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20100313 00:03:59< Aethaeryn> sevis: even grunts
20100313 00:04:08< Aethaeryn> drakes are damn expensive
20100313 00:09:06< sevis> I've found the difference in armour to be key.
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20100313 00:18:50< Euthanatos> gobos are pierce
20100313 00:18:56< Euthanatos> drakes are weak to pierce
20100313 00:19:41< Euthanatos> grunts and trolls make great zoc to decide battlegrounds for engagement against drakes
20100313 00:20:08< Euthanatos> 2-4 gunts/trolls, an assasin and gobos
20100313 00:20:24< Euthanatos> maybe a wolf to scout with
20100313 00:22:02< sevis> Yep, sounds like what I do.
20100313 00:25:19< Aethaeryn> I prefer grunts to trolls, since the 1g difference is more important in this match than regen imo
20100313 00:25:29< Aethaeryn> and drakes resist impact more than blade I think
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20100313 00:44:19< Sacho> I wouldn't use trolls at all
20100313 00:44:27< Sacho> drakes have no obligation to fight you on your terms
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20100313 01:09:47 * Gambit does not have an allergy to ontopicness >_>
20100313 01:14:01< MikeJB> eh, it's true though, the topic finally died when it went to a bunch of wesnoth stuff
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20100313 01:38:07< Hulavuta> Hi
20100313 01:39:25< Spambit> ello
20100313 01:40:29< Spambit> MikeJB: You spoke of Syfy's butchering retardery earlier. Did you see what they did to Alice in Wonderland?
20100313 01:40:45< Hulavuta> Is there any way to keep your ribbons when you download a new version of Wesnoth?
20100313 01:41:57< Spambit> Yes. Harrass shadowm to hurry up with persistent variables.
20100313 01:42:03< Spambit> lol jk. Um transfer userdata?
20100313 01:43:51< Spambit> They say to speak his full name is to summon his wrath.
20100313 01:44:16< Spambit> Hulavuta: Did you try just copying over the userdata folder?
20100313 01:44:38< Spambit> If that doesn't work then there may not be a way.
20100313 01:45:02< Blarumyrran> What are ribbons?
20100313 01:46:47< Hulavuta> Yes
20100313 01:46:54< Hulavuta> But it didn't work
20100313 01:47:58< Hulavuta> Oh I found it!
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20100313 01:50:51< MikeJB> Spambit: Half of it, and only half-watching. Nothing new, to release something based on something public domain'd that is getting Holywood treatment... they did that to War of the Worlds too
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20100313 01:51:03< MikeJB> Though since they butchered Lovecraft, does that mean one's coming? ;)
20100313 01:52:00< Hulavuta> When I install a new version, can I make it that my current userdata folder becomes the Userdata folder for the new version?
20100313 01:53:09< Blarumyrran> Hulavuta, some things in userdata, such as saves, likely won't work in a new version
20100313 01:53:43< Blarumyrran> But there was some user configuration file for the mp friends list & language & settings & such, that should be copy-pasteable
20100313 01:54:20< Hulavuta> So.....wut?
20100313 01:54:52< Blarumyrran> userdata/preferences
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20100313 01:55:38< Hulavuta> I know.
20100313 01:56:33< Hulavuta> But I mean is there anyway to use the userdata folder I already have, and use that folder instead of having to install a new one?
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20100313 01:57:01< Blarumyrran> What "installing a new userdata folder" mean
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20100313 01:59:10< Hulavuta> Okay, when you install Wesnoth, you get a userdata folder.
20100313 01:59:36< Hulavuta> I have put a lot of stuff in this userdata folder, and I was wondering, when I install a new version, can I make the userdata folder I already have apply to the new version?
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20100313 01:59:57< Blarumyrran> And as was said, you can copy-paste it
20100313 02:00:02< Hulavuta> ok...
20100313 02:00:08< Blarumyrran> And as I said, some of it, like saves, probably won't work in the new version
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20100313 02:02:26< Spambit> The userdata folder is not overwritten on new installs of the same branch :s
20100313 02:02:43< Spambit> In fact before first run it doesn't even exist.
20100313 02:02:48< Spambit> iirc
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20100313 02:04:25< Spambit> Hulavuta1: The userdata folder is not overwritten on new installs of the same branch. So you shouldn't have any problems except for going 1.6->1.8
20100313 02:05:28< Hulavuta1> Oh...
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20100313 02:05:33< Hulavuta1> So
20100313 02:05:50< Hulavuta1> If I installed the game, it would use the userdata folder I have?
20100313 02:10:04< Hulavuta1> It worked
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20100313 02:32:12< Spambit> This is why I am a big fan of the "only one way to find out" philosophy when it comes to computers.
20100313 02:32:33< Spambit> And you can always combine that with the "back up everything before you do anything" philosophy...
20100313 02:32:59< mordocai> Spambit: Especially the "back up everything before you do anything"
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20100313 02:38:07< Spambit> Any time it's a question of "will this disappear?"; a copy of it won't disappear no matter what.
20100313 02:39:06< VurtualRuler98> It is if you engrave elbereth with a text file at the base folder of your hard drive
20100313 02:39:07< Spambit> Well... assuming the medium stays in tact... Obviously "no matter what" does not apply to reformatting or... hammers.
20100313 02:39:30< mordocai> Or hammers and nails!
20100313 02:39:38< VurtualRuler98> or reformatting nails
20100313 02:40:19< Spambit> I wonder what effect those would have on a brain.
20100313 02:40:25< mordocai> Soo.... #GNU has people in it... but no one talks there -.-
20100313 02:40:34< VurtualRuler98> It's called IRC
20100313 02:40:38< VurtualRuler98> Never active 24/7
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20100313 02:40:54< VurtualRuler98> Reformat-nailing your brain would be like being drunk
20100313 02:40:58< mordocai> Yeah, i'm just used to #linux and #fedora i guess.
20100313 02:41:08< VurtualRuler98> After they go away it's like you were drunk the whole time and you have a massive headache
20100313 02:41:31< mordocai> I'm doing a 5-8 minute speech on free software to people who have never heard about it... so i was asking for ideas/tips etc... they probably just don't care lol
20100313 02:41:56< VurtualRuler98> Well it never costs money, you can install it literally whenever even if you don't go out and buy things yourself.
20100313 02:42:22< VurtualRuler98> It's patched often, fixable to those who know about it in some cases, and has to maintain enough quality to get users.
20100313 02:42:35< VurtualRuler98> And insulting it equals free help.
20100313 02:42:39< Spambit> I would have thought remformatting nails to have permanence.
20100313 02:42:52< VurtualRuler98> Spambit, ever been drunk enough to not remember the night before?
20100313 02:43:16< mordocai> Spambit: Only if you hit the wrong parts! If you hit the right parts you get fun stuff! Like blindness, deafness, no emotions, etc.
20100313 02:44:29< Spambit> VurtualRuler98: permanence and affect all
20100313 02:46:01< VurtualRuler98> I'd equate it to alchohol nails.
20100313 02:46:08< VurtualRuler98> Without the fun of alchohol.
20100313 02:46:23< mordocai> VurtualRuler98: Yeah, i think i'm going to burn 30ish ubuntu cds for people. Not completely free as in speech, but at least it works on more hardware...
20100313 02:47:39< VurtualRuler98> Like anyone's ever paid money because of ubuntu, outside of hardware.
20100313 02:48:11< mordocai> I didn't say free as in beer :P
20100313 02:50:30< Spambit> haha
20100313 02:50:43< Spambit> I've contemplated selling wesnoth
20100313 02:51:06< VurtualRuler98> Almost noone would buy it probably.
20100313 02:51:38< VurtualRuler98> You could just hint that you are, and every open source fanatic would actively hinder and destroy anything they can.
20100313 02:51:43< mordocai> Well, they are -selling- it on the iphone. I don't know if anybody is buying though. I would if i wanted to use apple products.
20100313 02:51:45< VurtualRuler98> Infact everyone /clear and delete this log.
20100313 02:52:02< Spambit> I mean not selling it on the internet
20100313 02:52:06< Spambit> but just locally
20100313 02:52:15< mordocai> Oh, people would probably buy it then.
20100313 02:52:20< VurtualRuler98> You'd have terrorist attacks.
20100313 02:52:31< mordocai> In fact, if you sold it for close to $50 a pop, you'd get more buys.
20100313 02:52:36< Blarumyrran> Your family would be flayed alive.
20100313 02:52:40< VurtualRuler98> Do a fundraiser instead, and you'll only have drivebys.
20100313 02:53:00< Spambit> They know my IP :P
20100313 02:53:13< VurtualRuler98> Hey, we could make a modern war era and then package it as Call of Wesnoth
20100313 02:53:21< Blarumyrran> Spambit, I know your ip too :o
20100313 02:53:23< VurtualRuler98> I was thinking about that, or maybe ww2.
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20100313 02:54:32< Spambit> or a mod where each player controls 1 unit
20100313 02:54:36< Spambit> and there are spawn points
20100313 02:54:39< Spambit> and reinforcement counts
20100313 02:54:43< Spambit> And classes
20100313 02:54:50< Spambit> Wesnoth Battlefront
20100313 02:54:51< mordocai> Aka Star Wars BattleFront?
20100313 02:54:54< mordocai> Damn, too late
20100313 02:55:32 * Spambit may or may not already be prototyping that
20100313 02:55:37< VurtualRuler98> Defense of Wesnoth
20100313 02:56:07< mordocai> World of Wesnoth
20100313 02:56:20< Spambit> Team Wesnoth 2
20100313 02:56:21< VurtualRuler98> I am absolutely shocked about the lack of/lack of popularity of DOTA-style mods, and zombie mods
20100313 02:56:23< Euthanatos> holy shit dude
20100313 02:56:26< Euthanatos> you suck
20100313 02:56:28< mordocai> It would be Free WoW!(that's how we would advertise it)
20100313 02:56:29< VurtualRuler98> Half-Noth
20100313 02:56:32< Euthanatos> Alice was fucking amazing
20100313 02:56:59< Spambit> free turn based Wow
20100313 02:57:01< VurtualRuler98> Attention, antiloyalist detected in your block.
20100313 02:57:15< Spambit> and the first m in mmorpg stands for mini
20100313 02:57:29< Spambit> on account of only having 9 players at a time
20100313 02:57:41< Blarumyrran> VurtualRuler98, at some point some 2 years ago some third of the games on the mp server were dotg
20100313 02:57:44 * mordocai should be writing his speech. but he doesn't want too.
20100313 02:57:51< VurtualRuler98> oh well then
20100313 02:57:54< VurtualRuler98> But still, zombie mods?
20100313 02:58:00< Blarumyrran> there are 2 I know of
20100313 02:58:03< mordocai> Walking corpses?
20100313 02:58:10< VurtualRuler98> What about poisoning walking corpses?
20100313 02:58:15< Blarumyrran> ghouls?
20100313 02:58:16< VurtualRuler98> And dying from poison zombies you.
20100313 02:58:19< Spambit> PK is working on the zombie mod to end all zombie mods
20100313 02:58:45< Spambit> I would like a zombie mod wherein you get to play as a zombie AFTER being infected
20100313 02:59:00< Spambit> and there are civilians other than the players
20100313 02:59:08< VurtualRuler98> Walk up to someone and die.
20100313 02:59:08< Blarumyrran> PK's modern warfare scenario was neat
20100313 02:59:13< VurtualRuler98> You're winner!
20100313 02:59:20< Blarumyrran> Way too detailed to actually play, but still, neat
20100313 02:59:21< Spambit> and as a player zombie you can turn back into a person after zombifying x number of peoples
20100313 02:59:50< Spambit> I tried to talk him into all of these things for his >_>
20100313 02:59:55< Spambit> he's considering the player zombie bit
20100313 03:00:08< Spambit> He's going to have hitboxes!
20100313 03:00:11< Spambit> In a tbs!!!
20100313 03:00:44< Blarumyrran> Oh the eternal cycle of life, death, and eatenoughbrainsthenlifeagain
20100313 03:00:56< Blarumyrran> That doesn't really make sense
20100313 03:01:05< VurtualRuler98> Life, death, undeath
20100313 03:01:08< mordocai> I still don't get the point really... with walking corpses they kill people, and when they do the people rise back up as more walking corpses.... just have one person agree to recruit all peasants and the other recruit all walking corpses... no modding at all.(Maybe a little to get peasants).
20100313 03:01:15< VurtualRuler98> Life, death, undeath, brains.
20100313 03:01:28< VurtualRuler98> mordocai, but you could toy with it alot.
20100313 03:01:32< Blarumyrran> VurtualRuler98, I mean a zombie becoming a person again after eating brains part
20100313 03:01:43< VurtualRuler98> Fresh, working brains?
20100313 03:01:47< Blarumyrran> yes
20100313 03:01:49< mordocai> VurtualRuler98: True. I'm just not a big TBS zombie fan i suppose... oh well.
20100313 03:02:05< VurtualRuler98> But the zombies could deal poison damage that can zombify you!
20100313 03:02:28< Spambit> VurtualRuler98: yep he had some sort of wounded counter system thinger planned
20100313 03:02:45< VurtualRuler98> Only zombie virus/zombie attacks could turn you.
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20100313 03:03:01< VurtualRuler98> See how long until someone decides to attack your units to stop infection spread.
20100313 03:03:05< Spambit> Oh and there are soldiers that want to kill everyone that might be a zombie
20100313 03:03:15< Spambit> it was a zombie rpg
20100313 03:03:15< mordocai> It would be cool though if their was a resident evil type zombie girl... kinda like kerrigan from starcraft -.-
20100313 03:03:21< Spambit> so one unit per person I think
20100313 03:03:31< Spambit> +helpers maybe?
20100313 03:03:41< mordocai> meh, i'm tired... s/their/there/
20100313 03:03:43< VurtualRuler98> Each player could be over-the-top action hero.
20100313 03:03:44< Spambit> I dunno. He was excitedly rattling off a large list of awesomeness
20100313 03:03:47< VurtualRuler98> Like in Just Cause 2.
20100313 03:03:55< Spambit> <3 that demo!
20100313 03:03:58< VurtualRuler98> Then common people would be with them.
20100313 03:04:11< Spambit> In no other game can you grapple hook an enemy to a propane tank, and light it off like a firework
20100313 03:04:25< Spambit> or escape danger by climbing onto a propane tank and rocketing up really high
20100313 03:04:27< VurtualRuler98> Or go high into the sky by holding onto one
20100313 03:04:28< Spambit> and then parachuting out
20100313 03:04:50< Spambit> Tieing enemy jeeps to the backs of planes, etc
20100313 03:04:51< VurtualRuler98> Or dual wield grenade launchers while standing ontop of a small civilian aircraft, and bombrd a hostile military base.
20100313 03:05:16< Spambit> I like hijacking that armored van and running over the colonel
20100313 03:05:28< Spambit> and then stealing either his sports car or helocopter
20100313 03:05:34< VurtualRuler98> There's 2 of them.
20100313 03:05:38< VurtualRuler98> And 3 radio bases, only 2 marked.
20100313 03:06:48< VurtualRuler98> Since you didn't notice, it seems like the demo is full game enough considering most people visit only one fifth of it.
20100313 03:07:20< Spambit> Yep
20100313 03:07:33< Spambit> And then you realize just how big the full game will be in comparison :o
20100313 03:07:49< VurtualRuler98> There's like... 5 different chopper locations and most people only know of 1-2.
20100313 03:07:50< Spambit> over 200 towns, cities, military installations, gas stations and convenience stores
20100313 03:08:08< VurtualRuler98> And one of them is literally at the start.
20100313 03:08:22< Spambit> lol yeah up on that hill
20100313 03:08:37< Spambit> Just Cause 2 is going to basically be a GTA clone, with everything I hate about GTA taken our
20100313 03:08:40< Spambit> *out
20100313 03:08:45< VurtualRuler98> It's hardly a GTA clone.
20100313 03:08:48< Spambit> And replaced with everything I love about square enix games
20100313 03:08:56< VurtualRuler98> Sure it has open worlds, but linearity or small enclosed places wouldn't work.
20100313 03:09:16< VurtualRuler98> The radar circle thing isn't just a GTA thing, and dual wielding is an action movie thing.
20100313 03:09:29< VurtualRuler98> Sorta went "Woah gta" when I was ragdolling and crawling and stumbling.
20100313 03:10:10< VurtualRuler98> Then I just started going "Woah, JC2" recursively when guards make radio announcements of my description, and taunt me like a throwaway spam guard.
20100313 03:10:37< VurtualRuler98> They probably get a medal of honor for wounding you, since it's so important to them.
20100313 03:11:46< Spambit> I meant GTA clone in the sense that the main fun is causing as much trouble as possible in an open world with tons of civilians, vehicles, and police.
20100313 03:12:03< Spambit> Since I couldn't think of another series that easily combines all those
20100313 03:12:18< Spambit> that predates GTA
20100313 03:12:48< VurtualRuler98> Well take out open world, HL2.
20100313 03:13:10< Spambit> Heh well open world is the last thing you'd wanna take out
20100313 03:13:17< Spambit> JC2 has the biggest world I've ever seeen
20100313 03:13:29< VurtualRuler98> No no, hl2 is that if it had an open world
20100313 03:13:35< Euthanatos> So i've been going over the ANL code extensively and it occurs to me that this is using non-MP safe WML...for stable anyway....how is it that ANL ever made it into the default map package using non-MP safe WML so extensively?
20100313 03:13:57< VurtualRuler98> Name any time where you aren't just out to break something/go into something, tearing it up, or running to your HQ?
20100313 03:14:29< Spambit> When I'm trying to get to the top of the highest mountain and jump off for S's and G's
20100313 03:14:42< Spambit> Or seeing which vehicles are capable of pulling which other vehicles
20100313 03:14:45< mordocai> Euthanatos: Probably a better question for #wesnoth-dev
20100313 03:15:30< Spambit> My favorite activity lately has been holeing up at gas stations and seeing just how much heat I can survive
20100313 03:16:00< Spambit> Sadly the demo seems to have a limit
20100313 03:16:22< VurtualRuler98> Is there really any reason to hide there?
20100313 03:16:35< VurtualRuler98> I haven't been able to enter any of them for sure.
20100313 03:16:43< Spambit> The building provides some cover, and the AI is stupid enough to not look for me on the other side :)
20100313 03:17:03< Spambit> If they see you go behind it on the left, they won't be expecting you to emerge on the right side
20100313 03:17:03< VurtualRuler98> You should try hiding in military bases.
20100313 03:17:17< Spambit> that's actually easier
20100313 03:17:19< Spambit> more buildings
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20100313 03:17:26< VurtualRuler98> During level 4 heat.
20100313 03:17:41< VurtualRuler98> You can't stay under anything because you'll be shot from the side
20100313 03:17:49< VurtualRuler98> and hanging off a wall results in heavy rocketry
20100313 03:19:06< Spambit> the biggest challenge is out in the open because for cover you only have the jeeps they bring with them
20100313 03:19:30< Spambit> But all you have to do is take one of their motorcycles up to speed and chute away
20100313 03:19:41< VurtualRuler98> You use the grapple to speed up.
20100313 03:19:41< Spambit> If you get into trouble
20100313 03:19:47< VurtualRuler98> Shoot the ground, parachute halfway through the thing
20100313 03:20:01< VurtualRuler98> Then use your grapple to go forward, using the ground
20100313 03:20:09< Spambit> chuting from a motorcycle gives you incredible starting height and speed
20100313 03:20:42< VurtualRuler98> Too bad we can't windsurf.
20100313 03:21:02< VurtualRuler98> Or reliably jump into a chopper we let go of while climbing on it, causing it to get lonely and crash.
20100313 03:21:02< Spambit> I want to pirate a boat :(
20100313 03:21:14< VurtualRuler98> Try causing chaos at the tiny port.
20100313 03:21:17< VurtualRuler98> See if boats come
20100313 03:21:19< Spambit> if the full game has ships I'll spend most of my time as a pirate
20100313 03:21:26< VurtualRuler98> It does
20100313 03:21:39< VurtualRuler98> They appear in the trailer, with guards shooting at you with the miniguns/heavy guns
20100313 03:21:43< VurtualRuler98> Or get level 4, zoom off to the port.
20100313 03:22:13< Spambit> I wonder if you can pilot large ships
20100313 03:22:45< VurtualRuler98> Also, apparently in the demo, if you gain really high heat, fighter planes come
20100313 03:22:50< VurtualRuler98> And planes are grapple-able
20100313 03:22:58< Spambit> Panay seems like the kind of president to possess a submarine just as a show of awesomeness
20100313 03:23:26< VurtualRuler98> Well, he does have pipelines(in a desert), and a huge amount of military bases
20100313 03:23:37< VurtualRuler98> He probably has an island for them
20100313 03:23:45< VurtualRuler98> Or maybe he has a submersible island.
20100313 03:24:27< Spambit> ha
20100313 03:25:14< Spambit> Yeah but that'll be DLC :P
20100313 03:25:35< Spambit> VurtualRuler98: Xbox or Ps3?
20100313 03:25:45< VurtualRuler98> What?
20100313 03:25:53< Spambit> oh PC xd
20100313 03:26:10< VurtualRuler98> Like anyone uses consoles except for nintendo games anyways
20100313 03:26:28< Spambit> :s
20100313 03:26:32 * Spambit begs to differ
20100313 03:26:42< VurtualRuler98> You're missing out dude.
20100313 03:26:53 * Spambit isn't missing out either due to his awesome gaming rig :P
20100313 03:26:54< VurtualRuler98> You got lucky with that timer-freezing glitch
20100313 03:26:58 * Spambit enjoys both.
20100313 03:27:00< VurtualRuler98> The PC has already been hack-modded.
20100313 03:27:04< VurtualRuler98> well then
20100313 03:27:08< VurtualRuler98> You can play it TWICE
20100313 03:27:17< Spambit> where do you get the PC demo?
20100313 03:27:21< VurtualRuler98> Steam.
20100313 03:27:32< VurtualRuler98> To the annoyance of fileplanet and those steam "competitors"
20100313 03:27:35< Spambit> oh that bat rastard software
20100313 03:27:45< VurtualRuler98> Steam is awesome :(
20100313 03:27:58< Spambit> yippe so I have to go redownload that pos
20100313 03:28:12< VurtualRuler98> Had I not had the money otherwise, I could've gotten tf2 for 2 bucks.
20100313 03:28:31< VurtualRuler98> Also, being able to install any of my older games on my laptop has fought off boredom before.
20100313 03:28:58< Spambit> but seriously there are plenty of good for consoles
20100313 03:29:03< Spambit> consoles are much better
20100313 03:29:07< Spambit> they're dedicated to a single task
20100313 03:29:09< Spambit> and they do it well
20100313 03:29:13< VurtualRuler98> console exclusive, not a nintendo console or a decade old.
20100313 03:29:19< Spambit> point to me a PC contemporary for Little Big Planet
20100313 03:29:34< VurtualRuler98> Hmm.
20100313 03:29:37< VurtualRuler98> Lemme think for a second.
20100313 03:29:42< Spambit> PC can't even match killzone 2's graphics.
20100313 03:29:46< VurtualRuler98> ...*cough*
20100313 03:29:51< VurtualRuler98> Alright alright look what you just did.
20100313 03:30:08< VurtualRuler98> You just tried to prove a few year old console as more powerful than a modern computer.
20100313 03:30:09< Blarumyrran> Aren't flash games mostly better than console games anyway?
20100313 03:30:28< Spambit> hmmm I pointed out two excellent console games that have no PC counterparts.
20100313 03:30:38< VurtualRuler98> Where's your console arma 2?
20100313 03:31:06< Spambit> Don't get me wrong. I'll never be able to make games on my ps3 :P
20100313 03:31:10< VurtualRuler98> Actual console Civilization?
20100313 03:31:20< Spambit> Or run bacteria simulations
20100313 03:31:32< VurtualRuler98> Also unless you hook up a mouse/keyboard on your console, you'll never be able to properly play FPSes.
20100313 03:31:36< VurtualRuler98> ...except goldeneye
20100313 03:32:08< VurtualRuler98> And these hl2 mods, can you install them on your console?
20100313 03:32:11< Spambit> SWBF2 plays the same on PC with a joystick as with a mouse
20100313 03:32:19< Spambit> in fact last time I went into a SWBF2 public PC room
20100313 03:32:25< Spambit> after not playing for 6 months
20100313 03:32:31< Spambit> I was top in the room *with a joystick*
20100313 03:32:51< VurtualRuler98> SWBF2 is pretty easy with a joystick considering headshots are mostly pointless.
20100313 03:32:53< Spambit> Though I will concede that most games are not that friendly
20100313 03:33:08< VurtualRuler98> Can you have these extra shiny graphics, high framerates?
20100313 03:33:19< VurtualRuler98> Could you play counter-strike?
20100313 03:34:02< Spambit> How do you mean that?
20100313 03:34:10< VurtualRuler98> Well, firstly, it's not on consoles.
20100313 03:34:11< Spambit> I've never played it before so I coulnd't play it well
20100313 03:34:15< VurtualRuler98> Secondly, it's very twitchy.
20100313 03:34:20< Spambit> No but it has plenty of counterparts
20100313 03:34:21< VurtualRuler98> You can't just lean a stick and spray at someone.
20100313 03:34:28< VurtualRuler98> Yeah, what games are like counter-strike?
20100313 03:34:39< VurtualRuler98> I can't name any that aren't just hl2 mods, and even then they're different.
20100313 03:35:26< VurtualRuler98> There's a reason the game can easily outdo new games on player counts.
20100313 03:35:36< Spambit> Which is ...?
20100313 03:35:43< VurtualRuler98> They've gotten the game exactly how everyone likes it.
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20100313 03:36:02< VurtualRuler98> The time they added a little tiny radar, everybody started going raging mad about it.
20100313 03:37:01< Spambit> So just cause 2 on PC has been modded for no timer?
20100313 03:37:05< VurtualRuler98> yup
20100313 03:37:06< Spambit> Any way to save?
20100313 03:37:07< VurtualRuler98> infinite grapples
20100313 03:37:09< VurtualRuler98> infinite ammo
20100313 03:37:17< Spambit> meh I don't want cheating mods
20100313 03:37:19< VurtualRuler98> The black market being free, producing every vehicle/weapon.
20100313 03:37:27< Spambit> ? infinit grapples?
20100313 03:37:29< VurtualRuler98> Yeah
20100313 03:37:34< VurtualRuler98> It's not perfected, mostly visual.
20100313 03:37:37< Spambit> I wasn't aware they had a limit :s
20100313 03:37:38< VurtualRuler98> But you can have an unending amount of ropes.
20100313 03:37:41< Spambit> OH the length xD
20100313 03:37:43< VurtualRuler98> Actively placed
20100313 03:37:53< VurtualRuler98> Length, amount of actual cables functioning
20100313 03:38:13< VurtualRuler98> You could hook two cars together, and hook them up to a helicopter, making a massive rope of cars
20100313 03:38:18< VurtualRuler98> Or maybe a people whip, made out of people.
20100313 03:38:36< VurtualRuler98> Still being modded in though.
20100313 03:38:39< Spambit> link me?
20100313 03:38:53< VurtualRuler98> Ehh, search around.
20100313 03:39:03< VurtualRuler98> Chances are it's not done yet, and multple people are probably trying to do that.
20100313 03:39:23< Spambit> oh so there isn't actually a working no timer mod?
20100313 03:39:31< VurtualRuler98> Well yeah there is
20100313 03:39:33< VurtualRuler98> Lots I think
20100313 03:39:40< VurtualRuler98> I don't use it
20100313 03:39:47< VurtualRuler98> They also took out the border for very buggy terrain
20100313 03:40:01< VurtualRuler98> Like a ghost building
20100313 03:41:25< Spambit> Well I'm going to close this out to squeeze out 2 extra kb in my transfer rate
20100313 03:41:39< Spambit> See you all later.
20100313 03:41:40< VurtualRuler98> It doesn't even use that much
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20100313 03:53:00< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: It seems to me that a simple cheat engine would allow one to bypass the demo timer on PC
20100313 03:53:15< Gambit> Since they allow you to access and change different values in your memory.
20100313 03:53:37< Gambit> And you were right. Pidgin's influence on my transfer rate was nil
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20100313 03:55:33< shadowmaster> IRC only consumes as much as all messages sent and received do
20100313 03:56:33< shadowmaster> it's a plain-text protocol and there's not much extra information transferred to clients after registration and individual channel joins
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20100313 04:04:41< Hulavuta1> How do I use wmllint?
20100313 04:05:22< Gambit> You don't
20100313 04:05:27< Gambit> It requires a high level of magic.
20100313 04:05:31< Hulavuta1> ....
20100313 04:05:32< Gambit> And I am not being sarcastic.
20100313 04:05:35< Gambit> Seriously.
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20100313 04:05:55< Hulavuta1> The site says I need to use python
20100313 04:05:59< Hulavuta1> But I don't know how to do that
20100313 04:06:01< Gambit> It isn't even worth it on the off chance you get it working.
20100313 04:06:11< Hulavuta1> Why not?
20100313 04:06:14< Gambit> Except for upconverting pre 1.3 maps
20100313 04:06:34< Gambit> Because it takes longer to get the magic WML upgrader working than it does to manually fix the few syntax changes.
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20100313 04:06:54< shadowmaster> Gambit: for you
20100313 04:06:57< ancestral_> Scripting languges are fun
20100313 04:07:17 * ancestral_ likes Perl
20100313 04:07:37< Hulavuta1> Does anyone know how to work it?
20100313 04:07:41< shadowmaster> I love Perl
20100313 04:07:50< ancestral_> Yay!
20100313 04:08:02< shadowmaster> Hulavuta1: why not search "running Python" with Google?
20100313 04:08:16< Gambit> you have to download python
20100313 04:08:16< shadowmaster> or "running Python on Windows", since otherwise I doubt you'd be having problems
20100313 04:08:18< Gambit> and then install it
20100313 04:08:25< Gambit> and point WMLint at hte right directory
20100313 04:08:41< ancestral_> Python for Windows is a pretty easy install 
20100313 04:09:21< ancestral_> I installed that for modding Mount&Blade
20100313 04:09:34< Hulavuta1> I have it installed
20100313 04:09:45< ancestral_> Oh
20100313 04:09:45< Hulavuta1> But also, does anyone know why I'm Hulavuta"1"
20100313 04:10:00< ancestral_> Did you get disconnected?
20100313 04:10:00< shadowmaster> /nick Hulavuta
20100313 04:10:05< ancestral_> Like I did
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20100313 04:10:36< shadowmaster> notably, if you had registered your nick you'd be able to /msg nickserv ghost Foo  to solve that
20100313 04:10:38< Gambit> Anyone else like Warehouse13?
20100313 04:10:39< Hulavuta1> Yeah, I did
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20100313 04:37:48-!- Topic set by Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] [Fri Mar 12 17:04:31 2010]
20100313 04:37:48[Users #wesnoth]
20100313 04:37:48[ [NaL]          ] [ ettin     ] [ John_R      ] [ sacho_        ] 
20100313 04:37:48[ ancestral      ] [ Euthanatos] [ Kivi        ] [ sevis         ] 
20100313 04:37:48[ AnMaster       ] [ fendrin   ] [ law_        ] [ shadowmaster  ] 
20100313 04:37:48[ apoi           ] [ fkhodkov  ] [ lobby       ] [ shikadibot    ] 
20100313 04:37:48[ Appleman1234   ] [ G-Lo      ] [ lukjad86    ] [ Smar          ] 
20100313 04:37:48[ Becquerel      ] [ Gambit    ] [ MadMerlin   ] [ TaylorSwift   ] 
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20100313 04:37:48[ chains         ] [ harryBer  ] [ namad7      ] [ VurtualRuler98] 
20100313 04:37:48[ crimson_penguin] [ Hellrider ] [ Queenie_    ] [ wesbot        ] 
20100313 04:37:48[ DDR            ] [ isaac     ] [ retupmoca   ] [ Xjs|moonshine ] 
20100313 04:37:48[ Deformative    ] [ Ivanovic  ] [ Rhonda      ] [ Zerovirus     ] 
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20100313 04:37:48-!- Irssi: #wesnoth: Total of 51 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 51 normal]
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20100313 04:37:50< ancestral> Okay
20100313 04:37:51< Gambit> >_>
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20100313 04:37:55< Gambit> Now turn it back on
20100313 04:37:58< Gambit> "okay done!"
20100313 04:38:08-!- Channel #wesnoth created Sun Nov 26 07:42:43 2006
20100313 04:38:09< Zerovirus> wesbot?
20100313 04:38:11< Gambit> Turns out she was mistaking the monitor with the computer
20100313 04:38:16< Euthanatos> lol
20100313 04:38:24< Gambit> Zerovirus: It reacts to the exact phrase "was fast"
20100313 04:38:24< wesbot> Gambit: Sometimes we are fast
20100313 04:38:27< Zerovirus> Why have I never heard of this wesbot thing before.
20100313 04:38:34< Zerovirus> Erm. I see.
20100313 04:38:35< unimatrix0> main server is up!
20100313 04:38:36< Gambit> wesbot: hug Zerovirus
20100313 04:38:36 * wesbot hugs Zerovirus
20100313 04:38:41< Zerovirus> Who programmed it into the irc?
20100313 04:38:42< Blarumyrran> I used to have problems that could be solved with turning the monitor on and off repeatedly
20100313 04:38:44< Zerovirus> Yay hugs~
20100313 04:38:47< Zerovirus> :D
20100313 04:38:56< Blarumyrran> I also used to have problems that could be solved with shaking the monitor a lot.
20100313 04:39:02 * Gambit destroys shikadibot
20100313 04:39:02 * shikadibot respawns
20100313 04:39:05< Blarumyrran> (namely, when crt monitors wen all magenta)
20100313 04:39:06< Gambit> etc etc
20100313 04:39:10< Blarumyrran> went*
20100313 04:39:12-!- Irssi: Join to #wesnoth was synced in 91 secs
20100313 04:39:13< Gambit> But I'm not allowd to play with them much >_>
20100313 04:39:15< unimatrix0> main server is up, PARTY
20100313 04:39:18< Zerovirus> Okay whoa there are a lot of neat commands in IRC.
20100313 04:39:21< Zerovirus> It is? OMG
20100313 04:39:23< Zerovirus> forum time
20100313 04:39:37< Zerovirus> I need to learn how to use commands in IRC :S
20100313 04:40:04 * Gambit rubs shikadibot's tummy.
20100313 04:40:04< shikadibot> *prr*
20100313 04:40:33< Gambit> shikadibot: nriw?
20100313 04:40:34< shikadibot> NRIW: No Religion In Wesnoth
20100313 04:40:38< Gambit> Etc etc
20100313 04:40:48< Gambit> Google search "Shikadibot" and you can find her source code.
20100313 04:41:02< Zerovirus> like I'll be able to read that lol
20100313 04:41:09< Gambit> But don't play with her too much.
20100313 04:41:12< Gambit> She bits :o
20100313 04:41:15< Gambit> *bites
20100313 04:41:21< Zerovirus> example being?
20100313 04:41:37< Gambit> ? She goes "shikadibot bites Gambit"
20100313 04:42:02< Zerovirus> Right. Is that just a random thing, like once in a while or is there some trigger? (probably random it sounds like)
20100313 04:42:18< Gambit> Well I secretly think that it's shadowmaster making her do it
20100313 04:42:34< Zerovirus> >_>
20100313 04:42:36< Gambit> Because it doesn't make sense to have her randomly bite people that have bugged her recently.
20100313 04:42:45< Zerovirus> Tell that to the RNG.
20100313 04:42:56< Zerovirus> (Darn I was hoping that RNG would be a trigger too)
20100313 04:43:05< Gambit> shikadibot: rng?
20100313 04:43:05< shikadibot> RNG: Random Number Generator
20100313 04:43:25< Zerovirus> I feel so foolish.
20100313 04:43:39< ancestral> Ribo-Nucleic G…?
20100313 04:43:41< Zerovirus> But dang IRC is fun. I need to come here more often.
20100313 04:43:45< Gambit> She defines acronyms.
20100313 04:43:57< Gambit> shikadibot: GEB?
20100313 04:43:57< shikadibot> Sorry, I don't know what 'GEB' means...
20100313 04:44:05 * Gambit sniff.
20100313 04:44:13< ancestral> Hehe
20100313 04:44:16< Zerovirus> Okay for some reason my brain filled that in as Ribonucleic Garuda. Garuda doesn't even fit wth. My brain is screwed up.
20100313 04:44:17< ancestral> It means
20100313 04:44:31< ancestral> Great Empty Bag!
20100313 04:44:35< ancestral> Yeah
20100313 04:44:54< DDR> Generals Eat Beaf
20100313 04:45:02< ancestral> I like that one
20100313 04:45:04< Gambit> shikadibot: ddr?
20100313 04:45:04< shikadibot> DDR: Double Data Rate
20100313 04:45:08< Gambit> :O
20100313 04:45:11< Gambit> That's right!
20100313 04:45:13< Zerovirus> WHoa
20100313 04:45:17< Gambit> My ram is DDR2
20100313 04:45:23< ancestral> Dance Dance Revolution
20100313 04:45:29< Zerovirus> Yeah I'm quoting you on that Gambit.
20100313 04:45:30< Gambit> I wanted to upgrade to 12gb DDR3 over the summer but I lost my job :(
20100313 04:45:36< Zerovirus> Your ram is forever in my sig now :P
20100313 04:45:40 * ancestral has DDR3 :-p
20100313 04:45:44< Gambit> Or you know, until you change it :P
20100313 04:45:59< chains> wesnoth is back =p
20100313 04:45:59< DDR> 12 gb is, pretty much, 6-8gb more that you need.
20100313 04:46:02< Zerovirus> I change my sig like once every half a year, it'll be there :P
20100313 04:46:02< ancestral> DDR is TTD king BTW
20100313 04:46:13< DDR> The hit ratio goes down after 4gb.
20100313 04:46:15< Gambit> shikadibot: ttd?
20100313 04:46:15< shikadibot> Sorry, I don't know what 'ttd' means...
20100313 04:46:20< DDR> To next to nothing.
20100313 04:46:36< Gambit> ancestral: ttd?
20100313 04:46:45< ancestral> OpenTTD
20100313 04:46:58< ancestral> Transit Tycoon Deluxe
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20100313 04:47:17< ancestral> Clearly none of you frequent #wesnoth-music 
20100313 04:47:20< ancestral> :P 
20100313 04:47:23< Zerovirus> Wow I'm interpreting everything you guys say as DDR.
20100313 04:47:39< Gambit> Zerovirus: besides I don't see the harm in quoting me saying that my ram is double data rate 2
20100313 04:47:43< Zerovirus> Gambit's hit percent goes down after he exceeds 4gb!
20100313 04:47:48< Gambit> What is double data rate 2 btw some computer savvy person?
20100313 04:47:55< Gambit> is it quadruple data rate?
20100313 04:48:06< Zerovirus> Gambit: I don't know it's just funny to such a non-computer savvy person like me.
20100313 04:48:14< Gambit> And is DDR3 technicall 6x the data rate, or 2^3?
20100313 04:48:14< ancestral> It has to do with timing
20100313 04:48:32 * Gambit knows squat about hardware
20100313 04:48:34< ancestral> hmm, I'm not too sure about that
20100313 04:48:47< chains> ddr2 and 3 is marketing speak for "faster" 
20100313 04:48:59< ancestral> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR
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20100313 04:49:46< Gambit> so it's 2^3
20100313 04:49:55< Zerovirus> Ugh don't throw exponents at me
20100313 04:49:58< Gambit> each number on DDR means it's twice as fast as the prior.
20100313 04:50:02< Zerovirus> I failed todays' alg quiz :s
20100313 04:50:24< chains> ddr and ddr2 were the same speed for a very very long time =) 
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20100313 04:51:17< Gambit> No. *I* am Gooicus!
20100313 04:51:28< Gambit> shikadibot: shikadibot?
20100313 04:51:28< shikadibot> Gambit: *I* am shikadibot!
20100313 04:51:29< chains> I must admit, I got bored of keeping up with the constant marketing of crap, so I don't know anything about DDR 3 =) 
20100313 04:51:33< Gambit> lol!
20100313 04:52:51< Gambit> Will the real shikadibot please stand up.
20100313 04:52:55< DDR> Wise man. :) Look up hit ratios before you buy anything with ram in it, by the way.
20100313 04:52:59< DDR> Tip of the day.
20100313 04:53:11 * DDR stands
20100313 04:53:29< Gambit> my ram has 20% ctbh on forest >->
20100313 04:53:58< Zerovirus> Wait what is that supposed to mean again?
20100313 04:54:16< Zerovirus> How did you get 80% dodge out of your ram of all things?
20100313 04:54:35< Gambit> WML is all powerful
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20100313 04:54:57< Gambit> How do you think Bob_the_might ascended?
20100313 04:55:18< Gambit> to a higher plane of existence
20100313 04:55:20< Zerovirus> Oh yeah, I read that little comic a while back in the wiki somewhere.
20100313 04:55:27< Zerovirus> Ha didn't expect me to know that joke didja
20100313 04:55:28< Zerovirus> :P
20100313 04:55:29< Gambit> what?!
20100313 04:55:38< Gambit> What comic?
20100313 04:55:46< ancestral> WML: Where's My Lunch
20100313 04:55:50< Zerovirus> Erm. I have no idea how to link to it.
20100313 04:55:58< Zerovirus> WML: Wasting My Life.
20100313 04:56:10< Zerovirus> WML on WML. Wasting My Life On Wesnoth Markup Language.
20100313 04:56:37< Zerovirus> Anywayyysss, I don't know where it is because I just randomly found it going through the graphics archive was it?
20100313 04:56:43< Zerovirus> Hang on I'll see if I can dig it up :s
20100313 04:57:39< DDR> The creator of Where's My Lunch is also the proud father of F*** My Life and ... what goes with FFL?
20100313 04:57:48< Zerovirus> Oho.
20100313 04:57:50< Zerovirus> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/The_WML_Wizard_1
20100313 04:57:56< Zerovirus> I do believe this was it.
20100313 04:58:55< Gambit> ha that is funny
20100313 04:59:52< Zerovirus> Don't tell me you've never read that before? :O
20100313 05:00:01< Gambit> Sorry. Never seen it.
20100313 05:00:26< Zerovirus> :O I knew something that Gambit didn't
20100313 05:00:31< Zerovirus> Well before I shared it with him :P
20100313 05:00:48< Gambit> Zerovirus: You know a lot of things I don't.
20100313 05:00:53< Zerovirus> I do wonder what would have happened if the RNG had made him miss though.
20100313 05:00:56< Gambit> Zerovirus: Your mother's maiden name
20100313 05:01:00< Gambit> Zerovirus: How to draw :o
20100313 05:01:15< Gambit> RNG was not a factor
20100313 05:01:22< Gambit> The part he didn't tell everyone
20100313 05:01:26< Zerovirus> Gambit: Correction. Computer-related info and Random Wesnoth Lore.
20100313 05:01:33< Gambit> was that he also learned about the force chance to hit macro ;)
20100313 05:01:42< Gambit> It's a dark and ancient magic
20100313 05:01:56< Zerovirus> Gambit: See what I mean? That there was combined wesnoth lore and computer savvy.
20100313 05:01:56< Gambit> all who learn it are magically bound to secrecy
20100313 05:02:12< Zerovirus> So how does anyone learn it in the first place?
20100313 05:03:00< Gambit> Well see it doesn't affect people who only learn *of* it 
20100313 05:03:10< Gambit> Like the great magician Gambit
20100313 05:03:15< Gambit> So he can tell other people
20100313 05:03:40< Zerovirus> But couldn't one make a macro to allow one to tell others about this force RNG macro?
20100313 05:03:41< Zerovirus> :O
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20100313 05:06:05< Gambit> night 'noth
20100313 05:06:18< Gambit> [kill]id=Gambit[/kill]
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20100313 05:07:12< DDR> Aw, should have stored himself. Now we'll never see him again.
20100313 05:07:59< Zerovirus> My impeccable logic has caused him to flee in shame. Or something. :P
20100313 05:08:08< Zerovirus> Unfortunately I'm probably leaving soon too -yawn-
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20100313 10:58:55< Ivanovic> moin
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20100313 12:07:20< frode> Where do you guys download Delfador's Meomoirs from? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
20100313 12:08:18< Ivanovic> it is included in 1.7.14
20100313 12:08:25< Ivanovic> that is: in the 1.7.x series
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20100313 12:09:52< frode> Ok, thanks. I just noticed it's on the addon server under 1.5 as well.
20100313 12:10:16< Ivanovic> don't trust in 1.5.x addons being usable with 1.6
20100313 12:10:37< Ivanovic> and if you are using the dev versions anyway (yes, you really should consider it for singleplayer campaign gaming!)
20100313 12:10:47< Ivanovic> then you are perfectly fine with the version shipped
20100313 12:11:36< frode> Ok, I'll have a go at the dev version then. Thank you!
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20100313 13:54:53< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: around?
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20100313 15:35:33< Hulavuta> Hiya
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20100313 15:56:01< MikeJB> Here's a case of Vista intelligence: every time you plug in a USB device (whether it's a video camera or a random flash drive) that's over 4 GB, it'll automatically ask to sync with Windows Media Player.
20100313 15:56:35< MikeJB> If you click Finish, it will start copying over music, and then ask you to delete the non-music contents (aka. the videos from the camera you wanted) when it fills up. If you click Cancel, it will *keep* coming up every time you plug in a device with storage > 4 GB...
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20100313 15:57:16< MikeJB> Unless you google and permanently disable an obscure service.
20100313 15:57:39< Blarumyrran> Why do you use vista then
20100313 15:57:41< MikeJB> The catch? if you have iPod/iTunes like 90% of people with MP3 players, the *one* legitimate use of having a music sync for devices > 4 GB is eliminated.
20100313 15:58:08< MikeJB> Unless, of course you like to have all your music on all your flash drives for some odd reason
20100313 15:58:20< MikeJB> Perhaps to be a pirate or something ;P
20100313 15:58:46< MikeJB> Blarumyrran: I don't use Vista on a regular basis. I had to do something on my mom's Vista computer, and the annoyance was obvious. It's come up multiple times before.
20100313 15:59:20< MikeJB> The problem with Windows (Vista especially) is that people learn to tolerate it by using it on a daily basis. Use something else and it's the most frustrating experience in the world.
20100313 15:59:31< Blarumyrran> I've heard windows vista (presumably 7 too?) uses usb devices automatically for swap space
20100313 15:59:36< Blarumyrran> which sounds kind of cool
20100313 16:00:41< Ivanovic> which sounds *really* bad
20100313 16:00:52< Ivanovic> due to the life time of flashmemory!
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20100313 16:01:53< Blarumyrran> Ivanovic, hm? Its lifetime is as long as it's connected to the computer & it gets power from there I assume?
20100313 16:02:07< Ivanovic> no
20100313 16:02:19< Ivanovic> write access to flash memory will eventually damage the memory cells
20100313 16:02:31< Ivanovic> that is: the cells only allow a limited amount of write accesses
20100313 16:02:55< Ivanovic> (this is the case for the commonly used "cheap" memory in flash devices like sdcards and usb sticks)
20100313 16:03:45< MikeJB> No! Not SD cards! :(
20100313 16:04:10< Ivanovic> if you start to think about integrated memory of eg music players it gets *really* bad
20100313 16:04:19< Ivanovic> since you can easily change sd cards once they are broken
20100313 16:04:23< Ivanovic> but what about internal nand?
20100313 16:04:39< MikeJB> Ivanovic: Even iPods with hard drives don't have good lives.
20100313 16:04:42< Ivanovic> once that is too broken you can only throw the device into the wastebin
20100313 16:04:59< MikeJB> Apple intends you to think of the iPod as a disposable commodity, so you buy the new version every few years.
20100313 16:05:13< MikeJB> Worked on my sister. Her (classic) iPod breaks and what does she do? Gets an iPhone.
20100313 16:05:32< MikeJB> Unfortunately, no one gives a damn about devices lasting long term
20100313 16:05:50< Ivanovic> with mobile phones it is even worse
20100313 16:06:11< Ivanovic> they do use oled displays which they *know* will age and be useless in some three years (burn in effect!)
20100313 16:06:23< Blarumyrran> wut
20100313 16:06:24< MikeJB> only the blue hue :P
20100313 16:06:38< Blarumyrran> I used the same phone for some 7 years
20100313 16:06:44< MikeJB> but don't worry, at the pace of development, today's phones will be dinosaurs in 3 years
20100313 16:06:47< Blarumyrran> Only battery suffered, not screen
20100313 16:06:53< MikeJB> Blarumyrran: The older the phone, they longer they last.
20100313 16:07:02< MikeJB> Newer features shorten life and reliablity, and the cases are cheaper too
20100313 16:07:09< Ivanovic> that is: eventually you will see a shadow of the normal "hud" like battery/network status
20100313 16:07:25< Blarumyrran> Oh I've heard that
20100313 16:07:30< Blarumyrran> About computers too
20100313 16:07:31< Ivanovic> so even if you just display a completely white screen you will see the shadow (aka burn in) of those
20100313 16:07:31< MikeJB> My mom used an old "soap" phone that was only good at being a phone (entirely skipping the flip-phone evolution of phones)
20100313 16:07:38< MikeJB> for maybe 5-7 years before the battery really died.
20100313 16:08:12< MikeJB> oh, and OLED are pretty new features
20100313 16:08:26< Ivanovic> yes, oled is pretty new
20100313 16:08:33< Ivanovic> and the main flaw is the life time of the displays
20100313 16:08:38< Ivanovic> sure, colors are *really* great
20100313 16:08:43< MikeJB> only really some expensive phones from '09 onwards have that.
20100313 16:09:00< MikeJB> the catch is that it's mostly the expensive ones, the ones you'd think would last :P
20100313 16:09:36< MikeJB> Ivanovic: The main issue with OLED only lasting 3 years is that the phone industry doesn't care. You will be eligible for upgrade in 18 months to 3 years anyway... Why would you use the same phone? :P
20100313 16:10:29< MikeJB> Is it any coincidence that most phones will barely last 2 years and most phones come with a 2 year contract? :P
20100313 16:10:30< Ivanovic> MikeJB: they care if it takes less than eg the 2years they have to provide as "warranty" in germany
20100313 16:10:49< MikeJB> Yep, there you go.
20100313 16:11:08< MikeJB> Both US and Germany have incentives, though slightly different, to have them last 2 years, but not really caring after that
20100313 16:12:29< Ivanovic> and hey, the two years in germany (okay, 100% for 6 months, the rest you have to proof that the fault was there when buying the device, which is rather easy with a tech that is known to have such an issue ;) ) are a lot more than the common 90days or the like the US offer
20100313 16:13:01< MikeJB> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence
20100313 16:13:58< MikeJB> Ivanovic: but i'm referring to the common practice of "subsidizing" phones... In other words, an excuse to charge 2x extra a month and greatly mark up the value to buy unlocked.
20100313 16:14:18< Ivanovic> :)
20100313 16:14:45< MikeJB> In theory, they take a $500 phone and provide it to you for around $100 and you pay it back over a 2-year lock-in contract, but if your 2 years run out or if you bring an unlocked phone, you're going to pay the same fee on every network but the #4 T-Mobile
20100313 16:15:01< MikeJB> Which means that it's really just a scam to get you to pay $1000s more over the life of the phone to save a perceived $400
20100313 16:15:06< MikeJB> In other words, American consumers are stupid.
20100313 16:15:18< Ivanovic> and where is the news?
20100313 16:15:20< Ivanovic> ;)
20100313 16:15:28< Ivanovic> that is: german consumers are not too smart either
20100313 16:15:33< MikeJB> Take a $250 phone, say it's really a $500 phone, then offer it for $100 and suddenly it's savings of $400
20100313 16:15:42< Blarumyrran> MikeJB, you aren't a consumer, are you? :o
20100313 16:15:47< MikeJB> And then you'll pay $1000s more because of it.
20100313 16:15:57< Ivanovic> though in germany it is basically a case of: if you add the amount you have to pay fixed per month you basically reach the price of the phone
20100313 16:16:07< Ivanovic> (if bought from an "external" shop)
20100313 16:16:20< Ivanovic> the contract itself has rather high prices per minuite and for sms
20100313 16:16:36< Ivanovic> though often something like "100mins per month" are included or the likes
20100313 16:17:33< MikeJB> As far as I can tell, (1) because you don't get a discount per month for unlocked or finished paying (except from the #4 provider, T-Mobile), (2) because they overly inflate the original "unlocked" price, (3) because they often include rebates that no one mails in, and (4) because they charge way too much anyway all factors taken into account...
20100313 16:17:43< MikeJB> It's just a damn rip-off.
20100313 16:18:05< MikeJB> Why can't Google just go buy out everyone and take all my personal information in exchange for free services and a few ads?
20100313 16:18:09< MikeJB> It's better than what's going on right now.
20100313 16:19:10< MikeJB> Blarumyrran: Assuming a free market, the consumer in general has to be a moron for the stupid deals to win out over the genuinely good deals. so even though not everyone who purchases something out of compulsion is a moron, the consumer in general is a moron for causing a bad business model to dominate.
20100313 16:19:35< Blarumyrran> how was that an answer
20100313 16:20:05< MikeJB> Blarumyrran: Because American politicians and businessmen like to give nonanswers in the media, it must rub off on the rest of us.
20100313 16:22:31< Blarumyrran> One of the most disturbing thing about American politicians for me is the way they smile
20100313 16:22:53< Blarumyrran> It's like they had surgeries and trained their whole life for that really creepy smile - all of them
20100313 16:23:00< MikeJB> Especially the women.
20100313 16:23:08< Blarumyrran> yeah
20100313 16:23:29< MikeJB> I'm convinced that the alien invasion has already happened... and they won.
20100313 16:24:06< Blarumyrran> read today's smbc, have you?
20100313 16:24:45< MikeJB> Damn it.
20100313 16:25:01< Blarumyrran> :P
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20100313 16:30:33< Zerovirus> Aaand you're back Gambit.
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20100313 16:30:45< Gambit> Hi
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20100313 16:31:34< Zerovirus> I hate it when the art workshop is as dead as today.
20100313 16:31:57< Gambit> Seems like a little thing... that you hate. ;)
20100313 16:32:25< Blarumyrran> Most of it is only frankensteins anyway.
20100313 16:32:30< Zerovirus> Exactly.
20100313 16:32:41< Blarumyrran> Exactly? Why do you hate it then?
20100313 16:32:46< Zerovirus> There's not enough artists producing custom content.
20100313 16:32:52< Gambit> Frakensteining > Nil?
20100313 16:32:59< Zerovirus> But just barely imo.
20100313 16:33:04< Gambit> +1 for Zerovirus's last statement.
20100313 16:33:06< MikeJB> Idk, if the forum has a bad reputation, why go there at all?
20100313 16:33:23< Gambit> Darnit he made another statement before I got the +1 in >_>
20100313 16:33:28< Zerovirus> It doesn't. It's just that... Well... Guh let me compose my thoughts for a moment
20100313 16:33:30< Zerovirus> :P
20100313 16:33:33< MikeJB> If there's no useful purpose for my work-in-progress Thunderstone sprites to go on the forums, they're not being seen until they're passable :P
20100313 16:33:37 * Gambit is ninja'd.
20100313 16:33:47< Zerovirus> WIP sprites?
20100313 16:33:53< Zerovirus> Darn you stop tempting my curiosity
20100313 16:34:02< MikeJB> Gambit: I'd +1 Zerovirus's comment it looked like you +1'd
20100313 16:34:13< MikeJB> Bad Frakensteins are bad.
20100313 16:34:20< Gambit> Well Zero I could make another IMMAH FIRIN MAH LAZAH White mage if you want.
20100313 16:34:24< Zerovirus> Well, I guess part of the reason why I go there is to try to fix the flood of bad sprites.
20100313 16:34:30< Gambit> That'd make the art workshop... undead
20100313 16:34:32< MikeJB> Some art threads are so bad I want my time back
20100313 16:34:34< Zerovirus> Shoop da whoop mage? I approve of this.
20100313 16:34:48< Gambit> I did it before, but TSI moved it to off-topic :(
20100313 16:35:00< Zerovirus> Ah that joker.
20100313 16:35:02< Gambit> It wasn't anymore off topic than the multihex soda can monster.
20100313 16:35:07< Zerovirus> The what?
20100313 16:35:14< Zerovirus> See I told you you know more weslore than I do :P
20100313 16:35:49< Gambit> iirc someone said we needed multihex units. Then someone said there's no art for them. So person 1 uploads a picture of a soda can with a hex overlay :P
20100313 16:36:32< Gambit> And I lost my shoop da whoop mage in a computer wipe in which My Pictures was not backed up properly.
20100313 16:36:39< Gambit> It was a great first post ;)
20100313 16:36:53< Zerovirus> Oh yeah that one.
20100313 16:36:57< Gambit> The begining of a long, slightly spamish, career.
20100313 16:37:01< Zerovirus> I remember being bored and seeing that somewhere in the workshop.
20100313 16:41:23< Gambit> Now IRC is dead D:
20100313 16:42:16< Zerovirus> Lol sorry
20100313 16:42:22< Zerovirus> I'm doing a sprite tutorial for artisticdude :P
20100313 16:46:46< Gambit> Artisticdude has big ideas.
20100313 16:49:19 * Gambit doesn't understand this pillow shading thing.
20100313 16:49:39< Gambit> My pillow is clearly shaded correctly
20100313 16:50:58< Zerovirus> lol
20100313 16:51:03< Zerovirus> Finally finished the post.
20100313 16:51:21< Zerovirus> Took me way too long to do a simple pillowshading! I don't know how to pillow anymore, kinda sad :P
20100313 16:52:51< Gambit> Zerovirus: What if you had to make a pillowmonster sprite!
20100313 16:53:05< Gambit> What would you do.
20100313 16:53:09< Zerovirus> Gambit: Is this a challenge?
20100313 16:53:16< Zerovirus> Because I will gladly do it I'm so bored :D
20100313 16:53:22< Gambit> Yes!
20100313 16:53:46< Zerovirus> Oookay. So a monster made from... Pillows? Or just a really really badly pillowshaded monster? Or both combined? :P
20100313 16:54:13< Gambit> http://cyclingwives.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/stay-puft-marshmallow-man.jpg
20100313 16:54:45< Zerovirus> OH GOD THE HORROR
20100313 16:54:59< Zerovirus> Okay. Let's see how long this'll take. Without texture I doubt it'll be more than an hour :D
20100313 16:59:26< Zerovirus> Whoo go circle tool go!
20100313 16:59:41< Zerovirus> Oh my god the lineart for this guy scares me.
20100313 17:05:17< Gambit> heh
20100313 17:06:25< Gambit> Of course the one time someone actually fullfills a sprite request would be a joke :P
20100313 17:06:49< Gambit> I'll have to put this guy in GEB 4.0
20100313 17:08:50< Zerovirus> Whoo go bucketfill go!
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20100313 17:09:05< Zerovirus> Seriously this sprite scares me
20100313 17:09:15< Zerovirus> He'll be in my dreams fighting my avatar and my wolfheart sprite.
20100313 17:09:45< Gambit> This might give me a reason to add that cheatcode feature
20100313 17:09:59< Gambit> All the codes I had planned were 8 characters iirc
20100313 17:10:02< Gambit> STAYPUFT
20100313 17:10:16< Gambit> But it can't look exactly like that for copyright issues
20100313 17:10:23< Gambit> So it's a pillow monster or marshmallows?
20100313 17:10:24< Zerovirus> Oh of course :P
20100313 17:10:27< Zerovirus> He's very very different
20100313 17:10:46< Gambit> STAYPUFT will still be the code for it because it will be an in joke to this conversation :P
20100313 17:11:17< Zerovirus> Did I mention he's also multihex huge.
20100313 17:11:27< Zerovirus> Like bigger than Eternal's epic dragon.
20100313 17:11:30< Zerovirus> lol.
20100313 17:11:37< Gambit> AWESOME!
20100313 17:11:42< Zerovirus> give him epic stats. And whatever the necrophage has... Feeding was it?
20100313 17:11:46< Zerovirus> Give him Feeding. Fits him.
20100313 17:11:55< Zerovirus> about 40% done right now
20100313 17:12:04< Gambit> Most of the codes were jokes and references. HOUSEMAN, IAMSTEVE, COWLEVEL, and soon STAYPUFT :P
20100313 17:12:28< Zerovirus> lol there is no cow level
20100313 17:12:32< Gambit> :P
20100313 17:12:34< Zerovirus> What does it do, summon an army of cows?
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20100313 17:13:11< Gambit> In reference to diablo, it summons various flaming things
20100313 17:13:13< SekoIdiootti> Stevie kissed the turnip. The turnip didn't say yes.
20100313 17:13:32< Zerovirus> And I don't know where HOUSEMAN is from.
20100313 17:14:03< Gambit> The first bug that was ever found in GEB's first public release was a typo.
20100313 17:14:14< Zerovirus> Herp I forgot one of his toes.
20100313 17:14:16< Gambit> "Recruit a houseman."
20100313 17:14:23< Zerovirus> Lol his toes are the size of the elvish shaman's head.
20100313 17:14:28< Gambit> :o
20100313 17:14:29< SekoIdiootti> lol, that's awesome! XD
20100313 17:14:32< Zerovirus> lol yeah
20100313 17:14:34< Zerovirus> This will be interesting
20100313 17:14:44< Zerovirus> Well at least his biggest toe is
20100313 17:14:47< Zerovirus> Perspective ftw
20100313 17:15:14< Gambit> Then there were the 7 character utility/weather codes. DOGDAYS, ICEBERG, NOCODES, PINESOL
20100313 17:15:27< Gambit> The files are actually there for the cheat codes, they're just disabled and outdated.
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20100313 17:16:12< Zerovirus> Ah.
20100313 17:16:22< Zerovirus> This guy's like a fusion of the staypuft man and a sumo wrestler.
20100313 17:16:35< Zerovirus> You'll see the belly once I'm done.
20100313 17:16:40< Gambit> haha
20100313 17:17:48< Zerovirus> Also this guy's pallete is epic. One of my best custom palletes to date.
20100313 17:19:10< Zerovirus> Man I am cracking up here imagining what you're going to say once I finish it. On that note, how do I post images here?
20100313 17:20:01< Gambit> You can't upload. "IRC is a plaintext protocol"
20100313 17:20:07< Gambit> but you could upload to a third party and link.
20100313 17:20:08< zookeeper> use imagebin
20100313 17:21:43< Zerovirus> Also, he has no fingers. Why would he need fingers? "bodyslam 999-1"
20100313 17:21:54< Zerovirus> (I'm too lazy for fingers :P)
20100313 17:22:05< Gambit> Now I have a reason to update GEB :P
20100313 17:22:15< Gambit> zookeeper: Can [side]
20100313 17:22:20< Gambit> 's be added in events?
20100313 17:23:19< Zerovirus> Is zookeeper online?
20100313 17:23:29< Zerovirus> Yes yes he is.
20100313 17:23:48< Gambit> He just talked :P
20100313 17:24:04< Zerovirus> derrppp
20100313 17:24:08< Zerovirus> And finished.
20100313 17:24:12< Zerovirus> No TC but I doubt he will need that.
20100313 17:24:18< Zerovirus> Just need to add a shadow and then transparentize.
20100313 17:24:22< Gambit> We'll I'm wondering if I should make it AI, or give it to the player who used the code.
20100313 17:24:37< Gambit> But because GEB can be played on any map, I never know how many sides there will be.
20100313 17:26:30< Zerovirus> Whatever man. Transparentizing as we speak :P I'll post it in my thread on Wesnoth.
20100313 17:26:35< Gambit> You won't send me on a goose chase all over the internet for this one right?
20100313 17:26:39< Gambit> Oh good. :)
20100313 17:27:05< Zerovirus> :P Not this time.
20100313 17:27:10< Zerovirus> Oh wait no one last detail just for the lols
20100313 17:27:16< Zerovirus> sorry you have to wait I just have to do this
20100313 17:27:18< Zerovirus> :D
20100313 17:30:31 * Gambit wonders.
20100313 17:30:39 * Gambit wanders too.
20100313 17:30:47< Zerovirus> Almost done sorry :P
20100313 17:32:43< Zerovirus> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=26185&p=414893#p414893
20100313 17:32:46< Zerovirus> Finished.
20100313 17:32:50< Zerovirus> Now to wait for response.
20100313 17:33:00 * Gambit viciously attacks thread
20100313 17:33:07< Gambit> oh that is cool
20100313 17:33:22< Zerovirus> :P
20100313 17:33:27< Zerovirus> He wuvs you
20100313 17:33:40< Zerovirus> And he can hug 999-1 marksman.
20100313 17:33:41< Gambit> Um I'm going to have to mirror him to face right.
20100313 17:33:46< Zerovirus> Okay sure.
20100313 17:34:24< Zerovirus> He looks like he's hiding a bouquet behind his back to give to you because he loves you so much =3
20100313 17:34:38< Gambit> XD
20100313 17:34:46< Gambit> If he hugs 999-1 marksman
20100313 17:34:51< Gambit> He's got to be massively weak to something
20100313 17:35:02< Zerovirus> He's massively weak to... Uh.
20100313 17:35:05< Gambit> Balloon :o weak to pierce?
20100313 17:35:06< Zerovirus> Epic resistance to impact
20100313 17:35:14< Zerovirus> because he just sucks in the maces and whatever
20100313 17:35:15< Gambit> Oh I know!
20100313 17:35:22< Zerovirus> What?
20100313 17:35:22< Gambit> I'll give him 10k hp
20100313 17:35:26< Gambit> and 999-1 marksman hug
20100313 17:35:32< Zerovirus> And like 5000% weakness to a certain attack type?
20100313 17:35:32< Gambit> but uber low resist to everything :P
20100313 17:35:32< Zerovirus> :P
20100313 17:35:35< Gambit> hahaha
20100313 17:35:41< Gambit> except cold
20100313 17:35:44< Gambit> because hugging > cold
20100313 17:35:48< Zerovirus> Except impact, he has 100% resist to impact
20100313 17:36:38< Zerovirus> Or you could make him nearinvulnerable, give him 1 mp and only the ability to move on flat, and make the only way to kill him is with poison until he's down to 1 hp and then hit him with any weapon :P
20100313 17:38:02< Gambit> rofl
20100313 17:38:54< Zerovirus> Because even 100% resist to everything only means that any attack will hit for 1 damage right?
20100313 17:39:05< Zerovirus> And you'd have to keep running away as he tries to hug-asphyxiate your leader to death :D
20100313 17:39:14< Gambit> yep
20100313 17:39:35< Gambit> or I could give him 20hp and 100% resist to everything :P
20100313 17:39:35< Zerovirus> Ooh I know, when the player summons it have a cutscene with it going "WANT HUGS :D <playername> HUG ME??? :D"
20100313 17:39:46< Gambit> But I'm more inclined to do uber hp and massive weaknesses
20100313 17:39:48< Zerovirus> And have the cutscenes with the emotes.
20100313 17:39:51< Zerovirus> :P
20100313 17:40:20< Gambit> Of course all the player needs is a battleship with 20 cannons
20100313 17:40:43< Gambit> And for all 20 to hit
20100313 17:40:58< Zerovirus> Eh, if he's too overpowered the cheat breaks the game. But then it's a cheat so it's probably supposed to be gamebreaking in the first place.
20100313 17:41:27< Gambit> or he could be the first wesnoth unit with healthbars!
20100313 17:41:33< Gambit> xP
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20100313 17:41:42< Gambit> note plurality.
20100313 17:41:49< Zerovirus> Oh.
20100313 17:41:55< Zerovirus> Because I was like "I dun get it"
20100313 17:42:06< Zerovirus> Wait you can have multibars on a unit with WML wizardry?
20100313 17:42:46< Gambit> I think I can fake it through a combination of unit variables and overlays
20100313 17:43:14< Zerovirus> Sounds complex. Reminds me of doing custom menus in RM2k3.
20100313 17:43:30< Gambit> WML allows you to overlay an image over a unit
20100313 17:43:36< Gambit> so if I take a pic of the healthbar
20100313 17:43:45< Gambit> and put 3 of them side by side to the right of the *actual* healthbar
20100313 17:43:58< Gambit> and then the first time he dies I replace that with a pic of just 2 healthbars next to the real one
20100313 17:44:01< Zerovirus> Yeah and then you have to link a variable to the unit's health to change the images at certain health points right?
20100313 17:44:06< Gambit> and then the second time he dies there is only one next to the real one
20100313 17:44:07< Zerovirus> Oh, just dying?
20100313 17:44:16< Gambit> and then the third time will just be the real bar
20100313 17:44:27< Gambit> Well it won't actually look like he's dying ot the play
20100313 17:44:35< Gambit> a last breath event will refill the real hp bar :P
20100313 17:44:49< Zerovirus> But would the secondary and tertiary health bar work just the same as the normal one? You'd need to link up points on the healthbar to changing images... Too complex for me XD
20100313 17:45:00< Gambit> And I can give him fancier attacks the lower he gets on bars
20100313 17:45:34< Zerovirus> Okay so in the beginning let's say 20-1 slam impact.
20100313 17:45:45< Gambit> The final bar will give him 30-3 "Blowing Kisses" 
20100313 17:45:46< Gambit> ha
20100313 17:45:48< Zerovirus> And then at second death he gets 80-1 Absorb impact feeding.
20100313 17:45:56< Zerovirus> Final bar gives him ranged attack of kisses! Great idea!
20100313 17:46:09< Zerovirus> Also the final bar's melee attack is Hug 999-1 Marksman Feeding.
20100313 17:46:10< Zerovirus> :P
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20100313 17:46:26< Gambit> man now I *really* don't want to work on this homework I have
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20100313 17:46:40< Zerovirus> lol all I have is algebra which isn't even due the day we go back to school.
20100313 17:50:06 * Gambit isn't sure how extra large unit images work
20100313 17:50:15< Gambit> I assume it won't cut it at the hex...
20100313 17:50:25< Gambit> Or maybe there is some attribute I have to set to guarentee that
20100313 17:50:40< Zerovirus> Ask one of the many devs here?
20100313 17:50:42< Gambit> I've seen animated units that are larger than hexes get trimmed at the borders...
20100313 17:51:30< Zerovirus> Maybe take a look at the Drakes' CFG, especially the Arbiter or Thrasher.
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20100313 17:59:45< Zerovirus> shikadibot: UMC
20100313 17:59:46 * shikadibot is offended
20100313 17:59:50< Zerovirus> Whu.
20100313 18:01:46< Gambit> ha
20100313 18:01:51< Gambit> shikadibot: UMC?
20100313 18:01:51< shikadibot> UMC: User-Made Content (including, but not limited to Campaigns)
20100313 18:04:57< Zerovirus> So I just got the randomized short end of the stick apparently? :/
20100313 18:05:13< Zerovirus> Or I don't know how to use syntax that the bot can read :P
20100313 18:07:48< Gambit> It isn't random.
20100313 18:08:09< Gambit> There is proper syntax. Word definition requires a question mark.
20100313 18:08:53< Gambit> shikadibot: Zerovirus?
20100313 18:08:53< shikadibot> Sorry, I don't know what 'Zerovirus' means...
20100313 18:08:57< Gambit> See?
20100313 18:09:00< Zerovirus> shikadibot: IftU?
20100313 18:09:00< shikadibot> IftU: Invasion from the Unknown
20100313 18:09:17< Zerovirus> Okay.
20100313 18:09:21< Gambit> I think the "is offended" response is from all caps
20100313 18:09:26< Gambit> shikdabit: IHATEYOU
20100313 18:09:36< Zerovirus> I wonder how many I can ask before she bites me. =3
20100313 18:09:37< Gambit> It helps if you spell her name right btw XD
20100313 18:09:42< Gambit> shikadibot: IHATEYOU
20100313 18:09:42 * shikadibot is offended
20100313 18:09:48< Zerovirus> shikdabit lol
20100313 18:10:17< Gambit> spaces don't matter for the "is offended" response. Just tested in private.
20100313 18:11:00< Gambit> shikadibot: hug Zerovirus
20100313 18:11:00 * shikadibot hugs Zerovirus
20100313 18:11:03< Gambit> shikadibot: thanks
20100313 18:11:03< shikadibot> Gambit: No problem.
20100313 18:11:14< Zerovirus> Yay =3
20100313 18:11:21< Zerovirus> I'm having urges to sprite this conversation.
20100313 18:11:30< Gambit> Dude make a shikadibot sprite!
20100313 18:11:35< Zerovirus> I wonder what Shikadibot would look like in anthro-moe form.
20100313 18:11:37< Zerovirus> :P
20100313 18:11:48< Gambit> a robotic lady bug
20100313 18:11:58< Gambit> with a dictionary.
20100313 18:12:06< Gambit> and big teeth
20100313 18:12:20< Zerovirus> Really? :P I think I'll do a bit more anthromorphism of that.
20100313 18:12:41< Gambit> All of shikadibot's serious commands work in private chat with /msg shikadibot insert_message_here
20100313 18:12:46< Zerovirus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moe_anthropomorphism
20100313 18:12:53< Zerovirus> I want to but I know it's not the best idea :P
20100313 18:13:15 * Gambit is offended
20100313 18:13:37< Zerovirus> lol
20100313 18:13:46< Zerovirus> That's the general effect I intended yes
20100313 18:13:52< Gambit> Shadowma would kill you for anime-inizing his dearly beloved.
20100313 18:14:45< Zerovirus> lol yes that's the other effect I intended
20100313 18:15:08< Gambit> :P
20100313 18:15:13< Zerovirus> So I'll just have my GF do it instead :P She loves animu. Me, not so much.
20100313 18:15:37< Zerovirus> Wow the faq about shikadibot is interesting.
20100313 18:15:43< SekoIdiootti> how so?
20100313 18:15:54< SekoIdiootti> what faq?
20100313 18:15:55< Gambit> In an instruction manual sort of way
20100313 18:15:56< SekoIdiootti> :O
20100313 18:16:11< Zerovirus> http://wesnoth-umc-dev.ai0867.net/bots/shikadibot.php
20100313 18:16:18< Zerovirus> google is your friend
20100313 18:16:41< Gambit> I've broken rule #1 today I think
20100313 18:16:44< Gambit> But I was teaching :P
20100313 18:16:46< SekoIdiootti> no it's not. Google is evil. :(
20100313 18:17:25< Zerovirus> Exactly. Google is your frenemy.
20100313 18:17:43< Zerovirus> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FriendlyEnemy
20100313 18:18:14< Gambit> 5 requests isn't "spam" right?
20100313 18:18:52< Zerovirus> (shh don't waken shadowm from his sleep here)
20100313 18:20:06< Gambit> lol from the FAQ "Q:The bot is stalking me! A:It wants to assimilate you. Resistance is  futile. "
20100313 18:20:30< Zerovirus> >.>
20100313 18:20:34< Zerovirus> Hug 999-1
20100313 18:20:37< Zerovirus> It's a conspiracy
20100313 18:21:51 * Gambit will do that first thing after lunch
20100313 18:22:16< Gambit> Actually first I will probably spend 2 hours just trying to get a healthbar lined up in the right place on an overlay because I suck at that sort of thing :p
20100313 18:22:25< Zerovirus> Oh god lunch
20100313 18:22:28< Zerovirus> I forgot about it
20100313 18:22:29< Zerovirus> >.<
20100313 18:22:39< Zerovirus> Darn you Ms Paint and Gimp combined darn you
20100313 18:23:27< Gambit> Get your pixels off me you darn dirty art programs.
20100313 18:23:36< SekoIdiootti> Woah, I forgot you use MS Paint for some things. :O How can it be possible, HOW!? Your spriting skills are so amazing...
20100313 18:23:54< Gambit> SekoIdiootti: It's all pixels dude.
20100313 18:24:01< SekoIdiootti> yeah, but...
20100313 18:24:08< SekoIdiootti> it's somehow... it doesn't have layers! :0
20100313 18:24:23< Gambit> Real men don't need layers.
20100313 18:24:29< Zerovirus> I don't need layers.
20100313 18:24:32< Gambit> xD
20100313 18:24:32< Zerovirus> :P
20100313 18:24:39< Zerovirus> Have you seen my frankensheets?
20100313 18:24:40< SekoIdiootti> woooah. Ok. :o
20100313 18:24:47< Gambit> Real men do need Gimps find and replace tool though :$
20100313 18:24:47< SekoIdiootti> hmm, I haven't
20100313 18:24:50< Zerovirus> I just array everything all over the place and mess with it until something cohesive comes out.
20100313 18:24:52< Zerovirus> Nope.
20100313 18:24:56< Gambit> For making space ships teamcolorized
20100313 18:25:09< Gambit> OH I completely forgot aobut that again :3
20100313 18:25:12< Zerovirus> All I need from GIMP is animation, and shadow layers. And the occasional cut and paste of body parts.
20100313 18:25:52< SekoIdiootti> bodyparts... o.o
20100313 18:25:54< Zerovirus> And seriously I only today discovered that you can stretch a box selection in MS Paint by stretching its borders.
20100313 18:25:56< Zerovirus> TODAY.
20100313 18:26:10< Zerovirus> How can I progress onto GIMP if I can't even understand Ms Paint completely? ;_;
20100313 18:26:18< SekoIdiootti> wow... that's... I didn't know that. :o
20100313 18:26:39< SekoIdiootti> I used to use MS Paint... When I had Windows 98... :P
20100313 18:26:42< VurtualRuler98> Spoiler: There's a 10x zoom.
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20100313 18:27:19< Zerovirus> Yeah I know the 10x zoom.
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20100313 18:27:22< SekoIdiootti> hmmm, 10x = 1000%?
20100313 18:27:38< Zerovirus> I would assume so?
20100313 18:27:39< SekoIdiootti> hmmm, oh, yeah
20100313 18:27:44< SekoIdiootti> lol
20100313 18:27:50< SekoIdiootti> I just somehow lost my brains. P:
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20100313 18:28:38< Zerovirus> Well get them back then!
20100313 18:28:39< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: My PC can't run the just cause 2 demo :'(
20100313 18:28:56< Gambit> I not only meet the recommended requirements, I surpass them!
20100313 18:29:00< Gambit> I don't get it.
20100313 18:29:07< SekoIdiootti> In most cases, I can't believe one of my friends uses MS Paint... I mean, he can make stuff that looks like real photos. O.o
20100313 18:29:11< SekoIdiootti> it's somehow... scary...
20100313 18:29:17< Gambit> The audio is right on track, but the video has clear skipping and lag.
20100313 18:29:30< Gambit> The audio being on track tells me that the processor is just fine. The game is running.
20100313 18:29:34< SekoIdiootti> though he spends so much time in makin stuff....
20100313 18:29:48< Gambit> But the graphics have teh same amount of skippyness whether I max out the settings, or put everyone off and low :(
20100313 18:30:11< SekoIdiootti> :(
20100313 18:30:12< Gambit> *everything
20100313 18:30:15< Gambit> Settings != people
20100313 18:30:19< SekoIdiootti> xD
20100313 18:30:27< SekoIdiootti> who knows? Maybe they are... :0
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20100313 18:30:35< Zerovirus> SekoIdiootti: Really? Photos? Are you sure he's just not really good at dithering?
20100313 18:30:44< SekoIdiootti> well... he is good at dithering
20100313 18:30:51< SekoIdiootti> and he does it with so many colors...
20100313 18:30:54< Zerovirus> link or it doesn't exist :P
20100313 18:31:01< SekoIdiootti> well.. he hasn't uploaded anything
20100313 18:31:04< SekoIdiootti> to internet
20100313 18:31:08< SekoIdiootti> to prevent piracy :()
20100313 18:31:22< Zerovirus> Wut.
20100313 18:31:24< SekoIdiootti> I've said it maaany times that he should upload stuff, but he doesn't want to...
20100313 18:31:29< SekoIdiootti> well, he's kinda... WEIRD.
20100313 18:31:31< SekoIdiootti> and paranoid.
20100313 18:31:35< Zerovirus> GFEROSIASBNELAIEBL
20100313 18:31:39< Zerovirus> OMG
20100313 18:31:40< SekoIdiootti> (even more than I am)
20100313 18:31:43< Zerovirus> guh.
20100313 18:31:44< Gambit> I can make things that look like photos on my computer... but I cheat and use a renderer :P
20100313 18:31:51< SekoIdiootti> ok
20100313 18:31:56< Zerovirus> I can make things that look like photos if I have enough time but I'm too lazy.
20100313 18:32:03< SekoIdiootti> I couldn't. :(
20100313 18:32:05< Zerovirus> It'd take me like half a year anyways.
20100313 18:32:11< SekoIdiootti> O.O
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20100313 18:33:18< Zerovirus> Sigh. None of my DA watches are on, none of my submissions to Pixeljoint have gone through yet, and the Workshop is practically dead. And I'm too hungry to sprite D:
20100313 18:33:23< Gambit> http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt107/Grickit/planetwallpaper.jpg
20100313 18:33:27< Gambit> made in ms paint ^^
20100313 18:33:35< Zerovirus> Ahem.
20100313 18:33:36< Zerovirus> bullshit.
20100313 18:33:39< SekoIdiootti> ...
20100313 18:33:50< Zerovirus> If that's true I'll go kill myself now.
20100313 18:33:50< Gambit> Unrelated note: I also have a three legged world champion race horse for sale.
20100313 18:33:51< SekoIdiootti> Zerovirus: bull's hit?
20100313 18:33:58< SekoIdiootti> xD
20100313 18:34:20< Zerovirus> Pfft. I have a five legged one, and the fifth leg is its tail.
20100313 18:34:23< SekoIdiootti> or... hill's but o.o
20100313 18:34:27< SekoIdiootti> *butt
20100313 18:34:42< Gambit> but seriously I could alter one pixel, like the top right corner and say "I used MS paint on this"
20100313 18:34:47< Gambit> and that sentance would be 100% true
20100313 18:34:50< SekoIdiootti> lol
20100313 18:34:56< SekoIdiootti> well yeah...
20100313 18:34:58< Zerovirus> lol not impressed man
20100313 18:35:03< SekoIdiootti> kinda... hmm...
20100313 18:35:19< Gambit> In all seriousness though that wallpaper took me more than three hours
20100313 18:35:28< Gambit> but 45 minutes of it was just waiting for it to render :p
20100313 18:35:53< Zerovirus> lol.
20100313 18:36:00< Zerovirus> For some reason that reminds me of Planepacked.
20100313 18:36:15< VurtualRuler98> Having a wallpaper that has itself on it 7 times
20100313 18:36:34< Gambit> http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt107/Grickit/wallpaper2-1.jpg
20100313 18:37:09< SekoIdiootti> PHOTO!!!
20100313 18:37:21< Gambit> Nope. 100% computer generated.
20100313 18:37:24< Zerovirus> Wow there are so many bad examples of pixelart on DA.
20100313 18:37:32< SekoIdiootti> Gambit: O.O
20100313 18:37:37< Zerovirus> By that do you mean you drew a 3d render and then took a photo of that? :P
20100313 18:38:29< Gambit> You can't draw a 3D render :s
20100313 18:38:34< Gambit> I modeled it in TerraGen
20100313 18:38:40< SekoIdiootti> ok
20100313 18:38:41< Gambit> and then rendered an image of it
20100313 18:39:02< SekoIdiootti> ok
20100313 18:39:10< Zerovirus> Yeeah. That's about what I was thinking of.
20100313 18:40:00< Zerovirus> Seriously what's with all the bad frankensteined pokemon sprites on DA's pixelart area now?
20100313 18:40:31< Gambit> People want splicing in the next pokemon game so badly that they're helping with the art? :P
20100313 18:40:35< VurtualRuler98> Because people are dumb?
20100313 18:40:39< SekoIdiootti> O.o
20100313 18:40:49< VurtualRuler98> Also, spurred on by absolutely hillarious combined pokemon.
20100313 18:40:55< VurtualRuler98> Like that one koffing-pikachu.
20100313 18:41:07< Gambit> Pikaking?
20100313 18:41:10< Gambit> Koffingchu?
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20100313 18:41:34< SekoIdiootti> lol
20100313 18:41:45< SekoIdiootti> PIKA-PIKA-PFFFFT!!!
20100313 18:42:00< SekoIdiootti> (it would do that sound)
20100313 18:42:05< Zerovirus> Actually there was this gestalt amalgamated superlegendary formed out of all the pieces of every legendary ever.
20100313 18:42:10< Zerovirus> It had a horrible color scheme.
20100313 18:42:11< Gambit> I'm not goona Raichu a love song. Cause you Ash'd for it. Cause you Nidoran.
20100313 18:42:21< Zerovirus> Actually it didn't have a color scheme at all.
20100313 18:42:32< VurtualRuler98> Of course even the best attempts at combining pokemon result in ditto-meowths and magikarp with arms.
20100313 18:42:35< SekoIdiootti> I used to do pokemon splices. :P
20100313 18:42:40< SekoIdiootti> FRANKIE POWER!!!
20100313 18:42:42< SekoIdiootti> but no more.
20100313 18:42:46< SekoIdiootti> not in a long time.
20100313 18:43:25< Zerovirus> I've never tried pokemon sprites. Maybe I should explore more spriting styles besides Wesnoth Mainline.
20100313 18:43:39< VurtualRuler98> Heavy infantry krakens
20100313 18:43:45< SekoIdiootti> :OOOOOOOO
20100313 18:43:45< VurtualRuler98> Where the whole thing comes out of the neck hole.
20100313 18:43:47< SekoIdiootti> that'd...
20100313 18:43:58< SekoIdiootti> :0
20100313 18:44:00< Zerovirus> Wait what are we talking about again
20100313 18:44:06< Zerovirus> How did this suddenly KRAKENs
20100313 18:44:17< Gambit> Kraken heads no less
20100313 18:44:44< Zerovirus> I was about to make that pun >:(
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20100313 18:45:59< Zerovirus> Wait how is a ladybug supposed to hug people again?
20100313 18:46:07< Zerovirus> I'm trying to draw a sketch of this sprite before I start.
20100313 18:46:09< VurtualRuler98> With their arms?
20100313 18:46:28< SekoIdiootti> I'm doing a octopus.
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20100313 18:46:33< Zerovirus> I mean a ladybug hugging someone with realistic proportions looks to me a lot like a metroid attack. :P
20100313 18:46:35< SekoIdiootti> I mean... LIKE... DRAWING one.
20100313 18:46:39< SekoIdiootti> a sprite
20100313 18:46:46< Zerovirus> The Fisherman's Dream anyone?
20100313 18:46:52< SekoIdiootti> ....
20100313 18:47:17< Gambit> Wait did anyone actually mistake "I'm doing an octopus"?
20100313 18:47:32< Zerovirus> No
20100313 18:47:37< Zerovirus> but I'll pretend I did :D
20100313 18:47:38< SekoIdiootti> lol
20100313 18:47:40< Gambit> *cough* guilty conscious
20100313 18:47:49< Gambit> *conscience
20100313 18:47:54 * Gambit doesn't know :'(
20100313 18:47:56< Zerovirus> Nobody answered my question :/
20100313 18:48:07< SekoIdiootti> ?
20100313 18:48:12< SekoIdiootti> AAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!
20100313 18:48:16< SekoIdiootti> LOL
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20100313 18:48:54< Zerovirus> um. okay.
20100313 18:49:33< SekoIdiootti> Should I make a sprite of that? So someone would be doing a squid? I MEAN...!!!
20100313 18:49:41< SekoIdiootti> ......(jk)
20100313 18:49:43< Zerovirus> cough*Mefisto*cough
20100313 18:49:50< SekoIdiootti> lol
20100313 18:50:16< Zerovirus> SekoIdiootti: Also, I haven't seen your sprite work before. Care to let me take a look? :)
20100313 18:50:18< Gambit> Short answer: no
20100313 18:50:24< Gambit> Long answer: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
20100313 18:50:29< SekoIdiootti> umm, Zero, you have seen...
20100313 18:50:30< Gambit> Zerovirus: SekoIdiootti=Woodmouse
20100313 18:50:31< SekoIdiootti> even commented...
20100313 18:50:40< SekoIdiootti> lol, you forgot it. :P
20100313 18:50:54< SekoIdiootti> (because I've told it before)
20100313 18:51:03< SekoIdiootti> or wait, I told it to Gambit
20100313 18:51:04< Gambit> Zero is new to IRC me thinks.
20100313 18:51:08< SekoIdiootti> lol
20100313 18:51:12< Zerovirus> Derp I didn't know this.
20100313 18:51:20< Zerovirus> Yes I am. I only got on for the first time yesterday >.<
20100313 18:51:35< SekoIdiootti> :o
20100313 18:51:47< SekoIdiootti> I hope you'll... be... here... always!!!
20100313 18:51:51 * Gambit wants a shikadibot sprite :P
20100313 18:51:51< SekoIdiootti> xD
20100313 18:51:56 * SekoIdiootti makes one.
20100313 18:52:01< Gambit> :o
20100313 18:52:04< SekoIdiootti> ... xD
20100313 18:52:22< Gambit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shikadi
20100313 18:52:29< Gambit> you'll have to cross that with a robot
20100313 18:52:57< Gambit> Shouldn't be too hard. They're just ghosty blobby things with limbs.
20100313 18:52:59< SekoIdiootti> ...okay, but that with... something... :P
20100313 18:53:04< Gambit> rofl at the idea of robot ghost
20100313 18:53:13< Zerovirus> But suddenly WILD ZEROVIRUS APPEARS! Go Gambit! Use IRC Ball! You caught a wild Zerovirus! What do you name it? Spriteslave_
20100313 18:53:15< Zerovirus> :P
20100313 18:53:35< SekoIdiootti> :O
20100313 18:53:54< Gambit> Make me a team colorable planet!
20100313 18:54:02< VurtualRuler98> Here you go: o
20100313 18:54:08< Zerovirus> Zerovirus uses MsPaint!
20100313 18:54:12< VurtualRuler98> You can make it like, red or blue or green or purple or even brown.
20100313 18:54:13< Zerovirus> It's not very effective...
20100313 18:54:14< Gambit> It's super effective.
20100313 18:54:17< Zerovirus> Zerovirus has fallen asleep!
20100313 18:54:17< Gambit> darnit!
20100313 18:54:25< Zerovirus> -zzz-
20100313 18:54:32< VurtualRuler98> Also after reading some stuff I had made a giant realistic looking planet in GIMP once.
20100313 18:54:42< VurtualRuler98> But it was just a bunch of blurs in a cicle without an atmosphere.
20100313 18:54:51< Gambit> Gambit uses GetBackToWorkSlap.
20100313 18:54:56< Gambit> xD
20100313 18:55:03< Gambit> Zerovirus faints!
20100313 18:55:06< Gambit> Um... oops.
20100313 18:55:08< Zerovirus> lol
20100313 18:55:20< Zerovirus> Okay so my pokeknowledge failed me for once >.<
20100313 18:55:29< VurtualRuler98> I still have my meganium.
20100313 18:55:34< Zerovirus> And lo we return to the pokemon cen... Art Workshop.
20100313 18:55:45< Gambit> I had a level 100 golduck once.
20100313 18:55:52< VurtualRuler98> Now you have me humming the wild battle theme.
20100313 18:56:01< VurtualRuler98> Well I have a shiny Gyarados. And a shiny magikarp.
20100313 18:56:06< Zerovirus> My school newspaper ran an article on pokemon yesterday.
20100313 18:56:18< Zerovirus> They didn't include Venusaur in the list of "most epic pokemon ever".
20100313 18:56:22< Zerovirus> I was so mad :P
20100313 18:56:41< Gambit> Basically I put my main in the PC to start with. I wanted to make it without any of the starters
20100313 18:56:57< Gambit> Part way through I caught a psyduck
20100313 18:57:29< Gambit> And the rest was history.
20100313 18:57:57< Zerovirus> I once tried playing through the entire game with pure Caterpie. No other pokemon allowed. Well Caterpie and Magikarp.
20100313 18:58:02< Zerovirus> Needless to say I didn't get so far.
20100313 18:58:06< Gambit> Totadile = most epic pokemon ever.
20100313 18:58:21< Gambit> *toto
20100313 18:58:22< Zerovirus> Nope. Ludicolo>Totodile
20100313 18:58:35< Gambit> Nope sorry. Totodile wins.
20100313 18:58:55< Gambit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l693NzVcPyg
20100313 18:58:59< Gambit> :)
20100313 18:59:01< MikeJB> I found a glitch to get Mew.
20100313 18:59:03< Zerovirus> But Ludicolo's so generically spanish!
20100313 18:59:09< MikeJB> I was happy.
20100313 18:59:50< MikeJB> It was discovered in like '01 or '02 or something though.
20100313 18:59:55< Zerovirus> Your video.
20100313 18:59:59< Zerovirus> What the booop.
20100313 19:00:01< Zerovirus> boop.
20100313 19:01:15 * Gambit does not have way too many multiplayer UMCs
20100313 19:01:31< Zerovirus> You have a ton of UMCs though, admit that.
20100313 19:01:41< Gambit> Only like three finished ones
20100313 19:01:56< Gambit> And one I recently gave to Mabuse
20100313 19:02:17< Gambit> Or rather he stole it, made it better, and it's so cool now that I don't want it back.
20100313 19:02:32< SekoIdiootti> Gambit: Gah, I can't make a shikadibot sprite. It's too hard. Zero would make it better anyway, XD
20100313 19:02:35< Zerovirus> I think the only reason that you only have 3 finished is because you're working on too many at once.
20100313 19:02:49< Zerovirus> Also, why a Ladybug for Shikadibot?
20100313 19:03:03< Gambit> Well I have to get GEB updated for 4.0 or I'll have an angry mob.
20100313 19:03:18< Zerovirus> Whoa I need to hang around the music development area more instead of holing myself up in art.
20100313 19:03:28< Gambit> It's weird, people are starting to make add-ons for an add-on <_<
20100313 19:03:51< Gambit> Just like SurvivalExtreme
20100313 19:04:18< Zerovirus> I'm so bored I'm trying to find trope examples of the people active here.
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20100313 19:05:03< Gambit> *updated for 1.8
20100313 19:05:22< Aethaeryn> Heh, updated for 1.8.
20100313 19:05:33< Aethaeryn> My issue is I never *downgraded* for 1.6 because I didn't expect 80 betas for 1.8
20100313 19:05:59< Aethaeryn> So I have some good maps and add-ons, all multiplayer, that I *cannot* test until people go on 1.8 MP, which will only happen when they finish the server.
20100313 19:06:13< Gambit> After that my main priority is the tutorial. And then I plan to spend most of the summer on Dynamica -dramatic music-
20100313 19:06:27< VurtualRuler98> Zerovirus, just write me down for every tvtropes entry ever.
20100313 19:06:43< Zerovirus> Every? -incredulous look-
20100313 19:06:53< Gambit> Even the FemFatale :s
20100313 19:06:59< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: Even the ones that contradict? :P
20100313 19:07:07< VurtualRuler98> Well I've been most of them at least once to someone.
20100313 19:07:11< Aethaeryn> Contradiction is a central way to prove bad logic. :P
20100313 19:07:15< Gambit> I think contradicting tropes IS a trope.
20100313 19:07:46< Aethaeryn> Of course, to expect logic in shows, movies, games, and books... THAT is asking too much.
20100313 19:08:08< Zerovirus> Starving Artist is mine though. Nobody else can have that territory >.>
20100313 19:09:00< VurtualRuler98> Portal was pretty logical.
20100313 19:09:53< Aethaeryn> Okay, there's logic in games, somewhat, because of CODE. ;)
20100313 19:10:05< Aethaeryn> Code is basically extended logic.
20100313 19:10:22< Zerovirus> Code is logic with a bunch of unnecessary bracket rules glued on imo :P (jk)
20100313 19:11:10< Gambit> I know of one logical song
20100313 19:11:22< Gambit> It's aptly titled too.
20100313 19:12:00< Gambit> -supertramp reference-
20100313 19:12:23< Gambit> sorry zero I have to put off work on this for another little bit
20100313 19:12:25< Aethaeryn> There isn't even logic on IRC
20100313 19:12:31< Gambit> I promised my brother a "science experiment" >>
20100313 19:12:44< Aethaeryn> Look at some of the channel names. :P
20100313 19:13:13< Aethaeryn> Maybe Freenode is a little more logical than the others, trying #project and #project-additionalrole, but chans are seldom used for their purpose :P
20100313 19:13:20< Zerovirus> What kind of experiment>
20100313 19:13:22< Zerovirus> *?
20100313 19:13:26< Aethaeryn> The only chans I've seen stay on topic are the *-dev chans
20100313 19:15:09< SekoIdiootti> I just got an awesome idea...
20100313 19:15:17< SekoIdiootti> I mean, some HUGE mountains..
20100313 19:15:22< SekoIdiootti> like, sharp...
20100313 19:15:24< SekoIdiootti> and...
20100313 19:15:26< SekoIdiootti> tall
20100313 19:15:27< SekoIdiootti> :O
20100313 19:15:54< Aethaeryn> Sorry, God already came up with that idea a while back.
20100313 19:16:03 * Aethaeryn points to various mountain ranges around the world.
20100313 19:16:14< Aethaeryn> Doesn't it suck how no idea is original?
20100313 19:16:18< Gambit> Zerovirus: We're going to make a PH indicated out of Red Cabbage
20100313 19:16:33< Zerovirus> Ah the joy of old elementary science fair projects.
20100313 19:16:39< Zerovirus> I won second place once I remember.
20100313 19:16:41< Gambit> and then he can add it to vinager and baking soda and watch them change to pink and blue respectively
20100313 19:16:44< SekoIdiootti> I meant in Wesnoth
20100313 19:17:14< Zerovirus> Mountains? What do Mountains have to do with anything again?
20100313 19:17:17< Gambit> Aethaeryn: You said "no idea is orignal" hold that thought!!!
20100313 19:19:14< Aethaeryn> Zerovirus: You see, logic is like a mountain...
20100313 19:19:28< Gambit> grr I can't find the video.
20100313 19:19:46< Zerovirus> What, that people like to make holes in it and dig out the innards to build other things?
20100313 19:20:30< Aethaeryn> Kinda.
20100313 19:20:31< Gambit> keep holding
20100313 19:20:33< Aethaeryn> You have to watch out for goblins, trolls, and (especially) balrogs.
20100313 19:21:22< VurtualRuler98> Hey, people can be original.
20100313 19:21:35< VurtualRuler98> Sure, we all derive our original ideas from concepts we've seen before.
20100313 19:21:48< Zerovirus> So they aren't original :O
20100313 19:21:50< Zerovirus> -tired-
20100313 19:21:57< VurtualRuler98> But then otherwise we'd need to take out every sensory organ of a human.
20100313 19:22:22< VurtualRuler98> Your brain works that way, compiling visually absorbed things into ideas, which in turn help you compile more.
20100313 19:22:27< VurtualRuler98> That's partially what makes you!
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20100313 19:22:33< Aethaeryn> Why is originality a good thing anyway?
20100313 19:22:48< Aethaeryn> Most old cultures valued old things, now we moderns value new. We're an exception rather than the rule.
20100313 19:23:07< Zerovirus> Because old things are rusty and moldy and smell bad. >.>
20100313 19:23:13< VurtualRuler98> We just learned not to fear science.
20100313 19:23:13< Aethaeryn> Is an idea bad if it builds on old concepts (aka. patents) rather than creates something new and patentable?
20100313 19:23:17< Aethaeryn> Oh wait... patents fail.
20100313 19:23:43< VurtualRuler98> Am I the only one mostly not annoyed by patents?
20100313 19:23:45< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: What if Isaac Newton had patented gravity?
20100313 19:23:49< VurtualRuler98> Except things like gene patenting that isn't your gene.
20100313 19:24:02< VurtualRuler98> You can't patent things that aren't inventions! That's silly!
20100313 19:24:05< Zerovirus> Wow this subject changing is strange. Art to pokemon to IRC to logic or somthing.
20100313 19:24:06< Aethaeryn> *No* problems with patenting tangable things.
20100313 19:24:16< Aethaeryn> But anything intangible, including software, equations and ideas, should not be patentable.
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20100313 19:24:24< Zerovirus> I wonder who holds the patent for currency.
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20100313 19:24:30< Aethaeryn> Any kind of method patents.
20100313 19:24:32< Zerovirus> Because this would probably be a really stupid idea.
20100313 19:24:35< VurtualRuler98> A whole new system of software is certainly patentable.
20100313 19:24:37< Aethaeryn> It's harmful to society.
20100313 19:24:41< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: I disagree.
20100313 19:24:56< Aethaeryn> Give lawyers an inch and they'll take a mile.
20100313 19:25:02< VurtualRuler98> Say, if I invented a program that accesses things in a special way, writing a special way, to produce an effecient accessing system for itself.
20100313 19:25:04< Aethaeryn> Admit that *any* software is patentable, and they'll try to patent it all.
20100313 19:25:18< VurtualRuler98> Like a whole new invention of how a program can do things.
20100313 19:25:25< Aethaeryn> *Only* hardware should be patentable.
20100313 19:25:33< VurtualRuler98> Who needs that?
20100313 19:25:37< Aethaeryn> The patent system was written before computers, before software and intangible digital goods
20100313 19:25:48< VurtualRuler98> I grew up in a country founded on reasonable people! And I'll fight to remain reasonable!
20100313 19:25:55< Aethaeryn> What if the Greeks had patented mathematical equations when they first came out, and charged royalties to do basic geometry?
20100313 19:26:05< VurtualRuler98> Anyways, a whole new invented program is certainly patentable.
20100313 19:26:08< Aethaeryn> I'll patent Pi so you can't make circles without paying me!
20100313 19:26:11< VurtualRuler98> Aethaeryn, that's a concept.
20100313 19:26:27< Zerovirus> And lo this conversation arrives at a point where I cannot really participate due to tiredness :P
20100313 19:26:29< Aethaeryn> Exactly. Software algorithms are concepts.
20100313 19:26:31< Aethaeryn> methods of doing things.
20100313 19:26:53< VurtualRuler98> Except you couldn't pick a daisy and find Microsoft Office in the patterns
20100313 19:27:01< Aethaeryn> And if you wrote a software application, you *will* violate someone's patents, no matter how hard you try.
20100313 19:27:10< VurtualRuler98> or look at the angle of the sun's rays and see Gentoo.
20100313 19:27:11< Aethaeryn> Even Microsoft got screwed over by patent trolls and had to remove a feature from Office.
20100313 19:27:37< VurtualRuler98> If you actually patented a whole new way of doing things, like a machine would work
20100313 19:27:52< Zerovirus> Yawn. I'm just going to see if I can make the Lv2 Braveheart for Era of the Future before I fall asleep.
20100313 19:27:57< VurtualRuler98> Where instead of having regular program-ly ways of doing things, you did it in some way nobody would think of.
20100313 19:28:04< VurtualRuler98> Then you could patent this strange new way.
20100313 19:28:13< Aethaeryn> No, you shouldn't be able to.
20100313 19:28:18< Aethaeryn> it's still a thought you're patenting.
20100313 19:28:22< VurtualRuler98> Or a revolutionary, entirely unexpected way to do operating systems.
20100313 19:28:23< Aethaeryn> Not something you manufacture and sell
20100313 19:28:52< VurtualRuler98> Well I'm thinking of something patentable, an invention.
20100313 19:28:52< Aethaeryn> Software patents would be like patenting chairs, not a type of chair, just chairs in general.
20100313 19:28:55< VurtualRuler98> But it's a thought, can I patent it?
20100313 19:29:04< VurtualRuler98> No that's like patenting "word processor"
20100313 19:29:11< Aethaeryn> Which is bullshit.
20100313 19:29:25< Aethaeryn> Because writing words on a computer screen shouldn't have a 20 year monopoly.
20100313 19:29:32< VurtualRuler98> But patenting a new way of writing to hard drives, accessing files, or an OS hat does everything entirely in a new unexpected way is more reasonable.
20100313 19:29:37< Aethaeryn> That hurts and slows innovation to late 1800s pace instead of our current pace.
20100313 19:29:44< VurtualRuler98> It'd be like a cotton gin of computers or something.
20100313 19:29:49< Aethaeryn> ...
20100313 19:29:58< Aethaeryn> But then it's locked to one company for 20 years.
20100313 19:30:03< VurtualRuler98> And?
20100313 19:30:06< Aethaeryn> That's bad.
20100313 19:30:09< VurtualRuler98> It's capitalism. Sure, it doesn't seem friendly.
20100313 19:30:11< Aethaeryn> Considering 20 years ago, linux didn't exist.
20100313 19:30:13< VurtualRuler98> But hey, it makes competition.
20100313 19:30:14< Aethaeryn> Windows 95 didn't exist.
20100313 19:30:18< Aethaeryn> No, it doesn't.
20100313 19:30:26< Aethaeryn> It hurts competition when you cut off an entire approach of doing things.
20100313 19:30:28< Zerovirus> But the development of it would be sped up, so it'd exist earlier but be locked to one group for longer.
20100313 19:30:29< VurtualRuler98> Instead of crying about how they have an idea and the right to use their idea.
20100313 19:30:30< Aethaeryn> Like "multitouch"
20100313 19:30:39< VurtualRuler98> Come up with a better idea, do better than them.
20100313 19:30:54< VurtualRuler98> You can't patent something that's pretty obvious you know.
20100313 19:30:55< Aethaeryn> Zerovirus: So the initial concept will come out maybe 1-2 years earlier, but they're not special for inventing it. And its evolution slows down *greatly*
20100313 19:31:05< VurtualRuler98> Chances are everyone wanted to use multiple fingers on a touch screen
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20100313 19:31:21< VurtualRuler98> Also, it's not like patents are like "ONE COMPANY IS THE ONLY PERSON TO USE THIS"
20100313 19:31:26< Aethaeryn> The problem with software is that other people WOULD eventually get to it if you didn't.
20100313 19:31:26< VurtualRuler98> Chances are they'll sell rights to this.
20100313 19:31:30< Aethaeryn> It's just a race to be first.
20100313 19:31:47< Aethaeryn> It's not something like the television or the automobile where you had to put together lots of working parts and it's expensive to produce or something.
20100313 19:31:57< Aethaeryn> Software is easy to produce: ctrl+c, ctrl+v
20100313 19:31:58< Aethaeryn> :P
20100313 19:32:03< VurtualRuler98> Well someone would invent a cotton gin eventually.
20100313 19:32:25< VurtualRuler98> Programming is like putting parts together, except you're also crafting the exact function of every part.
20100313 19:32:26< Zerovirus> A kilobyte gin? :P
20100313 19:32:32< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: The problem with selling rights is that it ASSUMES that it's a commercial program.
20100313 19:32:39< Gambit> ugh I finalll found it
20100313 19:32:43< Gambit> Aethaeryn: did you hold that thought?
20100313 19:32:46< Aethaeryn> That they're going to charge $200 for it and you can get $10 out of that chunk.
20100313 19:32:53< VurtualRuler98> You have a gigantic body with many simple functions already there, then other functions added on in other parts, until you have a program.
20100313 19:33:02< Aethaeryn> If it's a $0 software, then they can't use that feature at all for 20 years
20100313 19:33:05< Aethaeryn> And that's just fucking stupid.
20100313 19:33:09< VurtualRuler98> Say someone invents a new way of computer software.
20100313 19:33:24< Aethaeryn> To assume that postscarcity economics is the same as 1890s economics is just living in the past.
20100313 19:33:29< VurtualRuler98> Some guy sitting at his desk runs off as he has an amazing way to revolutionize computers entirely.
20100313 19:33:48< Aethaeryn> In any field where there's no scarcity, e.g. digital stuff, applying old modes of thining to it (including patents) just leads to legal mess.
20100313 19:33:55< Aethaeryn> *thinking
20100313 19:33:57< VurtualRuler98> Then, he patents this, and then gets money from manufacturers who want to use this.
20100313 19:34:22< Aethaeryn> Right. So patents assume that the only motivation one would ever have to improve computers is money.
20100313 19:34:26< Aethaeryn> Only money.
20100313 19:34:29< VurtualRuler98> Yeah or an ego.
20100313 19:34:33< Zerovirus> So compromise: shorten patent time. Would that be effective?
20100313 19:34:37< VurtualRuler98> Or being really tired.
20100313 19:34:47< Aethaeryn> Zerovirus: I'd say patent time at 2-5 years *would* be effective.
20100313 19:34:49< Aethaeryn> Instead of 20
20100313 19:34:59< VurtualRuler98> Compromise: Amend constitution, do not let individual features be patented.
20100313 19:35:01< Aethaeryn> Because the computer world *does* move that fast relative to the old world.
20100313 19:35:19< Aethaeryn> Would still suck like hell, but at least you'd have a response in time.
20100313 19:35:48< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: Amending the constitution would be an awful process.
20100313 19:35:49< Zerovirus> Yeah, I was thinking maybe 4 years.
20100313 19:35:55< VurtualRuler98> Actually
20100313 19:35:56< Aethaeryn> Lobbiests would merely need to buy out 1/3 of the politicians to stop it from happening.
20100313 19:36:04< Aethaeryn> And they could.
20100313 19:36:07< VurtualRuler98> If someone called Apple out on trying to patent multitouch then we would be fine.
20100313 19:36:25< Aethaeryn> In reality, both probably needs to happen.
20100313 19:36:28< VurtualRuler98> Aethaeryn, if people start trying to do that, and you're really that angry.
20100313 19:36:33< Aethaeryn> Patent reform and patent shortening on certain things.
20100313 19:36:43< VurtualRuler98> Grab a rifle and start a revolution like the founding fathers said to.
20100313 19:37:09< Zerovirus> In reality, that won't work :P
20100313 19:37:21< VurtualRuler98> Or are you only going to stab out at people from a computer, writing intangible code, and calling disbelief at people who actually want money?
20100313 19:37:24< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: Unfortunately in the era of explosives and predator drones, 10,000 men behind computers could probably crush a revolution of 1,000,000 men with guns. Just like 10,000 men on horses and with guns could crush millions of native americans.
20100313 19:37:33< VurtualRuler98> I ain't worried about no drone.
20100313 19:37:51< VurtualRuler98> If you really think your fancy computer is going to stop a revolution from within a country built to revolt
20100313 19:37:53< VurtualRuler98> Then try.
20100313 19:37:59< VurtualRuler98> It'll go down in a few hours.
20100313 19:38:21< Aethaeryn> Not all computers are plugged in to the Internet, sorry... Anonymous ain't gonna defeat the DoD
20100313 19:38:26< VurtualRuler98> If people were honestly united under a cause, liberty or death, you can't do much to stop that.
20100313 19:38:44< VurtualRuler98> You'll have every natural and supernatural force working against you.
20100313 19:38:49< Zerovirus> Idealism versus realism here :P
20100313 19:38:50< Aethaeryn> Hah, Americans united... especially over an abstract concept like patent reform. I'm sorry, I don't think minute details that are corrupted would do it.
20100313 19:38:52< VurtualRuler98> People will directly raid your datacenters.
20100313 19:38:55< Zerovirus> Supernatural force lol
20100313 19:39:41< VurtualRuler98> A government where money starts immediately changing the constitution and creating monopolies?
20100313 19:39:51< VurtualRuler98> Chances are you'll be close to revolt by then.
20100313 19:39:52< Aethaeryn> We're far too lazy, luxury loving, and ignorant of issues to ever want to get really active on something.
20100313 19:40:23< Aethaeryn> All 1,000 people who actually cared about ________ issue to do something'd get arrested, killed, or worse...
20100313 19:40:36< VurtualRuler98> I'm not lazy. I'm pretty indifferent to a tiny tax or some people getting money during an attempt to save the economy, or some people getting killed in a voluntary war.
20100313 19:40:59< Aethaeryn> Eh, besides, the revolution would probably lead to some kind of worse government.
20100313 19:41:21< VurtualRuler98> A few guys in a colony fought off a massive world-spanning empire
20100313 19:41:26< Aethaeryn> If we *are* spending insane amounts of money and Weimar-level inflation is coming, then what are the odds we will *not* wind up with an insane dictator?
20100313 19:41:30< VurtualRuler98> Some angry barbarians took out Rome!
20100313 19:41:43< VurtualRuler98> Aethaeryn, I can give you 7.62 reasons.
20100313 19:42:00< VurtualRuler98> Give or take some PTSD and suicidal depression about what happened.
20100313 19:42:09< Aethaeryn> I'll take the annoying devil I know that gives lip-service to liberties over the oppressive and anti-freedom one that tries to set up a China-esque Great Wall
20100313 19:42:13< Aethaeryn> (of Internet)
20100313 19:42:18< Zerovirus> Hey don't diss the Great Wall, it's awesome.
20100313 19:42:20< Zerovirus> :P
20100313 19:42:39< VurtualRuler98> You know, I always wanted some kind of great wall.
20100313 19:42:47< VurtualRuler98> Maybe I could build a wall around my home.
20100313 19:42:48< Gambit> Zerovirus: Will you be really mad if I decide to put off implementing StayPuft man?
20100313 19:42:51< VurtualRuler98> Keep out the deer.
20100313 19:43:05< Gambit> on account of lazyness/not wanting to do wesnoth whilst FF13 is staring me in the face
20100313 19:43:05< Aethaeryn> eh...
20100313 19:43:16< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: Point proven.
20100313 19:43:32< Aethaeryn> As long as video games and television exists, there will be no popular revolt.
20100313 19:43:42< Aethaeryn> As the Roman Emperors said, give the people the games.
20100313 19:43:43< Zerovirus> Gambit
20100313 19:43:44< VurtualRuler98> Anyways, if a government tries to do something like take guns from someone revolting
20100313 19:43:49< Zerovirus> Do whatever you want
20100313 19:43:52< Zerovirus> It's a free country
20100313 19:43:57< Zerovirus> (subliminalmessagesgo)
20100313 19:43:59< VurtualRuler98> And they get in a firefight, while calling out to aid from everyone who sees the reason to stand up.
20100313 19:44:01< Aethaeryn> Besides, why the hell would we want a revolution?
20100313 19:44:06< VurtualRuler98> Then that'll cause revolution/civil war really fast.
20100313 19:44:16< Aethaeryn> Last I checked, we can just vote everyone out and not resort to violence if it really *was* bad.
20100313 19:44:19< VurtualRuler98> Sure, we don't need a evolt now.
20100313 19:44:21< Aethaeryn> As long as we have elections, we're okay.
20100313 19:44:28< VurtualRuler98> But if it does get bad, we always have that power to.
20100313 19:44:31< Aethaeryn> If democracy has one good thing it's the peaceful transition of power.
20100313 19:44:32< VurtualRuler98> If all else fails, use gun.
20100313 19:44:36< Aethaeryn> really?
20100313 19:44:40< Aethaeryn> What gun?
20100313 19:44:44< VurtualRuler98> Any gun.
20100313 19:44:44< Aethaeryn> I don't have a gun, who does?
20100313 19:44:46< Aethaeryn> :P
20100313 19:44:46< Zerovirus> Shoop da whoop of course.
20100313 19:44:47< Gambit> Yeah but Aethaeryn the people haven't picked a good president for the past three elections
20100313 19:44:49< VurtualRuler98> I got this pistol here, a few rifles.
20100313 19:44:54< VurtualRuler98> Some shotguns.
20100313 19:45:03< VurtualRuler98> But of course, I don't need them now. Things aren't too bad as-is.
20100313 19:45:04< Aethaeryn> Yeah, you see, most people don't stockpile guns. We're content with modern life.
20100313 19:45:09< VurtualRuler98> actually
20100313 19:45:10< VurtualRuler98> Plenty of people do.
20100313 19:45:14< VurtualRuler98> Just look at the countrysides.
20100313 19:45:16< Aethaeryn> And the rest of us can borrow from esr.
20100313 19:45:28< VurtualRuler98> Have you seen some of those guys in Texas?
20100313 19:45:47< VurtualRuler98> Boy I'll tell ya, this one guy had anti-air weaponry and tanks, missiles, all sorts of stuff in his backyard or stored up.
20100313 19:45:50< Gambit> http://rat-hunter.com/red-neck-rat-hunting.jpg
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20100313 19:45:56< Gambit> ^^ just to back up Vurtuals point
20100313 19:46:25< VurtualRuler98> Infact, my dad went and hunted prarie dogs not too long ago.
20100313 19:46:51< VurtualRuler98> Makes you really start to believe those unrealistic war hero tales about how it was just like "shooting turkeys back at home"
20100313 19:47:07< Zerovirus> My dad's hunting deer with a bow he bought a month ago. He actually stores them for meat. >.>
20100313 19:47:16< Zerovirus> Just chipping in :P
20100313 19:47:33< VurtualRuler98> We got some nice bows too.
20100313 19:47:34< Gambit> who shoots turkeys back home?
20100313 19:47:37< VurtualRuler98> And we use the deer to make jerky.
20100313 19:47:47< Gambit> Real men bullseye wamp-rats in their T-16
20100313 19:47:53< Aethaeryn> Most of us do NOT have weaponry stockpiled for a hypothetical just-in-case revolution... And those who do could easily be crushed impersonally by several pushes of a button.
20100313 19:48:00< Aethaeryn> Really, I don't think a revolution would *ever* be the answer
20100313 19:48:05< VurtualRuler98> Real men throw a grenade up in the air with a one day fuse and then wait, where it'll land and hit a guy.
20100313 19:48:12< Aethaeryn> Leaving the country would be more probable in the event that elections are compromised.
20100313 19:48:21< Blarumyrran> You gotta have salt & matches stockpiled though
20100313 19:48:25< VurtualRuler98> Aethaeryn, our government was founded knowing that if things got reeaaaallllllllllly reallyreallyreallyreally bad, we'd revolt.
20100313 19:48:42< Aethaeryn> not anymore...
20100313 19:48:46< Aethaeryn> We've been neutered :P
20100313 19:48:53< Blarumyrran> Wussiefied
20100313 19:49:00< Gambit> spayed
20100313 19:49:08< VurtualRuler98> We had Japanese generals cowering in fear at our civilian power!
20100313 19:49:09< Zerovirus> Stoned
20100313 19:49:11< VurtualRuler98> Also on the topic of gun stockpiling, survivalists.
20100313 19:49:17< Aethaeryn> Teddy Roosevelt complained about the wimpification of men... and that was 100 years ago
20100313 19:49:35< Blarumyrran> nowadays most kids are taught wussieness with inane tom&jerry-like constant beating that has no consequences, removing the whole point of violence as such
20100313 19:49:35< Aethaeryn> So now with air conditioning and cable TV and Internet we must be *really* spoiled in his eyes
20100313 19:49:56< VurtualRuler98> Blarumyrran, on the flipside.
20100313 19:49:56< Gambit> Yeah but Blaru and Aethae you forget one thing.
20100313 19:50:00< Gambit> We have gangs.
20100313 19:50:03< Gambit> >_> <_<
20100313 19:50:06< Aethaeryn> damn, you're right
20100313 19:50:06< VurtualRuler98> Remember all those people complaining about dreadfully slow connections?
20100313 19:50:12< VurtualRuler98> Those people in midwestern states?
20100313 19:50:19< VurtualRuler98> They probably play quake or something, and have lots of guns.
20100313 19:50:34< Blarumyrran> I'm somehow not very afraid of people who play quake
20100313 19:50:38< Zerovirus> Lol ouch.
20100313 19:50:39< VurtualRuler98> Quake can make your average person shoot as well as people who've been doing it for decades.
20100313 19:50:49< Aethaeryn> And not a newer game like MW2?
20100313 19:50:51< VurtualRuler98> I could shoot cans out of the air the first time I held a gun.
20100313 19:50:56< VurtualRuler98> Aethaeryn, guns don't come with one man army.
20100313 19:51:05< Zerovirus> Quake can make your average man who can afford a personal weapons platform mech that is controlled by an Xbox controller.
20100313 19:51:06< VurtualRuler98> Also console shooters don't help aim that much.
20100313 19:51:16< Gambit> console shooters teach you *not* to aim
20100313 19:51:31< VurtualRuler98> Zerovirus, who plays quake with an xbox controller
20100313 19:51:44< VurtualRuler98> Quake is one of those games where you could not play all controller vs all controller well at all.
20100313 19:51:45< Gambit> via aim asist, sticky reticule, or some combination of both.
20100313 19:52:05< Blarumyrran> VurtualRuler98, is quake on of those games where people respawn all the time?
20100313 19:52:15< VurtualRuler98> Yeah.
20100313 19:52:17< VurtualRuler98> ...
20100313 19:52:20< VurtualRuler98> You haven't played quake?
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20100313 19:52:22< Blarumyrran> THIS is the kind of ideological wuissification I'm talking about
20100313 19:52:24< Blarumyrran> Nop
20100313 19:52:25< VurtualRuler98> Where did your childhood go?
20100313 19:52:35< VurtualRuler98> Go play quake live right now.
20100313 19:52:46< VurtualRuler98> Your house might get nuked or something, you have little time.
20100313 19:52:47< Blarumyrran> Heroes of might and magic; Quest for glory; Hexen; Duke Nukem; Warlords 2; etc
20100313 19:52:47< Gambit> or else
20100313 19:53:09< Aethaeryn> But RPGs and strategy games don't teach you how to shoot people.
20100313 19:53:23< Blarumyrran> Hexen teaches me to cast fireballs at them
20100313 19:53:24< Aethaeryn> So they have no utility.
20100313 19:53:25< VurtualRuler98> or give you the reflexes
20100313 19:53:35< VurtualRuler98> Half-Life: Opposing Force used to hammer in reflexes.
20100313 19:53:37< Blarumyrran> And Duke Nukem taught me RPG means rocket-propelled grenade
20100313 19:53:47< Blarumyrran> which it doesn'
20100313 19:53:49< Blarumyrran> t
20100313 19:53:53< Blarumyrran> but still.
20100313 19:53:59< Aethaeryn> cuz you never know when you might need to use 12 guns.
20100313 19:54:10< Blarumyrran> yeah - especially the shrinking one
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20100313 19:54:17< VurtualRuler98> Where you'd be on some custom map, where you'll end up having a load of tau cannon ammo. Then you could launch yourself into the air and try to hit people while going fast.
20100313 19:54:38< Zerovirus> Halo teaches me to just barely touch people on the back of their heads with whatever I'm holding and expect them to fall over dead!
20100313 19:54:39< VurtualRuler98> You could eventually learn to headshot people and get anywhere quickly, or launch high into the sky.
20100313 19:54:44< Zerovirus> -assassination spree!-
20100313 19:54:47< Aethaeryn> I wonder how many people, if a revolution did come, would do some ridiculously stupid suicidal charges...
20100313 19:54:51< Blarumyrran> Aethaeryn, what RPG did you mean
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20100313 19:54:57< Gambit> That was fast.
20100313 19:54:58< wesbot> Gambit: Sometimes we are fast
20100313 19:54:58< Aethaeryn> And then wonder why they aren't respawning when they died.
20100313 19:55:03< Gambit> wow <_<
20100313 19:55:07< Gambit> webot go away
20100313 19:55:10< VurtualRuler98> Aethaeryn, and how many people would use that time in ArmA 2 to tactically outdo soldiers?
20100313 19:55:20< Zerovirus> I was in Washington DC and I considered briefly running toward the White House and screaming "Allah Akbar" at the top of my lungs with my backpack held above my heads once.
20100313 19:55:24< Zerovirus> I didn't do it :P
20100313 19:55:25< VurtualRuler98> And how many 'nam vets would end up forming groups of people to fight through the area?
20100313 19:55:58< VurtualRuler98> Zerovirus, you should go to the white house during some rare military loss
20100313 19:56:01< VurtualRuler98> If that happens, maybe
20100313 19:56:09< VurtualRuler98> And shout "YOU HAVE LOST THE LEAD", then run away into a crowd.
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20100313 19:56:10< sevis> Waitwait, so we should play quake so that if a revolution comes, we know how to *rocketjump*?
20100313 19:56:19< Blarumyrran> Yes
20100313 19:56:22< VurtualRuler98> No, quake teaches you reflexes, which are vital for shooting.
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20100313 19:56:39< VurtualRuler98> But if we DO figure out rocket jumping, knowing how to will make you an unstoppable force.
20100313 19:56:41< Blarumyrran> And Minesweeper teaches you to find mines!
20100313 19:56:46< Aethaeryn> lol
20100313 19:57:01< VurtualRuler98> I'd be pretty much doomed if I encountered a minesweeper-style challenge.
20100313 19:57:03< Blarumyrran> I'm the Minesweeper pro. I'll have an easy time if war comes
20100313 19:57:15< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: Again, shooting isn't very useful if you're killed thousands of miles away at the push of a button.
20100313 19:57:25< VurtualRuler98> Aethaeryn, it doesn't work that way.
20100313 19:57:33< Zerovirus> This is officially the best discussion evar
20100313 19:57:34< VurtualRuler98> Predator drones and the like fire AGM-114s and such.
20100313 19:57:44< VurtualRuler98> Mostly laser guided things.
20100313 19:57:50< Blarumyrran> Yeah, it works by rocketjumping
20100313 19:57:52< VurtualRuler98> And none of them track people that well.
20100313 19:58:04< Aethaeryn> So... just send a bigger bomb and just level the whole house?
20100313 19:58:06< Zerovirus> Seriously I'm laughing so hard I can't even control my mouse to sprite.
20100313 19:58:08< Gambit> SWBF2 teaches you how to go through walls :o
20100313 19:58:12< Aethaeryn> They somehow kill terrorists in mountains in Afghanistan...
20100313 19:58:20< Gambit> And how to throw anti personel mines at people
20100313 19:58:23< Aethaeryn> So why would someone in the Great Plains in a very known spot be safe?
20100313 19:58:25< VurtualRuler98> By finding them on foot.
20100313 19:58:58< VurtualRuler98> And they aren't outnumbered by that much, or morally confused, or facing well-maintained, modern weaponry.
20100313 19:59:08< Aethaeryn> Oh, btw, I'm now listening to "Gimme Back My Bullets" by Skynyrd. This conversation is too redneck *not* to.
20100313 19:59:11< VurtualRuler98> Or risking being ambushed by anti-tank weapons out of nowhere.
20100313 19:59:11< Zerovirus> And Team Fortress teaches you advanced espionage and engineering, correct?
20100313 19:59:25< VurtualRuler98> It teaches you to be credit to team.
20100313 19:59:26< Blarumyrran> modern weaponry, such as BFG4000
20100313 19:59:29< Gambit> Aethaeryn: SKYNYRD!
20100313 19:59:34< VurtualRuler98> Anyways
20100313 19:59:40< VurtualRuler98> And nobody's going to do the PR disaster of blowing up houses.
20100313 19:59:43< Gambit> Ballad of Curtis Lowe = Greatest song ever
20100313 19:59:52< VurtualRuler98> If it's anything politicians know, it's not doing things like that.
20100313 19:59:53< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: At this point, I think it'd be too late for PR?
20100313 20:00:03< Aethaeryn> And with the media in their pocket, they'd spin it
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20100313 20:00:17< VurtualRuler98> Play it off as terrorists/crazy people like that armored bulldozer guy and hope for the best.
20100313 20:00:38< Aethaeryn> If they could get away with Waco they can do anything.
20100313 20:01:07< Aethaeryn> Just paint any incident like crazy cultists/fundamentalists/whatever.
20100313 20:01:10< VurtualRuler98> Rather than causing a massive outrage at bombing houses in some amazingly foreshadowed manner, you could do something to not cause your own military to turn against you.
20100313 20:01:48< VurtualRuler98> Soldiers already had to make out their enemies to be complete monsters in order to fight them, and even then.
20100313 20:02:06< Zerovirus> Oh god I read that as "make out with their enemies".
20100313 20:02:11< Zerovirus> I'm a sick person D:
20100313 20:02:22< VurtualRuler98> Make love not war?
20100313 20:02:33< VurtualRuler98> Having your own family be in that bombsight was hard enough in the civil war, where it was a drastic huge thing.
20100313 20:03:08< VurtualRuler98> When you're the guy who can say no, and just not fire, saving lives that you honestly cannot force youself to think are just horrible monsters can really screw up you when you do take that.
20100313 20:03:17< Aethaeryn> Honestly, that's what it would take.
20100313 20:03:19< VurtualRuler98> It makes you feel like a murderer and have survivor guilt.
20100313 20:03:27< Aethaeryn> The military itself to go against commands.
20100313 20:03:31< Aethaeryn> In other words, a military coup. :P
20100313 20:03:40< Aethaeryn> So it *still* wouldn't be a ground-up revolution.
20100313 20:03:44< VurtualRuler98> More like "who needs you I'm joining the good guys"
20100313 20:03:50< Aethaeryn> Oh, good guys.
20100313 20:03:53< Blarumyrran> the good guys coup
20100313 20:03:56< Aethaeryn> what an objective term.
20100313 20:04:03< VurtualRuler98> They'd be saying that at least.
20100313 20:04:13< VurtualRuler98> I mean, it's not like they'll be going "I'm going to join the bad guys now."
20100313 20:04:14< Blarumyrran> Yeah, unlike the usual "join the dark side"
20100313 20:04:15< VurtualRuler98> Who does that?
20100313 20:04:20< Blarumyrran> darth vader
20100313 20:04:30< VurtualRuler98> And you can't fit those michevious twirly mustaches into gas masks.
20100313 20:04:41< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: Idk, they could be saying "I'm going to join the bad-ass guys now. You guys are just sissies."
20100313 20:04:44< Zerovirus> Stop giving me bad sprite ideas, IRC.
20100313 20:04:45< VurtualRuler98> And evil snickering is against radio silence terms.
20100313 20:04:58< VurtualRuler98> The military's equipment will probably not be in a state for coup.
20100313 20:05:08< Blarumyrran> Yeah, they'll only know quake
20100313 20:05:18< VurtualRuler98> That stopped being funny ages ago.
20100313 20:05:37< VurtualRuler98> And yes constnatly playing twitchy FPS games well will make you a good shot.
20100313 20:05:38< Blarumyrran> Why did you go with that then
20100313 20:05:42< Aethaeryn> I trained on Wolfenstein 3D, so I'll have excellent aim as long as I don't have to look up or down.
20100313 20:05:45< VurtualRuler98> A better shot at least.
20100313 20:05:47< Aethaeryn> They need to be at level with me.
20100313 20:06:13< VurtualRuler98> The higher ups would probably turn off radios and servers/send "DO ANNOYING THINGS" signals to planes so they barrel roll around until someone finds the right button.
20100313 20:06:29< Aethaeryn> I still stand by the fact that a revolution would be a stupid idea and that stockpiling is a waste of money.
20100313 20:06:33< VurtualRuler98> The B2 has remote control, right?
20100313 20:06:42< Aethaeryn> If the event ever came, you can just borrow from esr.
20100313 20:06:47< VurtualRuler98> esr?
20100313 20:07:01< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: http://esr.ibiblio.org/
20100313 20:07:04< Aethaeryn> He's a developer for Wesnoth.
20100313 20:07:12< Aethaeryn> And his blog is called "Armed and Dangerous"
20100313 20:07:14< Zerovirus> There's people here who don't know Wesnoth?
20100313 20:07:49< Aethaeryn> But, meh, elections... that's how you really change things in Washington.
20100313 20:07:56< Aethaeryn> No bullets wasted.
20100313 20:08:03< VurtualRuler98> That and gaining a huge amount of CHA
20100313 20:08:03< Aethaeryn> No violence necessary.
20100313 20:08:10< VurtualRuler98> Then talk your way through the government.
20100313 20:09:03< Aethaeryn> Maybe one day a violent revolution will be necessary, but it won't be in our lifetimes.
20100313 20:09:10< Aethaeryn> So stockpiling weapons = unnecessary.
20100313 20:09:31< Aethaeryn> Nowhere in the forseeable future
20100313 20:09:45< VurtualRuler98> I still have lots of them.
20100313 20:09:52< VurtualRuler98> What, it's not like people only have guns for revoting.
20100313 20:10:02< VurtualRuler98> We also have to be ready for zombies, we hunt, we just plain fire the guns at things for fun.
20100313 20:11:12< VurtualRuler98> And having them around is nice when you need to make fun of stuck-up people in the UK or Australia.
20100313 20:11:51< Aethaeryn> Zombies.
20100313 20:11:55< Aethaeryn> Okay, now you make sense.
20100313 20:11:58< Aethaeryn> I forgot about those
20100313 20:12:01< Aethaeryn> Nevermind, you're right.
20100313 20:12:15< Aethaeryn> Sign me up for the nearest Zombie Preparation Militia.
20100313 20:12:48< Aethaeryn> Anyway, bbl
20100313 20:12:55< VurtualRuler98> Okay.
20100313 20:12:59< VurtualRuler98> I know a few forums.
20100313 20:16:13< Gambit> Lemon Juice + Baking Soda > Vinager + Baking Soda :o
20100313 20:17:28< VurtualRuler98> a bit of rust+scraped up bike parts/cans
20100313 20:17:30< VurtualRuler98> way better
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20100313 20:17:34< VurtualRuler98> Just add heat.
20100313 20:18:53< VurtualRuler98> Also quake players have an advantage if you get quad damages.
20100313 20:19:26< Gambit> Yeah but they could get the same boost from Sauerbraten for free :o
20100313 20:19:59< VurtualRuler98> But that game sucks.
20100313 20:20:03< VurtualRuler98> Like, really really sucks.
20100313 20:20:06< Gambit> BOOO
20100313 20:20:17< Gambit> It has the best map editor I've ever seen
20100313 20:20:18< VurtualRuler98> I played it alot, got really tired of how knockoffy and weird it was.
20100313 20:20:20< Gambit> Well easiest editor
20100313 20:20:37< VurtualRuler98> I say the easiest editor is the one for D&D
20100313 20:20:40< VurtualRuler98> IMAGINAAATION
20100313 20:20:59< VurtualRuler98> Tell me another game where you can have helicopter zombie tank robots that rampage through a city.
20100313 20:22:25< Gambit> Wesnoth
20100313 20:23:56< VurtualRuler98> Just by saying the sentence?
20100313 20:24:29< Gambit> If you're a high enough level WML wizard 
20100313 20:25:00< VurtualRuler98> I cast modern war game.
20100313 20:25:03< VurtualRuler98> But it failed.
20100313 20:37:03< Gambit> FF13 != RPG
20100313 20:37:20< Gambit> There is no role playing.
20100313 20:38:05< Gambit> But it's a very good adventure game.
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20100313 20:38:39< Zerovirus> (!=)!=(=/=)
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20100313 20:40:59< Zerovirus> Ugh. Finally finished the Braveheart line for EotF. So tireeeedddd.
20100313 20:42:58< Gambit|AFK|Guess> also: people who form "alliances" in reality TV shows are RETARDED
20100313 20:43:06< Gambit|AFK|Guess> What can you really do?
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20100313 20:49:49< Zerovirus> Farewell to all denizens of IRC who are marginally interested. Now go do something in the workshop. I'll be disappointed if I come back and don't find any art workshop updates.
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20100313 21:15:21< zenhoobbit> some1 want to play?
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20100313 21:17:40< shadowmaster> Gambit|AFK|Guess: you can't stop talking randomness about me during the night, eh?
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20100313 21:36:57< Gambit|AFK|Guess> During the morning
20100313 21:37:49< Aethaeryn> Gambit|AFK|Guess: During any time? :P
20100313 21:37:56< shadowmaster> it's *my* night
20100313 21:37:59< Aethaeryn> You are a very off-topic person, but that's okay, we have a lot in common.
20100313 21:38:12< shadowmaster> ah well, and later in the morning too
20100313 21:38:34< Aethaeryn> Gambit|AFK|Guess: We ought to collaborate on something someday.
20100313 21:38:49< Gambit|AFK|Guess> Well you can come down to my office and fill out a form.
20100313 21:38:55< Aethaeryn> Probably not this year, too many projects qued up.
20100313 21:40:54< Gambit|AFK|Guess> Maybe in 1.10?
20100313 21:40:56< Gambit|AFK|Guess> :P
20100313 21:41:14< Gambit|AFK|Guess> We should do an addon with a web interface!
20100313 21:41:18< Gambit|AFK|Guess> oh... wait. nevermind.
20100313 21:41:25 * Gambit|AFK|Guess goes back to FF13 now
20100313 21:43:43< Aethaeryn> meh. I'm sick of commercial gaming altogether.
20100313 21:44:03< shadowmaster> gamers for money? :P
20100313 21:44:05< Aethaeryn> Traditional gaming model is: Them -> $$$ -> Us.
20100313 21:44:21< Aethaeryn> Wesnoth's model is: Them -> Free Download -> Us -> Them.
20100313 21:44:43< Aethaeryn> Not only do you get input, either by patching or making UMCs (whether mainlined or forever UMC), you don't have to pay for it!
20100313 21:44:49< Aethaeryn> I wish there were more games like that.
20100313 21:45:34< shadowmaster> Wesnoth's model isn't very unique, eh?
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20100313 21:53:40< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Wesnoth seems to be the best to do it, especially with how UMC is semi-integrated via an add-on server. Never really seen something *that* good at integrating UMC
20100313 21:53:54< Aethaeryn> especially at mainlining the good ones, on top of a well-integrated UMC server
20100313 21:54:17< Aethaeryn> Plenty of games have good UMC, but you have to manually download archive files from 3rd party websites and install it, or wait for paid-for expansion packs.
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20100313 22:40:04< Gambit|AFK|Guess> Real men shed just a single tear during really sad cutscenes.
20100313 22:40:25< shadowmaster> is that Wesnoth?
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20100313 23:12:42< shadowmaster> Zerovirus: running away from #wesnoth-umc-dev?
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20100313 23:13:00< Zerovirus> Shadowmaster: Just poked head in to see what it was like. Not many people :P
20100313 23:13:22< shadowmaster> which means I don't have to worry about noise
20100313 23:13:25< shadowmaster> or bot abuse, etc.
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20100313 23:14:17< Zerovirus> Does that kind of thing come up often? Also, while we're on the topic, what was with yesterday's minor server failure?
20100313 23:14:30< shadowmaster> no, it doesn't come up often unless Gambit's around.
20100313 23:15:06< Zerovirus> Eh... Uh-huh. >.>
20100313 23:15:07< shadowmaster> there were two separate issues yesterday. One was a problem with our DNS provider, and the other was a planned downtime from our host provider for maintenance of the server facilities
20100313 23:16:27< Zerovirus> I see. I'm so bored I'm going through any Wesnothian's blog that I can get my mouse on. :P
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20100313 23:28:51< shadowmaster> Zerovirus: sounds like fun
20100313 23:29:14< shadowmaster> difficult since most of Wesnoth's community members are very...boring.
20100313 23:31:59< Zerovirus> Ayup
20100313 23:32:07< Zerovirus> So instead I'm downloading random addons and playing them
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