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20100416 02:14:50< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: thank you.
20100416 02:15:05< Aethaeryn> Windows XP virtualized actually runs smoother than Windows Vista native on my computer.
20100416 02:15:23< Aethaeryn> I can finally do my psychology homework without booting into my piece-of-shit partition
20100416 02:15:35< Aethaeryn> you have saved me from several hours of frustration
20100416 02:15:38< Aethaeryn> a week
20100416 02:16:26< Aethaeryn> the sad thing is that Windows XP in a virtual machine is updating smoother than Windows Vista on my real hard drive... Vista SP2 (or is it SP3? idk if they have that yet) never installed properly on my computer...
20100416 02:17:43< Aethaeryn> so yeah, thanks for telling me about virtualbox
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20100416 03:29:44< Aethaeryn> Just the updates gets me 8.07 GB full, 1.91 GB free.
20100416 03:30:29< Aethaeryn> I installed Mozilla Firefox, Google Chrome, and all the updates to Windows XP. Nothing else.
20100416 03:30:41< Aethaeryn> That's how much of a space-waster Windows is, and this is the older one and not Vista :P
20100416 03:32:05< Espreon> Well, of course.
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20100416 03:54:12< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: ...no problem, but I have no idea what I did for you? :P
20100416 03:57:30< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: didn't you tell me something along the lines of "use virtualbox, qemu sucks"?
20100416 03:57:39< Aethaeryn> 'cuz virtualbox is much more polished/integrated/easy
20100416 03:57:42< Gambit> Espreon: Well you've just been f***ing it so much. :)
20100416 03:57:55< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: yeah
20100416 03:58:00< Gambit> shadowmaster: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=422131#p422131
20100416 03:58:13< Espreon> Gambit: It beeth a lie.
20100416 03:58:15< Gambit> Guarenteed to make you either laugh or cry.
20100416 03:58:16< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: ah, I see you had fun with Windows XP + VBox
20100416 03:58:41< Aethaeryn> had fun, ate up 9 GB of space
20100416 03:58:45< shadowmaster> Gambit: it makes me want to destroy IPS
20100416 04:02:21< Aethaeryn> is there an easy way to move stuff onto the virtual hard disk?
20100416 04:02:49< shadowmaster> have you tried shared folders?
20100416 04:03:13< Aethaeryn> I don't know the difference between "Machine" and "Transient"
20100416 04:03:26< shadowmaster> "Machine" are those that are permanent and belong to the VM's config
20100416 04:03:39< shadowmaster> "Transient" are those that you've set up temporarily for the remainder of the VM session
20100416 04:03:48< Aethaeryn> ah
20100416 04:04:06< shadowmaster> when adding a new shared folder on a running VM you have the option to select "Make permanent" in the dialog box
20100416 04:05:14< shadowmaster> so if you trust VirtualBox and the guest OS, you can set up something like a read/write shared volume between the guest and the host by mapping part of the host file system to a shared folder, which in Windows you can mount as a separate drive using a Windows Explorer option...
20100416 04:05:25< shadowmaster> in the Tools menu IIRC, but I don't know the name in Englih
20100416 04:05:55< Aethaeryn> ok, set a folder.
20100416 04:06:24< Aethaeryn> Just a folder.
20100416 04:06:40< Aethaeryn> how do I get it to show up and/or where does it show up?
20100416 04:07:14< shadowmaster> right click on My COmputer
20100416 04:07:19< shadowmaster> map network drive
20100416 04:07:37< shadowmaster> assign it the letter you want, and the resource path is \\vboxsvr\WhateverNameYouSpecifiedInVBox
20100416 04:08:05< shadowmaster> you'll probably want to select the option to mount it on Windows logon
20100416 04:08:15< shadowmaster> if it's a permanent shared folder, that is
20100416 04:10:10< Aethaeryn> yeah
20100416 04:10:47< Aethaeryn> Virtualization > wine
20100416 04:10:49< Aethaeryn> by a million
20100416 04:11:16< shadowmaster> it's almost the same thing as running applications natively, though
20100416 04:11:26< Aethaeryn> as long as you don't want anything really too fancy
20100416 04:11:40< Aethaeryn> I suppose if you had a really nice computer, maybe even a server, you could do really good virtualization
20100416 04:11:59< shadowmaster> well, there are providers who make their business based on virtualization
20100416 04:12:08< Aethaeryn> hmm, it seems as if my Windows XP windows are "always on top" though
20100416 04:12:23< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: seamless mode?
20100416 04:12:25< Aethaeryn> yeah
20100416 04:12:31< Aethaeryn> is that just because xfce isn't fully supported and I should try kde/gnome or is it a common issue?
20100416 04:12:36< Aethaeryn> or is it some setting?
20100416 04:12:41< shadowmaster> um.
20100416 04:12:59< shadowmaster> I believe it worked fine with KDE 4 here, but a problem with WM support isn't unlikely
20100416 04:13:17< shadowmaster> it could also have to do with the X.org version
20100416 04:13:50< shadowmaster> I don't want to touch the Windows XP SP3 VM right now thugh, until I install more RAM
20100416 04:13:57< shadowmaster> (to the host, that is)
20100416 04:14:57< Aethaeryn> ah, I have 4 gb ram
20100416 04:15:01< Aethaeryn> so RAM is not an issue
20100416 04:15:05< Aethaeryn> capitalization is, though ;)
20100416 04:16:05< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: hmm, do you think I could rip a cd to spoof having the cd in to fool old-school games that didn't have fancy copy-protection mechanisms?
20100416 04:16:24< Aethaeryn> in other words, have the VM detect an iso as if the CD is in there, but it's just on the HD
20100416 04:16:39< shadowmaster> you can do that without the VM, you know
20100416 04:16:57< Aethaeryn> technically it would be much simpler to just download the "nocd" modified .exe
20100416 04:17:00< Aethaeryn> that any popular old game has
20100416 04:17:11< shadowmaster> mount /path/to/iso /mnt -o loop,ro -t iso9660
20100416 04:17:33< shadowmaster> and then convince WINE to pretend /mnt is a CD drive
20100416 04:18:11< shadowmaster> but yes, you can just rip the ISO in the host and mount it on VBox as well
20100416 04:18:45< shadowmaster> in fact I've done that with a few CDs or DVDs I often use so I don't have to carry a crapload of discs with me when I leave home
20100416 04:20:06< Aethaeryn> hmm, I seem to have found an issue.
20100416 04:20:15< Aethaeryn> old games don't stretch out like they would in Windows.
20100416 04:20:42< Aethaeryn> So they don't have native resolution better than 1024xwhatever and so they just appear as a square in the center
20100416 04:20:53< Aethaeryn> but if you were to run them in windows, for whatever reason, they fill the screen still
20100416 04:22:16< shadowmaster> that's probably the lack of DirectDraw accel or something
20100416 04:22:28< Aethaeryn> meh :(
20100416 04:22:34< shadowmaster> also, warning: DirectDraw clients lag the VM controllerhere until it becomes unusable in a few seconds
20100416 04:22:36< Aethaeryn> would've thought old 2d games would run find
20100416 04:23:01< shadowmaster> enabling 3D acceleration and installing the experimental drivers doesn't help with this (yet)
20100416 04:23:58< shadowmaster> the only way to shut down the VM afterwards is killing VirtualBox, which you don't want to do if Windows recently wrote stuff to disk
20100416 04:24:22< Aethaeryn> meh, whatever, too much hassle for now to try to find a simpler fix
20100416 04:24:29< Aethaeryn> I'll just stick to good ol' Wesnoth
20100416 04:26:08< Aethaeryn> brb, going to reboot and see if GNOME supports seamless better (i.e. treating windows like windows and not always on top)
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20100416 04:36:55< Aethaeryn> okay, found the problem.
20100416 04:37:00< Aethaeryn> a recent update must've broke mutter
20100416 04:37:07< Aethaeryn> had to disable desktop effects and now GNOME works fine
20100416 04:37:58< Aethaeryn> and yeah, it was just xfce. seamless works fine in gnome 
20100416 04:38:42< shadowmaster> I guess KDE and GNOME are the primary testing targets
20100416 04:38:49< shadowmaster> and Win32k
20100416 04:39:54< Aethaeryn> emulating winxp on winxp
20100416 04:39:57< Aethaeryn> that must be interesting
20100416 04:40:45< Espreon> This irssi + screen stuff is fun...
20100416 04:40:56< Aethaeryn> welcome to many, many years ago :P
20100416 04:40:59< shadowmaster> Espreon: what are you doing?
20100416 04:41:16< shadowmaster> Espreon: wait, you got AI0867's permission?
20100416 04:41:28< un214> I remember when to get wesnoth to behave I had to give it its own X instance
20100416 04:41:28< shadowmaster> (you happen to be stealing my precious rum)
20100416 04:41:32< shadowmaster> (er, RAM)
20100416 04:41:42< Espreon> Yeah, he didn't mind.
20100416 04:42:38< Espreon> Yeah, I kinda need all of this crap to talk with you people at school.
20100416 04:42:43 * Espreon loves SSH.
20100416 04:43:17< Espreon> shadowmaster: As you can see, we have another sshd process...
20100416 04:43:21< shadowmaster> I guess I'll be seeing more often
20100416 04:43:21< Espreon> ... that's for me... :)
20100416 04:43:26< shadowmaster> *seeing you more often
20100416 04:43:29< Espreon> Indeed.
20100416 04:43:37< shadowmaster> what's the difference with the sshd process? I was talking about the irssi instance
20100416 04:43:51< Espreon> It is run as "sshd -p 443"
20100416 04:43:57< shadowmaster> ah, the port
20100416 04:45:13< shadowmaster> well, since you'll be using irssi you might want to link the screenaway.pl script from /usr/share/irssi/scripts into ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun
20100416 04:45:28< Espreon> I love these guys (the supposed inventors of SSH): http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm139/rprprs/shhh.png
20100416 04:45:41< shadowmaster> and play around with it
20100416 04:45:58< Espreon> Meh, I'll play around with irssi configs, scripts, et cætera another day.
20100416 04:45:59< shadowmaster> that is, if you want to mark yourself as away whenever the screen's detached
20100416 04:47:24< Espreon> The high point of today was getting the ability to do this from school and enabling UTF-8 in everything.
20100416 04:48:24< Espreon> On Monday, I shall attempt to use corkscrew to get SVN and git to... yeah...
20100416 04:48:41< Espreon> Sadly, I have to go to the nation's ghetto tomorrow.
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20100416 04:54:23< shadowmaster> bleh.
20100416 04:54:35< shadowmaster> stupid connection. HTTP POSTs tend to time out
20100416 04:55:21< shadowmaster> well, HTTP transactions in general, but POSTs seem to involve more sent data 
20100416 04:55:40< shadowmaster> POSTs for forum posts, tobe specific
20100416 04:57:03< shadowmaster> oh, wow, the conclusion to this thread is horrible : http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=29498&start=15
20100416 04:57:26< shadowmaster> another one and PeterPorty will get a warning from me :|
20100416 04:57:39< Espreon> LOL, fanboys.
20100416 04:58:37< shadowmaster> I don't want to ban fanboys, but I don't really like that behavior and I wish I had noticed that thread before
20100416 04:58:44< shadowmaster> *I really don't like
20100416 04:59:31< shadowmaster> wait, who am I trying to fool? I hate fanboys, aI want to ban them
20100416 04:59:37< shadowmaster> *and I
20100416 04:59:48< shadowmaster> I'm mutating into woodmouse with all these typos :|
20100416 05:01:08< un214> recall the guy whose username was "username" and whose password was "password" ?
20100416 05:01:49< shadowmaster> ...no?
20100416 05:02:12< shadowmaster> was there such a thing? o  O
20100416 05:02:40< un214> before your time.
20100416 05:03:09< shadowmaster> you are saying that I'm too young for this job?! *cue lightning*
20100416 05:03:22< un214> it was around the 1.2 era
20100416 05:03:36< un214> I don't recall you until around 1.4
20100416 05:03:37< shadowmaster> unbelivably: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&un=username
20100416 05:03:49< shadowmaster> I joined around the 1.2 era, but later than that
20100416 05:04:04< shadowmaster> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&un=shadowmaster
20100416 05:04:46< shadowmaster> un214: anyway, what's up with that guy?
20100416 05:05:08< shadowmaster> (besides "should be banned")
20100416 05:06:00< shadowmaster> *was banned
20100416 05:07:04< shadowmaster> um, "a@a.a"
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20100416 05:07:18< un214> shadowmaster: bugmenot account (pseudo-anonymous account)
20100416 05:07:42< shadowmaster> bugmenot: the requested user doesn't exist
20100416 05:08:08< un214> not anymore
20100416 05:09:28< shadowmaster> un214: shadowmaster 190.22.74.182 March 12th, 2009, 1:09 pm
20100416 05:09:37< shadowmaster> Deleted inactive users: [...] bugmenot [...]
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20100416 05:11:14< un214> so long as I'm here I'm not sure about branching for UMC campaigns
20100416 05:11:39< shadowmaster> is your add-on going to stick to Wesnoth trunk (1.9.x), or will you maintain the 1.8 version?
20100416 05:11:47< un214> 1.8 for quite awhile
20100416 05:12:20< shadowmaster> in such case I'll just branch it into branches/1.8 and you just have to svn switch --relocate  your checkout
20100416 05:13:15< un214> well that will make for some fun as I'll probably end up using branches/1.8 as trunk until I go myself to 1.9
20100416 05:15:34< un214> ah well who cares
20100416 05:15:49< shadowmaster> I care
20100416 05:18:55< un214> I'm trying to think and I admit I'm not really up on branches
20100416 05:19:31< shadowmaster> Espreon: ?
20100416 05:19:43< Espreon> Yes?
20100416 05:20:09< shadowmaster> can you explain branching to un214 ? ;)
20100416 05:20:39< un214> I know what branching is ...
20100416 05:20:45<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r6945 /branches/1.8/Story_of_Wose/: 
20100416 05:20:45<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: Admin: branching add-on "Story of Wose" according to mainline project status
20100416 05:20:45<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: Path: trunk @ r6811 -> branches/1.8
20100416 05:21:09< Espreon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trunk_%28botany%29
20100416 05:21:16< Espreon> That's all you need to know...
20100416 05:21:20< shadowmaster> Espreon: not that branching!
20100416 05:21:33< shadowmaster> *this* branching!  /me points at r6945
20100416 05:22:30< Espreon> Well, if you compare the two, yeahz...
20100416 05:23:18< shadowmaster> un214: all you need to do now is svn switch --relocate https://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/wesnoth-umc-dev/trunk/Story_of_Wose https://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/wesnoth-umc-dev/branches/1.8/Story_of_Wose
20100416 05:23:38< un214> well I can do that and when it comes time for me to move to 1.9 ...
20100416 05:23:44< shadowmaster> and then you'll be tracking 1.8. And we'll see how to merge history back into trunk when you want
20100416 05:23:53< un214> ah
20100416 05:23:58< un214> ok
20100416 05:24:35< shadowmaster> it'd be dead easy to merge it back as long as nobody touches trunk, actually
20100416 05:25:25< un214> svn: Relocate can only change the repository part of an URL
20100416 05:25:51< shadowmaster> er.
20100416 05:26:09< shadowmaster> un214: ahh, sorry
20100416 05:26:26< shadowmaster> forget the --relocate switch
20100416 05:27:38< un214> doesn't work w/o either
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20100416 05:29:17< shadowmaster> um.
20100416 05:29:51< un214> there we go w/o the old site either works
20100416 05:30:05< shadowmaster> un214: just svn switch svn switch https://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/wesnoth-umc-dev/branches/1.8/Story_of_Wose
20100416 05:30:19< shadowmaster> ah, you figured it out
20100416 05:30:50< shadowmaster> I'm not used to switching locations since a) I own a root checkout of Wesnoth-UMC-Dev (not recommended except for staff) and b) I use Git for anything else
20100416 05:31:09< un214> ah
20100416 05:31:45< un214> well my copy working copy is ~/.wesnoth/data/add-ons/Story_of_Wose so root checkout wouldn't work anyway
20100416 05:32:48< shadowmaster> you think s? :P
20100416 05:33:08< shadowmaster> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/nH46c4dY
20100416 05:33:46< un214> well that's one way to do it
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20100416 05:36:19< un214> so every time I check something in I chew your bandwidth ...
20100416 05:37:01< shadowmaster> SF.net's
20100416 05:37:12< shadowmaster> it's really wide AFAICT
20100416 05:37:33<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r6946 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/ (4 files in 3 dirs): TSL: killed the backports (hopefully, all of them).
20100416 05:37:35< un214> ah but you've got to check it out. I'll bet you're like me and doesn't have to pay by the byte either.
20100416 05:37:46< shadowmaster> and it's not like they host this BFG called "wesnoth" with windows+mac+source package sets around 1 GB
20100416 05:37:51< shadowmaster> *1 GB each version
20100416 05:38:27< un214> $ wtf BFG failed
20100416 05:38:38< shadowmaster> Big F***ing Game
20100416 05:38:44< un214> ah
20100416 05:38:56< shadowmaster> well, I make the root checkout once and update branches/ and trunk/ whenever I need
20100416 05:39:26<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r6947 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/images/terrain/ (154 files in 4 dirs): TSL: killed the backported terrain images...
20100416 05:39:38< shadowmaster> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/rMgF9JmV
20100416 05:39:40< un214> would it amuse you to know I can compile wesnoth w/o writing a single byte to disk?
20100416 05:39:58< shadowmaster> wait, that's access date. I don't have the creation date
20100416 05:40:14< shadowmaster> un214: um...how can you do that? :/
20100416 05:40:21< un214> ramfs
20100416 05:40:26< un214> I have enough ram to fit it all
20100416 05:40:53< shadowmaster> well, and then you rebot your machine and bye wesnoth
20100416 05:41:19< un214> Installing the freshly built wesnoth touches disk of course
20100416 05:41:40< shadowmaster> I never waste my time installing it.
20100416 05:41:59< shadowmaster> that tends to take very long with so many resource files to install
20100416 05:42:00< un214> besides by the time I need to reboot there's a new version out anyway
20100416 05:42:13< shadowmaster> what kind of machine is that?  o  O
20100416 05:42:14< un214> 30 seconds to install
20100416 05:42:29< un214> ubuntu
20100416 05:43:00< shadowmaster> yes, but what hardware?
20100416 05:43:06< un214> frys
20100416 05:43:13< shadowmaster> it sounds like you are describing a 64 GiB RAM server
20100416 05:43:41< un214> it's just my desktop. I didn't skimp on the RAM
20100416 05:44:43< un214> besides I've hibernated w/o clearing out compiled wesnoth from /tmp first to my 8GB swap drive so I know it fits.
20100416 05:45:59< Espreon> OK, now to grab mah PBL... time to remove TSL from the 1.8 server.
20100416 05:46:41< un214> really? TSL not ready for stable?
20100416 05:46:53< Espreon> No.
20100416 05:47:01< Espreon> https://gna.org/bugs/?15600
20100416 05:47:05< Espreon> That is... yeah...
20100416 05:50:02< un214> out of curiosity (I have backups) what do you do when a .pbl is lost?
20100416 05:50:27< shadowmaster> beg Soliton for help
20100416 05:50:38< shadowmaster> it usually works
20100416 05:50:53< shadowmaster> (I mean, he knows most of us, etc.)
20100416 05:53:17< un214> that reminds me
20100416 05:53:18< Espreon> Done.
20100416 05:53:22< un214> need to run backup this weekend
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20100416 05:59:16< Espreon> Well, mysticX should be happy now...
20100416 06:12:43<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r6948 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/utils/abilities.cfg: TSL: 'max_value' -> 'min_value' for obscures.
20100416 06:15:53<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r6949 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/_main.cfg: TSL: updated the minimum requirements.
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20100416 06:41:12<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r6950 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/images/misc/tod-dark.png: TSL: removed tod-dark.png, as it was in mainline now.
20100416 06:41:24< Espreon> Uh...
20100416 06:41:32< Espreon> OK...
20100416 06:41:46< Espreon> IDK how the Hell I did that.
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20100416 09:54:03<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: faabumc * r6951 /trunk/Nightmares_of_Meloen/ (78 files in 14 dirs): NoM DDEVEL: add development era.
20100416 10:02:43<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: faabumc * r6952 /trunk/Nightmares_of_Meloen/devel/main.cfg: NoM DEVEL: add age of heros development era.
20100416 10:05:18<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: faabumc * r6953 /trunk/Nightmares_of_Meloen/devel/SYNCHRO: NoM DEVEL: stores revision of last stable-devel synchronization.
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20100416 17:38:48< shadowmaster> ...next thing we need to know is that RMS is also a Wesnoth player and lurks the forums.
20100416 17:39:16< shadowmaster> thunderstorm! o O
20100416 18:43:57< shadowmaster> ... http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=422287#p422287
20100416 18:44:28< shadowmaster> what is ditzydude trying to tell me? that I have to split everything just for the sake of it
20100416 18:44:58< shadowmaster> *sigh* I'll wait for Dagoth's response.
20100416 19:00:14< Gambit> no comment.
20100416 19:01:09< shadowmaster> Gambit: what?
20100416 19:01:24< Gambit> Okay partial comment; Artists tend to be defensive of their threads.
20100416 19:01:36< shadowmaster> yes, and I finally decided to split that anyway
20100416 19:01:40< Gambit> I think it's an insecurity thing because it seems to stop when they get a blue name.
20100416 19:01:50< shadowmaster> ...wait, what?!
20100416 19:02:25< shadowmaster> Gambit: I have also requested other moderators to split crap from my own threads in the past. That doesn't make me insecure or anything, does it?
20100416 19:02:37< Gambit> No.
20100416 19:02:43< shadowmaster> why?
20100416 19:02:54< Gambit> Were the other things competing with you?
20100416 19:02:59< shadowmaster> no
20100416 19:03:12< Gambit> You just like clean organization.
20100416 19:03:15< shadowmaster> and I don't think there's any kind of competence here
20100416 19:03:33< shadowmaster> I mean, look at that sprite. Compare with diptsyduddly's quintain
20100416 19:03:37< shadowmaster> compare with a mainline wose
20100416 19:04:10< shadowmaster> boil it for 10 minutes
20100416 19:04:31< shadowmaster> serve with pasta and tomato sauce
20100416 19:04:42< Gambit> Nvm. Nobody likes having other projects in their threads.
20100416 19:04:56< shadowmaster> do you?
20100416 19:05:07< Gambit> If it's in some way related.
20100416 19:05:29< Gambit> If it takes off; they make their own thread.
20100416 19:05:41< Gambit> If it doesn't then it gets drowned by the on topic posts.
20100416 19:06:18< Gambit> Which is not to say I support going into other peoples threads and making them all about your project.
20100416 19:06:41< Gambit> I just personally don't get upset about it in my own stuff (at least not yet).
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