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20100315 00:12:11< Gambit> Even french!
20100315 00:13:10-!- Aethaeryn is now known as MikeJB
20100315 00:13:35< Gambit> Are there any human programming languages written for something other than English?
20100315 00:14:16< MikeJB> Google it.
20100315 00:14:23< MikeJB> If it's been thought of, it exists.
20100315 00:14:25< Gambit> nevermind. wikipedia is your friend.
20100315 00:14:30< Gambit> And there is a porn of it?
20100315 00:14:32< MikeJB> The question is if there's any *popular* ones.
20100315 00:14:37< sevis> I've seen a Russian translation of Delphi...
20100315 00:14:40< Gambit> And a female version.
20100315 00:14:49< MikeJB> Yeah, unfortunately, people tend to think about porn when they think about stuff.
20100315 00:15:01< MikeJB> Which thus actually makes rule 32 (or 38 or whatever it is) a corollary of *my* rule :P
20100315 00:15:16< MikeJB> Since it's more general. Of course, it's not my rule because someone has probably said it.
20100315 00:15:30< Gambit> "if it can be said, it can be ssaid with a picture"?
20100315 00:15:45< Gambit> I rather think that everything can also be summarized with a youtube video.
20100315 00:16:10< Gambit> Given that the video still exists and wasn't removed. As was the case yesterday when you said that "nothing is original anymore" and I asked you to hold your thought...
20100315 00:16:58< Gambit> rule 38 is that if it exists there is a plushie of it (I think)
20100315 00:18:49< Gambit> What is Delphi?
20100315 00:19:13< Gambit> wait nevermind. google again.
20100315 00:20:09< MikeJB> hmm...
20100315 00:20:58< MikeJB> The one bad thing about YouTube is that lynx doesn't support it afaik
20100315 00:21:09< MikeJB> the best browser in the world.
20100315 00:47:42< Gambit> iyho
20100315 00:48:19< Gambit> imho IE7 takes that title.
20100315 00:52:00< MikeJB> IE?
20100315 00:52:34< MikeJB> Imho, no one who calls themselves a web developer likes anything that uses the acronym "IE" 
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20100315 01:43:28< VurtualRuler98> Hm, if I learned wml, I could do one of those scenarios where you terraform and build.
20100315 01:43:43< VurtualRuler98> It'll probably take 10 years.
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20100315 02:02:10< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: Real men don't just make one scenario.
20100315 02:02:19< Gambit> They make it work with any scenario the end user wants.
20100315 02:02:34< VurtualRuler98> Well yeah.
20100315 02:02:42< Gambit>  /more shameless self advertisement
20100315 02:02:47< VurtualRuler98> But it'd be a good start, and having special natural maps would be great.
20100315 02:03:29< VurtualRuler98> And just to check: Nobody's done a civ-like survival scenario/mode where you can mine ores that occour in the map, and slowly advance, while constructing RTS-like factories, have they?
20100315 02:04:01< Gambit> Um yes
20100315 02:04:14< Gambit> I put the macro includes inside the era.
20100315 02:04:20< Gambit> So you can pair it with *any* scenario.
20100315 02:04:27< Gambit> I'm told GEB/Survival Extreme is fun
20100315 02:04:44< Gambit> And I gave it some actual compatability with The High Seas by checking for THS specific variables at prestart
20100315 02:04:52< VurtualRuler98> I mean, I know there are lots of survival scenarios/things.
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20100315 02:05:36< VurtualRuler98> But I've been sitting infront of my laptop thinking about some super-era/scenario which is like some combination of Wesnoth(naturally), Civilization, and Total Annihilation all together.
20100315 02:06:11< Gambit> What is Total Annihilation's main features/perks?
20100315 02:06:16< VurtualRuler98> Well it was an rts.
20100315 02:06:28< VurtualRuler98> Set in a grim future where two sides are locked in combat yadda yadda
20100315 02:06:31< Gambit> Well I don't think WML lets you do that :P
20100315 02:06:37< VurtualRuler98> Well it'd be turn-based still
20100315 02:06:51< Gambit> So civ features, on the wesnoth engine, set in TA's setting?
20100315 02:07:00< VurtualRuler98> civ and ta features
20100315 02:07:05< VurtualRuler98> with a civ-like setting, on wesnoth.
20100315 02:07:43< Gambit> Okay I asked about TA features and all you mentioned was story :P I guess I jumped to conclusions.
20100315 02:07:53< VurtualRuler98> But the game was, well, building things like sollar collectors to increase energy flow, metal extractors as a universal resource, using your commander unit, RTS defenses, and factories, which produced units out.
20100315 02:08:08< shadowmaster> major blackouts in Chile :/
20100315 02:08:21< Gambit> Have you ever played GEB?
20100315 02:08:27< VurtualRuler98> Which is that?
20100315 02:08:41< Gambit> It has various resource sources, sub commanders, defenses, factories, and different buildings that produce different units
20100315 02:08:43< VurtualRuler98> I might maybe have, maybe, and don't remember enough to call it by name.
20100315 02:08:48< Gambit> acronym for Gambit's Empire Builder
20100315 02:08:53< VurtualRuler98> no I haven't.
20100315 02:09:33< VurtualRuler98> Even then, making something like this would be a great way to try making things for Wesnoth, then I can just churn out all my ideas and toy with them, until I become good enough to make something almost worth worrying about.
20100315 02:09:45< Gambit> Basically you take ANL, add *all* of the terrains, take out all the story restrictions, and add a lot of new units, some with bizare WML abilities
20100315 02:09:49< ancestral> You mean Gambit's Elephant Brander?
20100315 02:10:10 * ancestral would like to better mark which elephants are his and which are his neighbors
20100315 02:10:29< Gambit> They make elephant collars.
20100315 02:10:31< Gambit> With bells
20100315 02:10:45< VurtualRuler98> Bells with family crests?
20100315 02:11:08< VurtualRuler98> I already have sketches for the resource buildings, how I'll probably have units done(CIV-like?), and all sorts of pseudo-code ideas. I think it's ready enough to try doing.
20100315 02:11:13< Gambit> They're actually  for farmers who want to know when there are elephants sneaking in and eating their crop, but if you paint something on the bells they'd work.
20100315 02:11:26< Gambit> Of course the elephants have learned to stuff the bells with mud to keep them silent
20100315 02:11:50< VurtualRuler98> Can an era/scenario easily mod in more terrain types? Or just graphical tiles that have function?
20100315 02:12:15< Gambit> Um yes you can easily mod the terrain. Check for if they have x amount of resource y, and if so apply the [terrain] tag.
20100315 02:12:41< Gambit> copy/paste for 60 odd terrain types and BOOM a Civ clone.
20100315 02:12:46< VurtualRuler98> I mean like.
20100315 02:13:03< ancestral> Anyone ever play Romance of the Three Kingdoms series of video games?
20100315 02:13:04< VurtualRuler98> Having new building-sprites for villages, maybe unique terrain that derives qualities from others or not?
20100315 02:13:09< ancestral> I want a Wesnoth scenario like that
20100315 02:13:26< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: yes you can make new terrains.
20100315 02:13:30< VurtualRuler98> Because that changes wether I just have village-types applied, or specially sprited villages, or some whole new thing.
20100315 02:13:39< VurtualRuler98> Okay, so this may just be feasable.
20100315 02:15:23< Gambit> And if you can't get that working, I know a really long work around that uses the [item] tag.
20100315 02:16:34< Gambit> You lose the healing+8 and the automated income with that way, but you can give the building whatever custom options (like spawning units) you wanted.
20100315 02:18:03< Zerovirus> oh lord this isn't another UMC you're making Gambit are you?
20100315 02:18:37< Gambit> No.
20100315 02:18:45< Gambit> It's one I already made :o
20100315 02:18:56< Gambit> My first/biggest in fact ;)
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20100315 02:19:20< Zerovirus> Hay Gambit I'd like to propose to you an UMC idea
20100315 02:19:27< Gambit> heh
20100315 02:19:31< Zerovirus> Dwarf Fortress, the Wesnoth version
20100315 02:19:57< Zerovirus> (obviously not as complex but the basic idea- build, mine, produce, trade, defend)
20100315 02:20:31< Gambit> Interesting.
20100315 02:20:46< Gambit> The one feature you didn't mention is the one I actually have planned to take a stab at this summer.
20100315 02:20:52< Gambit> Procedural generated worlds.
20100315 02:20:57< Gambit> err solar systems ;)
20100315 02:21:15< Zerovirus> All I heard in the previous discussion was elephant and I instantly thought DF. :P
20100315 02:21:30< Gambit> build, mine, produce, trade, and defend all sound like things you'd find in GEB.
20100315 02:21:48< Zerovirus> If you program it I will produce all graphics. Levers, Sluices, Gears, Supplies Like Metal And Whatever, etc.
20100315 02:22:06< Zerovirus> Wait, what's GEB again? I don't delve into UMC much :P
20100315 02:22:15< Gambit> GAH
20100315 02:22:18< Gambit> shikadibot: GEB?
20100315 02:22:18< shikadibot> Sorry, I don't know what 'GEB' means...
20100315 02:22:44< Zerovirus> >.>
20100315 02:22:51< shadowmaster> Gambit: stop it
20100315 02:23:13< Zerovirus> Lol Gambit. You break this rule all the time don't you :P
20100315 02:23:18< Gambit> GEB is the biggest wesnoth addon for building, resource management, and etc
20100315 02:23:32< Gambit> It has more features than 100 swiss army knives :P
20100315 02:24:02< Zerovirus> What does GEB stand for?
20100315 02:24:11< Zerovirus> gambitbot: GEB?
20100315 02:24:13< shadowmaster> Gambit's Empire Builder
20100315 02:24:24< ancestral> It can be yours with four easy payments of $0
20100315 02:24:26< Gambit> You can mine, fish, cut forests, trade with other players, build things, tear things down, burn things down
20100315 02:24:33< Zerovirus> ...going to try it out.
20100315 02:24:35< ancestral> Download now, servers are standing by
20100315 02:24:41< Gambit> It includes almost every mainline units
20100315 02:24:46< Gambit> and a few dozen UMC ones
20100315 02:24:52< Zerovirus> But can you build a fortress in the side of a mountain? O.O
20100315 02:24:56< Gambit> Yes
20100315 02:25:08< Zerovirus> o.o
20100315 02:25:11< Gambit> You can take a mage into a cave and enchant a bit of rock and turn it into a golem
20100315 02:25:14< Zerovirus> I have found new meaning in Wesnoth
20100315 02:25:25< ancestral> Can you grow mushrooms on frozen tundra?
20100315 02:25:48< Gambit> You can melt the frozen tundra, convert it to cave and plant mushrooms on it
20100315 02:25:59< Zerovirus> ...You don't happen to need graphics do you? :P
20100315 02:26:05< ancestral> Can you train a balloon bridge to infiltrate a castle in the clouds?
20100315 02:26:08< Gambit> You can built a ship, stuff 15 nuclear bombs in it, and sail it down to your enemie's base
20100315 02:26:33< ancestral> Can you have it clean the cat litter?
20100315 02:26:45< ancestral> (Please say yes, please say yes…"
20100315 02:26:45< Gambit> Or you can sell units to the other players and let them kill each other whilst you enjoy building
20100315 02:26:53< Zerovirus> Wait you can have nukes?
20100315 02:26:53< Zerovirus> O.O
20100315 02:27:01< Gambit> I once observed a game in which, to keep peace, the players organized a sort of gladiator arena
20100315 02:27:15< Gambit> They built a big ring with varied terrain and snet their soldiers their to fight
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20100315 02:27:40< Gambit> You can kidnap enemy peasants >:)
20100315 02:27:47-!- mode/#wesnoth [+q-o *!*@wesnoth/*/bot/* shadowmaster] by shadowmaster
20100315 02:27:47< Gambit> >:[
20100315 02:27:53< Zerovirus> ...
20100315 02:28:07< Zerovirus> Oh, how's Wesnoth Battlefront going?
20100315 02:28:28< Gambit> It started out as ANL without a story. Because with no story comes freedom to build what you want. But then I just kept adding and adding and adding and adding.
20100315 02:28:38< Gambit> Zerovirus: Like all of my projects, it isn't coming at all :(
20100315 02:29:02< ancestral> Stay on targe…t
20100315 02:29:23< ancestral> Ellipsis troubles  :x 
20100315 02:29:32< Zerovirus> Trying GEB now...
20100315 02:29:32< Gambit> Has nobody here played GEB?
20100315 02:29:35< Zerovirus> I have no idea how to play but whatever :p
20100315 02:31:57< Zerovirus> Okay so I'm basically in a boxed keep?
20100315 02:32:09< Gambit> Recruit some peasants 
20100315 02:32:19< Gambit> then move them to the ford
20100315 02:33:01< Zerovirus> Ah.
20100315 02:35:06< Gambit> And don't play the single player campaign
20100315 02:35:11< Gambit> it's bull****
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20100315 02:35:52< Zerovirus> Nope, not doing that :P Doing the mp era on local game against myself
20100315 02:36:15< Zerovirus> Whoa base location list galore.
20100315 02:36:27< Zerovirus> The cave? The other cave? The big toe?
20100315 02:36:33< Zerovirus> Man you need some better names. I hope they're labeled.
20100315 02:36:47< Gambit> erm no. just coords
20100315 02:37:00< Gambit> you can look for a shiny thing where you want to head to and get the coordinates
20100315 02:37:20< Zerovirus> Yeah, you need some labels there.
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20100315 02:38:10< Hulavuta> hi
20100315 02:38:22< Gambit> hi
20100315 02:38:50< Zerovirus> Okay forget this, I'll try a small map.
20100315 02:39:15< Gambit> Yeah...
20100315 02:39:24< Gambit> It works on the default maps btw
20100315 02:39:42< Gambit> Not quite as much wood.
20100315 02:39:59< Gambit> But my auto growing forests thinger helps that.
20100315 02:40:16< Zerovirus> Whoa you have way too many features man.
20100315 02:40:32< Gambit> The trees grow and die automatically >:[
20100315 02:40:37< Gambit> Took forever to get it to look nice.
20100315 02:41:04< Gambit> Zerovirus: Options are Good
20100315 02:41:27< Zerovirus> I agree there.
20100315 02:42:45< fendrin> Gambit: Hello, did you had a look on my new editor release?
20100315 02:44:40< Gambit> Not the latest version.
20100315 02:45:42< fendrin> The latest version is able to save working multiplayer scenarios.
20100315 02:45:51< Zerovirus> Hmm. GEB seems similar to what I'm imagining... Except more cave walls and more rooms :P
20100315 02:46:47< Zerovirus> What do structures do?
20100315 02:46:48< Gambit> What map are you playing it on?
20100315 02:47:25< Gambit> Depends on the structure :P Recruiters allow you to train peasants into soldiers. Churches allow you to boost/heal units.
20100315 02:47:46< Gambit> Taverns let you buy drinks (which modify the unit's alignment) and recruit dwarves and outlaws
20100315 02:48:15< Gambit> Courtyards let you recruit various new types of units, and if your leader is the one on it you can access the bank.
20100315 02:48:21< Zerovirus> Huts?
20100315 02:48:25< Gambit> Money in the bank *does* collect interest
20100315 02:48:38< Gambit> Huts allow you to recruit without a leader. Mages can call peasants from huts.
20100315 02:48:52< Gambit> So you can setup other camps/settlements that wouldn't need a leader.
20100315 02:48:53< Zerovirus> Why only magi and peasants in the beginning?
20100315 02:49:03< Zerovirus> so complex
20100315 02:49:07< Zerovirus> reminds me why I never got into DF
20100315 02:49:11< Gambit> Though in the next version I hope to take advantage of the new "multiple leader" feature.
20100315 02:49:33< Gambit> Blacksmiths allow human units to upgrade weapons and armor
20100315 02:49:40< Gambit> And they also allow mechanical units to buy instant level ups.
20100315 02:50:07< Gambit> Shipyards are for building/repairing ships
20100315 02:50:17< Zerovirus> I can see a single MP game taking a week to finish.
20100315 02:50:19< Gambit> Windmills let you sell wood and food for a lot of cash.
20100315 02:50:24< Gambit> If you're lucky :P
20100315 02:50:32< Gambit> Unless you're playing against union19
20100315 02:50:39< Gambit> That guy is a freaking pro. 
20100315 02:51:06< Gambit> You can make them take forever if you just like building.
20100315 02:51:35< Zerovirus> :P
20100315 02:53:01< Zerovirus> Lol, Gambit the master bowman.
20100315 02:53:56< Gambit> The single player campaign is broken. There's a patch in the forum thread you'll need
20100315 02:54:01< Gambit> But it's still unfinished and lame.
20100315 02:55:24< Zerovirus> Yeah, I was like "right click omg wut"
20100315 02:56:40< Gambit> Someone was planning to write a campaign for it this summer.
20100315 02:56:51< Gambit> Rhish.
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20100315 02:59:43< Gambit> Btw, I am flattered that you offered to do art for it, but I really don't plan on adding any much more to it.
20100315 02:59:58< Gambit> If it gets anymore bloated it will explode :P
20100315 03:00:31< Zerovirus> I want gear systems, elevation, and magma-based pump superweapons just like in DF D:<
20100315 03:02:26< Gambit> GEB of the future :o
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20100315 03:03:06< Zerovirus> Oh come on you've seen the random stuff DF players build for the heck of it
20100315 03:03:16< Zerovirus> like magma floodgates to destroy everything outside the gates
20100315 03:03:48 * Gambit has never played DF
20100315 03:04:14< Zerovirus> ... You really need to.
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20100315 03:04:21< ancestral> DF = ?
20100315 03:04:29< Gambit> Dwarven Fortress
20100315 03:04:47< ancestral> Oh
20100315 03:05:01< Gambit> is there an open source clone?
20100315 03:05:26< Zerovirus> uhhh... I don't know, but I'm pretty sure you can easily mod it because everything, like Wesnoth, is contained in text files.
20100315 03:06:03 * Gambit is watching the generator on youtube
20100315 03:06:16< Gambit> That looks a lot like what I want to do with Dynamica. Except a lot more complicated
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20100315 03:17:27< PARLIAMENT> does anybody think that the princess and battle princess icons from HttT are awful
20100315 03:17:52< PARLIAMENT> I love the character portrait art but the icons dont look like that at all
20100315 03:18:37< PARLIAMENT> and why would you wear a chain mail blouse with bare arms and legs
20100315 03:19:45< PARLIAMENT> I tried adding some leather leggings but my drawing abilities are horrible
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20100315 05:37:03< anirban> Hello all
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20100315 05:37:24< anirban> I am facing a problem in Wesnoth, may I ask it here?
20100315 05:38:07< anirban> I mean, I have a strategy related Problem. Can I ask the question here?
20100315 05:39:01< anirban> Hello? Is there anybody present here? If so, please reply, :)
20100315 05:40:08< anirban> Oh God, I think nobody is here. Let me go to somewhere else, :(
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20100315 05:56:25< rocket16> Hello all. Just created a new Channel on Wesnoth-Strategies, please join if you wish, :)
20100315 05:57:57< rocket16> One more thing, earlier I saw that I had been banned from #wesnoth. What could have been the reason? (A person told me that it is for SockPuppetry, but believe me, I haven't commited it)
20100315 05:59:32< rocket16> Please, am I totally boycotted here? If I have done anything wrong, I am really sorry, :(
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20100315 06:00:09< rocket16> Hello ancertral, :)
20100315 06:00:17< rocket16> * ancestral
20100315 06:00:28< ancestral> Hi ricketman
20100315 06:00:32< ancestral> Er
20100315 06:00:41< ancestral> rocket16
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20100315 06:01:08< rocket16> So, do you play Wesnoth Ancestral?
20100315 06:01:23< ancestral> No thanks, not atm
20100315 06:01:39< rocket16> Oh, no problem. 
20100315 06:01:55< rocket16> Just eager to know how to counter Drakes, really a problem.
20100315 06:03:06< rocket16> For the Drakes, I had to switch to Elves from Undead. Oh man, the Ghouls were my favourite, :(
20100315 06:03:50< ancestral> Maybe later
20100315 06:04:18< rocket16> So, what is the way to Counter Drakes with Elves? Many use only Gliders to take over villages. I tried to copy that with the Riders, but riders are easily killed in villages, unlike Gliders
20100315 06:06:33< rocket16> Sevis? Are you online?
20100315 06:07:31< rocket16> Friend Ancestral, would you like join join my new Channel, if you please? :)
20100315 06:07:42< ancestral> Uh
20100315 06:07:43< ancestral> No?
20100315 06:07:51 * ancestral is confised
20100315 06:07:55< ancestral> *confused
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20100315 06:08:37< rocket16> To do it, simple type "/join wesnoth-strategies" It is about Wesnoth Strategies,
20100315 06:08:49< ancestral> I'm kind of busy atm, sorry
20100315 06:08:57< ancestral> No disrespect
20100315 06:09:00< ancestral> intended
20100315 06:09:01< rocket16> No Problem, :)
20100315 06:09:13< Blarumyrran> But lots of unintended disrespect
20100315 06:09:18< John_R> elves vs drakes, use shaman/archer combo
20100315 06:09:54< rocket16> Thanks John, I tried that earlier too, but those Gliders, I shiver at their sight, :)
20100315 06:10:12< John_R> problem with drakes is movement
20100315 06:10:18< John_R> you have to zoc them asap
20100315 06:10:35< rocket16> Yes, thats the point. The riders can match them, but not on water.
20100315 06:12:17< rocket16> Anyway, if anybody is interested to join my channel, please kindly do it, by using "/join wesnoth-strategies". It is a small one, about Wesnoth STrategies and anything you like.
20100315 06:16:34< VurtualRuler98> I think I got halfway to making an era launch.
20100315 06:16:57< VurtualRuler98> But nope, still not visible in mp, best try at it again tomorrow.
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20100315 10:36:46< Ivanovic> moin
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20100315 12:57:32< rocket16> Hello all
20100315 12:58:19< rocket16> Friend Ivanovic, Espreon told me that I need your permission to create a new Channel related to Wesnoth. So, please give me permissions to do so, if needed.
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20100315 13:07:24< rocket16> Do I really need to get Ivanovic or any other person's permission to start another Wesnoth Channel?
20100315 13:07:34< rocket16> Please reply, I really need help.
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20100315 13:08:15< rocket16> Anybody?
20100315 13:08:55< rocket16> In Ubuntu Channel, people are much quicker to reply, and here, I hardly even catch the attention of any person, :(
20100315 13:09:37< rocket16> A final request, please answer, anyone, I will be beneficial to him/her,
20100315 13:11:22< rocket16> Nobody, Ok, I finally quit #wesnoth, this silent channel, and am heading for a better channel, #ubuntu, from which, you should learn something.
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20100315 13:12:58< Blarumyrran> Poor rocket16, nobody loved him :(
20100315 13:13:38< zookeeper> awesome.
20100315 13:21:50< Ivanovic> re
20100315 13:22:01< Ivanovic> wow, 15mins without reply and already leaving...
20100315 13:22:42< Ivanovic> do people not consider that some others do have something like "real life" which includes stuff like "working", "learning" or the likes?
20100315 13:26:21< zookeeper> Ivanovic, it was rocket16
20100315 13:26:34< Ivanovic> should this tell me anything?
20100315 13:26:35< zookeeper> (we've been muting and banning him before, he's just a troublemaker)
20100315 13:27:20< Ivanovic> ahhhh
20100315 13:28:10< Blarumyrran> It's alright, he will always be with us - he is in a better channel now
20100315 13:37:47< shadowmaster> ah, too bad.
20100315 13:38:00< shadowmaster> I came too late to the party
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20100315 13:41:14< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: looks like i was too late, too
20100315 13:41:35< Ivanovic> but hey, i only had 15mins in a time when i expected to be at university for a meeting about my final thesis anway
20100315 13:41:49< Ivanovic> (the meeting was canceled or i would not have replied this soon)
20100315 13:42:02< shadowmaster> and the wifi at the subway wasn't working so I had to arrive to uni before being able to connect
20100315 13:42:21< Ivanovic> :)
20100315 13:49:22< Blarumyrran> wifi always creeps me out - with a cable I always get that nice feeling that when the cable is connected to my computer, stuff travels and when there is no cable, stuff doesn't travel by it; but in a wifi area I always have the feeling that somehow someone is looking into my computer right now by means I can't possibly see
20100315 13:49:42< Blarumyrran> and that is creepy
20100315 13:51:42< shadowmaster> and you can blame wifi for allowing me to annoy you every day
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20100315 15:01:26< landscape69> could it be that the wesnoth 1.7.15 = 1.8 final ?
20100315 15:02:09< Gambit> No there will be release cantidates now.
20100315 15:04:01< landscape69> Gambit: ah ok thanks
20100315 15:11:53< Rhonda> 1.7.15 is rc1
20100315 15:12:30< Rhonda> That means that there is hope that it will be possible for it to stay compatible with the upcoming 1.8 final.
20100315 15:12:51< Rhonda> But there will still be changes coming on, especially with respect to translations.
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20100315 15:27:55< landscape69> is the version 1.7x compatible and plyable with 1.6.5?
20100315 15:29:12< Blarumyrran> no
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20100315 15:37:09< Gambit> 1.8 final != 1.6.5
20100315 15:39:48< Rhonda> Gambit: So? :)
20100315 15:39:56< Rhonda> 1.7x != 1.8 final
20100315 15:40:01 * Rhonda likes equations.
20100315 15:40:37< Gambit> http://www.guzer.com/pictures/findx.jpg
20100315 15:41:25< Rhonda> 'sactly!
20100315 15:41:30< Blarumyrran> Of course he got 0 points
20100315 15:41:44< Blarumyrran> Anyone familiar with tricked questions would've pointed at the x in the question
20100315 15:41:44< Rhonda> WHY!
20100315 15:41:54< Rhonda> Oh.
20100315 15:42:01< Rhonda> Right, it's even a different font.
20100315 15:42:05< Blarumyrran> Mhm
20100315 15:42:10< Blarumyrran> And different coordinates!
20100315 15:42:27< Gambit> I would do the sarcastic bit and then right "but the value of x is" then right the answer. That way you get to be a smart arse, and still get an A+
20100315 15:42:36< Gambit> *write
20100315 15:42:37< Gambit> :s
20100315 15:42:42< Blarumyrran> I was a smart-ass once
20100315 15:42:52< Smar> you’re always though.
20100315 15:43:25< Blarumyrran> In school in biology, we were given pictures, and asked to "describe them" - they had reliefs of forests and soil and flora and fauna
20100315 15:43:56< Blarumyrran> It was groupwork, and I wrote for our group of 2 that "It needs more blue"
20100315 15:44:18< Blarumyrran> We got 1 as marks. Later, I would repair my mark, but I never told my groupmate :>
20100315 15:45:22< Gambit> When preparing for the state exams we were told of a studen who got an open ended question "Come up with a way to save natural resources". He wrote several paragraphs on the paper, and other resources that would be saved by no longer having state exams.
20100315 15:45:56< Gambit> It was well written but they gave him a 0 for "off topic".
20100315 15:46:17< Rhonda> My default answer in school was "it depends".
20100315 15:46:29< Blarumyrran> And what do you do if you're asked "on what"
20100315 15:46:55< Rhonda> Usually at least followed by describing what additional constraints were missing in the specification.
20100315 15:47:06< Rhonda> The proper answer then was regularly handed to someone else. :P
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20100315 15:47:56< Gambit> Heh.
20100315 15:48:37< Blarumyrran> already on your way of adopting to the software business
20100315 15:48:53< Rhonda> Yes, when being a smartass you should be able to outsmart them properly.
20100315 15:49:07< Gambit> Our school actually rewards students who find errors on the tests...
20100315 15:49:16< Gambit> There are so many of them -_-
20100315 15:49:47< Rhonda> Well, to some degree I still think that pointing out errors in the specification got me my former job.
20100315 15:50:12< Rhonda> But hell, there was an ";" missing as command seperator for that commandline thing of which they wanted to know the output.
20100315 15:50:32< Gambit> So the output is an error :P
20100315 15:50:33< Blarumyrran> You could've told them the output
20100315 15:50:35< Blarumyrran> yeah
20100315 15:50:59< Blarumyrran> Although then I'd probably not have hired you in place of them :P
20100315 15:51:06< Rhonda> Blarumyrran: Did of course both. Not both outputs, but rather the "obvious" one they were aming for including the mistake.
20100315 15:51:41< Gambit> Did you ever get a chance to look at the job applications... say two weeks later?
20100315 15:52:20< Gambit> app/exam/thinger.
20100315 15:55:44< Rhonda> You mean that it might have been done on intention? I'm certain that that wasn't the case, I worked with them for over six years. ;)
20100315 15:58:38< Gambit> Well there are a few possibilities. They didn't change it and it was intentional. They didn't change it and they're lazy. They didn't change it and you raised their standards (they now want people to spot that). They changed it because it wasn't intentional.
20100315 16:00:05< Rhonda> I think they changed it, they reworked … actually I have the filled in report of someone who was trying to pick up my job.
20100315 16:00:21< Rhonda> Haven't looked at that part, he just was adding totally crap. %-)
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20100315 19:56:20< Gambit> Gunter glieben glauchen globen
20100315 19:56:40< zookeeper> wunderbar.
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20100315 22:08:41< Aethaeryn> I would like to see a deathmatch between Glenn Beck and Michael Moore.
20100315 22:09:09< Aethaeryn> That would solve all of America's problems.
20100315 22:11:53< Aethaeryn> I think that Glenn Beck just used the Chewbacka Defense from that one South Park episode...
20100315 22:12:07< Aethaeryn> Talk about something completely unrelated and say "that makes no sense."
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20100315 22:26:50< noy> Aethaeryn: Jon Stewart skewered him really badly last week
20100315 22:27:09< noy> Probably one of the best episodes he's ever had
20100315 22:28:10< Aethaeryn> The problem is Glenn Beck does *exactly* what he calls his critics out on: Appealing to emotion rather than to reason.
20100315 22:28:19< Aethaeryn> Does that make him a hypocrite?
20100315 22:30:02< noy> uh, he tries to use reason.
20100315 22:30:12< noy> and history... or his version of it
20100315 22:30:51< Aethaeryn> Here's a sample of his logic.
20100315 22:31:00< Aethaeryn> noy: Prove you're *not* collaborating with enemies of America! :P
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20100315 22:39:03< Aethaeryn> Ahah! Glenn Beck was right!
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