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20100322 00:00:04< Gambit> yes. you should also have a shrine in your closet to him :P
20100322 00:00:34< Gambit> He makes a lot of really cool addons.
20100322 00:00:41< Gambit> er past tense I guess.
20100322 00:01:40< Jarkko> Heh, I haven't found it necessary to scuttle my game with addons yet xD.
20100322 00:02:05< Gambit> Sure you do.
20100322 00:02:08< Gambit> UtBS
20100322 00:02:22< Gambit> and other stuff that I can't remember right now
20100322 00:02:29< Gambit> A New Land
20100322 00:03:04< Gambit> LoW
20100322 00:03:12< Gambit> Son of the Black Eye
20100322 00:03:22< Gambit> Northern Rebirth
20100322 00:04:12< Gambit> With wesnoth, good add-ons are not diamonds in the rough like most games. They're diamonds in the pile of rubies.
20100322 00:04:22< Gambit> With a few rocks here and there.
20100322 00:04:43< Jarkko> And let me guess... the rest are just bunches of carbon?
20100322 00:05:06< shadowmaster> s/carbon/crap/   ?
20100322 00:05:06< Gambit> imo rubies outweigh the carbon chunks :P
20100322 00:05:29< shadowmaster> and what rubies? most UMC are crap anyway, with the exception of those that get chosen for mainlining
20100322 00:05:37< Gambit> booo
20100322 00:06:11 * Espreon chuckles
20100322 00:06:51< Gambit> Jarkko: Anything with Bob_the_Mightys name on it is a gold encrusted diamond shat out of Zeus himself!
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20100322 00:08:02< Gambit> Regardless of the quality of the rest of the add-on server's content.
20100322 00:08:11< shadowmaster> no.
20100322 00:08:14< Espreon> Hmmm... Zeus has shitten those? I don't think that I want to play them now...
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20100322 00:08:29< Jarkko> Well, IMHO crap is better, than nothing at all. =/
20100322 00:09:24< Gambit> Not true when speaking literally
20100322 00:09:26< Gambit> nothing doesn't stick
20100322 00:09:29< Gambit> *stink
20100322 00:10:11< HanSolo> Oh my!
20100322 00:10:13< HanSolo> Oh my!
20100322 00:10:14< HanSolo> Oh my!
20100322 00:10:17< HanSolo> ...and he brought a friend.
20100322 00:10:21< HanSolo> Well ,that was random.
20100322 00:10:37< HanSolo> Holy hell, 32-2?
20100322 00:11:08< Jarkko> Well literally speaking, if the addon server would be scuttled with crap in it's most pure essence... then wouldn't the machine itself have some - umm - performance issues?
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20100322 00:11:42< Gambit> shadowmaster: don't you have some unmainlined UMC
20100322 00:12:08< shadowmaster> yes, and what about that?
20100322 00:12:21< shadowmaster> I'm not going to be an idiot and say that my add-ons are awesome when they are crap
20100322 00:13:05< Gambit> Are there any exceptions other than mainline content to your UMC = crap rule?
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20100322 00:13:44< shadowmaster> UtBS, back when it wasn't in mainline
20100322 00:13:49< Gambit> haha
20100322 00:14:05< shadowmaster> right, I'm supposed to laugh
20100322 00:14:14< Gambit> How much new UMC have you played recently?
20100322 00:14:34< shadowmaster> a few
20100322 00:14:50< shadowmaster> all of them are subject to have at least one show-stopper bug
20100322 00:16:35< shadowmaster> yes, yes, I'm a perfectionist.
20100322 00:16:56< Jarkko> And...? It's a noble virtue :)
20100322 00:17:00< Gambit> Is bug free the only condition :P
20100322 00:17:13< Gambit> Jarkko: For the record Bob has one mainlined addon :o
20100322 00:17:26< shadowmaster> Gambit: and that mainlined add-on is running the risk of being dropped in 1.9
20100322 00:17:30< shadowmaster> too buggy
20100322 00:18:06< fendrin> Poor shadowmaster. After Espreon and my humble self have butchered UtBS it can join all the crap on the UMC server.
20100322 00:18:18 * Espreon laughs
20100322 00:18:30< shadowmaster> UtBS was doing fine before it got merged into mainline, IMHO.
20100322 00:18:48< shadowmaster> then everything went horribly wrong, but that's probably the result of two things
20100322 00:19:00< shadowmaster> a) quartex disppeared; b) mainline development goes on
20100322 00:20:34< ancestral> Has there been campaigns that were mainline that were taken out?
20100322 00:21:11< shadowmaster> UtBS.
20100322 00:21:21< Jarkko> Just crossed into my mind - Is there any prime examples existing about what is a perfect campaign?
20100322 00:21:22< Gambit> will someone still maintain it?
20100322 00:21:25< ancestral> That's recently?
20100322 00:21:37< shadowmaster> ancestral: for a few hours, in the middle of the 1.5.x cycle
20100322 00:21:42< Gambit> it was my favorite mainline campaign :(
20100322 00:21:51< ancestral> shadowmaster: intentionally?
20100322 00:22:00< shadowmaster> also, TDH (permanently), NR and SotBE (until Taurus took them over as UMC and completed them)
20100322 00:22:03< shadowmaster> ancestral: yes
20100322 00:22:24< shadowmaster> er, forget NR, just SotBE
20100322 00:22:45< ancestral> And then it was nursed back to health and sent back to the battlefield?
20100322 00:23:43< shadowmaster> there was a huge mix up and lack of communication between the devs in charge*
20100322 00:23:51< shadowmaster> *DISCLAIMER: I was internet-less at that time
20100322 00:24:09< Gambit> devs should exchange phone numbers.
20100322 00:24:17< shadowmaster> no
20100322 00:24:38< Gambit> *+for emergancies
20100322 00:24:47< shadowmaster> yes
20100322 00:25:00< shadowmaster> ...
20100322 00:25:16< shadowmaster> that doesn't have anything to do with the aforementioned issue. It was a bad decision taken over the course of days
20100322 00:31:05< fendrin> What was a bad decision?
20100322 00:31:30< shadowmaster> pulling UtBS back and forth from trunk for a few days
20100322 00:31:34< shadowmaster> hours
20100322 00:33:19< Gambit> Whoa Michael Atkinson resigned.
20100322 00:33:25< Gambit> Maybe australians can play video games now :o
20100322 00:33:46< Espreon> What's a Michael Atkinson?
20100322 00:33:57< Espreon> <insert silly expression here>
20100322 00:33:58< shadowmaster> I think it's something that tastes awful
20100322 00:34:03< Espreon> Indeed...
20100322 00:34:05< shadowmaster> like rotten milk
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20100322 00:34:55< Gambit> Espreon: Australian media dictator.
20100322 00:35:32< Gambit> He wanted bloggers to personally identify themselves xD
20100322 00:35:36< Espreon> Wow...
20100322 00:35:44< shadowmaster> Gambit: the hell?
20100322 00:35:56< Gambit> And he has stopped Australia from getting games rated the equivilant of ESRB's M rating for years.
20100322 00:35:58< shadowmaster> can that be true?
20100322 00:36:09< Gambit> shadowmaster: Yes and the law passed
20100322 00:36:12< Espreon> ... and now they are censoring teh Internets...
20100322 00:36:38< Gambit> But it got such bad outrage that it's not being enforced and he promised to repeal it after an upcoming election.
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20100322 00:37:39 * Espreon is never stepping foot on Australia...
20100322 00:40:05< Gambit> Developers actually edited Left for Dead two for the Australian release (just so that they were allowed to have an Australian release). They had to take out most of the gore and lower the quality of the graphics considerably.
20100322 00:40:30< ancestral> Australia, iirc, has had a pretty maligned high-speed Internet infrastructure… but perhaps it's gotten a lot better as of late
20100322 00:40:31< Gambit> Let's just say all the female models had to get a decrease in polygon count.
20100322 00:41:18< Gambit> er not two
20100322 00:41:31< Gambit> *yes two
20100322 00:41:36< Espreon> Oh wow...
20100322 00:41:37 * Gambit doesn't know anymore. goodbye xD
20100322 00:42:25< ancestral> Yeah Australia doesn't get much attention from U.S. people
20100322 00:42:30< ancestral> Except from Lost
20100322 00:42:32< ancestral> Hehe
20100322 00:42:47< ancestral> Though I don't know if they filmed any scenes in Australia.
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20100322 00:42:57< HerrStrauss> Australia has a hard time
20100322 00:43:09< ancestral> (The island shots were shot in Hawaii naturally)
20100322 00:43:27< Gambit> Australia's had it pretty easy if American history books are to be believed.
20100322 00:43:30< HerrStrauss> I know one guy who has given up gaming competively down there because of the filters installed on his internet messed up his ping massively
20100322 00:43:34< Gambit> Which is to say they're not in our history books :\
20100322 00:43:52< HerrStrauss> Not much is in the American text books
20100322 00:44:52< Gambit> Australia has Zero Punctuation.
20100322 00:45:25< HerrStrauss> Who rates a lot of games which are probably illegal over there
20100322 00:45:31< Gambit> which is the only notable thing I can think about the country media wise. 
20100322 00:45:51< Gambit> Rofl HerrStrauss he gets them on the black market
20100322 00:46:49< HerrStrauss> I find the whole censoring the internet thing to be quite amusing
20100322 00:47:12< HerrStrauss> Here in the UK, the measures proposed can be simply ignored by encrypting your P2P traffic
20100322 00:47:24< HerrStrauss> Which has been a feature of P2P programs since forever
20100322 00:47:29< Jarkko> HerrStrauss: IMHO it's like shooting a tank with a slingshot.
20100322 00:48:04< HerrStrauss> So the only result is that the government can legally monitor your traffic... woo...
20100322 00:48:09< shadowmaster> I'd not be surprised to hear of politicians proposing some change to the "Internet" without knowing much about computers at all
20100322 00:48:25< Gambit> shadowmaster: It's a series of tubes!
20100322 00:48:33< Gambit> Invented by Al Gore
20100322 00:48:37 * shadowmaster slaps Gambit with a tube
20100322 00:48:46< Gambit> Where you use the google and record people with your youtubes.
20100322 00:48:50 * HerrStrauss starts to conspire about police state societies.
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20100322 00:50:13< HerrStrauss> A few days ago, there was a computer game debate on one of the small chat shows, involving a particular opinionated lady who was complaining about small children being exposed to sexism, violence and racism by computer games, and how parents were worried about it
20100322 00:50:37< HerrStrauss> Obviously they were not worried enough to make sure they bought computer games which their kids are legally allowed
20100322 00:50:44< HerrStrauss> People just baffle me
20100322 00:50:48 * HerrStrauss turns off rant mode.
20100322 00:51:12< Gambit> Yes the parents who let their 8 year olds play Grand Theft Auto
20100322 00:51:28< shadowmaster> er?
20100322 00:52:10< Gambit> What "er?"?
20100322 00:52:17< Espreon> "Uh"
20100322 00:52:26< Espreon> You just need to say it in a non-rhotic manner...
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20100322 00:56:47< Jarkko> If I remember right some random study by random university actually showed, that violent computer games doesn't necessarily have an effect to their childs behaviour at all... *shrug*
20100322 00:57:02< noy> Jarkko: It really depends
20100322 00:57:05< shadowmaster> yes, I have read that too
20100322 00:57:31< HerrStrauss> Depends who are paying the scientists running the study
20100322 00:57:59< shadowmaster> it also depends on the environment, the parents, their friends, the fat politicians, etc.
20100322 00:58:11< noy> there are social factors involved
20100322 00:58:15< HerrStrauss> Generally nutjobs who shoot their friends will shoot their friends regardless of whether they get their kicks from gaming, movies or a manual for being a nutjob who shoots their friends
20100322 00:58:20< Gambit> video games effect reading grades but not any other subject
20100322 00:58:20< shadowmaster> s/the fat politicians,//
20100322 00:58:32< Gambit> *affect?
20100322 00:58:36< HerrStrauss> Reading grades?
20100322 00:58:44< HerrStrauss> affect and effect are relatively interchangeable
20100322 00:59:03< Gambit> Yes grades in the class based on reading things and comprehending them.
20100322 00:59:26< HerrStrauss> I know I learnt how to spell by playing MUDs
20100322 00:59:29< Gambit> The logic in the study/report as to why this was was that nobody sits down to do math or science for fun, so they're not getting bumped for video games.
20100322 00:59:47< Gambit> But reading a book? Yes if you didn't have video games you'd do quite a bit more of that.
20100322 01:00:34< HerrStrauss> I suppose I should not use myself as the sample student
20100322 01:00:43< HerrStrauss> As a pool size of 1 makes crummy statistics
20100322 01:00:45< Gambit> I wonder how the kids in the studies felt, and if they even knew the reason their parents wouldn't let them play video games is because they were being paid to take part in a study.
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20100322 01:02:09< Jarkko> That really depends on age...
20100322 01:02:21< HanSolo> Are.... are those magi recruiting scorpions what
20100322 01:02:24< shadowmaster> rrr
20100322 01:02:28< shadowmaster> gaa, stupid
20100322 01:02:37 * shadowmaster kicks the socket
20100322 01:04:31< Gambit> I suppose that's better than stabbing it
20100322 01:04:46< Gambit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be2moFMbHXs
20100322 01:05:11< Gambit> shadowmaster: that ones for you :)
20100322 01:05:21< shadowmaster> I don't follow YouTube links without descriptions
20100322 01:05:32< Gambit> It's related to stabbing electrical sockets.
20100322 01:05:32< shadowmaster> and I don't have much bandwidth for video content
20100322 01:05:41< shadowmaster> I was thinking of a TCP socket, mind you
20100322 01:05:54< Gambit> darn.
20100322 01:10:59< Gambit> There's not much bad that could come of following random youtube links. It only takes 10 seconds to discern that it's not a rap song, carmel dansen, or a rick roll.
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20100322 01:11:17< shadowmaster> BANDWIDTH
20100322 01:11:28< shadowmaster> I don't live in America
20100322 01:11:41< Gambit> So? America has terrible internet.
20100322 01:12:24< Gambit> Oh wait, by bandwidth do you mean you have a limit?
20100322 01:12:33< Gambit> Like a usage limit?
20100322 01:12:40< shadowmaster> no, there's no fixed limit.
20100322 01:13:04< shadowmaster> except for the connection's stability with downloads above 1 MB
20100322 01:14:12< Gambit> The real harm comes in friends sending you prank links that redirect to bringvictory dot com.
20100322 01:14:31< Gambit> Don't go there anyone.
20100322 01:14:51< Gambit> It's makes a small window that moves around the screen so you can't close it out.
20100322 01:18:35< Gambit> I dunno how it works on other OS's/browsers but trying to end the process just tells IE to re-open it -_-
20100322 01:19:08< Gambit> You've got to end it three times before IE gets the picture that *you* made it crash on purpose.
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20100322 01:31:12< HanSolo> I like the dialog between LAdy Outlaw and Haldric.
20100322 01:31:19< HanSolo> I swear I'm not writing fanfiction.
20100322 01:31:52< Jarkko> HanSolo: Woah... You made it sound so bad.
20100322 01:32:01< HanSolo> :D
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20100322 01:53:42< ancestral> Can anyone do me a huge favor?
20100322 01:53:56< ancestral> Tell me if your browser passes this test: http://www.quirksmode.org/css/multiple_backgrounds.html
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20100322 02:05:27< Gambit> ancestral: IE8 fail.
20100322 02:05:36< Espreon> LOL.
20100322 02:05:43< ancestral> Not surprising
20100322 02:05:44< Gambit> IE8 in compatability mode fail.
20100322 02:05:59< Gambit> Firefox fail.
20100322 02:06:04< ancestral> 3.6 works
20100322 02:06:24< Gambit> Odd. I'm up to date.
20100322 02:06:35< ancestral> Hmm
20100322 02:06:53< Gambit> I'm not seeing either image in any of my browsers.
20100322 02:07:00< ancestral> Either image?
20100322 02:07:07< ancestral> You should at least see the bottom one
20100322 02:07:09< Gambit> Nope.
20100322 02:07:15< Gambit> The div is not selectable either. :\
20100322 02:07:17< ancestral> Then images are not loading
20100322 02:07:21< ancestral> The div shouldn't be
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20100322 02:07:25< ancestral> That one is a background image
20100322 02:07:27< Espreon> Maybe it is more like: "Windows, fail."
20100322 02:07:34< Gambit> * not selectable i nfirefox
20100322 02:07:37< Gambit> I can select it in IE.
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20100322 02:08:17< Gambit> Espreon: Wouldn't you just die if I got the same results on my other partition.
20100322 02:08:26< Espreon> No.
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20100322 02:08:45< ancestral> IE8 does show the bottom image
20100322 02:08:48< ancestral> For me
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20100322 02:09:33< ancestral> I should probably avoid using multiple background image calls in the same div then
20100322 02:09:36 * ancestral sighs
20100322 02:09:50< Gambit> I wonder why I can't select the div in firefox or IE8, only in IE8 compatability mode.
20100322 02:10:00< ancestral> Select the div?
20100322 02:10:15< ancestral> Divs aren't meant to be "selected"
20100322 02:10:17< Gambit> yeah, as in it turns blue when I hit select all
20100322 02:10:17< ancestral> necessarily
20100322 02:10:20< ancestral> Hmm
20100322 02:10:33< ancestral> Maybe if there's no text in it it has different behavior
20100322 02:11:01< Gambit> linux firefox: empty white div
20100322 02:11:03< Gambit> no images.
20100322 02:11:10< Gambit> not selectable
20100322 02:11:23< ancestral> You should be getting the image in the gray/brown box
20100322 02:11:31< ancestral>  s/box/border
20100322 02:11:38< ancestral> If you're not then you aren't loading images
20100322 02:11:39< Gambit> er yes I get that one :P
20100322 02:11:45< ancestral> That's what I mean
20100322 02:11:45< ancestral> Okay
20100322 02:11:53< ancestral> So in the top one you're only getting partial
20100322 02:12:18< ancestral> Hmm
20100322 02:12:22< Gambit> I'm not getting anything in the top :s
20100322 02:12:30< Gambit> The bottom one is just an image.
20100322 02:12:33< ancestral> That's normal for failing
20100322 02:12:36< ancestral> :)
20100322 02:12:53< ancestral> FWIW it's an unsupported implementation not in the CSS specs
20100322 02:12:56< ancestral> AFAIK
20100322 02:13:41< Gambit> p.s. It fails in Gbrowse too
20100322 02:13:54< Gambit> But gbrowse leeches off of IE :P
20100322 02:14:12< ancestral> Question is then
20100322 02:14:41< Gambit> oh I probably shouldn't name by browser that... apparently the name is taken.
20100322 02:14:50< ancestral> Do I had in needless divs or, given that I know the width put one image with the left and right borders on it
20100322 02:14:59< ancestral>  s/had/add
20100322 02:15:05< Gambit> Why do you need a div?
20100322 02:15:09< Gambit> Wouldn't a table work?
20100322 02:15:11< ancestral> Maybe a span would work
20100322 02:15:13< ancestral> Tables?
20100322 02:15:15< ancestral> Iccch
20100322 02:15:19< Gambit> with no padding, spacing, or borders
20100322 02:15:19< ancestral> So mid '90s
20100322 02:15:25< ancestral> :-o
20100322 02:15:35< ancestral> Tables are evil in web layout
20100322 02:15:36< Gambit> Err Frames were mid 90's early 2000s
20100322 02:15:41< Gambit> tables are the now :\
20100322 02:16:05< Gambit> CSS + divs are the future
20100322 02:16:17< ancestral> I'd argue CSS + divs are finally the now
20100322 02:16:25< ancestral> There are still plenty of sites using tables
20100322 02:16:26< ancestral> But
20100322 02:16:28< Gambit> I wouldn't since most websites still uses tables
20100322 02:16:55< ancestral> I don't know about that
20100322 02:17:01< Gambit> When forums start using CSS+divs then it will be the now ;)
20100322 02:17:26< ancestral> Forums are another beast altogether
20100322 02:17:35< ancestral> I'm not even considering forums
20100322 02:17:36< Gambit> No
20100322 02:17:47< Gambit> Forums pull information from a database and display it organizedly
20100322 02:18:06< ancestral> Well tables are accepted where its tabular data
20100322 02:18:06< ancestral> But
20100322 02:18:08< Gambit> Which most website should do these days. Websites are *not* static anymore.
20100322 02:18:23< ancestral> Forums could effectively display with divs and css control like blogs do
20100322 02:18:56< Gambit> But they dob't because it's a pain
20100322 02:19:21< ancestral> I think they don't because they're lazy
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20100322 02:20:29< Gambit> Okay. There isn't a coffee shop on top of mount everestt because people are lazy.
20100322 02:21:10< Jarkko> Maybe that's more because of poor rate of potential customers on that specific area <_<;
20100322 02:21:24< Gambit> And the poor rate of potential customers is because ...?
20100322 02:21:29< Gambit> they're lazy :P
20100322 02:21:47< Jarkko> Too lazy to live on Mt. Everest?
20100322 02:23:17< Jarkko> Or then just too lazy to do proper marketing... But I guess, that if one set up a shop on Everest and had a major advertising campaign, I guess the owners could just get one regular customer - the Yeti.
20100322 02:23:20< Gambit> My torturedly obscure point is that there is a difference between lazyness and being perfectly well within your rights to not want to do an insane amount of work with one tool when there is a perfectly fine tool available that cuts the work load in half
20100322 02:23:22< Gambit> and then half again
20100322 02:23:25< Gambit> and then a few more times
20100322 02:24:17< Gambit> And they're the same price
20100322 02:24:22< Gambit> and the good tool is the standard
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20100322 02:29:31< Jarkko> Well, IMHO the main reason for forums using tables in formatting is the old excuse of "That's how it has been always done."
20100322 02:31:08< Gambit> or maybe because you can output one <td> for each cell. 
20100322 02:32:21< shadowmaster> prosilver doesn't use tables that much
20100322 02:33:13< Jarkko> Who knows what the reasons are... It's like a plague: It incubates, spreads, dominates and does it's stuff until it's overcome by a more powerful plague.
20100322 02:33:24< ancestral> I think the main reason is the people making the software don't care
20100322 02:41:42< Gambit> night 'noth
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20100322 03:02:33< [Relic]> Hello :)
20100322 03:07:26< ancestral> Hey
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20100322 03:09:51< shadowmaster> /3/34
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20100322 03:34:06< ancestral> That's it
20100322 03:34:10< ancestral> Screw the older browsers
20100322 03:34:15< ancestral> You won't see the fancy borders
20100322 03:35:25< Espreon> Good plan.™
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20100322 03:37:00< shadowmaster> hm.
20100322 03:41:14< Zarel> ?
20100322 03:42:31< shadowmaster> Zarel:  :shadowmaster!~ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster PRIVMSG #wesnoth :hm.
20100322 03:42:34< shadowmaster> any doubts?
20100322 03:42:55< Zarel> ...I what?
20100322 03:43:06< shadowmaster> And it was around 2:36 UTC
20100322 03:43:59< Zarel> ...what are you trying to say here?
20100322 03:45:19< shadowmaster> you asked "?" and I replied with exactly what I said.
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20100322 03:45:25< shadowmaster> including prefix path and everything
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20100322 03:45:55< shadowmaster> it's not my fault that I make a simple sound (sorta) and you immediately assume I meant to say something at all and ask ...an empty question
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20100322 03:46:30< Zarel> You made a terse sound, I replied with a terse request for elaboration...
20100322 03:46:57< Zarel> Generally, when people say "hm", they have something more to say, and my reply was intended to ask for that...
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20100322 03:47:41< shadowmaster> there's much more going on than it seems
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20100322 03:48:24< Zarel> ...I don't understand you.
20100322 03:48:51< shadowmaster> don't worry, it happens ;)
20100322 03:49:27< shadowmaster> (which means that I've been intentionally messing the flow of the conversation)
20100322 03:51:18< Zarel> Bored, then? ;)
20100322 03:51:40< fendrin> shadowmaster: Did you have a look at the quenoth sandbox?
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20100322 04:01:37< HanSolo> silver magi
20100322 04:01:43< HanSolo> Whoops.
20100322 04:01:49< HanSolo> Silver Magi are fun.
20100322 04:01:56< HanSolo> Heh heh.
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20100322 04:20:35< ancestral> Does anyone have the latest Wesnoth for a generic 32-bit Ubuntu install?
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20100322 04:28:04< ancestral> Alright
20100322 04:28:09< ancestral> Small changes made
20100322 04:28:16< ancestral> http://mproud.com/wesnoth/bestiary/dwarvish_fighter.html
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20100322 05:39:45< Blueblaze> ancestral: ?
20100322 05:39:59< ancestral> Heh
20100322 05:40:02< ancestral> Clicked wrong buttopn
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20100322 10:38:26< Ivanovic> moin
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20100322 16:08:53< Gambit> :s I was just doing some reading about what "cached" memory is on the windows task manager...
20100322 16:09:07< Gambit> And now I'm wondering why the OS has set aside 6gb of my ram for nothingness.
20100322 16:09:36< Gambit> Can any more computer savvy people help me out here?
20100322 16:11:22< sevis> Which OS?
20100322 16:12:27< Gambit> Vista
20100322 16:13:40< sevis> Well, 6GB is probably overkill, but having more things in you RAM is generally handy. It's probably prefetched everything it thought you might want.
20100322 16:15:13< Gambit> it's still climbing though :\
20100322 16:15:29< Gambit> Would an active virus scan have anything to do with that?
20100322 16:15:33< Gambit> Normally it's around 4gb
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20100322 16:16:33< sevis> Errr, not sure.
20100322 16:17:00< sevis> If I was to write a virus scan, it would not have that effect.
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20100322 16:17:15< sevis> But it could be used for some reason I can't see.
20100322 16:18:28< Gambit> The more things I close to free up memory, the larger the cache gets. :\
20100322 16:18:35< Gambit> But it won't go in reverse xD
20100322 16:18:56< sevis> Those are probably irrelevant. What happens to it if you do nothing?
20100322 16:19:11< Gambit> It seems to be taking as much memory as it can get
20100322 16:19:24< Gambit> so presumably if I had nothing open it would be using all it could
20100322 16:19:37< Gambit> It's keeping my "free" memory at/around 0
20100322 16:19:47< sevis> I could imagine this being malware trying to overload the system to stop the scan... But that sounds rather far-fetched.
20100322 16:20:09< Gambit> Hmm I limited the scan to one core because it's process was taking up 90% of the processor.
20100322 16:20:18< Gambit> I'll have to look at the malware angle. I didn't think of that.
20100322 16:21:10< sevis> On the other hand, cache is usually a lot. I have 150 MiB free, of 1 GiB.
20100322 16:21:28< Gambit> I have 0 of 8 D:
20100322 16:21:36< Samwise> >.<
20100322 16:21:47< Gambit> I'l try closing everything out (except pidgin)
20100322 16:21:51< sevis> With 550 of the stuff used being cache.
20100322 16:22:04< sevis> I'd suggest a boot-time scan, if it's supported.
20100322 16:22:08< Gambit> It went from 0 to 70, but now the cache is taking it.
20100322 16:22:11< Gambit> Down to 20.
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20100322 16:22:45< Gambit> Scan finished. Time to see if things settle down.
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20100322 16:23:10< Gambit> Heh the cache stopped moving.
20100322 16:23:32< Gambit> My CPU is back to 1% and my cached memory is frozen at 6418mb
20100322 16:24:43< sevis> Try opening enough to force it to uncache?
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20100322 16:28:15< Gambit> Looks like that's working. My memory usage isn't going up much, but the cache is coming down.
20100322 16:28:33< Gambit> I've got several games, maya, dreamweaver, a few tabs in IE, and some other stuff open
20100322 16:28:53< Gambit> This computer is acting really weird lately.
20100322 16:29:12< sevis> Well, if the cache is shrinking as-needed, it looks normal.
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20100322 16:29:46< Gambit> I just don't get why it wouldn't leave some free though.
20100322 16:30:03< Gambit> It wants to keep whatever I'm not using in the cache.
20100322 16:30:18< sevis> I have a bit of a love for putting things in RAM, so I wouldn't mind 95% RAM usage if I had 6 GiB
20100322 16:31:30< Gambit> I'd rather have more of it free so it responds quicker when I need.
20100322 16:32:06< Gambit> It took entirely too long to load all those programs. The processor was barely sweating.
20100322 16:32:29< Gambit> Maybe I'll be able to find a setting for this later.
20100322 16:32:35< sevis> Disk access is the main bottleneck these days, as far as I understand.
20100322 16:32:50< Gambit> Thanks though sevis for explaining stuff to me.
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20100322 16:33:18< King_Elendil> hi
20100322 16:33:23< sevis> So having everything you want in RAM will make stuff load faster in most cases - emptying RAM isn't too expensive a process.
20100322 16:33:31< Jarkko> King_Elendil: Hello there.
20100322 16:33:39< Gambit> King_Elendil: from the forums?
20100322 16:33:41< King_Elendil> is this the wesnoth IRC?
20100322 16:33:44< Gambit> Yes.
20100322 16:33:54< King_Elendil> yeah this is me lol
20100322 16:34:06< sevis> Hullo
20100322 16:35:15< King_Elendil> well so this does work! I just came here to check it out. what are y'all talking about?
20100322 16:35:46< sevis> Whether cacheing as much as possible is a good thing for an OS to do.
20100322 16:36:02-!- timotei is now known as timotei21
20100322 16:36:36< King_Elendil> Gambit, why is your name red?
20100322 16:36:51< Gambit> Because I'm a dev on IRC.
20100322 16:36:55< Gambit> lol jk. I don't know.
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20100322 16:37:22< Gambit> Why is yours green?
20100322 16:37:26< King_Elendil> oh. do you join this somewhere
20100322 16:37:39< King_Elendil> I didnt know mine was green lol
20100322 16:37:42< Jarkko> Might mean, that Gambit's currently writing something.
20100322 16:37:53< Gambit> Name colors depend on client ;)
20100322 16:38:10< Gambit> You're using the web chat interface so I think my name is red because I talked at you.
20100322 16:38:31< King_Elendil> hmm. ok.
20100322 16:38:48< Gambit> Some IM clients can do IRC.
20100322 16:38:52< Gambit> Like pidgin.
20100322 16:39:04< Unnheulu> Gambit: my campaigns on the server ;)
20100322 16:39:30< Gambit> Yay now it will work just by downloading it.
20100322 16:39:41< Gambit> Was I right about the folder?
20100322 16:39:46< Unnheulu> yeh
20100322 16:40:07< Gambit> Psychic 8)
20100322 16:40:17< King_Elendil> Gambit, can you believe that "such a shame" is now 7 pages long?
20100322 16:40:29< Gambit> King_Elendil: Yes.
20100322 16:40:53< King_Elendil> I don't even look at it anymore.
20100322 16:41:40< Unnheulu> Gambit: I should add your name to the credits for the campaign :P
20100322 16:42:04< Gambit> If you want. I didn't really do much.
20100322 16:42:30 * Unnheulu now awaits gambits critic xD
20100322 16:42:34< Gambit> If you credit everyone you ask a question of, the list will be huge :P
20100322 16:42:39< Unnheulu> :-D
20100322 16:42:55< Gambit> Errr /me has economics and latin to do before he does any criticing
20100322 16:43:16< Gambit> I had to find out what was wrong with Fran first.
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20100322 16:43:42< Gambit> She's back to normal now that the virus scan is done so back to school for me :'(
20100322 16:43:46< Unnheulu> :P
20100322 16:43:48< Unnheulu> latin?
20100322 16:44:08-!- zenhoobbit [~hevien@87.13.82.125] has joined #wesnoth
20100322 16:44:15< Gambit> Well I tried chinese last year, and I am convinced the teacher did not know english.
20100322 16:44:27< Gambit> I figured with latin I was guarenteed not to have a native speaker as a teacher ;)
20100322 16:44:41< King_Elendil> zenhoobbit: hi
20100322 16:44:57< Unnheulu> :-D
20100322 16:45:02< Gambit> The chinese teacher, when she even remembered to hold lessons, would break into random chinese while giving her speil and we'd have to remind her to speak english
20100322 16:45:11< Gambit> and her english was broken at best
20100322 16:45:19< Unnheulu> :-D
20100322 16:45:24< King_Elendil> lol
20100322 16:46:05< King_Elendil> is this the only wesnoth channel?
20100322 16:46:10< Gambit> No.
20100322 16:46:20< Jarkko> Hmm... If there are any masters of lore around, does anyone have idea, whether or not death has been personified in Wesnoth before?
20100322 16:46:28< Unnheulu> :-D
20100322 16:46:32< Gambit> There is one for developers, one for UMC developers, one for thunderstone, and uh...
20100322 16:46:35< Gambit> google it
20100322 16:46:45< Gambit> Jarkko: Not in mainline I think.
20100322 16:46:48< King_Elendil> oh ok
20100322 16:47:15< Blarumyrran> a developer death, umc developer death, and thunderstone death
20100322 16:47:35< Gambit> Death_Is_Undead
20100322 16:48:11< Blarumyrran> The guy who made the funny comments on the tourneys was nicknamed Death; I liked those
20100322 16:48:28< Blarumyrran> "owing to his Gregorious nature"
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20100322 16:49:11< Jarkko> So... apparently not.
20100322 16:49:17< Jarkko> ... Excellent >=)
20100322 16:49:25< Gambit> Jarkko: No grim reapers.
20100322 16:49:27< Gambit> Yet :P
20100322 16:50:18< Blarumyrran> One of the ghost upgrades had a scythe and dark cloth though
20100322 16:50:24< King_Elendil> hi samwise the brave lol
20100322 16:50:45< Blarumyrran> But he looked more like some anime character than a reaper.
20100322 16:50:45< Jarkko> Blarumyrran: I know that - and that unit serves my purposes just greatly.
20100322 16:53:32< Gambit> Zerovirus was making this really creepy orange reaper dude
20100322 16:54:25< King_Elendil> wow gambit, you seem to stay pretty busy helping people make UMC's. I just read another thread where someone was saying that they ought to put your name in the credits because of your help.
20100322 16:54:45< Gambit> Unnheulu == xer :)
20100322 16:54:59< Unnheulu> xD
20100322 16:55:06< King_Elendil> Imo, Zero has some real talent.
20100322 16:55:30< Gambit> Unnheulu: Don't put my name in the pbl file. That's for people that did *real* work.
20100322 16:56:18< Gambit> As you learn more and more WML, the number of people who you've asked questions, and gotten answers from will get huge
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20100322 16:57:45< Gambit> Besides I don't see you thanking the wiki :P
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20100322 16:59:01< Gambit> omg :o
20100322 16:59:07< Gambit> artisticdude_: Welcome!
20100322 16:59:32< Jarkko> artisticdude_: Hi there, dude! :D
20100322 16:59:35< Gambit> a lot of artists are finding IRC today :)
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20100322 17:01:12< Gambit> Er.
20100322 17:01:47< King_Elendil> that was... awkward
20100322 17:01:51< Blarumyrran> You scared him off.
20100322 17:01:59< Blarumyrran> Than you very much, Gambit. 
20100322 17:02:03< Blarumyrran> +k*
20100322 17:02:15< Jarkko> Or maybe it was the IRC... =/
20100322 17:04:00< King_Elendil> who scared him?
20100322 17:04:19< Gambit> I blame shikadibot.
20100322 17:05:45< King_Elendil> Gambit, do you live in USA?
20100322 17:05:53< Gambit> Yessir
20100322 17:06:11< King_Elendil> Me too, and I'm so glad
20100322 17:06:37< Gambit> Yeah; we could live in Australia :o
20100322 17:07:13< King_Elendil> or Chile lol just kidding (aimed at shadowmaster)
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20100322 17:08:11< Gambit> That wasn't a very tasteful joke. :\
20100322 17:08:20< shadowmaster> indeed.
20100322 17:08:20< Gambit> And saying his name summons him. 
20100322 17:08:23 * Gambit hides
20100322 17:08:46< King_Elendil> sorry, i didn't mean to insult him/you
20100322 17:08:48-!- thespaceinvader [~chatzilla@wesnoth/artist/thespaceinvader] has joined #wesnoth
20100322 17:09:14< Gambit> It's not really an insult, it's just disrespectful.
20100322 17:09:18 * King_Elendil regrets it
20100322 17:09:22< Gambit> People died. And shadowmaster was almost one of them.
20100322 17:10:03< King_Elendil> I didn't mean the earthquake, but I guess it was easily taken that way
20100322 17:10:21< shadowmaster> yeah, we are still recovering from that
20100322 17:10:28< shadowmaster> and they extended DST, those bastards.
20100322 17:10:50< King_Elendil> crap, mister foot-in-the-mouth strikes again (me) :(
20100322 17:11:17< King_Elendil> I was very glad to find that you were ok
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20100322 17:15:27 * King_Elendil prepares to leave and check out the forums
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20100322 17:18:13< Gambit> Blarumyrran: I didn't scare him off :P He couldn't figure out how to respond.
20100322 17:19:03< Blarumyrran> "I didn't murder him! He just stopped knowing how to breathe!"
20100322 17:20:02< Gambit> Er he couldn't figure out how to work the IRC web chat to respond
20100322 17:20:03< Jarkko> That's a laugh.
20100322 17:20:15< Gambit> Not he couldn't figure out how to reply to me :P
20100322 17:20:40< Jarkko> So, he couldn't figure out how to type and press enter?
20100322 17:20:49< Gambit> where to type
20100322 17:21:02< Gambit> Hey some people don't do chat rooms
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20100322 17:21:45< King_Elendil> Hi again
20100322 17:22:01< Jarkko> I know that... :(
20100322 17:22:14< Jarkko> Hello
20100322 17:22:58< Gambit> King_Elendil: ello
20100322 17:23:10< Gambit> Addicting isn't it? This IRC thing :P
20100322 17:23:46< King_Elendil> yeah, and nothing is really happening on the forums, so I decided to come back lol
20100322 17:24:16< Jarkko> IRC is like a cup of coffee... you just need more.
20100322 17:24:47< King_Elendil> is SM always going to remember what I said?
20100322 17:25:27< Gambit> No, tasteless jokes are removed every time he runs disc cleanup :P
20100322 17:25:29 * King_Elendil is hopeful
20100322 17:25:47 * King_Elendil is glad
20100322 17:26:00< King_Elendil> oh good lol
20100322 17:26:35< Gambit> It's not the first joke about his death actually.
20100322 17:26:46< King_Elendil> actually gtg really this time so bye all ;)
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20100322 17:28:39< Gambit> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=384071#p384071
20100322 17:28:46< Gambit> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=384846#p384846
20100322 17:31:47< Blarumyrran> That was before the earthquake, I plead not guilty
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20100322 17:39:59< Gambit> artisticdude: Hai!
20100322 17:40:11< SekoIdiootti> ooh artisticdude
20100322 17:40:13< artisticdude> Finally found this textbox. It wouldn't show when my browser was in windowed mode.
20100322 17:40:20< Samwise> xD Fail
20100322 17:40:41< Gambit> WOW
20100322 17:40:44< Gambit> I have a forum title?
20100322 17:40:46< Gambit> lol
20100322 17:40:57< artisticdude> No, honestly. :S It's weird, I couldn't see it at all.
20100322 17:41:00< Gambit> I love it xD
20100322 17:41:15< Gambit> artisticdude: Thanks for pointing it out :P I wonder how long it's been there.
20100322 17:41:30< artisticdude> Why do I get the feeling you don't believe me?  :P
20100322 17:41:41< Gambit> I just looked.
20100322 17:42:04< artisticdude> Perhaps it's my brower.
20100322 17:42:18< artisticdude> EDIT: browser.
20100322 17:42:20< artisticdude> EDIT: browser.
20100322 17:42:46< Samwise> EDIT: browser.
20100322 17:42:54-!- Samwise is now known as Samwise|afk
20100322 17:42:57< Gambit> EDIT: Bowser
20100322 17:43:04< SekoIdiootti> Woah Gambit :O
20100322 17:43:28< Gambit> SekoIdiootti: ?
20100322 17:43:31< SekoIdiootti> well
20100322 17:43:34< SekoIdiootti> your "title"
20100322 17:43:35< SekoIdiootti> lol
20100322 17:43:57< Gambit> I earned it fair and square ;)
20100322 17:44:12< artisticdude> I've never seen that title before. Not only do you get a title, you get a unique one, too. Lucky. :P
20100322 17:44:16< Gambit> Now but now I'll have to work really hard this summer on getting that WML Pioneer title.
20100322 17:45:17< Gambit> Though I think it sends the wrong message. If you go off topic enough you get recognized for it?
20100322 17:45:36< SekoIdiootti> lol
20100322 17:45:38< Gambit> Or maybe it's more a crazyness thing than off-topicness.
20100322 17:45:59< artisticdude> Apparently. You ought to ask what it means.
20100322 17:46:21< Jarkko> artisticdude: Oh, hi there. Nice to see you joining us :D
20100322 17:47:09< artisticdude> thanks, finally found my textbox. It wouldn't show up in windowed mode in my browser, and they don't believe me. :cry:
20100322 17:47:11< Unnheulu> hi
20100322 17:47:17< Unnheulu> artisticdude: SekoIdiootti is woodmouse ;)
20100322 17:47:24< Unnheulu> artisticdude: btw thanks for your wml help
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20100322 17:47:35< artisticdude> no prob.
20100322 17:47:56< artisticdude> woodmouse is...  oh. okay. : )
20100322 17:48:08< Gambit> and Unnheulu == xer
20100322 17:48:21< Gambit> and Surivorez = Zerovirus
20100322 17:48:23< Unnheulu> yeh
20100322 17:48:26< Unnheulu> is he?
20100322 17:48:32< Gambit> Sometimes.
20100322 17:48:43< SekoIdiootti> :O
20100322 17:48:49< Samwise|afk> And me = Samwise!
20100322 17:48:54< Samwise|afk> You didn't know that
20100322 17:48:57< SekoIdiootti> lol
20100322 17:49:02-!- SekoIdiootti is now known as SekoIdiootti_eat
20100322 17:49:04< artisticdude> Woah, now I've gotta learn new names for each of you guys. 
20100322 17:49:28< Gambit> Blarumyrran == SynErr
20100322 17:49:44< Jarkko> Surivorez... Hmm... one of the rare words, that sounds cool when read backwards...
20100322 17:49:53< artisticdude> let me make a list... :P
20100322 17:50:21< Gambit> I bet you can't guess which one of us is Shadow Master :P
20100322 17:50:40< Gambit> Does the space trip the highlighting?
20100322 17:50:45< Gambit> Apparently no.
20100322 17:51:04< artisticdude> No idea. ;)
20100322 17:51:46< Samwise|afk> I think its shadowmaster 
20100322 17:51:55< artisticdude> you think so?
20100322 17:52:03 * Gambit hides
20100322 17:52:07< Samwise|afk> maybe.. 
20100322 17:52:16< Samwise|afk> wheres gambit?
20100322 17:52:26 * Jarkko pulls Gambit out of hiding.
20100322 17:52:27< Samwise|afk> vanished...
20100322 17:52:51< Gambit> Phew I don't think he heard you Samwise.
20100322 17:53:50< Gambit> In an attempt to get some form of actual conversation started: What is everyone up to right now besides wasting time on IRC?
20100322 17:54:33< artisticdude> Figuring out final cut express, my pro-grade movie making software[/geek]
20100322 17:55:18< Jarkko> Writing the next chapters of The White Lich.
20100322 17:55:24< sevis> Reading the Gentoo forums. Trying to figure out my opinion on the health care thing.
20100322 17:55:58< artisticdude> Jarkko: Oh, good! :)
20100322 17:56:14< Gambit> What's the white lich?
20100322 17:56:38< artisticdude> fan-fic by Jarkko. Look in the Writer's forum
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20100322 17:57:07< Unnheulu> making a map
20100322 17:57:31< Unnheulu> can anyone tell me what this health bill is about?
20100322 17:57:35< Unnheulu> (I'm british :-P)
20100322 17:57:42< Unnheulu> is it like the NHS?
20100322 17:58:28< artisticdude> who knows? it's rediculously complicated, I think no one truly understands all of it.
20100322 17:58:33< Unnheulu> :-D
20100322 17:58:42< Unnheulu> is it like a tax, that lets you get free medicine when your ill?
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20100322 17:59:09< Gambit> Some things I like about it: No life time caps
20100322 17:59:18< artisticdude> way too many pages, too. If you had a copy of it, you wouldn't need toilet tissue for the rest of the year
20100322 17:59:24< Gambit> no excluding people just because tehy have preexisting conditions
20100322 17:59:53< Gambit> I think there is a section about letting health insurance companies operate out of state.
20100322 18:00:20< Unnheulu> so its about insurance?
20100322 18:00:30< artisticdude> What do you bet the president hasn't even read the whole thing :P
20100322 18:01:03< Unnheulu> whats this whole anti obama thing?
20100322 18:01:05< Gambit> artisticdude: Didn't you see his interview on FOX?
20100322 18:01:06< Unnheulu> you guys voted him in
20100322 18:01:10< Gambit> He didn't know jack about it
20100322 18:01:12 * Gambit rolls eyes
20100322 18:01:17< sevis> It doesn't sound too bad, but the amount of seemingly intelligent people not approving it is making me wary.
20100322 18:01:25< artisticdude> not me, I'm an independent.
20100322 18:01:36< artisticdude> and I can't vote yet. :(
20100322 18:01:37< artisticdude> and I can't vote yet. :(
20100322 18:01:58< Unnheulu> and you can't vote yet?
20100322 18:01:59< Unnheulu> and you can't vote yet?
20100322 18:02:01< Unnheulu> :P
20100322 18:02:40< Unnheulu> besides, you guys are getting it easy
20100322 18:02:41< artisticdude> sadly, no. Unless I fudged my birth certificate (kidding)
20100322 18:02:47< artisticdude> how so?
20100322 18:02:48< Unnheulu> obama's nothing like brown
20100322 18:03:11< Unnheulu> labours all about micro-management
20100322 18:03:16< Gambit> Obama is a marxist who's parents gave him up for their love of communism
20100322 18:03:20< artisticdude> how so?
20100322 18:03:22< Gambit> at least if you believe Glenn Beck 100% :P
20100322 18:03:35 * Unnheulu doesn't know who Glenn Beck is
20100322 18:03:38-!- SekoIdiootti_eat is now known as SekoIdiootti
20100322 18:03:46 * Unnheulu has only been to the USA thrice, all times were skiing
20100322 18:03:54< artisticdude> When obama became president, the muslims offered up like 50 cattle for his protection
20100322 18:04:06< Gambit> :\
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20100322 18:04:15< artisticdude> no kidding. He's too friendly with them for me. Perhaps he's a sleeper.
20100322 18:04:35< Unnheulu> he's also friendly with Israel
20100322 18:04:45< Gambit> Dude if it comes down to that I would have given the dems 100 cattle not to pick him as a cantidate
20100322 18:04:48< Unnheulu> which is why there was the christmas day bombs or w/e
20100322 18:05:05< Unnheulu> whats wrong with obama someone?
20100322 18:05:13< Gambit> He's WAAAAAAY to liberal
20100322 18:05:20< sevis> I've heard of Glenn Beck, never watched. For some reason, he has the image of An Ultimate Dimwit for me, is that unearned?
20100322 18:05:30< artisticdude> He's for abortion, which is #1 on my list
20100322 18:05:43< Gambit> sevis: He knows his stuff; but crazyness sells
20100322 18:05:55< Gambit> His show has become more a spectacle these days
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20100322 18:06:08< artisticdude> Glenn Beck is a great comedian. He and Bill O'Reilly.
20100322 18:06:09< Gambit> But throughout the rants, he's asking questions nobody else is
20100322 18:06:13< Gambit> And that nobody will answer.
20100322 18:06:35< Unnheulu> at least obama isn't trying to shiftthe blame onto all the bankers
20100322 18:06:45< Unnheulu> at least he's not trying to make people *hate* bankers :P
20100322 18:07:06< sevis> Aha. Might take a look at something by him someday.
20100322 18:07:14< artisticdude> Seeya later, guys. I've got some dishes to clean. X(
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20100322 18:07:27< sevis> Gambit, what about Obama's policy is too liberal?
20100322 18:07:36< sevis> policies*
20100322 18:07:40< Gambit> sevis: two words Public option
20100322 18:07:49< Gambit> He wanted it so bad.
20100322 18:08:02< Gambit> a few more words: taking over the auto industry
20100322 18:08:12< sevis> For healthcare? Why do you find that bad?
20100322 18:08:23< Gambit> The government shouldn't be owning and operating buisnesses
20100322 18:08:33< Unnheulu> our one does
20100322 18:08:51< noy> Most of the US healthcare system already has the "public option"
20100322 18:08:58< sevis> Not even if the goal of the business should be maximal coverage?
20100322 18:09:26< noy> 1/2 of the system is "public" already
20100322 18:09:33< noy> that boat sailed long ago
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20100322 18:12:23< sevis> Taking over the auto industry wasn't a great move, I agree, but half-killing that industry to make sure it doesn't die entirely is not a bad thing, imho.
20100322 18:12:37< sevis> It isn't something that is easy to rebuild.
20100322 18:13:02< Unnheulu> why is obama president if he's so bad?
20100322 18:13:42< Gambit> Indeed
20100322 18:13:45< Gambit> why was bush?
20100322 18:13:47< Gambit> or hoover?
20100322 18:13:53< Gambit> ^^either bush
20100322 18:14:04< noy> Because Bush was one of the most inept implementers of all time.
20100322 18:14:18< noy> When his father was likely one of the best
20100322 18:14:59< Gambit> Unnheulu: Back in the olden days before even our grandparents were born American presidents were well known before they were presidents
20100322 18:15:03< Gambit> These days we hardly know them
20100322 18:15:22< Gambit> We pick which one *appears* to be good.
20100322 18:15:27< noy> Thats just patently false. 
20100322 18:15:35< Gambit> shhh this is Gambit logic ;)
20100322 18:15:44< noy> Back during your "Grandparents" age you didn't know squat
20100322 18:15:53< Gambit> I said before then :'(
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20100322 18:16:03< noy> okay take Lincoln
20100322 18:16:06< sevis> Back in the good old days, we had a king, who was chosen by God...
20100322 18:16:23< Jarkko> artisticdude: That was some quick dish-washing there.
20100322 18:16:24< noy> he was by no means the front runner for a party that wasn't supposed to be contending for the election
20100322 18:16:38< Gambit> The last few elections haven't been so much picking the good cantidate as it was picking the least worst of the two idiots (imo)
20100322 18:16:42< artisticdude> yeah, I'm an expert :P
20100322 18:17:06< noy> I think Obama's one of the most acute individuals you will ever meet
20100322 18:17:09< Unnheulu> Sarah Palin :-D
20100322 18:17:36< noy> I know one of his cabinet picks, and she's extremely on the ball
20100322 18:17:44< artisticdude> Myself
20100322 18:17:45< Gambit> noy: He's leading the wrong country.
20100322 18:18:08< artisticdude> Very true.
20100322 18:18:10< noy> Oh the wrong country? Last I checked the US had a healthcare system that was broken.
20100322 18:18:27< noy> and is about to get alot more broken in the years ahead
20100322 18:18:31< Gambit> Yes but it also believes that the people's opinion matters.
20100322 18:18:37< Unnheulu> Gambit: methinks spearmen are overpowered in my campaign...
20100322 18:18:47< noy> What system doesn't?
20100322 18:18:58< Gambit> China :o
20100322 18:19:04< Unnheulu> but then again methinks me is a bad player and shouldn't judge when noy is around
20100322 18:19:07< noy> Seriously, have you ever experienced ANY other healthcare system from a OECD country?
20100322 18:19:19< noy> Like Canada, France, or the UK?
20100322 18:19:19< Unnheulu> whats america's system?
20100322 18:19:34< artisticdude> Good try, Gambit. Pity it didn't work.
20100322 18:19:37< Gambit> noy: Don't those country's leaders all come here for the better medicine :P
20100322 18:19:41< Unnheulu> you can't say the uk's healthcare system :)
20100322 18:19:57< Gambit> artisticdude: What didn't work?
20100322 18:20:08< noy> Oh thats great Gambit, so the US is good at the ultra expensive system. 
20100322 18:20:08< artisticdude> Your attempt to change the subject
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20100322 18:20:19< Unnheulu> whats america's system?
20100322 18:20:25< Sacho> There isn't one
20100322 18:20:25< noy> Which basically bankrupts the rest of the system
20100322 18:20:35< Unnheulu> :-D
20100322 18:20:36< Gambit> I'd rather be flat broke and alive
20100322 18:20:49< Sacho> Some people prefer to have both.
20100322 18:20:52< Sacho> It's not an either or.
20100322 18:20:54< Unnheulu> Gambit: wuts america's healthcare system?
20100322 18:20:56< Sacho> Stop living in black and white world.
20100322 18:21:17< Gambit> You get cheap and shit, or expensive and good.
20100322 18:21:22< Sacho> No.
20100322 18:21:29< Gambit> Except wesnoth
20100322 18:21:29< noy> Well Gambit, people live longer and have money in the G8 countries
20100322 18:21:40< noy> they don't have to make that choice
20100322 18:21:43< Sacho> A public healthcare system working on prevention and a private healthcare system working on treatment
20100322 18:21:48< Sacho> is a great idea.
20100322 18:21:49< noy> and to be honest, niether do people on Medicare
20100322 18:22:01< noy> Which is GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE SINCE 1965
20100322 18:22:18< noy> This is one of the most ridiculous discussions I've seen
20100322 18:22:21< Sacho> noy: But only new government health care is communism
20100322 18:22:23< Sacho> obviously.
20100322 18:22:26< noy> Right
20100322 18:22:36< Gambit> Medicare is a social program
20100322 18:22:46< noy> So is healthcare
20100322 18:22:57< artisticdude> weren't we against communism once? (sarcasm]
20100322 18:22:58< Gambit> Public option is government setting up shop, and driving independent healthcare insurance out of buisness
20100322 18:23:08< Sacho> No, it isn't.
20100322 18:23:11< Sacho> Notice the word option in it?
20100322 18:23:20< Sacho> It's not there just so there's two words.
20100322 18:23:22< Gambit> Notice the insanely cheaper prices they want
20100322 18:23:28< noy> Medicare was MUCH MUCH worse
20100322 18:23:37< Sacho> Didn't you just say you preferred expensive and good?
20100322 18:23:39< noy> Gambit: because there is price inflation in the market
20100322 18:23:45< Unnheulu> well if the government healthcare's system is better whats wrong with removing private?...
20100322 18:23:45< Gambit> Notice that to match those prices the quality of care would be lowered
20100322 18:23:46< Sacho> Sounds like private wouldn't be dead.
20100322 18:23:51< artisticdude> you'd be nuts to not go for the cheaper one... which is what they're counting on
20100322 18:24:00< Unnheulu> if privates better then the governments one won't crush it
20100322 18:24:03< sevis> How do the public options prices compare to European healthcare ones?
20100322 18:24:07< noy> So why do Seniors want to keep medicare and fight for it tooth and nail?
20100322 18:24:11< Unnheulu> artisticdude: which is what we count on here with free medicine
20100322 18:24:17< Unnheulu> and free treatments and operations
20100322 18:24:25< Unnheulu> including homeopathy >.<
20100322 18:24:26< shadowmaster> Samwise|afk: what's up with me?
20100322 18:24:28< noy> In reality people can't afford good care anymore
20100322 18:24:33< shadowmaster> Gambit: wait.
20100322 18:24:39< Gambit> ?
20100322 18:24:42 * Gambit waits.
20100322 18:24:50< shadowmaster> Gambit: still with the pointless highlighting ? :/
20100322 18:24:51< Sacho> You need a public healthcare system so people with *easily* treatable problems can go and get treated.
20100322 18:24:54< noy> I have a friend who owns his own small business and he can;t afford to pay for his employees healthcare
20100322 18:24:58< Sacho> Without fearing serious $$$ loss.
20100322 18:25:09< Gambit> shadowmaster: Trying to avoid highlighting.
20100322 18:25:13< shadowmaster> 13:50:22 <Gambit> I bet you can't guess which one of us is Shadow Master :P
20100322 18:25:13< noy> because its exorbitant 
20100322 18:25:24< Sacho> If you have a cheap public option, you can focus on prevention, on regular visits, and checkups
20100322 18:25:25< Unnheulu> why not go for the free healthcare?
20100322 18:25:38< Sacho> Even if those doctors are "sloppier"(not necessarily true), early prevention costs so so so much less
20100322 18:26:00< Sacho> You're looking into paying less, not paying more.
20100322 18:26:22< Gambit> I rather like knowing that my heart surgeon makes a *ton* of cash and that if he fucks up he will lose it all.
20100322 18:26:37< Sacho> Yeah, because you go to regular checkups to a heart surgeon, right
20100322 18:26:40< Sacho> Can you at least try arguing
20100322 18:26:46< noy> Okay, so he messess up once... then you're out a brilliant heart surgeon
20100322 18:26:53< noy> good for you to spite your face
20100322 18:27:03< Unnheulu> if he messes up once his hospital is shut down :)
20100322 18:27:05< Gambit> noy: I'm also dead :\
20100322 18:27:19< noy> yeah so is everybody else who might have had him afterwards
20100322 18:27:19< Unnheulu> thats the easy way out
20100322 18:27:36< Sacho> Gambit: Then push for medical care from robots.
20100322 18:27:40< Sacho> Because people make mistakes.
20100322 18:27:43< Gambit> noy: Which is why doctors have to go to school so long. They're valuable.
20100322 18:27:53< Gambit> People want the job
20100322 18:27:54< noy> yeah and one mistake and you want him canned
20100322 18:27:54< Unnheulu> robots are even worse
20100322 18:27:55< Gambit> And they have to do it well
20100322 18:28:05< Unnheulu> they can't make judgements on the situation
20100322 18:28:20< Sacho> Gambit: I don't see how this invalidates the public option at all, though
20100322 18:28:23< noy> Every man is fallible, 
20100322 18:28:26< Sacho> it's just pointless rhetoric
20100322 18:28:29< artisticdude> My dad went to school for roughly 22 years before he became a doctor (including preschool)
20100322 18:28:29< artisticdude> My dad went to school for roughly 22 years before he became a doctor (including preschool)
20100322 18:28:46< Unnheulu> :-D
20100322 18:28:48< Sacho> Saying it that way is retarded
20100322 18:28:53< Gambit> less money for insurance ->less money for doctors
20100322 18:29:02< Sacho> if you're a specialist in a field you probably go for 18+ years in school
20100322 18:29:08< Unnheulu> but if you don't pay for healthcare you don't need insurance...
20100322 18:29:08< Sacho> doesn't sound as impressive now, does it
20100322 18:29:16< Blarumyrran> artisticdude, is "preschool" the same as kindergarden?
20100322 18:29:19< Sacho> Gambit: If only the world worked so simply.
20100322 18:29:30< sevis> Gambit, you're assuming all money you pay for insurance goes to doctors...
20100322 18:29:31< artisticdude> no, preschool is before kindergarden
20100322 18:29:32< noy> yeah after the 30% overhead is taken off
20100322 18:29:40< Gambit> sevis: No. I know it doesn't
20100322 18:29:46< Sacho> Not to mention, you just said you wanted the best quality for your heart surgeon
20100322 18:29:47< Gambit> Insurance companies are greedy.
20100322 18:29:51< Sacho> Do you know how to get the best?
20100322 18:29:57< Gambit> But they'll want to keep making their 70 cents on every dollar.
20100322 18:30:03< Gambit> Which will mean less for doctors.
20100322 18:30:06< artisticdude> Start your own. :P
20100322 18:30:28< sevis> Then that comparison is flawed. An insurance company that works to minimize costs or maximise coverage would benefit doctors.
20100322 18:30:32< noy> they also curtail service... They have deathpanels
20100322 18:30:39< Gambit> xD
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20100322 18:31:04< sevis> Gambit, where will the money go, then? Assuming doctors charge the same?
20100322 18:31:07< Sacho> Gambit: you need to stop operating in black and white world.
20100322 18:31:31< sevis> Will people suddenly have *less* coverage due to the public option?
20100322 18:31:32< Unnheulu> there is such a thing as free healthcare
20100322 18:31:36< Unnheulu> that solves all the problem
20100322 18:31:42< noy> no there isn't
20100322 18:31:49< Gambit> Unnheulu: Not the problem with doctor quality.
20100322 18:31:58< Sacho> Then bloody well have a private option for doctor quality
20100322 18:32:03< Unnheulu> Gambit: if the doctors still paid...
20100322 18:32:15< noy> Everybody pays, just the question is how.
20100322 18:32:17< noy> and where
20100322 18:32:21< Sacho> Gambit: Not only is your argument flawed
20100322 18:32:28< Sacho> since doctor quality does not directly correlate with pay
20100322 18:32:32< Sacho> especially in the US system
20100322 18:32:42< Sacho> where there's a ton of proxies between doctor and patient
20100322 18:33:01< Sacho> But even if it were true, you can still GO TO THAT DOCTOR and PAY him
20100322 18:33:05< Sacho> hence, OPTION
20100322 18:33:06< Unnheulu> LOAYAlISTS ARE %^&*()_ OVERPOWERED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
20100322 18:33:28< artisticdude> They are finely balanced, you mean.
20100322 18:33:42< Unnheulu> ofc not
20100322 18:33:43< Sacho> Not really, they're just versatile without a glaring weakness.
20100322 18:33:51< Unnheulu> no unit is
20100322 18:33:51< Gambit> Unnheulu: wth?
20100322 18:33:56< artisticdude> (it's working!)
20100322 18:33:59< Unnheulu> wesnoth can't balance things properly
20100322 18:34:08< Unnheulu> I'm going back to Civ IV until they are balanced
20100322 18:34:14< Unnheulu> in a years time I want them better
20100322 18:34:23< Unnheulu> do you hear me weird multi devs!!!!!!!!!!!
20100322 18:34:26< Unnheulu> YOUR USELESS!
20100322 18:34:32< Gambit> Unnheulu: rofl. wtf?
20100322 18:34:35< noy> Unnheulu: stop spamming
20100322 18:34:38< noy> you're being annoying
20100322 18:34:43< Blarumyrran> Black is underpowered, nerf White
20100322 18:34:43< Unnheulu> (newbie impersonation)
20100322 18:34:51< Unnheulu> couldn't resist sorry
20100322 18:35:13< noy> Its annoying when they did it and its annoying when you do
20100322 18:35:21< Gambit> Blarumyrran: combine red and black into one faction.
20100322 18:35:23< Unnheulu> sorry noy...
20100322 18:35:35 * Unnheulu remembers why he used to be scared of noy no :-D
20100322 18:35:35< Sacho> It's just not really that funny
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20100322 18:35:42< Blarumyrran> Gambit, I'm not sure what you're referencing, what's Red?
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20100322 18:35:53< artisticdude> I feel lost without the 'quote' button in the forums
20100322 18:36:00< Gambit> Blarumyrran: Well what were you referencing? :)
20100322 18:36:05< Unnheulu> oops
20100322 18:36:18< Blarumyrran> nevermind
20100322 18:36:31< Unnheulu> noy: are you not amused with my impersonation?
20100322 18:36:35< noy> no
20100322 18:36:41< Unnheulu> *cries*
20100322 18:36:49 * Unnheulu did his best
20100322 18:36:56< Gambit> Unnheulu: Misinterperet the double negative as a win. :)
20100322 18:37:02< Unnheulu> humm?
20100322 18:37:08< Unnheulu> oh :-D
20100322 18:37:16< artisticdude> algebra :(
20100322 18:37:19< Unnheulu> yay noy is amused with my impersonation!!!
20100322 18:37:24< Unnheulu> :-D:-D:-D
20100322 18:37:56< Gambit> And we're now full circle from spam to heated debate to spam.
20100322 18:38:06< Unnheulu> I'm gonna do a goblin campaign after this one
20100322 18:38:15< Unnheulu> and I'm going to stop them being overpowered in my campaign
20100322 18:38:21< Unnheulu> proof there overpowered you say?
20100322 18:38:33< Unnheulu> Decent into Darkness, easiest difficulty, level two
20100322 18:38:44< Unnheulu> and No
20100322 18:38:47< Unnheulu> its not that I'm bad
20100322 18:38:53< shadowmaster> sssh.
20100322 18:38:59< Unnheulu> I am the greatest player eva
20100322 18:39:00< Unnheulu> hmm?
20100322 18:39:06< Blarumyrran> Stop it
20100322 18:39:08< shadowmaster> I want to enjoy the silence
20100322 18:39:13< artisticdude> New topic wanted.
20100322 18:39:14< Unnheulu> oh great I contradicted my earlier phrase
20100322 18:39:15< Unnheulu> kay
20100322 18:39:18< Gambit> http://www.sssh.com/
20100322 18:39:23-!- mode/#wesnoth [+o shadowmaster] by ChanServ
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20100322 18:39:32< Unnheulu> :-D
20100322 18:39:36<@shadowmaster> er, sorry, misfired
20100322 18:39:37< SekoIdiootti> :o
20100322 18:39:40< Unnheulu> uhoh
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20100322 18:39:56< Sacho> unclicky
20100322 18:40:00-!- mode/#wesnoth [+q-q *!*@cpc5-pnth2-0-0-cust800.5-2.cable.virginmedia.com Gambit!*@*] by shadowmaster
20100322 18:40:08< Gambit> Hmmm
20100322 18:40:12< Gambit> Thank you.
20100322 18:41:05-!- mode/#wesnoth [-qo *!*@wesnoth/*/bot/* shadowmaster] by shadowmaster
20100322 18:41:23< Gambit> Goodbye everyone.
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20100322 18:42:24< artisticdude> yeah, guess I'll go too. See y'all later.
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20100322 18:56:38< artisticdude> Hey Telaron
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20100322 19:22:27< Gambit> Someone who knows legal stuff: Is CC music like Flight of the Bumblebee allowed in wesnoth UMC?
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20100322 19:24:08< Blarumyrran> ... how is flight of the bumblebee legal.
20100322 19:24:12< Blarumyrran> cc*.
20100322 19:25:08< Gambit> Well according to wikimedia it is :\
20100322 19:25:45< Gambit> maybe it's just that performance of it
20100322 19:25:48< Blarumyrran> yes
20100322 19:25:55< Gambit> nevermind :s
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20100322 19:27:46< King_Elendil> Hello
20100322 19:27:55< artisticdude_> Hey, man!
20100322 19:28:09< King_Elendil> Artisticdude!
20100322 19:28:16< SekoIdiootti> Hapy reuinion!
20100322 19:28:21< SekoIdiootti> *reunion
20100322 19:28:24< King_Elendil> sort-of
20100322 19:28:25< SekoIdiootti> *Happy
20100322 19:28:46< SekoIdiootti> (in case you don't know, I'm woodmouse in the forums)
20100322 19:28:51< artisticdude_> Yes, it is I. Just discovered this IRC thing today
20100322 19:29:04< King_Elendil> oh, wow this is an artisty day lol
20100322 19:29:09< SekoIdiootti> lol
20100322 19:29:14< King_Elendil> me too lol
20100322 19:29:24< artisticdude_> Why do you use a different name here, SekoIdiootti?
20100322 19:29:32< SekoIdiootti> well... I use this one everywhere
20100322 19:29:47< SekoIdiootti> just not in Wesnoth forums, and a few other forums
20100322 19:30:04< artisticdude_> how many forums are you on?
20100322 19:30:09< King_Elendil> hmm 
20100322 19:30:10< SekoIdiootti> hmmm
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20100322 19:30:14< SekoIdiootti> I'd say 20, lol
20100322 19:30:15< SekoIdiootti> or something
20100322 19:30:23 * King_Elendil runs a google search
20100322 19:30:30< King_Elendil> just kidding lol
20100322 19:30:51< artisticdude_> I'm registered on four, but I've forgotten my registration stuff for Spiderweb Software's forums.
20100322 19:30:57< King_Elendil> is gambit still here?
20100322 19:31:13-!- mode/#wesnoth [+o shadowmaster] by ChanServ
20100322 19:31:21-!- mode/#wesnoth [-qo *!*@cpc5-pnth2-0-0-cust800.5-2.cable.virginmedia.com shadowmaster] by shadowmaster
20100322 19:31:24< Gambit> Yes.
20100322 19:31:27< artisticdude_> I believe so.
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20100322 19:31:37< King_Elendil> hello again
20100322 19:31:42< Unnheulu> ssh now everyone knows what town I'm from :O
20100322 19:31:42< Gambit> I'm not like you guys on the webchat. I leave this open all day. :)
20100322 19:31:47< King_Elendil> another artist
20100322 19:31:56< Gambit> Unnheulu: That displays every time you enter the room -_-
20100322 19:32:08< Unnheulu> oh...
20100322 19:32:12< SekoIdiootti> lol, yeah, it does
20100322 19:32:20< Unnheulu> cause minus 3 letters its my town name
20100322 19:32:22< Unnheulu> (in it)
20100322 19:32:26< Unnheulu> (+ 3 letters)
20100322 19:32:34< shadowmaster> virginia?
20100322 19:32:44< shadowmaster> pantheon?
20100322 19:32:50< Telaron> Greetz
20100322 19:32:50< artisticdude_> So what's the topic now?
20100322 19:32:50< Unnheulu> :/
20100322 19:32:58< Unnheulu> I'm in the uk not america :P
20100322 19:33:02< Unnheulu> or greece :/
20100322 19:33:03< shadowmaster> artisticdude_: /TOPIC
20100322 19:33:16< Telaron> I'M in Virginia
20100322 19:33:19< King_Elendil> i'm probably more clueless than you artisticdude
20100322 19:33:23< SekoIdiootti> You're in Wales... Hmmm... What's there....=
20100322 19:33:27< SekoIdiootti> *?
20100322 19:33:32< SekoIdiootti> I don't know anything about it xD
20100322 19:33:36< shadowmaster> and don't be annoying that I run out of patience very quickly
20100322 19:33:58< Telaron> Be forewarned...
20100322 19:34:25< Unnheulu> SekoIdiootti: thespaceinvader probably knows the town name
20100322 19:34:37< Unnheulu> he hopefully doesn't know which one of the towns I live in
20100322 19:34:47< Gambit> Unnheulu: someone could whois that.
20100322 19:34:55< Telaron> Just lock your door and you will be fine
20100322 19:34:58< Unnheulu> if they do I live under a tree :D
20100322 19:35:01< Gambit> And then we'd know your ISP omgz.
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20100322 19:35:29< shadowmaster> Gambit: that's the whole point for stopping troublemakers on IRC
20100322 19:35:33< Unnheulu_> aargh I did CTRL+R
20100322 19:35:37< King_Elendil> ha lol that was odd
20100322 19:35:44< shadowmaster> and reporting them to their ISPs if it is required
20100322 19:35:55< Gambit> Unnheulu_: I've almost killed the naga queen.
20100322 19:36:00 * King_Elendil is lost
20100322 19:36:03< Unnheulu_> nice gambit
20100322 19:36:06< Unnheulu_> you don't have to
20100322 19:36:12< Unnheulu_> plus my bro is giving them a range unit
20100322 19:36:17< Unnheulu_> (to make it tougher)
20100322 19:36:25< Gambit> Also does she have to cry out *every* time you kill one?
20100322 19:36:31< Unnheulu_> wait, sm you'd tell me isp?
20100322 19:36:33< Unnheulu_> yeh gambit
20100322 19:36:38-!- SekoIdiootti is now known as SekoIdiootti_afk
20100322 19:36:41< shadowmaster> Unnheulu_: what?
20100322 19:36:48< Telaron> You playing wesnoth too?
20100322 19:36:49< Unnheulu_> if I misbehaved
20100322 19:36:50< artisticdude_> King_Elendil: did you see Gambit's new forum title?
20100322 19:37:02< Unnheulu_> goes check
20100322 19:37:05< Gambit> oh yeah btw shadowmaster did you have anything to do with that ^^^?
20100322 19:37:05< King_Elendil> no what is it?
20100322 19:37:14< shadowmaster> Gambit: with what?
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20100322 19:37:20< Gambit> My forum title.
20100322 19:37:38< shadowmaster> and you think that the forums run themselves?
20100322 19:37:45< Unnheulu_> xD
20100322 19:37:48< Unnheulu_> pwnage
20100322 19:37:49< King_Elendil> lol
20100322 19:37:50< artisticdude_> Would you like to tell him what it is or should I, Gambit?
20100322 19:37:52< shadowmaster> you cannot change your forum title, I know that very well.
20100322 19:39:18< artisticdude_> What do you do in order to earn a forum title? I know what you do for art contrib. (that's my goal), but what about, say, WML pioneer or forum regular?
20100322 19:39:28< shadowmaster> it'll come to you
20100322 19:39:32< Telaron> I bet there are several people who act as more than one player on the forums 
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20100322 19:40:10< King_Elendil> hello
20100322 19:40:23< Samwise> Hello
20100322 19:40:23< King_Elendil> what is it titled
20100322 19:40:34< King_Elendil> gambit?
20100322 19:40:37< Gambit> WML Pioneer = do some crazy awesome stuff with WML
20100322 19:40:43< Gambit> forum regular = behave and don't spam
20100322 19:41:42< Gambit> Forum regular: Either nobody has been well behaved enough recently, or they're just not giving them out anymore.
20100322 19:41:52< Gambit> Though A could cause B.
20100322 19:41:52< shadowmaster> yeah, you suck
20100322 19:41:59< artisticdude_> Oh. Well you've already done some amazing stuff with WML (Zero's staypuft man with four or five healthbars)
20100322 19:42:07< Telaron> I'm a perfect angel -_-
20100322 19:42:10< shadowmaster> (by "you" I meant the community, btw)
20100322 19:42:17< Gambit> artisticdude_: I haven't done that yet ;)
20100322 19:42:31< Gambit> It's just art and pseudocode atm.
20100322 19:42:31< King_Elendil> what is gambits forum title? "loose screw"?
20100322 19:42:36< HerrStrauss> Aww I am only a forum regular
20100322 19:42:51< shadowmaster> disto?
20100322 19:42:54< HerrStrauss> Hello
20100322 19:42:59< artisticdude_> Only a picture? Boohoo. :(
20100322 19:42:59< Telaron> Is loose screw a complementary name?
20100322 19:43:00-!- SekoIdiootti_afk is now known as SekoIdiootti
20100322 19:43:02< shadowmaster> I remember that name
20100322 19:43:09< HerrStrauss> It's been a while
20100322 19:43:12< shadowmaster> Telaron: no, it is suplementary
20100322 19:43:20< Gambit> But I can still remember just the way you taste.
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20100322 19:43:32< Gambit> HerrStrauss: Love that song.
20100322 19:43:38< King_Elendil> what are we talking about now?
20100322 19:43:51< Telaron> A song
20100322 19:44:08< King_Elendil> oh, that's why I'm lost
20100322 19:44:11< artisticdude_> What song?
20100322 19:44:16< Gambit> Shadowmaster so what + Loose Screw = 180 degrees?
20100322 19:44:33< King_Elendil> wha?
20100322 19:44:36< shadowmaster> a very broad angle
20100322 19:44:40< Telaron> Another loose screw?
20100322 19:44:56< Gambit> shadowmaster: So that means I'm acute?
20100322 19:45:12< SekoIdiootti> lol I misread "acute" as "cute". :0
20100322 19:45:24< Telaron> Yuck!
20100322 19:45:30< shadowmaster> SekoIdiootti: we don't care, really, you keep misreading everything.
20100322 19:45:48< SekoIdiootti> yeah, I do... But... I just have to tell it to someone.
20100322 19:45:50< shadowmaster> so you could grow up a little and stop announcing whatever idiotic thought crosses your mind
20100322 19:45:52< HerrStrauss> I made the Marauders shadowmaster, seeing as I'm now on the #modo channel on Freenode, I decided I might as well hang around here too
20100322 19:45:53< shadowmaster> no, you don't have to.
20100322 19:46:11< shadowmaster> HerrStrauss: yeah, I remember you from an art contribs gallery entry (RIP)
20100322 19:46:26< shadowmaster> circa 2006
20100322 19:46:27< Telaron> RIT
20100322 19:46:34< HerrStrauss> Sounds about right
20100322 19:46:43< shadowmaster> it's fun to remember people for their contributions, huh?
20100322 19:46:57< HerrStrauss> Indeed
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20100322 19:47:24< HerrStrauss> I remember you had a rather particular art style at the time
20100322 19:47:40< shadowmaster> no, I wasn't around at that time. You might be talking of Shadow/Wayfarer
20100322 19:47:40< HerrStrauss> Very good for shadowy figures
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20100322 19:47:46< HerrStrauss> Ah.
20100322 19:47:48< HerrStrauss> My bad
20100322 19:47:57< HerrStrauss> Is he still around?
20100322 19:48:43< Blarumyrran> Rarely; and he mostly says silly things
20100322 19:48:46< King_Elendil_> that was odd, my brother put my mac to sleep and I lost conection. anyway, i'm back. what did I mis?
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20100322 19:49:07< King_Elendil_> I quit?
20100322 19:49:08< artisticdude_> It's barely spring and my allergies are already acting up. I hate pollen. :(
20100322 19:49:14< Gambit> King_Elendil_: /nick King_Elendil
20100322 19:49:21< Gambit> That'll reclaim your name.
20100322 19:49:37-!- King_Elendil_ is now known as King_Elendil
20100322 19:49:55< King_Elendil> why did I have to do that?
20100322 19:50:14< Gambit> Some network thinger relogged you in as yourname_
20100322 19:50:19< Gambit> lag?
20100322 19:50:24< Gambit> I dunno the technical term :P
20100322 19:50:28-!- artisticdude_ is now known as artisticdude
20100322 19:50:35< HerrStrauss> You rejoined before your previous login timed out
20100322 19:50:43< King_Elendil> oh
20100322 19:50:48< artisticdude> It works.
20100322 19:51:48< Blarumyrran> shadowmaster, do you mean GraphicLibrary? I can't find him there...
20100322 19:51:57< King_Elendil> well now i have to go have lunch so I'll see y'all later. artisticdude: good luck on your RPG 
20100322 19:52:01< shadowmaster> Blarumyrran: long ago.
20100322 19:52:11< artisticdude> thanks. Seeya.
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20100322 19:52:12< Blarumyrran> What, are graphic library entries pruned?
20100322 19:52:15< shadowmaster> maybe it was destroyed
20100322 19:52:25< shadowmaster> who knows. -.-
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20100322 19:53:51< artisticdude> barely spring and already my allergies are acting up. I hate pollen. :(
20100322 19:54:02< Unnheulu_> aargh
20100322 19:54:07< Unnheulu_> units move too slowly in caves
20100322 19:54:14< Unnheulu_> If only I could speed them up
20100322 19:54:17< Telaron> *Sneeze*
20100322 19:54:22< artisticdude> dang, I already said that. (weird)
20100322 19:54:33< Blarumyrran> Unnheulu_, there is cave road for that
20100322 19:54:40< Unnheulu_> which they're on
20100322 19:54:45< Unnheulu_> its still a bottle neck >.<
20100322 19:56:31< Blarumyrran> Zarel, it is YOU who are absurdist
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20100322 19:56:59< Telaron> How did Zarel get into this?
20100322 19:57:14< Unnheulu_> is it possible to stop units from passing a certain point?
20100322 19:57:19< Unnheulu_> I know you can stop them going on a certain point
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20100322 19:57:29< Blarumyrran> Telaron, by sheer absurdism
20100322 19:57:31< Zarel> I what?
20100322 19:57:53< Telaron> YOu just answered your question Unnheulu
20100322 19:57:53< HerrStrauss> Unnheulu_, could you simply just stop them going on a certain point repeated over an area?
20100322 19:57:57< Zarel> Heh.
20100322 19:58:14< artisticdude> you got into here through sheer absurdism?
20100322 19:58:23< Telaron> Try [avoid]
20100322 19:58:36< Zarel> You could make that point Unwalkable.
20100322 19:58:44< Unnheulu_> perhaps
20100322 19:58:48< Unnheulu_> but its a huge area
20100322 19:58:56< Unnheulu_> Zarel: but the players meant to cross it
20100322 19:59:01< SekoIdiootti> so...
20100322 19:59:04< Zarel> I don't know much about WML, but there might be a way to make that point Unwalkable only for that unit.
20100322 19:59:09< SekoIdiootti> do as Telaron said
20100322 19:59:23< Unnheulu_> I guess cause its a straight line I could make them just not allowed to go onto anything below a certain y
20100322 19:59:40< Unnheulu_> i think thats what httT does
20100322 19:59:49< Telaron> [avoid]
20100322 20:00:04< artisticdude> to clear it up, [avoid] is a tagset, with a filter location tagset between it, and between the [filter_location] tagset are your x,y coordinates.
20100322 20:00:14< Telaron> Then the x, y  then use the closing tag for [avoid]
20100322 20:00:16< Gambit> you could have a moveto event that then fake_moves them back away from it
20100322 20:00:31< Gambit> Why are they avoiding that spot?
20100322 20:00:46< Unnheulu_> Gambit: cuase I don't want the player finding them till a certain time
20100322 20:00:57< Unnheulu_> cant i do avoid y=0-20000?
20100322 20:01:13< Unnheulu_> (i just said avoid to avoid using the tag_
20100322 20:01:23< Telaron> No, only through 200
20100322 20:01:31< Unnheulu_> Telaron: I know the map limits :P
20100322 20:01:35< Unnheulu_> I
20100322 20:01:39< artisticdude> Then you're better off using avoid, 'cause it doesn't show up on the minimap like impassible terrain does
20100322 20:01:41< Unnheulu_> 'm just assuming thats the size of the map :P
20100322 20:02:52< artisticdude> I'm gonna post this in my thread, but what do you think of my PRG having a crime tolerance level?
20100322 20:03:17< artisticdude> EDIT: RPG, not PRG.
20100322 20:03:17< Telaron> You're making a PRG?
20100322 20:03:54< Unnheulu_> artisticdude: I guess thats cool
20100322 20:04:04< Telaron> I thought so... but, yeah, if you can write the code for it. (it can't be too hard)
20100322 20:04:05< Unnheulu_> cause I know some areas where crime is tolerated
20100322 20:04:15< artisticdude> No, I'm making PRGRSS on my RPG ;)
20100322 20:04:16< Telaron> Not my house
20100322 20:04:16< Telaron> Not my house
20100322 20:04:32< Gambit> Rocket propelled grenades are dangerous.
20100322 20:04:44< artisticdude> I mean, like killing someone or stealing valuable goods would not be tollorated (the village would attack you if you did that).
20100322 20:04:47< Gambit> Making them at home is dangerous artisticdude.
20100322 20:04:54< Telaron> Not in my backyard ;)
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20100322 20:05:29< artisticdude> it is... oh, yeah. Okay. ;-)
20100322 20:05:40< Telaron> Peter Jackson admitted to blowing a lot of stuff up in his backyard...
20100322 20:06:09< artisticdude> his dog, his balloon, his house, himself...
20100322 20:06:55< Telaron> What kinda balloon? A hot-air balloon?
20100322 20:07:25< artisticdude> enough foolishness already. What's next on the list, Gambit?
20100322 20:07:31< Unnheulu_> anyone here taking part in pyweek?
20100322 20:07:38< Gambit> what list?
20100322 20:07:55< Telaron> The conversation list ;)
20100322 20:08:08< Gambit> Oh am I in charge of that? :s
20100322 20:08:09< Telaron> What's pyweek?
20100322 20:08:11< Telaron> What's pyweek?
20100322 20:08:13< Gambit> Interesting >:[
20100322 20:08:14< artisticdude> the list of topics to talk about, Grenades was first, what's second? ;)
20100322 20:08:20< Gambit> Piweek is March 14th
20100322 20:08:23< Gambit> 3.14 :P
20100322 20:08:36< Gambit> Next on the list is the wesnoth space simulator I am not working on
20100322 20:08:40< Telaron> O, PIweek, right
20100322 20:08:55< Blarumyrran> Putting the month before the day makes no bloody sense
20100322 20:09:01< Gambit> I just need to make it display the planets nicely on the galaxy view, and allow you to zoom back in.
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20100322 20:09:07< artisticdude> Oh. How is it not coming along?
20100322 20:09:11< Gambit> And then allow you to zoom in and out on planets.
20100322 20:09:20< Gambit> Then I will not release a playable demo of the solar system sandbox
20100322 20:09:23< artisticdude> Sounds cool.
20100322 20:10:10< Gambit> Lastly comes the game part of the game, which I expect will be much more difficult.
20100322 20:10:20< Gambit> Randomly generated places is one thing; but quests?
20100322 20:10:59< artisticdude> Possible, I suppose, but it would take a while to code.
20100322 20:11:04< Telaron> Randomly generated quests? Sounds difficult to script...
20100322 20:11:21< Gambit> Um the next item on the conversation list is; Dave's new forum avatar.
20100322 20:11:23 * Gambit runs away
20100322 20:11:45< artisticdude> does he have a new one?
20100322 20:11:51< Telaron> O, Gambit come back!
20100322 20:11:58< Blarumyrran> Even "quests" thought out by actual people are often bad; why would you ever want random ones
20100322 20:12:18< Telaron> So who made Dave's new avatar? Dave?
20100322 20:12:55< Unnheulu_> dave doesn't have an avatar?
20100322 20:13:26< Telaron> gambit probably tricked us... grrr!
20100322 20:14:00< Telaron> Now that I think about it, I haven't noticed him having one either...
20100322 20:14:27< artisticdude> no, Dave doesn't have an avatar. Should have known.
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20100322 20:17:29< Telaron> See yah
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20100322 20:19:38< Gambit> [replace_map] should take a map stored in a variable.
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20100322 20:32:03< King_Elendil> I'm back!
20100322 20:32:42< SekoIdiootti> ok
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20100322 20:33:09< King_Elendil> woodmouse, right?
20100322 20:33:13< SekoIdiootti> yeah
20100322 20:33:26< King_Elendil> hey artisticdude!
20100322 20:33:38< artisticdude_> hey guys.
20100322 20:34:02< artisticdude_> has anyone had trouble logging into the forums recently?
20100322 20:34:02< King_Elendil> are we talking about anything?
20100322 20:34:12< King_Elendil> yes I have
20100322 20:34:22< artisticdude_> what kind of trouble?
20100322 20:34:54< King_Elendil> i had to google it, because it wouldn't work as my home page
20100322 20:35:23< artisticdude_> no problems when you try to log into your account in the forums?
20100322 20:35:38< King_Elendil> I mean its my home page but it wouldnt work from there, even though it always has
20100322 20:35:46< King_Elendil> no
20100322 20:36:56< artisticdude_> oh. Got it. When I try, I can log in just fine, then it logs me out when I try to go to the index page or the forum last visited. It was doing this earlier as well.
20100322 20:37:21< Unnheulu_> %^&*()_
20100322 20:37:26< Unnheulu_> units can walk on lava?
20100322 20:37:33< King_Elendil> hmm, it has never done that to me
20100322 20:37:34< artisticdude_> I'm wondering if someone's hacked my account or something. :(
20100322 20:38:01< King_Elendil> that happened to my mom's ancestry.com account
20100322 20:38:49< King_Elendil> when is the last time you loged in?
20100322 20:38:50< artisticdude_> it got hacked or she was getting the logging-out treatment I am?
20100322 20:39:01< artisticdude_> just a few minutes ago.
20100322 20:39:02< artisticdude_> just a few minutes ago.
20100322 20:39:07< King_Elendil> she thinks it got hacked
20100322 20:39:39< King_Elendil> hmm your profile says 7 minutes ago so that was you
20100322 20:40:16< artisticdude_> Yep, that was me. I logged in three times, but each time it logged me out as soon as it logged me in.
20100322 20:41:26< artisticdude_> It just did it again! X(
20100322 20:41:59< King_Elendil> what i would do is dont log in, but keep an eye on your profile, and if someone else loggs in that's when you should do something
20100322 20:42:13< Gambit> Who would want your forum account :\
20100322 20:42:25< Gambit> It's probably just messed up cookie settings
20100322 20:42:37< artisticdude_> I have no idea. I'm not even a moderator.
20100322 20:43:10< King_Elendil> gambit has a point there lol
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20100322 20:43:44< King_Elendil> are you logged on now?
20100322 20:43:52< artisticdude_> I've never had a problem with my cookie settings before, but it's worth trying.
20100322 20:44:27< King_Elendil> artisticdude_:are you logged on now?
20100322 20:44:49< artisticdude_> Odd, I changed my cookie settings from accept cookies 'never' to 'always', and now it works fine. I've always have my setting on 'never, and I've never had a problem before.
20100322 20:45:03< artisticdude_> I'm logged in, yes.
20100322 20:45:03< artisticdude_> I'm logged in, yes.
20100322 20:45:09< King_Elendil> ok
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20100322 20:45:38< King_Elendil> well if it works than we'll have a good artist back!
20100322 20:46:21< King_Elendil> do you have any on-line examples of your 3D modeling?
20100322 20:46:22< artisticdude_> A 'reasonable' artist. Thanks. : ) Still, I think I'll watch my account for a few days, just in case.
20100322 20:46:49< King_Elendil> yeah, that would be wise imho
20100322 20:46:52< artisticdude_> no, why?
20100322 20:47:31< King_Elendil> just wondering, I've wanted to get into that for a log time, but never really persued it yet
20100322 20:47:49< artisticdude_> you're on a mac, right?
20100322 20:48:00< King_Elendil> yeah 10.4.11
20100322 20:49:26< artisticdude_> then there are several options available for you in the 3d market, if you want to get into that sort of thing. Blender, a super-complicated freeware 3d program, Cheetah 3d, costs $150 last I checked, and a few smaller freeware apps like Wings 3d
20100322 20:50:21< King_Elendil> yeah, the only thing is, I don't really have any uses for 3D stuff right now
20100322 20:50:29< artisticdude_> I mainly use blender for modeling/format conversion, and assemble the final product in Vue easel 6 if I plan on rendering it to a 2d format.
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20100322 20:51:04< artisticdude_> I use 3d-rendered art for attack icons, it looks really good, too.
20100322 20:51:32< King_Elendil> hmm, that might be an option
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20100322 20:52:48< King_Elendil> I have no experiance with this sort of thing, do you think you know any tutorials or a really easy to use program that I might want to get me on my feet?
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20100322 20:54:38< Gambit> King_Elendil: Saurerbraten
20100322 20:55:08< King_Elendil> oh yeah i got that haven't had time to really play it though
20100322 20:55:16< Gambit> And then sketchup
20100322 20:55:19< Unnheulu_> Gambit: what are your comments on my campaign then?
20100322 20:55:20< Gambit> and then read some books
20100322 20:55:26< Gambit> and then blender
20100322 20:55:41< Gambit> Unnheulu_: It's good I guess.
20100322 20:55:48< Unnheulu_> *I guess*
20100322 20:55:50< Unnheulu_> :P
20100322 20:55:57< King_Elendil> what do you mean gambit?
20100322 20:55:58< Gambit> Unnheulu_: I don't know what else you want me to say. The first scenario is good and the second scenario is scary.
20100322 20:56:10< Unnheulu_> ok :P
20100322 20:56:15< Unnheulu_> so its balanced?
20100322 20:56:15< artisticdude_> sketchup is cool, but unless you want to pay five hundred smackers you're limited to saving only in the special 'sketch' format
20100322 20:56:25< Gambit> King_Elendil: You asked about learning 3D modeling :)
20100322 20:56:39< Gambit> artisticdude_: Yes but it's a billion times more user friendly
20100322 20:56:47< King_Elendil> right ok thanks
20100322 20:57:03< King_Elendil> the $500 version?
20100322 20:57:06< Gambit> No
20100322 20:57:09< Gambit> The free one.
20100322 20:57:10< King_Elendil> oh
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20100322 20:57:22< Gambit> Blender was not designed *at all* around being nice to the user.
20100322 20:57:24< Gambit> It hate you.
20100322 20:57:52< artisticdude_> blender was originally a commercial program, and it's kinda outdated.
20100322 20:58:02< King_Elendil> sounds like I want to start there-not!
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20100322 20:58:48< SekoIdiootti> artisticdude: There are plugins
20100322 20:58:51< artisticdude_> cheetah 3d might be a good second step after sketchup. You can't save objects in the demo, but everything else is fully functional, and it's relatively simple.
20100322 20:58:51< SekoIdiootti> to sketchup
20100322 20:59:07< SekoIdiootti> I mean, at least a plugin to export to .x
20100322 20:59:39< artisticdude_> it's dinner time. to ketchup! See you around, guys.
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20100322 21:07:51< John_R> anybody got tips for beating "A harrowing Escape" on hard?
20100322 21:08:08< Unnheulu_> doesn't wesnoth send campaign replays to the website?
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20100322 21:08:35< John_R> dunno
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20100322 21:10:42< Unnheulu_> I'm asking cause I want to see Gambit's replay for my campaign^^
20100322 21:11:01< Gambit> No MP replays.
20100322 21:11:23< Unnheulu_> humm gambit?
20100322 21:11:25< Gambit> *no just MP replays
20100322 21:11:29< Unnheulu_> oh
20100322 21:11:31< Unnheulu_> :/
20100322 21:11:43< Unnheulu_> didn't it used to include campaign replays or soemthing?
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20100322 21:20:24< artisticdude_> nick/ artisticdude
20100322 21:20:35< artisticdude_> sorry, put the slash in the wrong place
20100322 21:20:35< artisticdude_> sorry, put the slash in the wrong place
20100322 21:20:36< artisticdude_> sorry, put the slash in the wrong place
20100322 21:21:03< Unnheulu> ...
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20100322 21:44:30< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20100322 22:16:15< Gambit> wesbot: seen Aethaeryn?
20100322 22:16:15< wesbot> Gambit: Person, who 3d 16h ago used nick Aethaeryn, last spoke 2d 17h ago.  2d 17h ago as MikeJB was here and on the channels #wesnoth-dev and #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message: Quit: http://www.wesnoth.org/ <- Try this game.
20100322 22:19:24< Gambit> Interesting. I think Sapient and Aethaeryn are the same person and that he/they have been abducted by aliens.
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20100322 22:37:19< Gambit> Does wesnoth's third sun have a name?
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20100322 22:37:24< Gambit> And which of the suns is biggest
20100322 22:38:09< Gambit> nevermind there's only two suns I guess.
20100322 22:38:11< fendrin> Gambit: Third?
20100322 22:38:27< [Relic]> just fred and barney  :)
20100322 22:38:35< Gambit> Sorry I am reading the UTBS transcript and it mentions two suns at the begining and then later it mentions "another sun"
20100322 22:38:43< fendrin> Gambit: They have a name.
20100322 22:38:46< Gambit> I know.
20100322 22:38:51< Gambit> So sela was first?
20100322 22:39:26< fendrin> Gambit: I don't know. But if you find material about it, please let me know.
20100322 22:39:40< Gambit> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/CampaignDialogue:UTBS
20100322 22:40:04< Gambit> It lists Naia as the artificial sun.
20100322 22:40:16< Gambit> So I'm naming the solar system after Sela.
20100322 22:40:38< fendrin> Selasystem?
20100322 22:40:55< Gambit> The Sela system.
20100322 22:41:00< Gambit> or just Sela
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20100322 22:42:26< Gambit> No lore on other planets except for Gammac B.
20100322 22:43:14< Gambit> Though I guess that means there would be a Gammac A in the system
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20100322 22:49:04< Gambit> Hopefully Aetheryn will have more info.
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20100322 23:01:33< Gambit> fendrin: Apparently Irdya has an unnamed moon as well.
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20100322 23:02:27< fendrin> Gambit: Maybe it's called moon? Does our moon have a name beside the name moon? Which is also a class of stellar objects.
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