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20100408 00:42:36< fakedrake> hi all
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20100408 01:14:48< nagbot> Hello!
20100408 01:14:49< nagbot> Attention all potential GSoC students:
20100408 01:14:50< nagbot> Please do not forget to submit your application to Google!
20100408 01:14:51< nagbot> http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010
20100408 01:14:52< nagbot> You need to do this until Apr 9th, 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST)
20100408 01:14:53< nagbot> you can still finetune and talk to us about your application after submitting it to google. But, this is just to make sure that you *can* be selected at the end!
20100408 01:14:54< nagbot> Only people listed there can be selected!
20100408 01:14:55< nagbot> Submit patches and prototypes for review, so we'll see how you work.
20100408 01:14:56< nagbot> Join the IRC discussions.
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20100408 01:43:24< lfernando> noy, happygrue
20100408 01:43:32< lfernando> are you logging in tomorrow?
20100408 01:43:51< noy__> umm
20100408 01:43:52< noy__> maybe
20100408 01:43:59< happygrue> lfernando: I'll be around on and off tomorrow
20100408 01:44:23< noy__> what do you want?
20100408 01:44:45< lfernando> I'm working on the persistent storage proposal
20100408 01:46:03< lfernando> Crab said you had uses for the idea
20100408 01:46:28< lfernando> and I wanted to discuss some of them
20100408 01:46:38< lfernando> especially the server 
20100408 01:46:51< lfernando> the one about storing data on a MP server
20100408 01:46:57< lfernando> and passing it on
20100408 01:46:57< noy__> right?
20100408 01:47:15< lfernando> to another games
20100408 01:47:31< noy__> I am familiar with the overall proposal... how can we help you?
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20100408 01:50:58-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: GSoC: proposals are to be submitted to Google before 9th April 19:00 UTC. Also, when your wiki page is ready, ask us to review it. | 83 bugs, 262 feature requests, 16 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20100408 02:46:31< pokhbocee> hey guys
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20100408 03:19:18< shadowmaster> I'm starting to like Python just a tiny bit.
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20100408 03:19:50< shadowmaster> I fear that this could be the effect of some drug in my food :/
20100408 03:23:26< Blarumyrran> Python poison
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20100408 05:40:15< fakedrake> AI0867: hello! are u there?
20100408 05:40:38< shadowmaster> he hasn't yet answered my PM, so I guess not
20100408 05:40:59< shadowmaster> (I sent it like 8 hrs ago)
20100408 05:41:35< shadowmaster> oh, hi AI0867! I didn't notice you replied!: P
20100408 05:41:56< AI0867> fakedrake: yes
20100408 05:42:11< shadowmaster> maybe I should find a way to make irssi list highlighted windows at the start of the window list
20100408 05:42:30< fakedrake> \:D
20100408 05:42:52< fakedrake> Crab told me u developed the preprocessor or sth like that
20100408 05:43:04< shadowmaster> off to bed now, see you people
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20100408 05:43:10< fakedrake> bb
20100408 05:44:06< AI0867> that's silene, but depending on what you want to know, I could be able to help
20100408 05:45:06< fakedrake> AI0867: he also redirected me to a certain group of devs that i dont recall without looking at the log to propose shifting lightly the syntax of WML
20100408 05:45:47< fakedrake> so it would be easier(if not made possible) to resolve the traceback degugging issue with the quoted strings
20100408 05:46:16< fakedrake> where u remove a quote or add one and the error appears on a "random" place in the file
20100408 05:46:51< fakedrake> i though you might be the right person since u came up
20100408 05:47:32< AI0867> I'm not aware which issue you're referring to
20100408 05:48:10< fakedrake> well it was not really reported that much but there was some movement towards fixing it, the deal is this
20100408 05:50:44< fakedrake> if u have the piece of code {SET_UNIT_NAME "Josua} \n [sometag] \n.... \n[/sometag]\n [someothertag]\n ...\n filepath="~/foo/bar.ogg"\n[someothertag] EOF
20100408 05:51:30< fakedrake> the writer missed or removed mistakenly the quotes at the first line
20100408 05:51:51< fakedrake> but will get an unclosed quotes error near the end of file
20100408 05:51:55< AI0867> I'm missing a }
20100408 05:52:10< AI0867> " also
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20100408 05:52:45< AI0867> yes, you'll get a missing quotes error, because that's the first thing the preprocessor misses
20100408 05:53:09< AI0867> a } is allowed in a string, so the string will continue until the ~/foo/bar.ogg...
20100408 05:53:27< fakedrake> yeah i know that it is logical
20100408 05:53:27< AI0867> that will be appended, and another string will begin
20100408 05:53:31< AI0867> which isn't terminated
20100408 05:53:38< fakedrake> but it is not very practical
20100408 05:53:44< AI0867> how so?
20100408 05:54:08< fakedrake> if u have a 200 line cfg file u have to check the whole thing
20100408 05:55:03< fakedrake> it was discussed to find a way around that
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20100408 05:55:09< AI0867> true, but I don't see a better solution
20100408 05:55:26< AI0867> an editor with syntax highlighting will show you the issue
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20100408 05:57:49< fakedrake> i was thinking that we might get around it by patching the preproc so that insetain situations(by setting debug mode or sth) a quoted string has to be in one line
20100408 05:58:16< fakedrake> and add an explicit line merging character
20100408 05:58:26< fakedrake> like its done in python with the slash
20100408 05:58:33< fakedrake> (or backslash i dont remember
20100408 05:58:34< AI0867> backslash
20100408 05:59:01< AI0867> the moment you set that mode though, everything will fail
20100408 05:59:08< AI0867> most unit descriptions are multi-line
20100408 05:59:23< AI0867> campaigns have storytxt with multiple lines
20100408 06:00:28< fakedrake> i thought two ways around that, one is the obvious of making a script to fix it
20100408 06:01:18< fakedrake> the other is to use defines to set and unset the mode
20100408 06:01:22< AI0867> wmllint might be able to do it
20100408 06:01:33< AI0867> but this looks like a bad idea to me
20100408 06:01:40< AI0867> altering the very syntax of WML
20100408 06:02:13< AI0867> I'm off
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20100408 06:02:57< fakedrake> ok
20100408 06:03:01< fakedrake> cya
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20100408 06:14:48< nagbot> Hello from your friendly bot!
20100408 06:14:49< nagbot> Attention all potential GSoC students:
20100408 06:14:50< nagbot> Register your proposal with Google
20100408 06:14:51< nagbot> http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010
20100408 06:14:52< nagbot> The deadline is coming - application period closes at Apr 9th, 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST)
20100408 06:14:53< nagbot> you can still improve afterwards, but how wonderful your proposal is, if not in google's database we can't accept it
20100408 06:14:54< nagbot> Only people listed there can be selected!
20100408 06:14:55< nagbot> Please submit patches and prototypes so we can see your ideas in action. 
20100408 06:14:56< nagbot> Discuss your ideas here - get important feedback from developers
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20100408 07:11:10< Soliton> did someone kill wesnothd-1.6/8 3 hours ago?
20100408 07:14:20< k23z__> me
20100408 07:14:26< k23z__> with my bare hands
20100408 07:14:31< k23z__> and a toothpick
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20100408 07:27:45< CIA-64> soliton * r42051 /branches/1.8/po/ (4 files in 4 dirs): removed translation notes from translated strings
20100408 07:28:09< CIA-64> soliton * r42052 /trunk/src/server/server.cpp: remove excessive whitespace from the beginning of queries, too
20100408 07:28:16< CIA-64> soliton * r42053 /trunk/po/ (5 files in 4 dirs): removed translation notes from translated strings
20100408 07:28:36< Sirp> shadowmaster: Python is okay
20100408 07:28:42< Sirp> (from before)
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20100408 07:44:34< timotei21> morning everyone
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20100408 07:49:32< timotei21> do you know how much it takes gna.org to update a ssh key?
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20100408 07:50:58-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: GSoC: proposals are to be submitted to Google before 9th April 19:00 UTC. Also, when your wiki page is ready, ask us to review it. | 84 bugs, 262 feature requests, 16 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20100408 07:58:40< Sirp> timotei21: it is meant to do it every hour, on the hour.
20100408 07:59:15< timotei21> oh, ok
20100408 07:59:34< timotei21> I've generated last night a key with puttygen, and today morning, the server refuses the key
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20100408 08:09:28< timotei21> do I need to run in background any ..ssh/putty agent?
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20100408 10:35:21< Shuger> hi
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20100408 10:38:15< Crab_> hi, Shuger
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20100408 10:42:19< Upthorn> hi Crab_. sorry I didn't answer your question earlier -- I was in class and didn't disconnect (I also stay out late after class on wednesdays, so I just got home).
20100408 10:42:32< Upthorn> <Crab_> Upthorn: why do you think that it might be a good idea to associate persistence data with a side, in your proposed syntax of persistence.cfg ?
20100408 10:43:28< noy> post bar development...
20100408 10:43:30< Upthorn> the idea is that the [side][/side] tags just enclose the persistent variables that are associated with the side
20100408 10:43:33< noy> fun times
20100408 10:44:00< Crab_> Upthorn:the idea is clear. but the question is, why accociate persistence info with a side, in persistence data ?
20100408 10:44:15< Crab_> e.g., even in the same campaign, the same player can play as different side numbers
20100408 10:44:22< Upthorn> I thought it would be good to have all the variables associated with a side stored together, so that it is easy to know from the persistence data which side any given variable is associated with
20100408 10:44:49< Crab_> we need side in get_ and set_, because we need to 'select' one of the 'wesnoth clients' which take part in a game
20100408 10:45:38< Crab_> but, for a particular client, in one of persistence files, do we really need the information about 'side' ?
20100408 10:46:05< Upthorn> well, for instance, if you want to keep track of the player's and the enemy's ending gold total
20100408 10:47:05< Upthorn> since there's already syntax to associate variables with sides for multiplayer, this way allows single player campaigns to take advantage of it if they want
20100408 10:48:01< Crab_> then, the author can either save them into ending_gold1 and ending_gold2 variables in his selected namespace, or into a 'ending_gold' variable which'll be an array
20100408 10:49:15< Crab_> that syntax which is used to 'associate variables with sides for multiplayer' is needed to get/set a variable to/from a particular host
20100408 10:49:26< Upthorn> yes, but since it is there
20100408 10:49:55< Upthorn> or rather will be there, why not allow single player to use it as well?
20100408 10:50:17< Crab_> why will sp need to use it ?
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20100408 10:50:31< Upthorn> well they wouldn't need to use it, but it might be easier?
20100408 10:50:48< Crab_> or, more specifically, why would a particular host need to use it when storing its own variables ?
20100408 10:50:54< Crab_> e.g., let me show an example
20100408 10:51:09< Upthorn> okay, here is a question
20100408 10:51:24< Upthorn> can a side change meanings in the same scenario?
20100408 10:51:46< Upthorn> like, in multiplayer, can side1 be humans one time, and undead the next?
20100408 10:52:11< Crab_> nothing prevents this, SP persistence is tracked by save_id
20100408 10:52:18< Crab_> usually, side 1 is player in SP
20100408 10:53:00< Ivanovic> moiun
20100408 10:53:06< Crab_> hi, Ivanovic
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20100408 10:53:20< Ivanovic> argh. too early for me, can't even type 'moin'...
20100408 10:53:55< Crab_> and most MP scenarios are side-independent, e.g. if you have a MP map which has persistent gold, and 8 sides can play the map,  you can join a game as side 3, play. then play another time as side 5, and you'd still want to have your 'persistent gold' with you.
20100408 10:54:43< Crab_> and, if you add a 'side' qualifier to persistence data, you'd need to specify two side numbers to get it in MP
20100408 10:55:07< Crab_> one side number to specify a partucilar host, and another side number to specify a particular side qualifier
20100408 10:55:25< Upthorn> No. It uses the same side number as it does host number
20100408 10:55:54< Upthorn> This is a misunderstanding I had about how I thought you wanted things to work.
20100408 10:56:14< Crab_> well, no, if we add side= to storage, then we might want to refer to a particular SP persistent variable, which can be 'associated' with any side number
20100408 10:57:09< Crab_> e.g., if we want to know, in MP campaign, 'how much gold did the player now playing as side 5, collected, while playing as side 2 of LoW campaign ?'
20100408 10:57:20< Upthorn> I see
20100408 10:57:29< Crab_> so, if we accept your idea of an additional qualifier, we'll have two side numbers.
20100408 10:57:31< Upthorn> yes, I had not considered this.
20100408 10:57:43< Crab_> this is, IMO, unnecessary - basically, it's better to use namespaces for this
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20100408 10:58:01< Upthorn> I have also very much misunderstood the way things were expected to work
20100408 10:58:10< Upthorn> you are correct that it is a bad idea.
20100408 10:58:20< Crab_> e.g., if we want a separate namespace for each side in this scenario, then why not just use namespace=my_scenario.1 and namespace=my_scenario.2 ?
20100408 10:58:35< Upthorn> I thought that this was the idea you suggested, but I see now that I greatly misunderstood.
20100408 10:59:05< Crab_> ok, good, so, now you understand things better ? or, there's still questions ?
20100408 10:59:19< Upthorn> Now I understand things better.
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20100408 10:59:54< Upthorn> Sirp was also looking for me earlier, but did not ask a question.
20100408 11:00:07< Upthorn> except whether or not I was around
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20100408 11:00:35< Upthorn> He seems to be idle now, however.
20100408 11:01:39< Upthorn> Sirp: if you read the logs, what did you wish to ask me about earlier? was it the [side] tag I proposed on the wiki? If so, I have discussed it with crab and reached the conclusion that it is a bad idea.
20100408 11:03:33< Crab_> Upthorn: also see the slightly updated syntax for load_ and save_
20100408 11:03:48< Crab_> Upthorn: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC_Ideas_Persistent_Gameworld#WML_Syntax
20100408 11:04:19< Crab_> s/load/get s/save/set
20100408 11:04:46< Upthorn> I am quite certain I changed to get and set on my wiki page, but I see it is at load and save now.
20100408 11:05:27< Upthorn> I must have accidentally closed the edit page without saving chages when I did that
20100408 11:09:11< Upthorn> Crab_: I have corrected load and save to get and set, as well as updating the cfg structure proposal.
20100408 11:09:25< Upthorn> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeProposal_JodyNorthup#Include_as_much_technical_detail_about_your_implementation_as_you_can
20100408 11:09:28< Crab_> ok. also note (about persistence storage format) that, most likely, in the final part of the project, we'll need to add a optional dependency on some kind of key-value database, for the gamemaster to use
20100408 11:10:25< Upthorn> I replaced the [side][/side] suggestion with a new thing that sections into [global][/global] and [player][/player]
20100408 11:11:41< Upthorn> this way the client knows what it can and cannot send the server
20100408 11:12:29< Crab_> you want to keep some stuff strictly SP ?
20100408 11:13:04< Upthorn> No. but [global][/global] can't be looked at during mp, except by the hoste
20100408 11:13:06< Upthorn> -e
20100408 11:14:48< nagbot> Time for a small public service announcement
20100408 11:14:49< nagbot> GSoC 2010 candidates:
20100408 11:14:50< nagbot> Tell Google about your application!
20100408 11:14:51< nagbot> http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010
20100408 11:14:52< nagbot> The deadline is coming - application period closes at Apr 9th, 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST)
20100408 11:14:53< nagbot> you can still finetune and talk to us about your application after submitting it to google. But, this is just to make sure that you *can* be selected at the end!
20100408 11:14:54< nagbot> You have been warned.
20100408 11:14:55< nagbot> The more good patches you submit, the better
20100408 11:14:56< nagbot> Discuss your ideas here - get important feedback from developers
20100408 11:14:58< Crab_> Upthorn: what are the advantages ?
20100408 11:15:24< Upthorn> readability.
20100408 11:15:50< Upthorn> maybe it is too early to worry about that
20100408 11:17:56< Crab_> readability of what ?
20100408 11:18:11< Crab_> note that the setter of the variable cannot know about all the possible getters
20100408 11:18:21< Crab_> so, when we set the variable, we cannot know how it will be used
20100408 11:18:44< Upthorn> well you can set it to side=global, or not
20100408 11:18:45< Crab_> so, setting a variable to [global] or [local] is a speculation about future potential usage
20100408 11:19:07< Crab_> 'side=global' is also to 'find out which host should store it'
20100408 11:20:57< Crab_> note that the host can change during the game
20100408 11:21:03< Upthorn> okay. It sounds like it is too early for me to be worrying about these details.
20100408 11:21:34< Upthorn> so I will remove that and leave it as "just a collection of variables, possible further structure to come)
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20100408 11:21:40< Crab_> ok
20100408 11:22:50< Shuger> in wml, if i would like to use 2d coordinates should i always use separate variables for x and y or is there some standard way of definitng 2d vectors/points?
20100408 11:23:10< Upthorn> I have just noticed a tendency, which is perhaps bad, that when I remove something, I feel like I should replace it with something better
20100408 11:23:50< Upthorn> Sometimes it is best just to remove it and not put anything where it was.
20100408 11:25:10< Upthorn> I will pay more attention in the future to make sure I don't put something back when I shouldn't.
20100408 11:25:20< Crab_> Shuger: x,y=15,12     can work in many places
20100408 11:25:42< Crab_> Upthorn: well, I have a tendency to overengineer things, too :)
20100408 11:25:58< Upthorn> that makes me feel better.
20100408 11:26:44< Shuger> Crab_, is it just normal lua multiple assigment or some wml specific thing?
20100408 11:26:55< Ivanovic> JustasJ, gabba, fakedrake, endercoaster, Greywhind, Abion47, Iskander, awilkins, Bdorf, billynux, ctrlfreak, Dakmor, Darkas, schumi, Hagaren, Upthorn, lfernando, LucaMoller, pokhbocee, RandomDragon, Theodore, aranair, orfest, Salwan, timotei, titouu: please do make sure that your GSoC proposal is submitted to google
20100408 11:27:14< Ivanovic> at the moment only 12 proposals are listed for us at google, so many of you most likely have *not* submitted their proposal
20100408 11:27:44< Ivanovic> if you want to participate in GSoC as a student for Wesnoth, do make sure that your proposal is submitted at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/home/google/gsoc2010
20100408 11:28:07< Upthorn> I have submitted, although I'm not totally sure that mine can be read by anyone besides me
20100408 11:28:31< Upthorn> it is at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_proposal/show/google/gsoc2010/upthorn/t127026899399 if a mentor would like to verify that it is accessible
20100408 11:28:51< Shuger> Ivanovic, does while questionaire needs to be included in google form, or can i just link to wesnoth wiki page?
20100408 11:29:07< Ivanovic> Shuger: just leave a short summary at google and the link to your wiki page
20100408 11:29:11< Ivanovic> that is perfectly fine
20100408 11:29:24< Ivanovic> Upthorn: your proposal is online
20100408 11:29:25< Shuger> ok, thanks :)
20100408 11:30:08< Upthorn> great, thanks.
20100408 11:30:10< Ivanovic> Upthorn: this list was basically just a "take all nicks from users that created a wiki page and make sure that they are highlighted in case they are around"
20100408 11:30:22< Upthorn> I know
20100408 11:30:34< Ivanovic> just making sure that they see this if they missed the messages from nagbot
20100408 11:30:40< Upthorn> but, since I wasn't sure
20100408 11:30:49< Upthorn> I thought it was a good time to make sure
20100408 11:31:30< Ivanovic> it is there, so you are all good regarding this (important) formalia
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20100408 11:33:49< Ivanovic> Darkas: since you are a possible SoC student, too (and were not around 5mins ago): please make sure that your proposal is submitted to google
20100408 11:34:06< Ivanovic> (for more information about this, have a look at the frequent nagbot messages)
20100408 11:34:59< Upthorn> Darkas: or see [02:27:41] <Ivanovic> if you want to participate in GSoC as a student for Wesnoth, do make sure that your proposal is submitted at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/home/google/gsoc2010
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20100408 12:28:11< Ivanovic> JustasJ , gabba , gabba , fakedrake , endercoaster , Greywhind , Abion47 , Iskander , awilkins , Bdorf , billynux , ctrlfreak, ctrlfreak_ , Dakmor, Dakmor_, Dakmor_Z , Darkas , schumi , Hagaren , Upthorn, Upth , lfernando , LucaMoller , pokhbocee , RandomDragon , Theodore , aranair , orfest , Salwan , timotei, timotei21 , titouu, titoou: i went through all submitted proposals and linked the proposals in your wiki pages
20100408 12:28:31< billynux> Thanks Ivanovic 
20100408 12:28:39< Ivanovic> all student pages in this overview, that do *not* have something listed in the "soc application" area are *NOT* submitted to google so far!
20100408 12:28:48< Ivanovic> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeStudents_IRC#Table
20100408 12:29:05< billynux> and hi Ivanovic, Crab_ 
20100408 12:29:11< billynux> I just updated my proposal
20100408 12:29:31< Ivanovic> JustasJ , gabba , gabba , fakedrake , endercoaster , Greywhind , Abion47 , Iskander , awilkins , Bdorf , billynux , ctrlfreak, ctrlfreak_ , Dakmor, Dakmor_, Dakmor_Z , Darkas , schumi , Hagaren , Upthorn, Upth , lfernando , LucaMoller , pokhbocee , RandomDragon , Theodore , aranair , orfest , Salwan , timotei, timotei21 , titouu, titoou: please do make sure to submit your proposal to google, you only have a little more than 24h left!
20100408 12:29:45< Ivanovic> billynux: don't forget to submit it to google
20100408 12:29:48< billynux> I know!
20100408 12:29:55< billynux> and thanks!
20100408 12:29:55< Darkas> Ivanovic: I've already submitted it
20100408 12:30:20< Ivanovic> Darkas: yes, and in the row with your wikipage and irc nick there is the link to google
20100408 12:30:23< Ivanovic> so it does exist
20100408 12:30:50< Ivanovic> Darkas: i just copied all known irc nicks to make sure that noone misses the entries when looking through the logs and searching for the own nick
20100408 12:30:55< Ivanovic> (something people should do)
20100408 12:31:24< Darkas> Ivanovic: yeah, right
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20100408 12:32:04< Ivanovic> and even though the links can be seen by everyone, the pages are only shown to those with the correct permissions once logged in at google
20100408 12:32:13< Ivanovic> so don't worry about your privacy
20100408 12:32:31< Ivanovic> (it is basically a way for us to keep track of things)
20100408 12:34:02< billynux> Ivanovic: Dumb question perhaps: Is there a way to copy/paste the wiki text? or should I use google's enriched text editor?
20100408 12:34:18< Ivanovic> billynux: at google just post a short summary and a link to the wiki page
20100408 12:34:28< Ivanovic> that is probably the easiest thing to do
20100408 12:34:36< Ivanovic> but make sure to mention everything on the wiki page!
20100408 12:34:49< billynux> Oh... ok
20100408 12:35:04< billynux> I thought from previous conversations here that they should pretty much be duplicates
20100408 12:35:11< billynux> better this way then! :)
20100408 12:35:50< Ivanovic> you could just copy&paste thing or copy&paste the summary or whatever
20100408 12:36:16< Ivanovic> when looking through the application and we just see a short summary and the link to the wiki, we will look over the wiki page and comment this
20100408 12:37:12< billynux> ok
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20100408 12:44:17< billynux> Ivanovic: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_proposal/show/google/gsoc2010/billynux/t127072324332
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20100408 13:59:51< happygrue> timotei21: did you figure out the putty issue?
20100408 14:00:14< timotei21> no, I'm dealing with it right now:D
20100408 14:00:26< timotei21> I mean, I've added 4 keys on the svn.gna
20100408 14:00:35< timotei21> and 3 hours passed since I've added them
20100408 14:00:43< happygrue> timotei21: have you read this? http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SVN_on_Windows
20100408 14:00:45< timotei21> but "server refuses"
20100408 14:00:50< happygrue> you do need an agent
20100408 14:00:51< timotei21> yes...
20100408 14:00:54< timotei21> oh
20100408 14:01:11< timotei21> this one no. Yes, I'm running the pageant from putty, loaded with the keys
20100408 14:01:16< timotei21> but I'll read this one too
20100408 14:01:25< happygrue> Pageant is what I use
20100408 14:01:40< happygrue> it comes with the putty utils
20100408 14:03:05< happygrue> ah I see
20100408 14:04:26< happygrue> timotei21: when you look at your gna account from "My Account Conf" do you see any registered keys?
20100408 14:04:31< shadowmaster> Soliton: re wesnothd, not I at least. I know that the 1.6 and 1.8 instances looked like frozen and that nobody was able to connect to them
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20100408 14:20:52< timotei21> btw happygrue, Do I have to copy to svn.gna.org the content of the .pub file? or just the long key
20100408 14:20:52< timotei21> ?
20100408 14:21:33< timotei21> there is in front of it: ssh-rsa
20100408 14:21:44< happygrue> just the long key IIRC, when you generate it puttygen should label it "for copying"
20100408 14:22:12< timotei21> ok
20100408 14:22:40< happygrue> timotei21: does gna see any of your keys?
20100408 14:23:09< timotei21> well, no :(
20100408 14:23:17< timotei21> but I recreate them and copy paste one more time
20100408 14:23:44< happygrue> timotei21: I would follow the steps on the linked page (svn for windows) exactly
20100408 14:23:46< timotei21> before, with the all 4 keys plink told me: "Server refused public key"
20100408 14:23:49< happygrue> start from the begening
20100408 14:23:51< timotei21> yes
20100408 14:23:57< timotei21> that's what I'm doing, thanks
20100408 14:24:00< happygrue> sure :)
20100408 14:24:17< happygrue> I also had trouble when I first started, and tried several keys
20100408 14:24:37< timotei21> ok
20100408 14:25:17< happygrue> timotei21: but there was no "SVN for windows page", so I had to write it after I figured out the process ;)
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20100408 14:25:26< timotei21> should I put a "keyphrase" in it?
20100408 14:25:42< timotei21> or better no
20100408 14:25:57< happygrue> depends on how much security you like :)
20100408 14:26:22< happygrue> no is fine I think, I"m sure some people do
20100408 14:27:26< happygrue> timotei21: you will have to type it every time you use the key IIRC
20100408 14:27:59< happygrue> every time you want to update SVN I think.  It's been a few years since I've messed with it but I think that is the case.
20100408 14:28:06< timotei21> omg
20100408 14:28:12< timotei21> just don't tell me.
20100408 14:28:17< timotei21> You know what happened?:))
20100408 14:28:21< happygrue> hehe
20100408 14:28:23< timotei21> why server refused my key?
20100408 14:28:28< happygrue> no, but I bet it's good!
20100408 14:28:48< timotei21> when copy-pasted, putty put \n on the finish of the line, and copied it with " " in it
20100408 14:28:49< timotei21> :))
20100408 14:28:59< happygrue> ha
20100408 14:29:13< happygrue> well, at least that is an easy fix ;)
20100408 14:29:34< timotei21> yes
20100408 14:29:52< timotei21> should I add a note on that page? so other won't make the same "mistake"?
20100408 14:30:03< happygrue> timotei21: sure
20100408 14:30:19< happygrue> timotei21: I don't recall that happening to me, but maybe things have changed
20100408 14:30:24< happygrue> better to update it :)
20100408 14:30:27< timotei21> well yes
20100408 14:30:32< timotei21> I'm using the latest putty
20100408 14:30:54< happygrue> timotei21: yeah.  If you could update it that would be good.
20100408 14:32:30< timotei21> now I'll wait until server accepts the key
20100408 14:32:35< timotei21> I'm going to play some commandos
20100408 14:32:40< timotei21> Thank you for support
20100408 14:33:05< happygrue> timotei21: sure.  good luck.  :)
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20100408 14:36:39< Johannes13> Hi, I found a bug. In a scn (coloseum 6p) 6 units are teleported to the location 1,1. Wesnoth crashes when the 4rd unit is teleported. I think that wesnoth tries to teleport that unit to 0,1  1,0 or 0,0 etc...
20100408 14:37:09< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: the point is that it could say "SOftware rasterizer" and I'd have to read the X.org log anyway
20100408 14:37:23< shadowmaster> so why not take the most direct route instead of risking an extra iteration?
20100408 14:37:25< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: yes
20100408 14:37:58< shadowmaster> hah, software rasterizer!
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20100408 15:12:15< Johannes13> Can anyone confirm the bug?
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20100408 15:14:19< Ivanovic> Johannes13: please post it at bugs.wesnoth.org
20100408 15:14:26< Ivanovic> this way it does at least not get forgotten
20100408 15:15:26< Johannes13> ok
20100408 15:16:29< Johannes13> wesbot bug 15774
20100408 15:16:29< wesbot> Bug #15774  Assigned to: Guillaume Melquiond <silene>  Status: Fixed  Priority: 5 - Normal
20100408 15:16:32< wesbot> Summary: using teleport to cause an errorless wesnoth crash
20100408 15:16:35< wesbot> Original submission: if you use this code:[event]name=start[unit]type=Ma
20100408 15:16:37< wesbot> geside=1x,y=3,3[/unit][unit]type=Mageside=1x,y=4,4[/unit][unit]type=Ma
20100408 15:16:40< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?15774
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20100408 15:21:33< lfernando> hello
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20100408 15:34:36< lfernando> seen mordante
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20100408 15:47:27< Johannes13> wesbot seen mordante
20100408 15:47:28< wesbot> Johannes13: The person with the nick mordante last spoke 1d 16h ago.  1d 16h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth-de with the message: Client Quit
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20100408 16:28:43< Soliton> shadowmaster: ok. both servers received a SIGTERM though, so i guess someone must have and i'd like to know what was wrong.
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20100408 16:42:25< shadowmaster> maybe Sirp.
20100408 16:42:42< shadowmaster> I can't think of anyone else that could've been on at the time
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20100408 16:46:21< timotei21> at last
20100408 16:46:32< timotei21> trying to get back in IRC for almost 30 mins
20100408 16:46:38< timotei21> happygrue, it works now:D
20100408 16:46:39< timotei21> thanks
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20100408 16:47:56< gabba> morning
20100408 16:50:12< timotei21> morning gabba 
20100408 16:50:23< gabba> hi timotei21
20100408 16:51:10< _jbx_> Soliton: if you are asking about the mp servers, you weren't around so I asked Sirp to restart them 
20100408 16:52:14< Soliton> yeah, i noticed... after investigating because stuff is messed up.
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20100408 16:53:11< Soliton> everything was fine except the trunk server wasn't running.
20100408 16:54:10< Soliton> i'm a little surprised i got no question on how the server setup works...
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20100408 16:57:50< _jbx_> Soliton: how does the server setup work?
20100408 16:57:53< _jbx_> :P
20100408 16:59:22< Soliton> it only makes sense to explain that to people with access to wesnoth@wesnoth.org. ;-)
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20100408 17:00:20< Soliton> anyone know whether there were changes to the preprocessor that make it throw more exceptions now?
20100408 17:00:29< Soliton> presumably on missing includes.
20100408 17:01:03< zookeeper> yeah
20100408 17:01:14< Ivanovic> was this the change by silene intended to find out about the missing wml child problem?
20100408 17:01:23< zookeeper> missing includes are presumably fatal now
20100408 17:01:24< Soliton> nope.
20100408 17:01:38< Soliton> missing wml child is a different issue.
20100408 17:01:48< zookeeper> i didn't really understand what silene was trying to explain to me so i didn't protest more
20100408 17:01:55< shadowmaster> r41923 anyway
20100408 17:02:01< Soliton> ok, thanks.
20100408 17:02:20< Soliton> it doesn't break a lot of content?
20100408 17:02:39< zookeeper> i'd imagine it does
20100408 17:02:48< shadowmaster> I think he said something to the effect of "let's see if it's worth it"
20100408 17:03:13< Soliton> well, it was worth it to bring all mp play to a halt for a while. :-P
20100408 17:03:22< pokhbocee> zookeeper: i want to filter the side of the units can i give an array of sides?
20100408 17:03:26< shadowmaster> supposedly, no content in mainline at least should refer to inexisting files or macros. Except for DW, which I had to fix after closing its trunk tree in wesnoth-umc-dev and right before importing to mainline
20100408 17:03:53< shadowmaster> s/inexisting (files or macros)/$1 that don't exist/
20100408 17:04:49< Soliton> i have includes in the server configs for redirects to server that might not be running/installed like the dev server atm.
20100408 17:05:56< timotei21> does anyone know how to move a folder on SVN from tortoise svn?
20100408 17:06:11< timotei21> or I'd better do it from command line?
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20100408 17:16:43< shadowmaster> hm.
20100408 17:17:17< shadowmaster> eh, why didn't I see the echoes from rc.local :/
20100408 17:19:36< zookeeper> pokhbocee, side=1,3,4 matches units from sides 1, 3 and 4
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20100408 17:39:19< pokhbocee> zookeeper: but in one case the number of sides are unknown. it could be 1 or 5.
20100408 17:41:01< Elsewise> Hello! Maybe my question will sound a little off, but... If today was the first day I have heard about GSoC and specifically your offer, do I have any chance getting accepted?
20100408 17:42:19< zookeeper> pokhbocee, then i don't really understand what you want to do
20100408 17:42:40< zookeeper> context?
20100408 17:45:04< CIA-64> timotei * r42055 /trunk/utils/ (eclipse_plugin/ java/eclipse_plugin/): move the eclipse plugin in the directory so we can add further dependent projects
20100408 17:45:07< pokhbocee> oh the function need to return the list of enemy units in given range
20100408 17:45:07< CIA-64> timotei * r42054 /trunk/utils/java/: creating folder for java utils (eclipse_plugin)
20100408 17:45:28< pokhbocee> at the moment i filter the units in given radius and then check any of the enemy or not
20100408 17:45:42< pokhbocee> crab suggested me to use filter for both the location and side
20100408 17:46:38< pokhbocee> since there is no exact number of sides i cannot set exact variables to side
20100408 17:47:27< pokhbocee> i can do a for loop and obtain bunch of lists and than make them a single list
20100408 17:47:39< pokhbocee> but other than that i couldnt find a solution for filtering
20100408 17:47:45< Ivanovic> Elsewise: it is difficult
20100408 17:47:57< Ivanovic> Elsewise: you would really have to suprise us positively
20100408 17:48:11< Ivanovic> Elsewise: since there is not much time at all till we got to select our students
20100408 17:48:35< Ivanovic> in this time you would have to create a good and detailed proposal *and* show us that you are able on the coding side, too
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20100408 17:50:49< Elsewise> I know, the deadline is tomorrow and the is probably no chance for me to finish the wiki page... I must also say, that I have never played BfW, but since I am an experienced developer, I really wanted to try myself in game programming
20100408 17:52:18< zookeeper> pokhbocee, so what you need is a filter for matching enemies of unit Y which are within a radius of X hexes from it?
20100408 17:52:20< Ivanovic> personally i think that it is close to impossible to get accepted if you start now unless you invest *lots* of time and are *really* good
20100408 17:52:44< Ivanovic> the matter is that you have to have a look at how things currently are to get a good idea for the details the proposal does require
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20100408 17:53:49< pokhbocee> zookeeper: yes
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20100408 17:55:22< Elsewise> The biggest amount of time I can invest is 5 hours till the 7th april :) But well, I can wait for next and prepare myself better
20100408 17:56:07< Elsewise> Hope the project survives till then, though
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20100408 18:00:17< zookeeper> pokhbocee, ok, there's no way to do that. you'll first have to just get all the units within the radius and then figure out which ones are enemies
20100408 18:00:19< CIA-64> timotei * r42056 /trunk/utils/java/eclipse_plugin/ (11 files in 5 dirs): 
20100408 18:00:19< CIA-64> - sample new campaign creation
20100408 18:00:19< CIA-64> - sample project builder+marking for errors/warnings
20100408 18:01:05< zookeeper> pokhbocee, or you'd have to first figure out which sides are enemy sides, put those in a variable as a comma-separated list and then use side=$enemy_sides as the side filter
20100408 18:01:33< pokhbocee> oh can i assign a list to the side.
20100408 18:01:34< pokhbocee> cool
20100408 18:01:39< pokhbocee> :D ill do that thank you
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20100408 18:03:28< Ivanovic> Elsewise: you can start to contribute anyway
20100408 18:04:03< Ivanovic> noone forced you to get paid for contributing to wesnoth and you can contribute next year, if there is another SoC and wesnoth does participate again
20100408 18:04:32< Ivanovic> that is: most (core) developers are unpaid (as in "no SoC for most people")
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20100408 18:31:03< timotei21> Ivanovic, are you here?
20100408 18:31:07< Ivanovic> sure
20100408 18:31:28< timotei21> If I implemented a patch, I've put the status on: Done. Should I close it too?
20100408 18:31:51< Ivanovic> closing only after a release where the patch is included
20100408 18:31:57< timotei21> ok:)
20100408 18:32:34< pokhbocee> hey guys do we need to fill anything else than proposal in gsoc website
20100408 18:32:45< pokhbocee> do we have to submit any documentation about school etc.?
20100408 18:32:58< Ivanovic> google will ask about this if you are accepted
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20100408 18:33:03< Ivanovic> right now there is nothing more needed
20100408 18:33:12< pokhbocee> oh cool
20100408 18:34:59< pokhbocee> what did u guys wrote to abstract and content?
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20100408 18:36:32< timotei21> well
20100408 18:36:34< timotei21> let me check
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20100408 18:38:43< timotei21> Abstract: This is my proposal for the organization Battle for Wesnoth, as part of Google Summer of Code 2010. 
20100408 18:39:19< timotei21> and in the content: the description which is included in my wiki, the irc+gna usernames, and my mobile phone number
20100408 18:39:30< timotei21> and, don't forget, the link to the wiki :D
20100408 18:39:37< timotei21> that's the most important thing
20100408 18:41:13< pokhbocee> i did same but i put a short version of my proposal into abstracat
20100408 18:41:23< pokhbocee> should i remove it??
20100408 18:41:29< timotei21> I don't know
20100408 18:41:35< timotei21> it's your choice
20100408 18:41:48< timotei21> the mentors which will give us the marks will read the wiki anyways
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20100408 19:12:00< AI0867> mordante: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=419224#p419224
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20100408 19:33:04< Zarel> Well, it looks like kard is pretending to be someone else again?
20100408 19:33:09-!- shadowm_laptop [~ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100408 19:33:12< Zarel> (cf. http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=29413 )
20100408 19:33:35< timotei21> kard is that "bad guy"?
20100408 19:33:37< shadowmaster> because nobody watches TS
20100408 19:33:43< shadowmaster> timotei21: pretty much, yeah
20100408 19:33:47< Zarel> "TS"?
20100408 19:33:52< Zarel> Oh, tech support
20100408 19:33:52< shadowmaster> Technical Support
20100408 19:33:57< Zarel> No one watches it?
20100408 19:34:01< shadowmaster> yep, nobody.
20100408 19:34:07< shadowmaster> not even me *shrugs*
20100408 19:34:20< timotei21> lol, shadowmaster is "guilty" for not having time to look over that?
20100408 19:34:29< timotei21> that's not right
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20100408 19:34:33< timotei21> everyone has his own life:D
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20100408 19:34:46< Zarel> mrh, I'm just surprised no one takes a look at it.
20100408 19:34:53< Shuger> hi
20100408 19:34:54< shadowmaster> so am I.
20100408 19:35:01< timotei21> shadowmaster rocks!
20100408 19:35:03< Zarel> I can report anything important to this IRC channel.
20100408 19:35:05< shadowmaster> It's horrible that we need to be reminded to look at it with those links
20100408 19:35:08< Zarel> Shuger: Heya.
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20100408 19:35:20 * shadowmaster rolls eyes
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20100408 19:35:35< SCNerd> Hey guys, I know I'm way late compared to most, but who should I talk to about a special situation concerning GSoC?
20100408 19:35:37< Shuger> look at what?
20100408 19:35:46< shadowmaster> Shuger: some forum thread.
20100408 19:35:53< timotei21> just say it here, SCNerd 
20100408 19:35:59< timotei21> and somebody will anwer it
20100408 19:36:04< SCNerd> k...
20100408 19:36:18< Zarel> SCNerd: Here's a good place. Start talking. ;)
20100408 19:36:24< SCNerd> applications are due tomorrow, and I'm actually only 16...
20100408 19:36:38< Zarel> Go on...?
20100408 19:37:01< SCNerd> which means that I'm not valid to sign up, and there's not enough time this year to talk with google about the situation
20100408 19:37:12< SCNerd> but I have been programming for a few years
20100408 19:37:21< SCNerd> and I would really like to see if I can help out around here
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20100408 19:37:46< Zarel> Well, talk to Google anyway? They could give you an extension...
20100408 19:38:04< SCNerd> I couldn't find any contact info on their site about it...
20100408 19:38:05< Zarel> Though I think the easier way would be to try again next year; get yourself familiarized with the codebase in the meantime.
20100408 19:38:22< SCNerd> probably true
20100408 19:38:23< shadowmaster> we welcome new developers regardless of time or program
20100408 19:38:24< Zarel> SCNerd: Meet me in #gsoc?
20100408 19:38:52< Zarel> And also try shadowmaster's advice - you don't _have_ to be in GSoC to be an open-source developer. ;)
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20100408 19:39:38< Ivanovic> SCNerd: by the official google rules it is impossible that you participate there
20100408 19:39:47< Ivanovic> SCNerd: to be an open source student you have to be 18
20100408 19:40:10< Ivanovic> (since it is a paid job and in many countries there apply special rules if the contractor is <18)
20100408 19:40:26< SCNerd> right, so I understand that I probably can't get into the payroll...
20100408 19:40:30< Ivanovic> yes
20100408 19:40:43< Ivanovic> but you can help develop wesnoth anyway
20100408 19:40:55< Ivanovic> there is nothing stopping you from working on open source software
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20100408 19:41:36< Zarel> Yeah, I mean, you're around the age I started. :)
20100408 19:41:40< Ivanovic> :)
20100408 19:41:53< timotei21> also, if you want, you could get familiar with the codebase, and in the next years nobody stops you applying to projects
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20100408 19:42:09< timotei21> hello Crab_ 
20100408 19:42:25< Crab_> hi, timotei21
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20100408 19:44:53< timotei21> I've managed to commit the patches, and moved succesfully the project into "java" dir
20100408 19:47:02< esr> Ivanovic: Re bug #15815: English [GB] translation of tutorial displays the tag "female^". Is this something I screwed up?  Dunno how to fix it.
20100408 19:47:18< Ivanovic> esr: remove anything up to the '^'
20100408 19:47:31< Ivanovic> anything up to the '^' is basically a "comment inside the string"
20100408 19:47:34< Crab_> timotei21: good ;)
20100408 19:47:49< Ivanovic> the original does automatically omit everything up to the (and including) ^
20100408 19:47:55< shadowmaster> déjà vu
20100408 19:47:58< Ivanovic> in the translation you have to remove this part by hand
20100408 19:48:06< Ivanovic> IIRC Chusslove has some magic script testing for this stuff, too
20100408 19:48:15< Crab_> timotei21: we expect you to show your best, by actively working on the plugin.
20100408 19:48:22< Ivanovic> ask him to get a report on the strings of en_GB with possible errors
20100408 19:48:57< timotei21> yes, right now I've moved to vs2010, so I could "browse" and test the codebase better than in vs2008 where I've got enough freezes
20100408 19:49:23< timotei21> and I've found a little bug in the cmake things
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20100408 19:49:40< timotei21> the cmake tries to make the "revision.hpp" file
20100408 19:49:45< timotei21> using the svnversion
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20100408 19:49:54< Crab_> yes
20100408 19:50:03< timotei21> but in the end it tries to copy a "nothing"
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20100408 19:50:58-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: GSoC: proposals are to be submitted to Google before 9th April 19:00 UTC. Also, when your wiki page is ready, ask us to review it. | 84 bugs, 263 feature requests, 15 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20100408 19:51:51< pokhbocee> hey Crab_
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20100408 19:55:09< Ivanovic> JustasJ , gabba , gabba , fakedrake , endercoaster , Shuger , Greywhind , Abion47 , Iskander , awilkins , Bdorf , billynux , ctrlfreak, ctrlfreak_ , Dakmor, Dakmor_, Dakmor_Z , Darkas , schumi , Hagaren , Upthorn, Upth , lfernando , LucaMoller , pokhbocee , RandomDragon , Theodore , aranair , orfest , Salwan , timotei, timotei21 , titouu, titoou: please do make sure that your proposal is submitted to google
20100408 19:55:20< Ivanovic> we can only consider those applications that are in fact submitted to google
20100408 19:55:27< timotei21> yes, I've submitted it already:D
20100408 19:55:31< Ivanovic> you have only a little more than 24h left to submit to google
20100408 19:55:45< fakedrake> i registered as a student
20100408 19:55:53< Ivanovic> so far only a limited number of those students stating that they are interested have actually submitted the proposal to google
20100408 19:55:59< Ivanovic> have a look at http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeStudents_IRC#Table
20100408 19:55:59< fakedrake> is there anything else to pe done
20100408 19:56:01< fakedrake> ?
20100408 19:56:18< Ivanovic> if in the tow for your proposal there is no link to google, then you have not submitted your proposal to google yet
20100408 19:56:27< Ivanovic> fakedrake: yes, you have to actually *submit* something to google
20100408 19:56:41< fakedrake> how do i do that?
20100408 19:56:54< pokhbocee> Crab_: Are u available atm
20100408 19:56:54< Ivanovic> http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/home/google/gsoc2010
20100408 19:57:03< happygrue> timotei21: great, I'm glad it is working.  :)
20100408 19:57:08< Ivanovic> should all be documented there
20100408 19:57:17< Crab_> pokhbocee: yes
20100408 19:57:31< Ivanovic> i have no idea what the student interface looks like, though you will likely find it yourself
20100408 19:57:35< fakedrake> thanx
20100408 19:57:38< Ivanovic> just look for a "submit" link in the left pane
20100408 19:57:51< timotei21> fakedrake, creat in the right an account, log in, then in the left menu, at the bottom: "Submit your student proposal", select the battle for wesnoth project and voilla
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20100408 19:58:18< pokhbocee> Crab_: did you had time to review my proposal?
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20100408 19:58:50< pokhbocee> Crab_: i thought it was clear to me, but i realized im confused, while im writing it
20100408 19:59:11< pokhbocee> the thing confuses me are the behaviours
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20100408 20:00:03< Crab_> pokhbocee: yes, I've read through it
20100408 20:00:27< Crab_> pokhbocee: (wait a bit, I'll tell more in a few minutes)
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20100408 20:00:31< pokhbocee> ok
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20100408 20:01:11< timotei21> Crab_, well, it compiled in the end
20100408 20:01:16< timotei21> fakedrake, creat in the right an account, log in, then in the left menu, at the bottom: "Submit your student proposal", select the battle for wesnoth project and voilla
20100408 20:01:21< timotei21> s/creat/create
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20100408 20:01:36< pokhbocee> zookeeper: i have tried it but atm it doesnt work here is the way i use it --> http://pastebin.com/Gbfg5Y8R
20100408 20:01:52< Ivanovic> fakedrake, Shuger, Greywhind, ctrlfreak: you are the ones that are currently in here with a client and have obviously not submitted to google, please make sure to commit it in time or we can not consider you as participants
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20100408 20:02:03< fakedrake> can i paste my wiki page there?
20100408 20:02:11< fakedrake> (sorry the internet here is crap
20100408 20:02:13< Ivanovic> fakedrake: better just paste a summary and link the wiki page
20100408 20:02:13< fakedrake> )
20100408 20:02:25< fakedrake> ok
20100408 20:02:38< Greywhind> Ivanovic: i will definitely be submitting my proposal tonight
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20100408 20:02:41< Shuger> Ivanovic, i know i'll submit too google soon
20100408 20:02:55< Greywhind> Ivanovic: i have been extremely busy lately, but i've dedicated today to work on my proposal as much as possible
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20100408 20:03:19< Greywhind> first, i have one more class to get through, though
20100408 20:03:30< Greywhind> so i'll be back later to work on it
20100408 20:03:35< Ivanovic> i just want to make sure that you don't miss this submission
20100408 20:03:39< Crab_> pokhbocee: have you tried side = "1,2"  ?
20100408 20:03:46< Greywhind> yeah, thanks for the reminder. i appreciate it :)
20100408 20:03:58< Ivanovic> it would be really sad if a student invested all the time without any change to get accepted because the application is not in the tracker at google
20100408 20:04:09< Greywhind> indeed
20100408 20:04:23< Ivanovic> s/change/chance
20100408 20:04:25< Greywhind> i'll be back later
20100408 20:04:43< fakedrake> does google actually look at the proposals there?
20100408 20:05:00< fakedrake> i mean just a small description and a link is sufficient
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20100408 20:05:59< Ivanovic> no, but we do
20100408 20:06:35< Ivanovic> we just want all the info available and don't care much if this is at google or in our wiki (though we prefer our wiki, that is easier to make it look nicely)
20100408 20:06:55< fakedrake> ok
20100408 20:08:46< fakedrake> ok did it
20100408 20:09:43< Ivanovic> in fact you submitted twice
20100408 20:09:50< timotei21> Crab_, do you know If I can open with fgrep/grep the files in which is found a specified phrase?
20100408 20:10:05< Crab_> define 'open'
20100408 20:10:13< timotei21> ok
20100408 20:10:14< timotei21> thanks
20100408 20:10:24< Crab_> no, that's a question
20100408 20:10:31< Crab_> what do you mean by 'open' ?
20100408 20:10:32< timotei21> open the files
20100408 20:10:39< Crab_> in a certain text editor ?
20100408 20:10:48< timotei21> I don't care... just open the files
20100408 20:10:54< fakedrake> soryit should be in the man page
20100408 20:10:55< timotei21> maybe in their default editor
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20100408 20:11:05< Crab_> timotei21: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xargs
20100408 20:11:11< Ivanovic> fakedrake: added the link to your wiki page
20100408 20:11:18< timotei21> ok
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20100408 20:12:45< fakedrake> i guess you could pipe tha contents of the files to grep and pipe the result to less
20100408 20:13:18< Ivanovic> ehm, you can just "open" the files using grep
20100408 20:13:20< pokhbocee> Crab_: yes it works but since the number of enemies doesnt work
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20100408 20:13:58< Crab_> pokhbocee: can you explain more?
20100408 20:13:59< pokhbocee> Crab_: i mean is not same all the time i cannot do that way. i talked to zookeeper and he said i can use side=list , i tried that but doesnt work
20100408 20:14:16< pokhbocee> i mean in the game we may have 3 enemies or 5
20100408 20:14:23< Crab_> no, side=list won't go. you have to convert the list to a single string
20100408 20:14:23< pokhbocee> the number is not exact
20100408 20:14:55< pokhbocee> i wrote a method to obtain list of enemies
20100408 20:15:19< pokhbocee> and assign it to side but as u said it didnt work
20100408 20:16:00< pokhbocee> am i clear? im not sure i explained myself clearly
20100408 20:17:06< Crab_> you need to assign a string, not a list
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20100408 20:17:10< Crab_> make a string from your list
20100408 20:18:35< pokhbocee> ??
20100408 20:18:45< pokhbocee> how can it work i dont understand
20100408 20:18:58< Crab_> you said that side ="1,2" worked, right ?
20100408 20:19:06< pokhbocee> side 1,2
20100408 20:19:11< pokhbocee> side = 1,2
20100408 20:19:18< pokhbocee> i dont remmeber i put " there
20100408 20:19:29< pokhbocee> but ill try
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20100408 20:19:33< Ivanovic> Upth / Upthorn: around?
20100408 20:19:39< mordante> servus
20100408 20:19:50< Crab_> hi, mordante
20100408 20:20:01< mordante> hi Crab_ 
20100408 20:20:08< Ivanovic> if you are, please ping me: reason: we would like to ask you some questions (aka "finding out your (theoretical) skill level")
20100408 20:20:17< Ivanovic> hi mordante
20100408 20:20:36< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20100408 20:20:53< mordante> Ivanovic, the patch works, will visit the sdl bugzilla later
20100408 20:21:04< Ivanovic> mordante: great!
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20100408 20:21:19< Ivanovic> mordante: please make sure to mention it in our bugtracker, too
20100408 20:21:22< pokhbocee> Crab_: what about my proposal i think i have to discuss it. because i dont think this behaviours work well. unless we make them work locally, i mean we can make seperate trees for each area ( accordingto density of the units). and withn that tree we can consider enemy's moves 
20100408 20:21:22< mordante> indeed let's hope there will be an SDL 1.2.15...
20100408 20:21:29< mordante> Ivanovic, already done that part ;-)
20100408 20:21:31< Ivanovic> (since most bug reports in the distros do monitor our report)
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20100408 20:21:41< pokhbocee> Crab_: maybe i should change my proposal in that direction]
20100408 20:21:49< Crab_> pokhbocee: a little busy atm, I'll talk about it, but a little later.
20100408 20:21:52< mordante> already notified debian and our tracker
20100408 20:22:01< pokhbocee> Crab_: oh im sorry ok.
20100408 20:22:15< Crab_> np
20100408 20:22:18< mordante> Ivanovic, you managed to do devdocs?
20100408 20:22:29< Ivanovic> mordante: they *seem* to work
20100408 20:22:41< Ivanovic> not sure though until someone commits a code change
20100408 20:22:43< Ivanovic> ;)
20100408 20:22:47< mordante> ok will look tomorrow
20100408 20:22:58< mordante> at least the date should change
20100408 20:22:59< pokhbocee> Crab_:can you tell me a specific time because ill have classes starting in an hour
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20100408 20:23:51< Shuger> can someone review my application? http://wiki.wesnoth.org/GSoC_Sprite_Sheets_Shuger it's still not finished but i thought it would be great to here some criticism ath this point
20100408 20:24:06< mordante> Johannes13, you were looking for me
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20100408 20:25:48< Ivanovic> mordante: okay, left a note in the gentoo bugtracker, too
20100408 20:25:57< mordante> ok good
20100408 20:27:09< mordante> Ivanovic, can you also do the sdl one, you seem to have an account there
20100408 20:27:14< Crab_> pokhbocee: ok, will tell a few things now
20100408 20:27:16< Ivanovic> mkay
20100408 20:27:20 * mordante is too lazy to make one
20100408 20:27:22< mordante> thanks
20100408 20:28:47< mordante> AI0867, that forum link uses gui1
20100408 20:29:27< Ivanovic> mordante: done
20100408 20:29:30< AI0867> well, partially
20100408 20:30:06< mordante> thanks Ivanovic 
20100408 20:30:07< AI0867> that's what seems to be the problem
20100408 20:30:46< mordante> at least I never modified that part, silene did some of these areas
20100408 20:33:03< Shuger> Ivanovic, i filled my application at google, can you check if it is visible to you?
20100408 20:34:34< Ivanovic> Shuger: yes, it does work and i added the link so that it appears in the table
20100408 20:34:52< Shuger> thanks :)
20100408 20:36:37< mordante> Shuger, is your application at google the same as the wiki?
20100408 20:37:22< Shuger> mordante, my application at google is simply a short description and link to  wiki
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20100408 20:37:38< mordante> Shuger, ok then I'll read your wiki page
20100408 20:38:17< Shuger> thanks
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20100408 20:40:45< Crab_> timotei21: you know how to fix it?
20100408 20:41:04< Crab_> timotei21: (wrt the revision.hpp file)
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20100408 20:49:48< timotei21> well, I'm rebuilding it.
20100408 20:50:01< timotei21> I need to see if I built it with vs2008 have the same issue
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20100408 20:50:29< timotei21> I presume is from the thing I've got commit access, so he needs to read throught the pageant
20100408 20:50:54< timotei21> vs2010 has a very stupid building mechanism
20100408 20:51:12< timotei21> Forcing rebuild of all source files due to a change in the command line since the last build.
20100408 20:51:13< timotei21> :))
20100408 20:51:34< shadowmaster> that happens in scons too
20100408 20:51:37< shadowmaster> and autotools, and cmake
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20100408 20:51:53< timotei21> well... scons didn't built ALL every time I start it:P
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20100408 20:54:46< pokhbocee> Crab_: im here
20100408 20:55:03< Crab_> pokhbocee: I've messaged you in private - you've seen those messages ?
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20100408 20:55:49< pokhbocee> oh isee :D ok sorry
20100408 20:56:01< Crab_> pokhbocee: np. if you have any questions, ask them.
20100408 20:56:44< mordante> Shuger, you might want to have a look at http://www.frogatto.com/ which also has sprite sheets and a tool to create the WML files from the animations
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20100408 20:57:10< mordante> Shuger, run ./game --utility=object_editor ant_black
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20100408 20:59:51< mordante> Shuger, as said before I think having 3 formats is overkill I rather go for 2: 1) the current system 2) sprite sheets
20100408 21:01:39< mordante> Shuger, and if we compress the images, the extra transparent pixels shouldn't cost too much
20100408 21:01:49< timotei21> well, Crab_ , I regenerated the projects, and now it works..
20100408 21:01:59< Shuger> yes, but SDL is storing them uncompressed
20100408 21:02:02< timotei21> then, I think I missed something
20100408 21:02:39< Shuger> so it doesn't matter on the disk but does with SDL surfaces
20100408 21:02:44< Crab_> timotei21: maybe the issue is with build order ?
20100408 21:02:52< Crab_> e.g., 'fails 1st time after a clean'
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20100408 21:03:04< mordante> Shuger, true but I think 3 formats make things more complex and thus error prone
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20100408 21:03:33< timotei21> I removed all projects (install, zero_check, etc) from my solution, and revision-stamp too
20100408 21:03:35< mordante> Shuger, your proposal misses a timeline and more technical details would be welcome
20100408 21:03:36< Shuger> you have a point
20100408 21:03:42< timotei21> didn't swa that one before but it still worked
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20100408 21:04:33< Shuger> mordante, ok, i'll add that and reconsider using only 2 formats
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20100408 21:06:28< mordante> Shuger, at least when you want to do step 3 I like to see profiling that it's really worth the effort
20100408 21:07:10< mordante> if it's a lot of effort for 1 MB, 10 MB or even more
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20100408 21:09:59< Shuger> mordante, the problem is it's hard to say without profiling it, so maybe i should add this croping step as low priority and make proof of concept after everything else is completed. if it wouldn't bring much good, simply not go for it
20100408 21:11:39< Shuger> ideally i thought of completely getting rid of single images per frame and use spritesheets only, but i thought that many artists wouldn't be happy about that
20100408 21:11:39< mordante> Shuger, that's why I mentioned profiling ;-) and I think that would indeed be an good idea to do step 2 first and then a quick test to profile step 3
20100408 21:12:05< mordante> Shuger, I agree but we can't change it that fast and don't want to break UMC
20100408 21:12:18< mordante> maybe at some point in the future we can change it
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20100408 21:12:49< Shuger> maybe, it would be easier with good and easy for use tool to support it
20100408 21:12:58< timotei21> I'm out
20100408 21:13:01< timotei21> good night everyone
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20100408 21:13:06< Crab_> timotei21: night
20100408 21:13:07< Shuger> bye
20100408 21:14:44< mordante> Shuger, what do you exactly mean with that?
20100408 21:16:48< Shuger> i mean a tool with which you can generate proper sheet and wml with push of a button
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20100408 21:17:31< Shuger> on second thought it's a problem too, you would have to add additional tool to making UMC
20100408 21:17:37< mordante> Shuger, I agree that's why I gave the frogatto link, which does something like that
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20100408 21:17:53< fakedrake> i made a small patch that shows a bit more accurately the line numbers of errors related to unclosed macro substitutions
20100408 21:17:55< Shuger> oh, sorry, missed it
20100408 21:17:59< fakedrake> should i post it?
20100408 21:18:02< Shuger> taking a look now
20100408 21:18:41< mordante> frogatto is also on freenode at #frogatto 
20100408 21:20:41< fakedrake> damn you hotel internet connections
20100408 21:21:00< fakedrake> i will post as soon as things get a bit more stable here
20100408 21:21:28< Shuger> mordante, what do you thnik about compressing currently unused images in cache i mentioned?
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20100408 21:22:32< Espreon> Hmmmm... the connection at my last hotel was fine... then again, it was a four-star hotel.
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20100408 21:29:06< happygrue> Espreon: those are the best hotels to 'borrow' soap and towel from... ;)
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20100408 21:30:17< mordante> Shuger, not sure how much it helps your OS also caches files
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20100408 21:30:58< mordante> so if the file is in the OS cache, clearing the SDL cache entry is more efficient otherwise compressing might be
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20100408 21:31:48< mordante> but I think the speed is most important on small devices and I'm not sure how much slower "disk" access is there
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20100408 21:34:40< Soliton> esr, Ivanovic: i removed all translation notes from translated strings this morning and en_GB didn't have any so it seems that bug is an engine bug (if it's still reproducable).
20100408 21:35:49< Shuger> mordante, i remember testing such things in the past and such aproach had some increase in load time, but that was in the past, i would have to check it again
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20100408 21:36:27< Shuger> the worst thing with everything concerting performance is that you can never safely assume anything :/
20100408 21:36:30< esr> Soliton: Interesting....
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20100408 21:39:42< mordante> Shuger, true
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20100408 21:44:51< Espreon> happygrue: Heh...
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20100408 21:52:41< mordante> I'm off night
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20100408 21:52:48< billynux> hi Crab_ , mordante , I updated my wiki
20100408 21:53:09< billynux> I added multiplexing support to the prototype
20100408 21:53:29< mordante> billynux, is there something that needs direct reviewing?
20100408 21:53:41< billynux> I guess not
20100408 21:53:52< mordante> ok then I have a look tomorrow
20100408 21:54:14< billynux> I would like to know if there is anything you would like me to do / add?
20100408 21:54:40< Crab_> hi, billynux
20100408 21:54:44< billynux> hi Crab_ 
20100408 21:55:02< mordante> you can also do that later, your proposal is at google, but you can still update the wiki
20100408 21:55:18< billynux> ok, the google application just references the wiki
20100408 21:55:47< mordante> I expect we will ask for more updates next week for several candidates ;-)
20100408 21:55:59< mordante> really off now
20100408 21:56:04< lfernando> hello
20100408 21:56:07< billynux> yeah, go catch some shut-eye
20100408 21:56:10< Crab_> hi, lfernando
20100408 21:56:15< mordante> hi lfernando 
20100408 21:56:23< billynux> ok mordante, anything you want
20100408 21:56:23< mordante> lfernando, you needed me?
20100408 21:56:33< mordante> billynux, sleep ;-)
20100408 21:56:48< CIA-64> caslav_ilic * r42057 /branches/1.8/ (52 files in 17 dirs): Updated translations for Serbian (intentionally not applying to trunk too).
20100408 21:56:50< lfernando> mordante, you are a mentor right?
20100408 21:56:56< mordante> lfernando, yes
20100408 21:57:18< lfernando> can you review my page on the gsoc wiki when you can?
20100408 21:58:02< mordante> lfernando, I can do that tomorrow and like I said to billynux as long as it's at google we can still ask for updates next week
20100408 21:58:19< mordante> lfernando, so don't fear the review will be too late ;-)
20100408 21:58:40< lfernando> no prob at all
20100408 21:58:48< mordante> ok then night all
20100408 21:58:48< lfernando> thanks =-)
20100408 21:58:54< mordante> you're welcome
20100408 21:59:00< lfernando> good night
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20100408 22:02:05< Crab_> lfernando: yes, there's one important thing that I'd like you to look at
20100408 22:02:12< Upthorn> [2010-04-08 11:19:29] <Ivanovic> Upth / Upthorn: around?
20100408 22:02:20< Upthorn> I am now.
20100408 22:02:48< Crab_> lfernando: please look at bug https://gna.org/bugs/?15560 
20100408 22:03:02< Crab_> lfernando: and think about  [set_global_variable] and [get_global_variable] in context of that bug.
20100408 22:03:20< Crab_> (you don't need to fix the bug, just make sure that you understand it)
20100408 22:03:35< Crab_> Upthorn: note the ^, too. not now, but do this later, this is important.
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20100408 22:07:01< norbert_> shadowmaster: you're in a _lot_ of IRC channels :)
20100408 22:07:18< shadowmaster> right
20100408 22:07:23< norbert_> shadowmaster: if you're there, do you have a transparent animated gif of the brazier?
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20100408 22:07:59< shadowmaster> ...no.
20100408 22:07:59< norbert_> I made one myself, with The GIMP, just 8 layers, but it seems kinda of... well, not that great; it's better in in-game
20100408 22:08:17< norbert_> *kind of; *-in
20100408 22:08:21< shadowmaster> and that reminds me I need to fix that brazier. The light radiates...rather statically
20100408 22:08:32< shadowmaster> it doesn't look like real light from real fire
20100408 22:09:04< shadowmaster> it looks more like light radiated from a lightbulb
20100408 22:09:07< norbert_> http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/192/fireleft.gif
20100408 22:09:15< norbert_> is it supposed to be like that?
20100408 22:09:29< norbert_> I mean, when it's a gif of course, since that has no alpha channels
20100408 22:09:36< Blarumyrram> It adds instead of replacing frames
20100408 22:09:46< norbert_> ah
20100408 22:09:50< norbert_> Blarumyrram: yes, thanks
20100408 22:09:57< norbert_> now that you mention it, I see it
20100408 22:11:34< norbert_> I picked frame disposal "I don't care"
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20100408 22:14:32< shadowmaster> *light radied from a lightbulb that has a little plastic decoration on top of it that uncannily resembles real fire
20100408 22:14:42< shadowmaster> *radiated
20100408 22:15:48< Blarumyrram> Light from a fire is mostly invisible unless the air is really dusty or something
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20100408 22:17:14< shadowmaster> on the floor?
20100408 22:17:42< shadowmaster> what we see is the reflection of life, and in the case of this sprite/item/whatever, it's included in it.
20100408 22:18:03< shadowmaster> light
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20100408 22:25:17< norbert_> my website is as good as ready
20100408 22:25:35< norbert_> added possibility to search for text in the addons and descriptions of the addons
20100408 22:25:53< norbert_> and a button that will do a <self>?source=yes that displays the source of the current php page
20100408 22:26:01< Crab_> norbert_: cool ;)
20100408 22:26:13< norbert_> :)
20100408 22:26:21< norbert_> hopefully the whole thing won't be hacked
20100408 22:26:32< Crab_> well, have backups and logs :)
20100408 22:26:40< norbert_> I have/will
20100408 22:28:03< norbert_> and gif/ani files to give the pages the wesnoth color cursor
20100408 22:28:07< norbert_> tiny details like that
20100408 22:31:07< shadowmaster> norbert_: it's up to you to make sure your code isn't easily exploitable
20100408 22:31:17< norbert_> yep, I know
20100408 22:31:19< norbert_> it's pretty solid
20100408 22:31:42< norbert_> if people disable JavaScript some of the forms get less checks, but nothing will break
20100408 22:32:44< norbert_> strings go through htmlspecialchars, numbers (int)<nr> and so on
20100408 22:39:10< norbert_> both these flame animations (also firex.x) 'dance' from left to right
20100408 22:39:51< norbert_> the flame of firex.x appears to have been used for the brazier
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20100408 22:47:12< Rhonda> How long will the official servers still support 1.6 clients?
20100408 22:52:31< Rhonda> Or how long after the 1.6 release was the 1.4 servers still run?
20100408 22:53:30< norbert_> "The 1.4 server says that it will be shut down when 1.8 comes out."
20100408 22:53:34< norbert_> according to 
20100408 22:53:35< norbert_> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=27779
20100408 22:53:42< Ivanovic> Rhonda: 1.4 was still offered till some days ago
20100408 22:53:49< Ivanovic> as in "we keep stable and old stable"
20100408 22:54:15< Ivanovic> so 1.6 will most likely be still running till something like febuary 2011
20100408 22:56:29< Rhonda> Ivanovic: Hmm, the config still says that 1.4 should work. :)
20100408 22:56:43< Ivanovic> IIRC Soliton has not stopped it yet
20100408 22:56:51< Ivanovic> in general this is the minimum runtime for the server
20100408 22:56:53< Ivanovic> ;)
20100408 22:57:59< Soliton> no, i did stop the 1.4 server since 1.8 is using the same port.
20100408 22:58:18< Ivanovic> Rhonda: no 1.4 server anymore!
20100408 22:58:31< Soliton> Rhonda: what config do you mean?
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20100408 23:01:27< Soliton> if there is some good reason we can also still run 1.4 btw. there is no technical issue.
20100408 23:04:11< Rhonda> Debian stable has 1.4 :P
20100408 23:04:20< Rhonda> Is there some statistic of users connecting?
20100408 23:05:12< Rhonda> Soliton: ~wesnoth/servers/trunk/stable-redirect.cfg is what I was looking at.
20100408 23:05:29< Rhonda> version="1.0*,1.2*,1.4*,1.7*,1.8*"
20100408 23:06:20< Soliton> i did that so old clients are told they need 1.8 and not 1.9-svn.
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20100408 23:08:46< Soliton> Rhonda: a start on stats: "~wesnoth/bin/logfilter_version servers/trunk/logs/wesnothd.201004* | sort | uniq -c"
20100408 23:09:48< Soliton> there is also wesnothd.wesnoth.org where oldstable was 1.4 until the 1.8 release.
20100408 23:09:49< Noyga> hmmm
20100408 23:11:04< Rhonda> Ah, right, that stats graph I was looking for  \o/
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20100408 23:12:36< Noyga> any idea why some of the last added campaigns lost their translation when they were imported from wescamp ?
20100408 23:13:32< Noyga> (at least wesnoth-dm)
20100408 23:13:33< Ivanovic> huh?
20100408 23:13:57< Ivanovic> when i did the import stuff i always used utils/wescamp_import
20100408 23:14:02< Ivanovic> a script exactly for this stuff
20100408 23:14:13< Ivanovic> so that you *can* easily import a campaign from wescamp
20100408 23:19:58< norbert_> 1.8 addons still nothing from Necromonger, no DDB_Diego map, no Dov's MP Maps, and no delines mappack
20100408 23:20:05< norbert_> which means, no Orocia
20100408 23:20:18< norbert_> miss that map :|
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20100408 23:25:01< Soliton> http://gna.org/bugs/?15827  first bug report on the preprocessor change.
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20100408 23:26:26< Noyga> well some translators complained that a lot of work they have done in wescamp were lost... dunno if it is true or not
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20100408 23:56:35< CIA-58> silene * r42058 /trunk/src/serialization/preprocessor.cpp: Prevented streams from being destroyed while in a bad state. (Fix for bug #15827.)
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20100408 23:58:36< Crab_> Upthorn: and, please see my note about https://gna.org/bugs/?15560 - study this bug, please.
20100408 23:59:18< Crab_> Upthorn: you don't have to fix it, but it would be a good thing to understand it
20100408 23:59:33< Upthorn> yes. I saw you mention that earlier.
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