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20100320 02:40:31< Blueblaze> hello [Relic]
20100320 02:40:42< Blueblaze> How is life treating you on this wonderfilled day
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20100320 02:51:00< [Relic]> no idea  :)
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20100320 05:54:44< HanSolo> I just noticed, but Wesnoth sure seems like a crapsack world after the Fall of Wesnoth.
20100320 05:54:53< HanSolo> *The Great Continent
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20100320 06:23:11< ancestral> HanSolo: Yeah
20100320 06:23:17< ancestral> It takes decades to rebuild
20100320 06:23:23< ancestral> Or centuries
20100320 06:23:25< ancestral> Or millenia
20100320 06:23:41< HanSolo> Something about the freakin' third sun crashing into the ground, yeah
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20100320 06:25:02< ancestral> Oh
20100320 06:25:13< ancestral> In the future, you mean, they constructed an artificial sun
20100320 06:25:28< ancestral> At that point the lands were presumably "advanced"
20100320 06:25:34< ancestral> in technology
20100320 06:26:03< ancestral> But after that, right, UtBS happens
20100320 06:27:52< HanSolo> Hmmm
20100320 06:28:29< ancestral> As far as I know
20100320 06:28:53< ancestral> Though maybe those familiar with UtBS can elaborate
20100320 06:30:05< HanSolo> The wiki looks seriously underdeveloped, so I'm a bit confused with the lore at times
20100320 06:30:24< fendrin> I am the maintainer of UtBS
20100320 06:30:33< fendrin> What do you want to know?
20100320 06:30:46< HanSolo> To avoid all this lore mischief I'm planning on my campaigns being legends
20100320 06:31:35< HanSolo> fendrin: Well, I've never gotten past those freakin cave missions, but it looks like everyone's still using swords and lances and magic and what not.
20100320 06:32:55< fendrin> HanSolo: Well, just read the scenario's code to get an idea of the scenarios you have never player. I often just read through a scenario instead of playing it.
20100320 06:33:34< ancestral> HanSolo: Post apocalyptica can be like that 
20100320 06:33:39< fendrin> You will also need to get known to IftU if you want your campaign to fit in the universe.
20100320 06:34:04< ancestral> And it's the Elves so, it's hard not to use elven steel
20100320 06:34:35< HanSolo> I see
20100320 06:34:46< ancestral> :)
20100320 06:35:11< HanSolo> fendrin: Yeah, I've gotten most of my knowledge from ReferenceWML and looking at mainline campaigns
20100320 06:41:19< HanSolo> I
20100320 06:42:40< HanSolo> I'm not planning on any complicated stuff for a while. Things like the heat in Across the Harsh Sands or randomized maps won't be used.
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20100320 06:48:20< ancestral> HanSolo: This may have been how the Merfolk rebuilt their kingdom: http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF211-Atlantis.jpg
20100320 06:48:40< fendrin> HanSolo: The heat in Across the Harsh Sands is very easy to code. Randomized maps are easy done as well.
20100320 06:48:43< HanSolo> Heh
20100320 06:48:47< HanSolo> Oh, really?
20100320 06:48:51< ancestral> :-P
20100320 06:48:55< HanSolo> I couldn't find it.
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20100320 06:49:48< HanSolo> The scenarios so far are rather simple: the more gimicky being one with I'm-not-kidding-this-isn't-funny ammounts of walking corpses and soulless
20100320 06:50:17< HanSolo> Or "clear a town by stepping on a village tile and killing whatever comes out that isn't a peasant"
20100320 06:51:03< HanSolo> I guess I jus dipped into the WML
20100320 06:51:38< Kalir> AGH! TEA IN MY EYE!
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20100320 10:42:42< Ivanovic> moin
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20100320 11:01:39< timotei21> hello everyone
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20100320 11:23:26< zenhoobbit> hai
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20100320 11:40:29< GeorgeGhoal> Hi
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20100320 11:41:12< GeorgeGhoal> For how long is Wesnoth going to stay as b3ta? Forever?
20100320 11:42:03< GeorgeGhoal> I hope it won't stay as b3ta forever, or else I shall quit watching the project
20100320 11:42:22< GeorgeGhoal> I'm half-minded, ya know
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20100320 11:42:58< rocket16> Hello George,
20100320 11:43:38< GeorgeGhoal> I hope Wesnoth reaches 2.0 before 22 dec 2012 (the end of the world)
20100320 11:45:29< GeorgeGhoal> I, from time to time, watch the open projects that are any good. Most seem to stagnate since my first interactions with their communities
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20100320 11:52:38< zenhoobbit> lol George xD
20100320 11:53:54< zenhoobbit> hey some guys in the main server are spamming the lobby with bad words
20100320 11:54:11< zenhoobbit> one is called ToucH
20100320 11:54:45< zenhoobbit> but there isn't any admin in the server as usually...
20100320 11:55:05< zenhoobbit> hai Soliton
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20100320 12:02:40< zenhoobbit> hi happygrue
20100320 12:03:15< Sacho> Wesnoth has been playable for years.
20100320 12:03:21< Sacho> I don't know what you are waiting for.
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20100320 15:09:13< Unnheulu> in the filter tag, is it possible to allow every value but one
20100320 15:09:28< Unnheulu> (like side != 1 for instance)
20100320 15:13:26< zookeeper> [not] side=1 [/not]
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20100320 15:17:26< Unnheulu> thanks
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20100320 15:19:38< Unnheulu> hows about the id of the primary unit?
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20100320 15:20:26< Unnheulu> found it
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20100320 15:29:22< Unnheulu> in the filter tag can you reference to variables like: found_merfolk=1
20100320 15:29:30< Unnheulu> or is there some magical way of doing it? ^_^
20100320 15:29:43< Unnheulu> wait
20100320 15:29:47< Unnheulu> I could use an if tag
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20100320 15:47:02< Gambit> Unnheulu: Don't you love WML? ^_^
20100320 15:47:12< Unnheulu> ITS SO CONFUSING!!! AARGH
20100320 15:47:14< Unnheulu> :D
20100320 15:47:45< Gambit> If you stored that found_merfolk variable inside of the unit triggering your event then yes you could use [filter] instead of [if]
20100320 15:48:15< Unnheulu> but i cant use filter?
20100320 15:48:32< Gambit> [filter][filter_wml][variables]found_merfolk=1[/variables][/filter_wml][/filter]
20100320 15:48:34< Unnheulu> if it weren't for you I wouldn't be so confused right now :/
20100320 15:48:38< Unnheulu> ok thanks
20100320 15:48:45< Unnheulu> it's all your fault! :P
20100320 15:48:51< Gambit> You have to store the found_merfolk inside of a unit
20100320 15:48:54< Gambit> What'd I do :'(
20100320 15:49:06< Gambit> unit.variables.found_merfolk
20100320 15:49:06< Unnheulu> said that the scenario wasn't fun enough ;'(
20100320 15:49:27< Gambit> Players are like cranky movies stars
20100320 15:49:32< Gambit> they need to know their motivation :P
20100320 15:49:38< Unnheulu> :P
20100320 15:49:59< Gambit> Just a little bit of dialogue at the begining so we're not asking "wtf do I have to do with what the narrator was just saying? who am I?"
20100320 15:50:08< Unnheulu> -.-
20100320 15:50:18< Unnheulu> I've gone and changed the whole %^&*( scenario story! :P
20100320 15:51:22< Unnheulu> Gambit: anyways do you know why one of the villages is still being burnt down?
20100320 15:51:32< Unnheulu> I'm using artisticdudes code
20100320 15:51:36< Gambit> ?
20100320 15:51:46< Unnheulu> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=29257&p=416421#p416421
20100320 15:52:03< Unnheulu> it works for one village, but not the other
20100320 15:53:26< Gambit> So his code is halfworking?
20100320 15:53:34< Unnheulu> erm
20100320 15:53:38< Unnheulu> I think not at all working...
20100320 15:53:53< Gambit> can you pastebin me your current code?
20100320 15:53:57< Unnheulu> actually
20100320 15:53:59< Unnheulu> half working
20100320 15:54:02< Unnheulu> the whole scenario?
20100320 15:54:07< Gambit> just the bit in question
20100320 15:54:08< Unnheulu> or just the event?
20100320 15:54:09< Unnheulu> ok
20100320 15:54:40< Unnheulu> http://pastebin.org/118781
20100320 15:54:44< Unnheulu> the second event works btw
20100320 15:55:30< Gambit> did you put found_merfolk inside of a unit?
20100320 15:55:55< Unnheulu> nope
20100320 15:55:59< Unnheulu> but that parts working
20100320 15:56:10< Gambit> the setup you have there only works if the unit capturing the village has a [variables]found_merfolk=1[/variables] inside of them.
20100320 15:56:16< Unnheulu> :/
20100320 15:56:18< Unnheulu> cause it works
20100320 15:56:35< Unnheulu> the problem I'm having is the village at 29,14 is being burnt
20100320 15:56:54< Gambit> yes because you're not using the right syntax
20100320 15:56:57< Unnheulu> ok
20100320 15:57:14< Unnheulu> but the one at 23,18 isn't...
20100320 15:57:33< Unnheulu> wait
20100320 15:57:38< Unnheulu> thats cause none are being burnt
20100320 15:57:43< Unnheulu> ok, you may explain :P
20100320 15:57:46< Gambit> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/XN61mtYk
20100320 15:58:05< Gambit> You've got to comma seperate the x's and then the corresponding y's.
20100320 15:58:11< Gambit> In matching order.
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20100320 15:58:52< Gambit> x=23,29 y=18,14 is for the two hexes "23,18" and "29,14"
20100320 15:59:08< Gambit> If you wanted to add "101,3" you'd put 101 in the x list and 3 in the y.
20100320 15:59:09< Unnheulu> ok
20100320 15:59:59< Unnheulu> any idea why none are getting burnt though?
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20100320 16:00:34< Gambit> Because found_merfolk=1 doesn't exist :D
20100320 16:00:39< Unnheulu> doesn't it?
20100320 16:00:45< Gambit> Just use [if]
20100320 16:00:53< Unnheulu> but with if it doesn't work either...
20100320 16:00:54< Gambit> ignore my earlier stupid suggestion
20100320 16:01:01< Unnheulu> ok :P
20100320 16:01:05< Gambit> That only works if you have found_merfolk inside every single unit
20100320 16:01:14< Unnheulu> ah
20100320 16:01:18< Gambit> Well to be exact it has to be in the captureing unit
20100320 16:01:25< Gambit> but because you don't know who the player will capture with
20100320 16:01:28< Gambit> it could be any unit
20100320 16:01:31< Gambit> so it's impracticle
20100320 16:01:41< Gambit> now if you knew that it absolutely had to be Bob
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20100320 16:01:47< Gambit> then you could put found_merfolk inside bob
20100320 16:01:49< Unnheulu> then it might work
20100320 16:03:21< Unnheulu> Gambit: it doesn't work :(
20100320 16:03:42< Unnheulu> http://pastebin.org/118790
20100320 16:03:44< Unnheulu> i tried that
20100320 16:04:24< Gambit> [variable]name=found_merfolk equals="1"[/variable]
20100320 16:04:48< Unnheulu> >.<
20100320 16:04:50< Unnheulu> ofc
20100320 16:04:59 * Unnheulu is officially stupid
20100320 16:05:38< Gambit> Unnheulu: My father gave me this link (not really) and his father before him (again not really), and now I'm giving it to you.
20100320 16:05:41< Gambit> cherish it ;)
20100320 16:05:42< Gambit> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/ReferenceWML
20100320 16:05:48< Unnheulu> hehe
20100320 16:05:52< Unnheulu> I've been using that all day
20100320 16:05:52< Gambit> It is seriously your best friend
20100320 16:05:58< Unnheulu> as well as older campaigns
20100320 16:06:01< Gambit> That box on the right
20100320 16:06:10< Unnheulu> tells you about functions :D
20100320 16:06:15< Unnheulu> yeh I've been using it alot
20100320 16:07:14< Gambit> Wesnoth is really working against my project :@
20100320 16:07:46< Gambit> The array is too big for the inspect dialog and it's not even as full as it will be when it's finished.
20100320 16:08:38< Unnheulu> humm?
20100320 16:09:26< Gambit> Well I need to put units and a map inside of each planet. And all those planets get stored in that solar system's sun. And that sun also has a map stored in it. And all of the uns are stored inside the universe.
20100320 16:09:38< Gambit> And it's too long :(
20100320 16:10:16< Gambit> Wesnoth has this neat :inspect command for seeing what different variables are
20100320 16:10:43< Gambit> Such has found_merfolk :o
20100320 16:10:55< Gambit> *as
20100320 16:11:01< Unnheulu> and its not chaning from 0
20100320 16:11:04< Unnheulu> just checked
20100320 16:11:09< Unnheulu> are you sure its :inspect?
20100320 16:11:13< Unnheulu> I tried :show_var
20100320 16:11:23< Gambit> Yes debug and then inspect
20100320 16:11:34< Gambit> only on 1.7+
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20100320 16:12:07< Unnheulu> inspect works as well as show_var looking at it
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20100320 16:12:31< Gambit> Unless it's an array or a stored unit
20100320 16:12:44< Gambit> You can get specific bits I suppose
20100320 16:12:48< Unnheulu> ok
20100320 16:12:51< Gambit> But with inspect you can browse
20100320 16:12:55< Unnheulu> ah just tried inspect
20100320 16:13:02< Gambit> It's nice
20100320 16:13:06< Unnheulu> yeh
20100320 16:13:20< Gambit> Whoever added that needs a cookie.
20100320 16:13:22< Unnheulu> so I found my problem code
20100320 16:13:23< Unnheulu> totally
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20100320 16:14:37< Unnheulu> http://pastebin.org/118795
20100320 16:15:26< Unnheulu> ah
20100320 16:15:30< Unnheulu> so I must clear the variable first?
20100320 16:15:40< Gambit> name=found_merfolk value=1
20100320 16:15:52< Gambit> [variable] and [set_variable] take different keywords
20100320 16:15:57< unnamedGuy> hi guys, im having a problem compiling wesnoth-1.8rc1 on gentoo stable. here is the error message: http://pastebin.com/SKY8L6BK . can you help me, please?
20100320 16:16:10< Unnheulu> have you done sudo apt-get build-dep wesnoth?
20100320 16:16:25< Unnheulu> Gambit: oh yeh *facepalms*
20100320 16:16:29< unnamedGuy> apt-get? im running gentoo
20100320 16:16:39< Unnheulu> well whatever gentoo uses :P
20100320 16:16:47< Unnheulu> basically
20100320 16:16:54< Unnheulu> have you got the -dev's of all the dependencies?
20100320 16:17:40< Gambit> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/CompilingWesnoth#prerequisites_2
20100320 16:17:58< unnamedGuy> i have installed the latest stable version (1.6.5) from portage, but i now notice that 1.7.15 is already in portage
20100320 16:17:59< unnamedGuy> damn
20100320 16:18:31< Gambit> Unnheulu: To save time and space use {VARIABLE name "value}
20100320 16:18:43< Unnheulu> >.>
20100320 16:18:45< Gambit> or {VARIABLE_OP name operation "value"}
20100320 16:18:54< Gambit> eg {VARIABLE merfolk_found "1"}
20100320 16:19:19< Gambit> or {VARIABLE which_topping rand "Pepperoni,Mushrooms,Cheese,Ham,Pineapple"}
20100320 16:19:29< Gambit> *VARIABLE_OP on that last one :$
20100320 16:19:45< Unnheulu> can you do {VARIABLE merfolk_found+1} or something?
20100320 16:20:11< Gambit> no that'd be {VARIABLE_OP merfolk_found add "1"}
20100320 16:20:24< Unnheulu> ok, thanks
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20100320 16:20:42< unnamedGuy> OK, i just unmasked the latest dev version. portage states that all requirements are met, however, i dont want to install it from portage itself. why cant I compile it from source?
20100320 16:22:54< Gambit> Unnheulu: install dir/data/core/macros is definitly worth a poke around.
20100320 16:22:58< Gambit> Lots of time saving stuff in there.
20100320 16:23:07< Unnheulu> I figured
20100320 16:23:16< Unnheulu> most of my macro's so far were lifted of mainline campaigns
20100320 16:26:52< Gambit> unnamedGuy: It doesn't look like anyone experienced with compiling is around right now. Have you tried the tech support forum?
20100320 16:27:42< unnamedGuy> Gambit: no. anyway, im trying cmake now and if it fails ill just install from portage
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20100320 16:31:25< Unnheulu> Gambit: http://pastebin.org/118809, when he dies you win :/
20100320 16:31:35< Unnheulu> wait
20100320 16:31:37< Unnheulu> >.>
20100320 16:31:39< Unnheulu> hmm
20100320 16:31:42< Unnheulu> rechecks wiki
20100320 16:32:07< Unnheulu> humm
20100320 16:32:24< Unnheulu> checks mainline campaign as wiki makes little sense
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20100320 16:32:47< Gambit> No
20100320 16:32:52< Gambit> bad! check the wiki
20100320 16:32:56< Gambit> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/DirectActionsWML
20100320 16:32:57< Unnheulu> :P
20100320 16:33:06< Unnheulu> its not in EventWML?
20100320 16:33:07< Gambit> it's the second line on the page
20100320 16:33:12< Gambit> *fourth
20100320 16:33:15< Unnheulu> I was reading eventwml :P
20100320 16:33:23< Gambit> no you go to the reference WML
20100320 16:33:32< Gambit> and look for your tag in the box on the right
20100320 16:33:48< Gambit> in this case end_level
20100320 16:34:00< Unnheulu> humm?
20100320 16:34:07< Unnheulu> its the last breath part :P
20100320 16:35:05< Gambit> no
20100320 16:35:10< Gambit> the error lies in end_level
20100320 16:35:20< Unnheulu> does it?
20100320 16:35:24 * Gambit isn't going to tell
20100320 16:35:27< Unnheulu> :/
20100320 16:35:41< Gambit> He said his message right?
20100320 16:35:45< Gambit> So you know the event is fine
20100320 16:35:50< Unnheulu> yeh
20100320 16:35:55< Unnheulu> oh yeh
20100320 16:35:58< Unnheulu> >.<
20100320 16:35:58< Gambit> what happens was, you won. the error is in [end_level]
20100320 16:36:04< Unnheulu> its result not condition
20100320 16:36:07< Gambit> :D
20100320 16:36:45< Unnheulu> you must be getting so annoyed now by all my nooby questions xD
20100320 16:37:01< Gambit> no I'm actually getting nostalgic
20100320 16:37:14< Gambit> and hungry but that may just be that I skipped breakfast to code :$
20100320 16:37:25< Unnheulu> ^^
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20100320 16:37:42< Gambit> But yeah [message] is actually the best way to check if an event is working imo.
20100320 16:37:51< Unnheulu> like in python print is
20100320 16:38:01< Unnheulu> or C++ cout
20100320 16:38:07< Unnheulu> or java (forgotten :/)
20100320 16:38:14< Gambit> js document.write
20100320 16:38:16< Unnheulu> does the [if] tag have to be inside an [event] tag btw?
20100320 16:38:19< Gambit> php echo
20100320 16:38:24< Unnheulu> yeh
20100320 16:38:29< Gambit> or coldfusion...
20100320 16:38:36< Gambit> well in CFML you just write what you want :P
20100320 16:38:38< Gambit> plug pluig
20100320 16:38:45< Unnheulu> :/
20100320 16:38:57< Gambit> what exactly do you need to check outside of an event?
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20100320 16:39:10< Gambit> It really depends.
20100320 16:39:12< Unnheulu> whether or not they have pillaged 7 villages
20100320 16:39:18< Unnheulu> hmm
20100320 16:39:23< Gambit> Try a turn refresh event
20100320 16:39:27< Unnheulu> I guess I could put that in the pillage village tag
20100320 16:39:45< Gambit> turn_refresh would check every time the sides switch
20100320 16:40:01< Unnheulu> which isn't when I want it  to happen
20100320 16:40:12< Gambit> But yeah the best way would just be to check during the pillaging
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20100320 16:40:53< Blarumyrran> I think once the new alignment system is in place, there could be Dinnertime and Hungrytime instead of day and night
20100320 16:40:58< Blarumyrran> Hungertime*
20100320 16:41:18< Blarumyrran> Some people function better hungry, some people when fed.
20100320 16:41:39< Gambit> llol
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20100320 16:42:05< Gambit> Add a balmer peak TOD to the noobs vs devs era
20100320 16:43:11< Blarumyrran> I think balmer beak is not complete nonsense
20100320 16:45:01< Unnheulu> uhoh
20100320 16:45:07< Unnheulu> I'm missing the end of a message tag
20100320 16:45:12< Unnheulu> thats gunna take ages to find
20100320 16:45:36< Gambit> edit->find to the rescue!
20100320 16:45:43< Unnheulu> ah
20100320 16:45:48< Unnheulu> but when I've got this many messages
20100320 16:45:51< Gambit> unless WML is projecting the error from elsewhere.
20100320 16:46:11< Gambit> like a macro with the wrong number of arguments
20100320 16:46:32< Gambit> *then* it will take ages
20100320 16:46:41< Unnheulu> found the problem :D
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20100320 16:55:51< Unnheulu> Gambit: how do I find out what unit killed another unit?
20100320 17:01:16< Soliton> unnamedGuy: you could just not build the test target. so for example "scons wesnoth".
20100320 17:01:43< Unnheulu> Gambit: cause "unit" doesn't work
20100320 17:08:03< Unnheulu> Gambit: any ideas? :(
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20100320 17:17:46< Gambit> Unnheulu: secondary_unit I think.
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20100320 17:17:52< Gambit> Check the wiki for automatically stored variables
20100320 17:17:53< Unnheulu> already tried it
20100320 17:18:34< Gambit> second_unit
20100320 17:19:10< Gambit> if that doesn't work (for some crazy reason) then store the unit at $x2,$y2
20100320 17:19:15< Gambit> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/VariablesWML#Automatically_stored_variables
20100320 17:20:25< Unnheulu> trying it
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20100320 17:21:29< Unnheulu> works
20100320 17:21:31< Unnheulu> thanks gambit
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20100320 17:24:02< Unnheulu> Gambit: wanna try the scenario you've been helping me with for ages?
20100320 17:27:56< Gambit> cant right now, but put I willl later
20100320 17:28:14< Unnheulu> ok :P
20100320 17:28:45< Unnheulu> my new map looks so cool :D
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20100320 18:08:33< Unnheulu> how do I make teams in wml?
20100320 18:08:34< Unnheulu> wait
20100320 18:08:36< Unnheulu> I check wii
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20100320 18:09:13< Unnheulu> *wiki
20100320 18:09:18< Unnheulu> aww noones tried my campaign yet
20100320 18:10:15< Zerovirus> Which campaign?
20100320 18:10:32< Unnheulu> Rock out
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20100320 18:10:48< Zerovirus> Latest dev version I suppose? Maybe I'll test it just because BOREDOM. :P
20100320 18:10:54< Unnheulu> :P
20100320 18:12:31< Zerovirus> Wait where is it?
20100320 18:12:48< Gambit> Zerovirus: ello
20100320 18:12:52< Unnheulu> forum :P
20100320 18:13:02< Zerovirus> 'ello
20100320 18:13:14< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: you haven't published on the server?
20100320 18:13:25< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: just one scenario :)
20100320 18:13:32< Gambit> where is there a complete steelhive zip?
20100320 18:13:43< Gambit> did it make it into any eras yet?
20100320 18:13:46< Zerovirus> Lol, the closest thing is the download on the server.
20100320 18:13:56< Gambit> oh :$
20100320 18:14:34< Zerovirus> And I really need a replacement coder, Melinath hasn't been in Art Workshop in forever.
20100320 18:14:47 * Gambit extends are leeching tentacles of doom
20100320 18:14:53< Zerovirus> >>
20100320 18:15:24< Zerovirus> Downloaded the 1-scenario campaign.
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20100320 18:15:45< Unnheulu> ^^
20100320 18:16:07< Zerovirus> Okay now all I need to know is how to copypasta it into Wesnoth. >.>
20100320 18:16:38< Unnheulu> windows linux or mac?
20100320 18:16:41< Zerovirus> windows.
20100320 18:16:49< Gambit> userdata/data/add-ons/
20100320 18:17:03< Gambit> You need 1.7 btw.
20100320 18:17:06< Zerovirus> Shouldn't it be in a folder titled "campaignname"?
20100320 18:17:16< Gambit> Yes
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20100320 18:17:20< Zerovirus> It's not.
20100320 18:17:25< Unnheulu> isn't it?
20100320 18:17:30< Unnheulu> it is when I unzip it
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20100320 18:17:40< Unnheulu> always is when I unzip it...
20100320 18:17:40< kasi> is there a way to continue the scenario after it has ended? I want to continue on the topscroller level
20100320 18:18:02< Zerovirus> Ookay, I made a different option selection on Winzip's screen and now I have a folder so that's okay.
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20100320 18:18:38< Zerovirus> Also, Gambit, you're going to need different terrain tiles for your different planet settings right?
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20100320 18:18:51< Gambit> Er no
20100320 18:19:01< Zerovirus> How are you going to do Gas then?
20100320 18:19:11< Gambit> You can't "get closer" to gas planets
20100320 18:19:19< Gambit> Did you get my latest pm?
20100320 18:19:28< Gambit> just sent it a few minutes ago
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20100320 18:20:29< Gambit> Zerovirus: I'm naming a ship making company after you
20100320 18:20:40< Zerovirus> ...Oh...? Aren't you going to make each planet like a teleport to a bigger map where units live?... And apparently some planets don't do that eh? :P -slowpoke.png-
20100320 18:20:45< Zerovirus> Really now? Sweet.
20100320 18:21:15< Zerovirus> Okay I'm playing this campaign. It feels like a tutorial for Wesnoth.
20100320 18:21:29< Gambit> Well some part of me that pretends to know science well thinks it'dbe a bad idea to fly into a gas giant
20100320 18:21:42< Gambit> on account of your spaceship shooting flames out the back to propel itself
20100320 18:21:45< Unnheulu> :D
20100320 18:21:47< Zerovirus> We have magic :P Magic handwaves everything
20100320 18:21:51< Unnheulu> *BOOM*
20100320 18:22:06< Zerovirus> ...Never allow a Steel Sparkgazer next to a Gas Giant. Ever. :D
20100320 18:22:11< Gambit> lol
20100320 18:22:17< Unnheulu> hehe
20100320 18:22:34< Blarumyrran> Yeah, you just need to shoot a matchstick into a gas giant, and it will explode!
20100320 18:22:48< Gambit> Shoot it's someone that *actually* knows science RUN!
20100320 18:22:55< Zerovirus> Unnheulu: Why are the bandit dudes burning the villages again? I want the income darnit
20100320 18:23:03< Unnheulu> you gain cash from them
20100320 18:23:12< Unnheulu> more cash than you'll gain from them over the campaign ;)
20100320 18:23:35< Zerovirus> Yeah, but -why-? Any storyline explanation for them torching everything?
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20100320 18:24:19< Gambit> Blarumyrran: What if the gas giant were 90% hydrogen?
20100320 18:24:33< Zerovirus> But I also want my units to recuperate in villages... It's not just money ;_;
20100320 18:24:46< shadowmaster> Gambit: is there oxygen at all?
20100320 18:24:59< Gambit> Things other than oxygen can combust.
20100320 18:25:09< Zerovirus> But don't you require oxygen in the first place to combust?
20100320 18:25:13< Unnheulu> Zerovirus: they're rioting :)
20100320 18:25:16< Unnheulu> rioting = fire :-D
20100320 18:25:18< Gambit> :'(
20100320 18:25:24< shadowmaster> oxygen isn't the thing that combusts...
20100320 18:25:27< Zerovirus> Also, is the core of the gas planets pure diamond? :P
20100320 18:25:45< Blarumyrran> Diamonds in gas form :o
20100320 18:25:49< [NaL]> THE CORE OF THE GAS PLANET IS PURE HATRED
20100320 18:25:50< Blarumyrran> My god
20100320 18:26:00< Zerovirus> Final boss of campaign has to be Unicron. This is a must.
20100320 18:26:17< [NaL]> PS: Diamond isn't an element
20100320 18:26:21< shadowmaster> carbon!
20100320 18:26:22< Zerovirus> That or Ballos after he grows to planet size with eight little flyballs orbiting him and all those angels swarming around him.
20100320 18:26:32< Blarumyrran> It's a crystal structure though
20100320 18:26:36< Blarumyrran> so it can't be gas
20100320 18:26:40< Zerovirus> Okay someone has to program the Ballos fight into Wesform. Seriously, I can see how it goes down :P
20100320 18:26:50< shadowmaster> and why there'd be only carbon at the core of the planet? well, a wizard did it.
20100320 18:27:02< [NaL]> KILL THE WIZARD
20100320 18:27:04< Gambit> If the gameplay requires it they can be made to live on venus.
20100320 18:27:08< [NaL]> with a diamond stake
20100320 18:27:25< Blarumyrran> [NaL], nay, we're talking about sci-fi here
20100320 18:27:29< Gambit> Okay then instead of fake crappy science.
20100320 18:27:31< shadowmaster> (best excuse ever for people who are too lazy to do a lot of research on what they ae using)
20100320 18:27:33< [NaL]> Blarumyrran: I got that
20100320 18:27:34< shadowmaster> *are
20100320 18:27:35< Blarumyrran> with a diamondium stake!
20100320 18:27:40< Gambit> We'll just say that thre is no reason to get closer to a gas giant!
20100320 18:28:05< Gambit> The magic doesn't work in gas giants?
20100320 18:28:12< [NaL]> Why not?
20100320 18:28:22< Gambit> Because it's magic.
20100320 18:28:26< Zerovirus> What.
20100320 18:28:31< Gambit> Ask the elves. I didn't make this stuff up.
20100320 18:28:33< Gambit> :P
20100320 18:28:34< [NaL]> what indeed.
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20100320 18:28:42< Gambit> OH wait...
20100320 18:28:50< Zerovirus> I want a freaking fight against a sentient planetsized thing as the final boss darnit.
20100320 18:28:51 * [NaL] asks the elves, who tells [NaL] to ask Gambit
20100320 18:28:52 * Gambit did
20100320 18:29:21< Gambit> There just isn't any reason to go to a gas planet >_>
20100320 18:29:25< Zerovirus> Have you guys played Bubble Tanks? The final boss occurs a certain few travels after you gain highest level.
20100320 18:29:26< [NaL]> there is
20100320 18:29:34< [NaL]> to gather natural gases to use on our planet
20100320 18:29:42< Gambit> Yes but we can do that from orbit
20100320 18:29:44< Gambit> with magic
20100320 18:29:46< [NaL]> and other resources
20100320 18:29:47< Zerovirus> You could do the battles like that, link it to how powerful the player is, scheduled scenarios to occur once the player is at X level of cash or whatever.
20100320 18:29:50< [NaL]> :<
20100320 18:29:51< Gambit> Or rather magitech.
20100320 18:30:23< Gambit> [NaL]: How do thundersticks work?
20100320 18:30:30< Zerovirus> Okay so what's the bonus if I kill Sir Frenchy... Franceis... Whatever?
20100320 18:30:32< [NaL]> BOOM BOOM
20100320 18:30:40< [NaL]> THUNDERSTICKS GO BOOM
20100320 18:30:43< Gambit> [NaL]: How do drakes fly?
20100320 18:30:43< [NaL]> THING DEAD
20100320 18:30:52< [NaL]> DRAKES GO ROAR ROAR
20100320 18:30:58< [NaL]> THEY NOM NOM DEAD COWS
20100320 18:30:59< Gambit> [NaL]: How do mages shoot fireballs?
20100320 18:31:09< [NaL]> MAGES SET FARTS ON FIRE
20100320 18:31:13< [NaL]> err
20100320 18:31:14< [NaL]> wait
20100320 18:31:15< [NaL]> YES
20100320 18:31:30< Zerovirus> Okay this is getting stupid >.>
20100320 18:31:35< Gambit> [NaL]: How do Irdyian space ships mine natural gas from obit?
20100320 18:31:38< [NaL]> Zerovirus: sorry, that's my expertise
20100320 18:31:49< Gambit> *orbit
20100320 18:31:50< [NaL]> Gambit: with chocolate sauce and ice cream
20100320 18:31:54< Gambit> There we go.
20100320 18:31:58< Zerovirus> ...Going to Offtopic for a while. :P
20100320 18:32:13< Gambit> Is Wesnoth the only continent on Irdya?
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20100320 18:32:26< shadowmaster> Gambit: Wesnoth is NOT a continent
20100320 18:32:45< Gambit> Smaller?
20100320 18:32:49< shadowmaster> have you ever researched about Irdya yourself?
20100320 18:33:05< Gambit> I'm reading geography wiki page
20100320 18:33:06< Unnheulu> its a country
20100320 18:33:14< shadowmaster> we have at least the Old Continent, the Great Continent (where Wesnoth is a country in the central area) and there's probably a Southern Continent
20100320 18:33:18< Blarumyrran> Gambit, Irdya is a silly word and thus your question is invalidated anyway
20100320 18:33:24< shadowmaster> Blarumyrran: why?
20100320 18:33:31< Blarumyrran> Because it's... silly!
20100320 18:33:31< [NaL]> How well is Wesnoth Lore written anyways?
20100320 18:33:37< Blarumyrran> Imagine if we called earth Irdya
20100320 18:33:44< shadowmaster> Blarumyrran: so you'd prefer it to be Planet Bob?
20100320 18:33:49< Blarumyrran> I would go on a suicidal rampage if we did
20100320 18:33:57< Blarumyrran> no, I'd prefer it not be a planet
20100320 18:34:09< Gambit> What on irdya are you up to?
20100320 18:34:09< shadowmaster> you are alone in that ;)
20100320 18:34:13< Blarumyrran> :(
20100320 18:34:21< Gambit> Do Irdya's moons have names?
20100320 18:34:36< shadowmaster> it's not like esr, Aethaeryn and I didn't spend time on the issue
20100320 18:34:40< Blarumyrran> Gambit, yes, Yrdylia and Yriryllia
20100320 18:34:48< shadowmaster> Gambit: there's the Lesser Moon and Greater Moon IIRC
20100320 18:34:51< Gambit> Either of them habitable?
20100320 18:35:04< Gambit> Correct answer: yes :s
20100320 18:35:05< Blarumyrran> which sounds kind of like Illyria which isn't that bad a name I guess
20100320 18:35:07< Blarumyrran> But still
20100320 18:35:22< Gambit> Well in my campaign (many thousand years after utbs even)
20100320 18:35:32< Gambit> the elves get ticked at humans and dwarves about global warming
20100320 18:35:33< Unnheulu> can you give more than 1 unit canrecruit=yes?
20100320 18:35:37< Gambit> and they magic themselves ot the moon.
20100320 18:35:39< Unnheulu> cause it don't work :(
20100320 18:35:40< shadowmaster> Gambit: why make a different campaign instead of working with Aethaeryn?
20100320 18:35:41< Unnheulu> lol gambit
20100320 18:35:44< Gambit> Unnheulu: Yes.
20100320 18:35:52< Unnheulu> it ain't recruiting though
20100320 18:36:03< Gambit> And the dwarves and humans keep on their merry technological ways
20100320 18:36:06< Gambit> abandoning magic
20100320 18:36:35< Gambit> But then the elves come back a few hundred years later and magic+technology=space flight
20100320 18:37:12< Gambit> Technology couldn't get out of earths atmosphere, and the magic took too long and killed the people involved with the planet warping spell
20100320 18:37:15< Gambit> but togethor we get space ships
20100320 18:37:28< Gambit> *s/earth/Irdya
20100320 18:37:28< Gambit> :s
20100320 18:37:33< shadowmaster> that wasn't quite our plan, but it doesn't really matter because UMC are allowed to be a bunch of unrelated mediocre content that doesn't share a common ground besides Wesnoth's engine and mainline lore.
20100320 18:38:01< Blarumyrran> what wasn't
20100320 18:38:02< Gambit> shadowmaster: It is 3000 years after your farthest flung plan :o
20100320 18:38:06< Gambit> unless you have planned space :(
20100320 18:38:11< shadowmaster> Gambit: we have.
20100320 18:38:14< Gambit> damn
20100320 18:38:28< Gambit> Anywhere I could find those plans?
20100320 18:38:53< Gambit> I'm not working with Aethaeryn because he's working on a sort of standard campaign.
20100320 18:39:06< Gambit> I'm making a space sim.
20100320 18:39:07< shadowmaster> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Future_History, http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Thunderstone, and get in touch with Aethaeryn since not all information there might be up to date
20100320 18:39:13< Gambit> free roam
20100320 18:39:23< Blarumyrran> I really think the whole planetary thing is just wrong. Eg something that would be cool, I think, would be if there would be space but it would be 2d - like a giant black ocean (with stars and black holes and whatnot) where people sail with actual ships
20100320 18:39:23< Gambit> But I'll try to make it fit the history
20100320 18:39:39< Blarumyrran> Like, with sails
20100320 18:40:07< Gambit> shadowmaster: thanks
20100320 18:40:08< Blarumyrran> It would be slightly silly, but in a good way
20100320 18:40:43< shadowmaster> the idea of people sailing on space with actual sea ships sounds familiar to me
20100320 18:40:53< Gambit> oh sweet he thought science+magic=space too :D
20100320 18:41:02< Blarumyrran> shadowmaster, whut, I think I've never heard such?
20100320 18:41:02< Zerovirus> Make a steampunk people :o
20100320 18:41:04< shadowmaster> I could swear I saw it implemented somewhere
20100320 18:41:21< Zerovirus> Final boss: a black hole threatening to swallow EVARYTHANG
20100320 18:42:06< Gambit> I dunno how I'm going to do an ending on Dynamica. It's a free roam kind of thing
20100320 18:42:15< Gambit> as long as you keep exploreing, its supposed to keep making more.
20100320 18:42:33< Blarumyrran> Gambit, you'll commit suicide ultimately, after experiencing the vastness of the universe and your insignificance
20100320 18:42:45< Blarumyrran> There's an insignificance-o-meter
20100320 18:42:48< Gambit> It'll probably be like some final fantasy games. The final boss is there but you're in no hurry to go kick his butt.
20100320 18:42:56< Zerovirus> As long as you -keep winning- and keep exploring it'llm ake more.
20100320 18:43:00< Zerovirus> If you lose you'll lose.
20100320 18:43:24< Gambit> Zerovirus: Define lose in the age of space and cloning and conscious transfering machines.
20100320 18:43:37< Gambit> conscience?
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20100320 18:44:02< Gambit> Zerovirus: there is no win or lose, as you're free to go back anywhere you want
20100320 18:44:04< Gambit> or keep going
20100320 18:44:12< Blarumyrran> consciousness
20100320 18:44:47< Zerovirus> Sigh. Then how are you going to integrate a storyline?
20100320 18:44:58< Zerovirus> Right now it's a sandbox idea. An awesome one but still sandbox.
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20100320 18:45:16< Gambit> we're allowed to just plop down new wiki pages for UMCs?
20100320 18:45:20< Zerovirus> Storylines should intrinsically be defined by your success and defeat otherwise it's just another systemic factor in a sandbox world.
20100320 18:45:29< shadowmaster> Gambit: no idea.
20100320 18:45:34< shadowmaster> avoid that if you can.
20100320 18:46:02< shadowmaster> (um, so why did we do it? well, esr and I support the plan and we are mainline developers and we are all above you, mere mortals)
20100320 18:46:03< Gambit> My UMCs get their own websites
20100320 18:46:12< Gambit> or at least until the hosting company goes out of buisness with no warning >_>
20100320 18:46:15< Gambit> jerks.
20100320 18:46:18< shadowmaster> Gambit: gotta have a lot of money in your pcoket
20100320 18:46:20< shadowmaster> pocket
20100320 18:46:35< Zerovirus> pekocet.
20100320 18:46:38< Gambit> well it was free hosting and I got 5 subdomains
20100320 18:46:48< Gambit> initially I had to get it for a school project.
20100320 18:46:50< shadowmaster> free hosting sucks :x
20100320 18:47:01< Gambit> Ad free free hosting.
20100320 18:47:13< shadowmaster> regardless of ads
20100320 18:47:40< Gambit> It had 100% uptime while I had it
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20100320 18:47:44< shadowmaster> can you run CGI programs there? does it have PHP support? can you have a database server? do you have SSH access? etc.
20100320 18:47:47< Gambit> but there were often times when I could not access the FPI
20100320 18:47:52< Gambit> It had PHP support and mySQL
20100320 18:47:57< Gambit> I didn't know either of those at the time
20100320 18:47:59< Gambit> er FTP
20100320 18:48:13< Gambit> You've been playing wesnoth too long when you mix up acronyms with similar wesnoth ones :P
20100320 18:48:21< Zerovirus> I have OCA
20100320 18:48:30< shadowmaster> FTP sucks.
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20100320 18:48:33< Zerovirus> Overly Complicated Acronyms
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20100320 18:48:53< shadowmaster> Gambit: with what limitations, regarding PHP support and the MySQL instance?
20100320 18:48:58< Blarumyrran> shadowmaster, what's better than ftp then
20100320 18:49:07< Gambit> 5 mySQL databases
20100320 18:49:15< shadowmaster> Blarumyrran: for managing files on my own website, SSH
20100320 18:49:17< Gambit> I didn't know PHP or mySQL so I really didn't pay attnetion
20100320 18:49:58< Blarumyrran> I never knew SSH can be used for downloading & sending files
20100320 18:50:01< shadowmaster> which allows me to work on the actual target filesystem and run whatever I need to get something done using an actual shell
20100320 18:50:14< shadowmaster> well, rsync and scp can use SSH
20100320 18:51:05< shadowmaster> SFTP is also designed on top of SSH
20100320 18:52:23< shadowmaster> (which doesn't have anything to do with FTP besides the name and basic idea)
20100320 18:54:32< Gambit> shadowmaster: nothing is currently written on other planets with life?
20100320 18:55:27< shadowmaster> not written, no
20100320 18:55:34< shadowmaster> well, actually, yes, but not released
20100320 18:56:15< Gambit> meh. I think I'll just get the "engine" done first and then worry about the history.
20100320 18:56:27< Gambit> Mostly I need technology specifics
20100320 18:57:08< Gambit> shadowmaster: in the currently written history do they manage to leave their own solar system?
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20100320 18:58:25< shadowmaster> I think so.
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20100320 19:10:05< Gambit> someone who knows science: can there be lone planets that don't have anything to revolve around?
20100320 19:10:14< Soliton> sure.
20100320 19:10:51< Gambit> So there doesn't have to be a sun at the center of everything xD
20100320 19:10:55< Gambit> dangit
20100320 19:11:13< Gambit> errr teleportation magic requires a sun to be nearby :s
20100320 19:11:15< Gambit> haha
20100320 19:11:19< Soliton> well, when the planet formed there was but i can get thrown out of orbit.
20100320 19:11:25< Soliton> s/i/it/
20100320 19:12:21< Gambit> All stars are planets?
20100320 19:12:31< Soliton> no.
20100320 19:12:32 * Gambit needs to take astonomy next year.
20100320 19:12:57< Soliton> planets just form around stars.
20100320 19:13:48< Gambit> okay so then all stars are "suns" more or less
20100320 19:13:56< Becquerel> yes
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20100320 19:14:09< Gambit> not all suns have planets?
20100320 19:14:13< Soliton> indeed.
20100320 19:14:15< Becquerel> probably not
20100320 19:14:16< HanSolo> Nope.
20100320 19:14:28< happygrue> "the sun" is what we call our star
20100320 19:14:55< Gambit> So then what I have setup isn't actually too far off
20100320 19:15:05< Becquerel> sun and star are synonymous
20100320 19:15:10< Becquerel> (mostly)
20100320 19:16:52< HanSolo> Those poor Footpads. At level 0, their Description gives them hope ("If you're good enough, you can avoid being captured and having tomatoes thrown at you!"
20100320 19:17:06< HanSolo> At level 2, they turn into badass outlaws that call the shots.
20100320 19:17:36< HanSolo> Level 3: Congratulations, you are on Wesnoth's Most Wanted! Now you're screwed and law-abiding society is going to find and kill you.
20100320 19:17:52< Becquerel> except they can't due to INVISIBILITY
20100320 19:20:29< Gambit> Except for the lone planets with no stars...
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20100320 19:30:25< Blarumyrran> done
20100320 19:31:09< Gambit> ... with?
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20100320 19:34:13< Blarumyrran> http://imagebin.org/89675
20100320 19:35:25< fendrin> Gambit: I have answered to your post in the wml editor thread.
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20100320 19:36:52< Gambit> fendrin: cool
20100320 19:37:03< Blarumyrran> The sail did not get proper care I guess
20100320 19:37:52< Gambit> Zarel: What license is on WZ2100 art?
20100320 19:38:25< HanSolo> Elvish Shamans are my favorite support unit
20100320 19:38:34< HanSolo> *elven, not support
20100320 19:38:49< John_R> shamans are good
20100320 19:38:49< Zarel> Gambit: Some CC-0. Some dual-licensed CC-BY-3.0/GPLv2. Some dual-licensed CC-BY-SA-3.0/GPLv2.
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20100320 19:38:56< John_R> pillagers are good too
20100320 19:39:04< John_R> intellignet wolf riders are gold
20100320 19:39:12< Gambit> So screenshots of WZ2100 units could be used in Wesnoth?
20100320 19:39:14< Blarumyrran> Elvish pillagers are full of ego though
20100320 19:39:22< Zarel> There's also some pure GPLv2, CC-BY-3.0, and CC-BY-SA-3.0 that we've been meaning to replace.
20100320 19:40:10< John_R> a turn-based warzone2100 based on wesnoh would be frikkin awesome
20100320 19:40:39< John_R> the name "battle for warzone" seems sort of redundant though
20100320 19:40:50< Gambit> Wesnoth 2100?
20100320 19:40:56< John_R> rofl
20100320 19:41:00< Gambit> Though I think that's right in the middle of UTBS
20100320 19:41:01< Gambit> :P
20100320 19:41:33< HanSolo> Quenoth Elves are much manlier than Normal Wood Elves
20100320 19:41:39< Gambit> actually there doesn't appear to be a Wesnoth 2100
20100320 19:41:58< Gambit> because they start a fresh calender around 1900
20100320 19:42:06< Gambit> *+YW
20100320 19:42:06< HanSolo> There is no Wesnoth in 2100, right?
20100320 19:42:24< HanSolo> IF that's when UtBS is set...
20100320 19:42:35< HanSolo> and nobody knows that
20100320 19:42:52< John_R> does anybody have a wesnoth nudity patch?
20100320 19:43:03< Gambit> John_R: Ask kitty
20100320 19:43:08< Blarumyrran> I was about to say that
20100320 19:43:15< John_R> hheheh
20100320 19:44:13< HanSolo> What the hell, guys.
20100320 19:44:15< HanSolo> What the hell.
20100320 19:44:54< Gambit> HanSolo: Ask kitty
20100320 19:45:20< HanSolo> I like my units clothed.
20100320 19:45:21< HanSolo> :D
20100320 19:45:33< Sacho> aren't most drakes naked
20100320 19:45:43< HanSolo> They were speedos
20100320 19:45:50< HanSolo> *Wear
20100320 19:48:11< Gambit> Let's not do this again. http://wesnoth.debian.net/%23wesnoth-2010-03-18.log
20100320 19:52:49< Zarel> Gambit: Yes.
20100320 19:52:52< Zarel> Screenshots can be used in Warzone.
20100320 19:53:00< Zarel> Sorry for the long reply; I was working on Warzone graphics. ;)
20100320 19:53:37< HanSolo> Nice boat.
20100320 19:54:11< Blarumyrran> Thanks
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20100320 20:01:11< Unnheulu> yo Gambit you tried the 1 scenario campaign yet?
20100320 20:01:22< Gambit> No
20100320 20:04:06< Unnheulu> Gambit: http://pastebin.org/118909
20100320 20:04:10< Unnheulu> it's not recruiting anything :/
20100320 20:04:11< HanSolo> Maknig an epilogue is just moving units around with fakemove, having them speak, and then using nextscenario=null ot whatever, right?
20100320 20:04:48< Gambit> Unnheulu: Did you take over side 2 and try it?
20100320 20:04:57< Unnheulu> it has a gold crown
20100320 20:05:04< Gambit> I don't think the AI supports multileaders
20100320 20:05:08< Gambit> They're too dumb.
20100320 20:05:08< Unnheulu> maaan
20100320 20:05:15< Unnheulu> so its got to be a diffferent side?
20100320 20:05:19< Gambit> A human side
20100320 20:05:28< Unnheulu> how do I take over the side?
20100320 20:05:34< HanSolo> 500x500 map
20100320 20:05:39< Gambit> :droid side_number
20100320 20:05:44< Gambit> err : droid
20100320 20:05:46< Unnheulu> thanks
20100320 20:05:50< Gambit> stupid smileys
20100320 20:06:21< Unnheulu> :D
20100320 20:06:28< Unnheulu> it works when I'm human -.-
20100320 20:06:33< Unnheulu> pah
20100320 20:06:51< Unnheulu> that sux
20100320 20:06:55< Gambit> Yeah they AI looks at it's second head and says wth do I do with this thing?
20100320 20:07:02< Unnheulu> :D
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20100320 20:13:17< Gambit> Unnheulu: I'm geting unknown scenario again :s
20100320 20:13:22< Unnheulu> :/
20100320 20:13:24< Gambit> and I even used wordpad on all the files
20100320 20:13:27< Unnheulu> :/
20100320 20:13:37< Unnheulu> it worked for zerovirus
20100320 20:13:55< Unnheulu> hmm
20100320 20:14:13< Unnheulu> maybe I don't want 5 dwarf sides each recruiting 6 gryphon riders a turn
20100320 20:14:13< Unnheulu> :-D
20100320 20:14:24< Unnheulu> you gotta feel sorry for the orcs
20100320 20:14:28< Unnheulu> they don't stand a chance!
20100320 20:14:41< Unnheulu> And I mean its gryphon mountain...
20100320 20:14:46< Unnheulu> but thats just taking the mickey
20100320 20:15:57< Unnheulu> in other news I won TSG on my iPod! W00t
20100320 20:16:02< Unnheulu> it was super tough -.-
20100320 20:16:08< Unnheulu> took me like a fortnight
20100320 20:16:25< Unnheulu> (and yes I was playing on easiest difficulty (I'm just super bad :D))
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20100320 20:19:59< Unnheulu> Wow, 1 team of orcs with level 3's can hold off 5 teams of dwarves with level 1 riders
20100320 20:20:08< Gambit> Unnheulu: It won't let me play. Dunno.
20100320 20:20:13< Unnheulu> Gambit: :/
20100320 20:20:26< Unnheulu> does it have the right folder name?
20100320 20:20:33< Gambit> Yes
20100320 20:20:37< Unnheulu> humm
20100320 20:20:39< Unnheulu> Rock_out?
20100320 20:20:43< Gambit> Yes
20100320 20:20:53< Unnheulu> does it have all the files and folders?
20100320 20:20:59< Gambit> Yrd
20100320 20:21:02< Gambit> *yes
20100320 20:21:11< Unnheulu> humm
20100320 20:21:15< Unnheulu> whats the error?
20100320 20:21:37< Gambit> unkown scenario
20100320 20:22:03< Unnheulu> :/
20100320 20:22:21< Unnheulu> maybe its cause there is a mix of tbas and spaces...
20100320 20:22:23< Unnheulu> *tabs
20100320 20:22:55< Unnheulu> aargh all these gryphons is hurting my eyes
20100320 20:24:28< HanSolo> So, Loyalistvs. Loyalist matchups. BORING.
20100320 20:24:35< Unnheulu> :-D
20100320 20:24:55< HanSolo> I'm planning a futre campaign with human vs. human battle.
20100320 20:25:48< Unnheulu> you wouldn't know whos units are whos
20100320 20:26:39< HanSolo> Would a typical loyalist recruit list  be balanced against a mixed Loyalist/Bandit recuit list?
20100320 20:27:12< Unnheulu> hansolo, try it?
20100320 20:27:22< Unnheulu> (two ai's vs eachother)
20100320 20:27:35< HanSolo> Ha. Alright.
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20100320 20:31:25< timotei21> good night everyone
20100320 20:33:03< Gambit> Good afternoon.
20100320 20:34:38< timotei21> Do you know Soliton's time zone?
20100320 20:34:41< Unnheulu> Good evening
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20100320 20:35:57< timotei21> I am trying to apply for GSoc, and as a "requirement" I need/should have my forum account marked as GSoc
20100320 20:36:17< Gambit> timotei21: #wesnoth-dev
20100320 20:46:51< Unnheulu> cool
20100320 20:47:03< Unnheulu> it takes 9 turns for 5 dwarves to beat 1 orc team
20100320 20:47:18< Unnheulu> (although the orcs could get level3s and dwarves just level1 gryphon riders)
20100320 20:47:35< HanSolo> I'll be giving both sides Spearmen, Bowmen, Magi, and Cavalrymen.
20100320 20:48:14< Soliton> timotei21: do you have a question?
20100320 20:48:25< HanSolo> The Loyalist side gets Horsemen and Heavy Infantry, the Mixed side gets Thugs, Footpads, and Thievs.
20100320 20:48:28< HanSolo> *Thieves
20100320 20:50:48< HanSolo> Anything look just plain /wrong/ yet?
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20100320 20:55:36 * Gambit has to redo his special planet filing cabinet :(
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20100320 20:56:56< Unnheulu> Gambit: don't suppose you want to retry my campaign first :P
20100320 20:57:13< Gambit> reretry?
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20100320 20:57:32< Unnheulu> reretry getting it working :P
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20100320 20:58:06< Gambit> Well I honestly can't think of anything else
20100320 20:58:11< Gambit> I know from last time that your code is right
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20100320 20:58:20< Gambit> and I did the linebreak fixing magic spell :o
20100320 20:58:25< Unnheulu> and it works for me
20100320 20:58:27< Unnheulu> hmm
20100320 20:58:30< Unnheulu> are you on windows?
20100320 20:58:41< Unnheulu> aren't line breaks different on linux?
20100320 20:58:41< Gambit> Yeeees
20100320 20:58:42< Unnheulu> wait
20100320 20:58:43-!- timotei21 [~timotei21@193.34.191.4] has joined #wesnoth
20100320 20:58:43< Unnheulu> >.<
20100320 20:58:53< Unnheulu> maybe its my mix of tabs and spaces
20100320 20:58:56< Gambit> Which is why I opened and saved it in wordpad
20100320 20:59:07< Gambit> it magically fixed all that last time :@
20100320 20:59:07< Unnheulu> try re-doing that
20100320 20:59:11< Gambit> the map, the main, and the scenario
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20100320 21:08:11< noone> thats funny
20100320 21:08:17< noone>  /quit does not work
20100320 21:08:34< Gambit> alt+f4
20100320 21:08:58< noone> ha, intelligent guys here :D
20100320 21:09:14< Gambit> ;)
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20100320 21:11:24< chris|> hi guys
20100320 21:11:31-!- Deformative [~joe@67-194-18-44.wireless.umnet.umich.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
20100320 21:11:53< chris|> i just installed wesnoth-unstable on ubuntu lucid and i can't click on anything in the menus
20100320 21:12:07< chris|> is this known and is there a sollution to this?
20100320 21:12:09< Ivanovic> chris|: you have libsdl1.2.14 installed
20100320 21:12:12< Ivanovic> this one is broken
20100320 21:12:29< Ivanovic> either you play in fullscreen mode, downgrade libsdl to 1.2.13 or use a different window manager
20100320 21:12:45< Ivanovic> cf https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?14770
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20100320 21:13:05< Soliton> btw, do we know if it's broken on windows as well?
20100320 21:13:06< chris|> thanks Ivanovic, i'll try fullscreen then
20100320 21:13:26< Ivanovic> chris|: feel free to submit a bugreport about this to the ubuntu people to maybe make them reconsider shipping 1.2.14 since, at least with wesnoth, it does have some problems
20100320 21:13:29< Ivanovic> Soliton: no idea
20100320 21:13:47< Ivanovic> Soliton: so far i think that we don't ship 1.2.14 with our binary
20100320 21:14:12< Soliton> yeah, i assumed as much.
20100320 21:14:47< Ivanovic> in general i'd say: talk to loonycyborg about the windows binary
20100320 21:15:15< Soliton> well, i was just idly wondering.
20100320 21:17:54< Unnheulu> Gambit: try relinebreak magicing :P
20100320 21:18:05< Gambit> ?
20100320 21:18:40< Unnheulu> try reopening them in wordpad
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20100320 21:22:25< Gambit> er
20100320 21:22:35 * Gambit may have accidently put Rock_out in 1.6 
20100320 21:22:39< Gambit> -face palm-
20100320 21:22:57< Unnheulu> :-D
20100320 21:23:18< Gambit> I can neither confirm nor deny such retardery at this point. I'm not at the liberty to discuss those sorts of details on an ongoing investigation.
20100320 21:23:28< chris|> Ivanovic, I doubt they'll change anything since lucid is already in beta
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20100320 21:24:30< Unnheulu> I suck at balancing my maps :(
20100320 21:25:18-!- Gambit is now known as MatterNots
20100320 21:25:24< MatterNots> *I* am matter nots!
20100320 21:26:16< HanSolo> A map I made was gimicky: most of it was desert
20100320 21:26:23< HanSolo> Then soemone played drakes
20100320 21:27:32< MatterNots> Unnheulu: Some typos
20100320 21:27:35< MatterNots> to too and two
20100320 21:27:37< Unnheulu> yeh I know
20100320 21:27:42< MatterNots> And "I am matter nots" :s
20100320 21:27:46< Unnheulu> my bro pointed them out earlier
20100320 21:27:47< Unnheulu> :D
20100320 21:27:52< Unnheulu> its matters not ::P
20100320 21:27:56< Unnheulu> again a typo
20100320 21:28:24< Unnheulu> (and with the accent I'm think of some of the local dialects)
20100320 21:29:31< MatterNots> woo victory for zim
20100320 21:29:42< MatterNots> er don't slap me
20100320 21:29:47< MatterNots> but they need more peasants
20100320 21:29:51< MatterNots> haha
20100320 21:30:09< MatterNots> I think you should spawn one or two peasants from each village that gets burnt down
20100320 21:30:15< MatterNots> depending on difficulty
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20100320 21:31:29< MatterNots> that way we get surrounded/held up
20100320 21:31:32< Unnheulu> ok
20100320 21:31:43< Unnheulu> Again, my bro found it very easy and its been   years since he played
20100320 21:31:49< MatterNots> I won in 4 minutes that time so it went too far the other way.
20100320 21:31:52< Unnheulu> so perhaps making it harder would be a good idea
20100320 21:31:58< MatterNots> But I guess that was on trivial
20100320 21:32:31< Unnheulu> humm
20100320 21:32:44< Unnheulu> sir franchis gets bowman and spearmen on hardest
20100320 21:32:51< Unnheulu> (as well as peasents, obviously :P)
20100320 21:33:01< MatterNots> I know but he can't get them to the villages fast enough
20100320 21:33:08< Unnheulu> humm ok
20100320 21:33:15< MatterNots> let me try hardest real quick
20100320 21:33:19< Unnheulu> ok
20100320 21:33:26< Unnheulu> note the hardest is just normal
20100320 21:33:35< MatterNots> The peasants made it just in time to scratch me as I burnt the last village
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20100320 21:33:47< Unnheulu> thats not what happened last time...
20100320 21:33:52< MatterNots> but since their weapons are pitchforks I guess the scratch would get infected :o
20100320 21:33:57< Unnheulu> last time there was a bit of fighting
20100320 21:33:58< Unnheulu> haha
20100320 21:34:02< Unnheulu> thats a good idea
20100320 21:34:13< MatterNots> Well just think about what pitchforks are used for ;)
20100320 21:34:16< Unnheulu> on being hit by peasants you have a 50% chance of infection
20100320 21:34:17< Unnheulu> :P
20100320 21:36:50< MatterNots> thieves outrun the soldiers
20100320 21:37:06< MatterNots> make the map longer vertically and make the player start... 4-5 hexes further from the castle
20100320 21:37:18< MatterNots> make the river wider I guess is basically what I'm saying
20100320 21:37:29< Unnheulu> kay
20100320 21:37:35< MatterNots> althoguh I guess the turn limit is just 13
20100320 21:37:43< Unnheulu> is there any easier way of doing that?
20100320 21:37:46< MatterNots> I dunno maybe I'm kust that good ;)
20100320 21:37:48< MatterNots> rofl
20100320 21:37:53< Unnheulu> cause I'm going to have to move it all down one hex at a time
20100320 21:37:54< Unnheulu> :P
20100320 21:38:01< Unnheulu> (eg adding in the new rows in the middle :P
20100320 21:38:06< MatterNots> 1.7 has an awesome copy paste feature
20100320 21:38:46< MatterNots> The AI just can't setup a defense fast enough
20100320 21:38:51< MatterNots> They need one more turn.
20100320 21:38:52< Unnheulu> ok
20100320 21:39:23< Unnheulu> maybe they could start off with peasants on each of their cities
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20100320 21:41:53< MatterNots> yeah one on each that were told not to move.
20100320 21:41:54< Unnheulu> MatterNots: that river is just a stream coming off the great river..:P
20100320 21:42:04< Unnheulu> how d'ya stop them moving?
20100320 21:42:09< MatterNots> and on easy replace them with bowman
20100320 21:42:10< Unnheulu> is there a mobility=no or something?
20100320 21:42:24< MatterNots> no but there is [modifications]
20100320 21:42:26< Unnheulu> easy or normal?
20100320 21:42:28< Unnheulu> ok
20100320 21:42:32< MatterNots> er Normal
20100320 21:42:36< Unnheulu> :P
20100320 21:43:31< MatterNots> just remember /me sucks at balancing things
20100320 21:44:00< Unnheulu> so does I :(
20100320 21:47:40< Unnheulu> MatterNots: although trying to kill sir franchis should make a nice challenge
20100320 21:48:38< Unnheulu> If I add soldiers to the villages, then the map doesn't need to be made bigger, right?
20100320 21:50:41< MatterNots> Right
20100320 21:50:50< Unnheulu> kay
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20100320 21:52:38< Unnheulu> how do I stop a unit moving?
20100320 21:52:49< HanSolo> MatterNots: Just don't spawn surpise deathbladesor other such sillynes, if you're talking about a campaign
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20100320 21:53:15< HanSolo> Also, what is more annoying than a steafast strong resilient Dwarvish Guardsman on a village?
20100320 21:53:31< Unnheulu> :-D
20100320 21:53:33< MatterNots> A yeti with 100% resist to everything?
20100320 21:53:38< Unnheulu> xD
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20100320 21:54:29< MatterNots> HanSolo: So you would be against surprise deathblades in space?
20100320 21:55:04< HanSolo> Deathblades could seriously kill things dead
20100320 21:55:17< Unnheulu> MatterNots: how do I stop a unit moving? :P
20100320 21:55:39< MatterNots> [modifications]
20100320 21:55:42< MatterNots> inside of [unit]
20100320 21:56:32< Unnheulu> then?
20100320 21:56:54< MatterNots> [effect] inside [modifications]
20100320 21:56:57< HanSolo> That's how I did it.
20100320 21:57:08< Unnheulu> kay
20100320 21:57:11< HanSolo> Coming of The Storm had copies f mainline units with 0 MP
20100320 21:57:20< HanSolo> Also known as "doing it the hard way"
20100320 21:57:55< MatterNots> shadowmaster: http://www.disk919.com/bb2/bitchecker.html
20100320 21:58:02< MatterNots> A friend just sent me that. Excellent read XD
20100320 21:58:14< Unnheulu> shadowm_laptop: should  a campaign be finished before being uploaded to the server?
20100320 21:58:18< HanSolo> Hm. My leader is a Mage with aslightly buffed HP and a 5-4 sword using modifications) instead of a staff.
20100320 21:58:22< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: no
20100320 21:58:29< HanSolo> Just to prevent annoying "MY LEADER DIED TO A HORSEMAN" things
20100320 21:58:32< Unnheulu> should it have more than one scenario?
20100320 21:58:34< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: it should at least have one playable scenario
20100320 21:58:35< Unnheulu> ^_^
20100320 21:58:50< Unnheulu> oh, so I can upload my one scenario campaign? :-D
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20100320 21:58:57< HanSolo> Wait, no. To give her soem chance of defending melee
20100320 21:59:09< Unnheulu> MatterNots: what goes inside the effects tag?
20100320 21:59:24< Unnheulu> anyways I gotta finish the next scenario before I can next upload to the forums
20100320 21:59:44< MatterNots> Unnheulu: you lost that thing I gave you from my dad from his dad didn't you? :P
20100320 21:59:50< Unnheulu> totally
20100320 21:59:59 * MatterNots is weening you off of help :P
20100320 22:00:06< Blarumyrran> MatterNots, that joke is ancient, it's not real.
20100320 22:00:08< Unnheulu> Waaaah
20100320 22:00:47< Unnheulu> MatterNots: so then do I do [movement] :D
20100320 22:01:06< MatterNots> No. Because that isn't a real tag.
20100320 22:01:13< Unnheulu> man
20100320 22:01:19< Unnheulu> so I do movement=set=0?
20100320 22:01:24< Unnheulu> wait
20100320 22:01:28< Unnheulu> thats not normal code >.<
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20100320 22:02:14< MatterNots> Go look up the object tag :@
20100320 22:02:18< shadowmaster> MatterNots: no comment.
20100320 22:02:24< MatterNots> and then follow the crumbtrail to the effect tag
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20100320 22:02:39< Unnheulu> I'm on effectWML
20100320 22:02:42< Unnheulu> :P
20100320 22:03:08< Unnheulu> #  movement: modifies the unit's movement points.
20100320 22:03:08< Unnheulu>     * increase: maximum movement is increased by this amount. It can be positive, negative, or specified as a percentage.
20100320 22:03:08< Unnheulu>     * set: maximum movement is set to a specific value. 
20100320 22:03:10< Unnheulu> :P
20100320 22:03:15< Unnheulu> it doesn't give much info
20100320 22:03:37< Unnheulu> could I do movement=set
20100320 22:03:39< Unnheulu> movement=0?
20100320 22:04:11< MatterNots> apply_to=movement
20100320 22:04:19< MatterNots> set=0
20100320 22:04:23< Unnheulu> ok thanks!
20100320 22:04:48< HanSolo> I got the "Giving sword to my mage" info from Moremirmu
20100320 22:05:41< HanSolo> It's easy finding things if you know exactly what you want and if you can remember a scenario with it in a campaign
20100320 22:06:22< Unnheulu> now i just gotta do 8 copypastes :/
20100320 22:06:33< MatterNots> If only there were a website with a list of all the WML tags...
20100320 22:06:43< Unnheulu> :D
20100320 22:06:54< Unnheulu> can I do #ifdef EASY || MEDIUM?
20100320 22:07:09< Unnheulu> or #ifdef EASY or MEDIUM?
20100320 22:07:13< Unnheulu> or anything like that?
20100320 22:07:36< MatterNots> Yes.
20100320 22:07:45< Unnheulu> yay
20100320 22:07:45< MatterNots> as long as you remember the corresponding #endif
20100320 22:07:50< Unnheulu> that'll save to,e
20100320 22:07:51< shadowmaster> ahhh, finally someone with common sense replies to rocket16's thread
20100320 22:08:16 * shadowmaster smiles
20100320 22:08:46< MatterNots> Omg that can happen?
20100320 22:08:50< HanSolo> What
20100320 22:08:55< MatterNots> Ha just kidding shadowmaster.
20100320 22:09:20 * HanSolo lurks on the forums
20100320 22:09:35< shadowmaster> uh, yeah, thanks for demonstrating my point.
20100320 22:09:45< MatterNots> Which one?
20100320 22:10:01< shadowmaster> enough already, you did a good job :x
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20100320 22:12:35< Unnheulu> MatterNots: you can't do #ifdef EASY || MEDIUM :/
20100320 22:12:45< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: no
20100320 22:13:00< MatterNots> er #ifdef EASY or #ifdef MEDIUM
20100320 22:13:08< Unnheulu> man
20100320 22:13:13< Unnheulu> *cries*
20100320 22:13:34< MatterNots> ussually people use || to denote options
20100320 22:13:43< shadowmaster> it's NORMAL, not MEDIUM anyway
20100320 22:13:59< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: depends on what you set in the _main.cfg ;)
20100320 22:14:01< MatterNots> Wouldn't that depend on your difficulty definitions ;)
20100320 22:14:16< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: hopefully you set NORMAL because it's the convention
20100320 22:14:32< shadowmaster> this is assumed by the QUANTITY macro and other macros that rely on it (GOLD, ec.)
20100320 22:14:43< Unnheulu> anyways, it was normal not medium
20100320 22:14:56< Unnheulu> I was just piggybacking gryphons tale or w/e
20100320 22:14:59< Unnheulu> and thought it used medium
20100320 22:15:10< shadowmaster> some older campaigns didn't care
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20100320 22:15:43< Unnheulu> kay
20100320 22:16:02< shadowmaster> you can use #ifndef HARD   to the effect of "#ifdef EASY || NORMAL" btw
20100320 22:16:20< Unnheulu> "£$%^&*()_+
20100320 22:16:28< Unnheulu> I've already copypasted it loads of times >.>
20100320 22:16:57< shadowmaster> if your choice is to be a lazy coder, so be it :)
20100320 22:16:59< Unnheulu> btw, does campaigns on the server have to fit in with wesnoths history?
20100320 22:17:04< shadowmaster> no.
20100320 22:17:08< shadowmaster> and that's terrible.
20100320 22:17:12< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: I AM A LAZY CODER GOSH DRATIT!
20100320 22:17:38< Blarumyrran> I never understood that "lazyness is good" thing
20100320 22:18:00< HanSolo> I try to figure things out by myself
20100320 22:18:03< shadowmaster> I was implying that I'm not willing to help lazy coders
20100320 22:18:15< Unnheulu> well if I wasn't lazy I wouldn't have an excuse for procrasinating revision
20100320 22:18:25< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: ah I see :)
20100320 22:18:35< Unnheulu> your back to your old overusage of the banstick :)
20100320 22:18:46< shadowmaster> so don't come to throw faux swear words at us only because you are too lazy to undo your mess
20100320 22:18:54< Unnheulu> :)
20100320 22:18:59< Blarumyrran> Unnheulu, was that an allusion to masturbation
20100320 22:19:08< Unnheulu> I beg your pudding?
20100320 22:19:11< Blarumyrran> nvm
20100320 22:19:20< shadowmaster> I think he meant banhammer
20100320 22:19:34< Unnheulu> anyways, in all seriousness, other than the question about EASY || MEDIUM, I've checked all my questions on the wiki before asking
20100320 22:19:35< Blarumyrran> yeah i saw now
20100320 22:19:44< Unnheulu> I'm just not good at finding the answers properly :/
20100320 22:19:57< shadowmaster> if I actually overused bans Gambit would not be here in the first place :)
20100320 22:20:03< Unnheulu> :-D
20100320 22:20:20< shadowmaster> or you.
20100320 22:20:26< Unnheulu> *cries*
20100320 22:20:42< Unnheulu> hmm
20100320 22:20:51< HanSolo> or me!
20100320 22:20:52< Unnheulu> looks like defining sides should be one of the first things I do...
20100320 22:21:01< MatterNots> There'd be negative 2 gambits
20100320 22:21:05< MatterNots> that guy spams so much.
20100320 22:21:17< shadowmaster> HanSolo: uh, who are you? :/
20100320 22:21:20< Unnheulu> wait it is :D
20100320 22:21:36< MatterNots> He doesn't mean to though, and there are diamonds in the rough imho.
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20100320 22:22:03< HanSolo> shadowmaster: a wraith
20100320 22:22:26< shadowmaster> good *thumbs up*
20100320 22:22:52< Unnheulu> ah
20100320 22:22:53< Unnheulu> uhoh
20100320 22:23:00< HanSolo> I /was/ a Spearman until someone decided to have me attack a deathblade
20100320 22:23:04< Unnheulu> I've got a problem with one of my macros thats from the utils folder
20100320 22:23:25< Unnheulu> not fun
20100320 22:24:09< MatterNots> Macros are the spice of life.
20100320 22:25:23< Unnheulu> AAH CRUD
20100320 22:25:26< Unnheulu> *aah crud
20100320 22:25:39< Unnheulu> I see teh problem
20100320 22:25:43< Unnheulu> wth did I do that...
20100320 22:26:03< MatterNots> Because you were under the influence.
20100320 22:26:33< Unnheulu> ...
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20100320 22:26:45< Unnheulu> MatterNots: wouldn't spearmen be better than bowmen?
20100320 22:27:06< Unnheulu> cause your mainly with melee units, it makes sense to have a melee guard not a ranged guard
20100320 22:27:15< Gambit> Well I was thinking they'd be too hard to uproot since they're good melee and decent ranged
20100320 22:27:21< Unnheulu> ah kay
20100320 22:27:24< Gambit> vs bowmen who are crappy melee and good ranged
20100320 22:27:28< Gambit> test and see which is harder
20100320 22:27:28< Unnheulu> fair enough
20100320 22:27:38< Unnheulu> I'm fairly certain bowmen would be easier
20100320 22:27:44< Gambit> But since you're comparing the hardest level of your campaign with the "normal" of most campaigns
20100320 22:27:52< Unnheulu> yeh I guess
20100320 22:27:59< Unnheulu> and trivial and easy just with peasants...
20100320 22:28:04< Unnheulu> aargh
20100320 22:28:07< Unnheulu> its confusing me
20100320 22:28:12< Unnheulu> yeh thats right
20100320 22:28:43< Unnheulu> Gambit: btw, the 3 villages closest to you arent defended
20100320 22:28:53< Gambit> yeah
20100320 22:29:04< Unnheulu> I felt that villagers would be too scared to follow the king so close to you
20100320 22:29:08< Gambit> only two of those count anyways though
20100320 22:29:09< Unnheulu> plus one of them you grew up in
20100320 22:29:12< Unnheulu> yeh
20100320 22:29:22< Gambit> Can the merman burn his?
20100320 22:29:26< Unnheulu> no
20100320 22:29:28< Unnheulu> ...
20100320 22:29:30< Gambit> ah okay then
20100320 22:29:37< Unnheulu> all the peasants are leaving the villages
20100320 22:30:15< Unnheulu> Gambit: http://pastebin.org/118974 your code doesnt work :P
20100320 22:30:31< Gambit> [object]
20100320 22:30:34 * Unnheulu waits for the facepalm
20100320 22:30:41< Unnheulu> ah ok
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20100320 22:33:00< Unnheulu> once I've got two scenarios done I'm putting it on the server
20100320 22:35:09< Unnheulu> Gambit: any suggestions for the bottom left?
20100320 22:35:15< Unnheulu> it looks too plain for my liking
20100320 22:35:31< Gambit> A map designer I am not.
20100320 22:35:35< Unnheulu> ok :P
20100320 22:35:48< Gambit> Try krotop maybe.
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20100320 22:36:58< [NaL]> Wesnoth, truly a game fit for the kings
20100320 22:37:54< HanSolo> Gambit: Is tihs one of those one map gigantic camapigns
20100320 22:37:59< HanSolo> *one gigantic map
20100320 22:38:05< Unnheulu> man
20100320 22:38:06< Gambit> It's not mine.
20100320 22:38:11< Unnheulu> peasants can do some serious damage
20100320 22:38:19< Gambit> It's his ^^^
20100320 22:38:34< Gambit> I'm just helping because uh... he asked nicely.
20100320 22:38:37< HanSolo> Oh, whoops
20100320 22:38:45< Gambit> And cookie related promises were made.
20100320 22:38:45< Unnheulu> xD
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20100320 22:42:52< Unnheulu> I am thinking I should disallow merfolk from pillaging villages
20100320 22:42:59< Unnheulu> I just can't see them playing with fire
20100320 22:43:38< HanSolo> FLOOD THE VILLAGES
20100320 22:43:43< Unnheulu> :-D
20100320 22:43:49< Unnheulu> perhaps
20100320 22:43:53< Unnheulu> hehe
20100320 22:44:00< Unnheulu> can rubble go on water?
20100320 22:44:05< HanSolo> I can see a Merman Triton ordering his Fighters to pour buckets of water into every person's home
20100320 22:44:17< HanSolo> I think it can.
20100320 22:44:31< HanSolo> Doesn't look very good, though.
20100320 22:44:50< Unnheulu> bai
20100320 22:44:52< Unnheulu> ok
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20100320 23:01:27< TheJH> hello,
20100320 23:01:45< TheJH> I'm currently trying to build a campaign
20100320 23:02:13< TheJH> how can I let two units go directly to another one?
20100320 23:02:53 * zookeeper doesn't understand the question
20100320 23:02:56< TheJH> I'm trying to do it with move_unit, but how can I get the position of the unit that triggers the event?
20100320 23:04:04< TheJH> this is the part where I get stuck: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/70R52YEE
20100320 23:05:25< fendrin> TheJH: $unit.x and $unit.y
20100320 23:05:31< zookeeper> the position of the unit that triggers an event is always at $x1 and $y1
20100320 23:06:48< TheJH> thank you, now it works!
20100320 23:09:14< HanSolo> If I ever need help with WML I think I'll go here. :p
20100320 23:10:03< fendrin> HanSolo: You should first look in the wiki.
20100320 23:10:38< HanSolo> fenderin: Yeah, my way of looking things up:
20100320 23:10:48< HanSolo> First, look in RefernceWML
20100320 23:11:01< HanSolo> Can't find it, then look for it in a Campaign, Mainline or otherwise
20100320 23:11:20< HanSolo> If I still can't find it, ask here or in WML workshop
20100320 23:11:34< HanSolo> I haven't needed to go past loking in campaigns... yet
20100320 23:13:08< HanSolo> RefrenceWML can be confusing sometimes
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20100320 23:20:18< HanSolo> Guys: Which is applied first: charge or daylight?
20100320 23:20:44< HanSolo> Charge being applied first would mean the total charge damage would be amplified by 25%, I guess.
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20100320 23:20:58< HanSolo> Daylight means every strike gets +25% damage, I think.
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20100320 23:36:31< Gambit> Almost ready for the first demo of my solar system generator
20100320 23:36:55< Gambit> it needs the part where you can get closer to planets, and a galaxy map for revisiting old solar systems
20100320 23:37:39< Gambit> Please restrain your enthusiasm.
20100320 23:38:07< Gambit> Then I have to make the actual game part of the game. :\
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20100320 23:48:38< Soliton> HanSolo: multiplication is commutative.
20100320 23:48:55< HanSolo> Oh, right...
20100320 23:52:36< Blarumyrran> iirc there were some strange things in the modifier stacking
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