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20100421 00:17:28< taw_> hello there
20100421 00:18:19< taw_> could someone explain to me how gpl works with wesnoth images, as users' forum is silent about it
20100421 00:19:36< Ivanovic> just like with sources
20100421 00:19:55< Ivanovic> you edit an image and have to release the edited version under the gpl, too
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20100421 00:20:45< taw_> right, but can I used them in a non-gpl game together with a lot of non-gpl content ?
20100421 00:20:48< Ivanovic> and if you use images eg to create some other image (eg several portraits to make a story screen like thing) this resulting work is of course derived from the original and thus has to be under the gpl
20100421 00:21:16< Ivanovic> what you have to do is make sure that you mention clearly which images are under gpl
20100421 00:21:26< Ivanovic> and you have to make sure to give credit to the authors
20100421 00:21:44< taw_> but it doesn't affect anything other than images, right?
20100421 00:21:51< Ivanovic> but as long as you don't "derive" from the images, the rest does not have to be gpl
20100421 00:22:13< Ivanovic> the gpl is basically about "derived work" which has to be freely available, too
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20100421 00:22:28< Ivanovic> and of course about providing credit for work done, where it is in place
20100421 00:23:02< taw_> sounds good
20100421 00:23:34< Ivanovic> as long as you make sure those two things are met (marking derived work gpl as well as clearly marking images that are under gpl as such and of course mentioning who created the work)
20100421 00:23:48< Ivanovic> though i am not a lawyer, this is my simple and plain understanding of things
20100421 00:24:04< taw_> it is fairly unlikely i will ever make derived anything from these images, as i suck at photoshop
20100421 00:24:31< taw_> (also, this is the context -> http://chaosforge.org/taw/jrpg/  I was such a pain to find any sprites whatsoever, let alone good ones...)
20100421 00:25:21< Ivanovic> time for me to head off to bed, n8
20100421 00:25:28< taw_> night
20100421 00:25:41< AI0867> conventional wisdom states that, for programs, "static linking" (which includes a library into the program), makes the program a derivative work, while "dynamic linking" (which makes the program find a library that offers the required functions at runtime) does not
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20100421 00:26:05< Ivanovic> you might want to also have a look at stuff like freeciv since they got sprites and terrains as well
20100421 00:26:16< Ivanovic> AI0867: yeah, but how to apply it for graphics?
20100421 00:26:26< AI0867> translated to images: writing a script that absolutely depends on that specific image might count as a derivative
20100421 00:26:31< taw_> i checked freeciv, it has very little
20100421 00:26:41< Ivanovic> AI0867: i'd say that "the images are still there are plain images like they were before" you got a kind of dynamic linking
20100421 00:26:44< AI0867> a script that could use any of a class of images, it wouldn't
20100421 00:26:52< Ivanovic> AI0867: ah, not exactly
20100421 00:27:05< taw_> yay, it's like debian-legal all over again
20100421 00:27:12< Ivanovic> a script that depends on the existance on *some* image there is still dynamic linking
20100421 00:27:17< AI0867> yes
20100421 00:27:26< Ivanovic> as long as you can replace the image by one of eg similar dimensions
20100421 00:27:42< Espreon> [#wesnoth-dev]
20100421 00:27:45< Espreon> Sorry.
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20100421 00:28:06< Ivanovic> though if you create something like eg the .pak format some commercial games use, everything in this .pak would be gpl
20100421 00:28:29< taw_> it would be straightforward to put different things in different .paks right?
20100421 00:28:36< Ivanovic> that is: if this container is more than a plain tarball or something like this)
20100421 00:28:56< Ivanovic> taw_: depends on how you code and what you code
20100421 00:29:27< Ivanovic> taw_: as long as you have things "pluggable" as in "things don't depend on *exactly* this image" you should be fine
20100421 00:29:29< taw_> .paks for most games i've moded all the way from doom to empire total war were little more than tarballs
20100421 00:29:40< Ivanovic> if you could in some context just put a different png with some strange form in
20100421 00:29:58< Ivanovic> taw_: like i said, it depends on how things are done
20100421 00:30:22< taw_> well, realistically, if it's a tileset, you either have to replace the entire tileset at once, or it will still run but it will run like a 5 year old drew it
20100421 00:30:24< Ivanovic> taw_: if this *exact* image is mandatory in the pak to have it work, it would be a form of "static" linking (you can't replace the image)
20100421 00:30:39< taw_> how does that count?
20100421 00:30:50< Ivanovic> static linking is what makes it a "derived work"
20100421 00:31:14< Ivanovic> yes, this should, if things are done well, not happen or even be possible
20100421 00:31:40< Soliton> static linking an image sounds like putting it right into the executable.
20100421 00:32:01< Ivanovic> Soliton: yeah, this would be some form of it
20100421 00:32:08< taw_> that's how it ends up if gpl is ever used for things which are not code...
20100421 00:32:37< Ivanovic> taw_: though: what speaks against gpl'ing your work?
20100421 00:32:50< taw_> that it might use other sprites or stuff which will be not gpl
20100421 00:33:12< Ivanovic> a plain COPYING note should be enough for this
20100421 00:33:44< Ivanovic> since what you find regarding graphics is most likely either CC "something" or GPL
20100421 00:34:28< taw_> looking at what I use now ... "angband tileset is for non-commercial use only"
20100421 00:34:28< Ivanovic> with public domain and bsd license you would be fine anyway, since you are free to state what the license is
20100421 00:34:37< taw_> backgrounds are cc from flickr
20100421 00:35:00< taw_> (and cc is not gpl-compatible if we're really strict here...)
20100421 00:35:23< Ivanovic> you are always free to contact the authors and ask if they relicense it for you under gpl
20100421 00:35:24< Ivanovic> ;)
20100421 00:35:30< Ivanovic> okay, like i said, got to head off to bed
20100421 00:35:38< taw_> plus i bundle font files which are at who knows what license but they're open source somehow
20100421 00:35:55< Ivanovic> dynamic linking!
20100421 00:36:10< Ivanovic> as long as you can replace it without recompiling the binary, you should be fine
20100421 00:36:16< taw_> all right, i'll just put in a separate pack
20100421 00:36:21< Ivanovic> (regarding the derived work clause)
20100421 00:36:29< taw_> it's written in python anyway, there's no binary
20100421 00:37:04< Ivanovic> if you can "easily" replace the components, you should be fine regarding the static linking thingie
20100421 00:37:06< Ivanovic> better?
20100421 00:37:16< Ivanovic> n8
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20100421 01:39:49< Shakey> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=423253#p423253
20100421 01:39:55< Shakey> I can confirm it's working
20100421 01:40:27< Shakey> not sure if every feature is working, but this is a great temporary fix for windows users in the MP lobby
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20100421 04:14:14< shadowmaster> shikadibot: repo
20100421 04:14:14< shikadibot> Repository URI: http://svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth
20100421 04:14:31< shadowmaster> shikadibot: authenticated repo you piece of crap
20100421 04:16:52< Gambit> You shouldn't speak to a lady that way.
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20100421 04:21:28< CIA-32> shadowmaster * r42196 /branches/resources/effects/: Create a visual effects resources subbranch per Jetrel's request
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20100421 07:52:03< j0nnY> hi everybody
20100421 07:53:00< j0nnY> does someone know how to install compiled subj (ver 1.8) ? im using debian lenny
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20100421 08:15:00< j0nnY> : found solution by myself. command: checkinstall scons install
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20100421 09:42:36< Ivanovic> moin
20100421 09:47:50< Ivanovic> uhm, who wanted to take care of the inclusion of the new northerners theme? was that shadowmaster or fendrin?
20100421 09:48:17< Ivanovic> the one who created this song wants to appear in the credits as "Stephen Rozanc"
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20100421 10:24:17< Ivanovic> zookeeper, esr: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?15928
20100421 10:37:03< zookeeper> got it
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20100421 10:39:53< Crab_> hi, Darkas
20100421 10:47:34< CIA-32> zookeeper * r42198 /trunk/data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/scenarios/ (02_Peaceful_Valley.cfg 10_Alone_at_Last.cfg): Removed Darken Volk's loyal trait in 'Alone at Last'.
20100421 10:51:07< CIA-32> zookeeper * r42199 /branches/1.8/data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/scenarios/ (02_Peaceful_Valley.cfg 10_Alone_at_Last.cfg): Ported r42198 to 1.8.
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20100421 12:02:33< timotei> hello everybody
20100421 12:03:37< Crab_> hi, timotei
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20100421 12:15:46< misio> hi
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20100421 12:25:04< timotei21> Crab_,I have a question
20100421 12:25:29< timotei21> I've made that patch (sorry for being so late - some projects/exams to do in this weeks)
20100421 12:26:01< timotei21> but if I parse, let's say a file : scenario 1 from tutorial, it gives some errors for non-defined macros
20100421 12:26:16< timotei21> should I... do something so the macros are found?
20100421 12:26:32< timotei21> for example the data/_main.cfg it is read and written to the file succesfully
20100421 12:28:54< Crab_> well, when we read a file, we parse lots of 'common' macroses before.
20100421 12:29:09< timotei21> so I shoul do that too, right?
20100421 12:29:27< timotei21> the ones from: data/core/macros is ok?
20100421 12:31:20< Crab_> yes, you should.
20100421 12:31:26< timotei21> ok
20100421 12:31:40< timotei21> and the second question: what should I use to output to a separate file the contents?
20100421 12:31:42< timotei21> ofstream?
20100421 12:32:17< timotei21> brb switching clients
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20100421 12:41:23< Crab_> timotei: from where you need to output things? from c++ or from java ?
20100421 12:41:34< timotei> C++, the preprocessed files
20100421 12:41:35< timotei> :)
20100421 12:41:42< timotei> that task you gave me
20100421 12:42:23< timotei> is ok to use: scoped_ostream?
20100421 12:43:02< Crab_> yes, if write_file is too high-level for you.
20100421 12:43:29< Crab_> look at it's implementation in any case (src/filesystem.cpp ~640)
20100421 12:43:34< timotei> oh, nice
20100421 12:43:56< timotei> well, I'll use write_file, it seems faster (uses fopen)
20100421 12:44:15< Crab_> ok
20100421 12:44:22< timotei> and yesterday when testing the data/_main.cfg I stayed 3-4 mins until it finished writing it :))
20100421 12:47:39< Crab_> well, 3-4 mins is ok
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20100421 13:16:00< esr> Ivanovic: It's a good point, but I don't know the WML magic for removing a trait.
20100421 13:16:33< zookeeper> esr, i already fixed it
20100421 13:16:45< esr> Ah, OK.
20100421 13:19:36< CIA-32> zookeeper * r42200 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/05_A_Subterranean_Struggle.cfg: Prevent unnecessary undo invalidation when stepping on the cairns and totems.
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20100421 13:26:04< CIA-32> zookeeper * r42201 /branches/1.8/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/05_A_Subterranean_Struggle.cfg: Ported r42200 to 1.8.
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20100421 13:32:39< timotei21> is there any memory stream?
20100421 13:32:51< timotei21> I'm thinking of a way to write the data from the config
20100421 13:33:02< timotei21> I can't find any in filesystem.hpp
20100421 13:37:14< Crab_> timotei21: take a look at src/savegame.cpp, save_index::write_save_index()
20100421 13:37:36< timotei21> thanks
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20100421 13:46:37< billynux> hi Crab_ 
20100421 13:47:43< Crab_> hi, billynux
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20100421 14:26:08< CIA-32> ivanovic * r42202 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth/gl.po wesnoth-did/gl.po wesnoth-dm/gl.po): updated Galician translation
20100421 14:26:14< CIA-32> ivanovic * r42203 /branches/1.8/po/ (wesnoth/gl.po wesnoth-did/gl.po wesnoth-dm/gl.po): updated Galician translation
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20100421 14:48:21< norbert_> hi all
20100421 14:48:40< norbert_> I have a question, do you need help with getting rid of corrupt replays
20100421 14:49:14< Crab_> üç
20100421 14:49:18< Crab_> *yes
20100421 14:50:01< norbert_> is there anyone in particular I should discuss this with, who - for example - has been looking into it already
20100421 14:50:20< Crab_> let's define 'corrupt replay' first...
20100421 14:50:59< Crab_> there can be multiple causes for a corrupt replay, some can be fixed with c++ changes, some are 'already fixed but the replay is hopeless'
20100421 14:51:49< norbert_> with 'already fixed but the replay is hopeless', you're referring to a replay generated with old code, right?
20100421 14:51:54< Crab_> yes
20100421 14:52:17< norbert_> well, I don't care about those replays
20100421 14:52:55< norbert_> I mean code that needs more eyes
20100421 14:53:26< norbert_> take a corrupted replay, check how it must have being generated and what went wrong
20100421 14:53:43< norbert_> *been
20100421 14:54:42< norbert_> unless the bottlenecks are known and just need someones attention
20100421 14:55:01< norbert_> either way, I'm willing to help
20100421 14:55:32< Crab_> c++ help ? or analysis of WML replays ?
20100421 14:55:34< norbert_> I usually code C (with SDL/Xlib/whatever), but I can read C++
20100421 14:55:41< Crab_> ok, good
20100421 14:55:44< norbert_> anything really
20100421 14:58:20< Crab_> norbert_: what do you think about http://wiki.wesnoth.org/NotSoEasyCoding#add_a_mode_to_improve_OOS_detection_in_MP ? will it help detect OOSes (those are usually related to corrupted replays)
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20100421 15:02:28< norbert_> maybe that project needs to be preceded by a project that creates random faulty OOSes? :)
20100421 15:02:54< norbert_> -faulty
20100421 15:03:02< Crab_> norbert_: isn't wesnoth a project which sometimes creates random faulty OOSes :) ?
20100421 15:03:14< norbert_> yeah, but that would be a pain to test code
20100421 15:03:29< norbert_> anyways, I will do it
20100421 15:03:37< norbert_> don't add my name to it, please
20100421 15:03:54< Crab_> well, debug mode can create a unit or change it - that should be enough for OOS to be detected, enough for testing
20100421 15:04:39< Crab_> another good thing to do is to get rid of 'stop unit' action for the ai - it is known that this action (which is a way for the ai to say 'i'm done with this unit', by removing all MP)  can cause OOSes.
20100421 15:05:00< Crab_> it should be replaced for setting a 'user_end_turn' flag on unit, instead of messing with the unit movement points.
20100421 15:05:10< norbert_> I'll focus on the OOS detection
20100421 15:05:11< Crab_> that will remove several potential OOSes, making things more robuts.
20100421 15:05:13< Crab_> ok
20100421 15:06:24< Crab_> good. also, there's problematic area with 'expecting user input across the network' - for example, what if user is issued a 'choice' and then disconnects before the choice is made ? I'm fairly certain that some things will break.
20100421 15:07:35< norbert_> that reminds me of ANL
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20100421 15:31:01< norbert_> Crab_: about stats.wesnoth.org, the SP statistics, and MP statistics
20100421 15:31:13< norbert_> who's in charge? :)
20100421 15:32:15< norbert_> who are the people I should talk to...
20100421 15:32:32< norbert_> you currently handle the SP stats, correct?
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20100421 15:33:15< Ivanovic> we don't really handle them
20100421 15:33:39< Crab_> norbert_: well, stats.wesnoth.org is 'somewhat broken' atm. so, there's no responsible person 'in charge' of it. in 2009, as a gsoc project, an attempt was made to remake stats.wesnoth.org, but it failed in the end due to lack of maintenance.
20100421 15:33:56< Crab_> norbert_: so, we'll be pleased to make use of it, even partially.
20100421 15:34:23< norbert_> okay, because I have time and energy to build stuff
20100421 15:34:38< Crab_> norbert_: for example, I don't mind doing some extra work to do something useful with those stats that are collected.
20100421 15:34:53< norbert_> if I can somehow get daily stats, I will create PHP/MySQL code that displays the data on the addon pages at wsrsw.org
20100421 15:36:03< norbert_> I have ssh/scp access, so a script could upload it; I could give the password to someone in the Wesnoth team
20100421 15:36:21< norbert_> then I could have a script import it into my database, and so on
20100421 15:36:33< Crab_> norbert_: ok, so I'll need to take a look at the 'current' state of things at wesnoth.org, and see what will be the best way to 'handle' them. I think it'll be possible to set up a cron task to upload it in a 'dumped' form via ssh.
20100421 15:36:38< norbert_> or, if it's already in database form, it could be added directly to the MySQL database, since it allows remote access
20100421 15:37:18< norbert_> you don't have MP stats, other than those at replays.w.org, correct?
20100421 15:37:32< Crab_> norbert_: we have server logs, as well.
20100421 15:38:01< Crab_> norbert_: if a good way to anonymize/aggregate the data is available, then it'll be possible to extract something useful from it, as well.
20100421 15:38:57< norbert_> anything you could use from me to get it rolling?
20100421 15:39:13< norbert_> like passwords to the ssh shell or mysql database?
20100421 15:39:42< norbert_> I have enough space for lots of data
20100421 15:39:46< Crab_> well, let me devote some time to do it, first, at the end of this week.
20100421 15:40:04< norbert_> sure thing
20100421 15:40:16< Crab_> ok. I'll tell you the results of my investigation.
20100421 15:40:18< norbert_> meanwhile I'll start looking into OOS detection
20100421 15:40:44< norbert_> can be contacted via the forum; will leave the chat now to visit RL
20100421 15:40:52< norbert_> cu
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20100421 15:50:53< CIA-32> ivanovic * r42204 /trunk/po/wesnoth-editor/gl.po: updated Galician translation
20100421 15:50:55< CIA-32> ivanovic * r42205 /branches/1.8/po/wesnoth-editor/gl.po: updated Galician translation
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20100421 16:20:02< fendrin> Hello
20100421 16:20:53< Crab_> hi, fendrin
20100421 16:21:02< fendrin> Crab_: Hey!
20100421 16:21:24< fendrin> Crab_: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=29670
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20100421 16:44:57< Crab_> fendrin: thanks for pointing out.
20100421 16:45:17< Soliton> Crab_: you could point norbert to the mp_debug code which already does checksum checking for all units.
20100421 16:46:16< Crab_> Soliton: yes, there's some code already done.
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20100421 16:48:05< fendrin> Crab_: Any thoughts?
20100421 16:49:47< Crab_> fendrin: the first step is to convert wesnoth's core to a group of addons. then, allow addons to specify 'dependencies'.
20100421 16:50:08< Crab_> fendrin: then, make the game only load the subset of the addon dependency tree
20100421 16:50:38< Crab_> this will have a nice side effect of allowing us to fix WML-only bugs via a addon update.
20100421 16:51:17< Crab_> (for stable version, that is)
20100421 16:51:21< fendrin> Crab_: Yes, nice plan. 
20100421 16:51:50< fendrin> But that is already in there.
20100421 16:52:21< Crab_> some of the things, yes, might be already in there.
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20100421 17:20:21< timotei> Crab_, I finished the task
20100421 17:20:32< timotei> but one problem on my windows machine, the function create_directory_if_missing
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20100421 17:20:45< timotei> doesn't work as expected, and doesn't create any directory on my harddrive
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20100421 17:21:32< timotei> could you try it on linux?
20100421 17:23:14< Crab_> yes, I can, but not now (I'm at work atm, no linux nearby)
20100421 17:23:29< timotei> and I think why it doesn't work.
20100421 17:23:31< timotei> it uses:
20100421 17:23:34< timotei> e:/work/wesnoth
20100421 17:23:38< timotei> instead of e:\work\wesnoth
20100421 17:24:47< Crab_> well, try to hack it out to see if it's the reason.
20100421 17:24:51< timotei> ok
20100421 17:24:58< Crab_> e.g., just replace the chars in your path and see what'll happen.
20100421 17:25:37< Crab_> don't forget that some chars like "\" are to be \-escaped in strings, if they are interpolated (e.g., they double up as the result)
20100421 17:25:53< timotei> yes
20100421 17:26:02< Crab_> it can be done in a cleaner way, I suppose. but, for now, just to see if it'll work.
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20100421 17:38:28< timotei> well, it doesn't work either
20100421 17:38:34< timotei> be it /  or \
20100421 17:38:53< timotei> I don't know if it's from my windows or in windows general (maybe even in linux)
20100421 17:38:58< timotei> but I'll submit the patch
20100421 17:42:11< Crab_> ok
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20100421 17:49:34< timotei> ok Crab_ sent that
20100421 17:51:41< Crab_> ok, thanks
20100421 17:51:49< timotei> np
20100421 17:52:03< Crab_> timotei: can you pastebin the results of the wmllint run on the macroexpanded mainline, if it's not that big ?
20100421 17:52:17< timotei> oh, ye, I "forgot" about that
20100421 17:52:24< timotei> should that be .. run by me?
20100421 17:52:31< timotei> or by wesnoth?
20100421 17:52:40< Crab_> timotei: by you
20100421 17:52:42< timotei> ok
20100421 17:52:44< timotei> let me
20100421 17:53:01< Crab_> timotei: it's just a interesting test to see what'll happen.
20100421 17:53:05< timotei> okey
20100421 17:53:54< Crab_> timotei: if the data you've saved contained #comments about original line numbers and other debug info, it'll be possible to extend wmllint to take advantage of it
20100421 17:54:10< Crab_> timotei: but, in any case, it might be useful for the eclipse plugin.
20100421 17:58:52< timotei> Crab_, here you go: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/Pz0a1dMb
20100421 17:58:58< timotei> like I see, no "errors"
20100421 17:59:13< timotei> only things about translation mark
20100421 17:59:35< timotei> this is the 1st scenario
20100421 17:59:41< timotei> of tutorial
20100421 18:02:29< Crab_> ok, you've run it on 1st scenario of tutorial ?
20100421 18:02:39< timotei> yes
20100421 18:02:45< timotei> wmlscope is also clear
20100421 18:03:08< timotei> # Wmlscope reporting on Wed Apr 21 19:02:32 2010
20100421 18:03:08< timotei> # Invocation: wmlscope -c -C -l ..\preproc\campaigns\tutorial\scenarios\
20100421 18:03:08< timotei> # Working directory: E:\work\wesnoth\data\tools
20100421 18:03:08< timotei> #Cross-reference time: 0 seconds
20100421 18:03:08< timotei> ..\preproc\campaigns\tutorial\scenarios\1_Tutorial.cfg
20100421 18:03:59< Crab_> ok. what about increasing the scope and running it over the data\campaigns ?
20100421 18:04:20< Crab_> (on the preprocessed data\campaigns, that is)
20100421 18:04:33< timotei> ok, one sec
20100421 18:05:16< timotei> but I'll have to create all those directories...
20100421 18:05:19< timotei> manually
20100421 18:05:32< timotei> since create_directory_if_missing doesn't work
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20100421 18:07:41< Crab_> timotei: should be possible with a 1-line shell script or via a 'copy everything, delete files'
20100421 18:07:51< timotei> ok
20100421 18:08:04< Crab_> timotei: e.g., copy 'data\campaigns', search for all files, sort by 'files first', delete all files from gui.
20100421 18:14:48< timotei> I have a question,after executing the --process command, should wesnoth quit?
20100421 18:14:59< Crab_> yes
20100421 18:15:03< timotei> ok
20100421 18:16:28< shadowmaster> wait.
20100421 18:16:34< timotei> ?
20100421 18:16:37< shadowmaster> create_directory_if_missing() doesn't work?
20100421 18:16:41< timotei> no :(
20100421 18:16:46< timotei> don't know why
20100421 18:16:48< shadowmaster> why, where and when?
20100421 18:16:54< timotei> one sec
20100421 18:20:22< shadowmaster> I must go now. My planet needs me.
20100421 18:20:30< timotei> oh
20100421 18:20:33< timotei> ok
20100421 18:21:03< timotei> 20100421 19:20:21 info filesystem: creating missing directory E:/work/wesnoth/data/preproc/campaigns\tutorial\scenarios\
20100421 18:21:10< timotei> but result is 0
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20100421 18:21:28< shadowmaster> well, od.
20100421 18:21:30< shadowmaster> odd
20100421 18:21:34< timotei> ye
20100421 18:21:42< shadowmaster> maybe Windows doesn't like mkdir calls with trailing slashes/backslashes
20100421 18:21:58< timotei> I used "\" instead of "/"
20100421 18:22:00< timotei> the same thing
20100421 18:22:21< shadowmaster> I mean that you could try replacing "scenarios\" with just "scenarios", removing the trailing slash
20100421 18:22:35< shadowmaster> (just an idea, I don't know...and I don't have a dev environment or Windows at all here)
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20100421 18:23:00< timotei> ok, thanks for the tip, but from command prompt it works with trailing slash
20100421 18:23:05< timotei> but I'll try from wesnoth's code
20100421 18:23:32< shadowmaster> I'd not think that the MKDIR command necessarily passes its argument to mkdir or the Win32 API equivalent unmodified
20100421 18:24:00< shadowmaster> but who knows. I haven't seen the source of cmd.exe.
20100421 18:24:35< timotei> :))
20100421 18:27:59< timotei> shadowmaster, the same thing. It still doesn't work
20100421 18:28:06< timotei> shadowmaster, maybe my windows pc is cursed
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20100421 18:28:52< Aethaeryn> Windows PC??
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20100421 18:29:02< timotei> yes
20100421 18:29:03< Aethaeryn> Just virtualize XP on top of Linux. Much smoother than Vista (or 7)
20100421 18:29:10< timotei> don't think so
20100421 18:29:10< timotei> :P
20100421 18:29:25< timotei> but I'll try it
20100421 18:29:34< timotei> (when I have time)
20100421 18:29:34< Aethaeryn> XP on Linux runs smoother on my computer than Vista natively, and no matter how much fat 7 trimmed off of Vista...
20100421 18:29:43< timotei> well, vista sucks
20100421 18:29:56< timotei> try with win 7
20100421 18:30:24< Aethaeryn> What I'm saying is no matter how much fat Vista trimmed off of 7, XP will still virtualize the best since XP will still have lower requirements than 7.
20100421 18:30:35< Aethaeryn> I only give XP 1 GB of my 4GB of RAM and that's good enough for it.
20100421 18:30:42< Aethaeryn> Way more than the min or even recommended.
20100421 18:31:24< Aethaeryn> Also, no way am I paying for 7... The only reason I am using XP is because I got (a legal copy) for free that wasn't being used.
20100421 18:31:40< timotei> oh:D
20100421 18:31:47< timotei> I don't have to pay for 7
20100421 18:32:23< Aethaeryn> Honestly, I might just wipe 7 when I have to get a new computer and just move over my XP virtual machine.
20100421 18:32:42< Aethaeryn> I think 7 is overrated. Same ugly CPU-intensive translucent theme that Vista has.
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20100421 18:33:51< Aethaeryn> The OS should be transparent background you use to get to your apps... The more CPU used just to run the OS and the more you have to interact or maintain the OS before getting to your apps, the more of a failure the OS is.
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20100421 18:40:15< Aethaeryn> Though honestly, if I didn't virtualize Windows, I'd *really* miss what I'm doing right now... Ctrl+Alt+F2, Ctrl+Alt+F3, etc., to do various console programs and scripts, including IRC itself.
20100421 18:41:04< Aethaeryn> (In other words, running Windows natively means I wouldn't be able to run my irssi outside of a GUI)
20100421 18:41:39< Aethaeryn> oh, sorry, just alt+f2
20100421 18:44:00< Aethaeryn> oh, it's ctrl+alt+F# when in X and just alt+F# when outside of X
20100421 18:44:54< Aethaeryn> because just "alt+f4" trying to switch to console #4 doesn't work out very well :P
20100421 18:45:20< timotei> oh
20100421 18:45:22< timotei> nice:D
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20100421 19:07:42< timotei> Crab_, I will make the command line to have the possibility to parse and entire folder
20100421 19:07:43< timotei> :D
20100421 19:11:50< Crab_> timotei: ok. or you can make --process mode usable with find -print0 :)
20100421 19:12:02< Crab_> depends on how you've structured things.
20100421 19:12:09< timotei> what's print9
20100421 19:12:11< timotei> print0?
20100421 19:13:01< Crab_> see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xargs
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20100421 19:14:21< Crab_> timotei: you can also think about the needs of the eclipse plugin - how you'd want to run wesnoth preprocessor ?
20100421 19:14:36< timotei> sorry, xchat is giving me random errors
20100421 19:14:55< Crab_> timotei: then  " see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xargs "
20100421 19:15:00< timotei> ok
20100421 19:15:02< Crab_> you might had missed that one
20100421 19:19:02< timotei> Crab_, well, xargs and stuff like that works only on linux afais
20100421 19:19:38< Crab_> on windows, too, if you have cygwin or gnu utils.
20100421 19:19:49< Crab_> and on freebsd/macos, they work ok, too.
20100421 19:19:53< timotei> oh, nice then
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20100421 19:20:28< Crab_> timotei: or, you can change the protocol to be "one filename per line"
20100421 19:21:25< Crab_> timotei: then, from eclipse, you'll be able to spawn a wesnoth process, and feed it new file locations, reading output from temporary files or from stdout (logs spam stderr).
20100421 19:21:50< Crab_> timotei: but, more importantly is that you familiarize yourself with wesnoth's preprocessor and it's behavior.
20100421 19:21:58< timotei> yes
20100421 19:22:51< timotei> so, to re-organize, I have 2 choiches: use --process directory/file or use the ability from xargs, and parse the lines/directories from each line/separated by comma 
20100421 19:22:54< timotei> right?
20100421 19:24:54< Crab_> 'separated by space' - basically, that demands process to be the 'last' argument given, and after it, file names will follow.
20100421 19:25:25< Crab_> but, if ''process directory'' is simple enough, just make it happen.
20100421 19:25:28< timotei> well, if separated by space it may/surely conflict with the "data directory" thingy
20100421 19:25:31< Crab_> yes
20100421 19:25:35< timotei> I
20100421 19:25:47< timotei> I'll try with process directory, and see if it works good enough
20100421 19:26:03< timotei> should it be recursive(by default?)
20100421 19:27:21< Crab_> no, I think it should be 'per preprocessor rules'. e.g, exactly as if we had included a single directory in a preprocessor output - e.g., with _main.cfg processing
20100421 19:27:38< timotei> ok
20100421 19:28:08< Crab_> later, you'd also want to include a 'preprocessed header' - (core/macros, etc). for  you, you can preprocess them on each run
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20100421 19:39:35< Sirp> Ivanovic, Soliton: FYI OLM is going to give us more RAM, hopefully shortly
20100421 19:39:42< Ivanovic> okay
20100421 19:41:41< timotei> Crab_, I'll have to go now, I'll be back only in 2-3 days.
20100421 19:42:20< timotei> thanks for your suggestions about the processing thingy
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20100421 21:12:34< CIA-32> ivanovic * r42206 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth-dw/ja.po wesnoth-nr/ja.po wesnoth-thot/ja.po): updated Japanese translation
20100421 21:12:37< CIA-32> ivanovic * r42207 /branches/1.8/po/ (wesnoth-nr/ja.po wesnoth-thot/ja.po): updated Japanese translation
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20100421 21:49:37< Hethrir> Hello
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20100421 22:09:55< Soliton> Sirp: cool. do they have to reboot for that?
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20100421 22:20:21< Ivanovic> Soliton: i expect this
20100421 22:39:15< CIA-32> ai0867 * r42208 /branches/fendrin_pathfind_and_editor/ (55 files in 35 dirs): Merge trunk up to r42207
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20100421 23:45:02< fakedrake> hello
20100421 23:45:05< Hethrir> Hey
20100421 23:45:13< Crab_> hi, fakedrake
20100421 23:45:30< Hethrir> Hey Crab_
20100421 23:45:31< Sirp> Soliton: I would imagine they will have to reboot
20100421 23:46:12< Crab_> hi, Hethrir
20100421 23:46:25< fakedrake> i was having some trouble with my pc but now its is all ok and i am back(i hope) :D
20100421 23:47:31< Hethrir> OS problems?
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20100421 23:50:15< fakedrake> yeah
20100421 23:50:23< fakedrake> some corrupt inodes
20100421 23:50:27< Hethrir> Are you running Linux?
20100421 23:50:31< fakedrake> yes
20100421 23:50:49< Hethrir> Which distro?
20100421 23:50:58< fakedrake> ubuntu
20100421 23:51:21< Hethrir> Ahh
20100421 23:51:27< fakedrake> i noticed it has more problems than debian
20100421 23:51:39< fakedrake> but i seem to be able to fix them more easily
20100421 23:51:43< fakedrake> its a bit weird
20100421 23:52:00< fakedrake> u?
20100421 23:53:34< Hethrir> I run a few
20100421 23:53:43< Hethrir> I run Ubuntu on this computer
20100421 23:54:03< Hethrir> And puppy, Arch Linux, and Linux Mint on another
20100421 23:54:16< Hethrir> (the other is sort of a test machine)
20100421 23:56:22< fakedrake> mint is cool
20100421 23:56:41< fakedrake> i introduced my brother to linux with mint
20100421 23:57:02< fakedrake> (i also have vista for gaming)
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