21:01:01< Ivanovic> but i have no found where the string "Defeat" is defined in the sources!
20100315 21:01:15< Ivanovic> that is: where the displayed string does come from is a miracle to me
20100315 21:01:22< Ivanovic> (the same for "Victory:"
20100315 21:02:58< Ivanovic> it looks like this is only defined in the .lua file
20100315 21:03:06< Ivanovic> since when do we use lua to generate the objectives?
20100315 21:03:22< Ivanovic> that is: no idea if wmlxgettext does even support this...
20100315 21:03:36< mordante> I found the commit that caused the disappearance 
20100315 21:03:55< mordante> r40198
20100315 21:04:18< mordante> it was defined at game_events.cpp:1206
20100315 21:06:17< Ivanovic> the more important part is: when was this stuff moved into .lua files and how is the extractor ment to support those?
20100315 21:06:31< Ivanovic> that is: textdomain definitions in those
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20100315 21:10:03< mordante> it's in data/lua/wml-tags.lua
20100315 21:10:18< Ivanovic> okay, if i extend the search terms with a find over all lua terms the strings are found
20100315 21:10:36< Ivanovic> the problem is: how to make wmlxgettext notice the lua syntax?
20100315 21:11:00< Ivanovic> can i just put a #textdomain wesnoth at the top and will it still work then?
20100315 21:11:21< mordante> xgettext doesn't know about lua files
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20100315 21:14:09< mordante> the syntax doesn't look like WML at all so I don't think wmlxgettext will work
20100315 21:14:14< Ivanovic> mordante: it does not really know about .cfg files either
20100315 21:14:24< Ivanovic> that is: it does extract the string
20100315 21:14:38< Ivanovic> the matter is that commenting out is done in a completely different way in lua than it is done in wml
20100315 21:14:57< Ivanovic> trying a dirty hack no, using --! #textdomain wesnoth
20100315 21:15:07< Ivanovic> that is "comment stuff out" and have the "detection string" in there, too
20100315 21:15:31< Ivanovic> i just do hope that just some string matching is used that does not filter for "start of line" or stuff like this...
20100315 21:17:21< Crab_> Ivanovic: looks like that regexp for textdomain in wmlxgettext does not filter for start-of-line
20100315 21:17:24< mordante> I know it doesn't know much about cfg files but enough to show some useful info like speaker role etc
20100315 21:17:43< Ivanovic> Crab_: does it filter for anything beside the #textdomain DOMAIN thing?
20100315 21:18:04< mordante> maybe wait for silene, maybe he knows what the best way for using gettext with lua is
20100315 21:18:08< Ivanovic> as in: would it also set a new textdomain if i wrote this: "this is my new #textdomain worlddomaination text"?
20100315 21:18:34< Ivanovic> mordante: i'll go for the hack atm since that is a lot better than nothing and the strings will at least get in again this way
20100315 21:18:35< Crab_> probably would set it to "worlddomaination text"
20100315 21:18:55< mordante> the other problem I see is that some translators already cleaned up their po files, effectively deleting the translated strings
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20100315 21:19:45< mordante> hi silene, did you see the lua translation problems?
20100315 21:20:02< silene> currently reading the logs
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20100315 21:20:09< mordante> ok
20100315 21:20:38< silene> no idea what the best idea is; i would just try to stick "-- #textdomain ..." in the lua file and see if it works
20100315 21:20:45< Ivanovic> silene: doing so atm
20100315 21:21:59< mordante> the mana world doesn't use gettext with lua?
20100315 21:22:41< CIA-53> ivanovic * r41604 /trunk/ (28 files in 26 dirs): 
20100315 21:22:41< CIA-53> add some (hackish!) attempt to make the po update routines scan .lua files for strings, too
20100315 21:22:41< CIA-53> this is done by a) scanning for all .lua files additionally to all .cfg files in FINDCFG and b) by adding the equivalent of a "commented out" #textdomain DOMAIN declaration
20100315 21:22:41< CIA-53> next step: testing if it really does work as expected
20100315 21:22:41< CIA-53> this should also fix bug #15629 since the objectives are now *only* declared via some lua magic
20100315 21:23:20< silene> mordante: no idea; at that time, it wasn't supporting gettext at all, in fact
20100315 21:23:57< mordante> ah ok
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20100315 21:25:41< mordante> teaser, when you post a screenshot with a bug report, please don't scale them down
20100315 21:26:05< Ivanovic> okay, looks like my evil scheme does work
20100315 21:26:14< Ivanovic> i added a teststring to a low .lua file
20100315 21:26:28< Ivanovic> that one is extracted as it should by by wmlxgettext using the correct textdomain
20100315 21:26:31< loonycyborg> The right fix would be to add lua support to xgettext :P
20100315 21:27:00< mordante> and does the string also show up translated in the game?
20100315 21:27:23< mordante> loonycyborg, you forgot your captain obvious nick ;-P
20100315 21:27:26< silene> mordante: yes they will
20100315 21:27:40< crimson_penguin> hum, this upload should've been done by now - it's going super slow right now for some reason
20100315 21:27:54< silene> Ivanovic: is that a complete lua file? (just to be sure it doesn't extract too many things)
20100315 21:27:55< mordante> silene, ok nice
20100315 21:27:58< crimson_penguin> the speed did just go up slightly though, so clearly it's not stalled
20100315 21:28:06< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: the syntax that is used in wml-helper is working nicely with wmlxgettext
20100315 21:28:11< Ivanovic> the strings in there are extracted
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20100315 21:28:37< Ivanovic> silene: i grepped for what it extracted, in mainline *only* the strings "Victory:" and "Defeat:" come from a lua file
20100315 21:28:48< silene> great
20100315 21:28:53< Ivanovic> that file being data/lua/wml-tags.lua
20100315 21:30:14< Ivanovic> yes, it does work as expected
20100315 21:30:38< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: I'm not surprised. Though annoying things may happen as more lua code is added.
20100315 21:32:45< Ivanovic> while the normal gettext syntax is used everything is fine and the strings will be found using wmlxgettext
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20100315 21:33:04< Ivanovic> the problem was just that up until now only .cfg files were considered as "could include string"
20100315 21:33:13< Ivanovic> yeah, .map files are not searched either
20100315 21:33:14< Ivanovic> ;)
20100315 21:34:55< CIA-53> ivanovic * r41605 /trunk/po/ (73 files in 23 dirs): pot-update (readding the string "Defeat:", cf bug #15629)
20100315 21:35:45< mordante> Ivanovic, wasn't esr working on a python replacement for wmlxgettext?
20100315 21:36:04< esr> Yes, I finished and tested it.
20100315 21:36:05< Ivanovic> mordante: he commited something, but i decided that it is unusuable slow
20100315 21:36:39< Ivanovic> does not work nearly as well as wmlxgettext speed wise
20100315 21:36:53< esr> Well, it's doing a lot more.
20100315 21:36:58< Ivanovic> yes
20100315 21:37:02< mordante> how much does it differ in speed?
20100315 21:37:26< Ivanovic> a normal pot-update takes some 5mins on my machine if lots of stuff changed
20100315 21:37:33< Ivanovic> with the changes system i need >30mins
20100315 21:38:12< Ivanovic> (a normal pot update does currently just need maybe some 2mins and it is completely done, all textdomains, all langs beside po4a stuff)
20100315 21:39:22< mordante> too bad, I guess it would be easier to add lua properly to the python version, unless we have more perl hackers around
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20100315 21:45:27< mordante> hi Espreon 
20100315 21:45:33< Espreon> Hello mordante.
20100315 21:45:58< Espreon> Meh, I guess I'll try something, but it probably won't work...
20100315 21:46:28< Espreon> Please wait for about an hour.
20100315 21:47:25< mordante> Espreon, if not possible can you try something on Windows? run wesnoth with --log-debug=gui/layout and email the compressed output to me
20100315 21:47:58< Espreon> OK.
20100315 21:50:48< teaser> mordante: noted on the screenshots, thanks for telling me (it makes it easier to write bugreports).
20100315 21:51:41< mordante> teaser, you're welcome
20100315 21:51:54< mordante> teaser, do you also compile wesnoth yourself?
20100315 21:58:10< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: what is the current status of the mac binary?
20100315 21:58:38< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: it's being idiotic - it's 93% done, but it's going really slow
20100315 21:58:47< Ivanovic> hmm, okay
20100315 21:58:51< crimson_penguin> huh, now it's going fast (relatively) again!
20100315 21:58:59< crimson_penguin> if it stays at this rate, 15 minutes
20100315 21:59:17< crimson_penguin> 270729216  93%   20.81kB/s    0:14:21
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20100315 22:02:35< CIA-53> mordante * r41606 /trunk/ (changelog src/log.cpp): 
20100315 22:02:35< CIA-53> Default log level to error again.
20100315 22:02:35< CIA-53> This to avoid flooding the output in the stable releases, can be lowered again
20100315 22:02:35< CIA-53> after forking the branch.
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20100315 22:10:10< teaser> mordante: yes I do, should I add something to the compile process? (fyi: currently I use the scons buildprocess)
20100315 22:12:40< mordante> teaser, only apply a patch to try your suggestion in bug 15561 http://paste.debian.net/64402/
20100315 22:13:07< mordante> else I can make another patch that forces a re-layout process
20100315 22:13:26< mordante> if you can test it it would be great, since I still can't reproduce the problem
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20100315 22:21:22< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: done
20100315 22:21:33 * crimson_penguin goes to change the default download
20100315 22:22:02< teaser> mordante: sure I can do that, how do I apply it?
20100315 22:22:58< mordante> teaser, in the root of your checkout type patch -p0</path/to/file
20100315 22:23:16< mordante> later you can revert it with the svn revert command
20100315 22:23:44< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: no need, will do it myself
20100315 22:23:48< teaser> ok, thanks, compiling now...
20100315 22:23:55< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: done
20100315 22:23:59< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: I'm almost there, but ok :)
20100315 22:24:00< Ivanovic> (had the file manager open anyway)
20100315 22:24:09< Soliton> stikonas: what tool did you use for that video?
20100315 22:24:16< Ivanovic> announcement forum post: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=29197
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20100315 22:24:28< stikonas> Soliton: gource
20100315 22:24:28< Chusslove> Ivanovic: Some days ago I inquired about adding two more sr@something languages...
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20100315 22:24:35< Chusslove> Now I've seen http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Translation_Maintainance_Commands#adding_a_new_Language
20100315 22:24:38-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: string/feature freeze active! | 73 bugs, 254 feature requests, 13 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20100315 22:24:42< Chusslove> and did the steps, worked out nicely.
20100315 22:24:43< stikonas> Soliton: and ffmpeg with libx264 of course
20100315 22:25:00< Chusslove> Could I commit, or you would like to do it yourself?
20100315 22:25:17< Chusslove> (No new language names, so no break to message freeze.)
20100315 22:25:30< thespaceinvader> Ivanovic: did you mean to post the release announcement twice?
20100315 22:25:46< Ivanovic> no, classical forum bug
20100315 22:26:32< Espreon> Chusslove: Moar? What moar could there be?
20100315 22:26:37< Ivanovic> (that is it was damn slow and i aborted)
20100315 22:27:05 * Chusslove looks where did he misspelt moar...
20100315 22:27:18< Espreon> LOL.
20100315 22:27:30< Ivanovic> Chusslove: since you have used the commands anyway, directly commit
20100315 22:27:35< Ivanovic> then i don't have to repeat this stuff
20100315 22:27:45< Chusslove> Right.
20100315 22:27:46< Soliton> stikonas: thanks.
20100315 22:27:51< Ivanovic> but please tell me how those langs should be named for g.w.o
20100315 22:28:08< Chusslove> In fact, I think they should not be there at all. Single "Serbian" is just fine.
20100315 22:28:09< Ivanovic> btw i also updated the frontpage
20100315 22:28:23< Chusslove> Ah, g.w.o...
20100315 22:28:33< Ivanovic> Soliton: could you update the server motds to reflect 1.7.15 being out?
20100315 22:28:41< Soliton> sure.
20100315 22:28:46< Ivanovic> thanks
20100315 22:29:02< Crab_> will 1.7.14 be disallowed on MP server, too ?
20100315 22:29:06< Ivanovic> no
20100315 22:29:12< Chusslove> Ivanovic: Right, no need for g.w.o (I would even remove current "Serbian (Latin letters)".
20100315 22:29:31< Ivanovic> Chusslove: that is not possible considering the way g.w.o currently work
20100315 22:29:33< Ivanovic> s
20100315 22:29:34< Chusslove> Basically this stuff is autogenerated, so no need to list four (!) languages.
20100315 22:29:45< Chusslove> Ah, you mean they must be there?
20100315 22:29:57< Ivanovic> though you could crimson_penguin if some "ignore" feature could be added
20100315 22:30:02< Ivanovic> +ask
20100315 22:30:14< Chusslove> At any rate...
20100315 22:30:19< Chusslove> Serbian (Ijekavian)
20100315 22:30:24< teaser> mordante: the patch kind of works: it quickly gets redrawn to minimum size and after 0.1 sec (or something) it redraws itself to full width
20100315 22:30:26< Chusslove> Serbian (Ijekavian, Latin letters)
20100315 22:30:33< Ivanovic> langcode?
20100315 22:30:35< stikonas> Soliton: if you want, I can give you commands that I used to render this video, but it takes some time to rerender it...
20100315 22:30:37< Chusslove> sr@ijekavian
20100315 22:30:41< Chusslove> sr@ijekavianlatin
20100315 22:30:54< crimson_penguin> hey, you know what? it may be easier for Wesnoth to, rather than switching directly to OpenGL, just switch to SDL 1.3 when it's out
20100315 22:30:57< gabm> Ivanovic: for Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic users, it seems that sound causes a variety of problems from 100% CPU to (for me) freeze on trying to quit, until they install libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio
20100315 22:31:14< gabm> Ivanovic: maybe mention it in the release post?
20100315 22:31:15< Soliton> stikonas: if they'll be applicable for a different project as well that'd be cool.
20100315 22:32:00< CIA-53> caslav_ilic * r41607 /trunk/ (83 files in 29 dirs): Adding new languages: sr@ijekavian, sr@ijekavianlatin.
20100315 22:32:29< gabm> Ivanovic: (or it could be added on the page where linux packages are listed, but I'm afraid few people read that)
20100315 22:33:37< CIA-53> ivanovic * r41608 /website/gettext.wesnoth.org/langs.php: prepare g.w.o for the two new transliterations Chusslove will shortly add for serbian
20100315 22:35:38< Ivanovic> gabm: for the moment just post a reply linking to one of the ~30 posts mentioning that they got 100% load when trying to quit
20100315 22:35:41< stikonas> Soliton: gource -s 0.01 -a 1 --stop-at-end --output-ppm-stream wesnoth.ppm  (-s is basically speed) and ffmpeg -y -r 60 -f image2pipe -vcodec ppm -i wesnoth.ppm -b 10M -vcodec libx264 -vpre max -threads 3 wesnoth_hq.mp4
20100315 22:35:49< Ivanovic> gabm: that should be enough for the moment
20100315 22:36:01< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: you know what the problem with this is?
20100315 22:36:07< gabm> Ivanovic: :) Ok, I'll do that
20100315 22:36:14< mordante> teaser, ok thanks for the testing, I want to see whether there's a cleaner solution but at least I have a plan b
20100315 22:36:15< stikonas> Soliton: -vpre hq works about 10 times faster for encoding, but has slightly worse quality at the same bitrate
20100315 22:36:21< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: it will take ages till this veryion of libsdl is available by most distributions
20100315 22:36:24 * gabm goes spelunking in the forum
20100315 22:36:39< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: hmm, I suppose
20100315 22:36:58 * crimson_penguin was just looking at http://wiki.libsdl.org/moin.cgi/Roadmap
20100315 22:37:06< stikonas> Soliton: it is also possible to pipe gource output directly to ffmpeg using | but I have enough hard disk space for 80 GB uncompressed images :)
20100315 22:38:06< mordante> crimson_penguin, I also think SDL 1.3 looks interesting but no idea when it will be released
20100315 22:38:17< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: and i fear that sdl 1.3 is not even close to being released
20100315 22:38:24< Ivanovic> it is already in development for *ages*
20100315 22:38:30< crimson_penguin> yeah
20100315 22:38:42< crimson_penguin> works well enough for Wesnoth on iPhone though :)
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20100315 22:38:51< crimson_penguin> (and Frogatto)
20100315 22:39:06< Soliton> stikonas: ok, thanks. probably going to promote git(-svn) a bit at work. ;-)
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20100315 22:39:35< mordante> crimson_penguin, SDL 1.2.14 was planned to be released around Christmas _2008_
20100315 22:39:56< crimson_penguin> heh
20100315 22:40:19< crimson_penguin> and I still use 1.2.13 for Wesnoth, because .14 had a few problems for us, and also the performance was AWFUL
20100315 22:40:28< crimson_penguin> but strangely, the performance on my own game was much better with it
20100315 22:41:16< loonycyborg> crimson_penguin: I wonder whether you'll have those problems with 1.3..
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20100315 22:41:48< mordante> crimson_penguin, I still think that's because we force the order of the bytes in the colours
20100315 22:42:18< mordante> and probably that forces SDL to do some shifting and masking, slowing things down for you
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20100315 22:43:01< crimson_penguin> mordante: could be
20100315 22:45:26< mordante> still have a patch floating around, but rather wait for SDL 1.2.15... if that ever gets released
20100315 22:45:44< mordante> or a patch that fixed the mouse issue
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20100315 22:50:14< CIA-53> ivanovic * r41609 /trunk/utils/pofix.py: add a typo fix for the announcement to pofix.py
20100315 22:51:09< CIA-53> ivanovic * r41610 /website/start/1.8/ (59 files in 2 dirs): 
20100315 22:51:09< CIA-53> corrections and updates for the announcement
20100315 22:51:09< CIA-53> recreated po files, sending a message about the changes to the i18n mailing list
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20100315 22:55:12< CIA-53> caslav_ilic * r41611 /trunk/ (60 files in 26 dirs): Updated translations for Serbian.
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20100315 23:03:49< Ivanovic> gabm: no need for the original poster to change things when a mod/admin can do the same
20100315 23:03:51< mordante> Ivanovic, FYI I marked two of my bugs a blocker since I have a work-around for them no fix yet (but rather a work-around as nothing for 1.8)
20100315 23:03:58< Ivanovic> changed it to make it more obvious
20100315 23:04:20< Ivanovic> mordante: my current plan is to tag in 10 days if things go nicely
20100315 23:04:44< Ivanovic> that would be the 25th/26nd march
20100315 23:05:04< Ivanovic> and yeah, i feel tempted to announce the release of 1.8 on april 1st...
20100315 23:05:05< mordante> I know, but I also know blockers make you nervous ;-)
20100315 23:05:05< gabm> Ivanovic: it's common practice on other forums, so I figured it'd save mods some work that way
20100315 23:05:05< Ivanovic> ;)
20100315 23:05:34< mordante> :-)
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20100315 23:06:35< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: I think that announcing 1.8 on april 1st is a really good idea :P
20100315 23:06:53< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: yes, would save us out april fools joke
20100315 23:07:07< Ivanovic> if the release is too broken: "yeah, that was the joke!"
20100315 23:07:08< Ivanovic> ;)
20100315 23:07:18< Crab_> hehe
20100315 23:07:34< mordante> would be fun to upload wesnoth 0.4 instead of the real 1.8 ;-)
20100315 23:07:38< loonycyborg> That'll be a wicked joke. Everyone will think that it's a joke while it isn't :P
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20100315 23:08:33< Ivanovic> like i said, i am somehow tempted...
20100315 23:09:19< mordante> an evil release manager is some how tempted... how could that be :-P
20100315 23:13:10< Ivanovic> mordante: hey, i heard from kblin that they even have to bribe their release manager at samba
20100315 23:13:17< Ivanovic> so i am not even close to "evil"
20100315 23:13:51< mordante> no, no chocolate for you ;-)
20100315 23:14:09< mordante> we have evil developers as well ;-)
20100315 23:14:12< fendrin> Ivanovic: Replace httT with mark'O's time traveller campaign.
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20100315 23:16:30< Aethaeryn> Ivanovic: there's precedent for serious announcements on April 1st
20100315 23:16:33< Aethaeryn> Gmail.
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20100315 23:16:50< Aethaeryn> (I think it's branded Google Mail in Germany or something because there already was a Gmail...)
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20100315 23:20:59< mordante> Aethaeryn, indeed there was already a gmail in Germany
20100315 23:21:44< fendrin> Ivanovic: We collect the worst campaigns from the addon server and replace all mainline campaigns by them.
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20100315 23:24:51< Aethaeryn> why not make some terrible joke campaigns?
20100315 23:25:03< Aethaeryn> if it only takes *them* 30 minutes of effort...
20100315 23:25:15< Espreon> Let's make some Mary Sue campaigns...
20100315 23:25:38< Espreon> ... 'twill be like "My Immortal"...
20100315 23:33:24< CIA-53> ivanovic * r41612 /website/start/1.8/ (index.gl.html po/gl.po): updated Galician announcement translation
20100315 23:34:06< Ivanovic> not possible for 1.8
20100315 23:34:24< Ivanovic> that is: there is too much time required for all the distributions and packagers for all of them
20100315 23:34:36< Ivanovic> (and they got one week in advance to create their binaries)
20100315 23:34:58< Ivanovic> so it is just a plain normal "start of stable series" possibly on april 1st
20100315 23:35:29< Aethaeryn> You could announce 2 GB of storage, and climbing, too ;)
20100315 23:36:28< CIA-53> ivanovic * r41613 /trunk/ (6 files in 5 dirs): updated Japanese translation
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20100315 23:48:14< mordante> I'm off night
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