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20100328 00:33:34< [Wesnothing]> Anyone know about the MP Campaign "Troubled Times" ?
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20100328 03:50:37< Gambit> cavestory level 3 MG acts as levetation device... :s
20100328 03:50:39< Gambit> flipping sweet
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20100328 04:06:54< HanSolo> I swear I saw a spider that looked like the Cave spider.
20100328 04:07:04< HanSolo> The new one
20100328 04:07:05< HanSolo> where the fuck is it it has t odie
20100328 04:07:37< shadowmaster> um?
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20100328 04:09:05< HanSolo> There's a spider crawling around that reminds me of the 1.8 Cave Spider.
20100328 04:09:09< HanSolo> It must die.
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20100328 04:10:53< Gambit> I was so excited about having a puppy that I saved without noticing I only had one hp
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20100328 04:12:17< shadowmaster> you can have puppies?
20100328 04:12:34< shadowmaster> :P
20100328 04:12:52< shadowmaster> I didn't know that humans and dogs were compatible.
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20100328 04:20:02< Gambit> >_>
20100328 04:20:21< Gambit> okay that was mildly amusing.
20100328 04:20:25< Gambit> 1point
20100328 04:20:43< shadowmaster> I prefer commas
20100328 04:21:44< Gambit> The great philosopher Jagger said it best.
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20100328 08:01:51< landscape69> hi
20100328 08:04:02< landscape69> i am on inux and tried to compile on distro wesnoth 1.8 final. but i have problem to compile it because i am using boost-1_42. can someone confirm this problem? in the old 1.6.5 it compiled fine.
20100328 08:05:18< landscape69> this is the error log : http://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=225517&action=view 
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20100328 08:13:23< hagabaka> my screen resolution is 1024x768, and I run wesnoth in windowed mode. if I set the resolution to 1024x768 in wesnoth, then the bottom of story and dialogs will be cut off. I think this didn't use to be the case...
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20100328 08:16:08< landscape69> hagabaka: yes this problem i can confirm too, with the window wesnoth 1.8 
20100328 08:18:39< hagabaka> ok
20100328 08:25:12< hagabaka> it works well if I run "wesnoth -r 1024x700"
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20100328 11:30:54< Ivanovic> moin
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20100328 11:57:19< zenhoobbit> hello
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20100328 12:41:50-!- Topic for #wesnoth: Wesnoth User Channel | wesnoth.org | http://addons.wesnoth.org | latest stable version: 1.6.5 | latest development version: 1.7.15 aka 1.8-rc1 | public IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20100328 12:41:50-!- Topic set by Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] [Mon Mar 15 22:24:54 2010]
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20100328 12:41:50-!- Home page for #wesnoth: http://www.wesnoth.org
20100328 12:41:55-!- Channel #wesnoth created Sun Nov 26 07:42:43 2006
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20100328 13:32:25< tastor> Hi all. in the past a guy had supposedly ported a part of wesnoth functionality to python. I've been googling like crazy but can't see any code...
20100328 13:32:35< tastor> do you know where the repository is?
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20100328 13:47:19< Soliton> what exactly are you looking for?
20100328 13:47:52< Soliton> there's a wml parser in python if that's what you mean.
20100328 13:50:53< tastor> there was a big thread in the mailing list about a guy that was working on a complete rewrite...
20100328 13:51:05< tastor> https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-dev/2009-01/threads.html#00003
20100328 13:51:33< tastor> I could find even a link to a repository, but the link is dead
20100328 13:59:39< Soliton> nothing heard from him ever since.
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20100328 14:01:59< tastor> :-(
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20100328 14:06:17< Taldor> Is the wesnoth svn trunk stable enough to play?
20100328 14:09:12< fendrin> Taldor: yes
20100328 14:09:23< Taldor> ok, very good
20100328 14:31:44< Taldor> which way of installation in recommended? scons or cmake?
20100328 14:33:34 * Ivanovic prefers cmake
20100328 14:33:36< Ivanovic> ;)
20100328 14:34:17< Ivanovic> but both are currently maintained and both should work nicely
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20100328 14:35:53< Taldor> ok
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20100328 14:44:30< Gambit> Zarel: I got your joke, but I was taking your "not that more than one actually exists" as you admitting to believing in just one. That was *my* joke. :)
20100328 14:45:00< Jarkko> Gambit: Hello.
20100328 14:45:06< Gambit> Jarkko: Hi.
20100328 14:45:30< Jarkko> And how're you today?
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20100328 14:47:34< Gambit> Jarkko: I dunno. I just got up. You?
20100328 14:48:34< Gambit> Haha someone is drawing gaint maggots.
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20100328 14:49:46< Jarkko> Gambit: Just excellent. I just managed to get around a major story-wise gridlock and now the flood of words has been unleashed so, that it will destroy anything in it's path. :D
20100328 14:52:26< Jarkko> On the other hand... My brain's working badly for some reason, because I just forgot what was I supposed to do for the third time in a row... <_<;
20100328 14:55:20< Gambit> I'm playing cavestory
20100328 14:55:38< Gambit> and I'm saving after every few kills and reloading so the monsters respawn
20100328 14:55:39< Jarkko> It is a good game.
20100328 14:55:43< Gambit> so I can farm exp
20100328 14:55:52< Gambit> Then I can use my MG to fly up out of the laberynth.
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20100328 15:03:34< Gambit> oh of course... stuff moves now -_-
20100328 15:04:21< Gambit> heh didn't need to fly after all.
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20100328 15:11:07< Gambit> omg jetrels avatar is from cavestory
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20100328 15:56:00< Taldor> I goet this error when building whith cmake: cmake gives make[2]: *** There is no rule to make target '/usr/lib/liblua5.1.so', required for 'wesnoth'.  Stopped.
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20100328 16:15:25< Gambit> Taldor: You
20100328 16:15:31< Gambit> need liblua.
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20100328 16:18:39< Taldor> Gambit: I installed liblua-5.1.4
20100328 16:20:09< Taldor> Gambit: previously, when I tried building without having lua installed, I got a nicer massage that lua was missing
20100328 16:21:18< Jarkko> Hmm... I need an english word to describe a walking of a drunkard...
20100328 16:24:48< Gambit> stumbling.
20100328 16:25:08< Jarkko> Thanks. :D
20100328 16:29:10< Ivanovic> Taldor: make sure not to just install the runtime libs but also the development headers
20100328 16:29:22< Ivanovic> most distribuitions split those, so make sure to install liblua-dev
20100328 16:43:25< Taldor> Ivanovic: you mean the files like /usr/include/lualib.h ? I have those
20100328 16:43:47< Ivanovic> yes, those
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20100328 16:58:35< Taldor> scons could build things without a problem...
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20100328 17:00:17< Ivanovic> and you have rerun cmake after installing lua?
20100328 17:00:57< Taldor> Ivanovic: of course
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20100328 17:02:22< Ivanovic> probably something strange left in the cache, running ccmake . in the dir where you ran cmake might have shown where it found lua and if it has done so
20100328 17:02:45< Taldor> ok
20100328 17:07:32< Ivanovic> that is: where have you gotten the error before?
20100328 17:07:45< Ivanovic> you should have had an error already at cmake level when lua was not installed
20100328 17:20:17< Taldor> Ivanovic: yes I did, but afterwards I installed lua, and ran cmake again
20100328 17:20:40< Ivanovic> and this time cmake was satisfied that everything was there?
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20100328 17:27:49< Taldor> yes
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20100328 18:14:17-!- Topic for #wesnoth: Wesnoth User Channel | wesnoth.org | http://addons.wesnoth.org | latest stable version: 1.6.5 | latest development version: 1.7.15 aka 1.8-rc1 | public IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20100328 18:14:17-!- Topic set by Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] [Mon Mar 15 22:25:12 2010]
20100328 18:14:17[Users #wesnoth]
20100328 18:14:17[ ancestral ] [ fendrin  ] [ ilor        ] [ lukjad86    ] [ Queenie     ] [ unimatrix0    ] 
20100328 18:14:17[ AnMaster  ] [ FireFly  ] [ Ivanovic    ] [ MadMerlin3  ] [ retupmoca   ] [ Unnheulu      ] 
20100328 18:14:17[ apoi      ] [ fkhodkov ] [ iwaim_      ] [ martin__1   ] [ Rhonda      ] [ Vetinari      ] 
20100328 18:14:17[ Becquerel ] [ G-Lo     ] [ Jarkko      ] [ Mythological] [ rrix        ] [ vjoe          ] 
20100328 18:14:17[ dark      ] [ Gambit   ] [ JoePusdesris] [ namad7      ] [ Samwise     ] [ VurtualRuler98] 
20100328 18:14:17[ drry      ] [ grzybacz ] [ Johannes13  ] [ Nissarin    ] [ sevis       ] [ wesbot        ] 
20100328 18:14:17[ elias     ] [ grzywacz ] [ John_R      ] [ PARLIAMENT  ] [ shadowmaster] [ Xjs|moonshine ] 
20100328 18:14:17[ erl       ] [ happygrue] [ Kivi        ] [ phlaem      ] [ shikadibot  ] [ zookeeper     ] 
20100328 18:14:17[ ettin     ] [ harry1   ] [ law_        ] [ pokhbocee   ] [ Smar        ] 
20100328 18:14:17[ Euthanatos] [ Hellrider] [ lobby       ] [ qemqemqem_  ] [ Soliton     ] 
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20100328 18:14:18-!- Home page for #wesnoth: http://www.wesnoth.org
20100328 18:14:22-!- Channel #wesnoth created Sun Nov 26 07:42:43 2006
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20100328 18:45:24< Jarkko> Whoa...
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20100328 18:45:26< Gambit> That was nuts
20100328 18:45:29< Gambit> We all got our own rooms?
20100328 18:45:34< Gambit> Huge netsplit.
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20100328 19:22:34< Sacho> is there anyone on the dev server?
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20100328 19:23:04< Soliton> there is no dev server as of today.
20100328 19:23:33< Sacho> oh.
20100328 19:24:11< Sacho> only stable?
20100328 19:25:01< Soliton> also old stable aka 1.6 and trunk.
20100328 19:25:20< Sacho> ah
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20100328 19:25:33< Soliton> there will be a dev server again once 1.9 is out.
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20100328 19:25:42< Sacho> i see!
20100328 19:26:47< sevis> If I may ask... Why hasn't 1.8 been announced in any way? O_o
20100328 19:27:16< ancestral> It has been pre-announced April 1st
20100328 19:27:29< ancestral> But just in case everything melts down, ya know
20100328 19:27:54< ancestral> Sometimes things come a day late
20100328 19:28:21< ancestral> Okay, not everything is functional on the page, but I've made some progress: http://mproud.com/wesnoth/bestiary/elvish_marksman.html
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20100328 19:30:36< sevis> Errm. Okay.
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20100328 19:31:13< Gambit> It's an april fools joke.
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20100328 19:31:16< Gambit> :P
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20100328 19:34:05< sevis> His reply is, I understand that much. But why portage decided to have an april fool's joke a week early, while there is no announcement for the rest of the wesnoth community is rather confusing.
20100328 19:34:27< Gambit> This development cycle really excites me as almost all of the focus is on expanding WML and LUA.
20100328 19:35:27< Zerovirus> oh great you guys are having a code discussion that I can't partake in. -hides in corner-
20100328 19:35:38< Gambit> Not really.
20100328 19:36:22< Gambit> Zerovirus: How to beat the large coconut thinger?
20100328 19:36:29< Zerovirus> Aaaaanyways. I might just have to scrap any summer plans involving Wesnoth, fyi.
20100328 19:36:39< Zerovirus> The first core or the second undead core?
20100328 19:36:53< Gambit> That sounds like good news since your plans were to not do anything. :P
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20100328 19:37:19< Gambit> Scrapping your plans to do nothing, means you'll do something?
20100328 19:37:21< Gambit> :)
20100328 19:37:29< Zerovirus> The first core was friggin easy, just shoot forwards with polar star killing all projectiles.
20100328 19:37:41< Zerovirus> Eh, I was thinking I'd fix up Steelhive and maybe another faction.
20100328 19:37:54< Gambit> I'm in a dark room with dead robots and water.
20100328 19:38:02< Zerovirus> That's the first core.
20100328 19:38:15< Zerovirus> Shoot forwards with polar star
20100328 19:38:23 * Gambit gave up polar star
20100328 19:38:27< Zerovirus> If you still have it. Machinegun is a lot better actually.
20100328 19:38:36< Zerovirus> Because you can fly and the room tries to drown you occasioually.
20100328 19:38:55< Zerovirus> Also once in a while you hear a kinda "kapoom
20100328 19:38:58< Zerovirus> '" sound
20100328 19:39:17< Zerovirus> and there's three of them; jump over the huge hadoken blasts with machinegun
20100328 19:39:51< Gambit> also I have just about no health.
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20100328 19:39:53< Zerovirus> the boss is easy, you'll be pushing it back in no time. Just make sure you don't force it behind the back wall of the room, if that happens it can shoot you but you can't shoot it, so just retreat and it'll advance out into attackable area.
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20100328 19:40:11< Zerovirus> Lol. I entered the room with 2 HP because I wanted to save Curly and restarted.
20100328 19:40:17< Zerovirus> I won on my 5th attempt.
20100328 19:40:33< Zerovirus> Just get on a platform, keep shooting forwards, grab all the hearts while shooting anything flying at you
20100328 19:40:42< Zerovirus> Do you have booster?
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20100328 19:40:51< Gambit> Yes.
20100328 19:40:59< Zerovirus> And your machinegun's at lv3 hopefully.
20100328 19:41:05< Gambit> Yes.
20100328 19:41:30< Zerovirus> Good. With flying and the speed of the machinegun, you can kill like all of the projectiles being shot at you and claim any of the hearts.
20100328 19:41:40< Zerovirus> (a life pot would be helpful too :P)
20100328 19:42:04 * Gambit wasted that on Xbot I think.
20100328 19:42:13< Zerovirus> Are you doing this on your own or are you using a guide?
20100328 19:42:22< Gambit> my own
20100328 19:42:36< Zerovirus> Ah... Won't spoil anything much then.
20100328 19:42:49< Zerovirus> But after you finish go and read a guide and you'll find tons of secrets you missed.
20100328 19:43:50< Zerovirus> Stay on the platform, keep shooting forwards, in emergencies do a flyup and dodge everything while shooting down, jump over hadokens, kill the coconut when its eyes open. You'll be fine.
20100328 19:44:08< Gambit> D: I ran out of air and she sacrificed herself :'(
20100328 19:44:36< Zerovirus> Yeah... You can save her yannow. How was the battle? Was it easy? :P
20100328 19:44:57< Gambit> How do I save her?
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20100328 19:45:33< Zerovirus> A combination of secrets that allows you to access a secret area after you win the game called Running Hell as well as the ultimate hardest super evil three-stage boss at the end.
20100328 19:45:38< Zerovirus> In otherwords, spoilers.
20100328 19:45:50< Gambit> oh so I don't save her now?
20100328 19:45:50< Zerovirus> Which is why you should play the game multiple times.
20100328 19:46:11< Zerovirus> You can't save her now, unfortunately. When I realized this I ragequit and restarted from the beginning so I could save her :D
20100328 19:46:13< Zerovirus> Totally worth it
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20100328 19:46:26< Zerovirus> And once you leave the room the door locks... :'(
20100328 19:47:09< Zerovirus> (You never answered my question. How was the battle? Did you die at all?)
20100328 19:47:34< Gambit> I died once earlier.
20100328 19:50:32< Zerovirus> And then... The waterway. In which you wil hit spikes. A lot.
20100328 19:50:32< Zerovirus> Great now I want to load my waterway save and fight Ironhead again. :P
20100328 19:50:33< Gambit> and now I'm stuck in a loop of water..
20100328 19:54:31< Gambit> It's a fun game. I might even have a reason to touch the Wii now :o
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20100328 20:10:48< Unnheulu> IftU isn't mainline?...
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20100328 20:26:24< PARLIAMENT> youre not supposed to be able to save curly from dying
20100328 20:26:41< PARLIAMENT> she has to die but you lug her out of there and fix her
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20100328 20:34:32< Unnheulu> Can I ask
20100328 20:34:43< Unnheulu> What race was haldric fighting on the green isle?
20100328 20:34:52< Unnheulu> was it elf or dwarf?
20100328 20:35:02< zookeeper> neither
20100328 20:35:08< Unnheulu> or unknown to history?
20100328 20:35:12< Unnheulu> or drake?
20100328 20:35:43< Unnheulu> orcs
20100328 20:35:45< Unnheulu> ?
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20100328 21:45:20< Aethaeryn> Unnheulu: wesfolk = humans + undead
20100328 21:45:28< Unnheulu> kay
20100328 21:45:30< Unnheulu> wait
20100328 21:45:36< Aethaeryn> you can tell which are which
20100328 21:45:37< Unnheulu> so there were already humans in wesnoth?
20100328 21:45:52< Aethaeryn> Green Isle != Wesnoth
20100328 21:45:59< Unnheulu> kay
20100328 21:46:10< Unnheulu> there were already humans on the green isle before haldric?
20100328 21:46:30< Aethaeryn> No. The Wesfolk came to the Green Isle. Haldric's people were the "original"
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20100328 21:46:43< Unnheulu> oh
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20100328 21:46:44< Aethaeryn> And there was a war and stuff, Wesfolk started losing so they had a portal to call in the orcz
20100328 21:46:49< Aethaeryn> Read the story pls.
20100328 21:46:50< Unnheulu> so haldric was already there?
20100328 21:46:54< Unnheulu> where is the story?
20100328 21:46:58< Unnheulu> I was looking for that^^
20100328 21:47:12< Aethaeryn> that stuff you skip before/between every scenario :P
20100328 21:47:36< Aethaeryn> also probably on the wiki somewhere
20100328 21:47:40< Unnheulu> :P
20100328 21:47:45< Unnheulu> Which campaign then? :P
20100328 21:47:52< Aethaeryn> The Rise of Wesnoth
20100328 21:47:56< Unnheulu> uurgh
20100328 21:47:58< Unnheulu> isn't that hard?
20100328 21:48:01< Unnheulu> and I'm crap :D
20100328 21:48:08< Aethaeryn> Subjective.
20100328 21:48:17< Unnheulu> humm
20100328 21:48:28< Aethaeryn> Use debug mode if you really just want to play it for the story, but be warned: it's a crutch that is hard to escape from if you use it.
20100328 21:48:36< Unnheulu> I know...
20100328 21:48:39< Aethaeryn> When I was a newbie I tended to just debug myself extra gold.
20100328 21:48:44< Unnheulu> that's why I quit before, cause of overuse
20100328 21:48:45< Aethaeryn> Cheating, but with ethics.
20100328 21:48:53< Unnheulu> I was going through UtBS on debug >.<
20100328 21:49:22< Aethaeryn> Because really, the one area I screwed up on was gold management, any campaign is easy if you give yourself extra gold every time you're low.
20100328 21:49:29< Unnheulu> humm
20100328 21:49:35< Unnheulu> I can't recruit properly :/
20100328 21:49:37< Aethaeryn> Not really necessary in Northern Rebirth though ;)
20100328 21:49:45< Aethaeryn> Unnheulu: Play MP.
20100328 21:49:53< Aethaeryn> Then singleplayer will be a joke. Seriously.
20100328 21:49:56< Unnheulu> kay
20100328 21:50:00< Unnheulu> northern rebirth^^
20100328 21:50:04< Unnheulu> peasant spam!
20100328 21:50:19< Aethaeryn> yup
20100328 21:50:52< Unnheulu> although (I'm only on scenario 2 :/) DiD is a bit of low level spam so far
20100328 21:51:32< Aethaeryn> hah
20100328 21:51:39< Unnheulu> about mp, I guess I should upgrade from 1.7.13, but i hate scons :D
20100328 21:51:42< Aethaeryn> Yeah, NR and DiD begin with lvl 0 spam if you don't go deep in them.
20100328 21:51:49< Aethaeryn> Also, scons is awesome.
20100328 21:51:57< Unnheulu> meh too complicated for me :D
20100328 21:52:01< Unnheulu> autotools was simple
20100328 21:52:03< Aethaeryn> Scons?
20100328 21:52:06< Aethaeryn> Scons is the simplest.
20100328 21:52:16< Aethaeryn> And imo quickest.
20100328 21:52:28< Unnheulu> maybe quick, but the commands are weird
20100328 21:52:50< Aethaeryn> yeah, the custom flags/tags/whatever are a little non-intuitive
20100328 21:52:58< Aethaeryn> But I just have it saved on a textfile...
20100328 21:53:46< Unnheulu> I have .14 on my desktop but I can't get scons to work
20100328 21:53:58< Unnheulu> >.<
20100328 21:54:07< Aethaeryn> If you're not missing a dependency, there shouldn't be any problems.
20100328 21:54:27< Aethaeryn> Compiling is pretty simple except for the initial phase.
20100328 21:54:38< Aethaeryn> So put another way, *recompiling* (and updating) is simple.
20100328 21:54:48< Unnheulu> its the updating thats the problem
20100328 21:55:01< Unnheulu> I know its not dependencies cause wesnoth is (afaik) on feature freeze
20100328 21:55:50< Aethaeryn> Eh, I just use svn.
20100328 21:56:07< Unnheulu> humm
20100328 21:56:15< Aethaeryn> Saves bandwith, and all you really need to do is know which tagged revision to update if you care about having the actual development release and not a subversion.
20100328 21:56:37< Unnheulu> I'm not a dev though^_^
20100328 21:56:40< Aethaeryn> I've been doing it for so long though it's hard for me to explain it, you'd best wait for Gambit to write the promised guide.
20100328 21:56:50< Unnheulu> ooooh
20100328 21:56:53< Aethaeryn> And no, SVN isn't just for devs. Anyone can have a read-only checkout.
20100328 21:56:59< Unnheulu> sounds like the promised land, sounds good
20100328 21:57:12< Unnheulu> I know anyone can, but, I don't see the point when its usually more buggy
20100328 21:57:21< Unnheulu> *usually* before you rant :D
20100328 21:57:23< Aethaeryn> I do it because (1) xdeltas iirc were abandonned, and are a bit messier, (2) downloading huge releases every time is bad for internet and hard drive.
20100328 21:57:33< Aethaeryn> Eh...
20100328 21:57:38< Unnheulu> bad for harddrive...
20100328 21:57:43< Aethaeryn> As I've said, you can upgrade from 1.7.13 to 1.7.14 through svn
20100328 21:57:46< Unnheulu> ok
20100328 21:58:12< Aethaeryn> And yeah, any physical medium wears down over time... Downloading hundreds of megabytes, extracting, and then deleting the original compressed file, can't be good in the long run.
20100328 21:58:19< Unnheulu> my old partition has 173mb free left or something, and I have to insta delete stuff cause there isn't enough room to move the trashbin
20100328 21:58:25< Aethaeryn> And not deleting/cleaning-up kills space.
20100328 21:58:56< Unnheulu> ok
20100328 21:58:57< Unnheulu> hmm
20100328 21:59:00< Unnheulu> I'll try it
20100328 21:59:09< Unnheulu> (aargh that should've been on one line >.>)
20100328 21:59:16< Aethaeryn> Anyway, the way I have it set up is so I can have three Wesnoths installed, all through SVN and updating through it so I don't redownload the whole thing over again but rather only the differences between them:
20100328 21:59:35< Aethaeryn> stable, development, and trunk (the term for the in-between development releases, or subversions... what SVN is most commonly used for)
20100328 21:59:57< Aethaeryn> And that's where scons (and probably all compiling) shines: when you only recompile the differences, not the whole thing.
20100328 22:00:11< Aethaeryn> It's not just bandwith saved, it's compile time.
20100328 22:00:37< Unnheulu> wait, you don't need to recompile the whole thing?
20100328 22:00:49< Aethaeryn> Only the changed bits.
20100328 22:01:00< Unnheulu> wow
20100328 22:01:03< Unnheulu> where do i sign up! :P
20100328 22:01:03< Aethaeryn> But I know how to do it only if you do it via SVN.
20100328 22:01:24< Aethaeryn> Sign up when Gambit explains it 'cause I don't have enough time to work out what I've been doing for over a year.
20100328 22:01:30< Unnheulu> :D
20100328 22:01:30< Aethaeryn> As I've said, this is a lot harder to set up than maintain.
20100328 22:01:36< Unnheulu> Is the svn link in the wiki?
20100328 22:01:37< Aethaeryn> Really easy to just run two lines every now and then.
20100328 22:02:08< Aethaeryn> There's SVN in the wiki, and I suppose you can ask in #Wesnoth-dev if you have questions with SVN
20100328 22:02:19< Aethaeryn> But I have to go study now, so I can't stay talking. Exam tomorrow.
20100328 22:02:30< Unnheulu> ok :P
20100328 22:02:31 * Sacho really needs to look into the development tools
20100328 22:02:40< Unnheulu> I know subversion, I use svn for a different game
20100328 22:02:50< Unnheulu> so hopefully no trouble
20100328 22:02:52< Unnheulu> Good luck!
20100328 22:04:37< Aethaeryn> oh, one more thing.
20100328 22:04:59< Aethaeryn> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/ <- this is how you can tell which revision to update to to get the latest version.
20100328 22:05:07< Unnheulu> >.>
20100328 22:05:26< Unnheulu> I just copied the version on the wiki, hoping it was right :D
20100328 22:05:45< Aethaeryn> you do "svn up -r 41741" (or whatever number is there as the latest release) instead of "svn up" to upgrade between 
20100328 22:06:00< Aethaeryn> if you want to deal with MP, since subversions are buggier and incompatible with MP
20100328 22:06:01< Unnheulu> do you?
20100328 22:06:07< Unnheulu> ok
20100328 22:06:18< Unnheulu> so on svn I can't access mp? :/
20100328 22:06:23< Unnheulu> DOH!
20100328 22:06:28< Aethaeryn> You can, but only if you pick the right revision
20100328 22:06:34< Unnheulu> aaargh
20100328 22:06:39< Unnheulu> so the current revision I can't
20100328 22:06:49< Aethaeryn> (You can also trick the game into thinking you have the right revision, but that is tricker and could cause bugs in play)
20100328 22:06:58< Aethaeryn> Don't worry: you can downgrade with "svn up"
20100328 22:07:04< Unnheulu> ok
20100328 22:07:06< Unnheulu> hmm
20100328 22:07:06< Aethaeryn> despite the implied function of its name.
20100328 22:07:13< Unnheulu> svn up -r 1
20100328 22:07:47< Unnheulu> and then that'll edit the files as needed, kay thanks!
20100328 22:07:55< Unnheulu> Good luck!
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20100328 23:55:13< Gambit> Was tab complete removed from the new lobby?
20100328 23:56:31< Soliton> no, it was never implemented there.
20100328 23:59:55< Blarumyrran> The "ok" and "cancel" are really counterintuitive on the ingame add-on-downloading window
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