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20100305 00:57:04< baxnick> hello?
20100305 00:57:22< shadowmaster> are you one of those people who leave if we don't say "hello" immediately? :)
20100305 00:57:59< TaylorSwift> heh
20100305 00:59:05< baxnick> kinda, but only because it's 1am here :)
20100305 00:59:26< baxnick> I've used IRC many a time before but this is my first time trying out the web client
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20100305 02:44:30< oesis> This is the wesnoth irc channel?
20100305 02:44:43< Mythological> yes, the main one
20100305 02:44:58< oesis> was hard to get into here
20100305 02:45:28< shadowmaster> how so?
20100305 02:45:53< oesis> well a year or more ago I tried to get into irc
20100305 02:45:58< oesis> I downloaded client
20100305 02:46:05< oesis> tried to connect didnt work
20100305 02:46:37< Mythological> which client did you have?
20100305 02:46:37< oesis> now I try, I get chatzilla click on usefull irc link
20100305 02:46:54< shadowmaster> some obnoxious firewall maybe?
20100305 02:46:54< oesis> no Idea it was some freeware one that wanted me to buy
20100305 02:47:07< Mythological> was in mIRC?
20100305 02:47:10< shadowmaster> oesis: that is not freeware. that's shareware
20100305 02:47:29< oesis> ah yeah
20100305 02:47:30< Mythological> *was it mIRC?
20100305 02:47:36< Mythological> that exaplains it
20100305 02:47:46< oesis> I really cant say for sure it was a while ago
20100305 02:47:52< Mythological> mirc does not come with freenode network configured
20100305 02:48:00< shadowmaster> as Aethaeryn would say "Eh, I'd try Silverex or something"
20100305 02:48:25< oesis> I clicked web gatewayservice link and it worked
20100305 02:48:44< Mythological> on mIRC the users have to find a freenode server address and add it to the clinet
20100305 02:49:04< shadowmaster> Mythological: no, they haven't. The address they should use is chat.freenode.net or irc.freenode.net.
20100305 02:49:11< shadowmaster> there's no server address to find.
20100305 02:50:25< Mythological> well, that is what I had to do to be able to use mIRC to connect to wesnoth channels
20100305 02:50:35< Mythological> and some of my friends had to do the same
20100305 02:50:52< oesis> I think that shadowmaster was right and my school was blocking it
20100305 02:50:57< Mythological> to manually add a freenode server address to be able to join
20100305 02:51:32< shadowmaster> freenode servers listen on ports 6665, 6666, 6667, 8000, 8001 and 8002 for plain-text connections; ports 7000 and 7070 are available for SSL connections 
20100305 02:51:45< Mythological> which is strange, because all of the other networks are preinstalled
20100305 02:51:46< shadowmaster> I generally had luck at uni with 7070 back when it was used for plain-text connections
20100305 02:52:09< Mythological> you are right about to ports
20100305 02:52:35< Mythological> but who could know them in advance unless it looks for them somewhere on the net
20100305 02:54:32< shadowmaster> we could link http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml from the wiki
20100305 02:54:59< Mythological> good idea
20100305 02:55:33< Mythological> there also was an irc troubleshooting sticky about it somewhere on the forums
20100305 02:56:06< shadowmaster> the one we cleaned up?
20100305 02:57:12< shadowmaster> well, added a link to the servers info in both places
20100305 02:58:10< oesis> I feel like I was kinda inspecific
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20100305 03:00:55< oesis> I meant to say that I installed chatzilla and clicked on the link #wesnoth and it wouldnt connect
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20100305 03:03:07< shadowmaster> oesis: with what error message?
20100305 03:04:27< oesis> no error message it just doesnt connect, this is the text at the bottom 	Connecting to irc://chat.freenode.net/ (irc://chat.freenode.net/)… [Cancel]
20100305 03:06:25< oesis> it also says user not connected to network
20100305 03:06:29< oesis> at the top
20100305 03:07:05< shadowmaster> so it times out
20100305 03:07:52< oesis> is it possible to post a screenshot?
20100305 03:08:18< shadowmaster> imagebin.com
20100305 03:08:26< shadowmaster> er, imagebin.org
20100305 03:09:29< oesis> ah
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20100305 03:12:18< oesis> thats a usefull site
20100305 03:12:19< oesis> posted
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20100305 03:13:32< shadowmaster> if it stays like that for a time then that's a time-out...
20100305 03:14:14< oesis> ah ok
20100305 03:14:18< shadowmaster> it could well be that it is trying to connect to an IRC server that is currently unavailable, though. Firewall issues usually give Connection refused instead.
20100305 03:16:46< oesis> well I got in through the freenode gateway thing so I suppode its not a big deal
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20100305 03:34:23< Hulavuta> Hi
20100305 03:34:45< shadowmaster> hi there
20100305 03:35:44< VurtualRuler98> Every time someone says hi in here, there's probably 15 people staring and watching, wondering if anyone a bit more socially-fit or friendly will reply.
20100305 03:35:50< Hulavuta> lol
20100305 03:36:12< oesis> hello
20100305 03:36:16< oesis> my good man
20100305 03:36:49< silly_shadowm> I'm not very friendly, but I do my best
20100305 03:37:35< oesis> I enjoy playing wesnoth
20100305 03:38:02< oesis> what are your feelings?
20100305 03:38:53< Gambit> hunger
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20100305 03:39:17< shadowmaster> ditto
20100305 03:39:35< Gambit> Writing an RSS eater  and POP3 bot requires maor chips than I have available
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20100305 03:39:51< Hulavuta> Oooohhk
20100305 03:40:18 * Gambit is so excited though. He has a web design gig with a real buisness and they're letting him experiment with such things.
20100305 03:40:20< VurtualRuler98> I should've ordered additional pizzas.
20100305 03:40:29< Hulavuta> Did any of you guys play Wesnoth when it was 1.0?
20100305 03:40:51< shadowmaster> Gambit: wtf, POP3 bot?!
20100305 03:40:59< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: I did.
20100305 03:41:01< Gambit> Yes
20100305 03:41:04< shadowmaster> I also played 0.9.6
20100305 03:41:04< Gambit> it recieves messages
20100305 03:41:12< shadowmaster> *back* when it was 0.9.6
20100305 03:41:23< oesis> I played since .92
20100305 03:41:28< Gambit> and if the email address is in the database and has aggregation priveledges, it sends it to the newsletter subscriber list
20100305 03:41:29< shadowmaster> Gambit: that's ridiculously useless frm my perspective. What's the purpose?
20100305 03:41:33< Hulavuta> Do you remember this really old MP scenario called Saurian Survival?
20100305 03:41:37< shadowmaster> oesis: there's no version .92
20100305 03:41:40< Gambit> A mailing list :P
20100305 03:41:44< Gambit> They wnat email newsletters
20100305 03:41:51< oesis> .9.2?
20100305 03:42:07< shadowmaster> ah, 0.9.2
20100305 03:42:11< Gambit> And the RSS eater is because they want to integrate facebook with their website.
20100305 03:42:15< Hulavuta> (9:41:33 PM) Hulavuta: Do you remember this really old MP scenario called Saurian Survival?
20100305 03:42:22< VurtualRuler98> I don't.
20100305 03:42:31< shadowmaster> I remember a hueg MP map 
20100305 03:42:34< shadowmaster> *huge
20100305 03:42:42< Gambit> shadowmaster: mailing list is rediculously useless :O ;)
20100305 03:42:43< shadowmaster> I can't remember the name, but it was *huge*
20100305 03:42:50< shadowmaster> Gambit: no it isn't.
20100305 03:43:06< shadowmaster> having a bot for that? hmmm
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20100305 03:43:35< VurtualRuler98> Before we know it our lives will revolve around computer-aided enrichment centers.
20100305 03:43:40< Gambit> Yeah. You email it, it emails everyone else. Much simpler than you having to bcc everyone else.
20100305 03:44:02< Hulavuta> Oh, okay....
20100305 03:44:03< Andrensath> So, like, a mailing list?
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20100305 03:44:12< Gambit> Yep.
20100305 03:44:30< Hulavuta> Have you guys ever played the Power Rangers add on?
20100305 03:44:38< VurtualRuler98> I want to now.
20100305 03:44:41< shadowmaster> no, and that shouldn't happen
20100305 03:45:06< VurtualRuler98> No seriously what'
20100305 03:45:12< VurtualRuler98> What's this "power rangers add on"
20100305 03:45:12 * shadowmaster senses misuse of registered trademarks, or possibly copyright violations.
20100305 03:45:20< Gambit> Nah it wasn't.
20100305 03:45:25< Gambit> It was just called power rangers
20100305 03:45:32< Gambit> but the thing  was corrupted
20100305 03:45:37< Gambit> all the images had lines through them.
20100305 03:46:02< Andrensath> That's still on iffy legal grounds if they used images from the show.
20100305 03:46:04< Hulavuta> I'm trying it out on 1.4
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20100305 03:46:18< VurtualRuler98> Though I would be very scared of a company that goes after someone who makes fan stuff related to their thing.
20100305 03:46:34< Hulavuta> LOL IT'S JUST LIKE POWER RANGERS 
20100305 03:46:37< Hulavuta> AH HELP ME
20100305 03:46:42< Hulavuta> I'm BEING ATTACKED BY A BAT
20100305 03:46:43< Hulavuta> rofl
20100305 03:47:16< Hulavuta> Also the unmorphed rangers are pretty weak
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20100305 03:47:34< Gambit> Andrensath: But more importantly a mailing list built from scratch. No other products have to get involved. And it means more work for me, which is good because this web design deal is being done[for free] so it can count for my senior project for highschool graduation.
20100305 03:47:55< Hulavuta> Okay the power Rangers add on is jank
20100305 03:48:00< Andrensath> Oh, okay.
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20100305 03:49:11< Gambit> Also some people on our mailing list are ancient and don't have computers, so the bot will need to email people that have email, and then send a list of everyone else to the person in charge of the newsletters. Everyone on that list gets a physical copy.<< A feature which I don't think would be built into any other mailing list products.
20100305 03:49:27< Hulavuta> What are you talking about?
20100305 03:50:08< shadowmaster> Gambit: I know well what a mailing list is, don't be silly
20100305 03:50:24< shadowmaster> even Wesnoth users MLs for development discussion etc.
20100305 03:50:29< shadowmaster> *uses
20100305 03:50:33< Gambit> I know.
20100305 03:51:17< Gambit> I subscribe to it. Is actually where I got the idea.
20100305 03:51:24< Hulavuta> ...
20100305 03:51:30< Hulavuta> Is anyone else here?
20100305 03:51:40< Gambit> Can anyone truly be anywhere?
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20100305 03:51:55< Hulavuta> ....uh, yes?
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20100305 03:52:14< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: /names #wesnoth
20100305 03:52:23< Hulavuta> uh wut
20100305 03:52:25< shadowmaster> I can see 52 people
20100305 03:52:52< Gambit> Half of them are dead though. You'll only see 26. Shadowm has the sixth sense.
20100305 03:52:53< Hulavuta> Yeah, but like you (Or someone else) said the first time I came, there are a lot of people who are afk or something
20100305 03:53:13< shadowmaster> are they afk, not paying attention or they are just uninterested on the unimportant chatter going on here?
20100305 03:53:19< shadowmaster> yeah, that ;)
20100305 03:54:12< Hulavuta> Wouldn't it be awesome if there was a Wesnoth Ping Pong game? The Drake Flares could play. 
20100305 03:54:12< Gambit> Probably the last one.
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20100305 03:54:39< Hulavuta> "Your ping is no match for my Pong"
20100305 03:54:42 * Gambit punches shikadibot
20100305 03:54:43 * shikadibot knocks-out Gambit
20100305 03:55:13< Hulavuta> Do these people just leave their IRC thing open?
20100305 03:55:44< Gambit> Yes
20100305 03:55:50< Gambit> In case someone says their name.
20100305 03:56:00< VurtualRuler98> no
20100305 03:56:02 * shikadibot slaps Gambit 
20100305 03:56:10< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: some of them, yes
20100305 03:56:12 * Gambit rubs shikadibot's tummy
20100305 03:56:12< shikadibot> *prr*
20100305 03:56:13< shadowmaster> including me
20100305 03:56:14< VurtualRuler98> Mostly because we're all on lots of networks constantly.
20100305 03:56:21-!- mode/#wesnoth [+q *!*@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] by ChanServ
20100305 03:56:21< Gambit> Why did it slap me :'(
20100305 03:56:23< VurtualRuler98> And chances are, something interesting will pop up.
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20100305 03:56:40< Gambit> *she
20100305 03:56:48< Hulavuta> But if they're not looking, how will they see when someone says their name?
20100305 03:56:55< Gambit> Some clients play sounds
20100305 03:56:58< Gambit> some flash
20100305 03:57:00< Gambit> some have popups
20100305 03:57:06< Hulavuta> When someone says a specific word?
20100305 03:57:09< Gambit> What are you using right now to connect to it?
20100305 03:57:10< VurtualRuler98> I was talking about how well-defended my mountain dew was in a window just 3 windows above this one.
20100305 03:57:14< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: their nick, usually.
20100305 03:57:24< VurtualRuler98> Then bam, this happened.
20100305 03:57:26< shadowmaster> I have configured mine to hilight me on several patterns
20100305 03:57:29< Hulavuta> Because if it was every new message, it would be going beep beep beppo beppp o  pep epep pe
20100305 03:57:41< Gambit> I have pidgin setup to just flash orange in the task tray.
20100305 03:57:59< Hulavuta> Mine does that too
20100305 03:58:10< Gambit> But you can wire it to a USB air raid siren.
20100305 03:58:12< Hulavuta> But did you get it to tell if someone is saying something to you or not? 
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20100305 03:58:45< Hulavuta> Plus, I also need some more help with my campaign. :-(
20100305 03:59:01 * Gambit has not worked on his campaign in days :(
20100305 04:00:25< Hulavuta> I'm starting to get discouraged, there are tons of errors every time I finish a scenario or something
20100305 04:01:00< Hulavuta> Anyone still here?
20100305 04:01:17< shadowmaster> we haven't parted.
20100305 04:01:21< Hulavuta> I see.
20100305 04:01:27< Gambit> It happens Hulavuta.
20100305 04:01:32< Gambit> You'll get errors just about every time.
20100305 04:01:32< shadowmaster> and don't ask that too often, it gets annoying
20100305 04:01:36< Hulavuta> Ok,
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20100305 04:01:59< Gambit> Wesboth and shikadibot are always here.
20100305 04:02:05< Hulavuta> wut
20100305 04:02:15< Gambit> wesbot hug Hulabuta
20100305 04:02:15 * wesbot hugs Hulabuta
20100305 04:02:21< Gambit> shikadibot hug Hulavuta
20100305 04:02:30< Gambit> shikadibot: hug Hulavuta
20100305 04:02:38< VurtualRuler98> It's alive.
20100305 04:02:42< Hulavuta> Ohhhh no
20100305 04:02:52< Gambit> She won't listen
20100305 04:02:54< VurtualRuler98> That's why it slapped you. It's trying to keep an act while preforming some secret evil background thing.
20100305 04:02:55< Espreon> Indeed.
20100305 04:02:59< Gambit> Wesbot was faster for once.
20100305 04:02:59< wesbot> Gambit: Sometimes we are fast
20100305 04:03:11< shadowmaster> Gambit: stop it or I'll quiet wesbot too
20100305 04:03:51< Hulavuta> When I take the second scenario out of the scenarios file, everything works, but when I put it in, the whole thing won't load
20100305 04:06:30< Gambit> So the error must be in there no?
20100305 04:06:56< Hulavuta> Yeah, but I can't find it
20100305 04:06:57< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: check your stderr, there probably is something else you are missing
20100305 04:07:14< shadowmaster> what are the actual errors you see, what is the WML, etc.
20100305 04:07:28< Gambit> Cut half of it out and if it still won't load you know the error is in the remaining half
20100305 04:07:31< Gambit> so put the cut half back
20100305 04:07:31< Hulavuta> Oh, wait I think I just found something in my stderr
20100305 04:08:08< Gambit> my stderr has not been updating since I install wesnoth to program files (instead of my documents like I normally do with it) :(
20100305 04:08:34< Gambit> Vista's big brotherism I guess.
20100305 04:08:50< Hulavuta> It says something like "it has no info.cfg"
20100305 04:09:09< Gambit> That can be ignored.
20100305 04:09:11< Gambit> Anything else?
20100305 04:09:22< Hulavuta> That's all it says about my campaign
20100305 04:09:48< Hulavuta> I searched it manually and also used ctrl-f
20100305 04:10:18< Gambit> What about the error that wesnoth throws when you load it?
20100305 04:10:26< Hulavuta> Let me check
20100305 04:10:30< Gambit> Change a string real quick and reload wesnoth so it gives you the message.
20100305 04:10:38< Hulavuta> can I paste a link to the forum here?
20100305 04:10:39< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: the _info.cfg has nothing to do with it ignore that
20100305 04:10:43< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: of course
20100305 04:11:05< Hulavuta> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=29088 This is where I posted the problem on the forum
20100305 04:11:22< shadowmaster> Gambit: I have a sticky in Technical Support regarding how to find stderr.txt in Vista
20100305 04:11:25< shadowmaster> and 7
20100305 04:11:38< Gambit> What is the unknown character?
20100305 04:11:51< Hulavuta> It says ' 
20100305 04:11:53< Hulavuta> Just '
20100305 04:12:16< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: argh.
20100305 04:12:23< shadowmaster> that thing looks like a RTF document, not WML
20100305 04:12:37< Hulavuta> What do you mean>
20100305 04:12:48< shadowmaster> use Wordpad or something and save it as a Plain text document, with name "02_Escape.cfg" (including quoets)
20100305 04:12:51< shadowmaster> *quotes
20100305 04:12:54< Gambit> Ah those darn compatability files.
20100305 04:13:14< Hulavuta> Ok.
20100305 04:13:21< Hulavuta> But the first scenario was saved rtf
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20100305 04:13:25< Gambit> shadowmaster: thanks
20100305 04:13:31< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: and get a real plain text editor
20100305 04:14:01< Gambit> In your guide you might add that they can also browse to the install folder and click "Compatability Files" at the top.
20100305 04:14:05< Gambit> It will be the only file in there.
20100305 04:14:40< shadowmaster> Gambit: could you reply to that thread with detailed info? I'll merge it later
20100305 04:14:46< Gambit> kk
20100305 04:15:16< shadowmaster> for reference, this is what Wesnoth sees when it's handed a RTF file: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/vuq0zaw1
20100305 04:15:27< shadowmaster> obviously not valid WML
20100305 04:15:51< Hulavuta> So I should only save as .txt but .cfg?
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20100305 04:16:27< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: as plain text, but giving "foobar.cfg" (including quotes) as filename
20100305 04:16:39< shadowmaster> but you should really get a real plain text editor, honestly
20100305 04:16:51< Hulavuta> Would notepad work?
20100305 04:16:56< Gambit> Yes
20100305 04:17:00< shadowmaster> no
20100305 04:17:03< Hulavuta> XD
20100305 04:17:08< Hulavuta> What do you recommend?
20100305 04:17:11< shadowmaster> it will have problems handling files authored by Unix users suchas me
20100305 04:17:12< Gambit> notepad
20100305 04:17:22< shadowmaster> Gambit: I said no.
20100305 04:17:28< Hulavuta> (10:17:09 PM) Hulavuta: What do you recommend?
20100305 04:17:30< shadowmaster> Notepad++ is what I used back in the day
20100305 04:17:45< Hulavuta> What does the ++ stand for
20100305 04:17:54< Gambit> extra features
20100305 04:17:58< shadowmaster> it stands for a text editor that has nothing to do with Windows' Notepad
20100305 04:18:01< shadowmaster> except for the name
20100305 04:18:33< Hulavuta> I tried running it again, and it says that there is a missing tag for a message, but I have all tags and stuff, and then it says the first scenario is unknown
20100305 04:18:37< Gambit> It has syntax highlighting for WML :D
20100305 04:18:47< fendrin> Wesnoth comes with a wml mode for emacs. That eases the coding of wml a *lot*.
20100305 04:19:06< Gambit> A missing closing tag that you *know* is there is ussually caused by an unterminated string.
20100305 04:19:20< Gambit> *quoted string
20100305 04:19:28< Hulavuta> a wut
20100305 04:19:29< fendrin> Gambit: notepad has syntax highlighting for wml? 
20100305 04:19:30< Gambit> Whatever the people that know the vocabulary call them.
20100305 04:19:42< Gambit> fendrin: notepad++
20100305 04:19:51< Gambit> "This is a quoted string"
20100305 04:19:55< fendrin> Where can I get that?
20100305 04:20:06< Gambit> "This quoted string is unterminated. It has no ending quote. :o
20100305 04:20:09< Hulavuta> Ok. So unterminated means that I forgot the quotes at the end
20100305 04:20:15< Gambit> Search the forums for the addon.
20100305 04:20:28< Gambit> fendrin: ^^
20100305 04:21:01< Gambit> It's not up to date though. Lacks a few of the newer tags like [swtich].
20100305 04:21:27< Hulavuta> No quotes are forgotten
20100305 04:21:35< fendrin> Ah no. I can't get a notepad version for linux. And running it in an emulator is just not a good idea especialy because emacs is a much better editor. The wml emacs mode does code completion.
20100305 04:22:05< fendrin> So I am sure to spell all tags and attributes right. It also does some checking.
20100305 04:22:09< Gambit> Hulavua: Yes. And sometimes if you leave a quote unterminated, then the begining sign of the next quote is counted as it's ending, and they keep bumping each other like that all the way to the end, screwing up all the code in their path.
20100305 04:22:27< fendrin> But the notepad wesnoth mode should be commited to the codebase.
20100305 04:22:30< Gambit> gah I need to remember tab completion -_-
20100305 04:22:39< Hulavuta> I didn't leave any " out
20100305 04:22:53< Gambit> A macro with not enough arguments?
20100305 04:22:59< Gambit> Or not terminated with a }
20100305 04:23:13< Gambit> Improper nesting?
20100305 04:23:28< shadowmaster> wait.
20100305 04:23:37< Gambit> Does wesnoth care about nesting by the way?
20100305 04:24:02< Hulavuta> I have no idea what anyone is saying 
20100305 04:24:04 * Gambit waits.
20100305 04:24:20< shadowmaster> fendrin: you meant notepad++?
20100305 04:24:38< Gambit> Hulavuta do you use any macros in your code? Make sure they have the right number of arguments and they have their closing } marks.
20100305 04:24:46< Hulavuta> And that means,
20100305 04:24:49< fendrin> shadowmaster: I don't know notepad++
20100305 04:24:52< Gambit> Also you might have a tag out of order which is called "improper nesting".
20100305 04:24:57< shadowmaster> fendrin: then what "notepad wesnoth mode"?
20100305 04:25:06< shadowmaster> Gambit: yes, it does care about nesting and it gets confused if something's unbalanced
20100305 04:25:13< fendrin> shadowmaster: Gambit was talking about it.
20100305 04:25:26< Gambit> fendrin: Notepad++ is what I was talking about.
20100305 04:25:45< Gambit> fendrin: It has an addon for WML syntax highlighting.
20100305 04:25:53< shadowmaster> shadowm_laptop: Notepad++ is what Gambit and fendrin were talking about
20100305 04:25:58< Hulavuta> Is it okay if you take a look at the file and see what's wrong?
20100305 04:26:22< shadowmaster> yes
20100305 04:27:23< Hulavuta> It's on the link I had linked
20100305 04:28:04< fendrin> shadowmaster: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10710
20100305 04:28:05< shadowmaster> yes, but that was a RTF file
20100305 04:28:21< Gambit> "\par"??
20100305 04:28:27< Hulavuta> Oh.....yeah...
20100305 04:28:29< shadowmaster> Gambit: RTF markkup
20100305 04:28:38< Hulavuta> Let me copy it onto a Notepad++
20100305 04:29:35< shadowmaster> but quickly, I want to go to bed
20100305 04:30:12< Hulavuta> Ok
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20100305 04:31:51< Hulavuta> OkAY IT'S UP PLEASE TAKE A LOOK BEFORE SLEEPING
20100305 04:32:09< Gambit> quotes are good
20100305 04:32:39< Hulavuta> Now it only says Unknown Scenario First Strike. 
20100305 04:33:01< Hulavuta> Instead of the error for the main.cfg 
20100305 04:33:38< Gambit> Wait the plaintext copy gives a new error?
20100305 04:34:19< Hulavuta> No, that error was originally there
20100305 04:34:28< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: my eyesight is still good, the caps don't help :)
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20100305 04:34:41< Gambit> Caps lock is cruise control for cool people.
20100305 04:34:47< Hulavuta> When I clicked "ok" several times on the main.cfg error, it would also bring up the Unknown scenario error
20100305 04:34:55< Hulavuta> Now it only has the Unknown Scenario error
20100305 04:35:23< Gambit> Well do you have a scenario with an ID of  "First Strike"
20100305 04:35:47 * Gambit doesn't think ids could have spaces.
20100305 04:36:16< Hulavuta> huh?
20100305 04:36:36< Hulavuta> The id is 01_First_Strike.cfg
20100305 04:36:44< Hulavuta> I gave the id the same name as the actual file
20100305 04:36:45< Gambit> Then that's what you should be referencing
20100305 04:36:50< Gambit> No
20100305 04:36:51< Gambit> no no
20100305 04:36:56< Gambit> The ID isn't hte filename
20100305 04:37:00< Hulavuta> I know
20100305 04:37:06< Gambit> its the ID attribute of the [scenario] tag
20100305 04:37:13< Hulavuta> I KNOW
20100305 04:37:21< Hulavuta> I just named the id of the scenario the same as the file name
20100305 04:37:27< Gambit> So... no dot.
20100305 04:37:33< Hulavuta> ok...
20100305 04:37:37< Gambit> Maybe?
20100305 04:37:46< Gambit> Not 100% sure about anything this time of night.
20100305 04:37:51< Hulavuta> So just 01_First_Strike
20100305 04:38:02< Gambit> Has it worked before with that ID though?
20100305 04:38:12< shadowmaster> I don't see anything wrong with it. hm
20100305 04:39:17< Gambit> IICBEIIM
20100305 04:39:53< Hulavuta> It still says unknown scenario "01_First_Strike"
20100305 04:40:07< shadowmaster> Gambit: and that's supposed to mean...?
20100305 04:40:13< Gambit> And no errors prior to that Hulavuta?
20100305 04:40:22< Gambit> if it cant be explained it is magic
20100305 04:40:34< Hulavuta> There is something about the main file, but when I tried it again, that error went away
20100305 04:40:39< Gambit> goes for drakes flying, thundersticks, and WML errors :P
20100305 04:40:58< Hulavuta> Yep, just "Unknown Scenario "01_First_Strike"
20100305 04:41:10< Gambit> Well the unknown scenario could just be another error that is interupting and causing that. :/
20100305 04:41:12< Hulavuta> Do I need a space or " around the name or something?
20100305 04:41:52< Gambit> shadowmaster: would wmllint pick it up?
20100305 04:42:05< Gambit> Good luck getting that thing running though >>
20100305 04:42:06< Hulavuta> wut
20100305 04:42:46< shadowmaster> Gambit: it's very easy to run
20100305 04:42:52< shadowmaster> and I found some issues, checking
20100305 04:43:16< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: mismatched closing tag at line 240
20100305 04:43:42< Hulavuta> HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
20100305 04:43:44< Hulavuta> I FOUND IT
20100305 04:43:57< Hulavuta> I FORGOT TO PUT A [/FILTER_ SECOND]
20100305 04:44:02< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: line 294, [/messsage] instead of [/message]
20100305 04:44:31< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: the last closing tag is [/scenario] but you didn't close a [event]
20100305 04:44:44< shadowmaster> that should be it
20100305 04:46:00< Hulavuta> It's working...
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20100305 04:46:53< Hulavuta> Okay, but when I finished the first scenario, it said the second scenario is unknown...
20100305 04:47:29< shadowmaster> what is your next_scenario= value in scenario 1?
20100305 04:47:39< Hulavuta> Wait I figured it out
20100305 04:47:45< Hulavuta> The next scenario id was escape
20100305 04:47:56< Hulavuta> but the scenario's id was 02_escape.cfg
20100305 04:47:57< shadowmaster> k, I'll go to bed now then
20100305 04:47:59< Hulavuta> lemme try again
20100305 04:48:04< Hulavuta> THANKS SO MUCH DUDE
20100305 04:48:09< Hulavuta> How did you spot the errors again?
20100305 04:48:28< shadowmaster> using wmllint
20100305 04:48:41< shadowmaster> first time it's ever been useful for me.
20100305 04:48:57< Hulavuta> I heard you need python to run it?
20100305 04:49:37< shadowmaster> yes, but being on a Linux system, it's pretty much a requirement to have it installed for other programs
20100305 04:49:59< Hulavuta> k
20100305 04:50:31< Hulavuta> Well, thanks again, and good night
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20100305 09:13:28< VurtualRuler98> I think I found proof that wesnoth is missing some form of strategy. Lots of free/open source strategy-based games I know have 3D, sometimes looking pretty good.
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20100305 09:14:49< VurtualRuler98> 3D-ness seems to be directly tied to how logic-based the strategy is, and sometimes how fast-paced it is. Graphical quality hinges on wether it's just you driving around, or a large-scale RTS with economic balancing.
20100305 09:14:53< VurtualRuler98> Wesnoth looks nice, but it's 2D.
20100305 09:14:58< VurtualRuler98> Therefore, it is illogical.
20100305 09:15:56< Smar> what, 2D isn’t illogical at all!
20100305 09:16:15< VurtualRuler98> All the strategy-tied games I know that are 3D rely on logic in some way.
20100305 09:16:52< VurtualRuler98> While wesnoth is 2D. It's also partially tied to chance, so unless you have a good advantage, you're risking alot.
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20100305 10:03:55< Ivanovic> moin
20100305 10:07:38< Sacho> VurtualRuler98: that's horrible logic.
20100305 10:08:03< Sacho> causality != correlation!
20100305 10:14:00< krotop> 3D strategy games are logical, wesnoth is a 2D strategy game, therefore wesnoth is not logical. evil
20100305 10:15:29< Rhonda> What kind of weird logic is that?
20100305 10:18:31< zookeeper> i assumed he was trolling to convey some unrelated point which i didn't get.
20100305 10:19:37< Sacho> Probably lost due to thinking 4*5 dmg at 50% accuracy means 10 damage
20100305 10:23:11< Rhonda> 3D things also are tied to chance, so unless you have a good advantage, you're risking alot. There's no difference in this statement between 2D and 3D, but whatever.
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20100305 19:49:32< Unnheulu_> I know its outdated...
20100305 19:49:45< Unnheulu_> but in wesnoth 1.4.5, there are only 3 campaigns?
20100305 19:50:01< Sacho> should be more
20100305 19:50:09< Unnheulu_> hmm
20100305 19:50:11< Unnheulu_> oh i know
20100305 19:50:21< Unnheulu_> i probably didn't get them from the distro repo
20100305 19:51:02< Sacho> actually how many new campaigns have there been since 1.4?
20100305 19:51:02< Sacho> 2-3?
20100305 19:51:19< Sacho> not counting overhauls of then-existing ones
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20100305 23:24:49< Hulavuta> HELLO CUSTOMERS
20100305 23:26:04< Canageek> .....spam?
20100305 23:26:10< Canageek> There is spam on IRC?
20100305 23:26:25< Hulavuta> What?
20100305 23:26:36< Hulavuta> I'm not spamming, that's just my greeting...
20100305 23:26:50< Hulavuta> sorry
20100305 23:27:24< Canageek> oh ok
20100305 23:27:25< Blarumyrran> I've never actually seen spam, but I've heard it tastes terribly.
20100305 23:27:26< Canageek> Sorry
20100305 23:27:35< Canageek> I've seen it  in stores, never tired it
20100305 23:27:36< VurtualRuler98> I remember when someone wanted me to eat some fried spam.
20100305 23:27:52< Canageek> at one point it was considered the food of the elite as it was more expensive then regular meat
20100305 23:27:54< Hulavuta> Spam tastes terrific, however, internet spam is annoying
20100305 23:28:31< VurtualRuler98> But then I realised that portal 2 was announced with coop and the fried spam incident was ages ago.
20100305 23:29:05< Hulavuta> I'm really excited, my campaign is about to go on the servers
20100305 23:30:05< Hulavuta> I have a question about the pbl file though
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20100305 23:59:58< Hulavuta> MY CAMPAIGN IS ONLINE!!! YAAAAAAY
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