--- Log opened Thu Apr 15 00:00:14 2010
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20100415 02:32:39< shadowmaster> ga.
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20100415 02:32:53< shadowmaster> Espreon: 'round?
20100415 02:33:00< Espreon> Of course.
20100415 02:33:21< shadowmaster> yeah, if you were a square I'd have to worry
20100415 02:33:30< Espreon> LOL, hwæt?
20100415 02:33:37< shadowmaster> not the point though
20100415 02:33:38< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/60-Wesnoth-Evolution-0.1.html#c10
20100415 02:33:50< shadowmaster> "but this is not much better than this"
20100415 02:34:06< Espreon> Well, looks like I'm gonna need hax in TSL to get the shroud stuff workin' properly...
20100415 02:34:14< shadowmaster> does that expression even make sense in  English?
20100415 02:34:33< shadowmaster> I don't think it's within my ability to understand IPS
20100415 02:34:48< Espreon> Well, it is plausible... but... not really...
20100415 02:35:22< shadowmaster> anyway he's just revealed that Spanish or  asimilar language is his native tongue
20100415 02:35:33< shadowmaster> s/\sas/a s/
20100415 02:35:58< shadowmaster> look at those cute opening exclamation signs that I'll never understand what they're supposed to be good for: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=421876#p421876
20100415 02:36:11< Espreon> Well, ask the RAE.
20100415 02:36:26< Gambit> shadowmaster: He told us that in his first thread...
20100415 02:36:34< shadowmaster> his IP is from a Venezuelan (?) ISP
20100415 02:36:42< shadowmaster> Gambit: oh really, I don't remember his first thread :P
20100415 02:36:45< Espreon> shadowmaster: Don't like something about the language? Bribe the RAE.
20100415 02:37:10< shadowmaster> first post ?  http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=28024&p=396095#p396095
20100415 02:37:25< shadowmaster> was his first thread in OT? that'd suck :/
20100415 02:37:32< Gambit> I believe so.
20100415 02:38:11< Gambit> Well early on in his forum life.
20100415 02:44:08 * Espreon is really getting a kick out of SSH after reading an article about it...
20100415 02:44:49< shadowmaster> Espreon: what happened now?
20100415 02:45:27< Espreon> According to that article, these guys invented it: http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm139/rprprs/shhh.png
20100415 02:45:45< Espreon> ... and yes, I do pronounce "SSH" as "shhhh" now.
20100415 02:46:04 * shadowmaster hurts Espreon 
20100415 02:46:07< Gambit> Al Gore invented it.
20100415 02:46:12< Espreon> LIES.
20100415 02:46:13< shadowmaster> well, there are actually at least 2 variants f SSH
20100415 02:46:19 * Espreon kicks shadowmaster in the face
20100415 02:46:25 * Espreon kicks Gambit in the face
20100415 02:46:29< shadowmaster> ouch
20100415 02:46:47< shadowmaster> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Shell#History_and_Development
20100415 02:47:13< shadowmaster> also, SSH is awesome for making remote backups via rsync
20100415 02:47:48< shadowmaster> I'm semiregularly backing up shadowm.rewound.net and my irssi config here and the Registry using rsnapshot, which uses rsync, which uses SSH
20100415 02:49:15< shadowmaster> shadowm@bluecore:~/src/frogatto$ sudo du -sh /aux/backup/sys/daily.0/remote/
20100415 02:49:18< shadowmaster> 42M     /aux/backup/sys/daily.0/remote/
20100415 02:49:42< shadowmaster> yes, /aux/backup should ideally be an external hard disk or something ;.
20100415 02:50:02< Espreon> Ugh, shroud is effin' evil...
20100415 02:50:22< Espreon> It can't just be nice and let me manipulate it...
20100415 02:50:26< shadowmaster> but I don't want to have anything to do with hard disks
20100415 03:12:30< shadowmaster> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?13455
20100415 03:12:59< shadowmaster> nice bug title. I found this while searching for old closed bugs
20100415 03:13:00< shadowmaster> rr
20100415 03:13:41 * Espreon cries
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20100415 03:21:56 * Gambit flips shadowmasters shirt up over his face and punches him in the gut. That's another new thing. When you use a contraction before a preposition you get hockey punched. You see the word don't is a contraction, and the word with is a proposition, so you shouldn't say that before you use one of those.
20100415 03:22:16< Espreon> ...
20100415 03:22:43< Espreon> Gambit: Does it matter? English isn't a real language anymore...®
20100415 03:23:07< Espreon> ... it is merely some Frenchie Latin fetishist's wetdream now...
20100415 03:23:28<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: mystic-x * r6943 /trunk/Nightmares_of_Meloen/ (3 files in 2 dirs): longer attack anims, lower volume air/ water/ sand elemental attack sound
20100415 03:23:31< Gambit> Actually it's not a grammar rule at all. It's just a new thing.
20100415 03:23:56< Gambit> We also slap people who use questions ending in one syllable words.
20100415 03:24:13< Espreon> Actually, I do not care.
20100415 03:24:37< Gambit> I figured not.
20100415 03:24:46< Espreon> Damn it, not even this stupid hack is working...
20100415 03:25:02< Espreon> Perhaps I should just resort to using fake shroud in my mf scenarios...
20100415 03:25:05< Espreon> ... for now...
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20100415 03:29:52<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: mystic-x * r6944 /trunk/Nightmares_of_Meloen/sounds/ (elemental-attack-miss.ogg elemental-attack.ogg): lower volume air/ water/ sand elemental attack sound
20100415 03:34:10< Espreon> Wait... crap...
20100415 03:34:18< Espreon> Oh well...
20100415 03:34:24 * Espreon rewrites teh hack...
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20100415 03:50:30< Espreon> ...
20100415 03:50:45< Espreon> OK, now I just really need to accommodate it...
20100415 03:51:22< Espreon> ... let's see... we'll have to also delay the respawn of the enemy units until the new turn...
20100415 03:51:31< Espreon> This is just fucking great...
20100415 04:03:24< Espreon> Someone remind me to kick Crab_/silene/whomever in the face later...
20100415 04:10:35< shadowmaster> Gambit: you dare attack your future boss? :p
20100415 04:10:48< Gambit> :o
20100415 04:10:54< Gambit> You didn't say possible future boss. ;)
20100415 04:11:07< shadowmaster> *possible future boss
20100415 04:11:20< Gambit> No darnit. It's too late for taksies backsies.
20100415 04:11:34< shadowmaster> and attacked me while I was afk, even
20100415 04:12:11< Gambit> I was clearly provoked.
20100415 04:12:31< shadowmaster> contraction, before preposition
20100415 04:12:31< Espreon> LOL, hwæt? Future boss?
20100415 04:12:44< shadowmaster> don't is a contraction
20100415 04:12:55< shadowmaster> with is a preposition...when did I say "don't with"?
20100415 04:13:15< shadowmaster> 20:50:26 <shadowmaster> but I don't want to have anything to do with hard disks
20100415 04:13:22< Gambit> Yes.
20100415 04:13:29< shadowmaster> I don't see it
20100415 04:13:41< shadowmaster> is it a polinomial? because I've just felt in love with polinomials
20100415 04:13:46< Gambit> It doesn't have to follow directly.
20100415 04:14:59< Gambit> "I've" and "with". :P
20100415 04:15:11< Gambit> Actually I used "shouldn't" and "before" earlier.
20100415 04:15:28< Gambit> But that was part of the overly long gag.
20100415 04:15:31< Espreon> Hwy are we talking about this?
20100415 04:16:17< shadowmaster> okay, only one more problem to solve :|
20100415 04:17:12< Gambit> ?
20100415 04:17:32 * Espreon wants Crab_/silene/whomever's head on a platter right now
20100415 04:17:39< Gambit> What'd they do?
20100415 04:17:51< shadowmaster> Espreon: is it because of the overly strict preprocessor?
20100415 04:17:56< Espreon> No.
20100415 04:18:28< Espreon> https://gna.org/bugs/?15600
20100415 04:18:38< Espreon> ... 'twas never implemented...
20100415 04:18:44< Espreon> ... and now I have to cut up one of my children!
20100415 04:19:55< Espreon> Can't we fucking do a stable release right?
20100415 04:20:01< shadowmaster> ....
20100415 04:20:10< shadowmaster> you know, I've been waiting for esr's response for days already
20100415 04:20:15< shadowmaster> regarding beetlenaut :/
20100415 04:20:25< Espreon> Maybe I should just pull TSL from the 1.8 server and never release it for 1.8.
20100415 04:20:27< Espreon> ... again...
20100415 04:20:56< esr> shadowmaster: Sorry, what are you waiting on?
20100415 04:21:15< shadowmaster> well, one day
20100415 04:21:26< shadowmaster> esr:
20100415 04:21:26< shadowmaster> 11:20:48 <shadowmaster> any news from beetlenaut?
20100415 04:21:27< shadowmaster> 11:20:56 <shadowmaster> regarding whether he wants or not to maintain DW in  mainline
20100415 04:21:59< esr> When he tells me, I'll tell you. Or you could ask him directly.
20100415 04:22:05< shadowmaster> well, that's odd.
20100415 04:22:15< shadowmaster> I guess I'll do the latter.
20100415 04:22:46< shadowmaster> esr: and if he doesn't confirm this, who will maintain DW?
20100415 04:22:48< Espreon> ...
20100415 04:22:50< Espreon> Fuck this...
20100415 04:22:55< shadowmaster> (definitely not me!)
20100415 04:23:13< Espreon> Unless Lua can save my ass, fuck 1.8.
20100415 04:23:41< shadowmaster> Espreon: is this for TSL? you can just drop 1.8 support :P
20100415 04:23:57< shadowmaster> for example, I don't think that if I ever get back at AtS I'll continue working on the 1.8 branch.
20100415 04:24:37< Espreon> Yeah, fuck 1.8...
20100415 04:24:50 * Espreon gets the TSL pbl from his flashdrive.
20100415 04:25:00< esr> Espreon: What's got your knickers in a twist?
20100415 04:25:30< Espreon> https://gna.org/bugs/?15600
20100415 04:25:36< esr> Ah.
20100415 04:25:45< Espreon> The 1.8 solution was never fucking implemented...
20100415 04:25:55< Espreon> ... fuck us... we can't fucking do a stable release right.
20100415 04:26:30< shadowmaster> you know, 1.8 is pretty...
20100415 04:26:35< Espreon> Fuck it.
20100415 04:26:41< shadowmaster> ...pretty...
20100415 04:26:47< shadowmaster> I need an adjective
20100415 04:27:00< shadowmaster> (can I say "broken"?)
20100415 04:27:16< Espreon> Unless silene says that Lua'll save my ass, fuck 1.8.
20100415 04:27:24< Espreon> ... now I have to fucking wait for at least one hundred years.
20100415 04:27:55< shadowmaster> Espreon: well, 1.9 would solve your problems?
20100415 04:28:23< Espreon> Yes, it will... once I hound Crab_/silene/whomever to fix this idiotry...
20100415 04:28:33< shadowmaster> hm, k
20100415 04:28:41< Espreon> Where does Crab_ live?
20100415 04:28:49< shadowmaster> then you shouldn't have a problem unless you wanted TSL to be released before 2 months
20100415 04:28:59< Espreon> For silene, I'll go over to Frenchieland and yeah...
20100415 04:29:13< Espreon> Yes, I dare to go to Frenchieland just to have this fixed quickly.
20100415 04:29:35< shadowmaster> I'm not sure but I think Crab lives in Ucrany (?)
20100415 04:29:46< Espreon> Ukraine?
20100415 04:29:48< shadowmaster> that
20100415 04:29:56< Espreon> Meh, fuck that.
20100415 04:30:00< shadowmaster> sorry, I was thinking of "Ucrania" (spanish name)
20100415 04:30:03 * Espreon doesn't speak Slavic moonspeak.
20100415 04:30:12< Espreon> ... even though he is 25% Polish...
20100415 04:30:15< shadowmaster> .ua is probably Ucrania
20100415 04:30:23< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/mcp.php?&f=4&t=29459&p=421722&i=main&mode=post_details&lookup=195.238.92.115#ip
20100415 04:31:03< shadowmaster> er.
20100415 04:31:07< shadowmaster> Ukraine! :P
20100415 04:31:31< Espreon> I think that we shouldn't be allowed to do stable releases until the "final" RC has been in the hands of the public for at least one hundred years.
20100415 04:32:36< Espreon> Instead of "feature freeze" and "string freeze", we'd have the "deidiotization phase"... or whatever.
20100415 04:32:48< Espreon> I can't remember the last time I've been this angry...
20100415 04:33:19< shadowmaster> hm, there was a proposal for a more complex release cycle some time ago IIRC
20100415 04:33:38< Espreon> Let's use that, as our current one is made of fail.
20100415 04:34:04< shadowmaster> the current one is okay but I think it's the priorities that tend to be bogus
20100415 04:34:39< shadowmaster> for example, feature freezing and fixing of the, um, legendary MP lobby was the greatest priority for 1.8's beta and RC stages
20100415 04:34:54< Espreon> If silene isn't here tomorrow... then..... WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
20100415 04:35:01< Espreon> Wait, what's so great about the new lobby?
20100415 04:35:07< shadowmaster> that it's broken?
20100415 04:35:15< shadowmaster> well, not broken, but a regression the size of the moon
20100415 04:35:17< Espreon> Yes, that must be it!
20100415 04:35:26< Espreon> shadowmaster: Remember base-workarounds.cfg?
20100415 04:35:37< shadowmaster> bye autocompletion- I cannot use a MP lobby without autocompletion
20100415 04:35:39< Espreon> ... wasn't that æra fun?
20100415 04:36:23< shadowmaster> tab completion is 1.1.1 feature
20100415 04:36:41< shadowmaster> which disappeared some time between 1.7.0 and 1.8 by accident. Yeah, that sucks :/
20100415 04:36:47< Espreon> If only I could get ssh to connect to my shell account from school...
20100415 04:36:57< Espreon> ... I need to be able to get to silene... no matter what.
20100415 04:37:17< shadowmaster> it makes me wish I ever touched the old MP lobby code so I knew how the lobby works/worked in general
20100415 04:37:28< shadowmaster> I can't spend my time learning how some part of Wesnoth works to fix it atm.
20100415 04:38:00< Espreon> Well, you can look at wesnothxp if you wanna see the old lobby code... but... yeah, you don't have time...
20100415 04:38:53< Espreon> shadowmaster: Will you do me a favor?
20100415 04:39:21< shadowmaster> in other words, we won't mention anything from this conversation in the forums or elsewhere to keep people happy
20100415 04:39:24< shadowmaster> Espreon: what favor?
20100415 04:40:13< Espreon> If that thing, silene comes while I am not around, ask him if his solution for 1.8 (https://gna.org/bugs/?15600) can be done in Lua... in 1.8. If yes, ask him to whip up code for me and put it on a pastebin or something.
20100415 04:40:23< Espreon> Yes, mention that *I* asked.
20100415 04:40:50< shadowmaster> can't you PM him?
20100415 04:40:58< shadowmaster> I'm no messenger bird
20100415 04:41:00 * Espreon rolls his eyes...
20100415 04:41:17< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/ucp.php?i=pm&mode=compose&u=864
20100415 04:41:31< shadowmaster> it doesn't get harder than that for you
20100415 04:41:47< shadowmaster> unless you are using  an IRC client that won't linkify that, of course
20100415 04:41:49< Espreon> Meh, whatever...
20100415 04:42:28< Espreon> Anyway, I really wish that I could access mah shell account from school... oh wellz...
20100415 04:42:51< Espreon> Seven proxies aren't going to help me get onto IRC.
20100415 04:43:02< shadowmaster> Espreon: did you try with all ports?
20100415 04:43:09< shadowmaster> freenode servers listen on ports 6665, 6666, 6667, 8000, 8001 and 8002 for plain-text connections; ports 7000 and 7070 are available for SSL connections 
20100415 04:43:26< shadowmaster> at uni I can use only 7070
20100415 04:43:28< Espreon> Meh, I'll try that.
20100415 04:43:40< Espreon> For SSH, only 443 seems to work.
20100415 04:43:55< Espreon> With other ports, it throws 403s at me.
20100415 04:44:03< Espreon> ... with 443, it throws a 503 at me.
20100415 04:44:15< shadowmaster> ...those are HTTP error codes
20100415 04:44:20< shadowmaster> SSH != HTTP
20100415 04:44:24< Espreon> ...
20100415 04:44:43< Espreon> Well, PuTTY is throwing the errors in my face.
20100415 04:44:54< shadowmaster> okay, then I don't know what's in it
20100415 04:45:16< shadowmaster> 22. That's the lowest SSH port. I mustn't forget that
20100415 04:45:32< Espreon> Any others ports that I can try?
20100415 04:45:33< shadowmaster> 443 is intended for secure HTTP
20100415 04:45:38< Espreon> I know...
20100415 04:45:42< shadowmaster> Espreon: less /etc/services   :P
20100415 04:45:58< shadowmaster> or do you mean for freenode?
20100415 04:46:39< Espreon> No.
20100415 04:46:47< Espreon> I want to access mah shell account...
20100415 04:47:03< shadowmaster> it varies depending on what ports the sshd is listening to
20100415 04:47:12< Espreon> OK, let us see...
20100415 04:47:27< shadowmaster> try nmap or something I guess
20100415 04:47:43< Espreon> No, I meant on our server.
20100415 04:47:50< shadowmaster> and sorry for nmaping ai0867.net
20100415 04:48:32< Espreon> Do we really need 443 over there to be used for https?
20100415 04:49:00< shadowmaster> no unless that box is running a httpd with SSL support
20100415 04:49:19< Espreon> Hmmmm...
20100415 04:49:19< shadowmaster> wait, what's "there"?
20100415 04:49:25< Espreon> Our server.
20100415 04:49:28< shadowmaster> more specifically, what machine is "there- ah
20100415 04:49:30< shadowmaster> ask AI0867 
20100415 04:49:52< Espreon> I wish he were here... :(
20100415 04:50:00< shadowmaster> hey, what do we have a svn proto port open for?
20100415 04:50:25< shadowmaster> more speficially, why do we have a svnserve instance?
20100415 04:51:00< shadowmaster> and why am I not the first staffer mentioned in the topic, umcreg?!
20100415 04:52:32< shadowmaster> well, svnserve uses just a bit more than 1 MiB of RAM so that hsouldn't be a problem
20100415 04:53:20< shadowmaster> although it remains to be seen why AI0867 has a SVN instance instead of adhering to our church's beliefs, namely the "SVN sucks" part
20100415 04:54:50< Espreon> OK, I PM'd silene... if this doesn't do anything, then fuck 1.8.
20100415 04:55:42< shadowmaster> wtf, my classmate will never answer my emails
20100415 04:55:55< Espreon> If I am dropping 1.8 support... then... awesome... I can eradicate all of those morbidly obese backports...
20100415 04:56:00< shadowmaster> so at the end of the night he'll have plenty of spam from me in his inbox :|
20100415 04:56:37< shadowmaster> I'm not being filtered as a spambot, I hope.
20100415 04:57:34< shadowmaster> I mean, how many spambots out there sign their messages with a fucking detached OpenPGP signature I mean?
20100415 05:01:05< shadowmaster> and what do I want viagra for? :/
20100415 05:03:00< shadowmaster> also does anyone truly believe that people still use clients subject to empty email DoS?
20100415 05:03:49 * shadowmaster stops looking at his spam box before the insanity takes over his mind
20100415 05:04:43< shadowmaster> also, "All times are UTC - 4 hours [ DST ]" what the hell?
20100415 05:05:17< shadowmaster> argh, I didn't disable DST for my forum account and I didn't notice during all this time
20100415 05:16:12< Espreon> Meh, I could have made my über hack work by creating a dummy leader for side one... but... it was just... eeeewwwww...
20100415 05:36:18< Gambit> shadowmaster: How'd you get so many spambots anyways?
20100415 05:36:29< shadowmaster> on my email?
20100415 05:36:33< Gambit> Yeah.
20100415 05:36:36< shadowmaster> well, my address is everywhere
20100415 05:36:47< shadowmaster> and I know it. I decided to not hide it from the world.
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20100415 05:56:53 * Espreon wonders where AI0867 is...
20100415 05:58:58< shadowmaster> at the very least, sleeping
20100415 05:59:07< Espreon> This sux.
20100415 05:59:13< shadowmaster> it's 11:58 pm at UTC-04:00, and he lives at UTC+01:00 IIRC
20100415 05:59:26< shadowmaster> so it must be 5 am
20100415 05:59:36< Espreon> We all know that silene is going to reply "Hell no."
20100415 05:59:40< Espreon> ... so... yeahz...
20100415 05:59:50< shadowmaster> silene never says "no"
20100415 05:59:50< Espreon> (To my PM)
20100415 06:00:06< Espreon> ...
20100415 06:00:08< shadowmaster> he'll give you a long lecture about whyit's not a good idea
20100415 06:00:15< shadowmaster> or why he doesn't like it
20100415 06:00:24< shadowmaster> or why it could be unoptimal.
20100415 06:00:25< shadowmaster> etc.
20100415 06:00:59< Espreon> The solution described in that bug report is far superior to that über hack I was implementing...
20100415 06:23:21< shadowmaster> well, stupid laptop
20100415 06:23:36< shadowmaster> these "touch" thingies...multimedia keys that you touch rather than press
20100415 06:23:43< shadowmaster> they are acting up again.
20100415 06:24:02< shadowmaster> it insists on raising the speakers' volume from 0% to 42%
20100415 06:27:30< Espreon> Oh wow...
20100415 06:29:33< shadowmaster> I didn't title that series "ATI mayhem" just because of the radeon mess, you know
20100415 06:29:51< shadowmaster> I haven't ever mentioned the bunch of crap that the libata driver detects
20100415 06:30:12< shadowmaster> "softreset failed" "softreset failed" "softreset failed" "softreset failed"... DAMMIT
20100415 06:41:32< shadowmaster> foprutantely an update of pm-utils seems ot have helped with the random kernel panics when the system is under load
20100415 06:41:47< shadowmaster> I've even beennable to suspend to RAM with active running virtual machines
20100415 06:42:56< shadowmaster> that doesn't remove the fact that tlibata fieels the nee to spam me about a dumb motherboard on every boot/resume-from-suspend/disk reactivation in general
20100415 06:44:08< shadowmaster> http://pastebin.com/5XJGfycQ
20100415 06:45:49< shadowmaster> it feels like it's the touchpad that is triggering that broken interrupt that triggers the multimedia "keys"
20100415 06:46:07< shadowmaster> where's Aeth when I need people to appreciate my text walls
20100415 06:50:14< shadowmaster> let's see what happens if I S3 righ tnow
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20100415 07:16:52< shadowmaster> esr: re http://www.catb.org/esr/ciabot/
20100415 07:17:02< shadowmaster> ciabot.py gives me a HTTP 500 when I try to get it
20100415 07:17:21< shadowmaster> you may want to make sure your server doesn't try to run that as a CGI script
20100415 07:17:57< shadowmaster> ciabot.sh can be downloaded correctly as I expected
20100415 07:18:54< esr> shadowmaster: I've sent a complaint to my admins. You can get the Python from the git git repository, it's in contrib/
20100415 07:19:14< esr> (I had fun writing it.)
20100415 07:19:21< shadowmaster> I imagine..
20100415 07:19:29< shadowmaster> "git git", heh
20100415 07:19:47< esr> You would prefer perhaps git**2?
20100415 07:19:56< shadowmaster> esr: also, have you poked BearPerson to update the cia.vc docs to point at these?
20100415 07:20:12< esr> Yes, but AFAIK he hasn;'t done it.
20100415 07:20:27< esr> CIA.vc is...not exactly well maintained.
20100415 07:20:36< shadowmaster> I guess he'll need a hundred reminders to get to it
20100415 07:20:40< shadowmaster> yeah, agreed
20100415 07:21:13< shadowmaster> and it'd be nice if someone with the time and infrastructure helped solve that :(
20100415 07:21:34< esr> My sort of thing, but I'm too busy.
20100415 07:22:37< shadowmaster> s/infra\w+/resources/
20100415 07:28:19< Espreon> Goodnight peoplez...
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20100415 07:29:41< shadowmaster> I shall do likewise
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20100415 14:12:54< shadowmaster> meh
20100415 14:13:24< shadowmaster> I'm pretty sure mordante rejected my offer when I wanted to help him during 1.5.x
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20100415 14:44:39< shadowmaster> eh, phpBB doesn't provide a way to check what uids have a particular title associated to them and that needs to be fixed... somehow
20100415 14:44:54< shadowmaster> note for self: run a mysql query about this after lab
20100415 15:06:05< Gambit> You can sort the members list by rank.
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20100415 15:21:06 * shadowmaster raises eyebrow
20100415 15:21:13< shadowmaster> fascinating
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20100415 16:03:27< Gambit> shadowmaster: faster than querying the database...
20100415 16:15:58< shadowmaster> more visually satisfying at least
20100415 16:16:14< shadowmaster> it still involves (more) database queries, internally
20100415 16:19:50< Gambit> Well yeah.
20100415 16:20:36< Gambit> Wait; more?
20100415 16:20:47< Gambit> It would still just be one wouldn't it?
20100415 16:22:31< Gambit> Assuming all that sort of user information is still in the same table.
20100415 16:27:03< Gambit> shadowmaster: Off Topic -> The Cafeteria
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20100415 16:59:03< shadowmaster> Gambit: it is more queries because it needs to then resolve the ranks' strings
20100415 16:59:17< shadowmaster> only the ranks' ids are assigned to the users in the database
20100415 17:01:03< Gambit> So there is a seperate table of all the ranks? That's a retarded setup.
20100415 17:01:22< Gambit> I guess phpbb wasn't setup with users setting their own titles in mind.
20100415 17:01:33< shadowmaster> yeah, or at least not 3.0.x
20100415 17:01:49< shadowmaster> anyway, that's just a taste of more general retardness in phpBB's design.
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20100415 17:52:22< shadowmaster> pah, Gmbit left
20100415 17:52:41< shadowmaster> oh, hi noy, been busy lately?
20100415 17:52:46< noy> yes
20100415 17:53:30< noy> missed lots I assume?
20100415 17:54:36< shadowmaster> well, probably.
20100415 17:54:40< shadowmaster> Sauron's returned.
20100415 17:55:12< shadowmaster> I'd like to avoid moderating him for now, though.
20100415 17:55:41< noy> so I noticed
20100415 17:57:37< AI0867> shadowmaster: I have an svnserve instance as a project group at university insisted on SVN rather than something better, and all the tortoise* stuff is misconfigured (that is, for ssh or https, plink needs to accept the certificate, for that it needs admin rights, so it hangs)
20100415 17:57:50< AI0867> so, for the windows users, I have an svnserve so they can at least look at the code
20100415 17:57:59< shadowmaster> ah.
20100415 17:58:06< AI0867> though I just started it a month ago, apparently it still runs
20100415 17:58:19< shadowmaster> well, we haven't died yet
20100415 17:58:31< shadowmaster> I mean, there have been no massive OOM deaths for a long while
20100415 17:59:08< shadowmaster> sure, there were some routing problems a few weeks ago that disconnected us and the bots, but nothing was really killed
20100415 17:59:58< shadowmaster> nonetheless, you are now in the moral obligation to report to whoever's in charge that SVN sucks and they should consider using Mercurial or something
20100415 18:00:10< shadowmaster> :P
20100415 18:00:54< shadowmaster> I didn't expect "SVN sucks" to throw relevant results in Google, but...
20100415 18:02:49< shadowmaster> and "SVN blows" gives my blog post #48 as second result
20100415 18:02:51< timotei> shadowmaster, is git available on windows?
20100415 18:02:57< shadowmaster> yes
20100415 18:03:03< timotei> and it works good enough?
20100415 18:03:12< shadowmaster> no idea, I've nt used it except for cloning.
20100415 18:03:19< shadowmaster> I think YogiHH uses it for production, though
20100415 18:04:11< timotei> ok
20100415 18:04:27< timotei> I'm thinking of using it, so I can commit locally
20100415 18:04:40< timotei> do you know any good starting tutorials?
20100415 18:04:47< shadowmaster> for git in general?
20100415 18:04:59< timotei> yes
20100415 18:05:12< timotei> the concepts and stuff like this, how is generally used
20100415 18:05:31< shadowmaster> no, not really. I used some devs' help, and the docs from the Debian git-docs package (taken from Git's fficial distro) for reference
20100415 18:05:44< timotei> aha
20100415 18:05:49< shadowmaster> there's probably mre useful documentation for newbies out there
20100415 18:06:43< shadowmaster> timotei: http://git-scm.com/documentation
20100415 18:07:00< timotei> ok, thank you
20100415 18:07:12< timotei> uou, there are books for git
20100415 18:07:15< timotei> that's nice
20100415 18:07:25< shadowmaster> just as there's a BFB for SVN
20100415 18:07:34< shadowmaster> shikadibot: svnbook
20100415 18:07:34<+shikadibot> shadowmaster: For more information on using SVN, read the free SVN book [http://svnbook.red-bean.com/].
20100415 18:07:51< shadowmaster> that's the turtle book IIRC
20100415 18:08:57< timotei> well, I'm a bit surprised as I didn't know there is so much to learn on using svn/git
20100415 18:09:52< shadowmaster> admitedly, from the turtle book you'll most likely need to read just a few sections of a particular chapter I forgot
20100415 18:10:12< shadowmaster> the rest is good for praying, er, reading about stuff you only need once or twice, like svn merge, etc.
20100415 18:10:39< shadowmaster> this reminds me I want to buy it and burn it at the park
20100415 18:11:31< shadowmaster> preferably holding a large sign that reads "SVN SUCKS".
20100415 18:11:42< timotei> :))
20100415 18:34:03< AI0867> shadowmaster: you run maple in XP?
20100415 18:34:08< AI0867> xmaple works fine here
20100415 18:34:19< shadowmaster> but not here
20100415 18:34:32< shadowmaster> and the classic worksheet is what I need to run anyway, not the standard worksheet (xmaple)
20100415 18:34:37< shadowmaster> (classic: maple -cw)
20100415 18:34:53< shadowmaster> however, it doesn't integrate well with modern X.org apps and it tends to crash for no reason.
20100415 18:35:02< shadowmaster> and the standard worksheet stopped working at all
20100415 19:23:49< shadowmaster> lack of integration here == broken clipboard support
20100415 19:23:58< shadowmaster> and I *need* the clipboard
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20100415 20:14:12< shadowmaster> I'm hungry
20100415 20:14:24< shadowmaster> now I remember I never had lunch yesterday :/
20100415 20:14:30< timotei> need some mcdonald's stuff?:D
20100415 20:14:48< timotei> http://www.babybites.info/2010/03/03/1-year-happy-meal/
20100415 20:15:00< timotei> I would never ever eat again from mcDonald's
20100415 20:17:31< shadowmaster> hm.
20100415 20:18:09< shadowmaster> anywy.
20100415 20:18:35< shadowmaster> I could go get some junk food here at uni (??????) but I want to eat actual fod
20100415 20:18:38< shadowmaster> food.
20100415 20:19:15< timotei> oh
20100415 20:19:17< shadowmaster> I want seafood, to be specific. And yes, even when stuck in the bed after a surgery, I still don't eat any crap that's at home unless I Like it
20100415 20:19:44< shadowmaster> for example, there's always red meat. I hate red meat. I want to eat turkey. Fish. Shrimp. 
20100415 20:20:03< timotei> fish is lovely
20100415 20:20:15< timotei> never ate seafood
20100415 20:20:23< timotei> only some squids and calmars
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20100415 20:20:46< timotei> from the ... cann
20100415 20:20:47< timotei> can*
20100415 20:23:17< shadowmaster> in the same vein, eating fried stuff too often makes my stomach go boom
20100415 20:23:27< shadowmaster> e.g. vomit
20100415 20:23:43< timotei> :(
20100415 20:23:46< shadowmaster> same with drinking coffee too many times per day
20100415 20:23:49< timotei> unpleasant
20100415 20:23:57< timotei> you ate too much fried stuff?
20100415 20:24:00< timotei> in your life?
20100415 20:24:07< shadowmaster> hm not that I remember.
20100415 20:24:10< timotei> or is just your stomach that's a bit sensible?
20100415 20:24:15< shadowmaster> it must be that
20100415 20:24:43< timotei> I'm trying not to follow up my sis' eating all day long fried potatoes :))
20100415 20:25:05< timotei> you know what? drink tea
20100415 20:25:16< shadowmaster> yeah, I drink tea all the day when I'm at home
20100415 20:25:21< timotei> I don't know where you live, but in Romania, there are a plently of "naturist" teas
20100415 20:25:32< timotei> without even sugar and stuff, just boiled water+ plants
20100415 20:26:49< shadowmaster> we can say that nowadays I don't dare to eat anything I find out there.
20100415 20:27:02< shadowmaster> which is why my stomach is empty almost 95% of the time I'm not at home
20100415 20:27:04< timotei> how old are you btw?
20100415 20:27:10< shadowmaster> 20
20100415 20:27:17< timotei> well, that's nice. me too :P
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20100415 22:51:02< Espreon> Yup, fuck 1.8.
20100415 22:53:02< Espreon> Hmmmm... what to do... what to do...
20100415 22:56:07< zookeeper> ah, i've been thinking a bit what kind of a frogatto level i'd try making, but i finally settled on a single big mountain (climb up one side, descend the other side)
20100415 22:56:14< zookeeper> oops, wrong channel
20100415 22:57:34< Espreon> Meh, I'll just remove TSL from the 1.8 server.
20100415 22:58:00< Espreon> Not having to support 1.8 means that I can just get rid of all of those backports and have much moar time...
20100415 22:58:19< Espreon> 'Twill be awesome.
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