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20100426 01:35:40< shadowmaster> 19:07:57 <shadowmaster> somehow, the replacement AC adapter died too :/
20100426 01:36:00< shadowmaster> I think something or someone wants to keep me away from Wesnoth
20100426 01:36:51< shadowmaster> and that's terrible™
20100426 01:38:29< Espreon> Uh huh, I see...
20100426 01:38:53< shadowmaster> this laptop's battery lasts for 7 minutes aprox.
20100426 01:39:01< shadowmaster> the screen is broken.
20100426 01:39:10< shadowmaster> the touchpad keys don't work.
20100426 01:39:35< shadowmaster> the power button is broken and it's not possible to turn it on except by shortcircuiting
20100426 01:40:04< shadowmaster> the power cord is almost literally hanging by a thread
20100426 01:40:45< shadowmaster> and it runs Debian testing "Lenny", not Debian stable "Lenny"
20100426 01:41:36< Espreon> Oh wow...
20100426 01:41:38< shadowmaster> and I don't have supertuxkart installed ;.;
20100426 01:43:43< Espreon> Oh, what a tragedy.
20100426 01:44:22< shadowmaster> well, I just need to upgrade about 1200 packages
20100426 01:44:41< shadowmaster> 300 left to download. The Mesa version I had doesn't support this ATI R3xx very well
20100426 01:45:02< shadowmaster> things getting drawn in the wrong locations, etc.
20100426 01:45:21< Espreon> ... and I need to update the changelog...
20100426 01:45:51 * shadowmaster whistles idly while letting a huge tarball fall on Espreon's head
20100426 01:46:22 * un214 advances to Sliver Mage
20100426 01:46:38< shadowmaster> :D
20100426 01:47:10< shadowmaster> is that L(-7) or something?
20100426 01:47:28< un214> 99% dodge
20100426 01:47:56 * shadowmaster thinks un214 didn't notice the typo
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20100426 01:53:18 * Espreon kicks shadowmaster in the face.
20100426 01:53:28 * un214 kicks Espreon in the face
20100426 01:53:38 * shadowmaster misses Espreon's attack
20100426 01:53:48 * Espreon stabs un214 with a bloody knife.
20100426 01:54:00 * un214 doesn't notice
20100426 01:54:01< shadowmaster> *dodges
20100426 01:54:12 * Espreon updates the changelog.
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20100426 02:11:40< shadowmaster> feeling sick again.
20100426 02:11:51< shadowmaster> now I must have really eaten something bad. Literally.
20100426 02:12:15< un214> shadowmaster: need a WM?
20100426 02:12:29< shadowmaster> a ... Window Manager?
20100426 02:12:36< shadowmaster> no until I can use bluecore again
20100426 02:12:47< un214> a ... White Mage?
20100426 02:12:58< shadowmaster> ah.
20100426 02:13:07< shadowmaster> I'd prefer a Shyde ;)
20100426 02:13:13< Espreon> Well, of course...
20100426 02:14:19< shadowmaster> meh, I'll seek a village instead
20100426 02:14:58< un214> around 1.0 I was in the habit of renaming ulfs Magivore
20100426 02:16:11< shadowm_broken> no love for hodor?
20100426 02:18:23< un214> I just tended to not play that way
20100426 02:18:26< shadowmaster> can I search for ancient threads in the forum WITHOUT GETTING MY POSTS IN THE WAY??
20100426 02:19:01< shadowmaster> I'd like to limit searches to before Nov (Oct?) 2006
20100426 02:22:40< shadowmaster> I give up. My research on hodor doesn't give me anyhting new
20100426 02:22:59< shadowmaster> except that it might have originated on December 2006
20100426 02:23:34< shadowmaster> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=14192&p=203154&hilit=HODOR#p203154
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20100426 03:21:55< noy> well, hodor was actually a bit earlier than that
20100426 03:29:30< Gambit> hodor is as old as the universe itself
20100426 03:29:53< King_Elendil> lol
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20100426 07:19:22<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: faabumc * r7014 /trunk/Nightmares_of_Meloen/ (9 files in 4 dirs): NoM: remove the glowing runes and the castle swap at once.
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20100426 07:30:21<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: faabumc * r7015 /trunk/Nightmares_of_Meloen/devel/units/aberrations/ (ab_sw_02_spiteful_watcher.cfg ab_sw_03_inquisitor.cfg): NoM DEV: reduce the fire power of Scornful Watcher's line to 10-3 (level 2) and 14-3 (level2).
20100426 07:32:50<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: faabumc * r7016 /trunk/Nightmares_of_Meloen/devel/units/aberrations/ab_sw_02_spiteful_watcher.cfg: NoM DEV: raise required XP to level for Spiteful Watcher to 90.
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20100426 08:37:18< FAAB> zookeeper: have you got someone to run wmllint on BoL for you ?
20100426 08:37:46< zookeeper> FAAB, nope
20100426 08:37:58< FAAB> do you want me to do it ?
20100426 08:38:06< zookeeper> please do! that'd be helpful
20100426 08:38:27< FAAB> what branch is it in ?
20100426 08:38:30< zookeeper> trunk
20100426 08:38:41< zookeeper> i'll branch it to 1.8 myself after i get it updated in trunk
20100426 08:38:51< FAAB> shikadibot: dir trunk
20100426 08:38:51<+shikadibot> Web interface URL to directory trunk: http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wesnoth-umc-dev/trunk
20100426 08:39:53< FAAB> is it coming from a previous version 1.8 or is it coming from 1.6 ?
20100426 08:40:32< zookeeper> 1.6
20100426 08:41:28< FAAB> ok so I have to change the campaigns/ into add-ons/ manually ?
20100426 08:42:03< zookeeper> do you need that in order for wmllint to work right on it?
20100426 08:42:28< zookeeper> i just need someone to run wmllint on it, i'll of course do all the rest that'd needed to update it
20100426 08:42:48< FAAB> no, but that is a change wmllint does not make so I have to do it by hand if you haven't done it already
20100426 08:42:53< zookeeper> why?
20100426 08:43:32< FAAB> otherwise it would not be loaded in the game
20100426 08:43:47< zookeeper> what does that matter if i'm going to fix it?
20100426 08:44:26< FAAB> so I will leave it to you then, just don't forget ;)
20100426 08:44:32< zookeeper> sure, i won't
20100426 08:45:08< zookeeper> it doesn't matter what cruft the wmllint run leaves behind, i'll just check the diff and fix the rest by hand
20100426 08:48:40< FAAB> ok, I will just run it blindly then :)
20100426 08:49:46< zookeeper> cool...assuming wmllint doesn't choke on it for one reason or another
20100426 08:50:13< FAAB> done, do you want me to put the output in paste bin ?
20100426 08:51:51< FAAB> zookeeper: is that ok to commit now ?
20100426 08:52:29< zookeeper> yes, that's ok
20100426 08:53:30< FAAB> do you want the output from wmllint ?
20100426 08:53:40< zookeeper> sure, that'd be nice
20100426 08:55:37<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: faabumc * r7017 /trunk/Brotherhood_of_Light/ (8 files in 2 dirs): BoL: run wmllint at zookeeper's request.
20100426 08:56:38< FAAB> there you go : http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/AESe9dVf
20100426 08:57:56< zookeeper> thanks a lot! i'm checking it out right now
20100426 08:58:15< FAAB> don't mention it
20100426 09:05:07< zookeeper> esr, wmllint seems to complain that [insert_tag] is an invalid child of [if], whereas [insert_tag] should be valid pretty much everywhere inside an event
20100426 09:06:00< zookeeper> also it doesn't seem to convert all old text markup to pango...like Brotherhood_of_Light/macros/fireable-events.cfg:59
20100426 09:07:31< zookeeper> also i have no idea why it wanted to convert buy_msg= to buymsg= in items.cfg...
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20100426 09:08:11< zookeeper> that change breaks all the "you bought <item>" messages, it seems
20100426 09:10:44< zookeeper> none of the text markup in menu-items.cfg was converted either
20100426 09:14:11< zookeeper> also it converted a side,canrecruit=1,yes to side,canrecruit=yes,yes
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20100426 09:16:03< zookeeper> and added the default image= to some messages which already have an image=...
20100426 09:18:20< zookeeper> namely the message has image="../data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/images/portraits/delfador.png" and yet wmllint added a image=wesnoth-icon.png
20100426 09:19:56<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: ln-zookeeper * r7018 /trunk/Brotherhood_of_Light/ (_main.cfg macros/items.cfg): Fixing a few mistakes wmllint made.
20100426 09:29:17< zookeeper> huh. looks like the buy_msg thing was because wmllint thought it shouldn't have a translation marker, but instead of removing the translation marker, it removed the underscore from the key name itself... O.o
20100426 09:43:34<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: ln-zookeeper * r7019 /trunk/Brotherhood_of_Light/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Fixed some translation issues and made a few die -> last breath changes.
20100426 10:33:42<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: ln-zookeeper * r7020 /trunk/Brotherhood_of_Light/ (_main.cfg macros/misc.cfg macros/shops.cfg): More tweaks, mostly portrait changes.
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20100426 10:58:12<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: faabumc * r7021 /trunk/Nightmares_of_Meloen/ (2 files in 2 dirs): NoM: display the fake elemental near leader for creation of variations' help.
20100426 11:19:40< esr> zookeeper: Sounds like I need to do some work on wmllint, for sure.  File a bug report, please, so I have a record?
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20100426 12:37:21<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: ln-zookeeper * r7022 /trunk/Brotherhood_of_Light/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Pango conversion and some other small tweaking.
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20100426 12:46:53< norbert_> is there a way to change the turn number to something less than the current turn?
20100426 12:47:58< norbert_> or do an [event] turn=turn $variable
20100426 12:48:23< zookeeper> [modify_turns]
20100426 12:48:53< norbert_> but that doesn't allow me to go to something less than the current turn
20100426 12:49:00< zookeeper> and no, you can't do [event] turn=turn $variable
20100426 12:49:00< norbert_> "error engine: attempted to change current turn number to one out of range (1) or less than current turn"
20100426 12:49:06< zookeeper> ok
20100426 12:49:11< norbert_> or turn="turn " + $variable
20100426 12:49:24< zookeeper> what is it that you want to do really?
20100426 12:49:34< norbert_> an event every 50 turns
20100426 12:49:45< norbert_> with an unlimited max
20100426 12:50:08< norbert_> I could probably divide by 50 and check if it's even or something
20100426 12:50:21< norbert_> if it's a whole number, I mean
20100426 12:51:39< norbert_> I'll add a counter
20100426 12:51:42< zookeeper> [event] name=new turn first_time_only=no {VARIABLE foo $turn_number} {VARIABLE_OP foo modulo 50} [if] [variable] name=foo equals=1 [/variable] [then] ...
20100426 12:51:45< zookeeper> or something, i don't know math
20100426 12:52:10< norbert_> yeah, something like that
20100426 12:52:23< norbert_> or a counter :)
20100426 12:55:40< zookeeper> wow, i made an epic mess with the BoL branches. i thought i had merged all the 1.6 stuff to trunk already, but there was a whole bunch of stuff that i need to merge now, resulting in annoying conflicts...urgh
20100426 13:34:16< norbert_> is there a way to force a unit to always attack, but keep aggression on 0.5?
20100426 13:35:10< norbert_> an AI unit, I mean
20100426 13:35:45< norbert_> I don't think there is
20100426 13:36:03< zookeeper> not without giving it a custom AI that takes care of that, no
20100426 13:37:19< norbert_> do you know of any custom AIs that do this
20100426 13:37:21< norbert_> ?
20100426 13:37:57< norbert_> it would be pretty useful for HttT levels
20100426 13:38:43< norbert_> survivals, I mean
20100426 13:39:22< norbert_> aggression is usually on 1.0, but it would be better if they AI did always attack but not like a maniac
20100426 13:39:33< norbert_> *the
20100426 13:39:48< zookeeper> no, i don't
20100426 13:39:56< zookeeper> there's not really any of those in mainline campaigns yes
20100426 13:39:58< zookeeper> yet
20100426 13:40:31< norbert_> weird
20100426 13:40:53< norbert_> it makes sense for people to want this
20100426 13:41:07< norbert_> in fact, it's what they probably want instead of aggression on 1.0
20100426 13:41:34< norbert_> an [ai] always_attack=yes [/ai]
20100426 13:41:41< norbert_> or whatever
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20100426 14:21:36<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: ln-zookeeper * r7023 /trunk/Brotherhood_of_Light/ (8 files in 2 dirs): More updates.
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20100426 15:50:05< shadowmaster> oops, hal went bye-bye.
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20100426 16:11:09< shadowmaster> and back again
20100426 16:12:20< shadowmaster> well, it was a good idea not to restart X with the upgrade this time
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20100426 17:03:30< King_Elendil> ok, I want the AI to move a specific unit to a specific place, it's not the leader unit, how do I do this?
20100426 17:04:29< King_Elendil> it may take more that 1 turn to get there, and the goal is for the human player to kill it before it reaches the place
20100426 17:06:20< zookeeper> King_Elendil, http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=258468#p258468
20100426 17:07:57< zookeeper> you might want to use turn refresh instead of ai turn though.
20100426 17:08:12< King_Elendil> thank you, you are awesome :)
20100426 17:14:48< King_Elendil> what do you mean, the name?
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20100426 17:24:14< shadowmaster> ah, zookeeper what was the favor you wanted to ask me yesterday?
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20100426 17:40:17-!- Topic for #wesnoth-umc-dev: Repository branching still in progress! (trunk <-> branches/1.8) | Wesnoth-UMC-Dev Project discussion and support channel | http://wesnoth-umc-dev.ai0867.net | Staff: AI0867, Espreon, shadowmaster | Project interface: http://tinyurl.com/umcdev | Forum thread: http://tinyurl.com/umcdev-thread | IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org, http://irclogs.ai0867.net
20100426 17:40:17-!- Topic set by umcreg [] [Fri Apr 16 05:47:05 2010]
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20100426 17:40:17-!- Irssi: #wesnoth-umc-dev: Total of 19 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 4 voices, 14 normal]
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20100426 17:42:00< shadowmaster> yeah, yeah what?
20100426 17:45:23< zookeeper> shadowmaster, what what?
20100426 17:45:54< shadowmaster> what was the favor you wanted to ask from me?
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20100426 18:00:56< zookeeper> shadowmaster, running wmllint on BoL
20100426 18:00:59< zookeeper> oh!
20100426 18:01:24< shadowmaster> I can't.
20100426 18:01:25< zookeeper> i misread "what was the favor" as "that was the favor" this whole time
20100426 18:01:41< zookeeper> FAAB did it for me, there's no need anymore
20100426 18:02:12< shadowmaster> I have an incredibly old (1.5.7+svn) trunk checkout here and same goes for the wesnoth-umc-dev root checkout
20100426 18:03:01< shadowmaster> k
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20100426 19:34:25< King_Elendil> "[variable] name=side_number" Zookeeper, that means I put the side number, ie. 2, there right?
20100426 19:38:00< King_Elendil> then what do I put in "equals=?" would it be "equals=2" for side 2?
20100426 19:45:50< King_Elendil> can anyone see why this won't work? http://pastebin.com/VFjvCvY2
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20100426 20:00:49< zookeeper> it won't work because you're just making up stuff which makes no sense.
20100426 20:00:52< zookeeper> stop doing that
20100426 20:02:06< zookeeper> why the heck do you think i'd write "name=side_number" if i really meant that you should put some number there? that'd be completely retarded
20100426 20:03:35< zookeeper> oh, right, he quit already. i missed that.
20100426 20:03:45< zookeeper> well, at least we have logging here too.
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20100426 20:15:36< King_Elendil> zookeeper, what did I make up?
20100426 20:17:05< zookeeper> a strange mess with your "ai-moveto" event and name=2
20100426 20:17:24< zookeeper> you need to set the gotos every single turn
20100426 20:18:10< King_Elendil> "name=2" is wrong?
20100426 20:18:44< King_Elendil> and can't I just name an event whatever?
20100426 20:19:41< zookeeper> yes and no, but for you no
20100426 20:20:00< King_Elendil> ok, sorry
20100426 20:21:06< King_Elendil> so what is wrong with "name=2"?
20100426 20:21:44< zookeeper> if the wiki wasn't down i'd just ask you to paste the description of what name= is for from there
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20100426 20:22:12< zookeeper> but in this case, what's wrong with that is the fact that there's no variable with the name 2
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20100426 20:49:17< King_Elendil> zookeeper, sorry I kepy having to leave :(
20100426 20:49:22< King_Elendil> *kept
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20100426 20:54:04< King_Elendil> well, bye now
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20100426 20:57:05<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: ln-zookeeper * r7024 /trunk/Brotherhood_of_Light/ (9 files in 3 dirs): A bunch of small changes, fixes and additions.
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20100426 21:29:54< norbert_> hi all; when I set a label and use a variable, it seems a space is added in front of the variable
20100426 21:30:17< norbert_> for example, this would give 2 spaces after "a": label="this is a " + $label
20100426 21:31:06< norbert_> in this example it's not an issue, because I can remove the space after the "a", but I want to display $var/$var
20100426 21:31:16< norbert_> which results in " $var/ $var"
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20100426 21:33:05 * zookeeper sees a space right before $label
20100426 21:33:20< norbert_> oh...
20100426 21:34:10< norbert_> but that doesn't make any sense
20100426 21:34:23< zookeeper> well how would the game know whether you want to include that space or not?
20100426 21:34:23< norbert_> some wml stuff is really weird
20100426 21:34:49< norbert_> because label should always expect either "..." or $var
20100426 21:35:06< norbert_> but I guess it's just something I have to get used to :)
20100426 21:35:10< zookeeper> umm
20100426 21:35:14< norbert_> thanks for the information, I'll change the code
20100426 21:35:24< zookeeper> there's no difference of any kind between "..." and $var
20100426 21:35:31< zookeeper> both are strings
20100426 21:35:42< norbert_> yep
20100426 21:37:08< zookeeper> whenever concatenating strings with +, it's good practise to use quotes so that all that space stuff is very clear
20100426 21:37:32< zookeeper> that is, label="this is a " + "$label"
20100426 21:37:40< zookeeper> then you don't have to wonder whether the spaces in between are included or not
20100426 21:37:56< zookeeper> ah, gotta watch true blood ->
20100426 21:40:44< norbert_> "the co-existence of vampires and humans"? :P
20100426 21:41:26< norbert_> no HBO here, although I don't own a TV either (who needs one)
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20100426 21:51:55-!- Topic for #wesnoth-umc-dev: Repository branching still in progress! (trunk <-> branches/1.8) | Wesnoth-UMC-Dev Project discussion and support channel | http://wesnoth-umc-dev.ai0867.net | Staff: AI0867, Espreon, shadowmaster | Project interface: http://tinyurl.com/umcdev | Forum thread: http://tinyurl.com/umcdev-thread | IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org, http://irclogs.ai0867.net
20100426 21:51:55-!- Topic set by umcreg [] [Fri Apr 16 05:47:05 2010]
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20100426 21:51:55-!- Irssi: #wesnoth-umc-dev: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 4 voices, 13 normal]
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20100426 23:02:56<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: ln-zookeeper * r7025 /trunk/Brotherhood_of_Light/ (Readme.txt _main.cfg macros/menu-items.cfg): A few last tweaks before releasing 0.5.8.
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20100426 23:16:37< zookeeper> BoL is now on 1.8 too \o/ (and seemingly working, too)
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