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20100401 00:43:19< PeterPorty> Hi guys
20100401 00:43:28< PeterPorty> The Pete's here
20100401 00:46:32< Gambit> Whilst digging through youtube I found the perfect video for JMC/ihatewesnoth :)
20100401 00:46:34< Gambit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh33bGAxl58
20100401 00:46:45< Gambit> Nope. Sorry kevin bacon wasn't in footloose.
20100401 00:46:50< Gambit> You lose, go look it up.
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20100401 00:50:10< Gambit> For every moment in life; there is a youtube video.
20100401 00:50:20< PeterPorty> lopl
20100401 00:50:27< PeterPorty> good one
20100401 00:50:42< PeterPorty> OMG! I'm talking with Gambit!
20100401 00:50:49< Gambit> -_-
20100401 00:50:54< PeterPorty> 8D
20100401 00:50:54< Gambit> Yes.
20100401 00:51:05< PeterPorty> meh, u know u love me
20100401 00:51:31< Gambit> You know what you should be amazed at?
20100401 00:51:38< Gambit> You're in the same IRC room as *THE* shadowmaster.
20100401 00:51:44< Gambit> Seriously.
20100401 00:51:46< PeterPorty> I KNOW!
20100401 00:51:57< PeterPorty> i talked about that yesterday!
20100401 00:52:18< Gambit> We should say his name some more. :)
20100401 00:52:18< PeterPorty> and even more *giggles* we r from   the same cowntry!
20100401 00:52:25< PeterPorty> u r mean
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20100401 00:52:40< Gambit> Did you post in his thread?
20100401 00:52:41< Gambit> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29328
20100401 00:52:45< Gambit> :)
20100401 00:52:48< Unnheulu> Except your not
20100401 00:52:56< Unnheulu> He's in a maths exam
20100401 00:53:21< PeterPorty> I did post in it
20100401 00:53:30< PeterPorty> (now i did anyways)
20100401 00:53:43< Unnheulu> Can I go now?
20100401 00:53:45< PeterPorty> how the hell would you know that?
20100401 00:53:57< Gambit> No
20100401 00:54:01< PeterPorty> lopl
20100401 00:54:13< Gambit> My summoning spell has at least another 30 minutes
20100401 00:54:16< Unnheulu> Please gambit :P
20100401 00:54:19< Gambit> It better anyways...
20100401 00:54:23< PeterPorty> brb
20100401 00:54:24< Gambit> as much mana as I put into it
20100401 00:54:28< Unnheulu> I only came to say those two lines
20100401 00:54:54< PeterPorty> back
20100401 00:54:57< Unnheulu> Meh I'm going anyways
20100401 00:55:11< PeterPorty> anyway, I started the 3rd page of his thread!
20100401 00:55:15< PeterPorty> im awesome
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20100401 00:55:52< Gambit> Okay I am so not putting anymore EXP into leveling that spell.
20100401 00:55:58< PeterPorty> lopl
20100401 00:57:15< PeterPorty> they say if you reach the max it will stop being rude...
20100401 00:58:07< Gambit> so it will politely ignore my commands?
20100401 00:58:09< Gambit> no thanks :P
20100401 00:58:29< PeterPorty> and say "plz" and "thx"
20100401 00:59:13< PeterPorty> you need to put gold into it to get it to say "u r awesome"
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20100401 01:02:24< Unnheulu> Awe come on pete leave shadowmaster alone; he's a normal user [other than the dev part) like you and me
20100401 01:02:40< Unnheulu> Bet you wouldn't wanna be summoned all day :p
20100401 01:03:12 * shadowmaster stabs Gambit 
20100401 01:03:18< PeterPorty> Hey Gambit, MysticX wanted me to ask you something "Are you cumming?" I told him  it was kinda inapropiate tho...
20100401 01:03:25< PeterPorty> lopl
20100401 01:03:30< Gambit> :\
20100401 01:03:30< Unnheulu> How'd the exam go? :)
20100401 01:03:38< PeterPorty> i would like to be summoned
20100401 01:03:52< PeterPorty> OMG! Shadowmaster is here!
20100401 01:03:53< Unnheulu> Lol pete :P
20100401 01:04:12< Gambit> Tell MysticX "like a boss."
20100401 01:04:13< Gambit> LOL don't!
20100401 01:04:15< noy> PeterPorty: I'm going to delete your post in the host abuse thread
20100401 01:04:15< Unnheulu> What if you were about to eat a giiaant steak?
20100401 01:04:16< PeterPorty> ok
20100401 01:04:23< PeterPorty> why?
20100401 01:04:26< noy> you don't go asking for moderators to do things unless its your own thread
20100401 01:04:29< PeterPorty> what did I do wrong?
20100401 01:04:33< PeterPorty> ok
20100401 01:04:44< noy> I'm not mad or anything
20100401 01:04:51< noy> just a note for the future
20100401 01:04:52< Unnheulu> Besides it was hardly lock worthy imo
20100401 01:04:57< PeterPorty> ok, i understand, sorry, didnt know that
20100401 01:05:10< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: horrible
20100401 01:05:15< Unnheulu> [sorry not)
20100401 01:05:20< Unnheulu> *not
20100401 01:05:25< Unnheulu> *noy
20100401 01:05:30< Unnheulu> Stupid iPod
20100401 01:05:49< Unnheulu> Sm really? ):
20100401 01:05:53< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: yeah
20100401 01:06:02< Unnheulu> *cries*
20100401 01:06:03< Gambit> shadowmaster: It was logarithms wasn't it?
20100401 01:06:04< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: I've downloaded your frontend and I'll test it when I get home
20100401 01:06:09< shadowmaster> Gambit: nah.
20100401 01:06:18< shadowmaster> no
20100401 01:06:24< Unnheulu> Brb
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20100401 01:06:57< PeterPorty> *giggles* *whispers* shadowmaster is here 
20100401 01:07:17< Unnheulu> Ok, I hope it works^^
20100401 01:07:41< shadowmaster> yes, yes, kneel before me, etc.
20100401 01:07:47< PeterPorty> *kneels*
20100401 01:07:54 * Gambit bows
20100401 01:08:04< shadowmaster> but please, please, consider that I'm going afk now for the long journey home.
20100401 01:08:07< Gambit> Shadowmaster they defiled your thread!
20100401 01:08:11< shadowmaster> with heavy traffic and crap
20100401 01:08:14 * Unnheulu bows, but falls over doing so
20100401 01:08:32< shadowmaster> Gambit: um, nope?
20100401 01:08:37< shadowmaster> not my thread anyway
20100401 01:08:37< Unnheulu> Ok, c'ya later
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20100401 01:10:40< PeterPorty> soooo...in what part of santiago do you live shadow? can i sen you flowers?
20100401 01:11:00< PeterPorty> sorry, gtg dinner time...bbl
20100401 01:13:23< Gambit> In His eyes your flowers are filthy rags.
20100401 01:18:56< PeterPorty> !!
20100401 01:19:00< PeterPorty> back btw
20100401 01:19:13< PeterPorty> and my flowers are awesome!
20100401 01:19:29< PeterPorty> what about the ppurest water of the whole country?
20100401 01:19:38< PeterPorty> from the "Mapocho! river?
20100401 01:19:47< PeterPorty> *"Mapocho"
20100401 01:20:25< PeterPorty> is that good enough?
20100401 01:22:16< PeterPorty> *purrs*
20100401 01:22:28 * PeterPorty purrs
20100401 01:22:31< PeterPorty> yay!
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20100401 01:22:39< Unnheulu> No
20100401 01:22:45< Unnheulu> It's not good enough
20100401 01:22:47< PeterPorty> wb unnheulu
20100401 01:22:52< PeterPorty> : (
20100401 01:22:57< Unnheulu> It must be from the river Taff :)
20100401 01:23:06< PeterPorty> wtf's that?
20100401 01:23:08< Unnheulu> Hiah
20100401 01:23:24< Unnheulu> I'm always here; just log lurking
20100401 01:23:40< Unnheulu> Google for the river Taff...
20100401 01:23:57< PeterPorty> what about a golden limited-edition xbox 720?
20100401 01:24:03< Unnheulu> It's a river going through europes newest Capitol caerdydd
20100401 01:24:17< Unnheulu> 720?...
20100401 01:24:32< PeterPorty> 360 * 2...
20100401 01:24:39< Unnheulu> Ok...
20100401 01:24:56< Unnheulu> Newest city and Capitol I meant
20100401 01:25:12< Unnheulu> [1954) it becames capitol
20100401 01:25:31< PeterPorty> google for mapocho river...
20100401 01:25:56< Unnheulu> I only can by reverting to log lurking
20100401 01:26:05< PeterPorty> do so
20100401 01:26:12< PeterPorty> : )
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20100401 01:26:54< PeterPorty> he quited...
20100401 01:27:29< PeterPorty> omg! Zarel's here too!
20100401 01:27:38< PeterPorty> and noy!
20100401 01:27:46< PeterPorty> he even gave me a warning
20100401 01:29:26< PeterPorty> and ivanovic...and blarumyrran...and crimson penguin...so many known people!
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20100401 01:31:00< Unnheulu> And me? Xer)
20100401 01:32:25< PeterPorty> ...
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20100401 01:32:56< crimson_penguin> ...?
20100401 01:33:19< PeterPorty> yeah
20100401 01:33:46< PeterPorty> so, what do you guys think about ladder? most of my friend think it sucks...how bout u?
20100401 01:35:07< PeterPorty> ok...seems you guys didnt like the question...
20100401 01:35:29< PeterPorty> anotherone....has anyone beated HttT on hard WITHOUT cheatting?
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20100401 01:36:36< PeterPorty> ok, I think I'll be leaving now...
20100401 01:36:40< PeterPorty> bye...
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20100401 02:04:04< Unnheulu> Hai
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20100401 02:05:50< Unnheulu> Bah
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20100401 02:06:29< Unnheulu> If I had my way I'd be ruled by the welsh assembly government right now
20100401 02:11:05< Unnheulu> Meh
20100401 02:11:19< Unnheulu> Bye guys, be back in 8 or 9 hours
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20100401 03:06:02< King_Elendil> hello there :)
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20100401 04:18:10< Gambit> shadowmaster: lol
20100401 04:18:25< Gambit> Did we get enough people to unlock that other thread? :P
20100401 04:18:36< shadowmaster> what?
20100401 04:18:59< Gambit> You said "until then..." and then locked it.
20100401 04:19:06< Gambit> So is now "then"?
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20100401 04:19:34< Gambit> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=29314
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20100401 04:20:37< shadowmaster> so, as I suspected, this was a foolish scheme of yours to get that thread unlocked?
20100401 04:20:56< Gambit> It had multiple purposes.
20100401 04:21:09< Gambit> Funniness chiefly. A lot of people wrote some funny stuff.
20100401 04:21:13< Gambit> Secondly you hate fans.
20100401 04:21:23< shadowmaster> yeah, pretty much
20100401 04:21:25< Gambit> The unlocking of that thread was a minor purpose.
20100401 04:21:45< ancestral> Say, sorta on topic with locked threads, any reason the "You've been playing Wesnoth too long when..." got locked?
20100401 04:21:45 * King_Elendil lol's
20100401 04:21:47 * shadowmaster electrocutes Gambit 
20100401 04:21:51< Gambit> It was actually the inspiration.
20100401 04:22:47< Gambit> ancestral: None of the jokes were funny anymore.
20100401 04:22:51< Gambit> It was just a large spam magnet.
20100401 04:23:04< Gambit> Though with its locking the spam has really clogged up the Users Forum
20100401 04:23:17< ancestral> Define span
20100401 04:23:18< Gambit> I theorize it gave spammers a place to get it out of their system.
20100401 04:23:19< ancestral> *spam
20100401 04:23:45< Gambit> Lameness, off-topicness, innappropriateness
20100401 04:23:53< Gambit> Pretty much anything I would do :P
20100401 04:24:14< shadowmaster> I agree with Gam-
20100401 04:24:30< shadowmaster> Gamboa. No, I don't agree with Gambit, and I have no idea what he's saying anyway.
20100401 04:24:33< Gambit> Can't bring yourself to finish it? :P
20100401 04:25:29< Gambit> *I or captain wraithbow
20100401 04:25:44< Gambit> Actually I think I'm getting better, but some of his posts lately have just been a single smiley...
20100401 04:26:08 * Gambit 's luck would have it that he is in the room right now under a different name.
20100401 04:26:29< shadowmaster> your luck is running out. Be a nice civilian
20100401 04:26:47< Gambit> I've considered PMing him about it, but it would be a tad hypocritical.
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20100401 04:26:59< Gambit> shadowmaster: okay. 
20100401 04:27:05< Gambit> noted :(
20100401 04:27:52< King_Elendil> ancestral: what did you think?
20100401 04:32:23< ancestral> Oh!
20100401 04:32:27< ancestral> Hmm
20100401 04:32:38< ancestral> Well I'm curious to what the whole screen would be like
20100401 04:33:19< King_Elendil> I made an update that specifies what level each unit is, but other than that, what I have is basicly what you saw
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20100401 04:34:02< King_Elendil> hmm. Would you like race headers, like the current one?
20100401 04:35:23< ancestral> Well
20100401 04:35:57< ancestral> Hmm let me see if I can send you a basic idea of what I'm thinking
20100401 04:36:03< King_Elendil> ok
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20100401 06:14:03< Suvorov> Does anyone use this?
20100401 06:15:33< Suvorov> So... um Wesnoth is awesome?
20100401 06:16:00< Suvorov> I just switched to linux and it asked me if I wanted to install wesnoth... and I was like... *click yes*
20100401 06:17:42< Vornicus> Not a question
20100401 06:17:56< Vornicus> Not even /in/ question.
20100401 06:19:17< Suvorov> Hello Vornicus... I was beginning to think I'd be trapped in this room forever
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20100401 08:12:32< Zarel> Server down?
20100401 08:12:37< Zarel> nvm
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20100401 09:45:14< Unnheulu|Laptop> hiah
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20100401 09:53:14< Unnheulu|Laptop> bah, who made wesnoth use english (us)
20100401 09:55:08< Blarumyrran> I bet there are some really good us-to-uk translators out there
20100401 09:55:34< Unnheulu|Laptop> Blarumyrran, :P
20100401 09:55:41< Unnheulu|Laptop> shadowmaster, what part doesn't work?
20100401 09:55:49< Unnheulu|Laptop> seems to work fine for me :/
20100401 09:55:51< Blarumyrran> AFAIK the syntax is completely the same? So English (uk) translation could be automated or something
20100401 09:56:01< Unnheulu|Laptop> possibly
20100401 09:56:27< Unnheulu|Laptop> the problem with english (UK) is in only like 40miles people talk totally different
20100401 09:56:40< Unnheulu|Laptop> in only 5miles sometimes :/ 
20100401 09:57:04< Becquerel> y'awright guv, whatcha doin' dahn 'ere in laahndan?
20100401 09:57:10< Unnheulu|Laptop> :P
20100401 09:57:33< Unnheulu|Laptop> Anyways, I'm gonna try and work out whats wrong with my frontend, worked when I was testing it
20100401 09:57:59< Blarumyrran> Golly lad, yer speaking nonsense
20100401 09:59:11< Unnheulu|Laptop> ok, colouring to red works
20100401 09:59:19< Unnheulu|Laptop> blue works
20100401 09:59:28< Unnheulu|Laptop> green works
20100401 09:59:37< Unnheulu|Laptop> purple does
20100401 09:59:45< Unnheulu|Laptop> orange does
20100401 09:59:56< Unnheulu|Laptop> black doesn't...
20100401 10:00:13< Unnheulu|Laptop> white colours it to black...
20100401 10:00:22< Unnheulu|Laptop> brown to whie
20100401 10:00:25< Unnheulu|Laptop> *white
20100401 10:00:33< Unnheulu|Laptop> and cyan to brown
20100401 10:00:42< Unnheulu|Laptop> so I conclude black colours to orange
20100401 10:01:05< Unnheulu|Laptop> bbiab
20100401 10:01:20< Blarumyrran> 'tis in wrong order, ye've messed it up
20100401 10:01:24< Unnheulu|Laptop> :-P
20100401 10:01:30< Unnheulu|Laptop> is it?
20100401 10:01:38< Unnheulu|Laptop> that would explain a lot
20100401 10:02:45< Unnheulu|Laptop> I was working of meganes colour square thingymagic: http://wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=20310&p=290411&hilit=color#p290411
20100401 10:02:56< Blarumyrran> whaa, "light red" and "dark red" color ranges, when where these added
20100401 10:03:03< Blarumyrran> And why
20100401 10:03:09< Unnheulu|Laptop> I used the one on the left :P
20100401 10:03:15< Unnheulu|Laptop> Cause I don't have wesnoth installed on my lappy
20100401 10:03:41< Unnheulu|Laptop> now I do^^
20100401 10:04:06< Unnheulu|Laptop> albeit 1.6.5, but, it shouldn't have changed since
20100401 10:05:32< Unnheulu|Laptop> your right :P
20100401 10:05:52< Unnheulu|Laptop> shadowmaster, if that was the only bug I'll upload the fix in a second
20100401 10:06:02< Blarumyrran> 1.6.5 doesn't have Light red & Dark red, 1.8rc1 does
20100401 10:06:22< Unnheulu|Laptop> meh, I just need to know the order of colours
20100401 10:06:33< Unnheulu|Laptop> all the rgb's and stuff are in wesnoth-tc
20100401 10:06:50< Blarumyrran> Yeah, it's not related, just wondering
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20100401 10:07:52< Unnheulu|Laptop> Oh its called teal >.>
20100401 10:07:57< Unnheulu|Laptop> Time for testing^^
20100401 10:09:39< Unnheulu|Laptop> doesn't work >.>
20100401 10:10:44< Unnheulu|Laptop> wtf...that should be working...
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20100401 10:17:34< Unnheulu|Laptop> its making the image, just not drawing it
20100401 10:17:58< Unnheulu|Laptop> and making a mess of my desktop now I hashed out a line...
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20100401 10:38:05< Unnheulu|Laptop> bah
20100401 10:39:00< Unnheulu|Laptop> meh, I'm gonna take a break
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20100401 10:40:35< Amonchakad> Hello, I'm having an odd problem with Wesnoth: the font used in some parts of the game (used for example in the main menu tips) is distorted for me; does anyone have the same problem?
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20100401 10:50:45< Amonchakad> Ehm...anyone?
20100401 10:50:54< Unnheulu> I don't get the problem, no
20100401 10:50:58< Unnheulu> Why not submit a bug report
20100401 10:51:16< zookeeper> or at least paste a screenshot first
20100401 10:51:36< Amonchakad> I just thought I'd check on IRC first because maybe others had the same problem and I could fix it faster
20100401 10:51:36< Blarumyrran> I had some distorted font problems in older 1.7.x versions, what's your version
20100401 10:51:58< Amonchakad> I'm using the 1.8 release on sourceforge
20100401 10:52:05< Amonchakad> but I've had the problem since early 1.7 I think
20100401 10:53:03< Blarumyrran> 1.8 release is 1.8-rc2? I don't know about that one, but in rc1, I have no problems
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20100401 10:54:00< Amonchakad> loading a screenshot now
20100401 10:54:48< Ivanovic> moin
20100401 10:55:57< Amonchakad> http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/3976/screenshot000q.png
20100401 10:56:19< Amonchakad> but I'm not sure if you can see it too, it might a problem of resolution
20100401 10:56:47< Unnheulu> It doesn't look too bad here...
20100401 10:57:14< Blarumyrran> a bit bad
20100401 10:57:33< Unnheulu> are you on linux?
20100401 10:57:38< Amonchakad> Well, it's not unreadable, but it gets quite annoying to see it all the time
20100401 10:57:42< Amonchakad> nope, windows 7
20100401 10:58:05< zookeeper> looks like subpixel antialiasing gone wrong?
20100401 10:58:07< Amonchakad> Is there an easy way to change the game fonts?
20100401 10:58:30< Unnheulu> It reminds me of when I get thee font settings wrong udner linux^^
20100401 10:58:42< zookeeper> s/antialiasing/rendering
20100401 10:58:44< Amonchakad> Ehm, I'm not really computer savvy, I don't even know in detail what antialiasing is;)
20100401 10:58:47< Unnheulu> not sure that affects wesnoth though
20100401 10:59:25< Unnheulu> I'm not either Amonchakad ;P#
20100401 10:59:37< Unnheulu> I'm just staying around ere long enough to work it out :P
20100401 11:00:07< Amonchakad> zookeeper: so, changing the antialiasing settings might help? I can't find the option in-game
20100401 11:00:14< zookeeper> Amonchakad, do you have an lcd screen?
20100401 11:00:46< zookeeper> i'm not an expert either, so i'm just guessing
20100401 11:00:48< Amonchakad> Yes
20100401 11:00:56< Amonchakad> 1280x1024
20100401 11:01:33< zookeeper> ok...have you gotten the same problem anywhere else?
20100401 11:01:43< Amonchakad> Hm, no
20100401 11:01:46< Amonchakad> Not that I can recall of
20100401 11:02:32< Blarumyrran> Hm
20100401 11:02:46< Blarumyrran> The font that the tip box uses is not in the Fonts folder like the other fonts
20100401 11:02:51< zookeeper> well, i get the same problem, but it doesn't really bother me at all
20100401 11:02:57< Blarumyrran> I replaced everything there with another font, but that one doesn't change
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20100401 11:04:14< Unnheulu> anyone here speak python?
20100401 11:05:07< Amonchakad> just found this topic http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=28029
20100401 11:05:16< zookeeper> ah, looks like setting windows to not do cleartype rendering fixes it. but of course it also makes all other text be less smooth, so not really worth the trouble.
20100401 11:05:29< Unnheulu> 'cause that gui I made for shadowmaster has a "small" bug in it^^
20100401 11:05:39< zookeeper> i'd guess it uses some font which doesn't work with cleartype
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20100401 11:18:42< Amonchakad> So, I'm trying to change the game fonts. That topic says that I also need to change font_family...but I can't exactly understand where to find it?
20100401 11:21:23< Unnheulu> aww I love this campaign
20100401 11:23:55 * Unnheulu wonders how a poacher is better than a bowman
20100401 11:24:14< Unnheulu> other than the need of less xp >.>
20100401 11:25:10< Blarumyrran> And being in a faction where all other no-metal-weakness units have 30% in woods <.<
20100401 11:25:11< Sacho> swamp terrain
20100401 11:25:12< Sacho> chaotic
20100401 11:25:29< Sacho> less xp is a serious threat
20100401 11:25:31< Unnheulu> I mean in general ;)
20100401 11:25:38< Blarumyrran> (other than griffin of course but that costs too much for just filling woods)
20100401 11:25:39< Unnheulu> Sacho: I guess that much is true about the xp
20100401 11:25:55< Unnheulu> Cause in a campaign a woodsman can go to bowman and poacher...
20100401 11:26:03< Unnheulu> (Which it normally can, I know)
20100401 11:26:29< Sacho> yes, and depending on whether you need a lawful or chaotic archer, you would pick one or the other
20100401 11:26:30< Blarumyrran> poacher's level3 can gain marksman, that's a major plus in campaigns I think
20100401 11:26:39< Unnheulu> ok
20100401 11:26:46 * Unnheulu thinks he should've gone for poacher now
20100401 11:26:50< Unnheulu> ^^
20100401 11:26:56< Sacho> yeah, poacher lvl3 splits like an elven archer
20100401 11:28:01< Blarumyrran> both are some of the worst units in the game, I think
20100401 11:28:11< Blarumyrran> (bowman & poacher)
20100401 11:28:29< Unnheulu> In campaigns I always find spearmen overpowered (at least in mine) :/
20100401 11:28:39< Unnheulu> when I try doing the same in mp I always lose^^
20100401 11:28:51< Unnheulu> (I mean when the ai gets spearmen, not me :()
20100401 11:29:28< Sacho> Dunno, a lot of campaigns have tough melee units
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20100401 11:29:39< Sacho> for which the bowman works ok
20100401 11:29:47< Unnheulu> I mean like their ability to hit 10-3
20100401 11:29:59< Unnheulu> once I had a spearman hit 13-3, and with leadership it could be higher
20100401 11:30:09< Sacho> sure, spearmen are great
20100401 11:30:23< Sacho> but in campaigns, horsemen are even more ridiculous :P
20100401 11:30:39< Sacho>  just blitzing through levels
20100401 11:30:46< Unnheulu> But when they defend they're a lot weaker
20100401 11:31:08< Sacho> usually there's not much to defend against :P
20100401 11:31:17< Unnheulu> :D
20100401 11:31:32< Unnheulu> haha ftw
20100401 11:31:39< Unnheulu> this campaign has like a 4x4 map
20100401 11:32:04< Unnheulu> Lol I love this campaign
20100401 11:33:14< Unnheulu> Now you will be able to recruit noobs! 
20100401 11:33:15< Unnheulu> ftw
20100401 11:37:08< Unnheulu> bah I lost
20100401 11:37:28< Unnheulu> wow my gosh
20100401 11:37:36< Unnheulu> shadowmaster plays supertux???
20100401 11:38:12< Unnheulu> I imagine he enjoys forcing little penguins to bounce around naked for him
20100401 11:38:17< Unnheulu> sorry...
20100401 11:38:42< Blarumyrran> what
20100401 11:38:47< Unnheulu> nvm
20100401 11:38:55< Unnheulu> Did you draw that bomb Blarumyrran? xD
20100401 11:39:14< Blarumyrran> obviously
20100401 11:39:26< Unnheulu> I assume thats in responce to my cruddy bomb image^^
20100401 11:39:39< Blarumyrran> But was that some reference that I just didn't understand
20100401 11:39:49< Unnheulu> Don't worry
20100401 11:39:52< Blarumyrran> No
20100401 11:40:15< Unnheulu> If it wasn't thats the first time I havn't had any crit at all on my art :(
20100401 11:40:17< Blarumyrran> Hm, it's getting hard to specify what lines you answering to with what line
20100401 11:40:21< Unnheulu> I need someone to make fun of it!
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20100401 11:41:38< Unnheulu> hi again
20100401 11:41:44< Blarumyrran> Eg with "But was that some reference that I just didn't understand" i was asking about shadowmaster, liittle penguins, bouncing around naked, and connections thereof
20100401 11:41:53< Unnheulu> He plays supertux :)
20100401 11:42:21< Unnheulu> Which I'm sure you've heard of
20100401 11:42:31< Blarumyrran> I played it once, even
20100401 11:42:40< Unnheulu> :P
20100401 11:42:44< Blarumyrran> It got boring in less than 10 minutes though
20100401 11:42:52< Unnheulu> :P
20100401 11:43:00< Unnheulu> My cousin loves that game
20100401 11:44:17< Unnheulu> anyways
20100401 11:44:41< Unnheulu> Once I finish the bug, I'm gonna try making a gui for building units (not the animation, too complicated >.>)
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20100401 11:46:01< Unnheulu> Blarumyrran: do people really draw attack icons on 240x240?
20100401 11:46:27< Blarumyrran> Depends on people of course?
20100401 11:46:41< Unnheulu> Do most of the good artists really draw attack icons on 240x240?
20100401 11:46:44< Blarumyrran> I remember someone who made an elvish staff, had a large image of it
20100401 11:46:50< Blarumyrran> How would I know
20100401 11:46:52< Unnheulu> ok :P
20100401 11:46:59< Unnheulu> Cause your an artist? :P
20100401 11:47:24< Unnheulu> Do you really do it on 240x240 then? :P
20100401 11:47:25< Blarumyrran> The only mainline attack icon I've made is ugly & ancient
20100401 11:47:30< Unnheulu> oh ok
20100401 11:47:33< Unnheulu> :P
20100401 11:51:57< Unnheulu> Aargh
20100401 11:52:17< Unnheulu> Problem with dual screening is a circle on a graphics tablet turns to an oval on the screen -.-
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20100401 11:54:31< Unnheulu> hiah
20100401 11:54:35< Unnheulu> you made the ladder, right?
20100401 11:58:24< Unnheulu> plus pressure sensitvity doesn't work on this version of ubuntu (probably done the settings wrong myself but w/e >.>)
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20100401 12:13:30< Unnheulu_> Shadowmaster, when your here just say back; Ill be watching on the logs
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20100401 12:29:32< Unnheulu|Laptop> meh I'm gonna continue searching for the bug
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20100401 13:44:35< Unnheulu|Laptop> *yawns*
20100401 13:46:45< Unnheulu|Laptop> wesbot, seen elvish_sovereign
20100401 13:46:45< wesbot> Unnheulu|Laptop: The person with the nick elvish_sovereign 15h 8m ago they left with the message: Client Quit
20100401 13:47:03< Unnheulu|Laptop> doh
20100401 13:47:09< Unnheulu|Laptop> thanks wesbot
20100401 13:47:19< Unnheulu|Laptop> wesbot, thanks
20100401 13:47:19< wesbot> Unnheulu|Laptop: You are welcome.
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20100401 14:31:20 * Unnheulu wonders how random it would be to hook an arduino up to a computer, and take infomation out of one of the input's...
20100401 14:32:38 * Unnheulu also wonders whether the new rng dave posted is actually the old one, and the old one is some rubbish one :/
20100401 14:34:51< Unnheulu> Ken_Oh: haha :P
20100401 14:35:02< Unnheulu> ftw^^
20100401 14:35:39< Ken_Oh> ;)
20100401 14:36:39< Unnheulu> does a random seed have to be an integer?
20100401 14:36:39< Blarumyrrar> What did I miss
20100401 14:36:47< Unnheulu> Blarumyrrar: dave's thread, page 2
20100401 14:36:56< Ken_Oh> Wesnoth bombing
20100401 14:37:16< Blarumyrrar> oh.
20100401 14:37:33< Ken_Oh> i find it strange that 2 of my favorite games, Wesnoth and Dwarf Fortress, have made big releases on 4/1
20100401 14:38:01< Unnheulu> could be worse
20100401 14:38:10< Unnheulu> in the uk its 1/4, which suggests the releases aren't complete
20100401 14:38:32< Ken_Oh> aha
20100401 14:40:50< Unnheulu> bah
20100401 14:41:01< Unnheulu> arduino won't work properly on my pc
20100401 14:41:07< Unnheulu> gotta use my laptop, meeh
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20100401 14:45:48< Unnheulu|Laptop> hiah Gambit
20100401 14:45:54< Gambit> <3 Dave
20100401 14:45:56< Gambit> lol
20100401 14:46:10< Unnheulu|Laptop> :P
20100401 14:46:16< Unnheulu|Laptop> I have a strange mix in front of me
20100401 14:46:32< Unnheulu|Laptop> A computer running stronghold, an arduino, and a netbook
20100401 14:46:34< Unnheulu|Laptop> ;)
20100401 14:46:53< Gambit> "We might have to institute a program where some players who want the most  accurate numbers of all can pay for a premium random number service, to cover  the cost of all the resources."
20100401 14:47:04< Gambit> ^^^ the best part
20100401 14:47:05< Unnheulu|Laptop> =)
20100401 14:47:39< Gambit> Why is that a strange mix?
20100401 14:47:53< Ivanovic> Gambit: you should better not read the logs of #wesnoth-dev starting at about 12:00pm
20100401 14:47:54< Unnheulu|Laptop> Because when I'm playing on the computer I rarely code at the same time
20100401 14:48:20< Gambit> Okay I definitely am not looking those up right now.
20100401 14:48:41< Ivanovic> Gambit: you really should
20100401 14:48:46< Ivanovic> zookeeper had some great ideas
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20100401 14:51:01< Unnheulu|Laptop> aww
20100401 14:51:10< Unnheulu|Laptop> no kingmaker in the original stronghold
20100401 14:51:18< Unnheulu|Laptop> I'm gonna go and flame all over their forums
20100401 14:51:47< Unnheulu|Laptop> on the note, I really miss an rng in those games
20100401 14:52:42< Blarumyrrar> Yay, I passed the grue on xkcd.com
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20100401 14:57:26< Gambit> Yesterdays AVG update created a false positive on one of my favorite new bits of software :
20100401 14:57:33< Gambit> Now I have to wait for them to fix it :(
20100401 14:57:47< Unnheulu|Laptop> Then use Linux? ;)
20100401 14:58:01< Unnheulu|Laptop> No need for anti-virus unless your running a mail server
20100401 14:58:04< Gambit> rofl
20100401 14:58:08< Gambit> yeah but no software either
20100401 14:58:09< Gambit> zing
20100401 14:58:13< Unnheulu|Laptop> yeh yeh
20100401 14:58:18< Unnheulu|Laptop> no software for what? :P
20100401 14:58:25< Ivanovic> Gambit: lots of software
20100401 14:58:28< Gambit> Making video games in a gui
20100401 14:58:30< Ivanovic> several thousand programs
20100401 14:58:38< Unnheulu|Laptop> Gambit, what language?
20100401 14:58:50< Gambit> None :o
20100401 14:59:05< Gambit> Actually I guess it has a scripting language, I've just not learned it yet.
20100401 14:59:10< Unnheulu|Laptop> :-P
20100401 14:59:21< Gambit> Haven't needed to.
20100401 14:59:22< Unnheulu|Laptop> Gambit, Wesnoth is a game in a gui?
20100401 14:59:23< Blarumyrrar> kmines hasn't got a smiley face, but the Real, MS-made one has
20100401 14:59:34< Gambit> I had it a day before this darn AVG update.
20100401 14:59:42< Gambit> It was really cool. :(
20100401 14:59:52< Blarumyrrar> had*
20100401 15:00:10< Blarumyrrar> Until now.
20100401 15:01:08< Gambit> Why doesn't it have a smiley face anymore?
20100401 15:01:22< Blarumyrrar> Beacuse windows 7 sucks
20100401 15:01:44 * Gambit remembers this conversation.
20100401 15:01:49< Gambit> Just go in and enable games :@
20100401 15:02:09< Unnheulu|Laptop> wait
20100401 15:02:09< Gambit> You bought the pro version, it thought you were too cool for minesweeper.
20100401 15:02:14< Unnheulu|Laptop> no smiley face! :O
20100401 15:02:15< Gambit> It was a simple mistake.
20100401 15:02:31< Blarumyrrar> Yeah, it has no more smiley face
20100401 15:02:36< Blarumyrrar> It still looks prettier than Kmines though
20100401 15:03:16 * Unnheulu|Laptop has a feeling the forum rng post is sarcasm, but can't be sure
20100401 15:04:15< Ivanovic> Unnheulu|Laptop: sarcasm?
20100401 15:04:19< Ivanovic> no, clearly not sarcasm
20100401 15:04:28< Unnheulu|Laptop> meh
20100401 15:04:45< Unnheulu|Laptop> Ivanovic, I'm slightly concerned that today's release is only 1/4 complete
20100401 15:04:47< Gambit> Yeah, it's definitely a welcome change to have every strike take over 10 seconds to calculate Unnheulu|Laptop.
20100401 15:05:18< Unnheulu|Laptop> totally Gambit
20100401 15:05:53< Gambit> Does the RNG upgrade (or any other features) require upgrading from RC1 to 1.8?
20100401 15:06:08< Gambit> No changelog :\
20100401 15:07:37< Ivanovic> "Random numbers are generated on the Wesnoth multiplayer server during MP combats." http://wesnoth.org/start/1.8
20100401 15:07:48< Ivanovic> and yeah, it is in the changelog, just some versions ago
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20100401 15:10:39< Unnheulu|Laptop> *yawns again*
20100401 15:10:42< Ivanovic> Gambit: you should update to 1.8 anyway since some more bugs were fixed
20100401 15:10:46< Unnheulu|Laptop> Ble mae shadowmaster -.-
20100401 15:11:06< Unnheulu|Laptop> Gambit, do you talk python?
20100401 15:11:41< Gambit> No I've not charmed any snakes in years.
20100401 15:11:46< Unnheulu|Laptop> :/
20100401 15:11:49< Gambit> Parrots now, mostly.
20100401 15:12:40< Gambit> Nope. I don't know python.
20100401 15:12:59< Unnheulu|Laptop> kay
20100401 15:13:02< Gambit> wtf happened to xkcd
20100401 15:13:07< Gambit> OH april fools -_-
20100401 15:13:10< Unnheulu|Laptop> :P
20100401 15:13:18< Unnheulu|Laptop> but its gone 12 :P
20100401 15:13:48< Gambit> lol if you type in help (like if you forget the commands list)
20100401 15:13:53< Gambit> "That would be cheating!"
20100401 15:14:45< Unnheulu|Laptop> aww
20100401 15:14:53< Unnheulu|Laptop> It won't let me do sudo rm -rf * /
20100401 15:15:14< Gambit> Wouldn't you have to know Randalls pass for that?
20100401 15:15:19< Gambit> I bet it's "nasa"
20100401 15:15:35< Unnheulu|Laptop> it doesn't even ask for a password
20100401 15:15:40< Unnheulu|Laptop> just won't do anything
20100401 15:16:00< Unnheulu|Laptop> since I quit
20100401 15:16:04< Gambit> yay! new avg update fixed false positive.
20100401 15:16:05< Ivanovic> try this one: su -c "rm -rf /"
20100401 15:16:10< Unnheulu|Laptop> Can you try sudo init.6?
20100401 15:16:24< Unnheulu|Laptop> wait
20100401 15:16:30< Ivanovic> the * before the / is really not required
20100401 15:16:34< Unnheulu|Laptop> linux can't do it remotely :/
20100401 15:16:37< Unnheulu|Laptop> Ivanovic, isn't it?
20100401 15:17:01< Ivanovic> linux can do anything remotely unless it is configured to prohibit some actions
20100401 15:17:07 * Unnheulu|Laptop thought it needed a wildcard
20100401 15:17:28< Ivanovic> linux is a multiuser system that is designed to also work "remove only" without a display attached to the machine you do maintain
20100401 15:17:31< Unnheulu|Laptop> I thought shutting down remotely was disabled for safety or something
20100401 15:17:33< Ivanovic> no wild card required
20100401 15:17:37< Unnheulu|Laptop> ok
20100401 15:17:40< Ivanovic> why should it?
20100401 15:17:54< Ivanovic> as admin you might *want* to shutdown a machine remotely if it is under attack
20100401 15:18:02< Unnheulu|Laptop> perhaps
20100401 15:18:21< Unnheulu|Laptop> but if you shut it down by mistake when the server room is locked...
20100401 15:18:33< Ivanovic> bad luck!
20100401 15:19:04< Ivanovic> "what if you are cleaning a gun, forgot to remove the bullets and pull the trigger?"
20100401 15:19:10< Ivanovic> same case, shit happens!
20100401 15:20:26< Unnheulu|Laptop> :D
20100401 15:20:36< Unnheulu|Laptop> someone slept with a gun under his pillow with safety off
20100401 15:20:37< Gambit> That would make a great bumper sticker.
20100401 15:20:43< Unnheulu|Laptop> lol Gambit
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20100401 15:26:44< Ivanovic> and in the "land without common sense" the one shooting himself in the foot when doing so might go on trail against the weapon manufacturer because the manual did not state to remove the bullets before cleaning the weapon
20100401 15:27:03< Ivanovic> and yeah, chances are probably good to win this law suite in this "land without common sense"
20100401 15:27:05< Ivanovic> ;)
20100401 15:27:16< Unnheulu|Laptop> true
20100401 15:28:47< Unnheulu|Laptop> anyways, I'm giving up searching for the bug for the frontend for wesnoth-tc, the code is executing as it should...
20100401 15:29:19< Unnheulu|Laptop> (except for the obvious bug which only affects 5 colours)
20100401 15:29:19< Gambit> what if the wesnoth AI did it?
20100401 15:29:41< Unnheulu|Laptop> the AI is causing a bug on a system without wesnoth? :P
20100401 15:30:02< Gambit> You transfer stuff between computers?
20100401 15:30:06< Gambit> The AI is like a virus :o
20100401 15:31:05< Unnheulu|Laptop> nope
20100401 15:31:30< Unnheulu|Laptop> aah
20100401 15:31:33< Gambit> I have only one more theory.
20100401 15:31:35< Unnheulu|Laptop> this game has a glitch
20100401 15:31:48< Unnheulu|Laptop> I disbanded the person who had to stay alive so now i can't lose :)
20100401 15:31:49< Gambit> Certain light patterns can cause the brain to tell the body to produce strange cells
20100401 15:32:00< Gambit> these cells can kill you (as seen i nthe ring)
20100401 15:32:09< Gambit> OR they cause you to write a virus in your sleep
20100401 15:32:12< Gambit> a computer virus
20100401 15:32:16< Gambit> on your computer :o
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20100401 15:32:47< Unnheulu|Laptop> ...
20100401 15:33:12< Unnheulu|Laptop> yes gambit very likely..
20100401 15:42:01< VurtualRuler98> Your brain cannot produce cells
20100401 15:42:08< VurtualRuler98> That's the job of other actual cells
20100401 15:42:14< Unnheulu|Laptop> Is the server the one that comes up with the random numbers right now?
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20100401 15:44:48< Unnheulu|Laptop> shadowmaster appears not to be coming :/
20100401 15:46:52< Unnheulu|Laptop> bbl
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20100401 16:21:31< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: "the brain tell the body to produce strange cells" :o
20100401 16:21:50< Gambit> It tells the other cells.
20100401 16:22:05< Gambit> Furthermore; this is a Wesnoth thing. So we have magic.
20100401 16:22:09< Gambit> Even in the real world. :o
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20100401 17:04:33< Unnheulu> how do you uninstall with scons?
20100401 17:04:39< Gambit> Unnheulu: Don't spoil the april fools joke :(
20100401 17:04:42< Unnheulu> sudo scons remove and sudo scons uninstall don't work
20100401 17:04:46< Unnheulu> sorry Gambit :)
20100401 17:06:38< Unnheulu> Gambit: edited my post :)
20100401 17:07:52< Gambit> Googles april fools joke is funny. :)
20100401 17:07:59< Unnheulu> is it? :D
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20100401 17:09:19< Unnheulu> lol
20100401 17:09:42< Unnheulu> Note: It is not Google’s responsibility if you are offended or disappointed by what your chosen animal may say. Also please note, we do not guarantee stimulating conversation.
20100401 17:11:11< Unnheulu> Gambit: Though I'm not sure. It'd be great if someone could start a poll to see how much people would be willing to pay for good quality random numbers.
20100401 17:11:13< Unnheulu> oops
20100401 17:11:19< Unnheulu> Gambit: Though I'm not sure. It'd be great if someone could start a poll to see how much people would be willing to pay for good quality random numbers.
20100401 17:11:26< Unnheulu> I'm waiting :P
20100401 17:11:44< Gambit> Can regular users even start polls?
20100401 17:11:49< Unnheulu> not sure
20100401 17:11:52< Unnheulu> thoguth they could
20100401 17:12:11< Unnheulu> maybe not
20100401 17:13:40< Unnheulu> Gambit: How do I uninstall with scones!!?!!
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20100401 17:15:26< Gambit> You eat them.
20100401 17:15:37< Gambit> Then they're gone. Or in other words "uninstalled".
20100401 17:15:48< Unnheulu> :P
20100401 17:16:05< Unnheulu> you eat them with clotted cream and jam duuuuh
20100401 17:16:13< Unnheulu> but how do I uninstall with it!?!?!
20100401 17:16:30< Gambit> I dunno. I have one of those good OS's.
20100401 17:16:35< Gambit> The ones with user interfaces :o
20100401 17:16:38< Gambit> ;)
20100401 17:16:40< Unnheulu> :P
20100401 17:16:51< Unnheulu> Gambit: we're getting there...slowly
20100401 17:16:55< Gambit> I just announced that I was shutting down my school's forum. :)
20100401 17:17:00< Unnheulu> hehe
20100401 17:17:06< Unnheulu> We just lost a UI this morning however
20100401 17:17:21< Gambit> Next up is my clan. After almost three years of faithful service, I am quitting. ;)
20100401 17:17:32< Unnheulu> but its quarter past four :P
20100401 17:17:37< Gambit> So?
20100401 17:17:43< Unnheulu> thats gone noon :P
20100401 17:18:01< Gambit> it's 11 am april first here.
20100401 17:18:08< Unnheulu> meh fair enough
20100401 17:19:31< Unnheulu> Gambit: How do I uninstall with scons then!!?!!
20100401 17:19:38< Gambit> Oooh better yet, half the guys from our most bitter rivals will be joining the PC division >:[
20100401 17:19:50< Gambit> That'll drive the console guys nuts because I have total control on PC.
20100401 17:19:58< Gambit> Unnheulu: I DONT KNOW
20100401 17:20:00< Gambit> lol
20100401 17:20:13< Unnheulu> *cries*
20100401 17:20:16< Unnheulu> oh wait
20100401 17:20:20< Unnheulu> I didn't install with scons^^
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20100401 18:22:19< Unnheulu|Laptop> ardent's ruined it all :(
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20100401 18:59:09< Unnheulu> ewwy
20100401 18:59:19< Unnheulu> the font for village names is sooo ugly
20100401 18:59:23< Jarkko> ?
20100401 18:59:44< Unnheulu> If you go on random map, you know it makes random village names?
20100401 18:59:48< Unnheulu> The font is ugly as :P
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20100401 19:07:55< ancestral> Actually the color of map labels I think could be improved — they can be kind of hard to read
20100401 19:08:14< ancestral> Unnheulu: You can change the font
20100401 19:08:49< ancestral> e.g. http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=25114
20100401 19:09:28< Gambit> Who wants to help spread the april fools joke around the MP lobby? :)
20100401 19:10:52< Unnheulu> I just upped to svn :(
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20100401 19:11:12< ancestral> You mean the one where Wesnoth 1.8 is the last release, where Nintendo has hired half the dev staff to work on Fire Emblem 2, with the other half resigning in protest?
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20100401 19:13:52< Unnheulu> Gambit: where are the macro's defined? :/
20100401 19:14:02< Unnheulu> you told me a while back but I forgot :P
20100401 19:14:02< Gambit> data/core/macros
20100401 19:14:07< Unnheulu> ok, thanks
20100401 19:14:14< Unnheulu> oh yeh >.>
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20100401 19:17:39< Unnheulu> aww, unit names aren't randomly generated? :(
20100401 19:17:49< Gambit> Yes they are.
20100401 19:17:51< Gambit> There is a list.
20100401 19:17:55< Gambit> It cuts that list into sylables
20100401 19:17:59< Gambit> Then combines them randomly.
20100401 19:18:00< Unnheulu> oh, *phew*
20100401 19:18:05< Gambit> Based on some rules or some such thiong.
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20100401 19:29:31< Jarkko> Gambit: I could use some critique :(
20100401 19:29:39< Gambit> errr on art?
20100401 19:29:45< Jarkko> Yeah.
20100401 19:30:06< Gambit> Which piece in particular? (not really my department)
20100401 19:30:34< Jarkko> Check out the latest in my art thread and you'll see.
20100401 19:30:53< Gambit> His head is massive.
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20100401 19:31:59< Jarkko> Like too long, or too wide?
20100401 19:32:22< Gambit> er both
20100401 19:32:58< Jarkko> Okay - the usual issue has kicked in once again, then xD
20100401 19:32:58< Gambit> Unless he's a dwarf.
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20100401 19:36:40< PeterPorty> GUYS!
20100401 19:36:44< Jarkko> Is there anything else worth of mentioning?
20100401 19:36:53< Unnheulu> wut
20100401 19:36:53< PeterPorty> 1.8 is out!!!
20100401 19:36:57< Unnheulu> I know!
20100401 19:36:59< PeterPorty> COOL!!!
20100401 19:37:21< PeterPorty> I had heard it was coming out today, but i didnt think it was true!
20100401 19:37:48< PeterPorty> Ivanovic, u r the guy that handles the translations right?
20100401 19:37:50< Unnheulu> PeterPorty: have you heard about the even more exciting new rng?
20100401 19:38:06< PeterPorty> cuz i read help is needed
20100401 19:38:10< PeterPorty> no, i havent
20100401 19:38:17< PeterPorty> im just opening mizilla
20100401 19:38:21< PeterPorty> mozilla*
20100401 19:38:22< Ivanovic> yes, i do handle some translation stuff
20100401 19:38:25< Unnheulu> still on mozilla?
20100401 19:38:29< PeterPorty> yes
20100401 19:38:30< Unnheulu> upgrade to firefox :P
20100401 19:38:35< Unnheulu> mozilla's ancient
20100401 19:38:48< PeterPorty> mozilla-firefox...
20100401 19:38:57< Gambit> PeterPorty: He does more than translations.
20100401 19:39:01< Gambit> He's like a conductor.
20100401 19:39:09< PeterPorty> so bad theres no chrome in linux
20100401 19:39:12< PeterPorty> hi gambit
20100401 19:39:13< Unnheulu> There is
20100401 19:39:16< Gambit> The grand wesnoth development orchestra.
20100401 19:39:19< Unnheulu> But, you don't wanna use that?
20100401 19:39:26< Unnheulu> Whats wrong with epiphany? <3
20100401 19:39:43< PeterPorty> i like arora
20100401 19:40:00< PeterPorty> its like KISS but with only 1 "S"
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20100401 19:40:33< PeterPorty> so Ivanovic, i could translate something to spanish or french
20100401 19:40:48< Ivanovic> PeterPorty: try to contact the official maintainers
20100401 19:40:50< PeterPorty> spanish preferably
20100401 19:40:51< PeterPorty> ok
20100401 19:40:55< Ivanovic> there email addresses are listed in the wiki
20100401 19:41:02< PeterPorty> ok, thx...
20100401 19:41:05< PeterPorty> brb
20100401 19:41:16< Ivanovic> don't worry if they don't react within one day, can take some days
20100401 19:41:22< Unnheulu> I could start translating into welsh, but, totally not finish it^^
20100401 19:41:33< Unnheulu> Plus I don't wanna spend my life as a translater :P
20100401 19:42:07< Gambit> nobody has started on that lolcat translation yet ;)
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20100401 19:42:31< Jarkko> How about a translation in leetspeak? :o
20100401 19:42:37< Unnheulu> On a more serious version of Gambit's statement, noone has started a child friendly translation of wesnoth yet?
20100401 19:42:51< Unnheulu> Jarkko: you know what, that would expand our userbase into the more teenage section
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20100401 19:43:01< Gambit> Children don't read.
20100401 19:43:01< Unnheulu> I believe that project should be initiated asap
20100401 19:43:14< sevis> Wesnoth isn't teen-friendly? O___o
20100401 19:43:15< Gambit> Think back to when you were a child.
20100401 19:43:18< Unnheulu> Gambit: I mean swear free wesnoth
20100401 19:43:19< Unnheulu> ok
20100401 19:43:27< Unnheulu> I remember holding a copy of the hobbit
20100401 19:43:29< Unnheulu> :P
20100401 19:43:35< Gambit> "Gather up all your mates and kill everyone noth wearing the same colored t-shirt".
20100401 19:43:49< Gambit> Oh well if these kids read the hobbit they should be more than fine with a few curse words.
20100401 19:43:51< Jarkko> I really don't see the point in trying to filter out all swearwords... The kids learn them anyways... <_<;
20100401 19:44:09< PARLIAMENT> replace the english wesnoth text with a google translation of the korean localization
20100401 19:44:12< Gambit> Unnheulu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiloh_(novel)
20100401 19:44:23< Gambit> If they're reading Hobbit, they've probably read that ^^
20100401 19:44:30< Unnheulu> Jarkko: if you were a responsible parent, would you allow your child to be playing a computer game with obscenities in it?
20100401 19:44:41< Unnheulu> Gambit: I havn't...
20100401 19:45:00< Gambit> It's a childrens book about a dog.
20100401 19:45:04< Gambit> It has more cursing than wesnoth.
20100401 19:45:33< Unnheulu> but, still...
20100401 19:46:15< Jarkko> Unnheulu: I possibly would, because I'd realize, that there's no way to wrap them into a bubblewrap and protect them from all evils of the world. Besides, despite the greatest parental efforts it is only a matter of time...
20100401 19:46:31< Gambit> we have nude mermaids
20100401 19:46:32< Unnheulu> Indeed
20100401 19:46:39< Unnheulu> But increasing the time...
20100401 19:46:49< Unnheulu> Gambit: but, does the child know that :P
20100401 19:47:16< Gambit> Well if they play HttT I assume so.
20100401 19:47:30< Unnheulu> I mean, does he know the mermaids are nude ;)
20100401 19:48:11< Gambit> That logic will fail if I apply it to other examples. You do realize that right?
20100401 19:48:19< Unnheulu> perhaps
20100401 19:48:24< Unnheulu> the difference is
20100401 19:48:33< Unnheulu> the child can ask his/her parents what a word means
20100401 19:48:39< Unnheulu> with a graphic, it might be different
20100401 19:48:46< Gambit> Mommy, what are those things?
20100401 19:48:49< Gambit> :P
20100401 19:48:51< Unnheulu> ^^
20100401 19:49:23< Unnheulu> http://devdocs.wesnoth.org/terrain__translation_8hpp.html
20100401 19:49:27< Unnheulu> wow look at the graphic
20100401 19:54:00< Ivanovic> PeterPorty: paying for open source work does *not* go against the believes with it
20100401 19:54:11< PeterPorty> it does
20100401 19:54:24< Ivanovic> the free in wesnoth is *not* the one as in free beer but the one as it is in free speech
20100401 19:54:50< PeterPorty> well, i still hope its just a joke
20100401 19:55:02< Ivanovic> have a look at the iphone port
20100401 19:55:04< PeterPorty> or ill do burn and re-burn the guy
20100401 19:55:08< Ivanovic> it is *not* free of charge
20100401 19:55:10< ancestral> Well, today is not the 2nd of April, so…
20100401 19:55:23< PeterPorty> what?
20100401 19:55:24< Ivanovic> yes, the sources for it are available
20100401 19:55:48< Ivanovic> but the binary costs money and can be obtained via the apple appstore
20100401 19:55:50< ancestral> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_1
20100401 19:56:25< Ivanovic> in general it is *perfectly* fine to earn money with open source software
20100401 19:56:56< Ivanovic> you just have to follow the license terms, which, in case of the gpl, state that your modifications have to be made available under the gpl, too
20100401 19:57:08< Ivanovic> and that you have to provide your changed sources upon request
20100401 19:57:31< Ivanovic> and yes, even this providing does not have to be for free, eg you can ask for the money it costs you to burn it on a cd and ship that
20100401 19:59:23< Ivanovic> opensource is clearly not the same as freeware or freebeer
20100401 19:59:45< elias> wesnoth is doing really well on the iphone app store
20100401 20:00:24< elias> always beating our RPG :P
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20100401 20:00:28< ancestral> Today Apple is 34 years old
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20100401 20:02:36< Unnheulu> elias: allacrost is on the appstore?
20100401 20:02:44 * Unnheulu needs to try allacrost
20100401 20:02:56< Unnheulu> elias: or do you mean that weird spinny thing with the yellow elephant? :P
20100401 20:03:01< elias> :P
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20100401 20:03:10< elias> i have nothing to do with allacrost
20100401 20:03:15< Unnheulu> don't you?...
20100401 20:03:21< PeterPorty> I isist that making a premium wesnoth is a really bad idea
20100401 20:03:23< Unnheulu> aaargh too many elias's!!!!
20100401 20:03:40< Unnheulu> PeterPorty: Well, judging from poll responses; you are in the minimum
20100401 20:03:53< elias> yeah, it's the #2 most given name or so in germany
20100401 20:04:16< Ivanovic> *not*
20100401 20:04:17< Unnheulu> Wesnoth will be able to offer a far greater mp experience, and a much more immersive gaming experience once the premium service is up
20100401 20:04:34< Unnheulu> Unless I'm missing something :P
20100401 20:04:35< elias> given to newborhs... it is not in total (yet)
20100401 20:04:38< elias> *newborns
20100401 20:05:04< PeterPorty> I'm totally leaving wesnoth if I have to pay for it, its the best game ive ever played, but im not paying for it...
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20100401 20:05:20< Unnheulu> PeterPorty: Why not fork the game whilst you can then? :)
20100401 20:05:30< Unnheulu> Or use an alternative server, noones stopping you from doing that
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20100401 20:05:39< Unnheulu> You just get a less accurrate rng
20100401 20:05:51< PeterPorty> yeah, but its unfair
20100401 20:06:27< Unnheulu> PeterPorty: think about all the wesnoth artists and musicians, don't you think they would put in more effort from the lure of money?
20100401 20:06:38< Unnheulu> Not that already don't, they would just put in uber effort :P
20100401 20:06:47< PeterPorty> its like runescape (im oviously not comparing the games, just the situaton) everybody stopped playing when thay found out thay had to pay to get the awesmoe stuff other people got
20100401 20:07:14< Unnheulu> PeterPorty: that isn't strictly true
20100401 20:07:21< Unnheulu> they still have a *massive* userbase
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20100401 20:07:26< PeterPorty> no, getting payed shouldnt be a reason to put more effort into it
20100401 20:07:29< elias> Unnheulu: if they would want money they'd probably spend their time in another way than contributing to Wesnoth... money is probably almost never the reason to contribute to free software
20100401 20:07:41< PeterPorty> exactly
20100401 20:07:42< Unnheulu> Plus, its better than, say, WoW, where you *have* to pay
20100401 20:08:10< PeterPorty> no, at least in wow everyone gets all the stuff
20100401 20:08:33< ancestral> I think people would pay for Wesnoth if it continually had new, rich content
20100401 20:08:41< ancestral> But that hasn't happened
20100401 20:08:47< Gambit> Charge for access to the addon server
20100401 20:08:54< ancestral> It does get it, just over a much longer period of time ;-)
20100401 20:08:57< Gambit> And pass some of that onto UMC devs :$
20100401 20:08:57< PeterPorty> no, thats even worse
20100401 20:09:13< Gambit> Bingo: Constant fresh content.
20100401 20:09:17< PeterPorty> it should stay free, maybe have ads to get money dunno
20100401 20:09:23< Unnheulu> PeterPorty: fine then, sacrifice the great new rng
20100401 20:09:26< ancestral> Well "it" will
20100401 20:09:32< ancestral> The code is GPL
20100401 20:09:54< ancestral> "They" is just some people
20100401 20:09:58< PeterPorty> well, id rather keep both the game free AND the rng
20100401 20:10:15< Gambit> You can't have your cake and not pay for it.
20100401 20:10:22< Unnheulu> You can't, as due toa  server intensive method, the resources are massive
20100401 20:10:24< PeterPorty> i dont see a reason for not having both
20100401 20:10:37< ancestral> Gambit: Actually…
20100401 20:10:42< Unnheulu> Who'll be paying the server costs?
20100401 20:10:43< PeterPorty> lopl
20100401 20:10:49< ancestral> In many cases a few premium users pays for everyone else
20100401 20:10:50< Unnheulu> The freeloaders or the developers?
20100401 20:10:56< ancestral> Like Google's services
20100401 20:11:06< ancestral> Premium users help pay for everyone else
20100401 20:11:22< Gambit> ancestral: Yeah that's how it is in Combat Arms and other micromanagement systems
20100401 20:11:36< Gambit> It is unfortunate that we (the payers) are despised for having better things :\
20100401 20:11:57< ancestral> PeterPorty: Don't worry, nothing's going to happen, and if it does, you better believe nothing will be rushed
20100401 20:12:09< ancestral> Gambit: What?
20100401 20:12:10< PeterPorty> thx ancestral
20100401 20:12:13< Gambit> PeterPorty: Please uncolor your signature.
20100401 20:12:19< PeterPorty> : (
20100401 20:12:28< PeterPorty> dont you like the shiny little colors?
20100401 20:12:35< Unnheulu> Moderaters only
20100401 20:12:38< ancestral> Gambit: Whatever happened to giving money to those who deserve it?
20100401 20:12:38< Gambit> It is distracting.
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20100401 20:12:46< Gambit> ancestral: ?
20100401 20:12:54< ancestral> "It is unfortunate that we (the payers) are despised for having better things "
20100401 20:12:55< Gambit> I don't follow.
20100401 20:13:03< ancestral> Oh
20100401 20:13:03< PeterPorty> : (
20100401 20:13:06< Gambit> Yeah. The non paying players tend to hate on the paying ones.
20100401 20:13:08< ancestral> I misinterpreted what you wrote
20100401 20:13:17< Unnheulu> Actually, I would support any systems to allow micromanagement services
20100401 20:13:19< Gambit> They don't realize they can only play for free because of the people paying.
20100401 20:13:20< Unnheulu> *micropayment
20100401 20:13:20< ancestral> Interesting
20100401 20:13:36< ancestral> I guess I could see this false sense of pretentiousness
20100401 20:13:39< ancestral> Sure
20100401 20:13:58< Gambit> And worse yet they hate on the company for charging for good content.
20100401 20:13:59< Unnheulu> think about the uses of a premium currency
20100401 20:14:16< Unnheulu> £0.59 and you get a flaming sword
20100401 20:14:22< ancestral> So… next time we should have like a meetup and release party
20100401 20:14:37< Unnheulu> (or rather, £0.59 for 20 Wesnoth Cents
20100401 20:14:43< ancestral> I really should have thought of this weeks ago
20100401 20:14:45< Unnheulu> and 20 wesnoth cents for a flaming sword
20100401 20:14:56< Unnheulu> It would incredibly improve campaigning experience
20100401 20:15:10< Gambit> Yeah and $39.99 for one month wesnoth MP moderator.
20100401 20:15:19< Gambit> (no seriously)
20100401 20:15:26< Gambit> I've seen that in big name games.
20100401 20:15:32< PeterPorty> no, no, no, no, NO! not paying for wesnoth... maybe it would be good that t charged, a lot of people might get a social life
20100401 20:15:34< Gambit> You can buy moderator priveledges.
20100401 20:15:35< Unnheulu> Seriously?
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20100401 20:16:08< Unnheulu> (not so bad about £25 by my reckoning(
20100401 20:16:10< Gambit> PeterPorty: Do you buy any commercial games?
20100401 20:16:15< Gambit> PC, PS3, Xbox?
20100401 20:16:19< Unnheulu> wii?
20100401 20:16:22< PeterPorty> nope
20100401 20:16:29< Gambit> aka nintendos shot in the dar
20100401 20:16:30< PeterPorty> I got a wii for christmas tho
20100401 20:16:35< PeterPorty> from an aunt
20100401 20:16:43< Gambit> Okay well games for the wii are like $40 each I think.
20100401 20:16:48< ancestral> Wesnoth wii would be pretty awesome…
20100401 20:16:50< Gambit> You'll get a few hours of enjoyment out of each.
20100401 20:17:03< PeterPorty> and ive had a PS2 since a birthday, dont remember what ae...
20100401 20:17:10< Gambit> Though I hear wii sports is unlimited fun while drunk...
20100401 20:17:18< PeterPorty> lopl+
20100401 20:17:27< Gambit> anyway the point is that even if you've been paying that $9.99 every year
20100401 20:17:32< Gambit> since wesnoth was created
20100401 20:17:44< Gambit> It is still only as much as a standard commercial game.
20100401 20:17:56< Unnheulu> wait $40?
20100401 20:18:00< Unnheulu> they're £40 to -.-
20100401 20:18:04< PeterPorty> I  pay a dollññar for each wii and ps2 game
20100401 20:18:06< Gambit> Well Wii isn't standard.
20100401 20:18:08< Gambit> They're cheap :o
20100401 20:18:09< PeterPorty> only cd cost
20100401 20:18:28< Gambit> $60-$70 for *real* video games.
20100401 20:18:29< Gambit> :P
20100401 20:18:32< Unnheulu> pirate :O
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20100401 20:18:41< Unnheulu> Gambit: most pc games are £30-£40
20100401 20:18:52< PeterPorty> or ... $1
20100401 20:18:53< Unnheulu> pretty much highest price is £45
20100401 20:18:59< Unnheulu> PeterPorty: pirate
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20100401 20:19:08< Gambit> Indeed.
20100401 20:19:13< PeterPorty> or $1
20100401 20:19:18< Gambit> I kind of lost my point here now...
20100401 20:19:45< Gambit> I say pirate in the same way I might if I was being stuck by a porcupine...
20100401 20:20:15< Gambit> I guess what I'm really trying to say here is
20100401 20:20:19< Gambit> I HATE SAUERKRAUT!
20100401 20:20:36< PeterPorty> the difference is i can pay that $1 games with my allowence and not wesnoth, since id need a credit card
20100401 20:21:02< Gambit> PeterPorty: You're part of a very large problem in the gaming industry.
20100401 20:21:05< ancestral> You don't for the iPhone
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20100401 20:21:12< ancestral> You can use gift cards
20100401 20:21:17< Gambit> People like you drive prices up and quality down.
20100401 20:21:30< ancestral> And with PayPal you can use your bank account if you have one
20100401 20:21:38< PeterPorty> only prices, quality is going down by itaself
20100401 20:21:40< ancestral> It's all hypothetical
20100401 20:21:43< Gambit> No
20100401 20:21:48< Unnheulu> A 300-page book of Gordon Brown's best speeches, called The Change We Choose; Speeches 2007-2009, has been published by "popular demand". 
20100401 20:21:54< Gambit> Because development money is spent on fucking anti piracy software.
20100401 20:21:54< ancestral> Since wesnoth.org doesn't charge for anything yet
20100401 20:22:14< Gambit> Quality is driven down by pirates.
20100401 20:22:21< Gambit> Even more so than price is driven up.
20100401 20:22:33< PeterPorty> their fault, not mine...they spend their money as they want to and i do the same...
20100401 20:22:43< ancestral> I agree with Gambit
20100401 20:23:10< ancestral> Do you know why DVDs come with extra content and bonus discs and stuff?
20100401 20:23:21< ancestral> Premium content, electronic versions…
20100401 20:23:32< Unnheulu> To stop the pirates -.-
20100401 20:23:38< Unnheulu> And it wastes time
20100401 20:23:45< Unnheulu> PeterPorty: Are you american?
20100401 20:23:47< ancestral> It's an incentive to get people to buy it instead of pirating it, yes
20100401 20:23:47< Gambit> It all ultimately fails too, which is even more aggrevating.
20100401 20:23:49< PeterPorty> nope
20100401 20:23:53< PeterPorty> I'm Chilean
20100401 20:23:58< Gambit> Thanks to pirates, paying customers get screwed.
20100401 20:24:11< ancestral> Define "screwed"
20100401 20:24:18< Gambit> In a word? ubisoft :P
20100401 20:24:26< PeterPorty> thats the problem, paying customers
20100401 20:24:33< ancestral> Gambit: You're going to have to elaborate
20100401 20:24:43< Unnheulu> Gambit: shall we contact the chilean authorities about PeterPorty's pirating habits?
20100401 20:25:00< Gambit> ancestral: They recently implemented a DRM in which you have to be constantly connected to the internet even to play single player games
20100401 20:25:07< Gambit> The first game to use this new DRM
20100401 20:25:08< Unnheulu> Screwed=Spore
20100401 20:25:13< Gambit> was cracked before it even hit store shelves
20100401 20:25:14< ancestral> Gambit: I'll play devil's advocate here
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20100401 20:25:17< PeterPorty> sure, right after you contact them for the 1000 people selling the games
20100401 20:25:24< Gambit> the day after the release, the DRM server was down
20100401 20:25:28< Gambit> paying customers can't play
20100401 20:25:29< ancestral> Okay that sucks
20100401 20:25:32< Gambit> pirates are just peachy.
20100401 20:25:32< Unnheulu> Gambit: shall we contact the chilean authorities about PeterPorty's pirating habits?
20100401 20:25:44< ancestral> So much for my devil's advocate
20100401 20:25:46< Gambit> That has proven innefective.
20100401 20:25:54< PeterPorty> Go ahead unnheulu
20100401 20:25:55< Gambit> Unnheulu: ^^
20100401 20:26:04< PeterPorty> wont work at all
20100401 20:26:18< Gambit> And guess what ancestral the DRM server wasn't just down, it was DoS'd.
20100401 20:26:23< Gambit> By a pirate -_-
20100401 20:26:32< Gambit> Self righteous jerks.
20100401 20:26:40< ancestral> 150.253.120.200.cm.vtr.net
20100401 20:26:46< PeterPorty> exactly
20100401 20:27:02< Unnheulu> PeterPorty: and there wouldn't even *be* a server if not for pirates
20100401 20:27:13< ancestral> Well
20100401 20:27:23< ancestral> Sometimes games make right
20100401 20:27:45< Unnheulu> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8592444.stm
20100401 20:27:45< ancestral> http://www.2kgames.com/civ4/complete/
20100401 20:27:55< Unnheulu> ancestral: that game pwns!
20100401 20:27:59< ancestral> :)
20100401 20:28:03< Unnheulu> PeterPorty: and no, I didn't pirate it
20100401 20:28:11< ancestral> Hey if you're up for a Civ game at some point, let's go :)
20100401 20:28:21< Unnheulu> :P
20100401 20:28:30< Unnheulu> Not today though, too late
20100401 20:28:45< Gambit> I hear there is a really neat wesnoth addon that makes it a lot like Cib
20100401 20:28:47< ancestral> Maybe… maybe this weekend
20100401 20:28:47< Gambit> *Civ
20100401 20:28:49< PeterPorty> no wait, u got it all wrong...
20100401 20:28:53< PeterPorty> thats not my ip
20100401 20:29:01< ancestral> Gambit: Hahaha
20100401 20:29:45< PeterPorty> Its 200.120.253.150
20100401 20:29:54< Gambit> I bet you guys can't hack me!
20100401 20:30:02< Gambit> My IP is 127.0.0.1 :o
20100401 20:30:06< PeterPorty> not 150.200.120.253
20100401 20:30:18< ancestral> Or 192.168.0.1
20100401 20:30:20< PeterPorty> that one is from a guy in china
20100401 20:30:21< ancestral> Or 10.0.0.1
20100401 20:30:26< ancestral> etc.
20100401 20:30:38< Gambit> 192.168.0.1 is not necesarily a valid address.
20100401 20:30:44< Gambit> Is it?
20100401 20:30:46< ancestral> It is a valid address
20100401 20:30:49< ancestral> Well
20100401 20:30:56< ancestral> It's a valid address on a local server
20100401 20:31:08< ancestral> My modem has that address
20100401 20:31:12< ancestral> locally
20100401 20:31:18< ancestral> In fact most people's routers do
20100401 20:31:28< Gambit> It really depends.
20100401 20:31:44< Gambit> My last router started dishing out at 192.168.0.32
20100401 20:31:49< ancestral> Sure
20100401 20:31:59< ancestral> All ActionTech modems are 192.168.0.1
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20100401 20:33:08< Gambit> Also what port will you use :o
20100401 20:33:08< PeterPorty> Gambit, is your name by any chance Embarq Corporation?
20100401 20:33:17< Gambit> No. My name is Derek.
20100401 20:33:19< Gambit> :P
20100401 20:33:21< PeterPorty> : (
20100401 20:33:26< PeterPorty> got it wrong then....
20100401 20:33:30< Gambit> My ISP *was* embarq.
20100401 20:33:38< Gambit> But they were recently bought out.
20100401 20:33:45< PeterPorty> ohhh...
20100401 20:33:45< Gambit> And no I am not impressed by whois'ing.
20100401 20:33:48< Gambit> :P
20100401 20:34:06< PeterPorty> didnt intend to impress you
20100401 20:34:13< PeterPorty> not with that anyway
20100401 20:34:30< Gambit> What impressed me recently was someone embedding an image in a private message to me.
20100401 20:34:37< ancestral> It's fun doing whois on big corporation web sites
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20100401 20:34:38< Gambit> And from that getting my IP, and then running a port scan on me 
20100401 20:34:47< Gambit> Which I'm not entirely sure was legal, but definitly lol.
20100401 20:35:02< PeterPorty> your adress isnt 500 N New York Ave right?
20100401 20:35:16< Gambit> omg how'd you guess?!
20100401 20:35:19< Gambit> lol
20100401 20:35:22< PeterPorty> : (
20100401 20:35:29< Gambit> that'd be century links headquarters I belive.
20100401 20:35:35< PeterPorty> your postal code isnt 32789?
20100401 20:35:54< PeterPorty> :' (
20100401 20:35:58< Gambit> Nope.
20100401 20:36:05< Gambit> Century link does buisness all over the country.
20100401 20:36:10< PeterPorty> IPNetInfo sucks....
20100401 20:36:58< Gambit> I used to work at an ISP. I managed to impress my boss once by whois'ing.
20100401 20:37:05< PeterPorty> ...
20100401 20:37:15< Gambit> An ISP they bought out a long time ago had ripped off all their customers
20100401 20:37:20< Gambit> and the owner fled the country.
20100401 20:37:27< PeterPorty> seriously?
20100401 20:37:29< Gambit> I did a whois and was told by the super
20100401 20:37:34< Gambit> if I called that number nobody would pick up
20100401 20:37:38< Gambit> and the address is an empty building
20100401 20:37:48< Gambit> I told him the address was due to run out soon
20100401 20:37:52< Gambit> and sure enough it was renewed
20100401 20:38:03< PeterPorty> -.-
20100401 20:38:04< Gambit> and the physical address was updated
20100401 20:39:05< Gambit> paid for by credit card too.
20100401 20:39:19< Gambit> I'm not sure if they ever acted on the new information, other than to find out how he paid for it.
20100401 20:40:03< PeterPorty> well, I'll keep playing AOI on hard....first time im doing well on a campaign in hard difficulty without cheatting yay!
20100401 20:40:14< Gambit> Not for long.
20100401 20:40:22< PeterPorty> what do you mean?
20100401 20:40:31< PeterPorty> : (
20100401 20:40:43< Gambit> shikadibot: AOI?
20100401 20:40:43< shikadibot> AOI: An Orcish Incursion
20100401 20:40:53< Gambit> Yep, soon your numbers will be really bad ;)
20100401 20:41:00< Gambit> unless you pay for them.
20100401 20:41:10< PeterPorty> ...bye
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20100401 20:46:00< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: bug found+fixed, try it now/when you get back :P
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20100401 20:51:59< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: bug found+fixed, try it now/when you get back :P
20100401 20:51:59< shadowmaster> bluh.
20100401 20:52:06< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: once is enough
20100401 20:52:13< Unnheulu> yeh, I noticed you were back the second time
20100401 20:52:22< Unnheulu> Thought you might'nt have read :P
20100401 20:52:29< shadowmaster> I get all your crap over night.
20100401 20:52:35< Unnheulu> Sorry...
20100401 20:52:39< shadowmaster> I mean, all your useless chatter and gratuitous highlights
20100401 20:52:44< Unnheulu> I know
20100401 20:52:48< Unnheulu> I'll chance it to
20100401 20:52:53< Unnheulu> shadowmast3r
20100401 20:53:05< Unnheulu> then you won't get beeped and I can do what ever I like^^
20100401 20:53:17< shadowmaster> that also highlights me, sorry.
20100401 20:53:20< Gambit> shadowslave?
20100401 20:53:30< Unnheulu> shadowmas73r?
20100401 20:53:31< PeterPorty> O.o shadow's here
20100401 20:53:35 * PeterPorty bows
20100401 20:53:36< shadowmaster> *please*
20100401 20:53:49< Unnheulu> 5hadowma573r?
20100401 20:53:54< Unnheulu> Shadowman?
20100401 20:54:24< Unnheulu> shadowman no bleepy, right?
20100401 20:54:34< shadowmaster> stop it.
20100401 20:54:38< Gambit> areawheredirectlightcannotreachmaster?
20100401 20:54:42< Unnheulu> sorry shadowman
20100401 20:54:46< Unnheulu> lol Gambit 
20100401 20:55:15< team6and7> Is there a .deb file of wesnoth 1.8 out there that i could try
20100401 20:55:28< Unnheulu> *gasp*
20100401 20:55:35< Unnheulu> You broke Ivanovic's rule!!!
20100401 20:56:28< ancestral> 陰達人
20100401 20:56:33< shadowmaster> team6and7: not yet.
20100401 20:56:37< shadowmaster> 1.7.14 is in experimental though
20100401 20:56:54< shadowmaster> and sorry for assuming that you don't use any Debian-based operating system other than Debian
20100401 20:57:09< Unnheulu> team6and7: can
20100401 20:57:14< Unnheulu> 't you compile?...
20100401 20:57:25< Unnheulu> cmake is almost the same as autotools
20100401 20:57:40< Unnheulu> (at least froma user viewpoint before shadowman massacres me) :P
20100401 20:57:56< PeterPorty> of course he cant...
20100401 20:58:08< Unnheulu> why ever not PeterPorty 
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20100401 20:58:24< team6and7> Ill just try that i guess Im on mint linux 8 just a little impacent to make it myself
20100401 20:58:36< shadowmaster> ahh, not Debian even :p
20100401 20:58:45< PeterPorty> : )
20100401 20:58:47< Unnheulu> Wow
20100401 20:58:50< shadowmaster> foreign packages tend to be a bad idea, in general
20100401 20:58:53< Unnheulu> the child distro of a child distro
20100401 20:59:10< shadowmaster> that is, even if Ubuntu and Debian use the same package system and format, dependencies and their availability may vary
20100401 20:59:23< Ivanovic> team6and7: there is a binary but the debian master ftp is broken for a week already
20100401 20:59:27< Ivanovic> so it could not be uploaded yet
20100401 20:59:30< Unnheulu> compiling isn't hard team6and7 
20100401 20:59:47< Unnheulu> I'm <censored> and I can compile :P
20100401 20:59:57< PeterPorty> ShadowMaster, do you know any ubuntu group in santiago?
20100401 20:59:59< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: ah that. :(
20100401 21:00:11< PeterPorty> like...where i can actually learn to do stuff?
20100401 21:00:21< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: no. I'm not the best person to ask about that, seriously
20100401 21:00:25< Unnheulu> learn to do stuff by trying
20100401 21:00:26< Unnheulu> :P
20100401 21:00:26< PeterPorty> ok
20100401 21:00:38< Unnheulu> It might not sound helpful, but, its true
20100401 21:00:38< PeterPorty> thx anyway
20100401 21:01:15< Unnheulu> oh, and shadowman, on the old version, the first 4 colours worked, it was just the last5 which didn't :P
20100401 21:01:22< PeterPorty> onyl problem is that by trying I've got fatal errors that make my OS shout and scream painfully
20100401 21:01:24< team6and7> thanks i should basically follow instuctins for ubuntu?
20100401 21:01:33< Unnheulu> team6and7: yeh
20100401 21:01:40< Unnheulu> team6and7: wait to compile
20100401 21:01:41< Unnheulu> ?
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20100401 21:02:10< Unnheulu> compilation should be similar on most deb/apt based systems
20100401 21:02:16< Unnheulu> sudo apt-get build-dep wesnoth
20100401 21:02:23< Unnheulu> cd wesnoth.x.y.y
20100401 21:02:23< shadowman> Unnheulu: not even red worked for me
20100401 21:02:31< Unnheulu> mkdir build && cd build
20100401 21:03:04< Unnheulu> shadowman: :/ worked here (had a screeny in the forums, remember? :P)
20100401 21:03:11< Unnheulu> cmake ..
20100401 21:03:13< Unnheulu> make
20100401 21:03:16< Unnheulu> sudo make install
20100401 21:03:25< shadowman> Unnheulu: BUT NOT HERE
20100401 21:03:25< Unnheulu> team6and7: simple,  just takes a bit longer :P
20100401 21:03:33< Unnheulu> shadowman: still doesn't work?...
20100401 21:03:39< shadowman> let me get to the forums first
20100401 21:03:42< Unnheulu> ok
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20100401 21:08:00< shadowman> could you at least chmod +x main.py and rename it to something better
20100401 21:08:27< shadowman> okay, it works now
20100401 21:09:46< shadowman> I'm still going to write a Qt4 front-end as part of my excuse for learning about Qt4 anyway
20100401 21:11:13< PeterPorty> MAN! this scenario is hard!
20100401 21:11:19< PeterPorty> u were right gambit
20100401 21:13:03< PeterPorty> hey, is there any down side to having a double boot pc?
20100401 21:15:18< PeterPorty> geeze, i was trying not to use my lvl 3s, but i guess im forced to do it...
20100401 21:17:08< Unnheulu> ok :P
20100401 21:17:31< Unnheulu> chmod +x, that'll make it executable, right?
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20100401 21:18:12< shadowman> Unnheulu: yes
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20100401 21:19:02< PeterPorty> why does he get an answer and i dont?
20100401 21:19:32< Unnheulu> :P
20100401 21:19:47< shadowman> PeterPorty: uh
20100401 21:19:47< PeterPorty> do i need to call shadowmaster sexy?
20100401 21:19:49< shadowman> no, there's no downside
20100401 21:19:54< PeterPorty> thx
20100401 21:19:56< Unnheulu> PeterPorty: none, other than reduced partition size
20100401 21:20:04< Unnheulu> although I think there is a maximum partition size anyways
20100401 21:20:04< shadowman> PeterPorty: other than what Unnheulu says
20100401 21:20:09< shadowman> Unnheulu: no
20100401 21:20:18< Unnheulu> isn't there? kay
20100401 21:20:21< shadowman> there is one but you can't possibly have hardware that would allow you to reach it
20100401 21:20:23< PeterPorty> : )
20100401 21:20:27< Unnheulu> PeterPorty: What shadowmaster says
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20100401 21:20:34< Unnheulu> 2.1 billion?
20100401 21:20:35< PeterPorty> cool, thx guys
20100401 21:20:41< Unnheulu> (approx)
20100401 21:20:45< shadowman> Unnheulu: varies by file system
20100401 21:20:46< sevis> PeterPorty: Depends on what you mean by downside. It might force you to put your files on a bad/worse filesystem than you could with just one.
20100401 21:20:48< shadowman> *afk*
20100401 21:20:50< Unnheulu> ah kay
20100401 21:20:54< Unnheulu> bai
20100401 21:21:08< PeterPorty> hmmm-.....
20100401 21:21:44< Unnheulu> anyways, I'll chmod it tomorrow
20100401 21:22:11< PeterPorty> ! my archer got killed!
20100401 21:22:23< Unnheulu> *gasp*
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20100401 21:23:58< Unnheulu> wesnoth-tc win32 won't run under wine on xubuntu :/
20100401 21:25:45< shadowman> Unnheulu: odd
20100401 21:26:05< shadowman> it runs under WINE on Debian squeeze, which is where the cross-compiler environment I used comes from too
20100401 21:26:27< Unnheulu> meh, most people won't run it under wine, so it doesn't really matter
20100401 21:26:54< shadowman> Unnheulu: you don't need to upload a new package for that. I might repackage your script and upload it on my website
20100401 21:27:01< shadowman> *to
20100401 21:27:08< Unnheulu> ah, ok
20100401 21:27:43< PeterPorty> i dont like wine..
20100401 21:27:45< shadowman> also, regarding the dual boot thing... there are no downsides for me since I've basically never booted the laptop's first OS (windows Vista) again...and if I need to run Windows I run Windows XP with VirtualBox
20100401 21:28:04< shadowman> and since it's VirtualBox, I can share a few parts of the host operating system with the guest
20100401 21:28:11< PeterPorty> hmmm....
20100401 21:28:16< PeterPorty> sexy
20100401 21:28:24< PeterPorty> rawr
20100401 21:28:37< Unnheulu> ...
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20100401 21:29:09< shadowman> yeah. well.
20100401 21:29:16< PeterPorty> i havent been able to boot into my ubuntu recently so...yeah...just a waste of space
20100401 21:32:08< laurence> The downside is you might be tempted to boot into Windows. :p
20100401 21:32:08< [AFK]> I saw different nicks talking and I WTF's for a second and realized I'm on #wesnoth instead of #wowhead
20100401 21:32:18< Unnheulu> :P
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20100401 21:32:59< laurence> Anyway, I just dropped by because I seem to be having a productivity crisis because of Wesnoth, so I thought I should either file a bug report or just express some appreciation. :-)
20100401 21:33:38< Unnheulu> laurence: I know the solution
20100401 21:33:47< Unnheulu> sudo apt-get remove wesnoth :-)
20100401 21:33:49< eyerouge> laurence: Well, you're productive within Wes... that has to count for something. 
20100401 21:34:30< laurence> Unnheulu: Oddly, that doesn't seem to work on my Fedora 12 box. ;-)
20100401 21:34:39< Unnheulu> :P
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20100401 21:34:50< shadowmaster> have fun, kids
20100401 21:34:54< Unnheulu> cd Downloads/wesnoth-x.y.z
20100401 21:34:59< laurence> Unnheulu: however, as I was thinking of going back to Debian, that would be just the trick. :-)
20100401 21:35:02 * shadowmaster needs to eat
20100401 21:35:03< Unnheulu> sudo scons uninstall :)
20100401 21:35:04< Unnheulu> :P
20100401 21:35:08< Unnheulu> c'ya sm
20100401 21:35:12< Unnheulu> *sigh*
20100401 21:35:15< Unnheulu> Another 1.8 hater
20100401 21:35:20< PeterPorty> bye master
20100401 21:35:26< Unnheulu> I'm not even a dev, and its annoying me
20100401 21:35:40< eyerouge> Unnheulu: What? Scons?
20100401 21:35:46< Unnheulu> no
20100401 21:35:58< Unnheulu> People flaming the drakes, the lobby, the everything new about 1.8
20100401 21:36:33< laurence> Unnheulu: how about yum remove wesnoth, as I just used the repository version.
20100401 21:36:43< Unnheulu> ah
20100401 21:36:49 * laurence could have built a more recent version, if there is a particular reason....
20100401 21:36:53 * Unnheulu forgot apt wasn't standard
20100401 21:37:12< laurence> Unnheulu: Oh, it is--except for RedHat, whose opinion carries some...weight. :-)
20100401 21:37:23< sevis> And us Gentooers!
20100401 21:37:31< eyerouge> Unnheulu: It'äs just old habit. You'll like it sooner or later. ;)
20100401 21:37:32< Unnheulu> and suse?
20100401 21:37:35< sevis> Whose opinion carries... ehm.
20100401 21:37:42< Unnheulu> eyerouge: I like it :P
20100401 21:37:42 * laurence has mixed memories of Gentoo....
20100401 21:37:54 * Unnheulu tried gentoo and couldn't get the internet working...
20100401 21:38:21< sevis> You mean after installing, or on the LiveCD?
20100401 21:38:26 * eyerouge knows that whenever anyone uses gen it's kind of a statement...and sign of geekdom... :)
20100401 21:38:37< laurence> Unnheulu: I don't know how much weight SuSE carries, at least among the crowd that installs their own OS and builds game packages from source.  I only know of one LUG guy who uses it....
20100401 21:39:09< sevis> Actually, I just like the way it's made. I'm thinking of moving to Arch, but don't have a spare box to test on.
20100401 21:39:14< Unnheulu> After installing, still on a command line
20100401 21:39:16< PeterPorty> O.o I can't install 1.8! 
20100401 21:39:27< Unnheulu> ancestral: are you serious about java?...
20100401 21:39:51< Unnheulu> PeterPorty: your on linux, right?
20100401 21:39:59< ancestral> For learning programming concepts, yes
20100401 21:40:09< PeterPorty> Nope, I'm using Windows XP
20100401 21:40:15< Unnheulu> ancestral: I'm learning java atm, and it is absolute b......t
20100401 21:40:24< ancestral> Well
20100401 21:40:39< ancestral> That's because you're learning these new concpets :)
20100401 21:40:41< ancestral> *concepts
20100401 21:40:45< laurence> sevis: I installed Gentoo stage 1 a couple of times, and liked the rolling upgrade system because I got neat toys sooner.  But after a while I didn't like it for the same reason--when I wanted to do actual work instead of play with the system, I didn't want to do an emerge because every once in a while stuff needed hand updating, and that was a pain.  But if you put it off, that pain became nightmarish.
20100401 21:41:00< Unnheulu> ancestral: I already knew some C++; which is "fairly similar"
20100401 21:41:21< ancestral> Yes, they are similar
20100401 21:41:39< laurence> Unnheulu: Sure.  If you have curly braces, how much different could they be?
20100401 21:41:48< Unnheulu> :P
20100401 21:42:06< Unnheulu> So bash and python are similar, cause they both don't have curly braces? :P
20100401 21:42:56< Unnheulu> anyhow
20100401 21:43:09< Unnheulu> I intend to learn C++ fully so I can dev wesnoth^^
20100401 21:43:12< laurence> So as I said I just dropped by to express some appreciation (or blame you for ruining my life, but if you didn't mean to do that you wouldn't be creating such a thing), but I might as well ask if there is any great reason to go to the trouble of building a Wesnoth newer than 1.6.5?  Works great....
20100401 21:43:17< sevis> laurence: What kind of work do you mean? I'm currently in the middle of repairing my system, but even that is mostly a matter of waiting for building to finish.
20100401 21:43:50< sevis> (I had tried to downgrade from ~arch... It didn't work out too nicely)
20100401 21:44:12< laurence> Unnheulu: Exactly.  Now you have it.  And Lisp and bc are similar, because both have parentheses.  See how easy programming is once you figure out what really matters?
20100401 21:44:46< Unnheulu> ^^
20100401 21:45:47< laurence> sevis: Well, first, if I wanted to just get security updates and then work, the compile time was a problem because I didn't want the system busy.  But worse was that (at least at the time) you couldn't just do security updates unless you named them by hand, so you might well end up rebuilding OpenOffice.
20100401 21:46:42< laurence> sevis: So you only update at night before bed.  But then you might find something broke the next morning, because Gentoo does upgrades and not bug fixes.  So it's advantage is the same as its disadvantage in my book. :-)
20100401 21:47:42< sevis> Yeah, true, you still can't select to only do security updates. I don't mind my system busy (once you have two cores, it's not much of an issue). Indeed, it's a mixed thing, and it certainly isn't my main reason for using it.
20100401 21:48:08< laurence> Unnheulu: Also, the C++ STL and Apple's Objective-C libraries are similar because both have container classes.  So just dive right in and don't bother with the docs, they're boring.
20100401 21:48:12< sevis> Are there any distros that are about as "advanced" as Gentoo, but that don't assume compiling?
20100401 21:48:29 * laurence just likes to help.
20100401 21:48:38< Unnheulu> ^^
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20100401 21:50:44< laurence> sevis: Um, well, I want to question this whole idea of "advanced," but sure.  Slackware and the BSDs in particular make no compromises for n00bs.  But the God-Emperor of "advanced" in the Gentoo sense is Linux From Scratch.  Plus, it'll give you something to do with your time besides play Wesnoth.
20100401 21:51:27< sevis> Yes, I tried LFS. One second, sorry.
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20100401 21:52:00< laurence> sevis: I have two cores, and I'm not giving up either of them to emerge!!!!  (OK, admittedly I'm starting to work on parallel programming, so I actually have a reason to want them both free....)
20100401 21:53:04< sevis> LFS is also compiling from source. By advanced, I mean that they don't try to hide their configs, which is one of the things I found user-friendly distros to be guilty of.
20100401 21:53:26< laurence> To try to be on-topic for a second, I believe I actually made a breakthrough in understanding Wesnoth.  I might not even be a n00b anymore.  I started playing with leveling up pieces as a primary objective, and suddenly I understand what my problem was with campaigns. :-)
20100401 21:53:26< sevis> Another important aspect is that they give me a base system, and then let me build on that however I like.
20100401 21:53:48< laurence> sevis: Slackware.  Slackware, and Slackware.  Then there is Slackware....
20100401 21:54:01< sevis> Wasn't that source-based, too?
20100401 21:54:16< laurence> sevis: Only in the sense that Patrick builds it for you from source. :-)
20100401 21:54:33< sevis> Oh, awesome, I'll take a look at that, then. :D
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20100401 21:56:02< sevis> Thank you for the tip, maybe that's a good thing to move to.
20100401 21:56:06< laurence> sevis: Let me put it this way--Slackware only ships with sendmail.  If you want something that mortals can understand like Postfix, Patrick invites you to install it yourself.  Sendmail is unix, and that's what he supplies. :-)
20100401 21:57:20< sevis> I tried to get sendmaill working recently... Gave up pretty quick, although I should try again. :)
20100401 21:57:49< sevis> I'm pretty sure I heard it ships with KDE, though... No?
20100401 21:58:15< sevis> (Not to say I use that, but it sounds somewhat out-of-place)
20100401 21:58:31< laurence> Here is an interesting fact: I hear of very few experienced admins running Gentoo.  But a lot of them have like Slackware.  Debian also tends to get lots of votes.
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20100401 21:59:25< sevis> Hm, I think that would be due to the rolling updates.
20100401 21:59:31< sevis> (Which I like, by the way)
20100401 22:00:48< laurence> sevis: Probably does now.  IIRC some time ago Patrick said that Gnome was taking up more time to get working than anything else, and it went against his philosophy to ship with two complete desktops.  I believe there is community support for Gnome, however, Patrick V. just doesn't supply it anymore.
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20100401 22:02:06< laurence> sevis: More or less it's because they get paid to solve problems and so the fun of inviting them has worn off.  So they tend to have a taste for extreme stability.  Slackware and Debian fulfill that criterion without hiding much graphically.
20100401 22:02:34< laurence> But yeah, they don't usually like rolling updates.  For that, Gentoo is your baby. :-)
20100401 22:03:13< sevis> laurence: Hm, well, I'll definitely look into it, thanks. I tried Debian once, I'm not sure why I didn't like it. Also thinking of trying one of the BSDs, heard some good things about Dragonfly.
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20100401 22:05:19< laurence> The reason I don't run Slackware is mainly that because it's a one-man show it doesn't have a large repo--basically, there is one solution for each category (except stuff like editors, of course).
20100401 22:06:16< laurence> So, um, sorry to hijack the channel.  Should try to be on-topic... so what about them trolls?  Currently I'm giving them a second go in one of the n00b campaigns.... :-)
20100401 22:06:51< sevis> This is Wesnoth's off-topic channel, as far as I know. :P
20100401 22:06:56< laurence> Ah.
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20100401 22:07:18< ancestral> http://us.battle.net/matchmaking/index.html
20100401 22:08:17< laurence> sevis: If you try Slackware, try this: http://slackbuilds.org/.  I think it didn't exist when I ran Slack, but it looks sort of like a source-system on top of Slack for whatever Slack doesn't package as binaries.
20100401 22:09:39< sevis> Thanks, looking. I'm on links, though. :P
20100401 22:10:02< laurence> Hmm.  It might be readable with links.
20100401 22:10:29< sevis> It is, I just hate links.
20100401 22:13:23< sevis> I've been interested in the LFS user-based package management system. Sorta wish I had a box to test it on.
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20100401 22:25:29< laurence> Hmm.  Wesnoth re-spin with factions based on different OSs? :-)
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20100401 22:26:38< sevis> Heh. What would the difference between Linux and BSD be? :P
20100401 22:27:39< shadowmaster> firstly, BSD refers to a series of BSD-based operating systems
20100401 22:27:54< team6and7> Unnheulu: I know this was a bit ago but when you were telling be to run sudo apt-get build-dep wesnoth its asking be to put 'source' URI in my scources.list
20100401 22:28:03< shadowmaster> secondly, Linux is either a Unixish kernel, or (more commonly) a series of Linux-based operating systems
20100401 22:28:26< sevis> And...?
20100401 22:28:54< shadowmaster> there can be plenty of difference under this scheme
20100401 22:29:10< shadowmaster> *pleny*
20100401 22:29:15< shadowmaster> er, *plenty*
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20100401 22:29:51< laurence> shadowmaster: Pedant.  Naturally, part of the politics over which blood is spilled is the precise usage of such terms.
20100401 22:30:36< shadowmaster> what?
20100401 22:30:42< laurence> shadowmaster: We just have to remember the most annoying little feuds and build them into the setting.  :-)
20100401 22:30:57< shadowmaster> I don't understand where I'm being pedantic.
20100401 22:31:09< shadowmaster> I refer to Linux distributions and Linux distributions myself.
20100401 22:31:10< laurence> shadowmaster: I was talking about my silly idea of Wesnoth: OS Wars. :-)
20100401 22:31:21< shadowmaster> ahhhh
20100401 22:31:34 * shadowmaster lets himself be distributed by Linux
20100401 22:32:09< laurence> Let's see.  Windows: the Undead.  BSD: the Dwarves (who insist that there are several major tribes of Dwarves, but everyone else ignores them.
20100401 22:32:23< Unnheulu_> Sm; why not learn gtk rather than qt?
20100401 22:32:44< Unnheulu_> AFAIK, qt doesn't have it's own version of glade
20100401 22:32:45< laurence> I suppose Elves use Macs, don't they?  Humans: Linux.  Except the ones who insist it's Gnu/Linux....
20100401 22:33:08< ancestral> Orcs use?
20100401 22:33:11< laurence> Not sure who the Orcs are.  VMS?
20100401 22:33:35< Unnheulu_> Haiku
20100401 22:34:01< Unnheulu_> As it's so unelaborate; like orca
20100401 22:34:06< Unnheulu_> *orcs
20100401 22:34:07< ancestral> The red Loyalists are Red Hat
20100401 22:34:09< laurence> Hmm.  Orcs might be a different faction of Linux people.
20100401 22:34:30< ancestral> The brown ones are ubuntu I suppose
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20100401 22:35:02< ancestral> Maybe the Orcs could be DOS
20100401 22:35:07< shadowmaster> Unnheulu_: Qt designer
20100401 22:35:10< ancestral> Un-evolved and ugly
20100401 22:35:17< team6and7> anyone know what to do when i run sudo apt-get build-dep wesnoth its asking be to put a 'source' URI in my scources.list
20100401 22:35:18< laurence> Good!  I haven't played enough to have these details.
20100401 22:35:22< shadowmaster> Unnheulu_: also, I hate Gtk with all my will.
20100401 22:35:25< shadowmaster> HATE
20100401 22:35:36< ancestral> Good To Know
20100401 22:36:07< Unnheulu_> Ah, so there is :P
20100401 22:36:17< ancestral> For shadowmaster, I think it stands for "good to kill"
20100401 22:36:20< Unnheulu_> Ah ok :P
20100401 22:36:21< laurence> Hmm.  But who in the Wesnoth world would be commercial unix?
20100401 22:36:29< shadowmaster> team6and7: because you are missing a source URI for your distribution in there, so apt has no way to know where to get source packages and their dependency info from
20100401 22:36:43< shadowmaster> you should check your distribution's documentation
20100401 22:36:55< Unnheulu_> I kinda prefer it to qt, but, maybe it's cause it looks better on xfce
20100401 22:37:11< shadowmaster> laurence: wesmere elves maybe?
20100401 22:37:16< shadowmaster> they seem to be more arrogant than other elves
20100401 22:39:07< laurence> OK, if we give up humans==Linux.  But Linux is more fragmented than anybody else, so they are going to occupy a big piece of the faction-space. :-)
20100401 22:39:46< Unnheulu_> Trolls are mikeOS
20100401 22:39:46< team6and7> well i think i found the option to add the sources to the repositories
20100401 22:39:50< ancestral> How about the Kalifa?
20100401 22:40:57< laurence> The back-story should have a Heroic Age in which the heroes of ITS fought to hold back the long night.  Basically, bless everything in the Hacker's Dictionary as true history (in some suitably transformed form of course).
20100401 22:41:37< ancestral> laurence: See, here's what I think
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20100401 22:42:11< laurence> Before that, you have dimly remembered myth.  The greatest epic poem from that era should be the saga of Mel.
20100401 22:42:36< ancestral> A portal or tear in the Wesnoth universe allows it contact with other worlds
20100401 22:42:54< team6and7> gah now it tellls me it cna find the wesnoth source code oh well guess i wait until some one gets it working on mint
20100401 22:43:07< ancestral> In the not so distant future, some hellish virus carried by Windows enters the Wesnoth universe, infecting the races
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20100401 22:46:09 * Unnheulu_ wants to me IftU
20100401 22:46:28< laurence> ancestral: People randomly crash periodically?  Sort of like epilepsy.... :-)
20100401 22:46:35< team6and7> guess i have to go bsck to windows i guess to try 1.8
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20100401 22:47:10< ancestral> I was thinking that the virus is affecting their wml code 
20100401 22:47:23< ancestral> Except the undead are unfased by it
20100401 22:47:29< laurence> ancestral: Ah.  Breaking the fourth wall--I like it.
20100401 22:48:08< ancestral> Meanwhile they're all fighting for resources as always
20100401 22:48:25< ancestral> or market share
20100401 22:48:36< ancestral> And have developed (or been gifted) different OS
20100401 22:49:59< laurence> ancestral: In general it's amusing to contemplate them knowing in-game that they have WML code--that's what I meant about breaking the fourth wall.
20100401 22:50:11< ancestral> Hmmm
20100401 22:50:22< ancestral> Yeah
20100401 22:50:24< Unnheulu_> Shadowmaster, a qt frontend like mine or penguins would have almost identical code to mine or penguins; so if your stuck take a peek of his/her code
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20100401 22:52:46< laurence> ancestral: Though it risks turning into Tron.
20100401 22:53:02< ancestral> laurence: I'm kind of reminded of that comic
20100401 22:53:07< ancestral> with the mage who alters his stats
20100401 22:53:11< ancestral> Gambit knows what I'm talking about
20100401 22:53:30 * ancestral can't find the link
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20100401 22:54:48< laurence> ancestral: My concept was more like doing a fantasy interpretation of computing history, or rather computing folk-history.  Both work, but not quite the same.
20100401 22:54:56< ancestral> Sure
20100401 22:54:59< ancestral> Could be fun
20100401 22:55:22< laurence> ancestral: But not self-referential as yours could be.
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20100401 22:56:36< laurence> If undead==windows, you realize the world would end up as a hellish nightmare-world where most of the planet is overrun by undead? :-)
20100401 22:56:53< shadowmaster> most computer users are zombies
20100401 22:57:19< shadowmaster> they use all this crap that Microsoft feeds them, just like McDonald's customers
20100401 22:57:20< ancestral> laurence: at least you'd have your plot
20100401 22:57:27< team6and7> all the windows botnets are baically zombies
20100401 22:58:06< shadowmaster> they have no idea what "good" and "evil" is. They only know that they must use what they are given by their cruel overlords
20100401 22:58:07< laurence> ancestral: Yeah, the great thing is the scenarios write themselves.  Scene 1: the undead hordes descend, consuming the brains of whoever they find....  what's not to love about that? :-)
20100401 22:58:42< ancestral> See I imagine a post-apocalyptic Wesnoth were it is overrun in undead
20100401 22:59:03< ancestral> And then the OSes need to fight and maybe even team up to destroy and slay the evil
20100401 22:59:05< laurence> shadowmaster: Well, though I haven't dived into HttT yet (halfway through AOI), it revolves around a revolt against a cruel queen, right?
20100401 22:59:24< ancestral> That maybe there was an OS war and the good lost to the evil
20100401 22:59:36< shadowmaster> laurence: kind of
20100401 22:59:52< shadowmaster> there's thus stupid kid and this mage, Delfador, who live with the hippies in Aethen forest
20100401 22:59:55< shadowmaster> *this
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20100401 23:00:17< ancestral> But the browser religion has changed and people are starting to seek alternatives
20100401 23:00:33< shadowmaster> then the orcs come because the cruel bitch..er, queen, thinks that the kid and the mage are a risk for her rule
20100401 23:00:45< laurence> ancestral: Sure.  We just have to pick a point of view: Microsoft took over IBMs position, but I don't want to cast IBM as the good guys.
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20100401 23:00:50< ancestral> shadowmaster: that will never work!
20100401 23:01:08< ancestral> shadowmaster: Who would put that into a game? srsly
20100401 23:01:26< shadowmaster> so the kid and the mage go to get help to the mage school at Anduin only to find it overrun by orcs
20100401 23:02:01< ancestral> laurence: IBM is the old religion
20100401 23:02:04< shadowmaster> after killing the orcs, the kid and the mage are told to go to Bay of Pearls to remove the queen's control over the zone because of some valualble resources, etc.
20100401 23:02:06< ancestral> Well, maybe not religion
20100401 23:02:12< ancestral> I cast the browsers that way
20100401 23:02:37< laurence> My worldview is more that the unix world split up into factions that competed by constantly re-inventing the wheel instead of having a shared OS, squandering their efforts and allowing Microsoft to catch up.  So the history can have a "warring states" period before being conquered by a new empire....
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20100401 23:02:50< ancestral> But yeah IBM was the ruling dynasty for years
20100401 23:03:24< laurence> Though that fits orcs better than undead--undead don't have kingdoms in most stories.  It's easy to have many warring human kingdoms that couldn't work together to stop the waves of Orcs from the North (Orcs come from the North in Westnoth, if I've done my reading).
20100401 23:03:35< ancestral> Now if you wanted to think far you could even have different planes
20100401 23:03:35< shadowmaster> so at the end we find out that the queen is an incompetent bitch who can't keep her own castle properly guarded
20100401 23:03:37< ancestral> A mobile plane
20100401 23:03:43< ancestral> A cyberspace plan
20100401 23:03:46< ancestral> *plane
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20100401 23:04:36< shadowmaster> Gambit: the lobby's not IRC. don't search for shikadibot.
20100401 23:04:43< ancestral> And in the other planes the rules are different; maybe the Elves are ruling one while the Loyalists aren't; but everyone still lives in the material Irdya plane, in (Wesnoth)
20100401 23:06:16< laurence> Hmm.  Guess I need to learn how to create libraries with CMake.
20100401 23:06:33< laurence> apropos of nothing, that is....
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20100401 23:22:01< Gambit> shadowmaster: Was just a joke :(
20100401 23:22:16< Gambit> I wouldn't find her would I?
20100401 23:22:49< Gambit> Also I thought that the lobby was moniterable (and chatable into) from a certain IRC channel?
20100401 23:23:23< shadowmaster> you think too much
20100401 23:23:28< shadowmaster> take a nap or something
20100401 23:23:52< Gambit> Not to mention the logs...
20100401 23:24:44< Gambit> shadowmaster: I'll have to know all this some day ;)
20100401 23:25:04< Gambit> [/huge joke mixed with daydreaming]
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20100401 23:29:08< PeterPorty> ok....hi guys, yesterday I made a joke about mysticx and gambit, and i think they might get a little offended, so im here to say i oviously made it u it was a joke and nothing else, i think both of them r retty cool, so...yeah, it was a joke and im sorry if anyone got upset
20100401 23:29:44< shadowmaster> it's completely impossible to upset Gambit 
20100401 23:30:06< PeterPorty> yeah, but mysticx is another story
20100401 23:30:06< shadowmaster> it's like OpenBSD. Guaranteed  (?!) to be safe
20100401 23:31:46< Gambit> Was the joke funny?
20100401 23:32:33< PeterPorty> it was the question, if you were coming to the dev lobby...
20100401 23:32:44< Gambit> Oh. lol.
20100401 23:32:48< Gambit> That wasn't really that funny.
20100401 23:32:54< PeterPorty> yeah...
20100401 23:33:00< Gambit> Did you give him my answer? ;)
20100401 23:33:51< PeterPorty> yep....im not talking anymore about this...
20100401 23:34:16< PeterPorty> *whispers* he's watching (reading actually) us....
20100401 23:36:53< Gambit> Like. A. Boss.
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20100401 23:37:03< PeterPorty> SHHHHUSH!
20100401 23:37:34< Gambit> Is he reading the logs? Or is he logged in under a different name?
20100401 23:37:48< PeterPorty> reading log
20100401 23:37:56 * Gambit waves
20100401 23:38:02< PeterPorty> lopl
20100401 23:38:16< VurtualRuler98> Hello guy reading! Behind you!
20100401 23:38:16< Gambit> laugh out phucking loud?
20100401 23:38:30< PeterPorty> lots of penguin laughing
20100401 23:38:37< Gambit> That would make a great comedy sketch imo.
20100401 23:38:44< Gambit> Some guy swearing in an elementary school.
20100401 23:38:56< Gambit> "Oh no it's okay, because I mentally spelled it phuck".
20100401 23:38:58< PeterPorty> -.-
20100401 23:39:04< Gambit> And telling the kids that it's okay. :)
20100401 23:39:18< Gambit> "Dam you!"
20100401 23:39:24< VurtualRuler98> "you suck"
20100401 23:39:26< Gambit> "No it's okay, because I left off the n."
20100401 23:39:38< VurtualRuler98> "It's okay I'm spelling it 'Y O U A R E M Y F R I E N D'"
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20100401 23:40:51< Gambit> There's a funny WKUK skit. It's only like 5 seconds long But trevor is at the crosswalk of a *really* busy intersection and he says to this kid "No. Your mom just doesn't believe in you."
20100401 23:41:42< PeterPorty> Mystic greets you Gambit
20100401 23:42:14< Gambit> I know. I'm reading the lobby logs. ;)
20100401 23:42:19< Gambit> Two can play this game.
20100401 23:42:31< VurtualRuler98> You're like pen pals!
20100401 23:42:37< PeterPorty> !
20100401 23:42:50< PeterPorty> you cant read our pms!
20100401 23:43:30< PeterPorty> can you?
20100401 23:43:33< VurtualRuler98> Yes, we can.
20100401 23:43:35< Gambit> Actually it doesn't look like the 1.8 lobby is being logged yet. :\
20100401 23:43:36< VurtualRuler98> With our minds.
20100401 23:43:48< PeterPorty> Agh!
20100401 23:43:51< Gambit> PeterPorty: Oh... it's that time of the month again aye?
20100401 23:44:01< PeterPorty> yep
20100401 23:44:20< PeterPorty> every 289 days...
20100401 23:44:30< PeterPorty> unless u mean human months...
20100401 23:44:38< PeterPorty> and meant something else...
20100401 23:45:10< Gambit> "You cant read our _pms_!
20100401 23:45:24< PeterPorty> lopl
20100401 23:45:31< PeterPorty> PMs
20100401 23:45:34< PeterPorty> *
20100401 23:45:39< PeterPorty> is that better?
20100401 23:45:53< PeterPorty> Perpetual Motion Squad!
20100401 23:46:07< sevis> Big Bang! :D
20100401 23:46:34< PeterPorty> I bet mysticx is like sheldon...
20100401 23:46:39< PeterPorty> nah, jk pal
20100401 23:53:15< Gambit> Wow... shadowmaster check out this post
20100401 23:53:21< Gambit> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=419019#p419019
20100401 23:53:30< Gambit> I lol'd literally. And quite hard.
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