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20100311 00:24:47< law_> hmm
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20100311 00:40:56< Cann0n> i like wesnoth
20100311 00:41:06< Aethaeryn> What a coincidence.
20100311 00:41:12< Aethaeryn> i like wesnoth
20100311 00:41:35< Cann0n> i cheat sometimes on single player
20100311 00:42:25< Cann0n> i just boost exp so my main gets to lvl 3 faster
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20100311 00:44:47< shadowmaster> I do that too!
20100311 00:45:51< shadowmaster> I also set my favorite units' HP to 1000 (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VideoGameCaringPotential) if they go below 20$
20100311 00:45:55< shadowmaster> er, 25%
20100311 00:47:52< Gambit> I debug yetis
20100311 00:48:04< Gambit> in multiplayer! dun dun dun
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20100311 00:50:03< shadowmaster> shame on you.
20100311 00:51:02< TaylorSwift> ?
20100311 00:51:33< shadowmaster> TaylorSwift: ah, that was for Gambit :P
20100311 00:51:44< TaylorSwift> Oh, that's alright then :p
20100311 00:51:52< TaylorSwift> Was expecting some sort of Kanye West meme
20100311 00:52:37< Gambit> Imma let you finish
20100311 00:52:40< Gambit> :#
20100311 00:54:34 * TaylorSwift facepalms
20100311 00:54:48< TaylorSwift> I might go eat lunch before anything else happens :p
20100311 00:56:14< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Yetis are an acceptable part of Hodor
20100311 00:58:42< Gambit> Alright show of hands. Who thinks that "not balanced against mainline" directly translates to "Trash. Don't download any UMC."? Because I got this really wtf PM accusing me of being a UMC Era hater.
20100311 00:59:21< Gambit> I love UMC. And 99.999999% of it isn't balanced against mainline, *and it doesn't have to be*
20100311 01:00:44< Aethaeryn> Thunderstone is not balanced against mainline and never will be.
20100311 01:00:55< Aethaeryn> So I obviously disagree.
20100311 01:01:45< shadowmaster> Gambit: I raise my hand
20100311 01:02:00< shadowmaster> but I just want to ask what the chocolate you just said, I didn't understnd
20100311 01:02:41< Gambit> I said that Kalfia was the only UMC faction that was balanced against mainline
20100311 01:02:57< Gambit> And someone took this to mean that I was saying "All UMC (except Kalfia) is trash"
20100311 01:03:09< Gambit> And even after I explained myself and even apologized for not being clearer
20100311 01:03:14< Gambit> They're still mad at me :s
20100311 01:03:54< noy> Gambit: want me to go and say that publically so you get less hate mail?
20100311 01:04:02< Gambit> No :P
20100311 01:04:34< shadowmaster> I HATE WESNOTH
20100311 01:04:50< Aethaeryn> Gambit: I would rather have more high-quality UMC that's *not* designed to be with mainline rather than more high-quality UMC balanced with mainline.
20100311 01:05:39< Aethaeryn> I would prefer a really ultra-high-quality era or other fancy UMC that's incompatible with Default but is mainline-able, thus doubling the fun of Wesnoth, than just something else compatible with Default. It'd be easier too since the more factions you have, the more exponentially the work is
20100311 01:05:53< Aethaeryn> or something along the lines.
20100311 01:06:01< noy> sure.... era of myths was one attempt at that
20100311 01:06:21< Aethaeryn> Might not be exponentially, but it increases greatly the more factions you get because you have to work out each individual matchup
20100311 01:06:44< Aethaeryn> EoM fails in two ways: it actually has *more* factions than mainline, making it harder to balance than mainline... except they only have one person balancing instead of a team...
20100311 01:06:44< noy> well when jw first started I told him to take four factions
20100311 01:06:53< noy> he didn't follow that advice
20100311 01:07:05< Aethaeryn> So more factions than mainline = more balancing work, and more art work. Both cause it to fail.
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20100311 01:07:30< Aethaeryn> noy: I agree 100%.
20100311 01:07:44< Aethaeryn> Anything trying to be mainline-level of balance would have to be < 6 in factions.
20100311 01:07:50< Aethaeryn> By necessity.
20100311 01:08:22< Aethaeryn> Even if you were a balance-expert and could balance 10 perfectly, the factions might get unoriginal/not-interesting, or you might not be able to get art for all of it.
20100311 01:08:27< Aethaeryn> The more factions, the more risk you take.
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20100311 01:21:19< Gambit> I just took the lazy route: throw a giant toolbox at the players filled with so many things that they can figure out balance on their own. :P
20100311 01:22:05< Aethaeryn> Whenever I finally do finish my era, I'm taking the fun approach.
20100311 01:22:17< Aethaeryn> Playing it over and over and over and over and over and over, making one or two slight tweaks every now and then.
20100311 01:22:38< Aethaeryn> that's how I make some of my favorite maps I made, so it's not too different for unit stats
20100311 01:23:04< Aethaeryn> The original Fortress Assault looked like crap and played poorly too, but that was basically all I did for 3 months, and now it's probably my most complete map.
20100311 01:24:10< Aethaeryn> It might take a year to take Thunderstone from 0.1 (first true release) to 1.0 (first "complete" release), based solely on lots and lots of playtests.
20100311 01:27:07< Gambit> I really liked the one with the gold mines.
20100311 01:27:23< Gambit> And the one where you could switch the terrain in certain spots.
20100311 01:27:42< Aethaeryn> Oh, the one loosely based on fortress assault but where half of it is cave?
20100311 01:27:45< Aethaeryn> the bottom half?
20100311 01:28:09< Gambit> No the top half was cave. There were two normal players on the bottom
20100311 01:28:14< Gambit> Maybe that was "fortress assault"
20100311 01:28:21 * Gambit isn't good with names
20100311 01:28:25< Aethaeryn> Fortress Assault is 3v1
20100311 01:28:29< Aethaeryn> does have a gold mine though
20100311 01:29:00< Aethaeryn> but my new map, I'd like to finish it but there's never enough people on the 1.7 server... maybe when enough switch to 1.8 I can test it out.
20100311 01:29:10< Gambit> In fact I'm so bad with them that I just made the connection between you ant "Aethaeryn's map pack" a few minutes ago :s
20100311 01:29:18< Gambit> 1.8 will be soon
20100311 01:29:26< Gambit> Does it have 1.6 only features?
20100311 01:29:32< Gambit> *1.7 only
20100311 01:29:38< Gambit> Or you just don't feel like back porting?
20100311 01:29:47< Aethaeryn> It uses a few 1.7 only features.
20100311 01:29:59< Aethaeryn> Maybe one terrain, a few syntax in WML, and the Dwarvish Scout unit.
20100311 01:30:26< Aethaeryn> Backporting would be possible, but it'd kill some of my creativity/design, and it'd be annoying.
20100311 01:30:38< Aethaeryn> I probably would've done it if I had known that 1.8 would have more than 7 betas
20100311 01:31:06< Gambit> Hopefully many more to come. There's quite a few bugs left.
20100311 01:31:20< Aethaeryn> Yeah, the lobby was a mess last time I used it, around beta 3 or so
20100311 01:31:24< Gambit> *probably
20100311 01:31:27< Aethaeryn> And I briefly checked in on it and it was still a mess.
20100311 01:31:38< Aethaeryn> Perhaps they should've just added a dependency for the lobby to make it go along faster
20100311 01:31:46< Aethaeryn> like make it a front-end for an IRC-based network
20100311 01:32:00< Aethaeryn> all the new lobby chat features seem like they're duplicating IRC anyway
20100311 01:32:57 * Gambit desperately wants ~SCALE() to work in 1.8.0
20100311 01:34:06< Gambit> The new lobby is awesome
20100311 01:35:54< Gambit> I had this awesome idea for a space exploration addon where it randomly generates everything
20100311 01:36:18< Gambit> and the planets can be different sizes (which needs ~SCALE for space view) and the size of the image is the size of the map whe nyou beam down to the planet
20100311 01:36:45< Gambit> anywhere from 10,10 to 72,72
20100311 01:38:41< Gambit> omg someone make this guy change his avatar
20100311 01:38:42< Gambit> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=120799
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20100311 01:41:25< Gambit> People are ruining the internet :'(
20100311 01:41:53< Aethaeryn> Yes, the internet would be much better without people
20100311 01:42:19< Gambit> :p
20100311 01:43:19< Aethaeryn> Don't blame me for that comment, blame my logic class :P
20100311 01:43:27< Aethaeryn> Wordplay is so much easier now :P
20100311 01:50:33< Gambit> It'd be funny if shikadibot reacted to the word "keen".
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20100311 02:22:19< Gambit> I wonder if enough of us spammed his inbox, Yahtzee would review Battle For Wesnoth.
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20100311 02:32:35< shadowmaster> Gambit: it'd be funny, but somehow I think you never even played those games
20100311 02:32:51< Gambit> I played the GBC one :$
20100311 02:35:18< shadowmaster> you missed the real games then
20100311 02:35:40 * Gambit saw that coming
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20100311 02:42:19< Mythological> what about Yahtzee?
20100311 02:43:03< Gambit|sick> Well it'd be cool to have a Zero Punctuation review of Wesnoth
20100311 02:43:28< Gambit|sick> He'd totally trash it because he hates strategy games, but it'd be out there.
20100311 02:44:54< Aethaeryn> ...
20100311 02:44:59< Aethaeryn> I pretty much only like strategy games.
20100311 02:45:11< Aethaeryn> The other games have way too short a life.
20100311 02:45:25< Aethaeryn> If you have a good strategy game, you could play it for years and years without too much repetition
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20100311 03:23:38< shadowmaster> Gambit|sick: increasing font size in middle of your posts won't prove a point
20100311 03:24:16< Gambit|sick> fixed
20100311 03:38:40< Aethaeryn> I agree but perhaps RANDOM CAPSLOCK INSTEAD will prove the point? ;)
20100311 03:39:00< shadowmaster> nah, bold works
20100311 03:39:15< shadowmaster> or plain faux-formatting *like* _this_
20100311 03:39:22< Aethaeryn> Yeah, but bold is just emphasis. CAPSLOCK IS SHOUTING. ;)
20100311 03:40:40< Gambit|sick> caps lock is cruise control for cool people
20100311 03:42:17< Aethaeryn> Exactly. When people see capslock they think "WHO IS THAT COOL PERSON?" ...and they think that sentence in caps.
20100311 03:42:54< shadowmaster> for some definitions of "people"
20100311 03:44:08< Gambit|sick> Those who've memorized any portion of "The Rules of the Internet"
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20100311 03:44:32< Gambit|sick> *and* consider that an accomplishment
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20100311 03:45:01< Gambit|sick> Oh and 4chan members
20100311 03:45:22< Aethaeryn> There are written rules of the Internet?
20100311 03:45:30< Aethaeryn> I just pick things up from growing up on IRC.
20100311 03:45:49 * Gambit|sick honestly wanted to see 4chan vs wesnoth moderation team. But sadly it never panned out.
20100311 03:46:19< Gambit|sick> 47 of them
20100311 03:46:30< Gambit|sick> Written on this horrid horrid website
20100311 03:46:44< Gambit|sick> with pop ups, viruses, and a community just as bad a 4chan
20100311 03:46:58< Gambit|sick> I'll have to use a paste bin because I just don't feel okay sending the link out
20100311 03:47:47< shadowmaster> Gambit|sick: you want me to spend countless days and sleepless nights fighting Anonymous?!
20100311 03:47:59< shadowmaster> that'd be terrible.
20100311 03:48:39< shadowmaster> I'd have to name several "Shadowmaster Minions" with global moderator powers to help
20100311 03:49:08 * Gambit|sick raises hand hopefully
20100311 03:49:11< shadowmaster> and then it'd be me against my minions. Not nice.
20100311 03:50:06< Gambit|sick> Today's xkcd was awful.
20100311 03:50:18< Gambit|sick> They're getting worse as time goes on.
20100311 03:50:31< shadowmaster> I liked it actually
20100311 03:51:01< shadowmaster> and this one became my eternal favorite some weeks ago: http://xkcd.com/673/
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20100311 03:51:13< shadowmaster> (for some values of "eternal")
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20100311 03:52:56< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: I'd be bored enough to temporarily volunteer mechanically help you stomp obvious bad guys with malicious intents... it's the subjective moderation I fail at. :P
20100311 03:53:14< Gambit|sick> The downward trend started around 680 imo
20100311 03:53:21< shadowmaster> I'd choose from my secret squad, don't worry
20100311 03:55:07< Gambit|sick> "A secret syndicate of the best Wesnoth players around, so secret, in fact, I  won't tell you who they are"
20100311 03:56:52< Gambit|sick> Hey shadowmaster. How does the forums &hilit agument work? Do you split everything at a space and then check each and every word, or is there some sort of built in function in php to avoid that mountain of work?
20100311 03:57:37< shadowmaster> I'm not feeling like checking how phpBB uses that atm
20100311 04:00:25< Gambit|sick> Also did you notice SSSage's avatar?
20100311 04:00:40 * Gambit|sick nags shadowmaster
20100311 04:00:49< Aethaeryn> Do you like php?
20100311 04:01:02< Gambit|sick> Can't stand the language, but I'm trying to learn it.
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20100311 04:01:37< Gambit|sick> Since it's more the standard than the super awesomeness that is Coldfusion /product placement
20100311 04:02:14< shadowmaster> Gambit|sick: what avatar?
20100311 04:02:14< Aethaeryn> Well, php/Perl/Python appear to be the three Ps of web-based scripting languages :P
20100311 04:03:05< Aethaeryn> Gambit|sick: "License: Proprietary" according to Wikipedia. That might be why it has failed to gain popularity.
20100311 04:03:21< Gambit|sick> It has open source server software...
20100311 04:04:04< Aethaeryn> Adobe might also be a problem.
20100311 04:04:32< Aethaeryn> I, for one, associate Adobe with the CPU-heating, fan-intensive crapware that everyone uses.
20100311 04:04:35< Aethaeryn> You might have heard of it.
20100311 04:04:38< Aethaeryn> It's called "Flash"
20100311 04:05:00< Gambit|sick> Yeah that thing <_<
20100311 04:05:19< Aethaeryn> And I have flashblock installed for a reason. If I want YouTube, I'll gladly click on the video once to load it rather than have a random website function loaded in one of 20 background tabs suddenly get my CPU running and my fan buzzing from silent to overly loud
20100311 04:05:29< Aethaeryn> Only compiling and running Windows Vista can run my fan like Flash does.
20100311 04:05:43< Aethaeryn> If Adobe keeps it up, they'll have a name almost as tainted as Microsoft.
20100311 04:05:48< DDR> I was taught flash (last year) on a pentium 3 with 256k ram, win98. Guess what? You can't run flash on a pentium 3 with 256k ram, win98.
20100311 04:05:55< Aethaeryn> Though yes, Adobe seems to monopolize quality image editing.
20100311 04:06:00< Gambit|sick> HTML 5.0 will take care of it. Or if more people caught on to the power of AJAX push.
20100311 04:07:30< Aethaeryn> Once HTML 5 is very popular, I might have to install the expected Firefox add-on called "HTML 5 Block"
20100311 04:07:38< Aethaeryn> Since the <video> tag isn't *too* much better if it's HD :P
20100311 04:07:42< DDR> The GIMP is reasonable, but has a few rough edges. It is lighter than adobe's product, and cheaper too.
20100311 04:08:13< DDR> Neither handle alpha well.
20100311 04:08:13< shadowmaster> cheaper, heh
20100311 04:08:16< Aethaeryn> GIMP is usable, but only once you get used to its annoyances. And more usable on Linux when you can give it its own desktop so it's not a cluttered mess. I assume having a really huge screen would also help
20100311 04:08:25< shadowmaster> DDR: uuh?
20100311 04:08:40< shadowmaster> DDR: both Photoshop and GIMP have support for 8-bit alpha channels
20100311 04:08:57< Aethaeryn> Using GIMP for pixel art is like using an ultra chainsaw powertool with arcane and difficult-to-learn functions to cut bread.
20100311 04:09:05< DDR> I mean, the _interface_ handles alpha poorly.
20100311 04:09:07< Gambit|sick> check this out:
20100311 04:09:08< Gambit|sick> http://www.ape-project.org/demos/2/move-demo.html
20100311 04:09:10< Gambit|sick> no flash!
20100311 04:09:27< shadowmaster> DDR: how so? both have some ways to change the "alpha background" to suit your needs
20100311 04:09:36< DDR> You can have masks, and just regular alpha channels. It's a bit messy.
20100311 04:10:01< DDR> It works, though.
20100311 04:10:09< shadowmaster> I have used GIMP for so long that it's become natural for me to deal with such things
20100311 04:10:15< Aethaeryn> If I had $1,000,000, I'd use some of that to pay Jetryl (he'll always have the y to me) to write a pixel-art-making app
20100311 04:10:21< DDR> Same.
20100311 04:10:29< shadowmaster> direct mask editing is rarely useful with pixel art unless you are correcting someone's mess with the alpha channel
20100311 04:10:39< Aethaeryn> GIMP has so many features that you don't use with pixel art, and so many features that get in the way with pixel art.
20100311 04:10:45< shadowmaster> e.g. transfer alpha channel to mask, edit and view mask, apply mask, woot
20100311 04:11:07< DDR> Ooo, didn't know you could do that. Neat.
20100311 04:11:20< Aethaeryn> Really, the ideal pixel art application would have two views: one that's zoomable, where you can get in as much detail as you want, and one that's always at 100% so you can make sure that it looks right when actually used.
20100311 04:11:38< Aethaeryn> I've seen more than several sprites that look better at 200% or 300% than 100%, but you'll never notice in-game.
20100311 04:11:48< DDR> Maybe I'll whip up a little app like that someday.
20100311 04:12:02< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: MSPaint has that, maybe that's why Neo used (uses?) it for his sprites
20100311 04:12:20< Aethaeryn> I'd probably move 2x as fast if I could have a real-time-100%-preview in a frame to the side of my image.
20100311 04:12:24< Aethaeryn> Perhaps GIMP plugin?
20100311 04:12:33< shadowmaster> if you can find such a plugin, let me know ;)
20100311 04:13:04< shadowmaster> keyboard shortcuts are also the most useful for working with the GIMP (and most likely Photoshop as well)
20100311 04:13:28< Aethaeryn> well, still, it would be more helpful than any switching at all, no matter how fast, if I could see off to the side what the image currently looks like.
20100311 04:13:40< Gambit|sick> ctrl+scroll
20100311 04:13:43< Aethaeryn> I would more than gladly pay for someone to make such a plugin, but I don't really have any money, being a college student.
20100311 04:14:32< shadowmaster> Gambit|sick: zooming?
20100311 04:15:00< Gambit|sick> yah, it's the fastest way to switch between 100% and whatever level you're working in
20100311 04:15:04< shadowmaster> I usually use just + and -.
20100311 04:15:09< Gambit|sick> faster than keyboard shortcuts :o
20100311 04:15:32< Gambit|sick> + and - require (ussually) that your right hand leave the mouse
20100311 04:15:36< shadowmaster> you do realize that + or - are single keystrokes, while ctrl+scroll means that you have to hold a key down while you -
20100311 04:15:44< shadowmaster> ah well, I'm not a mouse person
20100311 04:16:08< shadowmaster> in fact, there are many sprites on which I've worked using only the touchpad
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20100311 04:16:27< shadowmaster> heck, there was a time where I used the *keyboard* for moving the mouse pointer for drawing
20100311 04:16:50< shadowmaster> though that was mostly out of necessity due to a borken touchpad
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20100311 04:18:58< Gambit|sick> What time is it for everyone? 22:18 here.
20100311 04:19:06< Aethaeryn> 10:19 pm here.
20100311 04:19:15< Aethaeryn> I'm a minute ahead of you :o
20100311 04:19:20< Gambit|sick> Same timezone ftw
20100311 04:19:34< Gambit|sick> Hmm what server does yours synch to? Mine just changed
20100311 04:19:35< Aethaeryn> no, I'm ahead :P
20100311 04:19:46< Aethaeryn> It doesn't sync.
20100311 04:20:07< Aethaeryn> Every time it's noticeably off I synchronize it with my watch.
20100311 04:20:17< Gambit|sick> Mine is set to chech with time.nist.gov every onve in a while.
20100311 04:20:24< Gambit|sick> Windows is by default
20100311 04:20:27< Aethaeryn> It's one of those "atomic clocks" that gets a radio signal that gets a really accurate time thing every night.
20100311 04:21:12< Aethaeryn> Fedora *can* sync, I just choose not to.
20100311 04:21:19< Aethaeryn> Control.
20100311 04:21:54< Aethaeryn> Maybe that's the real reason I prefer open over proprietary. I hate people forcing me into a certain standard or way of thinking/doing.
20100311 04:22:08< Aethaeryn> And Microsoft is all about promoting its way over all others. Apple too.
20100311 04:22:15< Aethaeryn> And increasingly Google. :(
20100311 04:22:32< Gambit|sick> The world is a vampire.
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20100311 04:24:00< Aethaeryn> Save the whales?
20100311 04:24:09< Gambit|sick> xD
20100311 04:25:46< DDR> Shave the whales!
20100311 04:27:01< Gambit|sick> I was working on a browser based RPG that circumvented flash, though it relies on coldfusion so I guess that's just as bad on proprietaryness.
20100311 04:27:04< Aethaeryn> 22:25:39 < philh> Aethaeryn, View > New view
20100311 04:27:57< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: That would be how you do the 100% and zoomed at the same time. Simply make the window of the "new view" at 100% and set it "always on top" and then it will update (with slight delay) when you update the main image... just tested it
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20100311 04:35:09< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: nice, thanks
20100311 04:35:18< shadowmaster> now I'm off to bed now
20100311 04:35:30< AlmostCutMyHair> night
20100311 04:35:32< Aethaeryn> 'night
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20100311 08:47:39< Unnheulu> I wish konrad was fast -.-
20100311 08:47:40< wesbot> Unnheulu: Sometimes we are fast
20100311 08:47:49< Unnheulu> wut da
20100311 08:48:16< Unnheulu> hi wesbot!!!
20100311 08:48:23< Unnheulu> Your my bestest friend
20100311 08:58:40 * wesbot kicks Unnheulu
20100311 09:05:47< Sacho> he's fast enough, really
20100311 09:06:34< Sacho> nothing can catch up to horsemen, and as soon as you level your first captain your elves already have leadership in woods
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20100311 09:30:51< Euthanatos> is the server having problems?
20100311 09:31:04< Euthanatos> a lot fo people seem to be getting some wierd d/cs
20100311 09:31:14< Euthanatos> and/or lagging
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20100311 10:14:07< Rhonda> Euthanatos: load average: 0.31, 0.45, 0.85
20100311 10:14:09< Rhonda> Doesn't seem so.
20100311 10:17:56< Euthanatos> then maybe i just got some douchebags
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20100311 10:50:16< Ivanovic> moin
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20100311 16:34:28< Unnheulu> man
20100311 16:34:37< Unnheulu> I'm addicted to the iTouch version
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20100311 16:54:31< ghyr-easeus> Hi
20100311 16:54:47< sevis> Good afternoon
20100311 16:55:08< ghyr-easeus> Well, rather evening - i have 17:54
20100311 16:55:15< ghyr-easeus> What about you?
20100311 16:56:19< ghyr-easeus> When Gambit will join us?
20100311 16:56:54< sevis> It's 16:56 here. And I have no idea.
20100311 16:56:59< Unnheulu> the joker?
20100311 16:57:14< shadowmaster> ghyr-easeus: what do you want Gambit for?
20100311 16:57:33< ghyr-easeus> shadowmaster: nothing serious
20100311 16:57:37< shadowmaster> and  have 12:57 pm, woot
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20100311 16:58:20< Unnheulu> hmm
20100311 16:58:25< Unnheulu> what does plague do?
20100311 16:58:32< Unnheulu> I've not played so long I've forgotten
20100311 16:58:45< ghyr-easeus> Unnheulu: After unit being killed, it turns him to a walking corpse
20100311 16:59:41< Unnheulu> shoot
20100311 16:59:52< Unnheulu> I shouldn't have surrounded the enemy
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20100311 17:50:51< ghyr-easeus> Hi again.
20100311 17:51:09< ghyr-easeus> Got some doubts about further development...
20100311 17:51:58< ghyr-easeus> I hope that there's no reasons to fear, but there's some doubts.
20100311 17:52:14< ghyr-easeus> Looks like developers will STOP development of Wesnoth after 1.8
20100311 17:52:25< ghyr-easeus> Hope, that's false.
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20100311 17:53:33< sevis> What makes you say that?
20100311 17:54:15< ghyr-easeus> Just watched the changelog.
20100311 17:54:36< ghyr-easeus> That's 1 reason.
20100311 17:54:40< ghyr-easeus> Reason #2:
20100311 17:54:55< ghyr-easeus> Less and less new content adding in development releases
20100311 17:55:02< ghyr-easeus> I.e. campaigns
20100311 17:55:13< ghyr-easeus> 1.0 -> 1.2: 3 new campaigns
20100311 17:55:19< ghyr-easeus> 1.2 -> 1.4: 7
20100311 17:55:42< ghyr-easeus> 1.4 -> 1.6: 1
20100311 17:55:49< ghyr-easeus> 1.6 -> 1.8: just 1
20100311 17:56:17< elias> you should compare the commits / day
20100311 17:56:29< sevis> But 1.8 has a new AI, which is, if I"m not mistaken, the first new AI since quite a while.
20100311 17:56:42< ghyr-easeus> That's true.
20100311 17:57:04< ghyr-easeus> elias: Simpler, please.
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20100311 17:57:35< sevis> Besides, there's more than just campaigns to update. The visuals are getting upgraded a lot - look at rhyging5's work.
20100311 17:57:38< elias> ghyr-easeus: my thinking was, the more campaigns there are, the more campaign maintanance work
20100311 17:57:50< elias> so it might be that right now theree's more work done than ever
20100311 17:58:02< sevis> Not to discredit the work of other artists, but I'd say his is the most revolutionary.
20100311 17:58:12< elias> (and counting the daily commits would be a good indication of how much work is done right now)
20100311 17:58:19< ghyr-easeus> Yes. Well, I need just a word of the developer.
20100311 17:58:33< ghyr-easeus> Will the development stop after 1.8?
20100311 18:01:25< ghyr-easeus> Can you see what I'm typing?
20100311 18:01:46< ghyr-easeus> Looks like I lost connection with server.
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20100311 18:02:14< sevis> May I laugh now?
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20100311 18:05:30< Hagaren> Hi all, is Wesnoth participating in Google Summer of Code this year? How to get involved?
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20100311 18:09:33< Gambit> Yep you got them.
20100311 18:09:40< Gambit> They're just going to cut and run after 1.8
20100311 18:09:50< Gambit> oh wait he's not here.
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20100311 18:17:03< Hagaren> Does anyone know something about GSoC?
20100311 18:17:27< Unnheulu> I am sooooo addicted -.-
20100311 18:17:53< elias> Hagaren: Ivanovic does
20100311 18:19:15< Hagaren> so I guess i have no option, but wait for his response
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20100311 18:29:52< elias> Hagaren: you could search the forums and wiki, maybe there's something about it
20100311 18:31:52< Hagaren> elias: thanks, i will check it
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20100311 19:16:42< happygrue> Hagaren: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC_Information_for_Google
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20100311 19:18:06< happygrue> Hagaren: look at that first, then ask any questions on #wesnoth-dev
20100311 19:19:20< happygrue> Hagaren: oops, this too:  http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeIdeas
20100311 19:19:35< happygrue> the first one was not what I was thinking it was, sorry.
20100311 19:19:43< Hagaren> happygrue: ok, i will check it out
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20100311 19:20:04< Hagaren> and this other page is linked to first one ;)
20100311 19:20:26< Hagaren> thanks
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20100311 19:24:58< Ivanovic> Hagaren: and make sure to join #wesnoth-dev (since that is the "real" development channel)
20100311 19:25:12< Ivanovic> in general we will try to get in, but so far it is not sure which orgs will be accepted
20100311 19:25:25< Ivanovic> we hope to be in again and will know the results in about one week
20100311 19:27:31< Hagaren> Ivanovic: ok, I am counting on that you will get in, I will ask more questions when i get through this sites
20100311 19:27:53< Ivanovic> the information for google page is not the relevant one right now
20100311 19:27:55< Hagaren> and i will do it on #wesnoth-dev 
20100311 19:28:15< Ivanovic> what is relevant for you is the ideas page since there are some possible project (of course you are free to propose something yourself, too!)
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20100311 21:08:09< zenhoobbit> hey a guy named STN_Leid and other STN told me bad words in main server!
20100311 21:08:34< zenhoobbit> no admin can stop them?
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20100311 21:10:05< Gambit|ill> Who will save us?
20100311 21:10:26< Gambit|ill> The honest, God fearing Americans who own baby skull seeking bullets.
20100311 21:10:36< Gambit|ill> zenhoobbit: Did you try adminmsg?
20100311 21:15:32< zenhoobbit> yes
20100311 21:15:53< zenhoobbit> no admin in server
20100311 21:16:43< zenhoobbit> a guy named STN_Leid and other STN said me bad words in chat
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20100311 21:20:15< Gambit|ill> try pming one of them on the forums
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20100311 21:30:39< zenhoobbit> hey Soliton
20100311 21:33:46< zenhoobbit> hai happygrue
20100311 21:34:59< happygrue> zenhoobbit: was it in the lobby or in a game?
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20100311 21:35:54< zenhoobbit> in the main lobby
20100311 21:36:34< happygrue> when?
20100311 21:37:18< happygrue> what happened?
20100311 21:38:33< happygrue> zenhoobbit: you can use private chat if you like
20100311 21:41:16< zenhoobbit> a guy named STN_Leid told me bad words
20100311 21:41:55< happygrue> and why did he do that?
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20100311 21:49:34< Soliton> from the lobby log you can mostly just see zenhoobbit spamming "stn go to hell" for some reason...
20100311 21:51:23< happygrue> yeah
20100311 21:51:34< happygrue> I was wondering if there was a reason he cared to give for that
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20100311 21:54:30< zenhoobbit> because he told me bad words in a game
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20100311 21:57:15< happygrue> zenhoobbit: in most cases the best thing to do is to leave the game and don't play with them again.  If you spam the lobby with 'bad words' of your own then we can't take your report seriously.  Host are generally in charge of moderating a game.  If you see something really offensive you can save a replay and pm it to a moderator.  But if you are not taking the reporting seriously then ... well, don't do that or that would be bad, ok?
20100311 21:58:22< Gambit|ill> rofl
20100311 22:01:58< happygrue> ...lest the server smite thee dead with much thunder.
20100311 22:05:38< Gambit|ill> <server> has a terrible sense of humor.
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20100311 22:17:36< Gambit|ill> IT FINALLY CAME!
20100311 22:17:38< Gambit|ill> cya suckers.
20100311 22:18:06< Gambit|ill> I mean uh... friends
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