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20100328 00:00:29< fakedrake_> i dont quite get the iphone issue
20100328 00:01:08< Ivanovic> there is an iphone port that does work
20100328 00:01:20< Ivanovic> it uses by far less ram than the normal game
20100328 00:01:32< Ivanovic> but the code is an ugly hack and can not simply be backported
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20100328 00:02:04< fakedrake_> makes sense
20100328 00:02:37< boucman> night all
20100328 00:02:39< Ivanovic> one of the main changes that helps to save memory is the move from single images over to sprite sheets
20100328 00:02:43< fakedrake_> bye
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20100328 00:02:58< Ivanovic> that is why we think about having a "good" and sane implementation of those in mainline
20100328 00:03:22< Ivanovic> that is shadowmaster created some way to make use of spritesheets but his way is not memory saving
20100328 00:03:36< Ivanovic> (basically more of a "it can somehow be done" implementation)
20100328 00:04:17< fakedrake_> what i was conserned about was wether it would be enough to just have a single image wich is cut into smaller ones or
20100328 00:04:50< fakedrake_> it has to be one image all the way and just keep reading from different parts
20100328 00:05:12< shadowmaster> would be nice if there was a way to "look at parts of a surface" rather than "take part of a surface and copy it onto a new one"
20100328 00:05:22< Crab_> Upthorn / Upth: around ?
20100328 00:05:33< shadowmaster> (the latter is what ~CROP() indirectly does atm)
20100328 00:05:36< fakedrake_> ok
20100328 00:06:28< gabba> shadowmaster: yeah, about your ~CROP() function, do you have an idea of how hard it would be to teach the cache system not to cache sub-images?
20100328 00:06:33< fakedrake_> shadowmaster: is your patch in the main repository?
20100328 00:07:16< gabba> fakedrake_: not it's attached there: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=417828#p417828
20100328 00:07:25< boucman> gabba: the image cache is an area of wesnoth where the current knowledge is "parcelar" to say the least
20100328 00:07:28< shadowmaster> gabba: probably not very difficult. 
20100328 00:07:37< boucman> there are probably many memory improvements in this area
20100328 00:08:01< gabba> haha, I love those area of codes where no one dares to step
20100328 00:08:23< boucman> :)
20100328 00:08:29< gabba> kind of a "hot" neighborhood where the police gave up
20100328 00:08:42< boucman> and we lure students in them using GSoC and spritesheets as an excuse ;)
20100328 00:08:49< gabba> Noooooo!
20100328 00:08:53< shadowmaster> there could be made a way to detect in image::locator::load_image_sub_file() whether certain transformations have been done that should not allow the caller of load_from_disk() to insert a new cache entry
20100328 00:09:04< shadowmaster> image::locator::load_from_disk()
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20100328 00:09:59< fakedrake_> i think the code in there is ok
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20100328 00:11:14< fakedrake_> shadowmaster: i think it would be enough to rewrite part of the animation.hpp
20100328 00:11:27< fakedrake_> and animation.i
20100328 00:11:32< fakedrake_> (why is it .i?)
20100328 00:11:35< shadowmaster> admittedly, I have no idea about how the animation system works
20100328 00:11:36< boucman> fakedrake_: i'd be very suprised
20100328 00:11:56< shadowmaster> animation.i is .i because it's implementation code that's included as if it was a interface header file, I think
20100328 00:12:01< shadowmaster> er, *its
20100328 00:12:09< boucman> .i is for files that are not compiled, but only used as includes (like .h) but unlinke .h they do actually generate stuff when included
20100328 00:12:53< boucman> modification to animation.i is totally unrelated to images per-se
20100328 00:13:17< boucman> animations (as in the animation<> class) handle you "frame" changing over time
20100328 00:13:34< boucman> "frame" can be anything in the context of animation.hpp, not just images
20100328 00:13:51< boucman> it's an image when used in terrain, but it's definitely not when using a unit animation
20100328 00:14:04< fakedrake_> is it actually used for anything else excep images?
20100328 00:14:09< boucman> for unit animations it's a unit_frame as defined in unit_frame.hpp
20100328 00:14:17< Crab_> gabba: hi, you wanted to ask something ?
20100328 00:14:41< boucman> which is a very rich structure that contains an image, but it's not limited to that
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20100328 00:15:23< gabba> Crab_: hi, yes, just wanted to let you know I put some design notes up to follow up on our conversation the other day: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/GSoC-WesnothWhiteboard_Gabba
20100328 00:15:23< fakedrake_> hmm
20100328 00:15:37< Crab_> gabba: ok, I'll take a look
20100328 00:15:42< fakedrake_> i guess that could make things even easier than i thought
20100328 00:15:46< fakedrake_> (or even much harder)
20100328 00:15:46< gabba> Crab_: not very readable at the moment, but if you can decipher then, I'd appreciate your comments
20100328 00:15:55< gabba> Crab_: s/then/them
20100328 00:15:56< boucman> fakedrake_: :)
20100328 00:16:26< CIA-80> ivanovic * r41832 /trunk/ (8 files in 7 dirs): updated Slovak translation
20100328 00:16:54< boucman> fakedrake_: if you want to implement spritesheets in the wesnoth code side (which was my original idea, though gabba would implement it mainly through tools) you should write your design down on your web page in details
20100328 00:17:16< CIA-80> ivanovic * r41833 /branches/1.8/ (9 files in 8 dirs): updated Slovak translation
20100328 00:17:33< boucman> fyi, we are happy to review your page, critic and help you mature it as much as you want, it's not an "exam" situation where we don't look at your pages until they are finalized
20100328 00:18:08< fakedrake_> cool!
20100328 00:18:15< Ivanovic> in fact we are around to be asked questions and we try to answer them as good as we can
20100328 00:18:16< Ivanovic> ;)
20100328 00:18:28< boucman> (otoh, we don't want to review any single small change you do, so we will only review when you ask for it, you're the juge when you want us to review/have a specific question on your proposal)
20100328 00:18:54< fakedrake_> ok :)
20100328 00:18:57< gabba> boucman: are you the the dev who's pushing the sprite sheets idea the most?
20100328 00:19:08< fakedrake_> you guys are a very cool team
20100328 00:19:36< Ivanovic> hey, we want to have fun while developing wesnoth, too
20100328 00:19:37< gabba> boucman: because from the discussion thread, I'm not so sure the idea is wanted anymore
20100328 00:19:45< Ivanovic> in fact we tend to do it for the fun we have
20100328 00:19:45< boucman> probably, though the original request was from jetrel (art director)
20100328 00:19:56< Ivanovic> ;)
20100328 00:20:14< gabba> boucman: ah? he almost seems to be against it now, at least until the OpenGL rewrite
20100328 00:20:17< boucman> gabba: I have to admit I have doubts myself, i'll try to look more into it tomorow, 
20100328 00:20:42< boucman> the disk space gain is certain, and if the memory gain is as good as expected it's definitely worth it...
20100328 00:20:55< boucman> however, i'd need to somehow verify that
20100328 00:20:58< Ivanovic> yes, we should look how the possible opengl rewrite does affect this project
20100328 00:21:14< Ivanovic> though at least huge parts (the wml side of things) would not change if we use opengl on the backend
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20100328 00:22:17< fakedrake_> is openGL used directly in any part of the code?
20100328 00:22:28< boucman> no
20100328 00:23:00< fakedrake_> so why do we care about it?
20100328 00:23:12< Ivanovic> fakedrake_: because we consider to move over to opengl
20100328 00:23:21< gabba> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/WesnothGL
20100328 00:23:25< gabba> ???
20100328 00:23:42< Ivanovic> gabba: nope, this is ancient
20100328 00:23:54< gabba> ah
20100328 00:24:02< fakedrake_> oh
20100328 00:24:06< fakedrake_> i didnt know
20100328 00:24:24< Ivanovic> have a look at this mail on the dev-ml as well as "many" follow up mails that partly have different subjects: https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-dev/2010-02/msg00003.html
20100328 00:24:45< Crab_> gabba: first suggestion: clearly split things between 'engine' and 'interface'
20100328 00:24:49< Ivanovic> fakedrake_: if it was not such a huge thing to do we would have considered offering the move as SoC project, but it is too much
20100328 00:25:07< mordante> I'm off night
20100328 00:25:11< fakedrake_> it would be vary interesting
20100328 00:25:15< fakedrake_> bb
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20100328 00:25:33< gabba> Crab_: ok -- I think the milestones will stay more or less as is (but cleaned up),
20100328 00:25:51< gabba> Crab_: and I'll add a section describing the engine and interface parts separately
20100328 00:25:58< fakedrake_> actually i think you guys should put it near the end of the list
20100328 00:26:08< Crab_> gabba: I think that the milestones are less important that the 'implementation plan' atm
20100328 00:26:11< fakedrake_> just so we could at least start working on things
20100328 00:26:28< Crab_> gabba: since it's needed to clearly understand 'what shall be done'
20100328 00:26:31< Ivanovic> fakedrake_: huh?
20100328 00:26:36< fakedrake_> i mean
20100328 00:26:40< Ivanovic> fakedrake_: what should we put near the end of which list?
20100328 00:26:43< fakedrake_> i could be a proposal
20100328 00:26:46< gabba> Crab_: unless I misunterstand, it's the same for me...
20100328 00:26:51< fakedrake_> the opengl move
20100328 00:27:13< fakedrake_> anyway i am sure you thought it over
20100328 00:27:19< gabba> Crab_: or you mean the more concrete "this class will do this, this one will do that"?
20100328 00:27:38< Ivanovic> fakedrake_: in fact students are free to propose their own projects
20100328 00:27:55< Ivanovic> fakedrake_: but in general the move to opengl most likely does require several people working on things
20100328 00:27:55< Crab_> gabba: for the interface parts, some proposed mockups (just spend 1 hour to make them in any graphic editor)
20100328 00:28:11< Ivanovic> fakedrake_: which makes it rather problematic as SoC project
20100328 00:28:18< fakedrake_> surely
20100328 00:28:28< fakedrake_> true
20100328 00:28:40< Ivanovic> but if you got a good idea about opengl and all the likes and got a good plan for such a migration you are free to try to write up a proposal how things could work
20100328 00:28:44< gabba> Crab_: mmmkay (I hate mockups, but they're necessary :P)
20100328 00:29:03< Ivanovic> fakedrake_: you know, getting a good idea from the projects side done is always difficult for SoC
20100328 00:29:12< Ivanovic> it is a fine line between "not enough" and "too much"
20100328 00:29:32< Crab_> gabba: for the engine part, the API description and the analogy between the API of the whiteboard and the API of version control systems (if you do it the way we discussed, more or less)
20100328 00:29:42< fakedrake_> actually a couple of years ago a friend and i begun to code an asteroids game in SDL
20100328 00:30:01< fakedrake_> when the engine was almost done
20100328 00:30:37< fakedrake_> we discovered that we were achieving at most 100fps when beryl in the same machine did 300 or so
20100328 00:30:50< fakedrake_> (i dont remember the numbers exactly but it was dramatic)
20100328 00:30:51< gabba> Crab_: one thing I found weird while writing that is that after all, the version-control system analogy doesn't apply *that* much
20100328 00:30:56< Crab_> gabba: also, for the engine part, the sequences of API calls for common actions (e.g., "what will happen if ...", like "when player 1 does a delayed move, then we do OP1,OP2,OP3,OP4,OP5, ...")
20100328 00:31:10< fakedrake_> we checked our code again and again
20100328 00:31:20< fakedrake_> and decided tha sdl was too slow
20100328 00:31:31< gabba> Crab_: we could even do away with the strict ordering of planned events, if we force the player to confirm them one by one
20100328 00:31:36< Ivanovic> fakedrake_: if you are interested in doing open gl stuff you might want to read up the mailling list post i linked
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20100328 00:31:41< fakedrake_> (we wanted the game for a bet so this was crucial)
20100328 00:31:47< gabba> Crab_: ^^noted
20100328 00:31:47< Ivanovic> fakedrake_: it might at least be an interesting read
20100328 00:31:55< Crab_> gabba: and what you decided to use instead ? we need you to prove that it'll work, on paper :)
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20100328 00:32:37< shadowmaster> 100 fps slow? :(
20100328 00:32:50< fakedrake_> (the project was never finished due to school duties but i wanted to illustrate the point)
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20100328 00:33:06< Crab_> gabba: well, 'if we force the player to confirm them one by one' - that is the same ordering, just you get it from the player at 'move execution' time. but, that way, other players will not be able to see the ordering until move execution, which's not good.
20100328 00:33:06< Ivanovic> fakedrake_: in general at wesnoth we limit frames at something like 60fos
20100328 00:33:19< Ivanovic> that is: the exact limit comes from how the animation system works, boucman knows the details
20100328 00:33:21< fakedrake_> well we were greedy cuz as i said we were in a bet
20100328 00:33:42< fakedrake_> and directx of the other team did much more as far as we knew
20100328 00:33:43< boucman> wesnoth doesn't count on fps
20100328 00:33:54< shadowmaster> frogatto limits it to 50 fps, and supertux to 70 fps
20100328 00:34:04< gabba> Crab_: yeah, I'm gonna keep the strict ordering for that and another reason
20100328 00:34:04< Ivanovic> and yes, such a frame limit makes lots of sense for wesnoth since this way you need less power on mobile devices
20100328 00:34:15< boucman> wesnoth notes the time, redraws, then wait until it's time to redraw again
20100328 00:34:25< Ivanovic> (since power you just put into more fps where they are not required drains the battery and that's it)
20100328 00:34:39< Crab_> gabba: so, no actual coding required, but we need to look closely on the 'engine' part of your proposal, to ensure that it'll work without glitches.
20100328 00:34:40< gabba> Crab_: don't get me wrong, your idea is excellent and I want to apply it as much as I can, but it seems that simply re-checking all planned moves for conflicts after each "commited" move is enough
20100328 00:35:09< gabba> Crab_: i.e. there's no replaying of a sequence of changes as in version control systems
20100328 00:36:20< Ivanovic> fakedrake_: and yes, one of the hopes of a move to opengl would be that the game would run better with less resources
20100328 00:36:30< Ivanovic> especially on smaller devices like current smartphones
20100328 00:36:37< fakedrake_> thats where i was going with it
20100328 00:36:39< Crab_> gabba: git does it :) ' "First, rewinding head to replay your work on top of it..." is a common git message :)  '
20100328 00:36:49< Ivanovic> which tend to offer a 3d graphics processor but don't have "too much" cpu power
20100328 00:38:20< fakedrake_> does all that also mean "try not to rely too much on sdl tricks"?
20100328 00:38:25< Ivanovic> fakedrake_: all we have regarding opengl so far is that "eventually" it will be done but before doing so we need to find who does this
20100328 00:38:34< Crab_> gabba: basically, your ' re-checking all planned moves for conflicts after each "commited" move' is a 'merge algorithm'
20100328 00:39:05< Ivanovic> and we got no fixed plans regarind how exactly it will/should be done, as you can read in the archives of the dev ml
20100328 00:39:34< fakedrake_> (i shhould subscribe to that)
20100328 00:39:41< Ivanovic> :)
20100328 00:39:53< Ivanovic> often the lists are rather quiet, but the last two month were busy
20100328 00:41:06< Ivanovic> and we mainly use the list for the "big stuff" like policy changes and the likes
20100328 00:41:17< Ivanovic> as you might imagine, a switch to opengl is something bigger
20100328 00:41:18< Ivanovic> ;)
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20100328 00:41:38< fakedrake_> ok
20100328 00:41:43< Ivanovic> but main discussions normally happen in irc with some short resume of the results being sent to the dev-ml
20100328 00:41:54< Ivanovic> and now i'll head off to bed, too
20100328 00:41:55< Ivanovic> n8
20100328 00:42:03< fakedrake_> bye
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20100328 00:52:43< fakedrake_> hey Crab_
20100328 00:52:49< Crab_> hi, fakedrake_
20100328 00:52:57< fakedrake_> i just registered to the forum
20100328 00:53:15< fakedrake_> if you would be so kind to mark me as a soc applicant
20100328 00:53:22< fakedrake_> :)
20100328 00:56:30< Crab_> fakedrake_: ok
20100328 00:56:55< fakedrake_> tnx
20100328 01:09:30< crimson_penguin> http://64.201.60.211/web/status_error.jpg - known?
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20100328 01:41:29< fakedrake_> i m going to bed too
20100328 01:41:38< pokhbocee> hey Crab_
20100328 01:41:42< pokhbocee> how are you
20100328 01:41:43< Crab_> hi, pokhbocee
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20100328 01:42:01< pokhbocee> i have questions again :D
20100328 01:42:06< pokhbocee> if u dont mind
20100328 01:42:07< Crab_> that's good
20100328 01:42:44< pokhbocee> first thing is the lua engine is written in c++
20100328 01:42:52< pokhbocee> where r the wmp files
20100328 01:43:03< Crab_> wmp ?
20100328 01:43:16< pokhbocee> what is the extension of lua file?
20100328 01:43:34< pokhbocee> this is a better way to ask :D
20100328 01:43:38< Crab_> example test scenario is data/ai/scenarios/scenario-lua-ai.cfg
20100328 01:43:57< Crab_> it includes a few lua files, those can be found in data/ai/lua
20100328 01:44:08< Crab_> we usually use 'lua' extension
20100328 01:44:38< Crab_> e.g. data/lua/helper.lua data/lua/wml-tags.lua
20100328 01:47:37< pokhbocee> oh i see
20100328 01:49:29< pokhbocee> ok thanks alot :D
20100328 01:52:17< Crab_> np
20100328 01:52:21< Crab_> glad to help
20100328 01:59:14< gabba> bye all
20100328 01:59:26< sjs25> Later
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20100328 03:01:24< Crab_> wesbot: seen Theodore
20100328 03:01:24< wesbot> Crab_: The person with the nick theodore 1h 52m ago person left:
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20100328 03:06:06< Crab_> Theodore: if you read the logs... I've created a short list of questions at http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC_Ideas_Network_Stack_Rewrite#Questions - it'll be good to see the answers (e.g., on your wiki page or here on irc)
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20100328 03:23:37< Upthorn> ... damn I missed him by 10 minutes
20100328 03:28:40< pokhbocee> :)
20100328 03:55:27< CIA-80> esr * r41834 /trunk/data/tools/wmllint: Handle id in [set_menu_item] as a declaration.
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20100328 03:58:21< Upthorn> Crab_: if you read the logs, I saw that you wanted to speak to me. In the future, if I am not responsive on IRC, you can easily get hold of me via email to upthorn@gmail.com
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20100328 04:17:01< CIA-80> esr * r41836 /trunk/data/tools/wmllint: Blatant hack to pass [side] declararuons that are all macros, as in Dead Water.
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20100328 05:18:20< CIA-80> esr * r41838 /trunk/data/tools/wmllint: Fix a minor bug in wmllint revealed by Dead WAter.
20100328 05:45:40< CIA-80> esr * r41839 /trunk/data/campaigns/ (6 files in 4 dirs): 
20100328 05:45:40< CIA-80> Convert some die events to last breath events because the dying
20100328 05:45:40< CIA-80> characters speak in them. These should have been caught sooner, but
20100328 05:45:40< CIA-80> there was a minor bug in wmllint's detection logic for this case.
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20100328 09:53:38< ancestral> Shouldn't alternate artwork have both an alternate and black background images both?
20100328 09:53:44< ancestral> For portraits I mean
20100328 09:53:53< ancestral> *transparent and black background
20100328 09:54:02< boucman> morning all
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20100328 10:19:56< ancestral> Alright, I filed a bug report for that
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20100328 10:22:11< ancestral> Grrr, 1 MB limit
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20100328 10:59:47< mordante> servus
20100328 11:00:00< fendrin> mordante: hi
20100328 11:00:05< mordante> hi fendrin 
20100328 11:01:05< fendrin> boucman: Do you want to review my changes to display game_display and editor_display? Or shall I commit them right away without another developer reviewing them?
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20100328 11:14:13< boucman> fendrin: how confident do you feel ?
20100328 11:18:17< fendrin> boucman: I am sure that the commit will trigger problems and introduce more bugs.
20100328 11:20:00< fendrin> But there is plenty of time to catch them before the first release of 1.9.
20100328 11:20:11< fendrin> I would like to do that in several steps.
20100328 11:21:02< fendrin> First only base the editor_display on top of game_display, not changing anything else in the editor. That will enable animated terrains in the editor and shouldn't have any other effects. 
20100328 11:21:47< fendrin> If that is stable enough I want to commit the rest of the editor changes in several steps.
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20100328 11:23:41< boucman> fendrin: go for it
20100328 11:23:49< boucman> as you say, 1.9 is not here before may
20100328 11:25:16< fendrin> Okay, nevertheless I will try to be careful with it. At least that will give you a better test environment for your terrain work soon.
20100328 11:26:16< boucman> :)
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20100328 11:30:50< Ivanovic> moin
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20100328 11:31:34< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
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20100328 12:30:05< fendrin> wesbot: seen AI0867
20100328 12:30:05< wesbot> fendrin: Queried user last spoke 1d 8h ago.  AI0867 is currently here and on the channel #wesnoth-umc-dev.
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20100328 12:42:55< CIA-80> silene * r41840 /trunk/src/ (50 files in 10 dirs): 
20100328 12:42:55< CIA-80> Removed locations from unit maps so that they are not duplicated.
20100328 12:42:55< CIA-80> As a side effect, iterators became much nicer, e.g. usable in foreach.
20100328 12:43:00< CIA-80> silene * r41841 /trunk/data/scenario-test.cfg: Fixed test scenario not starting due to the removal of Kaleh.
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20100328 12:43:37< fendrin> silene: You did remove Kaleh from the test scenario?
20100328 12:43:59< silene> fendrin: no, but someone moved away the utbs files, so the test scenario was broken
20100328 12:44:24< fendrin> Oh, I guess that was Espreon.
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20100328 12:54:06< fakedrake> morning
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20100328 12:58:30< fendrin> Crab_: Your cmake fixes may be causing cmake not creating proper eclipse projects any longer...
20100328 12:58:48< Crab_> fendrin: not true, I've not committed them yet :)))
20100328 12:58:56< fendrin> hmmm
20100328 12:59:03 * fendrin cries.
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20100328 12:59:39< Ivanovic> fendrin: uhm, IIRC there were no cmake changes lately
20100328 13:04:16< Upthorn> oh, Crab_
20100328 13:04:22< Upthorn> you wer elooking for me yesterday.
20100328 13:05:46< Upthorn> were looking, even.
20100328 13:06:45< Crab_> Upthorn: yes
20100328 13:07:20< Crab_> Upthorn: I wanted to ask about your MSVC compilation - I saw that you hit the 'static initialization order' segfaults, too. have you fixed them for you ?
20100328 13:07:55< Upthorn> mordante made a commit which fixed them, yes.
20100328 13:08:39< Crab_> when ?
20100328 13:09:15< Upthorn> [2010-03-27 03:16:27] <CIA-80> mordante * r41791 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/settings.cpp:
20100328 13:09:20< Upthorn> GMT-7.
20100328 13:10:10< Crab_> ok, thanks. (I've got more of them with another way of MSVC compilation)
20100328 13:10:15< Crab_> that's what I've wanted to know, thanks
20100328 13:15:32< Upthorn> No problem.
20100328 13:16:15< fakedrake> um guys, tha questionaire in the template of the student proposal
20100328 13:16:31< fakedrake> i dont think is correct
20100328 13:16:44< Ivanovic> really?
20100328 13:16:55< fakedrake> take a look
20100328 13:16:57< Upthorn> what do you think is wrong?
20100328 13:17:05< fakedrake> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SOC_Template_of_Student_Page#Questionnaire
20100328 13:17:13< fakedrake> its about the organization
20100328 13:17:17< fakedrake> not teh student
20100328 13:17:30< Crab_> fakedrake: thanks/fixed
20100328 13:17:43< Crab_> fakedrake: the section in the org questionnaire got renamed, and the link was broken
20100328 13:17:44< fakedrake> :)
20100328 13:18:04< Upthorn> oh yeah it wasn't linking to the right section, that's true
20100328 13:18:20< Upthorn> people seem to have managed to find the right section and fill it out anyway.
20100328 13:21:06< fakedrake> yeah actually it was mostly my bad, i was expecting a wiki page dedicated to the student questionaire
20100328 13:22:29< Ivanovic> fakedrake: since google expects us to directly provide such a questionaire with the application we have it stored just there
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20100328 13:22:37< Ivanovic> saves us from keeping two of them in sync
20100328 13:22:55< Crab_> and from the students wondering 'which one is correct?'///
20100328 13:23:16< Ivanovic> and yes, our form is excessive compared to what other orgs ask
20100328 13:23:18< timotei21> hello guys
20100328 13:23:23< Crab_> hi, timotei21
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20100328 13:24:18< timotei> so crab_, I'm bothering again, have you managed to finish the cmake?
20100328 13:24:32< timotei> or at least, just not to question you over and over again, will you commit the changes?
20100328 13:24:49< timotei> cause I'm subscribed to the commits, so I can see pretty easy if you update the cmake
20100328 13:25:13< Crab_> timotei: yes and no.it compiles ok and I can send you the file(s), but it crashes on start due to some static initialization order issues, which I want to fix.
20100328 13:26:03< timotei> well, I'll wait patiently until it works
20100328 13:26:13< Crab_> ok
20100328 13:29:02< fakedrake> going to eat and ill be back
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20100328 13:50:58-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.8.0 tagged, announcing on April 1st | 75 bugs, 256 feature requests, 10 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20100328 13:54:04< Ivanovic> silene: you saw this one? https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?15701
20100328 13:55:27< silene> Ivanovic: yes, but i'm quite confused by the report; "Still better is to auto-detect presence of dbus/libnotify/etc." <- this has been the case for a long time already; so 'im not quite sure what the user is complaining about
20100328 13:55:45< Ivanovic> silene: this is all about *build time*
20100328 13:55:52< Ivanovic> silene: what the user means is "at runtime"
20100328 13:56:12< silene> Ivanovic: yes, that's what i mean too
20100328 13:56:20< Ivanovic> silene: eg when a user installs the debian package which is build with libnotify support but does not want to use notifications
20100328 13:56:37< Ivanovic> mordante, ilor: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?15716
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20100328 14:00:50< Ivanovic> silene: though i think it might also make sense to provide a way ingame to turn those notifications off
20100328 14:01:12< Ivanovic> silene: that is: currently, if you have a notification system, you get the notifications (unless explicitly compiled out)
20100328 14:01:37< Ivanovic> silene: or is the an undocumented --disable-notifications runtime option?
20100328 14:03:16< silene> Ivanovic: you get notifications if you passed to wesnoth an environment variable saying how to access dbus
20100328 14:03:20< timotei> crab_ or fendrin, I have a question about the eclipse plugin
20100328 14:03:33< fendrin> timotei: sure, go on
20100328 14:03:58< Ivanovic> silene: ehm, there is nothing you as a user explicitly do
20100328 14:04:04< Ivanovic> that is all stuff that comes from your system
20100328 14:04:05< timotei> I'm trying to integrate the existing codebase with the xtext lib - as a prototype - should I try to import the 3 generated projects by xtext, in the whole "eclipse_plugin" project?
20100328 14:04:19< timotei> we're talking here about the structure of the plugin
20100328 14:04:50< fendrin> which 3 generated projects?
20100328 14:05:17< timotei> well, xtext, generates 3 projects at start
20100328 14:05:18< Crab_> timotei: treat those as separate projects, for now
20100328 14:05:21< Ivanovic> silene: what the user wants (which i think is a valid request) is some "advanced preferences" named "enable desktop notifications"
20100328 14:05:23< timotei> ok
20100328 14:05:55< Ivanovic> silene: since at the moment there is no intuitive way to turn notifications off just for wesnoth unless compiling yourself
20100328 14:06:09< Crab_> timotei: after all, we can specify dependencies for eclipse plugin...
20100328 14:06:13< silene> Ivanovic: i can add it; but since the user also wants dynamic detection of dbus (which already exists), i'm not sure that's what the user actually wants
20100328 14:06:19< timotei> yeah
20100328 14:06:20< timotei> ok
20100328 14:06:38< Ivanovic> silene: regarind what the user said some days ago in #wesnoth: such a preference option is *exactly* what he wants
20100328 14:07:25< Crab_> timotei: also note the data/schema.cfg file
20100328 14:07:40< timotei> yes, that's what I wanted to ask.
20100328 14:08:08< timotei> in the existing umc plugin, there are some packages: org.wesnoth.wml.(core|schema|schema.impl)
20100328 14:08:18< timotei> that's wants to be the implementation of the schema.cfg file?
20100328 14:08:53< timotei> is it intended to be replaced by the xtext defined schema, if we chose Xtext?
20100328 14:08:54< Ivanovic> silene: http://wesnoth.org/irclogs/2010/03/%23wesnoth.2010-03-26.log
20100328 14:09:10< Ivanovic> starting here: 20100326 10:28:31
20100328 14:09:18< Crab_> that's the interface (and stub implementation) of the code that'll expose the WML schema to the ui wizard's code
20100328 14:10:36< Crab_> timotei: if you get the xtext-based schemas up and running, we might need to switch the interface, or hide xtext's interface via a facade
20100328 14:11:07< Crab_> depends on how easy it to query xtext schema directly
20100328 14:11:21< fendrin> timotei: The idea is not to have hardcoded wizards but to generate them from the schema.cfg.
20100328 14:11:35< Crab_> e.g., 'what tags can be there in [campaign] tags?' is a question that needs to be asked by code
20100328 14:12:07< timotei> yes... I don't like (and even if it happens, I try to fix it) to hardcode things
20100328 14:17:05< CIA-80> silene * r41842 /trunk/ (data/advanced_preferences.cfg src/game_display.cpp): Added advanced preference for disabling notifications. (FR #15701.)
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20100328 14:57:03< Ivanovic> mordante: what is the current status regarind "new auto newlines possible in titles"?
20100328 14:57:20< Ivanovic> mordante: testcase: try to start dark forecast in german in 1024x768
20100328 15:02:21< mordante> Ivanovic, kind of forgotten about it :-(
20100328 15:02:27< Ivanovic> :)
20100328 15:05:09< Ivanovic> want a bugreport about this?
20100328 15:05:47< mordante> I added it to my own TODO list, should be enough... last time I just forgot to add it
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20100328 15:08:08< Ivanovic> adding a bugreport anyway
20100328 15:08:52< mordante> ok, then I surely won't forget 
20100328 15:14:22< Ivanovic> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?15727
20100328 15:15:13< Ivanovic> no idea if other entries are affected by this, too
20100328 15:15:21< Ivanovic> at least for caption= it is valid
20100328 15:15:44< mordante> the problem is no wrapping allowed and no scrollbars
20100328 15:17:55< Ivanovic> jupp
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20100328 15:27:05< CIA-80> silene * r41843 /trunk/src/unit_map.hpp: Removed useless class unit_map::convertible.
20100328 15:27:16< CIA-80> silene * r41845 /trunk/src/ (config.hpp shared_string.hpp): Removed unused header.
20100328 15:27:28< CIA-80> silene * r41846 /trunk/src/ (formula.cpp formula.hpp): Removed unused function game_logic::formula::create_string_formula.
20100328 15:27:32< CIA-80> silene * r41847 /trunk/src/ (10 files): Removed unused class tportrait.
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20100328 15:28:40< Iskander> Hi all
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20100328 15:29:09< mordante> hi Iskander 
20100328 15:29:43< Iskander> Can i print variable in :lua wesnoth.fire("message", ... command?
20100328 15:30:18< Iskander> Hi mordante
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20100328 15:56:37< Crab_> Iskander: yes, just like you'd write a normal [message] tag. e.g.,    :lua wesnoth.fire("message",{message="$side_number"}) to display the $side_number variable
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20100328 16:04:33< Iskander> Crab_: Thank you
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20100328 16:05:06< Crab_> you can also use the gamestate inspector (:inspect) if you want to see the values of all WML variables
20100328 16:07:07< mordante> Crab_, did you add the formula debugger?
20100328 16:08:00< Crab_> mordante: yes, it was done. but all but the simplest cases hit bug #14145
20100328 16:08:40< mordante> Crab_, ok that explains why it's hidden under the gui2 switch
20100328 16:10:06< Crab_> bug #14145 is my favorite gui2 bug, that is :)
20100328 16:10:23< mordante> I love them all equally ;-)
20100328 16:10:33< Crab_> :)
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20100328 16:29:47< Ivanovic> mordante: and there are several that deserve your love
20100328 16:29:48< Ivanovic> ;)
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20100328 17:02:40< CIA-80> soliton * r41848 /trunk/data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/1_Tutorial.cfg: cut some similar strings into the equal parts to reduce translation work
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20100328 17:37:20< mordante> Ivanovic, I love 'em all, that's why I keep them around :-P
20100328 17:38:13< Ivanovic> tststs
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20100328 17:39:26< orfest> hi everybody!
20100328 17:39:31< Crab_> hi, orfest
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20100328 17:39:50< orfest> Crab_: I had a look at libcurl
20100328 17:39:51< Crab_> orfest: it's nice to see you around again
20100328 17:40:03< orfest> Crab_: sorry, I was away for the weekend :)
20100328 17:40:19< Crab_> orfest: np with that, there's still plenty of time
20100328 17:40:59< Crab_> orfest: so, returning to the original question, what types of proxies we can support, if we code a network stack using boost::asio, and how hard it'll be ?
20100328 17:41:06< mordante> hi orfest 
20100328 17:41:10< orfest> mordante: hi
20100328 17:41:43< mordante> Ivanovic, I might kill a few later this week, but it will hurt me ;-)
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20100328 17:42:16< Crab_> mordante: we'll have to find new ones for you :))
20100328 17:42:24< orfest> Crab_: do you mean types of authentication ?
20100328 17:42:29< Crab_> orfest: yes
20100328 17:42:42< mordante> Crab_, that would be sweet
20100328 17:44:37< orfest> Crab_: it's stated that libCurl supports 5 types of autharization, but I'm not familiar with any of them =(
20100328 17:44:50< orfest> Crab_: Basic, Digest, NTLM, Negotiate, Kerberos4
20100328 17:45:15< Crab_> 'basic, digest, ntlm' are most interesting, imo
20100328 17:45:18< orfest> Crab_: I believe Basic and NTLM covers the majority of proxies
20100328 17:46:12< Crab_> digest is useful, too. as a more secure form than basic, but not tied to microsoft
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20100328 17:47:43< Crab_> orfest: so, can we integrate that support (Basic and NTLM, and Digest, too) via libcurl ?
20100328 17:48:39< orfest> Crab_: I believe it is possible. Unfortunately, but I still can't find any examples of using boostasio together with libcurl
20100328 17:49:20< Crab_> ok. lets put this question aside,then, and concentrate on the next ones
20100328 17:49:43< Crab_> (be sure to note the results of your investigation on your wiki page)
20100328 17:50:13< Crab_> I want you to answer the questions from http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC_Ideas_Network_Stack_Rewrite#Questions
20100328 17:50:39< orfest> Crab_: also it's bad that libcurl uses it's own "sockets"
20100328 17:50:57< Crab_> yes, it's more like a separate library..
20100328 17:51:00< orfest> Crab_: and I don't see an easy way to mix boost socket and libcurl handlers %)
20100328 17:55:04< Reginleifu> As I play through the campaign
20100328 17:55:21< Reginleifu> I find myself growing ridiculously attached to this one Rambo-esque elven ranger
20100328 17:56:00< Reginleifu> hmm
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20100328 17:56:10< Reginleifu> time to take a quick look at some of the projects
20100328 17:57:56< Shuger> hi, i have a question about GSoC application template. Can you clear up what exactly should be written in point 4.5?
20100328 17:58:03< Crab_> orfest: also take a look at http://cntlm.sourceforge.net/
20100328 17:58:24< Shuger> It's project section point: " Include as much technical detail about your implementation as you can"
20100328 17:59:23< Crab_> Shuger: basically, you should describe 'what you want to do and how do you want to do it'
20100328 17:59:50< Crab_> Shuger:  take a look at any of the accepted SoC proposals for 2009, they sometimes have a lot of such information :)
20100328 18:00:21< Crab_> Shuger: basically, I suggest leaving 4.5 empty
20100328 18:00:40< Crab_> Shuger: and including all the proposal details on your wiki page, but outside of the questionnaire
20100328 18:00:50< Shuger> ok :)
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20100328 18:01:09< Crab_> Shuger: e.g. see http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeProposal_AI_Improvement_Crab#Proposal_Summary
20100328 18:01:10< Shuger> thanks for advice, i'll take a look on 2009 page then
20100328 18:01:42< Crab_> Shuger: no need to write as much, but you should describe 'what you intend to do' in detail.
20100328 18:04:38< orfest> Crab_: so, if this thing really can wrap Basic into NTLM, we can add support of Basic only?
20100328 18:04:47< Crab_> yes
20100328 18:05:34< orfest> Crab_: then it even becomes possible not to introduce a dependency on libcurl but to put little efforts and code Basic by hands?
20100328 18:05:43< Crab_> yes, I think so
20100328 18:06:08< mordante> IIRC basic is rather simple
20100328 18:06:28< orfest> Crab_: won't we ever consider adding a new proxy type?
20100328 18:06:39< Shuger> your unit testing framework is based on some other one?
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20100328 18:07:10< Crab_> Shuger: wesnoth has boost::test (see src/tests)
20100328 18:08:00< Crab_> orfest: well, I think that the architecture should allow for extension, if, in the future, we decide otherwise. but, for now, we can stick to two types - 'no auth' and 'basic auth'
20100328 18:08:55< orfest> Crab_: ok, I will return with some ideas on Tuesday :-)
20100328 18:09:02< Crab_> orfest: good
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20100328 18:09:20< Shuger> i heard boost one is pretty good. i have been using unittest++ for my own projects
20100328 18:09:36< Crab_> orfest: have you looked at wesnoth's network client/server code ?
20100328 18:10:04< orfest> Crab_: mainly at client's network code
20100328 18:10:47< Crab_> ok
20100328 18:12:16< Crab_> then, I'll await the sketches of the design you're proposing for our network code (basically, a high-level overview of what you want to do). Later, we'll want to eventually get down to a more detailed timeline
20100328 18:12:49< Crab_> ask questions, if needed
20100328 18:13:03< Crab_> orfest: then, good luck
20100328 18:13:14< mordante> I'm off bye
20100328 18:13:18< orfest> Crab_: thank you :-)
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20100328 18:38:55< silene> Soliton: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=29344
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20100328 20:10:06< Darkas> Crab_: hi
20100328 20:10:18< Crab_> hello, Darkas
20100328 20:10:43< Darkas> I was busy the last days with playing wesnot, and getting out a few good defence stragegies ;)
20100328 20:11:06< Darkas> but I need someone to discuss about these, maybe a good player
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20100328 20:12:38< Darkas> do you know anyone I could ask?
20100328 20:12:54< gabba> hi
20100328 20:13:04< Crab_> Darkas: no. I think that a good idea is to try posting in the forum
20100328 20:13:22< Crab_> gabba: hi
20100328 20:13:27< Darkas> Crab_: ok
20100328 20:13:27< gabba> hey Crab_
20100328 20:13:31< Darkas> hi gabba
20100328 20:13:40< gabba> hey Darkas
20100328 20:14:48< Darkas> Crab_: should I post that rather in Ideas or Stragegies & Tips?
20100328 20:14:54< gabba> Darkas: on the people to bug on IRC page, there's a mention of at least one of the devs who's a very good player, too
20100328 20:15:14< Crab_> gabba: it's quite hard to catch DK online these days
20100328 20:15:43< gabba> Ah, it's him. Didn't see him around.
20100328 20:15:45< Darkas> :)
20100328 20:16:05< Crab_> strategies&tips, I think
20100328 20:16:20< Darkas> ok
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20100328 20:18:01< timotei> well, I'm back
20100328 20:18:10< Crab_> hi, timotei
20100328 20:18:13< timotei> I see that we were "splitted" among the selected projects
20100328 20:18:26< Crab_> timotei: yes, I've reorganized the wiki page a bit
20100328 20:18:37< gabba> yeah, the wiki page "reorganized itself". It's magic!
20100328 20:18:43< timotei> :D
20100328 20:18:55< gabba> magic helped by Crab_, I guess
20100328 20:19:06< timotei> Crab, just for my records... how old were you last year? when participated in GSOC?
20100328 20:19:21< Crab_> I was 23 then
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20100328 20:19:21< timotei> cause I just can't imagine my self, yet, doing the work/proposal you've done
20100328 20:19:33< timotei> oh
20100328 20:20:07< timotei> ok
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20100328 20:23:40< Crab_> Darkas: ping me when you've created that thread
20100328 20:23:48< Darkas> Crab_: ok
20100328 20:31:13< gabba> Any advice on what revision I should start the checkout at with git-svn?
20100328 20:31:21< timotei> HEAD?
20100328 20:31:33< gabba> I'd like to have some history, but I don't want it to take days
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20100328 20:31:51< Crab_> gabba: you can start from a ready svn tarball
20100328 20:31:56< gabba> HEAD? lol, with some projects, people fetch the entire history :P
20100328 20:32:16< timotei> oh...
20100328 20:32:25< gabba> Crab_: ahh, sounds like a good idea -- they have them on gna!, isn't it?
20100328 20:32:33< timotei> Wesnoth is really big...
20100328 20:33:00< gabba> timotei: http://utsl.gen.nz/talks/git-svn/intro.html
20100328 20:33:18< Crab_> gabba: see query.
20100328 20:33:30< timotei> well, why fetch entire history??
20100328 20:33:39< timotei> just in case you're internet connection is lost?
20100328 20:33:59< timotei> but I'll read it
20100328 20:34:08< Crab_> timotei: just in case you'll need to find out where and when the specific line had appeared :)
20100328 20:34:42< timotei> :D
20100328 20:35:09< Crab_> or if you want to find out 'what is the data of the oldest todo in wesnoth's code?' :)
20100328 20:35:44< Ivanovic> it might be really helpfull in the unexpected case that you are eg at fosdem and there is no working internet available (again) just in the moment where you want to look up whom is responsible for this lovely (or ugly) part of the code
20100328 20:36:25< Crab_> or if the gna goes down, we'll have the entire history backed up in a large number of places :)
20100328 20:36:32< gabba> git is supposed to be very space-efficient, I don't know how much it manages to compact wesnoth, with all the binary art files in there...
20100328 20:36:36< Ivanovic> yes, flacky internet at fosdem *is* really an unlikely event
20100328 20:42:45< fendrin> Ivanovic: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=418034#p418034
20100328 20:44:19< stikonas> gabba: with svn it is about 500 MB in svn and the same amount in checkout, so 1 GB, with git it is about 1.5 GB and 500 MB so 2 GB in total
20100328 20:44:49< Ivanovic> fendrin: that is for soliton
20100328 20:45:08< gabba> stikonas: twice the size for the entire history? count me in!
20100328 20:45:15< timotei> :))
20100328 20:45:24< fendrin> Soliton:  http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=418034#p418034 
20100328 20:47:53< gabba> I heard mercurial is even better though, with better rename-tracking and the like -- except it doesn't integrate as well with svn
20100328 20:48:11< gabba> and now you have free mercurial repos on google code I think
20100328 20:49:31< gabba> Are there any good free git repos I could push my changes to before switching computers? (If I'm not ready to dcommit?)
20100328 20:49:35< timotei> crab, fendrin: do you know any class to diagram plugin?
20100328 20:49:44< timotei> just like in visual studio's Class Diagram feature
20100328 20:50:41< Crab_> gabba: can you just carry your repo with you on something like 'an external hdd' ?
20100328 20:51:28< gabba> Crab_: feasible, but less handy than the svn server I have at school
20100328 20:51:59< gabba> with my laptop and all the books, I don't really want to carry an HDD and its power and usb cords
20100328 20:52:17< gabba> Maybe it can fit on a USB stick though?
20100328 20:52:28< Crab_> gabba: 1.7 gb, so 4gb flash will be ok
20100328 20:52:44< gabba> Don't know if the data transfer would be fast enough to work
20100328 20:53:11< gabba> But hey, I can try that
20100328 20:54:06< timotei> Crab_, I'm looking at the SchemaFactory...
20100328 20:54:15< timotei> this is still just a stub with no applications right?
20100328 20:56:58< Darkas> Crab_: the topic is at: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=29347
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20100328 20:58:06< Crab_> Darkas: ok, thanks. I've made it 'sticky' for the time being, too allow more people to notice it.
20100328 20:58:39< Darkas> Crab_: that's great, thanks
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20100328 21:00:53< Crab_> also, I've taken the liberty to edit the topic name to add a "?" to it
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20100328 21:08:50< Ivanovic> gabba: speed of a flash drive should be fast enough for everyday operations
20100328 21:09:03< Ivanovic> especially since you write by far less often than you read
20100328 21:09:52< Crab_> timotei: SchemaFactory is a stub, yes
20100328 21:10:26< Crab_> timotei: to be more specific, only the initialization part is stub
20100328 21:10:32< timotei> yes
20100328 21:10:41< Crab_> timotei: getSchemaForTag and getSchemaForTag are fine.
20100328 21:10:55< timotei> I've come across a little "problem"
20100328 21:10:57< CIA-64> ivanovic * r41851 /branches/1.8/po/wesnoth-httt/sk.po: updated Slovak translation
20100328 21:11:02< CIA-64> ivanovic * r41852 /trunk/po/wesnoth-httt/sk.po: updated Slovak translation
20100328 21:11:03< Crab_> timotei: which one ?
20100328 21:11:12< timotei> eveytime we change our schema.cfg we will need to build again
20100328 21:11:14< timotei> the plugin
20100328 21:11:18< timotei> if we will use xtext
20100328 21:11:39< timotei> maybe it can be "generated" dynamically... but I need to research much
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20100328 21:12:56< timotei> because, xtext, generates the ui/editor based on a xtext-type-schema file...
20100328 21:13:24< Crab_> then create it and let xtext generate it's editor :)
20100328 21:13:49< Crab_> and then, initialize the SchemaFactory based on xtext's schema
20100328 21:16:33< mysticX> ilor: may I ask something?
20100328 21:16:54< timotei> just ask, and he'll respond when is online
20100328 21:17:02< ilor> mysticX: "just ask" is the usual policy
20100328 21:17:17< mysticX> ok
20100328 21:17:44< mysticX> until when is bug #15650 postponed please? is it going to be in some later 1.8 release or 1.9?
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20100328 21:18:12< Ivanovic> wesbot: bug #15650
20100328 21:18:13< wesbot> Bug #15650  Assigned to: Tomasz Śniatowski <ilor>  Status: Postponed  Priority: 3 - Low
20100328 21:18:16< wesbot> Summary: lobby messages keep getting deleted
20100328 21:18:18< wesbot> Original submission: mp lobby room chat log, and all whisper room logs get era
20100328 21:18:22< wesbot> sed whenever the user leaves the main lobby (so enters a game as observer/player
20100328 21:18:24< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?15650
20100328 21:18:50< ilor> mysticX: tbh it's somewhat far down on the list, given that there still seem to be some lurking crashes
20100328 21:19:12< ilor> if it gets done it will be ported to 1.8
20100328 21:19:29< mysticX> thank you
20100328 21:21:03< fendrin> esr: Regarding https://gna.org/bugs/?15718. Do you think that is LoW specific?
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20100328 21:24:04< fendrin> Ivanovic: Please explain me how I handle duplicate bugs.
20100328 21:24:04< esr> fendrin: I don't know.  LoW is the only place I've seen it, but I suspect it's a core bug that manifests there because lots of scenarios have multiple AI sides.
20100328 21:24:39< fendrin> esr: Thanks, I will ask Crab_ to have a look. Crab_?
20100328 21:25:44< Crab_> fendrin: AI reuses standard movement routine from actions.cpp, it doesn't move units or center screen by itself
20100328 21:27:36< CIA-64> zookeeper * r41853 /branches/1.8/data/core/units/drakes/ (Clasher.cfg Enforcer.cfg Thrasher.cfg): Ported r41831 to 1.8.
20100328 21:28:48< Soliton> fendrin: you mention the bug number of the original bug and close as duplicate.
20100328 21:29:24< Soliton> fendrin: if there is some additional info in the duplicate you can also reference it from the original.
20100328 21:30:06< timotei> Crab_ have you succesfully export a dummy eclipse plugin?
20100328 21:30:10< timotei> and then try to import it?
20100328 21:30:47< Crab_> fendrin: try to check if /unit_display.cpp +116 (move_unit) is correct
20100328 21:31:52< Crab_> timotei: no, haven't tried it yet.
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20100328 21:39:47< zookeeper> great, i listed the campaign scenarios i think need partial re-implementation, and i found 10. :x and that's excluding NR, LoW, DM, AOI and THoT entirely.
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20100328 21:46:04< fendrin> zookeeper: you can add +3 for LoW to the number.
20100328 21:46:10< fendrin> Soliton: Thank you
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20100328 21:46:38< Crab_> fendrin: only +3 ?
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20100328 21:47:15< fendrin> Crab_: More?
20100328 21:47:45< Crab_> 21 ?
20100328 21:48:00< Crab_> we'll need to touch them all for MP things like extra keeps
20100328 21:48:16< fendrin> right
20100328 21:49:22< fendrin> But I wouldn't call that a redesign or re imlementation.
20100328 21:50:02< fendrin> The north elves (Uradredia's home) needs a new map.
20100328 21:50:12< fendrin> Battle of the book.
20100328 21:50:17< fendrin> Chief must die.
20100328 21:50:22< fendrin> Elvish assassins.
20100328 21:50:38< fendrin> And the last scenario could be better.
20100328 21:50:58< Crab_> yes, right
20100328 21:51:01< zookeeper> yeah, i didn't mean technical issues, just scenarios which could have their maps and special gameplay mechanics improved.
20100328 21:51:46< zookeeper> like for example there's no need to have the assassin in EI to just seemingly disappear into a forest only to be spawned next to the enemy leader a couple turns later. now it could be trying to actually sneak through the forest, so the player could try to catch it.
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20100328 21:52:36< fendrin> zookeeper: Add 13 scenarios for UtBS!
20100328 21:52:41< zookeeper> that is, my general tendency is to try to make as many special events happen within the bounds of the core gameplay rules as possible.
20100328 21:52:51< zookeeper> fendrin, hmm...
20100328 21:52:52< zookeeper> no :)
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20100328 21:53:36< fendrin> zookeeper: what?
20100328 21:53:43< neoxro> hi all
20100328 21:54:28< zookeeper> fendrin, do it yourself!
20100328 21:55:04< boucman> fendrin: around ?
20100328 21:55:11< fendrin> boucman: yes
20100328 21:55:19< fendrin> zookeeper: Hä?
20100328 21:55:52< boucman> fendrin: about the diply point flying around during AI turn... 
20100328 21:56:06< boucman> it's probably in my area...
20100328 21:56:23< Crab_> hi, neoxro
20100328 21:56:32< neoxro> :D
20100328 21:57:11< zookeeper> fendrin, oh. i thought you meant i should add 13 scenarios to UtBS, not add the scenarios to my list ;)
20100328 21:57:19< zookeeper> nevermind ;)
20100328 21:57:24< boucman> fendrin: how much did you debug it so far ?
20100328 21:57:46< fendrin> boucman: Cool, I wouldn't even know where to start. Did nothing I have just read the report 5 minutes ago.
20100328 21:58:30< fendrin> zookeeper: Sure, UtBS is my resort. I just thought you would make a complete list since you mentioned LoW and DM. 
20100328 21:58:48< boucman> ok, do you have the bug number around so I can have a quick look  ?
20100328 21:58:56< fendrin> zookeeper: What I didn't understand is : that is, my general tendency is to try to make as many special events happen within the bounds of the core gameplay rules as possible.
20100328 21:58:59< zookeeper> fendrin, well i'm not familiar enough with the campaigns i excluded
20100328 21:59:11< neoxro> oooh, i see some of you are on that list
20100328 21:59:27< zookeeper> and i didn't include any from UtBS since i think most scenarios have a pretty solid base.
20100328 21:59:38< zookeeper> but sure there's plenty of individual small things to fix in UtBS
20100328 21:59:50< fendrin> boucman: https://gna.org/bugs/?15718
20100328 21:59:55< boucman> thx
20100328 22:00:09< zookeeper> just like in TRoW...there's awfully many tomato surprises in TRoW, but the scenarios basically all seem to be ok
20100328 22:01:18< fendrin> boucman: Crab_ also wrote "try to check if /unit_display.cpp +116 (move_unit) is correct"
20100328 22:01:58< boucman> fendrin: yes, that's probably the faulty area, i'll look around
20100328 22:03:11< fendrin> zookeeper: Yes, the UtBS scenarios are pretty solid based on tomato surprises of hell. 
20100328 22:05:12< boucman> esr: to reproduce, do I just have to load your savegame and end turn ?
20100328 22:06:26< esr> boucman: Cathy believes so, yes.
20100328 22:06:31< timotei> ok guys, I gotta go
20100328 22:06:36< timotei> good night
20100328 22:06:37< boucman> hmm
20100328 22:06:46< boucman> so far i don't see anyy unexpected movement...
20100328 22:06:48< fendrin> Soliton: Do I close it right away or only if the original is closed as well?
20100328 22:06:59< boucman> so we might have different expectation...
20100328 22:07:03< Soliton> right away.
20100328 22:07:28< fendrin> boucman: Or different devices.
20100328 22:07:39< boucman> fendrin: ??
20100328 22:07:49< fendrin> boucman: Could be the case that on your big monitor it just don't needs to scroll.
20100328 22:08:13< boucman> esr: do you know what resolution did your wife use ?
20100328 22:08:15< esr> boucman: I've seen it.  The viewpoint pans bwetween different sections of the map really fast during the AI move.  It's dizzying.
20100328 22:08:34< esr> Asking...
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20100328 22:08:46< esr> 1280x950
20100328 22:08:48< boucman> esr: i believe you, it's just that I can't reproduce as such, so i'm trying to find out what's going on
20100328 22:09:39< Crab_> boucman: maybe some prefs option like 'show ai moves' or animation settings are involved?
20100328 22:10:00< boucman> Crab_: good point, esr: could you check that too ?
20100328 22:10:51< fendrin> I want to have a commandline option to load from a savegame. I refuse to debug anything anymore if that savegame needs to be copied in my stupid folder. There are just thousands of them around. .wesnoth .wesnoth-trunk .wesnoth-editor .wesnoth-hell
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20100328 22:11:48< ilor> fendrin: that sounds highly doable and actually useful :)
20100328 22:12:15< fendrin> ilor: Like every idea of mine? ;-)
20100328 22:12:23< ilor> fendrin: :P
20100328 22:12:55< ilor> fendrin: you could try and hack game.cpp to do that ... shouldn't be hard
20100328 22:13:09< fendrin> zookeeper: Or is there a way I don't know of?
20100328 22:13:12< esr> boucman: She discovered something - disabling scroll tracking of unit actions stops it.
20100328 22:13:20< ilor> it's not like all the other "do soemthing on startup" options are notr hacks
20100328 22:13:30< Crab_> fendrin: it's actually better to rewrite that part of game.cpp fully, to fix some other hacks that are there :)
20100328 22:13:31< zookeeper> fendrin, i have no idea
20100328 22:14:00< boucman> esr: that's not suprising, this option is supposed to diable scrolling to ennemy units whenever an ennemy unit moves
20100328 22:14:24< boucman> however, IIUC you were scrolling to positions where nothing was happening, and that is a bug
20100328 22:14:39< esr> boucman: You think it's the combination of that with show AI moves, perhaps?
20100328 22:14:56< boucman> hmm
20100328 22:15:13< boucman> not sure how those two interact.. did she have both enabled when she had the bug ?
20100328 22:15:55< boucman> I have "skip aI moves" disabled and and scroll-tracking enabled
20100328 22:18:45< fendrin> esr: Can you send cathryn's .wesnoth/preferences in, please?
20100328 22:19:25< Soliton> loonycyborg: "ImportError: No module named collections:"  scons not uptodate or what is missing?
20100328 22:20:03< Soliton> i guess more like python not uptodate.
20100328 22:20:39< fendrin> esr: There is a huge merge into trunk task I would like to ask for your help please.
20100328 22:21:04< loonycyborg> Soliton: Which python version you're using?
20100328 22:21:12< Soliton> loonycyborg: 2.3.4
20100328 22:21:15< esr> boucman, fendrin - we have characterized it.  To get the crazy swooping effect, enable unit scroll tracking and disable skip AI moves.  Any other compination of these options does not produce it.
20100328 22:21:33< esr> fendrin: I was expecting you to ask me that...
20100328 22:21:47< boucman> esr: that's what I was using...
20100328 22:21:54< fendrin> esr: And you already collected fish?
20100328 22:22:01< esr> fendrin: It's the editor merge, isn't it?
20100328 22:22:37< boucman> esr: could we discuss a minute of what you see, to make sure what you see is not the expected behaviour (which might not be desired, but I want to pinpoint what's happening first)
20100328 22:22:40< fendrin> esr: Not only, but yes. ilor, do you help me as well?
20100328 22:22:54< esr> boucman: Sure.
20100328 22:23:00< loonycyborg> Soliton: collections module was introduced in 2.4
20100328 22:23:00< fendrin> boucman: Okay, trying to reproduce it.
20100328 22:23:08< ilor> fendrin: as long as I can find time, sure
20100328 22:23:16< boucman> ok, here is the way scrolling should theoretically work
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20100328 22:23:25< boucman> 1) AI decides what moves to do
20100328 22:23:35< Soliton> loonycyborg: is there a simple workaround?
20100328 22:23:43< boucman> 2) if the "area of the move" is not on screen we scroll to that area
20100328 22:23:47< ilor> fendrin: I'm very happy someone else extends the editor and find the stuff I worte from scratch workable :P
20100328 22:23:52< ilor> *finds
20100328 22:23:57< boucman> so it should only scroll to an area where something is about to happen
20100328 22:24:23< boucman> note that the AI does not group its moves per zone, so we could jump around a lot if the AI decides that...
20100328 22:24:29< fendrin> ilor: I especially like the undo system.
20100328 22:24:38< loonycyborg> Soliton: delete the line 'from collections import defaultdict' from po/SConscript
20100328 22:24:39< boucman> also note that "scroll speed" could minimize the sea sickness effect
20100328 22:25:01< esr> boucman: It looks to me suspiciously like it is scrolling to move area on computation, not just on the actual unit move.
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20100328 22:26:09< Soliton> loonycyborg: it's not actually used?
20100328 22:26:19< boucman> hmm
20100328 22:26:28< loonycyborg> Soliton: Only if you're doing pot-update.
20100328 22:27:00< Soliton> loonycyborg: can that be conditionalized so i don't have to maintain a patch?
20100328 22:27:04< boucman> esr: that's not what I see, that's very suprising.
20100328 22:27:28< boucman> esr:  could you run with a brakepoint in display::scroll_to_tile
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20100328 22:27:35< loonycyborg> Soliton: Move that import in if "pot-update" in COMMAND_LINE_TARGETS: block.
20100328 22:27:43< boucman> and try to break to an "improper" scroll 
20100328 22:28:03< esr> boucman: Cathy says I'm wrong, that she can see units moving at the end of each swoop now that she's slowed the scroll speed down.
20100328 22:28:22< boucman> ok, 
20100328 22:28:23< Soliton> loonycyborg: my point was that it'd be great if you could do that and commit. ;-)
20100328 22:28:29< boucman> hmm
20100328 22:28:39< boucman> well, maybe the default scroll speed is too fast...
20100328 22:28:42< esr> boucman: So what we have here is visual ugliness if you set scroll speed high with that option combination.
20100328 22:28:43< fendrin> esr: I saw it only once. It looked like the ai couldn't decide what to move next
20100328 22:29:10< esr> fendrin: Yes, that is what I thought I was seeing too.
20100328 22:29:16< boucman> true, not sure how to make it better though
20100328 22:29:31< fendrin> boucman: but i know.
20100328 22:29:58< boucman> yes ?
20100328 22:30:42< fendrin> If you use the high movement speed option the engine must use another scroll tactic. It needs a WARP instead. That is a enumeration type that specifies how to scroll.
20100328 22:31:47< Soliton> loonycyborg: http://pastebin.com  another patch that'd be great to get committed if reasonable.
20100328 22:33:16< fendrin> Soliton: Specifying the pastebin home page looks like you request a great patch ;-P
20100328 22:33:44< Soliton> bah, why is there no working pastebin script...
20100328 22:33:52< fendrin> Soliton: I cangive you one ...
20100328 22:35:10< fendrin> esr: Did Cathryn win from that savegame of Human Alliance? It looks desperate.
20100328 22:35:49< esr> She says "No".  She was playing on Hard.
20100328 22:35:52< Ivanovic> ilor: a question about one of the new strings: https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-i18n/2010-03/msg00014.html
20100328 22:35:57< Ivanovic> ilor: maybe you can reply to this mail...
20100328 22:36:27< fendrin> esr: Did she win it later on? It me be very unbalanced since it got a major redesign...
20100328 22:36:36< CIA-64> loonycyborg * r41854 /trunk/po/SConscript: Made collections python module required only for 'pot-update' scons target.
20100328 22:36:55< Ivanovic> #: src/menu_events.cpp:2200
20100328 22:37:01< loonycyborg> Soliton: So where's the other patch? :)
20100328 22:37:11< esr> fendrin: I think it is.  She hasn't won it on Hard yet.  It's pretty brutal.
20100328 22:38:28< fendrin> esr: I would love to have bug reports for unbalanced scenarios as well.
20100328 22:39:21< fendrin> boucman: Do you know what I mean?
20100328 22:39:29< esr> fendrin: I'll tell her.
20100328 22:39:35< Soliton> loonycyborg: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/XXGfkuR2
20100328 22:39:53< boucman> fendrin: i probably do, but id' put that as FR :)
20100328 22:39:55 * Soliton pasted that manually...
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20100328 22:40:44< fendrin> boucman: Please fill one. I can have a look at that. Have already messed with scrolling for the cursor keyboard feature.
20100328 22:40:56< boucman> ok, will do 
20100328 22:41:01< boucman> i'll reuse esr's bug
20100328 22:41:10< fendrin> yes
20100328 22:41:41< loonycyborg> Soliton: It looks like there's something missing.
20100328 22:41:56< boucman> done
20100328 22:42:56< loonycyborg> Soliton: That is part of the patch seems to be lost when pasting.
20100328 22:43:02< Soliton> loonycyborg: http://paste.debian.net/download/66323
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20100328 22:46:13< fendrin> esr: There are three 4 things to merge. The [tunnel] feature, the [unit_input] feature, cursor keyboard control and the new editor. 
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20100328 22:46:43< CIA-64> boucman * r41855 /branches/water_animation/ (14 files in 4 dirs): add special cases for tropical tree in water and great tree in water
20100328 22:47:32< esr> fendrin: Ghod.  I take it they're not merging cleanly?
20100328 22:48:08< fendrin> esr: Take an educated guess.
20100328 22:48:17< esr> :-(
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20100328 22:48:53< fendrin> esr: And they are messing with many different areas of wesnoth's code.
20100328 22:48:55< boucman> fendrin, esr: I want to merge the water animation branch, but i'm not a svn expert, could you walk me through the process ?
20100328 22:49:09< Desciero> so I just downloaded 1.8 from sourceforge
20100328 22:49:11< esr> Ohhhhhhh shiiiiiiiiiit.....
20100328 22:49:13< Desciero> does that mean it's out?
20100328 22:49:23< Soliton> yes.
20100328 22:49:24< boucman> Desciero: not exactly
20100328 22:49:43< boucman> Desciero: we are in the process of doing it, but it hasn't been officially announced
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20100328 22:49:59< Desciero> boucman: gotcha but it is an updated version from rc1 right?
20100328 22:50:00< esr> boucman: Subversion merges are nasty.
20100328 22:50:06< fendrin> Desciero: But don't tell anyone, we don't have the binaries ready for everyone.
20100328 22:50:22< Crab_> fendrin, esr: if you want to, I can try to do that merge (I played a bit with using git for that, and I want to try on something real)
20100328 22:50:32< Desciero> fendrin: heh    yeah looks like most people dont browse in the sourceforge
20100328 22:50:37< boucman> esr: yes, I know... but we have to do it at some point
20100328 22:50:48< fendrin> Crab_: Yes, it's always good to have you joining forces :-)
20100328 22:51:28< Desciero> oh you guys are implementing the new water animation? that's awesome
20100328 22:51:34< fendrin> Crab is fendrin's preferred unit to recall or recruit.
20100328 22:51:35< Desciero> I saw that from the forums
20100328 22:51:38< esr> boucman: Read this: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch04.html
20100328 22:52:26< esr> Crab_: Do it!  I had enough pain doing fendrin's last big merge.  Took me three days!
20100328 22:52:37< Crab_> fendrin: what do you want to merge in,  fendrin_editor branch ?
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20100328 22:54:46< fendrin> Crab_: fendrin_editor and fendrin_pathfind they are clean.
20100328 22:55:23< fendrin> fendrin_gui_stuff needs some repairs.
20100328 22:56:52< CIA-64> soliton * r41856 /branches/1.8/po/SConscript: Made collections python module required only for 'pot-update' scons target.
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20100328 23:01:19< Soliton> Ivanovic: the trunk campaignd is already up btw, i'll start one for 1.9 in a bit as well.
20100328 23:03:07< CIA-64> loonycyborg * r41857 /trunk/scons/scanreplace.py: Made string.Template module optional, it's required only for 'windows-installer' scons target.
20100328 23:03:42< loonycyborg> Soliton: That patch didn't apply automatically for me. I've made the change manually.
20100328 23:04:11< Soliton> loonycyborg: applied to 1.8 for me. thanks.
20100328 23:04:28< loonycyborg> np
20100328 23:05:48< CIA-64> soliton * r41858 /branches/1.8/scons/scanreplace.py: Made string.Template module optional, it's required only for 'windows-installer' scons target.
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20100328 23:07:09< CIA-64> soliton * r41859 /branches/1.6/scons/scanreplace.py: Made string.Template module optional, it's required only for 'windows-installer' scons target.
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20100328 23:09:52< CIA-64> boucman * r41860 /trunk/data/core/ (128 files in 10 dirs): merge all from the water animation branch except for the animated water which is not ready for mainline yet...
20100328 23:10:13< fendrin> boucman: Oh, too bad the water isn't ready.
20100328 23:10:36< boucman> indeed... but the only transition we have are water to grass, and even that is only partial
20100328 23:12:59< fendrin> Is the artist still working on it?
20100328 23:13:04< boucman> :(
20100328 23:13:15< boucman> I havn't heard from hom for a long time
20100328 23:13:50< fendrin> So the animated water will never reach mainline?
20100328 23:14:54< boucman> fendrin: we have a nice base tile, that's already something, i don't know if someone could pickup where rhyging5 left, though
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20100328 23:15:22< fendrin> It would be a nice task for the wesnoth summer of art project.
20100328 23:20:58< Soliton> Ivanovic: campaignd-1.9 running on port 15002.
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20100328 23:53:12< fendrin> Crab_: How is the merge going?
20100328 23:53:54< Crab_> fendrin: will try to work on it tomorrow, not much free time today
20100328 23:54:10< fendrin> okay
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