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20100406 20:01:12< _jbx_> hey guys
20100406 20:01:50< Crab_> hi
20100406 20:02:34< _jbx_> so, I don't want to just jump into the conversation here, but is the plan to revamp the current 1.8 lobby, or rebuild from scratch?
20100406 20:03:45< noy_> Not everybody is here yet
20100406 20:03:55< noy_> Revamp
20100406 20:04:06< noy_> right now we're doing bug fixes
20100406 20:04:49< _jbx_> sure
20100406 20:08:32< noy_> Crab_: do you have a link to that list of bugs and FR?
20100406 20:09:05< noy_> the multiplayer lobby group
20100406 20:11:10< _jbx_> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?go_report=Apply&group=wesnoth&func=browse&set=custom&msort=0&report_id=100&advsrch=0&status_id=1&resolution_id=0&assigned_to=0&category_id=0&bug_group_id=115&history_search=0&history_field=0&history_event=modified&history_date_dayfd=6&history_date_monthfd=4&history_date_yearfd=2010&chunksz=50&spamscore=5&boxoptionwanted=1#options
20100406 20:12:29< noy_> yeah I was hoping it wasn't 14 lines long
20100406 20:13:12< Crab_> yes, i've seen it
20100406 20:13:12< _jbx_> ha
20100406 20:14:32< _jbx_> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?15764  is the most crippling from a user perspective
20100406 20:14:45< noy_> jb nobody is here
20100406 20:14:57< noy_> wait till more people show up and we can have this discussion
20100406 20:15:20< _jbx_> well, waiting may not be an option, here at work
20100406 20:20:53< noy_> sent an email to the dev list
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20100406 20:34:20< noy_> mordante: when does ilor get on?
20100406 20:34:38< mordante> no idea he lives in the same TZ as me
20100406 20:34:43< noy_> hmmm
20100406 20:35:23< noy_> I sent an email to the dev list because I want to get cracking on this
20100406 20:35:51< shadowmaster> I found this strange place because I followed this crazy white talking rabbit
20100406 20:35:54< shadowmaster> er, email
20100406 20:37:24< noy_> yeah, I'd like to get all the people involved, the way I see it it will be Soliton, jb, mordante, ilor, Ivanovic, crab and whomever else wants to contribute to work on this now
20100406 20:38:26< mordante> shadowmaster, I'm in a hurry and don't have time :-P
20100406 20:39:06< shadowmaster> and if you want to turn that n lines long link to the list of lobby bugs (where n > 2), you can use tinyurl
20100406 20:39:18< noy_> mordante: jb thinks that https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?15764 is a critical one.
20100406 20:39:31< noy_> shadowmaster: meh
20100406 20:39:42< shadowmaster> e.g. http://tinyurl.com/wesnoth-lobby-bugs
20100406 20:40:04< noy_> thanks shadowmaster
20100406 20:40:38< Crab_> at least it's not 'wesnoth-lobby-bugs.wesnoth.org' :)
20100406 20:44:16< noy_> Crab_ mordante can you look at that bug and tell me if either of you might be able to address it in the near future?
20100406 20:44:28< Crab_> ok
20100406 20:45:29< noy_> if either of you can't then I'll look to ilor then.
20100406 20:47:01< noy_> _jbx_: is there a bug report for the lack of color in the mp chat text? I don't think there is but I could be wrong
20100406 20:47:41< _jbx_> the autoscroll makes chatting, searching for players, and joining games very frustrating.  Basically, the core functions of the lobby.  Fixing this bug alone will buy enough time to keep the masses from rioting while the other bugs are fixed.
20100406 20:47:48< _jbx_> noy_: that one is about colored font in game
20100406 20:47:55< _jbx_> renaming units/labels
20100406 20:48:19< _jbx_> iirc
20100406 20:48:33< mordante> some autoscrolling can be hack fixed somewhat other parts are harder to do
20100406 20:49:08< mordante> but I need some time to look at it to see what the best solution is
20100406 20:49:16< _jbx_> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?15772  this but is somewhat related to the autoscroll problem as well
20100406 20:49:18< noy_> My perspective is that the list issue on the right hand side is the least important
20100406 20:49:32< noy_> and probably can be left to last
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20100406 20:49:50< mordante> it would maybe be easy to always scroll the chat list to the end
20100406 20:49:54< noy_> The chat problems are probably is the most important issue.
20100406 20:50:04< noy_> but the game list needs to be sorted out
20100406 20:50:14< teaser> hi, https://gna.org/bugs/?15561 should be moved to the new item group too
20100406 20:50:38< Crab_> teaser: ok
20100406 20:51:36< teaser> Crab_: wow, that was quick ;) (just got the confirmation mail)
20100406 20:51:37< noy_> I think involved with the chat + game list we need to also talk about gui
20100406 20:51:46< mordante> how often does bug #15772 happen?
20100406 20:52:23< noy_> Hmm
20100406 20:52:25< noy_> it happens
20100406 20:52:39< noy_> Im not sure but I've noticed it from time to time
20100406 20:53:17< _jbx_> mordante: often enough be make a user experience frustrating
20100406 20:53:25< mordante> the problem sometimes the entire game list is rebuild and the screen resized so the game doesn't remember the previous scrollbar location
20100406 20:53:25< _jbx_> we are a double click society
20100406 20:54:02< noy_> Ivanovic: is there any way I can get admin access to gna so I can assign bug and change priority?
20100406 20:54:07< teaser> (noy: out of context praise - it is nice to get someone outside of the actual coding taking this on as a whole, and not bug by bug)
20100406 20:54:22< mordante> noy_, you only need developer access for that
20100406 20:54:28< noy_> really?
20100406 20:54:40< mordante> yes
20100406 20:54:41< noy_> I might not have that :p
20100406 20:54:51< noy_> teaser: thanks... its just needs to be done
20100406 20:55:31< teaser> I think that is clear now, but I think it was essential that someone saw it and took action
20100406 20:55:41 * teaser back to lurking
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20100406 21:02:01< noy_> hey boucman
20100406 21:02:22< boucman> hey
20100406 21:03:08< boucman> stupid question : did we miss some lobby changes that should have been backported ? i don't think I saw many of these...
20100406 21:03:56< noy_> do you mean reverted?
20100406 21:04:14< boucman> no, backported
20100406 21:04:21< boucman> commited to trunk but not 1.8
20100406 21:04:22< _jbx_> are you talking about lost features?  like autotab player info?
20100406 21:04:42< _jbx_> autotab & player info *
20100406 21:04:48< boucman> no, bugfixes that wouldn't have been commited on both sides
20100406 21:04:56< noy_> yeah... I thought most of them were done mostly to 1.8
20100406 21:05:13< boucman> k
20100406 21:05:14< noy_> boucman: sorry you confused me because I didn't think anything was done to trunk
20100406 21:05:34< boucman> well, bugfixes should be done on both sides obviously :P
20100406 21:14:30< mordante> no all bug fixes I did for 1.8 are both in trunk and 1.8
20100406 21:14:43< boucman> ok, cool
20100406 21:15:51< mordante> I usually backport directly so I can't forget it later ;-)
20100406 21:16:59< noy_> boucman: the focus is to get most of these fixes out asap into stable
20100406 21:17:22< noy_> I don't think we're going to change the functionality of the lobby
20100406 21:17:33< mordante> not for 1.8
20100406 21:17:49< noy_> well even for 1.10
20100406 21:17:50< mordante> and all fixes get in trunk first and then backported to 1.8
20100406 21:18:03< noy_> I think the ideas are good
20100406 21:19:33< boucman> noy_: once we have fixed a couple of highly annoying bugs, it might be worth pushing for an early 1.8.1
20100406 21:19:44< boucman> (but you probably already thought of that)
20100406 21:19:50< noy_> yeah
20100406 21:31:21< noy_> I;m off in a minute
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20100406 21:44:19< noy> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=29469
20100406 21:44:28< noy> if someone wants to add a comment
20100406 21:48:18< Ivanovic> noy: you got no gna account in the developer group?
20100406 21:48:37< Ivanovic> please apply for membership and i can add you in
20100406 21:48:58< noy> I have membership
20100406 21:48:58< noy> its noy
20100406 21:49:04< noy> just no developership
20100406 21:49:19< Ivanovic> no, you got *no* group membership at gna.org
20100406 21:49:32< Ivanovic> oaky, added you
20100406 21:52:10< noy> thanks
20100406 21:53:31< noy> Is there any issue if I start changing around the severity and priority of bugs and frs?
20100406 21:55:03< Soliton> people will notice when you put bugs as blockers but other then that not really.
20100406 21:55:44< noy> Well I think for this area it might help with prioritization
20100406 21:56:58< Soliton> sure, that's always good. people just usually don't have much time for it, i guess.
20100406 21:57:59< noy> yeah I thought in here if we talked about it and agreed on the ones that are an issue... then we'd use the priority system on gna
20100406 21:58:28< noy> anyway...
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20100406 22:51:07< Soliton> do we really need +t on this channel?
20100406 22:51:51< shadowmaster> I don't think it's necessary. The topic is almost never abused anywhere.
20100406 22:52:04< shadowmaster> even in #wesnoth, despite its population.
20100406 22:52:42< Soliton> hmm, there seems to be some KEEPTOPIC flag set.
20100406 22:55:00< shadowmaster> that one's not for locking the topic
20100406 22:55:16< shadowmaster> it is for restoring it after the channel has become empty, etc.
20100406 22:56:35< Soliton> and possibly reverting recent changes.
20100406 22:56:44< Ivanovic> i tried to make it switch topic protection off yesterday, did not seem to work somehow
20100406 22:57:02< Ivanovic> the keeptopic flag should *only* keep the topic if the chan becomes empty
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20100406 22:58:06-!- Soliton changed the topic of #wesnoth-lobbydev to: This channel is dedicated to further improving the Wesnoth Multiplayer Lobby | http://tinyurl.com/wesnoth-lobby-bugs | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org
20100406 22:58:56< shadowmaster> Soliton: that should only occur if someone changes the topic while the services node is splitted away or shut down
20100406 22:59:11< shadowmaster> so far I've never achieved such a race condition in my own channel
20100406 22:59:22< Soliton> yes, i read the help entry.
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20100406 23:09:04< ilor> hi all
20100406 23:09:09< Crab_> hi
20100406 23:18:05< Ivanovic> hi ilor
20100406 23:18:17< Ivanovic> ilor: you saw the mail about the lobby stuff?
20100406 23:19:49< ilor> Ivanovic: yes
20100406 23:20:06< Ivanovic> great
20100406 23:21:07< ilor> I plan to move some things forward on thrusday, busy now and will be busy tomorrow
20100406 23:21:21< ilor> maybe try to push some more during the weekend
20100406 23:22:02< Ivanovic> sounds great
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