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20100316 00:21:10< happygrue> I think annoucing that zookeeper's LessLuck Era will be the new default era would be a hilarious april fool's joke.
20100316 00:22:04< happygrue> just say that everything was renamed, and that now there will be less luck in the game.  It will take people a while to figure it out I think ;)
20100316 00:22:42< happygrue> also, get noy to make the annoucement... ;)
20100316 00:22:55< noy> ...
20100316 00:22:59< noy> why not
20100316 00:25:55< happygrue> maybe you could write up something that logically makes the point of keeping luck in the game, but on the surface makes it sound like we have done a 180 and bowed to user wishes or something
20100316 00:26:36< happygrue> in any case, it would be most funny coming from you I think noy
20100316 00:26:47< noy> Oh I'll write it good
20100316 00:27:42< happygrue> hehe
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20100316 00:33:49< ancestral> Let's say 1.8 is released on April 1st and everyone will think it was a joke, but in fact that will be the joke because in fact it won't be
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20100316 00:56:02< Pentarctagon> is no-one saying anything, or is it just me?
20100316 00:56:11< shadowmaster> it's just the weather
20100316 00:56:28< shadowmaster> you can always just check the logs to make sure it isn't just you
20100316 00:57:16< ancestral> Actually it's like 60 degrees Fahrenheit here, really nice
20100316 00:57:19< ancestral> :)
20100316 00:58:26< Pentarctagon> aww...still frozen here...
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20100316 04:06:34< VurtualRuler98> Sometimes I get the random map generator to do some ridiculously silly things.
20100316 04:06:54< VurtualRuler98> Like a map that consists of a crescent of land with a huge mountian and hill area seperating it.
20100316 04:07:21< VurtualRuler98> Or a map that's almost entirely mountains, except the south coast, and tiny streams with ponds containing water villages.
20100316 04:09:58< Aethaeryn> yup
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20100316 04:35:04< VurtualRuler98> Welp, finally got something out of the gen that seemed reliable, looked interesting. Now I've thrown just tiny 2-recruiting-space keeps wth two villages for each player in corners, and there's two "cities" in the center that'll probably be fun for 2v2 or to throw power to one side, that have lots of ambush-friendly terrain but some defendable spots, and even smaller keeps up ahead.
20100316 04:35:09< VurtualRuler98> Let's see how this plays out.
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20100316 10:40:37< Ivanovic> moin
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20100316 14:13:14< Gambit> forums are really nonresponsive today.
20100316 14:13:41< Rhonda> It's though not a forums issue, mytop is bored.
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20100316 14:23:28< Gambit> I guess watching a mySQL server would get kind of boring.
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20100316 16:13:39< zookeeper> Ken_Oh, check out my fancier new knockback code :P
20100316 16:15:58< Aethaeryn> wesbot: seen thespaceinvader
20100316 16:15:58< wesbot> Aethaeryn: The person with the nick thespaceinvader last spoke 17h 50m ago.  14h 59m ago was here and on the channels #wesnoth-dev and #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]
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20100316 17:11:22< Surivorez> ...Art workshop is dead
20100316 17:11:23< Surivorez> Again
20100316 17:11:44< shadowmaster> you need to announce it every day
20100316 17:11:55< shadowmaster> don't you?
20100316 17:12:00< Surivorez> Shrug yeah pretty much :P
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20100316 17:29:18< Ken_Oh> zookeeper: I saw. Great stuff.
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20100316 17:54:45< Gambit> Zarel you've given me a great name for my blog (if I ever post on it agin)
20100316 17:55:11< Gambit> disingenuous at best
20100316 17:55:24< Zarel> Gambit: What name? :P
20100316 17:55:34< Zarel> rofl
20100316 17:55:36< Zarel> I was going to say "malicious at worst"
20100316 17:55:53< Zarel> But then someone posted after me, and I didn't want my post to say "edited", so I didn't. :P
20100316 17:56:22< Gambit> Well I noted that hole in my logic, but I figured advertisers get away with it ;)
20100316 17:57:05< Surivorez> Gambit haz blog?
20100316 17:57:26< Gambit> "Odds are you don't have enough insulation. You probably pay too much on your electricity bill."
20100316 17:57:50< Surivorez> Uh what.
20100316 17:58:32< Gambit> Sorry that was for Zarel XD
20100316 17:58:49< Surivorez> OH CRAP
20100316 17:58:50< Surivorez> Zarel
20100316 17:58:51< Surivorez> >.<
20100316 17:58:54< Zarel> ...?
20100316 17:58:59< Surivorez> Wz2100
20100316 17:59:01< Surivorez> >.<
20100316 17:59:05< Zarel> Yeah, that's me! :D
20100316 17:59:07< Gambit> Ask for his autograph.
20100316 17:59:12 * Gambit is too shy.
20100316 17:59:14< Surivorez> Lol read my name backwards :D
20100316 17:59:16< Gambit> lol
20100316 17:59:21< Gambit> :o
20100316 17:59:33< Zarel> lol. Didja forget about the cursors? :P
20100316 17:59:35< Surivorez> Crap I forgot all about the cursors
20100316 17:59:38< Surivorez> That's a yes
20100316 17:59:46< Surivorez> Oh well I have time today I can make up for it :P
20100316 17:59:53< Zarel> :D That'd be great.
20100316 18:00:18< Zarel> Man, if only I could be an actualy internets celebrity, like esr.
20100316 18:00:27< Zarel> No one ever recognizes me online. :(
20100316 18:00:32< Gambit> :o what's esr do?
20100316 18:00:36< Zarel> Except people I already know.
20100316 18:00:58< Surivorez> Hey, noone ever recognized me either :P Build ye empire of the internets byte by byte.
20100316 18:01:02< Zarel> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Eric+S.+Raymond%22
20100316 18:01:07< Gambit> People recognize me, but only on websites for a certain video game and only as "that teamkilling jackass".
20100316 18:01:19< Zarel> The guy has his own Wikipedia article, and it isn't even the first Google result.
20100316 18:01:23< Surivorez> Nobody recognizes me :D
20100316 18:01:33< Surivorez> Wait esr has a wikipedia article?
20100316 18:01:41< Zarel> ...you didn't know?
20100316 18:02:05< Zarel> He wrote "The Cathedral and the Bazaar", which is like the Declaration of Independence, except for the GPL.
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20100316 18:02:22< Gambit> Dude someone needs to plug plug wesnoth into that article...
20100316 18:02:44< Surivorez> Hey, I don't pay attention to the devs usually :P
20100316 18:02:56< Surivorez> And I only recently emerged into the irc world.
20100316 18:03:12< Zarel> He also maintains the Jargon File, founded the OSI, and wrote a hilarious article.
20100316 18:03:27< Gambit> Yeah they're mysterious beings with strange powers.
20100316 18:04:06< Surivorez> ...What's his Wiki article named?
20100316 18:04:13< Zarel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_S._Raymond
20100316 18:04:39< Gambit> He's from PA
20100316 18:04:40< Surivorez> Goodness.
20100316 18:04:47< Gambit> well in PA*
20100316 18:04:48< Zarel> He's up there with Torvalds and Stallman, man.
20100316 18:04:58< Surivorez> Well now I know
20100316 18:05:07< Surivorez> Does he have his own XKCD comic too? :P
20100316 18:05:35< Zarel> Heh.
20100316 18:05:39< Gambit> Surivorez: Did you see the one with God and R2D2?
20100316 18:05:50< Zarel> Here's the hilarious article he wrote that I was talking about earlier:
20100316 18:05:50< Zarel> http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=1999-12-10-001-05-NW-LF
20100316 18:06:38< Zarel> I mean, ESR is one of these people: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:FOSS_personalities
20100316 18:07:15< Surivorez> Whoa.
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20100316 18:07:37< Surivorez> My cranium is trying to compute all this and find a correct response.
20100316 18:07:43< Surivorez> So far none found.
20100316 18:07:46< Surivorez> O.O
20100316 18:07:56< Zarel> He's also the only one of those people I've talked to! :O
20100316 18:08:06< Zarel> Well, I mean, I've read Bruce Perens's Slashdot posts.
20100316 18:08:28< Zarel> And Miguel de Icaza's flamewars on a few MLs.
20100316 18:09:17< Surivorez> Ah yes the hacker subculture. I don't think I'll be involved there in this lifetime :P
20100316 18:10:05< Gambit> Just don't get hackers and crackers confused.
20100316 18:10:27< Zarel> Generally, when the general public takes over a word, I usually just leave it alone.
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20100316 18:10:57< Surivorez> The public does have a tendency of converting words for their own usage and adding unnecessary or unrelated connotations.
20100316 18:10:59< Zarel> Too difficult to actually try to point out the distinction.
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20100316 18:12:16 * Gambit lunch
20100316 18:12:27< Surivorez> Well, if you feel the need to point out the distinction between hacker and cracker to me right now, I'd be pleased to listen (wink)
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20100316 18:17:49< Zarel> ...I don't get it.
20100316 18:18:47< Surivorez> :P Never mind, I posted the new bulldozer cursor on the forums. finally.
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20100316 18:25:36< Gambit> Surivorez: Crackers = hollywood hackers (except much less exciting/cool) = malicious
20100316 18:25:47< Gambit> Hacker = Someone who changes/fiddles with code
20100316 18:26:13< Surivorez> Righto.
20100316 18:26:14< Gambit> Crackers are also really good with cheese :)
20100316 18:26:20< Reoz_Dragon> indeed!
20100316 18:26:33< Reoz_Dragon> crackers with some cheese and maybe some wine on the side
20100316 18:26:36< Reoz_Dragon> yummy!
20100316 18:29:24< Gambit> or lacking enough years for wine; orange soda
20100316 18:29:31< Gambit> or lacking linux; bootcamp! har har
20100316 18:30:22< Gambit> Oh come on that was mildly laughable...
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20100316 18:38:40< zymyokidzu-it> hai!
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20100316 18:42:07< zymyokidzu-it> Considering that most of the times there isn't any admin in the server, can I become a new admin? I usually am in the server...
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20100316 18:44:26< zymyokidzu-it> hai Soliton
20100316 18:44:59< Gambit> zymyokidzu-it: lol
20100316 18:45:02< happygrue> zymyokidzu-it: when was the last time you were on?
20100316 18:45:15< zymyokidzu-it> today
20100316 18:45:20< happygrue> as what name?
20100316 18:45:29< zymyokidzu-it> zenhoobb-it
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20100316 18:45:59< zenhoobb-it> sorry forgotten to change my nick...
20100316 18:46:10< fendrin> zenhoobb-it: What is that "-it" ending mean in your nick?
20100316 18:46:12< happygrue> I had figured it out actually...
20100316 18:46:21< zenhoobb-it> itsly
20100316 18:46:30< zenhoobb-it> *italy
20100316 18:46:36< fendrin> ah. I see
20100316 18:48:36< happygrue> zenhoobb-it: well, moderators versed in other languages are generally good, but so far your history is not stellar I am sorry to say.  The other day when you were spaming the lobby "STU Go to Hell" means that it will be quite some time before you would be considered I think.
20100316 18:49:57< zenhoobb-it> it was only a joke!!!
20100316 18:50:13< happygrue> well hooray!
20100316 18:50:39< zenhoobb-it> stn=satana so it was not a offence...
20100316 18:51:27< zenhoobb-it> but are you admin?
20100316 18:51:34< Gambit> I asked Noy what the requirements were for MP moderator
20100316 18:51:37< happygrue> no!
20100316 18:51:40< happygrue> only joking as well!
20100316 18:51:47< zenhoobb-it> ;)
20100316 18:51:47< Gambit> He told me step 1 was to ask for step 2 in 4 years.
20100316 18:51:52< happygrue> I'm glad we had this little talk.  It was a good use of 5 minutes.
20100316 18:52:23< Gambit> One more year to go :D
20100316 18:52:44< zenhoobb-it> wait for 4 years?
20100316 18:52:50< zenhoobb-it> so long?
20100316 18:53:00< Gambit> lol I'm pretty sure he was just being a smart aleck
20100316 18:53:22< Gambit> not expecting a noob who suggested that "All factions should get a healer!" to still be here in 4 years.
20100316 18:54:27< zenhoobb-it> but only 16 admins are very poor! 
20100316 18:54:38< Gambit> Actually one of them is rich :o
20100316 18:54:50< zenhoobb-it> why don't you "recruit" new admins?
20100316 18:55:14< Gambit> I dunno zenhoobb-it. I guess they feel they have enough, OR they prefer not to post a big "help wanted" ad. Think of all the hell that'd unleash.
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20100316 18:56:12< Gambit> Probably if they wanted one, they'd pick an active forum regular since they're already marked for "good behaviour".
20100316 18:56:30< Gambit> Or one of the developers.
20100316 18:57:29< fendrin> I believe there is someone with a d20 choosing random visitors of the server.
20100316 18:57:42< Gambit> haha
20100316 18:59:06< fendrin> Don't laugh, we are proud of our rng system!
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20100316 19:02:21< Gambit> Random admin chooser
20100316 19:02:35< Gambit> Now we have one more thing to complain about ;)
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20100316 19:07:17< rocket16> Sevis? Are you here?
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20100316 19:08:14< rocket16> Hello Zarel,
20100316 19:08:20< Zarel> Heya.
20100316 19:08:42< rocket16> Nice to meet you, :) (Most people here rarely speak)
20100316 19:08:48< Zarel> Heh.
20100316 19:08:56< Zarel> I'm sure Gambit's talkative today.
20100316 19:09:23< rocket16> Gambit? Really?
20100316 19:09:33< rocket16> Actually, I need help on a matter,
20100316 19:09:33< Gambit> Slightly less so than usual on account of a massive amount of homework, but that's like keroscene being slightly less flamable.
20100316 19:09:52< rocket16> Good comment, :)
20100316 19:10:15< rocket16> I have decided to make a complete PDF of all Wesnoth matters (interesting),
20100316 19:10:31< rocket16> Renging from Wesnoth Manual to Wesnoth Advanced Strategies,
20100316 19:10:47< Smar> how archers wins in melee and such...
20100316 19:10:47< rocket16> And using Open Office and my Beloved Ubuntu, I have nearly completed,
20100316 19:11:12< Gambit> Sweet
20100316 19:11:19< rocket16> Yes, and much more strategies from Wesnoth forums, and many others
20100316 19:11:48< rocket16> Now, I want to distribute it freely under GNU Public License, can I do that?
20100316 19:12:04< Smar> it’s written by who?
20100316 19:12:24< rocket16> Many people, in Forums, wiki etc,
20100316 19:12:29< Smar> ask them
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20100316 19:12:55< Gambit> You ought to have paraphrased rather than anthologizing (<-word?)
20100316 19:12:57< rocket16> I asked a few people there, they granted permission happily,
20100316 19:13:36< rocket16> But it isn't possible to ask each and everyone, since many people are there,
20100316 19:13:41< Smar> rocket16: you can’t unless you know you can release all the text under GPL
20100316 19:14:06< Smar> since before you get permission from there it’s their text, they decide about it 
20100316 19:14:21< rocket16> In all cases, GPL is there,
20100316 19:14:40< Gambit> All submissions to the forum and wiki are GPL'd aren't they?
20100316 19:14:49< Smar> oh, then there’s no problems
20100316 19:14:49< rocket16> Yes, just checked them,
20100316 19:14:59< rocket16> Ok, thanks to you both,
20100316 19:15:03< Smar> just tell nicks of contributors
20100316 19:15:11< Gambit> so as long as EVERYthing came from your own head, the forums, or the wiki you'd be already (I think)
20100316 19:15:27 * Gambit is not a lawyer
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20100316 19:16:13< Smar> Gambit: I haven’t visited at forums, but wiki must be licenced correctly already
20100316 19:17:02< rocket16> Ok, I will include their nicks,
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20100316 19:17:24< fendrin> rocket16: May I suggest using Latex for this purpose?
20100316 19:17:33< Smar> hmm, I don’t actually see a licence... oh well
20100316 19:17:36< Smar> don’t matter
20100316 19:17:39< Gambit> stupid internet.
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20100316 19:18:06< Aethaeryn> rocket16: the wiki has a license.
20100316 19:18:42< Smar> Aethaeryn: where?
20100316 19:18:50< Aethaeryn> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Wesnoth:Copyrights
20100316 19:19:05< Smar> where’s that linked...
20100316 19:19:20< Aethaeryn> the footer
20100316 19:19:24< Aethaeryn> "Copyright"
20100316 19:19:25< Aethaeryn> is a link.
20100316 19:19:28< Aethaeryn> So every page.
20100316 19:19:28< Smar> oh
20100316 19:20:17< rocket16> fendrin: Sure, I will try,
20100316 19:20:23< Aethaeryn> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Distributing_content
20100316 19:20:25< Gambit> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2015
20100316 19:20:27< Aethaeryn> That might also be helpful
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20100316 19:20:39< Gambit> forum legalities ^^^
20100316 19:20:56< rocket16> Thanks Aethaeryn, checking that...
20100316 19:20:58< Aethaeryn> rocket16: esr is our legal semi-expert for licensing.
20100316 19:21:02< fendrin> rocket16: I believe there is a module for latex that is targeted on posters.
20100316 19:21:07< Aethaeryn> If you have any questions /msg him directly, I guess
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20100316 19:21:18< rocket16> Thanks Aethaeryn,
20100316 19:21:22< rocket16> I am doing that,
20100316 19:21:23< Aethaeryn> he's in #wesnoth-dev
20100316 19:21:38< Unnheulu> just wondering, what do you guys think the optimum community size is
20100316 19:21:42< fendrin> rocket16: Or isn't it a poster you want to produce?
20100316 19:21:55< Smar> Aethaeryn: privmsg is good
20100316 19:21:58< Aethaeryn> Unnheulu: quality > quantity.
20100316 19:21:58< Unnheulu> cause too small and there is too much favouritism, and too big, it jut gets impersonal, and filled with 10 year olds (usually)
20100316 19:22:13< Aethaeryn> Smar: Well, that's just in case he's not good on IRC, he could join #Wesnoth-dev and /msg him from there
20100316 19:22:18< Aethaeryn> that's all
20100316 19:22:29< Smar>  WHOIS is good too
20100316 19:22:31< rocket16> frndrin: Actually, the first version is to be produced in a simple manner,
20100316 19:22:36< Gambit> Unnheulu: Natural growth. Word of mouth, no advertising.
20100316 19:22:48< Unnheulu> and you get runescape :/
20100316 19:23:01< Aethaeryn> Unnheulu: A communty with 10,000 great people is a community with 10,000 great people. A community with ten 10-year-old troll-n00bs is a community with ten 10-year-old troll-n00bs.
20100316 19:23:07< Aethaeryn> Size doesn't matter so much as quality.
20100316 19:23:11< Unnheulu> ok :)
20100316 19:23:29< Smar> 4chan x)
20100316 19:23:51 * Gambit wanted to see admins vs 4chan trolls :(
20100316 19:24:08 * Aethaeryn wants to see China vs. 4chan... the ultimate showdown.
20100316 19:24:15< Unnheulu> hehe
20100316 19:24:20< Gambit> Mr. Rodgers wins.
20100316 19:24:31< Gambit> *no d in Rogers
20100316 19:24:57< Aethaeryn> Nah.
20100316 19:25:02< Aethaeryn> The real showdown is China vs. 4chan
20100316 19:25:11< Aethaeryn> forget Scientology, forget Australia. They're just n00bs compared to China.
20100316 19:25:25< Aethaeryn> China would be able to strike back with no conscience.
20100316 19:25:53< Gambit> Yeah but 4channers would downrate all their youtubes :o
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20100316 19:26:40< Smar> I’m pretty sure 4chan is blocked in china
20100316 19:26:45 * Aethaeryn wonders if Internet anonymity is ever benevolent ;)
20100316 19:27:12< rocket16> Aethaeryn, just read the License
20100316 19:27:36< rocket16> I think, no restriction is there, since it is under GPL,
20100316 19:27:45< Aethaeryn> ok
20100316 19:27:59< Gambit> I thought it was GFsomethingerother
20100316 19:28:30< Aethaeryn> GFDL (GNU Free Documentation License)
20100316 19:28:36< Aethaeryn> I thought it was a dual-license with GPL though
20100316 19:28:40< Aethaeryn> could be mistaken
20100316 19:29:22< rocket16> Aethaeryn: Thanks, uncluding both, :) Better safe than sorry, 
20100316 19:29:22< Gambit> But you're the WikiWizzzz
20100316 19:29:50< Smar> Aethaeryn: GPL isn’t suited to text
20100316 19:29:58< Aethaeryn> Nor is GFDL
20100316 19:30:03< Aethaeryn> Wikipedia switched to Creative Commons
20100316 19:30:07< Aethaeryn> honestly, we should follow their lead.
20100316 19:30:23< Smar> sure, I’d use ISC or something :)
20100316 19:30:28< Aethaeryn> even FSF is using CC these days
20100316 19:30:35< Smar> or WTFPL
20100316 19:30:45< Aethaeryn> as long as you don't use the non-commercial terms for CC, it's free "software"
20100316 19:30:54< Aethaeryn> according to the FSF
20100316 19:30:58< Smar> well, that’s problem with CC
20100316 19:31:08< Smar> too many choices that actually changes the meaning
20100316 19:31:12< rocket16> I won't use it commercially, just a hobby, and a complete volume is good to read, :)
20100316 19:31:26< Aethaeryn> exclude the non-commercial CC clauses and it's only like 3 or so
20100316 19:31:31< rocket16> Ah, asked esr, he encouraged the move, :)
20100316 19:31:35< Aethaeryn> again, the FSF rejects the non-commercial CC licenses.
20100316 19:31:54< rocket16> Really, Aethaeryn, you have been most helpful
20100316 19:32:18< rocket16> One more thing, I wish to include the names of all people in this channel in the Credits field,
20100316 19:32:31< Gambit> That's a lot of people.
20100316 19:32:37< Aethaeryn> why?
20100316 19:32:41< rocket16> Is there a way to get the name of all here (nicks) quickly and paste?
20100316 19:32:52< rocket16> Because you all are working hard for wesnoth,
20100316 19:33:07< Aethaeryn> some clients do /names ... but we're not all working hard for wesnoth
20100316 19:33:14< Gambit> I think you want #wesnoth-dev then ;)
20100316 19:33:18< Aethaeryn> #wesnoth-dev is where all the serious devs are, and even there there are some "average people" idlers
20100316 19:33:28< Gambit> Some of us here in #wesnoth are just watching tv :o
20100316 19:33:32< Aethaeryn> And since not everyone's online 24/7...
20100316 19:33:42< Aethaeryn> You'd miss some vital people by just listing the currently-on nicks
20100316 19:33:45< rocket16> No, not only -dev. I have included many tips about Wesnoth gameplay that I got to know from here,
20100316 19:34:18< Aethaeryn> Again, you would either overcredit by listing everyone or undercredit by not listing people who are offline atm but are still regulars.
20100316 19:34:40< rocket16> Yes, :( Really a problem,
20100316 19:34:49< Aethaeryn> Why do you have to list everyone?
20100316 19:34:51< Smar> also... don’t credit wesnoth creators, instead link wesnoth’s credits page
20100316 19:34:55< Smar> if you want that one
20100316 19:34:56< Aethaeryn> Just credit "#wesnoth and #wesnoth-dev regulars"
20100316 19:35:17< Aethaeryn> don't need to actually specify, since there's too many to reliably measure/credit
20100316 19:35:18< rocket16> Ok, that will be better, and along with the groups, like "Wesnoth Developers" etc.,
20100316 19:35:32< Smar> then you could credit wesnothians...
20100316 19:35:52< Smar> rocket16: just don’t copy the page, link. 
20100316 19:36:16< Gambit> Sincere thanks: the little people
20100316 19:37:04< Smar> in my camera
20100316 19:37:17< Gambit> The ones that draw the photos?
20100316 19:37:30< Smar> yup.
20100316 19:37:42< Smar> they’re very fast when I’m wanting to take video 
20100316 19:38:03< rocket16> Smar, I have written "All Wesnoth Developers", will it do?
20100316 19:38:07< Aethaeryn> There are people in cameras?
20100316 19:38:09< Smar> sure
20100316 19:38:24< Aethaeryn> I thought there were just evil spirits that stole a bit of your soul when you had a photo taken of you...
20100316 19:38:32< rocket16> Thanks Smar, just want to launch it as early as possible,
20100316 19:39:36< zenhoobb-it> hey a guy named "eliazu" says "f**k you all!" in the main server...
20100316 19:39:50< Aethaeryn> that's not very nice
20100316 19:40:07< Unnheulu> indeed
20100316 19:40:17< Unnheulu> typical behaviour from some games I know however
20100316 19:40:38< zenhoobb-it> no admin in the main server from this morning...
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20100316 19:41:18< Unnheulu> this evening here
20100316 19:41:21< Aethaeryn> Just because they're not in the server doesn't mean they're not listening.
20100316 19:41:25< Unnheulu> sorry for that pointless comment...
20100316 19:41:36< Unnheulu> Aethaeryn: they can listen without being in the server
20100316 19:41:37< Unnheulu> ?
20100316 19:41:40< Aethaeryn> yes
20100316 19:41:43 * Gambit1 smacks the internet
20100316 19:41:51< Aethaeryn> iirc, it gets outputted to a secret IRC channel
20100316 19:41:57< Unnheulu> cool
20100316 19:42:04< Unnheulu> I gotta find that someday :-D
20100316 19:42:08< Gambit1> hehe
20100316 19:42:09< rocket16> Ok, the first version, though not quite developed (made in 30 minutes, :) So, please excuse the mistakes), is completed
20100316 19:42:16< Aethaeryn> I know where it is
20100316 19:42:21< Aethaeryn> but I'm not sure they want avg people there
20100316 19:42:26< Gambit1> But if he tells you, he'd have to kill you
20100316 19:42:37< Unnheulu> name an admin for me :P
20100316 19:42:44< Aethaeryn> Just stopping by for 1 sec, I can tell you Soliton is in that super secret chan
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20100316 19:42:52< Gambit1> Is there anyway for me to get rid of Gambit?
20100316 19:42:53< rocket16> Now, can anyone please suggest a nice place to upload it? If anyone is interested to get it now, I am eager to send (via IRC here)
20100316 19:42:55< Gambit1> Oh nevermind.
20100316 19:42:56< Aethaeryn> so ping him for your problem and he'll probably have seen it?
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20100316 19:43:01< Unnheulu> thankuvrymuch
20100316 19:43:13< Unnheulu> :(
20100316 19:43:22< Unnheulu> sounds like its not on freenode
20100316 19:43:27< Unnheulu> time to check all of teh servers
20100316 19:43:46< Unnheulu> =-D
20100316 19:43:56< Aethaeryn> It is on freenode :P
20100316 19:43:59< Aethaeryn> it's a secret channel
20100316 19:44:04< Aethaeryn> as in, /whois won't yield it
20100316 19:44:14< Unnheulu> aargh
20100316 19:44:14< Aethaeryn> Again, don't go there, they probably don't want you there...
20100316 19:44:21< Aethaeryn> I'll probably be scolded for finding out about it :P
20100316 19:44:25< Unnheulu> hehe
20100316 19:44:28< Unnheulu> oooh I know
20100316 19:44:33< Aethaeryn> (Their fault for not making it a private chan where you need privilages to join :P)
20100316 19:44:33< Unnheulu> check the wesnoth source code^^
20100316 19:44:44< Aethaeryn> well, you might need the server source code for that
20100316 19:44:50< Unnheulu> it'll take a short while^^
20100316 19:44:56< Aethaeryn> which might not be the same as the 1.6 main server
20100316 19:45:00< Unnheulu> aargh
20100316 19:45:02< Aethaeryn> since they might have custom settings or tweaks to do the output :P
20100316 19:45:15< Unnheulu> thaaaaats eeeeevil
20100316 19:45:49< Aethaeryn> or you could just join #wesnoth-mp
20100316 19:46:27< rocket16> Anybody interested to get the complete Wesnoth Guide?
20100316 19:46:50< rocket16> I am soon uploading it, still, if anybody is interested, I am eager to send here directly,
20100316 19:47:01< Aethaeryn> zenhoobb-it: try pinging happygrue if you need an admin?
20100316 19:47:12< Aethaeryn> a /whois says idle 30 min so he's still online
20100316 19:47:28< Gambit> So I guess it isn't secret.
20100316 19:47:29< Aethaeryn> Or was online recently.
20100316 19:47:36< Aethaeryn> And no, I suppose not.
20100316 19:47:48< Aethaeryn> Unless #wesnoth-mp is some kind of secret.
20100316 19:48:15< Aethaeryn> Anyway, it's not too hard to find an admin.
20100316 19:48:21< Aethaeryn> They tend to hang around at #wesnoth-mp if you have problems.
20100316 19:48:38< Aethaeryn> aka. that's where you snitch on someone :P
20100316 19:48:50< Gambit> Wesnoth related places are just lousy with Wesnoth administrators. Who knew.
20100316 19:49:06< Aethaeryn> ?
20100316 19:49:17< rocket16> I think none is, still going to upload it soon,
20100316 19:50:37< Gambit> Wouldn't the server source be GPL'd
20100316 19:50:50< Gambit> And he'd be within his rights to demand a copy?
20100316 19:51:03 * Gambit is not sure at all how these license things work.
20100316 19:51:58< Aethaeryn> woah
20100316 19:52:28< Unnheulu> shame when I fullscreen wesnoth it uses up both my monitors :(
20100316 19:52:35< Unnheulu> I guess tahts an opengl problem
20100316 19:52:37< Unnheulu> *thats
20100316 19:53:21< fendrin> rocket16: I want to see it.
20100316 19:53:47< rocket16> Sure, I am just sending in a zip file
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20100316 19:54:19< rocket16> But fendril, really it is not nicely developed, just made it early, please excuse the poor design (will improve later)
20100316 19:55:22< rocket16> fendrin: Please excuse the poor design, :(
20100316 19:57:08< rocket16> For anyone interested in the guide (poorly designed) the lonk is http://www.mediafire.com/?dmzbjz2wjx2
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20100316 19:57:26< fendrin> rocket16: Have you put pictures in there? I can only see empty frames.
20100316 19:58:37< rocket16> fendrin: Yes, a problem occured there,
20100316 19:58:51< rocket16> frndrin: Will improve it by tomorrow, 
20100316 19:59:16< rocket16> fendrin: Sorry for the incompleteness there, :(
20100316 20:01:22< fendrin> rocket16: I like the idea of having a wesnoth manual in printable form. Your collection looks nice, the layout will be done by the latex (that is a more or less full automated typesetter)  almost without any manual adjustments.
20100316 20:01:42< fendrin> rocket16: So don't spend to much work on manually formating the layout.
20100316 20:02:11< rocket16> rocket16: My earnest gratitude, and sincere thanks, :) I am just downloading latex, really excited to have it, :)
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20100316 20:03:00< StealthyCoin> Anyone here know why the server-stored replays do not have a [statistics] tag and the ones you save manually do?
20100316 20:03:06< Aethaeryn> Unnheulu: I agree about fullscreen wesnoth
20100316 20:03:11< fendrin> rocket16: It's more or less a description language like html. I would strongly suggest to use the right module for your purpose. (There are modules for "manual" out there)
20100316 20:03:13< Aethaeryn> with dual monitors
20100316 20:03:20< Aethaeryn> Unnheulu: It uses SDL though
20100316 20:03:23< Aethaeryn> I think
20100316 20:03:28< Unnheulu> maybe its an sdl problem then :P
20100316 20:03:36< rocket16> fendrin: But friend, which package do Ineed for making PDFs? Texmaker?
20100316 20:04:34< fendrin> rocket16: That is a good question, I always install a ubuntu meta package that fetches like 50 or more packages.
20100316 20:05:08< rocket16> fendrin: Here, I am getting the name of LyX, a LAtex front-end, I think It may suite my need
20100316 20:05:48< Unnheulu> just noticed http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=29160 and lolling
20100316 20:05:53< fendrin> rocket16: Yes, LyX is nice. I like it. Well, you can't do all the fency stuff with it but it's a good tool to start with.
20100316 20:06:30< rocket16> fendrin: Thanks, just started downloading it,
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20100316 20:08:38< fendrin> rocket16: Do you use svn or git or another versioning system?
20100316 20:08:56< rocket16> fendrin: I use svn, 
20100316 20:09:01< fendrin> rocket16: cool
20100316 20:09:09< rocket16> fendrin: Thanks, :)
20100316 20:10:28< fendrin> rocket16: You should advatise your svn source repository in the writer's forum.
20100316 20:11:44< fendrin> rocket16: Note that latex source files are plain text asci, and fit good into a svn. I believe that is true for the internal lyx format as well.
20100316 20:12:23< rocket16> fendrin: Bye friend. Lyx is being downloaded, and I will try to make a better guide tomorrow. By the way, I am off for playing one multiplayer match in wesnoth,
20100316 20:12:24< rocket16> fendrin: I mean, going to set it up, :
20100316 20:12:26< rocket16> fendrin: Sure, I will, by day after tomorrow, I think all will be nearly done,
20100316 20:12:41< rocket16> fendrin: Thanks for the info. Anyway, bye, and thanks again for testing my humble compilation. By the way, going to start a match in wesnoth (multiplayer)
20100316 20:13:07< rocket16> Bye all, :)
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20100316 20:23:58< Unnheulu> whats the "standard" amount of tiles for a castle?
20100316 20:27:46< happygrue> 6+keep, as much as there is such a thing
20100316 20:27:54< Unnheulu> ok thanks
20100316 20:28:04< Unnheulu> I guess 7 won't be too much then :/
20100316 20:49:36< StealthyCoin> anyone here awake that knows about the replay format?
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20100316 20:51:06< l}ark_Seph> Unnheulu: wasup xD
20100316 20:53:22< l}ark_Seph> :P
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20100316 21:00:07< Gambit> StealthyCoin: Apparently no.
20100316 21:00:16< StealthyCoin> Thats what I gathered :|
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20100316 21:11:51< StealthyCoin> Ill broaden my question: Does anyone in here know who I should talk to about the replay format? And replays.wesnoth.org
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20100316 21:14:55< Gambit> Maybe the master of replays.
20100316 21:15:21< Gambit> StealthyCoin: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=101597
20100316 21:20:16< Rhonda> StealthyCoin: There is always the source   …   *hides*
20100316 21:21:19< StealthyCoin> Gambit: I PMed him :P no response so far.
20100316 21:21:50< Gambit> Well you can't expect people in a multinational community to be when you are.
20100316 21:22:04< Rhonda> StealthyCoin: What is your question about rhe replay format?
20100316 21:22:05< Gambit> At least you can't default to that expectation.
20100316 21:22:37< StealthyCoin> My question is why is there no [statistics] tag on replays auto-saved to the replay server
20100316 21:23:07< StealthyCoin> Im writing a parser for the replays and they are so so different based on who saved them and when. Quite frustrating.
20100316 21:23:34< Rhonda> Statistics should be calculateable from the other data, not?
20100316 21:23:56< StealthyCoin> Recruit/Kill/Death/Advancment lists are there too
20100316 21:23:56< Rhonda> If that is the case then it might make sense to not store the redundant data.
20100316 21:24:25< StealthyCoin> I can probably grab recruit list, but k/d/a i would have to simulate the entire game. A wasted effort when the replays are perfectly capable of storing that information.
20100316 21:25:00< Rhonda> But then, I'm only speculating and not really knowing much about that.
20100316 21:25:14< Unnheulu> wtf
20100316 21:25:20< Unnheulu> why does my map not have a header?
20100316 21:26:32< Rhonda> Because it's your map, you're headless most of the time, too  :P
20100316 21:26:38< Unnheulu> :/
20100316 21:26:44< Unnheulu> and seriously? :P
20100316 21:27:13< Rhonda> seriously I could just repeat myself about not really knowing much about that. :P
20100316 21:27:25< Unnheulu> ok :)
20100316 21:31:23< Gambit> They're easy to add though.
20100316 21:31:35< Unnheulu> how? :)
20100316 21:31:42< Gambit> text editor.
20100316 21:31:59< happygrue> StealthyCoin: you can ask Soliton about replays.wesnoth.org, but be respectful.  He is always busy.
20100316 21:32:16< happygrue> and he may breath fire upon you.
20100316 21:32:25< happygrue> but you probably want to talk to Yogi Bear about the replays
20100316 21:32:29< happygrue> he is the master of such
20100316 21:32:31< Unnheulu> Gambit: pleeaase can you explain a bit more? thanks :)
20100316 21:32:32< happygrue> forum PM might work
20100316 21:32:44< Gambit> try notepad++ or wordpad
20100316 21:32:50< Gambit> the first line should be border_size=1
20100316 21:32:53< Unnheulu> or gedit or mousepad :)
20100316 21:32:54< Unnheulu> ok
20100316 21:32:56< Gambit> the second line should be usage=map
20100316 21:32:58< StealthyCoin> Soltion has never fire breathed me before. Ill try PMing him
20100316 21:33:00< Unnheulu> got that
20100316 21:33:00< Gambit> then a new line
20100316 21:33:02< Gambit> then the map
20100316 21:33:09< Unnheulu> for me its border_size=1
20100316 21:33:12< Unnheulu> then usage=map
20100316 21:33:17< Unnheulu> then new line, then map
20100316 21:33:33< Gambit> Then perhaps the problem is in the scenario.
20100316 21:33:45< Gambit> and the way the map is being included there.
20100316 21:34:23< Unnheulu> hmm ok
20100316 21:34:29< Unnheulu> map_data="{@Rock_out/maps/01-attack}"
20100316 21:34:52< Gambit> should be "{@campaigns/Rock_out/maps/01-attack}"
20100316 21:35:03< Unnheulu> ok thanks! :)
20100316 21:35:13< Gambit> or {~add-ons/Rock_out/maps/01-attack} on 1.7.x/1.8.x
20100316 21:35:23< Unnheulu> thats the one I'll want, thanks gambit
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20100316 21:35:31< happygrue> StealthyCoin: have you ever woken him up from a nice dream in which he was counting his gold and eating tasty hobbits?
20100316 21:35:47< happygrue> I'm just saying watch out... ;)
20100316 21:35:48< StealthyCoin> not yet...
20100316 21:36:17< Gambit> Anyone who has the ability to breathe fire, whether they use it or not, is clearly someone not to be messed with.
20100316 21:37:08< Zarel> Oh, Gambit.
20100316 21:37:19< Zarel> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=415665#p415665 <- I lol'd
20100316 21:37:30< Gambit> heh
20100316 21:37:39< Unnheulu> interesting...3rd fret on the g string is the same as the 1st fret on the a string on the ukulele...
20100316 21:37:56< Unnheulu> hehe
20100316 21:38:04< Unnheulu> Gambit: it doooeeesn't woooork :(:(
20100316 21:38:06< Unnheulu> *cries*
20100316 21:38:14< Gambit> What version are you in?
20100316 21:38:23< Unnheulu> 1.7.13 or .14
20100316 21:38:28< Unnheulu> not sure if .14 compiled properly :/
20100316 21:38:59< Gambit> try copypasting the junk out of the map into the quotes in the map include
20100316 21:39:09< Unnheulu> humm?
20100316 21:39:15< Gambit> so instead of "{file path stuff}" you have "all the code inside the map file"
20100316 21:39:24< Unnheulu> ok thanks
20100316 21:39:29< Unnheulu> including the border size and stuff?
20100316 21:39:44< Gambit> if you still get a header error then somehow that map is messed up.
20100316 21:39:48< Unnheulu> ok
20100316 21:39:55< Gambit> though if that were the case it shouldn't even load in the editor :s
20100316 21:40:04< Unnheulu> hmm
20100316 21:40:24 * Unnheulu forgot about all of gambits old wml stuff
20100316 21:40:34< Unnheulu> they're so cool :D
20100316 21:40:54< Gambit> Thank you.
20100316 21:40:54< Unnheulu> it works :D
20100316 21:40:57< Unnheulu> thanks gambit!
20100316 21:41:31< Gambit> No problem.
20100316 21:41:56< Gambit> But you know that means you were messing up the file path somehow. You should probably figure that out. Someday you might want to break a large project into multiple cfg files.
20100316 21:42:18< Unnheulu> hmmhmm
20100316 21:42:23< Gambit> Did your map file have an extension? did you save it as name.map and include it as name.map?
20100316 21:42:26< Unnheulu> I was jut thinking that
20100316 21:42:29< Unnheulu> no
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20100316 21:42:31< Unnheulu> no exxtension
20100316 21:42:53< Gambit> It really doesn't matter what the extension is, but I don't think the editor adds one by default.
20100316 21:43:00< Unnheulu> it doesnt
20100316 21:43:16< Gambit> No you can name it map_name.cheese for all the game cares.
20100316 21:43:26< Unnheulu> hmhm
20100316 21:43:34< Gambit> Same goes for included cfg files.
20100316 21:43:53< Gambit> I was trying to exploit this recently, but was shot down. :(
20100316 21:44:17< Unnheulu> :(
20100316 21:45:07< Unnheulu> Gambit: are you a wml pioneer or anything?
20100316 21:45:09< Gambit> Actually the developers did suggest a way to me, but it just isn't feasible.
20100316 21:45:15< Gambit> Not yet. :)
20100316 21:45:24< Unnheulu> weird :P
20100316 21:45:26< Gambit> It's on the todo list ;)
20100316 21:45:33< Gambit> Not really. I've not done anything too exciting yet.
20100316 21:45:52< Unnheulu> some of your old stuff was
20100316 21:46:00< Unnheulu> didn't you do that one with the boats and stuff?
20100316 21:46:22< Gambit> WesPets was my only "wtf" project that went anywhere.
20100316 21:46:24< Gambit> Yes.
20100316 21:46:38< Unnheulu> wespets...xD
20100316 21:46:48< Unnheulu> and that one with the casltes and buildings and stuff?
20100316 21:46:53< Unnheulu> I wasted too much time on that
20100316 21:46:58< Gambit> That's the same one as the ships :D
20100316 21:46:58< Blarumyrran> Was it the one with the dragon
20100316 21:47:25< Unnheulu> thinking about it, wasn't there one in space?
20100316 21:47:40< Gambit> Not yet.
20100316 21:47:56< Gambit> Blarumyrran: Yes that was WesPets.
20100316 21:48:04< Unnheulu> ok, that must've been a random one i downloaded
20100316 21:49:06< Unnheulu> is wespets in the 1.7 addon server?
20100316 21:49:17< Gambit> Nope. It's only on the forums. It is for 1.7 though.
20100316 21:49:39< Gambit> I never actually finished it. It was just a technology demo for wesnoth persistence.
20100316 21:49:40< Unnheulu> ok
20100316 21:49:47< Gambit> Basically when you were done playing you could get a code for your pet.
20100316 21:49:53< Unnheulu> teehee
20100316 21:49:59< Gambit> You could enter that code in to another game and it would recreate your pet.
20100316 21:50:13< Unnheulu> haha
20100316 21:50:25< Gambit> So you could (theoreticly) train your pet offline, and then I could have made a multiplayer arena type map.
20100316 21:50:35< Unnheulu> hehehe
20100316 21:50:42< Unnheulu> you should continue with it :)
20100316 21:51:08< Gambit> But it wasn't actually all that fun to play since more work went into encrypting the codes than did the actual gameplay.
20100316 21:52:10< Gambit> Unnheulu: Some parts of it's tech will be used in Dynamica if/when I get to work on that.
20100316 21:52:24< Unnheulu>  :P
20100316 21:52:28< Unnheulu> cool
20100316 21:52:30< Gambit> Particularly the custom colors, and MAYBE (big maybe) the persistence part.
20100316 21:52:32< Unnheulu> can't wait
20100316 21:53:04< Gambit> But I need to stop BSing and do my school. My grades are wishing I'd never found IRC D:
20100316 21:53:08< Gambit> haha
20100316 21:53:13< Unnheulu> :P
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20100316 22:01:16< Blarumyrran> Aethaeryn, has it just happened to be a spring break the last whole year or so?
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20100316 22:03:11< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: ?
20100316 22:03:45< Aethaeryn> nah, I've been less active the last few weeks if you've paid attention
20100316 22:03:53< Blarumyrran> Well it's not like you had done any visible progress for the last year with Thunderstone, amirightoramiright
20100316 22:03:54< Aethaeryn> not necessarily the entire school year
20100316 22:04:03< Aethaeryn> uh
20100316 22:04:08< Aethaeryn> I have about 4 sprites I haven't uploaded
20100316 22:04:27< Aethaeryn> and I'll probably not publish Thunderstone for months, maybe not until 1.10, even if I made visible progress behind the scenes
20100316 22:05:29< Aethaeryn> Actually, I'll probably publish Thunderstone, however complete it is, after the 1.9 server resets in preparation for 1.10 right when it enters betas.
20100316 22:05:36< Blarumyrran> As an excuse not to show the fruits of the "behind the scenes" progress?
20100316 22:05:37< Aethaeryn> So it sits near the top of the list.
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20100316 22:06:03< rocket16> Hello SAmwise
20100316 22:06:05< Aethaeryn> nah, it's just that I have shame, unlike some people who release every 2 weeks rather subpar material.
20100316 22:06:12< Aethaeryn> I'm just not comfortable showing anything off at this point.
20100316 22:06:13< Samwise> Hey rocket16 
20100316 22:06:34< Blarumyrran> rocket16, what happened to your suicide-notey sounding good bye
20100316 22:06:55< Aethaeryn> Knowing how long it's taking to even release 1.8, the late 1.9 window for Thunderstone will probably be in a year.
20100316 22:07:02< Aethaeryn> Or at least 8-10 months
20100316 22:07:27< Blarumyrran> Aethaeryn, of course you are not comfortable showing anything off if the anything is near-nonexistant
20100316 22:08:06< Aethaeryn> As I've said, I have 4 sprites in progress right nwo
20100316 22:08:07< Aethaeryn> *now
20100316 22:08:34< Aethaeryn> I'm thus pretty close to having 3/5 factions playable.
20100316 22:09:48< Aethaeryn> Thus, whenever Thunderstone is actually released it will probably have those 3 factions.
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20100316 22:20:17< Unnheulu> >.>
20100316 22:20:21< Unnheulu> the ai isn't doing anything
20100316 22:27:55< Blarumyrran> Undroiding and droiding it again solved all ai hanging issues i've ever had
20100316 22:29:53< Unnheulu> its in ma campaign :P
20100316 22:31:02< Blarumyrran> Oh right once I tried darkfool's ai and that really did nothing
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20100316 22:33:27< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: The problem with undroiding and droiding it is that every time I undroid it I'm too tempted to be able to droid it again :P
20100316 22:33:32< Aethaeryn> It's just too fun to reverse the battle
20100316 22:34:01< Aethaeryn> I lost Crossroads (I think that's the name? the one with hill-ambush orcs?) in HttT that way... by playing as the orcs, too
20100316 22:34:57< Blarumyrran> I haven't tried that
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20100316 22:35:33< Aethaeryn> Well, I used to play against myself in other games, such as chess
20100316 22:35:48< Aethaeryn> so maybe that's how I got the idea to not undroid the AI
20100316 22:36:20< Blarumyrran> strange, I'm so much the opposite
20100316 22:36:24< Blarumyrran> I like droiding all sides
20100316 22:37:06< Blarumyrran> And you mean re-droid, not undroid, of course?
20100316 22:38:25< Unnheulu> wow
20100316 22:38:32< Unnheulu> just saw the new bowman firing animation
20100316 22:42:13< happygrue> don't you mean and-droid?
20100316 22:42:23 * happygrue will be here all night
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20100316 22:48:44< Aethaeryn> happygrue: don't you mean Google (R) Android (TM)? :P
20100316 22:50:22< happygrue> I guess that would be the smart way to do it.
20100316 22:50:32< happygrue> save me from some legal trouble later
20100316 22:50:40< Blarumyrran> Yeah, they're watching you right now after all
20100316 22:52:49< happygrue> I know!  I've been buzzing about it all day
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