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20100310 00:34:42< Gambit> Something tells me the sun is not going to come up today.
20100310 00:35:21< shadowmaster> it's night here.
20100310 00:35:27< Gambit> :P
20100310 00:35:50< shadowmaster> hence I don't mention anything about the sun or the stars on IRC.
20100310 00:36:34< Gambit> Not even as metaphors for video games you were expecting to arrive in the mail?
20100310 00:37:27< Blarumyrran> That's an inane metaphor if I ever saw one
20100310 00:40:23< shadowmaster> right, you are obsessed over FF XIII or whatever
20100310 00:40:30< shadowmaster> I'd forgotten that
20100310 00:41:35< Gambit> Now I'm in the awkward position of changing my signature to -1 days.
20100310 00:44:19< Gambit> Hey shadowmaster, the whole "Don't bug the bots too much" thing. Is it a spam, or a server resources issue?
20100310 00:44:33< shadowmaster> spam.
20100310 00:45:11< shadowmaster> I mean, what the hell kind of person doesn't realize it can get spammy?
20100310 00:46:32< Gambit> Well half of shikadibot's commands are toys. :P
20100310 00:46:40< shadowmaster> you are a toy
20100310 00:47:15< shadowmaster> the commands that we use the most are completely useless to random users like you
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20100310 00:48:07< Gambit> Honestly I've only ever seen wesbot used for serious things.
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20100310 00:49:57< shadowmaster> because you don't pay enough attention
20100310 00:50:36< shadowmaster> also, wesbot is a completely different case here; it logs this channel
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20100310 00:51:16< shadowmaster> and just like wesbot is mostly used in #wesnoth-dev, shikadibot is mostly used in #wesnoth-umc-dev and #wesnoth-umc-dev-admins
20100310 00:51:47< Gambit> Ah that explains it.
20100310 00:53:03< shadowmaster> it's still nice for automated channel management everywhere since I can just hook whatever script I need into it to work with #wesnoth, etc.
20100310 00:53:40< Blarumyrran> "You attempted to join a restricted, closed or unusually busy channel in the Wesnoth namespace. Please leave this channel and try again." Ooh, I happened upon a conspirative cabal
20100310 00:56:12< Gambit> fendrin: Should we report bugs with your editor alpha at bugs.wesnoth.org or in your forum thread?
20100310 00:56:29< fendrin> Gambit: Yes please.
20100310 00:56:37< fendrin> Feel free to speak your mind.
20100310 00:56:45< Gambit> It wasn't a yes or no question :4
20100310 00:57:05< fendrin> forum
20100310 00:57:32< Gambit> Okay. It's almost done downloading.
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20100310 01:11:56< ancestral> There this: http://units.wesnoth.org/trunk/C/Dwarvish%20Fighter.html
20100310 01:12:09< ancestral> And then there's this I'm working on: http://mproud.com/wesnoth/bestiary/dwarvish_fighter.html
20100310 01:13:24< shadowmaster> it'd not be very difficult to work with mainline in improving the units.w.o user interface
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20100310 01:14:33< ancestral> I want to generate a php template and then parse through the units to auto-generate the pages
20100310 01:14:43< shadowmaster> although your site doesn't seem to be low-bandwidth friendly for some reason
20100310 01:14:45< ancestral> I might look at the script that in tools but
20100310 01:14:57< ancestral> It's all experimental atm
20100310 01:17:19< shadowmaster> ah, I see why
20100310 01:17:29< shadowmaster> the CSS downloadable font techinque
20100310 01:17:52< shadowmaster> those fonts somehow sucked up all my bandwidth
20100310 01:18:42< ancestral> Ah, hmm
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20100310 03:10:35< Blarumyrran> ancestral, you have "tye" instead of type
20100310 03:10:44< ancestral> Ha thanks
20100310 03:11:19< ancestral> Fixed
20100310 03:11:32< ancestral> (I'm working on a local copy that's a bit farther…)
20100310 03:12:10< Blarumyrran> And looking at the damage type names reminds me
20100310 03:12:23< ancestral> I experimented a bit…
20100310 03:12:43< Blarumyrran> those damage type images megane made - are they going to get into 1.10 or something?
20100310 03:12:57< ancestral> Someone made images?
20100310 03:13:03< ancestral> I know things were talked about
20100310 03:13:11< ancestral> on the forums but it got nowhere
20100310 03:13:33< Blarumyrran> yeah, really small black-and-white images - not just for damage types, but for each ability & weapon special I think - and they were well done
20100310 03:14:23< ancestral> Hmm
20100310 03:14:53< ancestral> For this, I figured the chevrons might help make sense out of the numbers
20100310 03:17:25< Blarumyrran> I can't find that thread
20100310 03:19:09< ancestral> I'll see if I can dig it up in a minute or two
20100310 03:19:20< ancestral> I talked about the differences between hyphens and dashes! :)
20100310 03:19:39< ancestral> And then it was split off
20100310 03:19:44< Blarumyrran> Oh http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=21873&p=305114&hilit=teleport+ambush#p305114
20100310 03:19:48< Blarumyrran> melon, not megane
20100310 03:20:24< ancestral> Ah that is cool
20100310 03:20:30< ancestral> Using the smaller icons might be nice
20100310 03:20:51< ancestral> If I were to make a mobile version of my web page, which I think would be sweet
20100310 03:26:03< ancestral> Blarumyrran: I'm having a hard time finding the thread myself huh
20100310 03:26:16< Blarumyrran> What thread?
20100310 03:27:23< ancestral> Where people talked about damage and attacks
20100310 03:27:45< ancestral> How 7-3 seemed so or… arbitrarily written
20100310 03:28:43< Blarumyrran> better than <<
20100310 03:29:16< ancestral> I don't think anyone suggested chevrons before :-D
20100310 03:29:25< ancestral> But I wanted to see how it'd look here
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20100310 03:43:50< ancestral> Blaurymyrran: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=24914
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20100310 03:48:33< Blarumyrran> Anything else than - or x is silly
20100310 03:49:31< ancestral> Well see
20100310 03:49:33< ancestral> To be honest
20100310 03:49:46< ancestral> I think # of attacks makes more sense first
20100310 03:49:47< ancestral> But
20100310 03:50:01< ancestral> It's ingrained into the game now
20100310 03:50:34< Blarumyrran> By x i mean the x-like multiplication, not the letter
20100310 03:50:50< Blarumyrran> I don't think attacks before makes sense
20100310 03:51:07< ancestral> Right
20100310 03:51:08< Blarumyrran> The enemy has 8 hp, I have 10-2 attack. I CAN KILL HIM IN ONE TURN
20100310 03:51:15< ancestral> Hmm
20100310 03:51:26< Blarumyrran> Thenit's better iif 10 is first
20100310 03:51:42< ancestral> Each attack as the ability to do up to X damage
20100310 03:52:05< ancestral> attack → damage
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20100310 04:30:01< krawuzi> Does anyone know where the proceeds from the iphone application go to, please? It doesn't state that in the itunes applications description. 
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20100310 04:31:23< shadowmaster> a percentage that I cannot recall at this moment goes back to the Battle for Wesnoth Project
20100310 04:32:59< krawuzi> is there a description somewhere? It's hard to find a posting that describes it and there's no entry in the faq.
20100310 04:33:04< ancestral> Well, technically…
20100310 04:33:12< ancestral> Someone's bank account, if I'm correct…
20100310 04:33:19< ancestral> Technically speaking…
20100310 04:33:20< krawuzi> I'm considering buying it. but on the other hand...
20100310 04:33:26< shadowmaster> it was in one of the iPhone threads
20100310 04:33:35< shadowmaster> let me try to figure out which one
20100310 04:33:39< krawuzi> shadowmaster: yes, I looked through most of them
20100310 04:33:43< krawuzi> shadowmaster: didn't find it
20100310 04:33:51< ancestral> Some of it goes to Kyle Poole but the stuff that goes to Wesnoth goes to one of the devs
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20100310 04:34:30< shadowmaster> it goes to Wesnoth, period
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20100310 04:35:11< ancestral> But surely someone is stewarding the money?
20100310 04:35:18< ancestral> Wesnoth isn't even an organization
20100310 04:35:21< shadowmaster> it is.
20100310 04:35:30< krawuzi> shadowmaster: on the website it doesn't say so
20100310 04:35:51< ancestral> I seem to recall there was vested interest in doing so but I never heard about it actually forming
20100310 04:35:52< shadowmaster> it doesn't need to
20100310 04:36:00< ancestral> Hmmm
20100310 04:36:33< krawuzi> shadowmaster: on the website it says all donations go to someone and used at his private digression
20100310 04:37:04< shadowmaster> possibly outdated information, I'll contact the secretary tomorrow if I can
20100310 04:37:04< krawuzi> shadowmaster: that makes sense for it being a GPL project and it being a donation
20100310 04:38:49< krawuzi> also I wonder whether the iphone source code is available too
20100310 04:38:58< krawuzi> let me check on the project site
20100310 04:40:12< shadowmaster> it is, last time I checked
20100310 04:40:40< krawuzi> shadowmaster: in the trunk?
20100310 04:41:32< shadowmaster> no. http://wesnoth.repositoryhosting.com/trac/wesnoth_wesnoth/browser
20100310 04:42:03< krawuzi> ah. thanks for the pointer!
20100310 04:43:40< krawuzi> great. feeling much better now. will buy it.
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20100310 10:59:05< Ivanovic> moin
20100310 11:02:55< VurtualRuler98> Hey. Wait, it's 4am. I should've been asleep by now.
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20100310 12:24:35< SekoIdiootti> Hmm, I have a question, which is stupid... But anyway, I'll ask it: I've made photoshop brushes. And well, I use them for stuff that is commercial (I mean, I've used the brushes in things I've made for bands)... So can I use the same brushes for GPL:ed stuff, like Wesnoth portraits?
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20100310 12:24:56< SekoIdiootti> I mean, logically I could, because I made the brushes... but...
20100310 12:25:42< shadowmaster> I have trouble believing that you actually do commercial work
20100310 12:25:57< SekoIdiootti> ...didn't you read what I said? lol
20100310 12:26:12< SekoIdiootti> I've used the brushes for bands' album covers.
20100310 12:26:19< SekoIdiootti> and the bands use the covers commercially
20100310 12:26:21< SekoIdiootti> so... lol...
20100310 12:26:26< shadowmaster> no lol.
20100310 12:26:31< SekoIdiootti> ?
20100310 12:27:25< SekoIdiootti> I can't?
20100310 12:27:37< SekoIdiootti> if so, that's just horrible. LOL.
20100310 12:27:57< Sacho> largely depends on photoshop's license
20100310 12:28:01< shadowmaster> you are free to reuse them or relicense them as required if you are the copyright owner
20100310 12:28:18< SekoIdiootti> Sacho: huh?
20100310 12:28:28< SekoIdiootti> shadowmaster: ok, phew
20100310 12:28:31< Sacho> ^ if you are the copyright owner
20100310 12:28:32< zookeeper> yawn
20100310 12:28:40< SekoIdiootti> Sacho: yeah
20100310 12:28:47< SekoIdiootti> lol.
20100310 12:28:56< Sacho> but if photoshop states that it holds copyright over brushes you create with it.
20100310 12:29:10< SekoIdiootti> ..well... how could that be...?
20100310 12:29:17< shadowmaster> Sacho: in such case nobody should use photoshop in the first place
20100310 12:29:29< shadowmaster> so I don't think that could be the case
20100310 12:29:36< Sacho> I'm only speaking theoretically, since I have no idea what its license is
20100310 12:30:22< SekoIdiootti> well. It's not possible, since there's many people who do brushes.. And then put them to be downloadable, and license them whatever they want, so... it's not possible to be like that. :)
20100310 12:30:26< SekoIdiootti> ...but xD
20100310 12:30:34< zookeeper> let me guess: the "commercial use" is some pals of yours selling their home-burnt cd's for a couple of euros?
20100310 12:30:42< Sacho> apparently
20100310 12:30:45< SekoIdiootti> no
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20100310 12:31:33< SekoIdiootti> zookeeper: http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewAlbums&friendID=498674536 <-stuff I've done.
20100310 12:31:45< SekoIdiootti> and those are used by bands that I don't even know
20100310 12:31:52< SekoIdiootti> lol, I mean, not all, but.. some
20100310 12:33:49< Sacho> neat
20100310 12:34:05< SekoIdiootti> :)
20100310 12:34:20< SekoIdiootti> ...I don't know why ":)" looks so funny. xD
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20100310 12:35:51< shadowmaster> *yawn* indeed
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20100310 13:32:03< zookeeper> hmh. chewing on a clove made my tongue somewhat numb. i wonder if that's supposed to happen.
20100310 13:34:17< fendrin> zookeeper: Is the clove made in china?
20100310 13:35:43< zookeeper> no idea, but i doubt it
20100310 13:36:13< zookeeper> "Cloves are now harvested primarily in Indonesia"
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20100310 17:58:59< SekoIdiootti> I just noticed, I've never seen Jetrel here. :o
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20100310 18:31:06< zenhoobbit> hai is main server down?????????????
20100310 18:34:04< zenhoobbit> hai Soliton
20100310 18:35:33< zenhoobbit> hai Ivanovic
20100310 18:37:45< zenhoobbit> hai zookeeper
20100310 18:41:54< zenhoobbit> hai lukjad86
20100310 18:42:43< zenhoobbit> hai G-Lo
20100310 18:45:28< zenhoobbit> hai happygrue
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20100310 18:49:47< Unnheulu> why was python ai removed?
20100310 18:51:45< allefant> no sandboxing
20100310 18:52:04< zenhoobbit> ok server is turned back
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20100310 22:25:19< Gambit> :'(
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20100310 22:45:59< Unnheulu> Gambit: still not arrived?
20100310 22:46:00< Unnheulu> :P
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20100310 22:46:08< Gambit> maybe >_>
20100310 22:46:23< Gambit> And this annoyance is compounded by the worst sore throat I've ever had.
20100310 22:46:24< Unnheulu> bye :P
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20100310 22:46:45 * shadowmaster pours salt over Gambit's wounds
20100310 22:47:08< Gambit> heh
20100310 22:47:37< Gambit> That'd actually help the sore throat.
20100310 22:49:11< shadowmaster> s/salt/sulfuric acid/
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20100310 22:58:55< Gambit> Which kind of cold do you guys prefer? "pukey, sneezy, bed-ridden" cold or "up and about, but it feels like someone took a cheese grater to my inards" cold?
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20100310 22:59:19< shadowmaster> neither
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