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20100403 00:27:43< demetrio> how do i to turn the letters bigger in 1.8, when it was 1.6 its just put *
20100403 00:27:49< demetrio> before the text
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20100403 00:40:09 * Unnheulu wonders the point of GSoC
20100403 00:40:18< Unnheulu> Why not just code normally?
20100403 00:41:52< Unnheulu> Anyhow must be off
20100403 00:42:03< Unnheulu> Have a nice day folks!
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20100403 01:29:15< demetrio> can someone help  me?
20100403 01:29:30< demetrio> i'm trying create "big" labels ingame
20100403 01:29:38< demetrio> but * its not working
20100403 01:30:40< demetrio> on 1.6 version i put *
20100403 01:32:25< shadowmaster> firstly, you were abusing something that wasn't really intended to be possible
20100403 01:32:47< shadowmaster> secondly, that kind of markup was removed in 1.7.x. In 1.8 you must use Pango markup.
20100403 01:32:57< shadowmaster> and I don't know if it'll work with map labels.
20100403 01:39:48< demetrio> shadowmaster, well, i use to alert my patners
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20100403 01:41:00< shadowmaster> <big>text here</big>   should work in 1.8 in general.
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20100403 01:42:29< demetrio> shadowmaster, it doesn't work, but ok
20100403 01:42:35< demetrio> thank you
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20100403 04:05:36< Dwight> hrm. the difference in difficulty between 'the south guard' campaign and the 'heir to the throne' campaign is quite dramatic.  speakign as a lame newb.   HttT is leagues harder.  
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20100403 10:52:20< Unnheulu> is gna down?
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20100403 10:58:24< Unnheulu> blargh
20100403 10:58:25< Unnheulu> hiah
20100403 10:59:06< Ivanovic> moin
20100403 10:59:20< Unnheulu> I <3 grep
20100403 10:59:37< Unnheulu> No longer does it print (almost) whole files for me^^
20100403 11:00:25< Unnheulu> Bllarrgh
20100403 11:00:38< Unnheulu> Sometimes sleeping helps me to find things in seconds what took hours before :D
20100403 11:01:16< Unnheulu> Ivanovic: does do_init_side happen on turn end?
20100403 11:01:27< Unnheulu> *turn start even
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20100403 11:28:58< JOSF> Hi! Where have my savegames gone? I updated from 1.8RC1 to 1.8rel and now my settings and savegames are gone?
20100403 11:29:15< Ivanovic> they are still there
20100403 11:29:25< Ivanovic> which operating system are you using?
20100403 11:29:29< JOSF> OS X
20100403 11:29:47< Ivanovic> search your system for a folder named "Wesnoth 1.8"
20100403 11:29:51< JOSF> ok
20100403 11:30:04< Ivanovic> in the same folder where you find this one, you will find one with "Wesnoth 1.7"
20100403 11:30:12< Ivanovic> somewhere in Library IIRC
20100403 11:30:27< Unnheulu> blargh, I remember now why I stopped learning C++
20100403 11:30:34< Ivanovic> the matter is that we do by default separate the userdata for each "major series"
20100403 11:31:04< Unnheulu> Ivanovic: So I can install 1.4 and play my super old campaign? =)
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20100403 11:31:17< Ivanovic> Unnheulu: sure
20100403 11:31:26< Unnheulu> or if I do svn up 1, then I'd be able to run that?
20100403 11:31:29< JOSF> Ivanovic: That's ok. I feared it would be in the Wesnoth.app (which is a folder on OS X)
20100403 11:31:35< Ivanovic> though in this version you might have make sure that the userdata does not confluict
20100403 11:31:42< Unnheulu> ah
20100403 11:31:56 * Unnheulu will try svn up 11 when gna starts working
20100403 11:32:02< Ivanovic> JOSF: no, in general this stuff is not saved directly in .app files
20100403 11:32:10< JOSF> Great! It's in Library/Application Support
20100403 11:32:14< Ivanovic> trust me, you most likely won't be able to compile it
20100403 11:32:15< JOSF> Thanks :) All fine!
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20100403 11:32:26< Unnheulu> Bother :(
20100403 11:32:57< Unnheulu> Ah well, I'll just wait till gna works and do a boooring svn up then :P
20100403 11:51:41< Unnheulu> Am I the only one with trouble with SVN?
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20100403 11:58:53< Ivanovic> no
20100403 11:59:10< Ivanovic> huge parts of gna.org are down atm
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20100403 12:04:55< Unnheulu> ok, thought I had a trouble with my connection or something :P
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20100403 15:28:10< Unnheulu> Gambit: Do overlays work by editing the map?
20100403 15:28:42< Zerovirus> Ah yes, the 24-7 Gambit WML Hotline.
20100403 15:28:49< Unnheulu> Indeed
20100403 15:28:52< Unnheulu> my favourite :P
20100403 15:30:12< Zerovirus> Hm. He seems afk atm.
20100403 15:31:08< Gambit> Unnheulu: No.
20100403 15:31:30< Gambit> Actually depends on what you mean by overlays.
20100403 15:31:36< Unnheulu> like the items
20100403 15:31:53 * Unnheulu goes back to searching the code for where they get drawn -.-
20100403 15:32:29 * Zerovirus goes back to drawing more stuff for 
20100403 15:32:33< Zerovirus> *dynamica
20100403 15:32:59< Unnheulu> Zerovirus: Go do the spriting for (whatsisname)
20100403 15:33:07< Unnheulu> his ghast is soooo ugly :P
20100403 15:33:21< Unnheulu> (When he tried pixelling the animation, althoguh its better than anything I can do)
20100403 15:33:31< Zerovirus> ...Now that's not nice to say.
20100403 15:33:37< Unnheulu> :-D
20100403 15:33:40< Zerovirus> Ugh, I was trying to put that off :P Fine.
20100403 15:33:42< Unnheulu> His animation is great :P
20100403 15:33:50< Unnheulu> His spriting is...
20100403 15:34:02< Unnheulu> Zerovirus: http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=39556
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20100403 15:34:36< Gambit> Zerovirus: sprites... for me?
20100403 15:34:38< Gambit> :D
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20100403 15:34:54< Unnheulu> hiah ancestral
20100403 15:35:02< Gambit> Unnheulu: what item overlays?
20100403 15:35:05< Zerovirus> Well now Unnheulu has forced me to go back to spriting the ghast. i hope you're happy.
20100403 15:35:11< Unnheulu> :P
20100403 15:35:16< Unnheulu> Gambit: like signposts
20100403 15:35:17< Gambit> While you're in there fix ~SCALE() for me ;)
20100403 15:35:21< Unnheulu> when you do [item]
20100403 15:35:36< Unnheulu> blargh dunno what that does, so no :P
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20100403 15:35:53< Unnheulu> Besides, I'm still only on my first patch^^
20100403 15:36:51 * Unnheulu would like to see a talking signpost...
20100403 15:37:15< Gambit> Make a message with a sign post for an image.
20100403 15:37:29 * Zerovirus would like to see my little robots in action. How's dynamica going? Anything you can show your "hardworking" contributor? :P
20100403 15:37:47< Unnheulu> Gambit: image=scenery/item.png I know :P
20100403 15:37:47< Gambit> Zerovirus: Haven't touched WML at all this week. :(
20100403 15:37:52< Zerovirus> ...I just realized I changed from third person to first person in that above statement >.>
20100403 15:38:00< Unnheulu> You do the same as narrative ;)
20100403 15:38:21< Gambit> I can send you what I have done so far, but I was in the process of a complete rewrite.
20100403 15:38:42< Gambit> I have a... prototype, but now it needs to be broken down into a ton of little macros.
20100403 15:38:43< Zerovirus> Eh, sure :P I can't tell the difference anyways, in WML I am as sheep.
20100403 15:39:08< Gambit> just a second then.
20100403 15:39:54< Unnheulu> blargh
20100403 15:40:03< Unnheulu> I forgot why I was looking up what I was
20100403 15:40:12< Unnheulu> Oh yeh, I know
20100403 15:40:16< Zerovirus> Isn't this place entertaining?
20100403 15:40:45< Zerovirus> ...I hate it when people use GIMP to transparentify and leave behind artifacts that I have to clean up with Paint.
20100403 15:40:54< Unnheulu> :D
20100403 15:41:25< Gambit> It's 8 megs atm so I'm cutting out all the images that aren't currently being used.
20100403 15:41:56 * Zerovirus will kill you if you remove any of his hard work >.>
20100403 15:42:28< Gambit> Well all your hard work is being used atm
20100403 15:42:37< Gambit> I just meant removing images from the zip
20100403 15:42:43< Gambit> so that I can send you 1 meg vs 8 ;)
20100403 15:43:22 * Zerovirus grins and continues talking in third person
20100403 15:44:04< Zerovirus> oh god these ghasts are going to take me forever
20100403 15:44:16< Gambit> You've got 1.8 right?
20100403 15:45:13< Zerovirus> Uhh, nooot yet.
20100403 15:45:18< Gambit> 1.7.x?
20100403 15:45:19< Unnheulu> Gambit: item's are done as overlays...
20100403 15:45:30< Zerovirus> I have exactly 5 different versions of Wesnoth on my computer. I do have beta14 or whatever.
20100403 15:45:36< Gambit> okay
20100403 15:45:37< Zerovirus> -goes and deletes some stuff-
20100403 15:45:47< Gambit> RAGE DELETE!
20100403 15:46:02< Zerovirus> Yeah, screw finishing that final mission of THoT.
20100403 15:46:11< Zerovirus> I've been fighting it for 10 hours.
20100403 15:46:20< Zerovirus> With an army composed PURELY ov lv3s.
20100403 15:46:27< Zerovirus> My money is at -1750.
20100403 15:46:58< Unnheulu> Gambit: some day you should really look in game_events.cpp
20100403 15:47:14< Gambit> As soon as I learn C++ ;)
20100403 15:47:22< Gambit> err relearn that is.
20100403 15:47:28< Unnheulu> :P
20100403 15:47:31< Gambit> relearn and then learn more.
20100403 15:47:36< Unnheulu> Gambit: Look at it without learning C++ ;)
20100403 15:47:40< Unnheulu> It's not that complicated
20100403 15:50:36< Gambit> Zerovirus: Sending.
20100403 15:51:25< Gambit> If you have an issues just tell
20100403 15:51:29< Zerovirus> Yay, an excuse for a break. That first baseframe took me 2 hours. I have 7 frames to do :P
20100403 15:51:52< Gambit> your psychiatrist (bait and switch!)
20100403 15:52:10 * Gambit , the cliche murderer for hire.
20100403 15:53:07< Gambit> oh and btw look for it in the SP campaign section.
20100403 15:53:33< Gambit> It's not multiplayer until those GSoC students get to work on persistance.
20100403 15:53:48< Zerovirus> ...
20100403 15:54:02< Zerovirus> My documents froze when I tried deleting my extra versions of Wesnoth.
20100403 15:54:19< Gambit> shouldn't you like... uninstall them first?
20100403 15:54:28< Gambit> though that shouldn't cause explorer.exe to freeze.
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20100403 15:55:01< Zerovirus> I uninstalled. I'm deleting an empty folder.
20100403 15:55:03< Zerovirus> My computer sucks.
20100403 15:55:10< Zerovirus> Oh look it unfroze.
20100403 15:55:30< Gambit> This is a closed beta test.
20100403 15:55:35< Gambit> You can get your keys from fileplanet. :o
20100403 15:55:45 * Unnheulu wonders what the point of GSoC is
20100403 15:55:48< Gambit> Also when you preorder dynamica you get a key.
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20100403 15:55:59< Unnheulu> Gambit: Wait, the persistence is being done by the GSoC students?
20100403 15:56:04< Zerovirus> To make wesnoth sound cool and to optimize complicated C++ thingies that the rest of us probably won't even notice.
20100403 15:56:11< Gambit> Yes. :)
20100403 15:56:16< Unnheulu> Zerovirus: Why not use normal devs?
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20100403 15:56:29< Unnheulu> shadowmaster has left!?!?! :O
20100403 15:56:31< Gambit> The point of it is that college students get paid to program.
20100403 15:56:37< Zerovirus> Because, uh... What gambit said.
20100403 15:56:39< Unnheulu> *gasp* *shock* *horror*
20100403 15:56:43< Unnheulu> Oh, do they?
20100403 15:56:48< Unnheulu> And the rest of the devs don't?
20100403 15:56:55< Unnheulu> Well...that's nice
20100403 15:56:59< Blarumyrran> GSoC students need clear, separated tasks to assess their success
20100403 15:57:06< Gambit> Google pays college students to work on stuff over teh summer.
20100403 15:57:17< Blarumyrran> If anything, weird things like the persistence makes sense to give to them
20100403 15:57:18< Gambit> Because google <3 open source? I dunno.
20100403 15:57:21< Zerovirus> Wow. Select difficulty level: Easy only!
20100403 15:57:26< Unnheulu> Bah
20100403 15:57:35< Unnheulu> What ever happened to living in your Mam's basement>
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20100403 15:57:47< Unnheulu> That's how FOSS is *meant* to be :P
20100403 15:58:04< Gambit> Zerovirus: the difficulty will be entirely up to the player. If a mission is too difficult for them, they can go grind.... I mean... explore for a while.
20100403 15:58:09< Unnheulu> aargh this patch is annoying me
20100403 15:58:18< Unnheulu> I hoped it would just be editing on file :(
20100403 15:58:24< Zerovirus> Two moons of Irdya: Naia and... Moon?
20100403 15:58:36< Gambit> Naia isn't a moon.
20100403 15:58:50< Zerovirus> Oh whatever >.<
20100403 15:58:59< Gambit> Actually I guess it's a moon in the sense that it orbits irdya...
20100403 15:59:12< Gambit> ESR said the moon didn't have a name... :(
20100403 15:59:23< Gambit> So I called it moon :s
20100403 15:59:23< Unnheulu> Hahaha
20100403 15:59:30< Unnheulu> *smirks*
20100403 15:59:40< Gambit> One would think that the moon would have a name.
20100403 15:59:41< Zerovirus> Hm. Did my gas giant get used? I'm randomly generating to see if I can find it.
20100403 15:59:46< Gambit> Somewhere in saurian lore.
20100403 15:59:55< Gambit> Zerovirus: It won't be pink.
20100403 16:00:00< Gambit> Or any of the standard colors.
20100403 16:00:03< Unnheulu> *smirks again*
20100403 16:00:06< Unnheulu> wait Gambit
20100403 16:00:07< Gambit> Look for semi opaqueness.
20100403 16:00:13< Unnheulu> You broke shadowmasters program!
20100403 16:00:15< Gambit> That's the tell.
20100403 16:00:15< Zerovirus> Yes it did. I found one that looked like a chocolate sundae!
20100403 16:00:21< Gambit> yum.
20100403 16:00:22< Unnheulu> You can't use his program now!
20100403 16:00:28< Gambit> What program?
20100403 16:00:40< Unnheulu> Gambit: here's the gui: http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=39548
20100403 16:00:42< Gambit> shikadibot and shadowmaster are both on the same computer.
20100403 16:00:44< Unnheulu> Notice: the list of colours
20100403 16:00:47< Gambit> and it lost internets.
20100403 16:00:52< Zerovirus> Oh huh. You can stretch and zoom the planets?
20100403 16:00:56< Zerovirus> With WML?
20100403 16:00:59< Gambit> :)
20100403 16:01:09< Unnheulu> Gambit: here's the thread: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22859&start=15
20100403 16:01:21< Gambit> Why can't it take custom values?
20100403 16:01:23< Gambit> :(
20100403 16:01:26< Unnheulu> Gambit: Doesn't Linux look sooo beautiful? :
20100403 16:01:27< Gambit> For recoloring.
20100403 16:01:27< Unnheulu> P
20100403 16:01:38< Unnheulu> Because shadowmaster didn't code that
20100403 16:01:50< Unnheulu> And I can't add in anything shadowmaster didn't
20100403 16:01:55< Zerovirus> (maybe for the lols give all planetary units the attack -massive impact 999-1 and give the sun -incinerate 9001-1. Of course none of them can move or attack :P)
20100403 16:01:57< Unnheulu> (Cause of the way the gui works)
20100403 16:02:05< Unnheulu> lol zero
20100403 16:02:24< Gambit> Zerovirus: The planets will be on different sides depending on who owns them.
20100403 16:02:26< Gambit> Or neutral.
20100403 16:02:30< Unnheulu> Zerovirus: but then you'd get them trying to replicate the late heavy bombardment!
20100403 16:02:44< Gambit> But blowing up a planet will be done from Planetary View
20100403 16:02:45< Zerovirus> Grr I still want moving planets darn it
20100403 16:02:51< Zerovirus> Wait blowing up planets?
20100403 16:02:55 * Zerovirus looks at Irdya
20100403 16:02:56< Gambit> a third zoom level I've not added yet.
20100403 16:03:04< Unnheulu> Zerovirus: then give them little legs :)
20100403 16:03:18< Gambit> Zerovirus: If you blow up even one planet you instantly get the bad ending :P
20100403 16:03:23< Gambit> lol moral choice
20100403 16:03:36< Zerovirus> ...
20100403 16:03:45< Zerovirus> Then it'll be Irdya. Go for the big one right?
20100403 16:03:49< Gambit> Actually I'm going to shoot for something other than Mother Theresa or Baby Eating in my moral choice system.
20100403 16:04:05< Zerovirus> Also, the black hole should have an idle anim that consists of it flashing the lich's shadow lightning energy once in a while.
20100403 16:04:07< Gambit> Since good and evil are subjective.
20100403 16:04:35< Gambit> Steelhive likes it when you make planets uninhabitable for carbon based life forms
20100403 16:04:54< Gambit> But the Humans might not look so kindly on that....
20100403 16:05:25< Zerovirus> :P Actually, Steelhive likes it when you destroy everything else carbon based so they can build more mass-production drones.
20100403 16:05:29< Zerovirus> Same thing really.
20100403 16:05:42< Zerovirus> Also, is it supposed to generate nes solsystems when I click on the main sun?
20100403 16:05:45< Unnheulu> woah
20100403 16:05:49< Gambit> Zerovirus: Steelhive needs space ships :)
20100403 16:05:50< Unnheulu> that planet looks sooooooooooooooooooooo cool
20100403 16:05:51< Zerovirus> *new
20100403 16:06:03< Zerovirus> ...That they do. Add one thing to my list of stuff.
20100403 16:06:03< Unnheulu> Gambit: Do you have attack icons for those?
20100403 16:06:10< Gambit> For?
20100403 16:06:16< Blarumyrran> Baby eating
20100403 16:06:17< Zerovirus> Oh hey I can pull out one of my really really old WIPs.
20100403 16:06:19< Unnheulu> Zerovirus: You might want to give them ambiguous attack to save yourself drawing them
20100403 16:06:22< Gambit> Blarumyrran: lol
20100403 16:06:46< Gambit> I swear to shadowmaster if a baby eating attack icon shows up on the forums....
20100403 16:06:49< Zerovirus> Oh dang it's not here it's on my flash drive hang on
20100403 16:07:01 * Zerovirus is intrigued by the idea of this baby eating attack icon.
20100403 16:07:26< Blarumyrran> Gambit, saying His full name is blasphemy though
20100403 16:07:50< Gambit> That's not His true name.
20100403 16:08:06< Blarumyrran> Like pronouncing the full name of YHVH outside the temple of Jerusalem was blasphemy - and so the real pronounciation has been lost since its destruction
20100403 16:08:19< Gambit> ShikadiLord
20100403 16:08:21 * Gambit is smitten
20100403 16:09:42< Zerovirus> ...Can't find the flash drive
20100403 16:09:50< Gambit> epilepsy test: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/download/file.php?id=39428
20100403 16:10:04< Zerovirus> but I did find the car keys I lot last year :D
20100403 16:10:32< Zerovirus> Just start random generating the planetary view maps and you're golden :P
20100403 16:10:53< Gambit> Yep.
20100403 16:11:11< Gambit> And since the planets can be anywhere from 10x10 to 72x72, the maps will be based on the size of the planet.
20100403 16:11:31< Gambit> At least itf it's possible to resize a map mid scenario.
20100403 16:11:44< Zerovirus> Oookay, I can remke my spaceship. It wasn't too difficult last time, I didn't even get around to shading.
20100403 16:12:21< Gambit> Also I'm considering letting the player have more than one ship.
20100403 16:12:32< Gambit> Which means the ships will have to have predefined sizes
20100403 16:12:39< Zerovirus> But of course, how else are you going to have a space army?
20100403 16:12:43< Gambit> not for the images.
20100403 16:12:44 * Unnheulu is worried shadowmaster will go to the off-topic forum >.>
20100403 16:12:55< Zerovirus> (What units does the player get to fight with on planetary view?)
20100403 16:13:13< Gambit> But I mean like this ship takes up 1500 units of cargo space, the cargo hold on this ship is 5000 units big.
20100403 16:13:27< Gambit> Zerovirus: Most of the combat will take place in planetary view.
20100403 16:13:34< Gambit> None on galaxy view
20100403 16:13:41< Gambit> some in solar system.
20100403 16:13:45< Gambit> There are ground units
20100403 16:13:46< Zerovirus> So... I mean, like what faction? Generic space humans? Major's artwork?
20100403 16:13:58< Unnheulu> Gambit: Zerovirus: Join the church of shadowmaster!
20100403 16:14:02< Gambit> Zerovirus: I have stolen a whole treasure trove of art.
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20100403 16:14:26< Zerovirus> Unnheulu: Nope, my faith in Zarel's Doctrines is strong.
20100403 16:14:26< hoftel> hi
20100403 16:14:27< Gambit> Alien critters, robots, steelhive, humans, space dwarves, space police, more alien critters
20100403 16:14:33< Gambit> shaxthyl.
20100403 16:14:37< Zerovirus> lol.
20100403 16:14:39< Unnheulu> Evility!
20100403 16:15:11< hoftel> is there a packageof wesnoth 1.8 for fedora???
20100403 16:15:19< Zerovirus> Wow I've been talking and playing (if that word counts) Dynamica and I haven't done any at at all >.>
20100403 16:15:30< Zerovirus> *art
20100403 16:15:46< Unnheulu> hoftel: first Ubuntu, now fedora?
20100403 16:15:52< Unnheulu> Wow, your loyal :P
20100403 16:15:53< Gambit> The solar system generator in combination with Unnheulu and I's humor is just that entertaining ;)
20100403 16:16:04< hoftel> i have two pcs
20100403 16:16:10< Zerovirus> Also, my idea for the faction of Goldspire is that it has heavy-hitter units which rely on utility units called Spires to move around.
20100403 16:16:11< Unnheulu> *sigh*
20100403 16:16:22< Zerovirus> All other units except spires are kinda like dwarves in terms of movement.
20100403 16:16:34< Unnheulu> Gambit: repent; join the church of shadowmaster, ruler of shikadi!
20100403 16:16:35< Zerovirus> Spires though have low hp, are cheap, and have 10 mp.
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20100403 16:17:02< Zerovirus> And basically when a unit is next to a spire it can be rightclicked to teleport through the various spires kinda like what you did with Hunters and Prey.
20100403 16:17:29< Zerovirus> Spires are important. Without them the Goldspire army's mobility is severely cut, and if they're damaged or destroyed the army can easily be trapped.
20100403 16:17:43< Zerovirus> How does this faction sound to you guys?
20100403 16:17:53< Unnheulu> Cupcakes
20100403 16:18:10< Zerovirus> ...
20100403 16:18:18< Unnheulu> Cupcakes
20100403 16:18:22< Zerovirus> ...Pies?
20100403 16:18:24< Gambit> Zerovirus: In 1.9 we're getting a [tunnel] tag.
20100403 16:18:25< Unnheulu> Very nice, don't you think
20100403 16:18:28< Unnheulu> Nononono, not pies
20100403 16:18:37< Zerovirus> What's [tunnel]?
20100403 16:18:38< Unnheulu> Gambit: ooooh what does that do????
20100403 16:18:43< Unnheulu> Does it make a tunnel?????
20100403 16:18:59< Gambit> It will allow us to make teleportation abilitys.
20100403 16:19:03< Zerovirus> I expect z-axis coordinates in Wesnoth 2.0 :P
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20100403 16:19:17< Unnheulu> Gambit: can't you already do that?
20100403 16:19:27< Unnheulu> Like with a moveto...
20100403 16:19:30< Gambit> There have been a few instances of layered maps Zerovirus.
20100403 16:19:33< Unnheulu> Or a trapdoor :D
20100403 16:20:06< Zerovirus> But never have they been integrated directly into Wesnoth to be moved through at the turn of a scroll on your mouse :P
20100403 16:20:41< Gambit> You're right.
20100403 16:20:50< Zerovirus> And ranged damage % bonus for how higher you're above an enemy and negative bonus for below the enemy :P 10% per z level.
20100403 16:20:53< Gambit> Unnheulu: I demand that you patch in multiply layered maps right now.
20100403 16:20:55< Blarumyrran> Unnheulu... I think the joke has lost any funnyness that it may have originally had, if any.
20100403 16:21:00< Unnheulu> :)
20100403 16:21:05< Blarumyrran> Referring to the forums
20100403 16:21:05< Gambit> [mool-tip-lee]
20100403 16:21:27< Unnheulu> Blarumyrran: it is an attempt to quantify blasphemy coming from gambit's end
20100403 16:21:40< Blarumyrran> It is an attempt from you to be funny
20100403 16:21:47< Blarumyrran> I'm just informing that you usually fail at that
20100403 16:21:47< Unnheulu> Never
20100403 16:21:50< Unnheulu> I am not one for jokes
20100403 16:21:52< Gambit> ouch.
20100403 16:22:02< Unnheulu> As most people I know will tell you  :)
20100403 16:22:10< Blarumyrran> Why post it, then
20100403 16:22:16< Unnheulu> Like I said
20100403 16:22:21< Blarumyrran> No, you didn't
20100403 16:22:22< Gambit> He was clearly serious.
20100403 16:22:25< Gambit> :P
20100403 16:22:37< Unnheulu> To allow true worshippers to worship shadowmaster in peace
20100403 16:22:46< Blarumyrran> And that is an attempt to be funny, and it fails
20100403 16:22:48< Gambit> But no seriously. There is a line.
20100403 16:23:01< Gambit> And he locked the last thread.
20100403 16:23:08< Gambit> Which puts the line very close to our toes.
20100403 16:23:28< Unnheulu> Gambit: However, if he locks this, he can be accused of discrimination against religious groups
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20100403 16:23:31< Gambit> And this thread is a few steps forward.
20100403 16:23:43< Gambit> No he won't because it's a private forum.
20100403 16:23:53< Unnheulu> *gasp*
20100403 16:23:55< Gambit> I can be racist on my forum if I want.
20100403 16:23:57< Gambit> :P
20100403 16:24:02< Unnheulu> Terrible
20100403 16:24:09< Blarumyrran> Gambit, no you can't
20100403 16:24:15< Gambit> Your human rights do not apply to the internet.
20100403 16:24:39< Gambit> Blarumyrran: I can't? But there's no laws against discrimination in... some country out there I'm sure.
20100403 16:24:54< Blarumyrran> People have had media persecution for having sites promoting national socialism, and there are no laws prohibitng that that are actually put into effect
20100403 16:25:00< Unnheulu> But, where is this forum hosted?
20100403 16:25:12< Blarumyrran> (prohibiting media persecution, that is)
20100403 16:25:22 * Unnheulu hopes not the Micro-nation of Sealand
20100403 16:25:54< Zerovirus> I ar replied :D
20100403 16:26:48< Gambit> So Zerovirus is what I have done enough to satiate you?
20100403 16:26:50< Unnheulu> I has replied
20100403 16:27:31< hoftel> no answer???
20100403 16:27:35< hoftel> :(
20100403 16:27:46< Blarumyrran> Unnheulu, and with lots of errors, too
20100403 16:27:48< Unnheulu> hoftel: no :P
20100403 16:27:53< Unnheulu> Blarumyrran: w/e :P
20100403 16:27:57< Gambit> Nobody here knows the answer apparently.
20100403 16:28:08< Unnheulu> This is theology
20100403 16:28:08< Blarumyrran> shallt  -> shalt, least -> lest
20100403 16:28:31< Gambit> Oh yeah that reminds me.
20100403 16:28:36< Gambit> Does thus have a past tense form?
20100403 16:28:42< Gambit> thus = up until now
20100403 16:28:42< Blarumyrran> What.
20100403 16:28:48< Gambit> what about up until a point in the past?
20100403 16:28:49< Gambit> thence?
20100403 16:28:55< Zerovirus> hence?
20100403 16:28:58< Unnheulu> Zerovirus: I believe it will last, as shadowmaster is in work :P
20100403 16:29:02< Unnheulu>  /uni
20100403 16:29:07< Blarumyrran> Are you sure about "thus = up until now"?
20100403 16:29:15< Gambit> hence is in the future?
20100403 16:29:28< Gambit> Blarumyrran: thus far.
20100403 16:29:40< Blarumyrran> = so far
20100403 16:29:44< Blarumyrran> does so mean up until now?
20100403 16:30:12< Gambit> Yes.
20100403 16:30:20< Gambit> Well no.
20100403 16:30:21< Zerovirus> This discussion hurts my brain >.<
20100403 16:30:23< Gambit> But so far does.
20100403 16:30:28< Gambit> "so far" means until now.
20100403 16:30:32< Blarumyrran> That is irrelevant, you asked about "thus"
20100403 16:30:40< Blarumyrran> not "thus far"
20100403 16:30:54< Gambit> nevermind google is my friend.
20100403 16:30:57< Gambit> Thence does exist.
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20100403 16:31:05< Gambit> And it means exactly what I want.
20100403 16:31:09< Gambit> My friend owes me $5.
20100403 16:31:29< Blarumyrran> horse exists, and means wxactly what I want it to!
20100403 16:31:35< Gambit> Yay!
20100403 16:31:39< Blarumyrran> Yay.
20100403 16:31:47< Gambit> :P
20100403 16:31:56< Gambit> Did you bet your friend $5 you were right?
20100403 16:32:15< Blarumyrran> Nop, I have simply always wanted horse to mean what it does
20100403 16:34:16< Unnheulu> Gambit: please, follow the church of shadowmaster
20100403 16:34:22< Gambit> No.
20100403 16:34:41< Unnheulu> Then you shall be whacked around the head with a very big book
20100403 16:34:41< Gambit> [insert speech about the line again]
20100403 16:34:42< Unnheulu> ...
20100403 16:34:57< Unnheulu> as soon as the cost of transatlantic flights goes down...
20100403 16:36:34< Zerovirus> Oh I just came up with a starcraft poem >.>
20100403 16:36:38< Zerovirus> lol
20100403 16:38:39 * Gambit cracks whip
20100403 16:39:08< Gambit> ghast, fishy, the final frontier, a new logo for mcdonalds, etc
20100403 16:39:17< Gambit> :P
20100403 16:39:27< Gambit> [/hypocritisism]
20100403 16:39:31< Gambit> [/bad spelling]
20100403 16:39:49< Zerovirus> Ghast, Fishy, Space units (including steelhive and Goldspire), and Water tiles, and Cursors for Zarel, and, um...
20100403 16:40:02< Zerovirus> Oh, and wolf-people.
20100403 16:40:21< Gambit> And a new logo for mcdonalds.
20100403 16:40:25< Zerovirus> Working on Goldspire units. Space tech woot :P
20100403 16:40:28< Gambit> ^^ you could get paid for that one :o
20100403 16:40:40< Zerovirus> Actually my ghast would also work as a new logo for Mcdonalds :P
20100403 16:40:46< Gambit> haha
20100403 16:40:47< Zerovirus> -obesity jokes :D-
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20100403 16:46:44< King_Elendil> is Shadowmaster here?
20100403 16:47:12< Zerovirus> apparently not
20100403 16:47:21< King_Elendil> hello! :)
20100403 16:47:39< King_Elendil> nope he's not. darn
20100403 16:48:00< Unnheulu> why ever would that be?
20100403 16:48:06< Unnheulu> Is thou a follower of the church?
20100403 16:48:22< Unnheulu> Nice to meet you, xer here :P
20100403 16:48:35< King_Elendil> no, I wanted to ask him to lock that crazy thread!
20100403 16:48:44< Zerovirus> What are you doing chatting instead of art-ing? Get back to work -stern glare-
20100403 16:48:49< Unnheulu> That would be most blasphemous!
20100403 16:49:03< King_Elendil> lol hi
20100403 16:49:35< King_Elendil> I'm not working on art right now, I'm helping code a campaign
20100403 16:49:39< Unnheulu> That was not a welcome comment on the thread
20100403 16:49:52< Unnheulu> That's interesting
20100403 16:49:54< King_Elendil> what wasn't?
20100403 16:50:01< Unnheulu> I'm trying to add a feature to WML :P
20100403 16:50:10< Unnheulu> That the church is absurd
20100403 16:50:14< King_Elendil> and that would be?
20100403 16:50:28< Unnheulu> A duration=<blargh> to the [item] tag
20100403 16:50:42 * Zerovirus quietly goes back and hides in MS Paint
20100403 16:50:54< Unnheulu> MS Paint!?!?!
20100403 16:50:57< Unnheulu> *gasp*
20100403 16:51:01< Unnheulu> *shock* *horror*
20100403 16:51:24< King_Elendil> an artist like you doesn't use photoshop!?
20100403 16:52:06< Zerovirus> No
20100403 16:52:12< King_Elendil> wow
20100403 16:52:25< Zerovirus> If I had a quarter for every time someone was shocked that I used Paint I could actually afford Photoshop :P
20100403 16:52:34< King_Elendil> by the way I think you are amazing ;)
20100403 16:52:40< Zerovirus> lol.
20100403 16:52:56< King_Elendil> I've never used paint, because I use a mac
20100403 16:53:33< Zerovirus> I have no idea how to use Windows 7's new paint. Too many new features >.< All I need is line, eraser, and flood fill dangit!
20100403 16:53:57< King_Elendil> and pencil, right?
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20100403 16:54:42< Zerovirus> No.
20100403 16:54:46< Zerovirus> No pencil. Pencil is evvvvil.
20100403 16:54:51< Zerovirus> All lineart is to be done with lines.
20100403 16:54:59< Blarumyrran> King_Elendil, no - he needs only line, since he does only metallic air conditioners
20100403 16:55:04< Gambit> But note that a really short line is just a pixel ;)
20100403 16:55:07< King_Elendil> lol
20100403 16:55:15< Zerovirus> ...I thought we had gotten over the air conditioners thing.
20100403 16:55:18< Zerovirus> >.<
20100403 16:55:26< Blarumyrran> Hm
20100403 16:55:32< Blarumyrran> have you done something since?
20100403 16:55:38< Gambit> Yes.
20100403 16:55:40< Zerovirus> Oh well, air conditioners are awesome.
20100403 16:55:42< Zerovirus> Yes.
20100403 16:55:47< Gambit> He did a flying air conditioner I'll have you know!
20100403 16:56:05< Zerovirus> Tell that to my super island turtle. And maybe my, uh, saurians, and my wolf doods. >.>
20100403 16:56:16< Zerovirus> uh okay so most of my stuff is metal air conditioners
20100403 16:56:19< Blarumyrran> What. Neorice made saurians, I know that
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20100403 16:56:30< Zerovirus> I made a line of my own :P
20100403 16:56:40< Zerovirus> It's in my thread somewhere as an alt upgrade line to Augurs.
20100403 16:56:57< Zerovirus> Also, air conditioners are awesome. You can't defeat airman.
20100403 16:57:06< Unnheulu> Great book airman :P
20100403 16:57:10< Blarumyrran> I bet they are
20100403 16:57:11< Unnheulu> Its for kids I know...
20100403 16:57:18< Blarumyrran> I'm just not sure how applicable your lines are outside
20100403 16:57:29< Gambit> He did wolf men
20100403 16:57:30< Blarumyrran> the narrow niche of air conditioner drawing
20100403 16:57:44 * Zerovirus cries
20100403 16:57:45< Blarumyrran> Gambit, the ones in that JW's era?
20100403 16:57:59< Blarumyrran> era of mythologies or something
20100403 16:58:08 * Unnheulu wonders how many bugs his code will have
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20100403 16:58:29< Unnheulu> ah
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20100403 16:58:40< Unnheulu> Half way through compiling and I've worked one out
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20100403 16:58:47 * Unnheulu goes and CTRL+C's the compiling
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20100403 16:59:10< King_Elendil> sorry, lost connection for a second
20100403 16:59:29< Unnheulu> hiah, xer here :)
20100403 16:59:38< King_Elendil> I know
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20100403 17:00:15< Zerovirus> I'll have you know that this conversation has made me die on the inside. You're all very horrible people for ignoring my sobs.
20100403 17:00:46< King_Elendil> you sobbed? did I miss that?
20100403 17:01:43< Zerovirus> [09:57]  * Zerovirus cries
20100403 17:02:09< Unnheulu> well
20100403 17:02:14< Unnheulu> that was 7 hours ago
20100403 17:02:16< King_Elendil> 2 minutes before I got here! 
20100403 17:02:19< Unnheulu> Can't blame us :P
20100403 17:02:20< Blarumyrran> 9 hours ago*
20100403 17:02:35< Blarumyrran> That's ancient history, dude
20100403 17:02:35< King_Elendil> 3 hours
20100403 17:02:49< Blarumyrran> Oh right, 8, my bad
20100403 17:03:16< Unnheulu> *recompiles*
20100403 17:03:21< Zerovirus> ...Screw timezones.
20100403 17:03:37 * King_Elendil feels sorry for the great Zero
20100403 17:04:16 * Unnheulu remembers that zero amounts for nothing, and as such having emotions for zero would be having emotions for nothing, so me does not have emotions
20100403 17:04:36< Unnheulu> Can't argue with maths :)
20100403 17:04:49< Unnheulu> Afterall, it ells your two wrongs make a right
20100403 17:05:07< King_Elendil> but do they? no.
20100403 17:05:16< Zerovirus> Whatever, I'll just finish this infantry sprite dude and post it in a bit.
20100403 17:05:16< Unnheulu> Yes they do
20100403 17:05:23< Unnheulu> No zero
20100403 17:05:26< Unnheulu> the ghast :P
20100403 17:05:37< King_Elendil> two odds make an even
20100403 17:05:42< Blarumyrran> Ghast-airconditioner-infantry
20100403 17:05:56< Blarumyrran> King_Elendil, not with multiplication
20100403 17:06:52< King_Elendil> did I say an odd# multiplied by an odd# = an even#? no
20100403 17:07:13< Blarumyrran> You said "two odds make an even" though
20100403 17:07:27< Unnheulu> two odds does make an even
20100403 17:07:35< King_Elendil> nvm
20100403 17:07:40< Unnheulu> 3 + 3 is 6, 6%2=0, so 6 is even
20100403 17:08:39< Zerovirus> I can divide by zero!
20100403 17:08:53< Unnheulu> yes, but, you get infinite
20100403 17:08:57< Blarumyrran> That is to say, for any f: N x N -> N for any f, where N is a natural number
20100403 17:09:15< Zerovirus> (Zerovirus)/(Zero)=(Your Computer A BSOD)
20100403 17:09:16< Blarumyrran> And that is wrong when f is multiplication
20100403 17:09:16 * Unnheulu is going to try dividing by 0 in wml some day
20100403 17:09:36 * King_Elendil returns to lurking around the forums...
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20100403 17:12:21 * Unnheulu returns to his blaargh-ing
20100403 17:14:10< Gambit> Two falses do not make a true btw.
20100403 17:14:23< Gambit> But two true + false = true
20100403 17:14:26< King_Elendil> right
20100403 17:14:29< Gambit> Two trues are undefined.
20100403 17:14:34< Gambit> It's strage. :)
20100403 17:14:49< Blarumyrran> "two" is undefined
20100403 17:14:50< Gambit> *strange
20100403 17:14:56< Zerovirus> Guh. I think I liked it better when people were making fun of my air conditioners.
20100403 17:15:05< Gambit> They need more knobs!
20100403 17:15:08< King_Elendil> me too
20100403 17:15:09< Gambit> ;)
20100403 17:15:22< King_Elendil> no I don't! lol
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20100403 17:15:38< Unnheulu> ewwy
20100403 17:17:17< Gambit> Seriously Zerovirus I want to be able to control the exact temperature.
20100403 17:17:24< Gambit> Digital readout!
20100403 17:17:42< Gambit> These are just terrible air conditioners.
20100403 17:19:10< King_Elendil> Zerovirus: I think you ought to try to do something for main-line. You have the talent, and could use a blue name.
20100403 17:19:16< Unnheulu> *cries*
20100403 17:19:17< Unnheulu> I gotta bug
20100403 17:19:25< King_Elendil> what?
20100403 17:19:40< Gambit> Bug out!
20100403 17:19:46< Unnheulu> ah
20100403 17:19:49< Unnheulu> I forgot the .hpp
20100403 17:19:50< Zerovirus> And that's what fish and ghasts are for.
20100403 17:20:17< King_Elendil> on second thought nvm Unnheulu
20100403 17:20:26< Gambit> I am paying him in thank yous and cameos.
20100403 17:21:09< Zerovirus> Pretty much yeah.
20100403 17:21:30< Zerovirus> I just realized that this thing I'm drawing looks like Samus's power suit.
20100403 17:24:28< Gambit> And also hopefully maintainence of Steelhive.
20100403 17:25:13< Zerovirus> What someone needs to do is simply rewrite all unit cfgs to my liking :P
20100403 17:25:42< Gambit> I'll need a list of everything you dislike about them currently.
20100403 17:26:17< Zerovirus> The fact that units are assigned to movetypes and I thus don't know how to edit individual units' defenses and such.
20100403 17:26:33< Zerovirus> I want to tweak stats :s
20100403 17:26:38< Gambit> You can still edit individuals' defenses and such
20100403 17:26:42< Gambit> the movetype is the default
20100403 17:26:52< Gambit> but that is overridden by whatever else is in the unit cfg.
20100403 17:27:00< Unnheulu> two bugs in my code squashed
20100403 17:27:27< Zerovirus> yannow I can't edit cfgs at all :s
20100403 17:27:33 * Gambit rage quits cavestory for the umteenth time
20100403 17:27:54< Gambit> Okay well then you tell me what stats you want and I can override them i nthe unit cfg ;)
20100403 17:28:09< King_Elendil> *in the
20100403 17:29:33< Zerovirus> lol
20100403 17:29:41< Zerovirus> Just do what I did and edit your max HP to be 9001
20100403 17:30:17< Gambit> But I want to win without cheating :(
20100403 17:30:19< Zerovirus> Actually, what I really need you to do is set up a dummy thing with all stats and move costs at one so that I can mess around with balance as I feel like it.
20100403 17:30:21< Gambit> I cant beat egg corridor 2
20100403 17:30:28< Zerovirus> Do you have spur?
20100403 17:30:32< Gambit> No
20100403 17:30:42< Zerovirus> I just charged up spur and killed every undead dragon with one hit.
20100403 17:30:44< Gambit> I have fireball, machine gun, blade, and misssiles
20100403 17:30:51< Gambit> I never ever uses missles...
20100403 17:30:55< Zerovirus> Watch out for the falling stalactices, one is right over the savepoint door :P
20100403 17:31:01< Gambit> It's those darn double dragons that I can't beat.
20100403 17:31:05< Zerovirus> The Sisters?
20100403 17:31:05< Gambit> the two brown ones
20100403 17:31:08< Gambit> that fly around in circles
20100403 17:31:21< Zerovirus> Oh darn. Them. Do you have the spinning green stars from the labyrinth? The Whimsical Stars?
20100403 17:31:29< Gambit> the wa?
20100403 17:31:32< Zerovirus> That's a no
20100403 17:31:40< Zerovirus> The projectiles can be easily destroyed.
20100403 17:31:49< Zerovirus> Just shoot then when their mouth opens, use weapons that generate lotsa projectiles.
20100403 17:31:56< Zerovirus> Like bubbler and machinegun.
20100403 17:32:11< Zerovirus> When their mouth opens you can get a missile in and they won't shoot.
20100403 17:32:27< Zerovirus> Just keep trying I guess, they're one of the easier bosses actually, though it took me 3 tries to beat them.
20100403 17:32:35< Zerovirus> I wonder what you'll do when you get to the final bosses.
20100403 17:33:21< Zerovirus> Egg corridor 2's music is awesome, though, isn't it?
20100403 17:34:10< Gambit> the problem is it takes so long to get to them
20100403 17:34:15< Gambit> and there's no save point prior :(
20100403 17:34:20< Zerovirus> ...There isn't?
20100403 17:34:22< Zerovirus> Are you sure?
20100403 17:34:33< Gambit> Well it must be one of those gay hidden ones if there is :\
20100403 17:34:44< Zerovirus> I don't recall them being so difficult to get to, I think there is a save somewhere. 
20100403 17:34:47 * Zerovirus checks walkthrough
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20100403 17:35:05< Unnheulu> I hate bugd
20100403 17:35:07< Unnheulu> *bugs
20100403 17:35:34< Zerovirus> you know if you don't take the chest and just leave via window you can skip the fight.
20100403 17:35:43< Zerovirus> But then you miss a missile expansion.
20100403 17:35:53< Zerovirus> Of course you said you rarely use misiles anyways.
20100403 17:36:06< Gambit> Well I just got really close just now by spamming blade
20100403 17:36:14< Gambit> they couldn't even fire off a shot while they were taking turns
20100403 17:36:24< Gambit> but then they both started firing at once and I fell down :\
20100403 17:36:38< Zerovirus> Never fall down >.<
20100403 17:36:43< Zerovirus> If you have to just skip the damn fight!
20100403 17:38:29 * Gambit will not let this archaic game beat him
20100403 17:40:21< Gambit> Can I go back through the window after going outside to save?
20100403 17:40:25< Zerovirus> Yes.
20100403 17:40:29< Gambit> ahah!
20100403 17:40:35< Zerovirus> I think.
20100403 17:40:41< Zerovirus> :P
20100403 17:40:47< Zerovirus> Stop trying to break the game.
20100403 17:40:51< Gambit> the save window is blocked
20100403 17:40:53< Gambit> with bricks :\
20100403 17:41:38< Zerovirus> Wait what?
20100403 17:41:41< Gambit> bugger bugger bugger
20100403 17:41:42< Zerovirus> Guh.
20100403 17:41:46< Gambit> It has bricks in front of the door.
20100403 17:42:53< Zerovirus> Sigh.
20100403 17:43:03< Zerovirus> Then you have to fight the bosses apparently if you want to save?
20100403 17:43:09< Gambit> this is all I have to say to cavestory
20100403 17:43:10< Gambit> http://grickit.blogspot.com/2010/01/saving-and-pause.html
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20100403 17:43:44< Blarumyrran> Ouch
20100403 17:43:53< Blarumyrran> That is a repelling color scheme if I ever saw one
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20100403 17:44:10< Gambit> :(
20100403 17:44:21< Blarumyrran> I mean seriously, black on dark teal?
20100403 17:44:31< Blarumyrran> black text*
20100403 17:44:54< Zerovirus> The brown header's kinda out of place if we're talking aesthetics.
20100403 17:46:23< Zerovirus> Oh lookie there I finished a lv2 humanoid gold air conditioner.
20100403 17:46:32< Blarumyrran> Link?
20100403 17:47:01< Zerovirus> Not until I finish its lv1 version.
20100403 17:49:28< Gambit> Blarumyrran: Comment on my blog and I'll fix the colors :D
20100403 17:49:29< Gambit> lol
20100403 17:51:27< Gambit> No cavestory. I would not like to retry.
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20100403 17:51:42< Zerovirus> lol.
20100403 17:51:45< Zerovirus> Go do dynamica.
20100403 17:51:59< Zerovirus> Oh no wait, do conversions of all Cave Story boss battles into Wesnoth.
20100403 17:52:09< Zerovirus> Especially monster X. It recruits armies of those annoying fish missiles.
20100403 17:52:24< Zerovirus> And it can do (Run You Over 10-1 Charge, Marksman)
20100403 17:52:44< Gambit> 10-1 Charge, Marksman, First strike.
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20100403 17:53:41< Zerovirus> 50% Weakness to Blade damage? :P
20100403 17:54:05< Gambit> Only on every other turn ;)
20100403 17:54:12< Gambit> Otherwise he is immune to everything.
20100403 17:54:20< Zerovirus> Righto.
20100403 17:54:37< Zerovirus> And of course a few of those Gaudis flying around.
20100403 17:56:00 * Gambit does not have the necessary brain power today that is required for coding things :\
20100403 17:57:06 * Gambit is going to do something mundane that is still related to Dynamica... like... magentanizing all fifty gazillion space ships.
20100403 17:58:12< Gambit> I found this awesome pixel art program
20100403 17:58:26< Gambit> But it is embedded in another program and I can't use it standalone
20100403 17:58:41< Gambit> When you select-> copy stuff, it shrinks your selection to fit only nontransparent pixels
20100403 17:59:04< Gambit> Which IMO is the smartest thing I've ever heard of when it comes to image editing software.
20100403 17:59:32< Blarumyrran> Well there are cases where that would be bad, of course
20100403 18:00:00< Blarumyrran> But I don't see when would it be good?
20100403 18:00:00< Gambit> I can't think of any.
20100403 18:00:36< Blarumyrran> I can't think of any actually realistic cases where it would create a difference actually
20100403 18:01:10< Gambit> It's quicker to have an auto fit rectangle selector than to have to lasso something.
20100403 18:01:25< Blarumyrran> What do oyu need the lasso for
20100403 18:01:44< Gambit> Well I have these large sprite sheets that were ripped from games (over at spriters resource)
20100403 18:01:51< Gambit> and I am copying them into individual frames.
20100403 18:02:11< Gambit> In the animation all the frames need to be the same size
20100403 18:02:29< Gambit> Now in any other editing program, the pasted image would be the size of the rectangle I selected
20100403 18:02:40< Gambit> which means I have to move it around, or use the lasso when copying.
20100403 18:03:08< Gambit> There's no need to copy empty pixels anyway.
20100403 18:03:24< Blarumyrran> usually
20100403 18:04:55< Blarumyrran> But what if you pasted to a larger image instead?
20100403 18:05:05< Blarumyrran> Then you would benefit from it not working this way
20100403 18:05:18< Blarumyrran> Unless I misunderstoof what you said
20100403 18:07:45< Zerovirus> What do you need ripped sprite sheets for anyways? Definitely not Wesnoth.
20100403 18:08:09< Gambit> No.
20100403 18:08:34< Gambit> I'm making a platformer (for educational purposes) and wanted pretty art to look at
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20100403 18:09:24< Zerovirus> I'm thinking Megaman X sprites in 16 bit.
20100403 18:09:59 * Gambit stole maplestory sprites :o
20100403 18:11:06< Zerovirus> >.<
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20100403 18:17:12< Gambit> Zerovirus: check out my art thread.
20100403 18:17:18< Gambit> Got a weird alien thinger.
20100403 18:18:32< Zerovirus> Oh dang cool. Who's work was that?
20100403 18:18:40< Zerovirus> Also lol circle shadow fail
20100403 18:19:22< Gambit> :(
20100403 18:19:26< Gambit> It was Neo's
20100403 18:20:08< Gambit> hmmm multiple neos... um lemme get more specifics here
20100403 18:20:52< Zerovirus> Neorice? Prime god of my Sprite Art Pantheon?
20100403 18:21:08< Zerovirus> The sprite itself seemingly has japanese motifs in it.
20100403 18:21:08< Gambit> it was part of an image names neoimages_157
20100403 18:21:16< Gambit> I'm looking through the library trying to find it again
20100403 18:22:51< Gambit> :\ I looked at all four people whos names start with neo and can't find it
20100403 18:23:17< Zerovirus> ...
20100403 18:23:34< Zerovirus> Look through every single person. Write a script to search the wiki or something.
20100403 18:23:41< Zerovirus> Or just search the wiki period.
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20100403 18:24:52< Gambit> can you search file names?
20100403 18:25:12< Zerovirus> No idea. You can try?
20100403 18:26:34< Zerovirus> I just love it when I'm randomly scribbling and all of a sudden I discover new tricks to spriting.
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20100403 18:32:55< Gambit> :\
20100403 18:33:03< Gambit> that day I only clicked on names I recognized
20100403 18:33:56< Zerovirus> I wish I had a graphics library page >.>
20100403 18:35:48< Gambit> AHA!
20100403 18:35:49< Gambit> Turin.
20100403 18:36:00< Gambit> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Contrib:Turin
20100403 18:36:37< Blarumyrran> ironic
20100403 18:37:48< Gambit> Why?
20100403 18:38:17< Blarumyrran> He hated Neorice
20100403 18:38:28< Blarumyrran> and drakes
20100403 18:38:53< Zerovirus> Oh really?
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20100403 18:38:56< Blarumyrran> I hate drakes too, but a lot of things made by Neorice are cool
20100403 18:39:01< Zerovirus> Hate is a very strong term yannow.
20100403 18:39:04< Zerovirus> :P
20100403 18:39:14< Gambit> yannow is a very strange term yannow.
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20100403 18:41:19< Gambit> Zerovirus: my shadowing of your magma dragon likewise failed...
20100403 18:41:24< Gambit> It's way too dark.
20100403 18:41:30< Gambit> Even though I used the color the wiki said :\
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20100403 18:43:07< Zerovirus> :P
20100403 18:43:37< Zerovirus> Ooh, nice space station in Dynamica. Where'd you pilfer it from?
20100403 18:45:04< Gambit> GE
20100403 18:45:08< Gambit> which pilfered it from Spacenoth
20100403 18:46:02< Zerovirus> Anyways I'm done with two Corsair-style infantry units, one basic and one slightly cooler. Posting in 1 minute.
20100403 18:46:09< Gambit> I prefer the term "commandeer"
20100403 18:46:52< Zerovirus> How would the name "Alcestis" sound for a spaceship model?
20100403 18:47:17< Gambit> Sounds like a foot fungus.
20100403 18:47:24< Gambit> Or a medicine to prevent foot fungus.
20100403 18:47:33< Zerovirus> Thanks. >.<
20100403 18:47:38< Gambit> Sooo.... sounds good.
20100403 18:47:41< Zerovirus> Posted on art workshop btw. Go check my thread.
20100403 18:48:03< Gambit> WHOA!
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20100403 18:48:41< Gambit> Do you see what you just drew?
20100403 18:48:55< Zerovirus> I see that the second one looks like Samus. :P
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20100403 18:50:20< Zerovirus> So what do you see in what I drew?
20100403 18:50:27< Gambit> Kinda puts all the other infantry to shame :\
20100403 18:50:48< Gambit> I see awesomeness with a side of bacon and lobster.
20100403 18:51:04< Blarumyrran> You pillowshade a lot, and the spaceship looks like it is meant to be symmetrical but it isn't - but other than that, this is a giant improvement over the magical air conditioners
20100403 18:51:15< Gambit> That's right. So awesome that lobster has become a side dish to it.
20100403 18:51:16< Zerovirus> Yeah I'm aware of pillowing. I'm trying to fix it >.>
20100403 18:51:57< Zerovirus> Also, the spaceship isn't symmetrical? I dunno, it looks symmetrical to my relatively untrained eye.
20100403 18:51:58< Zerovirus> >.>
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20100403 18:52:28< Blarumyrran> It looks so unsymmetrical to me that I can't really even tell its shape
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20100403 18:54:37< Zerovirus> Uhhh... Are we talking about the same thing here? I dunno, I see the shape just fine given that there's a shadow right below the thing that shows what its silhouette ie.
20100403 18:55:44< Blarumyrran> I'll do a quick paintover
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20100403 18:56:37< Zerovirus> Yay :)
20100403 18:57:05< Gambit> Zerovirus: you should try for WSoA
20100403 18:57:16< Zerovirus> Nope.
20100403 18:57:25< Zerovirus> That's... Rather a bad idea.
20100403 18:57:32< Gambit> :(
20100403 18:57:44< Gambit> Then how about GSoC? ;)
20100403 18:57:47< Zerovirus> I'm wayyy behind muster compared to everyone else. Tell Blarumyrran to do that, that's more reasonable.
20100403 18:58:18< Blarumyrran> Nop, I'd have to say my real-life name for WSoA (if that will happen this year at all) - and I don't want to
20100403 18:58:38< Blarumyrran> (and possibly telephone numbers, etc)
20100403 18:58:45< Zerovirus> Sigh.
20100403 18:58:52< Gambit> Don't be embarrased.
20100403 18:58:58< Gambit> Lots of people have funny names.
20100403 18:59:39 * Zerovirus looks in other direction
20100403 18:59:40< Blarumyrran> yep
20100403 18:59:49 * Gambit starts imagining reasons why Blarumyrran wouldn't want to say his real name.
20100403 18:59:50< Blarumyrran> That's the real reason
20100403 18:59:57< zookeeper> Blarumyrran, maybe they'd allow an exception for you. i could come over and deliver the money to a prearranged location, too.
20100403 19:00:06< Gambit> You're really a famous art theif aren't you?
20100403 19:00:13< Gambit> LOL leave the bag in the dumpster
20100403 19:00:15< Gambit> come alone
20100403 19:00:18< Blarumyrran> zookeeper, does WSoA even happen this year?
20100403 19:00:28< zookeeper> Blarumyrran, umm, i don't know really.
20100403 19:01:09< Zerovirus> Now I'm imagining you as a gangster mushroom-turnip-gestalt creature. :P
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20100403 19:02:13< Gambit> He's on the run for insurance fraud.
20100403 19:02:19< Gambit> Or maybe he's a famous actor
20100403 19:02:25< Gambit> and doesn't want anyone to know
20100403 19:02:44< Gambit> Or he's really young.
20100403 19:03:03< Blarumyrran> besides, zookeeper, one of us would have to pay 30+ eur
20100403 19:03:19< Blarumyrran> And that one of us would obviously be me
20100403 19:03:23< zookeeper> yep
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20100403 19:05:28< Gambit> OH OH! He's undercover.
20100403 19:05:54 * Gambit is stabbed by secret agent.
20100403 19:07:37< Blarumyrran> I mean, if some of the people I know in real life and started showing me my forum posts more than a few months old I'd be sort of embarrassed
20100403 19:08:40< Gambit> I don't follow.
20100403 19:08:59< Gambit> Mostly because that sentance did not make sense.
20100403 19:09:07< Gambit> But it's okay.
20100403 19:09:10< Blarumyrran> Yeah, I pressed enter prematurely
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20100403 19:09:26< Blarumyrran> but you can dismiss the "and" and it will function well enough
20100403 19:09:30< Gambit> It's just sad you can't be duly credited for the work you've already done, and can't be paid for work you might do in the future.
20100403 19:09:47< Blarumyrran> And a lot of things I have done, I now realise are hideous
20100403 19:10:05< Gambit> You don't need me telling you that you deserve it (but by making that statement I am ;) )
20100403 19:10:12< Blarumyrran> like the city villages! They're far inferior to those made by pekka or whoever it was
20100403 19:10:52< Blarumyrran> I mean, if you compare it to other new terrain graphics, like those ugly orcish forts, they don't seem that bad
20100403 19:10:56< Blarumyrran> But compared to the classics...
20100403 19:11:24< Zerovirus> Well I can't really measure up to either the orc forts or to your villages so I won't even bother interjecting my own misinformed opinions here.
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20100403 19:12:15< Gambit> Beethoven's 9th village is my favorite :\
20100403 19:12:43< Gambit> "classics" :\
20100403 19:12:54 * Zerovirus gags
20100403 19:13:13< Gambit> It wasn't that corny.
20100403 19:13:27< Blarumyrran> You know what is?
20100403 19:13:51< Blarumyrran> AhumadoGranujo100 3:45 it's always like an orgasm ; ) 37  
20100403 19:14:03< Blarumyrran> The first "high-rated" comment for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAOTCtW9v0M
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20100403 19:14:23< Gambit> LOL
20100403 19:14:53< Gambit> people are retarded some times.
20100403 19:15:30< Blarumyrran> Pretty much all people who post any comments on youtube, are always
20100403 19:15:56< Gambit>  /insert xkcd comic
20100403 19:16:22< Gambit> Zerovirus: need a funny break? :)
20100403 19:16:30 * Zerovirus yawns
20100403 19:16:31< Zerovirus> Sure
20100403 19:16:34< Blarumyrran> Now I have no way of proving that, but I thought that already before xkcd
20100403 19:16:48< Blarumyrran> I also found Drake's equation days before xkcd did!
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20100403 19:17:06< Gambit> Zerovirus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqq051BU2MY
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20100403 19:18:43< Zerovirus> What the hell.
20100403 19:18:46< Zerovirus> >.<
20100403 19:18:59< Zerovirus> WKUK is nuts.
20100403 19:19:07< Gambit> lol
20100403 19:20:39< Zerovirus> rofl.
20100403 19:20:57< Gambit> He's the grapist
20100403 19:21:06< Gambit> that's what he does. He graps people in the mouth.
20100403 19:21:36< Zerovirus> >.<
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20100403 19:21:46< Zerovirus> Great. Now my nightmares will have him in it too.
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20100403 19:31:38< Blarumyrran> shadowmaster, I'll bet 10€ that you will lock a forum topic in the next half an hour. Deal?
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20100403 19:32:23< shadowmaster> my connection's not stable atm
20100403 19:32:34< Blarumyrran> Hm, I'll revoke the offer then
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20100403 19:42:19< shadowmaster> barely stableenough to bring shikadibot and umcreg back :/
20100403 19:43:11< shadowmaster> ugh. I see.
20100403 19:51:43< shadowmaster> Unnheulu|Laptop: I'm not at uni onsaturdays, you fool
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20100403 19:53:50< King_Elendil> Hah! Unnheulu: Shadowmaster locked your thread! lol :p
20100403 19:55:49< Blarumyrran> Anyway, Zerovirus, I tried but can't seem to get the perspective really fixed. But it is terribly wrong on your sprite still - I've heard that the guy who made spacenoth ships, rendered them in 3d modelling program and then drawed pixel-art over them. You should do the same I think, especially if you want to have such weird curvy shapes on your spaceships.
20100403 19:56:49< Zerovirus> Hmm... I guess I'll try doing that. Thanks anyways.
20100403 19:57:10< shadowmaster> King_Elendil: what thread?
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20100403 19:57:29< Blarumyrran> I see what you did there
20100403 19:58:05< King_Elendil> "The church of shadowmaster". I wanted to ask you to earlier, but you weren't here
20100403 19:58:18< shadowmaster> Gambit: it is possible to create custom color ranges and palettes for wesnoth-tc, but you'll then have to use the command line version and a modified tc_ranges.def
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20100403 19:59:23< shadowmaster> in fact, you can just create your own and use it like this: wesnoth-tc --def custom.def --pal source_palette_id -rc target_range1,target_range2 source_image.png
20100403 19:59:45< shadowmaster> --key, not --pal
20100403 20:00:13< shadowmaster> and -rc, not --rc   :/
20100403 20:00:38< shadowmaster> where custom.def is the file that has the custom definitions, of course. If you want to use it like the game's  ~PAL() function, then instead of using --rc use --pal
20100403 20:00:39< Blarumyrran> you did write -rc
20100403 20:00:47< shadowmaster> Blarumyrran: yes, and I'm correcting myself.
20100403 20:01:02< shadowmaster> ah crap.
20100403 20:01:05< Blarumyrran> :)
20100403 20:01:10< shadowmaster> just read the fucking README
20100403 20:01:18< shadowmaster> or wesnoth-tc --help
20100403 20:02:07< shadowmaster> I may make it possible to define keys and ranges on the command line in Git master, though.
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20100403 20:27:59< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: where'd my thread go?...
20100403 20:28:33< Unnheulu> *cries*
20100403 20:28:35< Blarumyrran> It doesn't exist
20100403 20:28:40< Blarumyrran> It has never existed
20100403 20:28:57< Zerovirus> What thread?
20100403 20:28:59< Blarumyrran> We have always been at war with East-Asia
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20100403 20:55:53< ancestral> Happy iPad day, everyone
20100403 21:00:33< Blarumyrran> Today 13 years ago, 52 out of the 53 inhabitants of Thalit village were killed by slitting their throats.
20100403 21:00:43< Blarumyrran> And you celebrate... the arrival of iPad.
20100403 21:05:16< Blarumyrran> I hope you'll remember that whenever you see an iPad, ancestral. That is a piece of glass and metal and plastic composed by a company that decided to celebrate the massacre of innocent villagers by releasing a gadget.
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20100403 21:24:04< ancestral> Blarumyrran: Haha
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20100403 21:35:23< PeterPorty> Hello guys!
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20100403 21:38:30< PeterPorty> so.... anyone up for a grafted era match?
20100403 21:40:00< PeterPorty> ok, i guess you guys aint very chatty today...
20100403 21:40:02< PeterPorty> bye
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20100403 21:40:23< ancestral> kthxbai
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20100403 21:46:37< Unnheulu> ancestral: in all seriousness, an iPad is an oversized iPod, too big to go in your pocket, without the processing capabilities to do anything significant
20100403 21:46:50< Unnheulu> Admit it, if it weren't by Apple, no-one would care
20100403 21:47:10< ancestral> Unnheulu: Initially
20100403 21:47:14< ancestral> Yes
20100403 21:47:24< ancestral> It takes time to win over the media
20100403 21:47:41< Unnheulu> Infact, Apple themselves *should* be sued
20100403 21:47:46< Unnheulu> They break countless laws
20100403 21:48:01< Unnheulu> (eg, iTunes demands you give you your credit card details on sign-up)
20100403 21:48:19< Unnheulu> it also demands your post-code, your address, and your phone number
20100403 21:48:30< Unnheulu> They don't need any of that, so demanding it is illegal
20100403 21:49:15< ancestral> Unnheulu
20100403 21:49:15< Unnheulu> ancestral: plus, they bribed people not to tell the media when iPod touch's started catching fire
20100403 21:49:16< ancestral> No
20100403 21:49:19< Unnheulu> ancestral: Yes
20100403 21:49:21< ancestral> Does not require a credit card
20100403 21:49:24< ancestral> You can use gift cards
20100403 21:49:28< Unnheulu> I don't know where you are, but, in the EU it is
20100403 21:49:35< ancestral> Wrong
20100403 21:49:38< Unnheulu> ancestral: but, when you sign up, you must give it your credit card
20100403 21:49:42< Unnheulu> Under EU law it is
20100403 21:49:44< ancestral> No you don't
20100403 21:50:05< Unnheulu> You can remove the details after, but, initially you must
20100403 21:52:02< Unnheulu> Which is illegal under EU laws
20100403 21:52:11< ancestral> What country are you in?
20100403 21:52:15< Unnheulu> The UK
20100403 21:52:21< Unnheulu> But, under EU laws ;)
20100403 21:52:44< Unnheulu> ancestral: I'm guessing your in america?
20100403 21:52:50< ancestral> Yes
20100403 21:52:55< Unnheulu> Where some of the worlds slackest data protection laws are...
20100403 21:53:19< Unnheulu> If Apple stores EU customer details *in America*, their also breaking even more laws
20100403 21:53:32< ancestral> No
20100403 21:53:43< Unnheulu> That's right ancestral, the US's laws are so slack, that US companies can't store the details of EU residents in America
20100403 21:53:43< ancestral> You can use an iTunes gift card to set up an account
20100403 21:53:55< Unnheulu> You can't...
20100403 21:54:00< ancestral> Yes you can
20100403 21:54:01< Unnheulu> Besides, if you don't have a gift card
20100403 21:54:13< ancestral> You need some form of payment!
20100403 21:54:40< Unnheulu> But, if you don't have a gift card, you *must* give out your credit card, or equivalent, no?
20100403 21:54:41< ancestral> Do you see on the iTunes Store
20100403 21:54:43< ancestral> Redeem
20100403 21:54:43< Unnheulu> That is illegal
20100403 21:54:57< ancestral> If you don't have a gift card
20100403 21:55:02< ancestral> You can use a credit or debit card
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20100403 21:55:13< ancestral> Those are the two options
20100403 21:55:14< Unnheulu> But, they don't need that!
20100403 21:55:18< Unnheulu> So that's illegal
20100403 21:55:20< ancestral> Don't need what?
20100403 21:55:25< Unnheulu> They *don't need payment details*
20100403 21:55:29< ancestral> You don't
20100403 21:55:32< ancestral> With a gift card
20100403 21:55:38< ancestral> Other than the code on the card
20100403 21:55:44< Unnheulu> But, then *you have to buy a gift card*
20100403 21:55:50< ancestral> Yes…
20100403 21:56:02< Unnheulu> So they're breaking the law
20100403 21:56:06< ancestral> How?
20100403 21:56:15< ancestral> If I say I don't take checks, cash and cards only
20100403 21:56:19< ancestral> Am I breaking the law?
20100403 21:56:23< Unnheulu> To comply with EU regulations there must be an option that disables any form of payment details
20100403 21:56:31< Unnheulu> ancestral: but, they don't need payment details
20100403 21:56:34< ancestral> What is "form of payment details"
20100403 21:56:36< Unnheulu> *its not required*
20100403 21:56:46< Unnheulu> For instance, a gift card, or a credit card
20100403 21:56:51< Unnheulu> They don't need that kind of stuff
20100403 21:57:00< ancestral> An iTunes gift card is not a credit card
20100403 21:57:04< ancestral> Have you even seen one?
20100403 21:57:04< ancestral> [
20100403 21:57:08< Unnheulu> YES
20100403 21:57:10< Unnheulu> BUT
20100403 21:57:11< Unnheulu> IF
20100403 21:57:12< Unnheulu> YOU
20100403 21:57:13< Unnheulu> WANT
20100403 21:57:14< Unnheulu> TO
20100403 21:57:15< Unnheulu> SIGN
20100403 21:57:16< Unnheulu> UP
20100403 21:57:18< Unnheulu> AN 
20100403 21:57:19< Unnheulu> ACCOUNT
20100403 21:57:21< Unnheulu> THEN 
20100403 21:57:22< Unnheulu> YOU
20100403 21:57:23< Unnheulu> MUST 
20100403 21:57:25< ancestral> No you don't
20100403 21:57:25< Unnheulu> EITHER 
20100403 21:57:27< Unnheulu> USE
20100403 21:57:28< Unnheulu> A
20100403 21:57:33< Unnheulu> GIFT
20100403 21:57:33< ancestral> Dude, please
20100403 21:57:34< Unnheulu> CARD
20100403 21:57:36< Unnheulu> OR 
20100403 21:57:38< Unnheulu> A 
20100403 21:57:39< ancestral> Shadowmaster: ?
20100403 21:57:40< Unnheulu> CREDIT
20100403 21:57:42< Unnheulu> CARD
20100403 21:57:44< Unnheulu> There is no option to use
20100403 21:57:46< Unnheulu> none
20100403 21:57:50< Unnheulu> Which is illegal under EU laws
20100403 21:58:14< ancestral> You can have an account without a credit or debit card
20100403 21:58:28< Unnheulu> To comply with EU laws, then they must add an option that doesn't require a credit card, doesn't require a debit card, doesn't require a gift card
20100403 21:58:38< Unnheulu> They don't need to force you to have a way of paying
20100403 21:58:39< ancestral> Doesn't require a gift card?
20100403 21:58:39< ancestral> Where
20100403 21:58:41< ancestral> Show me
20100403 21:58:55< Unnheulu> There must be an option that doesn't require you to have a gift card
20100403 21:58:59< Unnheulu> Otherwise its illegal
20100403 21:59:03< Unnheulu> omg
20100403 21:59:07< ancestral> Where does it say this?
20100403 21:59:07< Unnheulu> My patch is compiliing
20100403 21:59:15< Unnheulu> ancestral: EU regulations say that
20100403 21:59:18< ancestral> Unnheulu: How do you propose to do business otherwise?
20100403 21:59:19< Unnheulu> (European Union)
20100403 21:59:23< ancestral> And where does it say this?
20100403 21:59:33< Unnheulu> ancestral: They could ask for your credit card each time you try to buy something
20100403 21:59:39< ancestral> unnheulu: If so, there's tons of businesses that are breaking the law
20100403 21:59:39< Unnheulu> it says thisin the EU regulations
20100403 21:59:50< Unnheulu> ancestral: They're allowed to do it in america
20100403 22:00:03< ancestral> "They could ask for your credit card each time you try to buy something"
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20100403 22:00:04< Unnheulu> Apple is the only company I know of, in the UK, that breaks that particular law
20100403 22:00:07< ancestral> What do you mean by that?
20100403 22:00:07< Unnheulu> ancestral: yes
20100403 22:00:13< Unnheulu> Whenever you press the buy button
20100403 22:00:15< Unnheulu> It says:
20100403 22:00:23< Unnheulu> Please enter your credit card details:
20100403 22:00:30< ancestral> You click "Redeem"
20100403 22:00:30< Unnheulu> Rather than demanding it when you sign up an account
20100403 22:00:35< ancestral> You type in your gift card number
20100403 22:00:39< Unnheulu> BUT
20100403 22:00:40< Unnheulu> WHAT
20100403 22:00:41< Unnheulu> IF
20100403 22:00:42< Unnheulu> YOU DON'T
20100403 22:00:43< ancestral> You get that amount in your account
20100403 22:00:45< Unnheulu> HAVE 
20100403 22:00:46< Unnheulu> A 
20100403 22:00:48< Unnheulu> GIFT 
20100403 22:00:50< Unnheulu> CARD!?!?!
20100403 22:00:51< ancestral> Keep your words in one line please
20100403 22:01:01< ancestral> If you don't have a gift card you need to buy one
20100403 22:01:01< Unnheulu> You don't understand me when I do that
20100403 22:01:08< Unnheulu> Which is the illegal part -.-
20100403 22:01:12< ancestral> How?
20100403 22:01:19< Unnheulu> Under the EU law
20100403 22:01:23< ancestral> You can go to the store and buy one with cash
20100403 22:01:25< Unnheulu> You ever read the EU laws?
20100403 22:01:26< Unnheulu> No.
20100403 22:01:34< Unnheulu> So don't say it doesn't say that
20100403 22:01:42< Unnheulu> ancestral: like I said, legal in the US, not in the EU
20100403 22:01:45< ancestral> How do you propose they confrorm to EU law
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20100403 22:01:51< ancestral> If this is the case
20100403 22:02:07< ancestral> How do you facilitate transactions online without a credit, debit, or gift card?
20100403 22:02:08< Unnheulu> By adding a button on account sign up that says None, next to redeem and credit/debit card
20100403 22:02:15< ancestral> How do you pay for it?
20100403 22:02:18< Unnheulu> ancestral: what if you don't want transactions?
20100403 22:02:23< ancestral> What do you mean?
20100403 22:02:29< ancestral> Download stuff for free?
20100403 22:02:34< Unnheulu> No
20100403 22:02:43< Unnheulu> What if you *don't want to buy stuff*
20100403 22:02:53< Unnheulu> I know it sounds weird to you Americans
20100403 22:03:00< ancestral> You want an account?
20100403 22:03:04< ancestral> But not to buy stuff?
20100403 22:03:05< Unnheulu> But, here in the UK, it is actually (surprisingly) very common
20100403 22:03:11< Unnheulu> You need an account to get an iPod
20100403 22:03:14< ancestral> No you don't
20100403 22:03:19< Unnheulu> You can't use it till you make an account
20100403 22:03:22< Unnheulu> ancestral: I have an iPod
20100403 22:03:26< Unnheulu> It forced me to make an account
20100403 22:03:31< Unnheulu> (on the iTouch)
20100403 22:03:35< ancestral> Unnheulu: You do not need to even touch the iTunes Store to use your iPod
20100403 22:03:41< Unnheulu> You do
20100403 22:03:44< ancestral> You do not
20100403 22:03:46< Unnheulu> There is a little picture
20100403 22:03:49< Unnheulu> it shows a plug
20100403 22:03:51< ancestral> You can sync your own music and videos and photos
20100403 22:03:52< Unnheulu> it shows a computer
20100403 22:03:54< ancestral> Yes
20100403 22:03:57< Unnheulu> it shows itunes
20100403 22:04:00< ancestral> You need the iTunes application
20100403 22:04:01< Unnheulu> you read the manual
20100403 22:04:02< ancestral> Which is free
20100403 22:04:05< Unnheulu> it says you need itunes
20100403 22:04:08< ancestral> You do not need an iTunes account
20100403 22:04:11< Unnheulu> and you must create an account in itunes
20100403 22:04:11< ancestral> Hmm
20100403 22:04:17< Unnheulu> ancestral: no, its not free
20100403 22:04:23< Unnheulu> You must pay for the Windows/Mac os
20100403 22:04:27< Unnheulu> which are not free
20100403 22:04:33< Unnheulu> Apple then generates money from that fact
20100403 22:04:55< ancestral> https://myinfo.apple.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/MyInfo.woa/113/wo/mVMIApDFFKAvnFWvaRi5u0/0.0.5.7.32.5
20100403 22:05:00< ancestral> To create an account
20100403 22:05:09< ancestral> Unnheulu: Srsly?
20100403 22:05:10< ancestral> So
20100403 22:05:22< ancestral> It's Apple's fault that they provide a service for items that aren't free?
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20100403 22:05:39< ancestral> What on earth is that all about?
20100403 22:06:17< ancestral> Clearly he is mixing world views, politics, and personal bias into the argument
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20100403 22:07:28< Unnheulu> Then again maybe it didn't compile
20100403 22:07:32< Unnheulu> Back to the drawing board
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20100403 22:07:57< ancestral> Unnheulu: You okay?
20100403 22:08:04< Unnheulu> No
20100403 22:08:09< Unnheulu> you Americans seriously piss me off
20100403 22:08:16< Unnheulu> Thinking your in charge of the world
20100403 22:08:19< ancestral> ?
20100403 22:08:22< Unnheulu> Blowing people up for being communists
20100403 22:08:26< Unnheulu> Honestly
20100403 22:08:37< Unnheulu> Thinking you can ignore another countries rules, and just go and work there
20100403 22:08:48< ancestral> You're categorizing everyone just because some politicians and some people feel that way
20100403 22:08:54< Unnheulu> Attacking countries because they have weapons of mass distraction/oil
20100403 22:08:56< ancestral> It does not speak for the nation as a whole
20100403 22:09:01< Unnheulu> ancestral: you were just like that then, for the last few ages
20100403 22:09:02< ancestral> And it certainly does not speak for me
20100403 22:09:07< ancestral> Unnheulu: No
20100403 22:09:11< Unnheulu> Thinking you can ignore another countries rules, and just go and work there
20100403 22:09:12< Unnheulu> Thinking you can ignore another countries rules, and just go and work there
20100403 22:09:12< Unnheulu> Thinking you can ignore another countries rules, and just go and work there
20100403 22:09:12< Unnheulu> Thinking you can ignore another countries rules, and just go and work there
20100403 22:09:20< Unnheulu> You don't fit into that category?
20100403 22:09:29< Unnheulu> Gambit was the same a while back
20100403 22:09:35< ancestral> I am not a multi-billion dollar corporation. I am not responsible for that
20100403 22:09:45< Gambit> ?
20100403 22:11:04< ancestral> How you can just assume that I live in the same country or have some of the same products or even believe that in one aspect of using the product that it works a certain way that it somehow means that I think I'm in charge of the world?
20100403 22:11:27< ancestral> There's absolutely no logic there.
20100403 22:11:45< ancestral> And no, many, many Americans were very unhappy with the way America conducted world affairs in the past decade
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20100403 22:12:07< VurtualRuler98> I wasn't, but then again I've never worried.
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20100403 22:13:01< ancestral> Really the point is people's views in the U.S. are so varied that you are just showing ignorance assuming everyone in the U.S. is the same
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20100403 22:13:43< Unnheulu_> Ok
20100403 22:13:44< ancestral> How you can tie that with some unrelated argument about how an application works or possibly breaks a law in another country is simply foolish. I don't know what else to say about that.
20100403 22:13:46< Unnheulu_> I've calmed down now
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20100403 22:13:51< Unnheulu_> *sigh*
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20100403 22:14:46< Unnheulu_> Blargh
20100403 22:15:03< ancestral> Unnheulu: Compiling woes?
20100403 22:15:05< Unnheulu_> I'm getting compile warnings, but, no line numbers for where its taking place :(
20100403 22:15:18< Unnheulu_> ancestral: yeh for my patch that is destined never to work :P
20100403 22:15:18< ancestral> Damn
20100403 22:15:38< ancestral> Only warnings?
20100403 22:15:45 * Unnheulu_ takes a closer look as to how the blitting code works
20100403 22:15:50< ancestral> Generally it's okay if it's just a warning
20100403 22:16:00< Unnheulu_> ancestral: but, warnings get turned to errors by the makefile or w/e
20100403 22:16:01< ancestral> If it's an error then you've got a problem to fix :)
20100403 22:16:07< ancestral> Oh, okay
20100403 22:16:08< Unnheulu_> If its a warning it won't compile
20100403 22:16:15< ancestral> Really?
20100403 22:16:38< Unnheulu_> yep
20100403 22:16:52< Unnheulu_> (Wesnoth team did something to stop it compiling >.>)
20100403 22:17:17< ancestral> Hmm, maybe talk in #wesnoth-dev with a Linux dev (if that's the system you're on)
20100403 22:17:25< Unnheulu_> Nah
20100403 22:17:35< Unnheulu_> I wanna fix it myself, 'cos I learn more ;)
20100403 22:17:37< ancestral> Or you'll be able to figure it out?
20100403 22:17:38< ancestral> :)
20100403 22:18:16< Unnheulu_> Plus, if I constantly ask for help, when I get two patches in I won't be worthy of the shiny red name^^
20100403 22:18:25< ancestral> Hehe
20100403 22:18:32< ancestral> I made a patch once
20100403 22:19:45< Unnheulu_> Really?
20100403 22:20:22< ancestral> Yeah for something pretty simple
20100403 22:20:44< Unnheulu_> Why not make another? :P
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20100403 22:21:08< ancestral> Well
20100403 22:21:23< ancestral> I haven't bothered getting comfortable with the Wesnoth code, and to a dgree, I find coding less fun
20100403 22:21:35< Unnheulu> :/
20100403 22:21:54< ancestral> Well
20100403 22:21:56< ancestral> It depends
20100403 22:22:14< Blueblaze> I might buy an iPad
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20100403 22:22:17< Blueblaze> looks cool
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20100403 22:22:34< Unnheulu> Blueblaze: What, an oversized iPod/undersized netbook?
20100403 22:22:45< Blueblaze> Actually it is larger than several netbooks
20100403 22:22:49< ancestral> The nice thing is absolutely no contracts
20100403 22:23:11< Unnheulu> ancestral: yay? Get an iPod? :P
20100403 22:23:23< Unnheulu> Blueblaze: I'm yet to here one advantage
20100403 22:23:29< Unnheulu> *hear
20100403 22:23:36< Unnheulu> Plus, including bulk, its smaller
20100403 22:23:38< Blueblaze> advantage versus what?
20100403 22:23:51< ancestral> http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=ipad+review
20100403 22:23:52< Unnheulu> just getting an iPod or a netbook
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20100403 22:24:04< Blueblaze> Unnheulu: a big touch screen
20100403 22:24:08< Blueblaze> that's something neither have
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20100403 22:24:19< Unnheulu> ancestral: most of them are either american (won't start), or got given to them from apple
20100403 22:24:24< ancestral> Unnheulu: http://ptech.allthingsd.com/20100331/apple-ipad-review/
20100403 22:24:38< ancestral> Unnheulu: The fact that they're American should not matter
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20100403 22:24:45< Unnheulu> Blueblaze: However in the UK we have some wonderful touch screen detachable netbooks, which got almost no reviews
20100403 22:24:46< Blueblaze> the iPad is the perfect web browsing device
20100403 22:24:52< ancestral> The reason is it hasn't been released in other countries yet
20100403 22:24:53< Unnheulu> Blueblaze: How do you know? :P
20100403 22:25:00< Blueblaze> Because I have an iPhone
20100403 22:25:24< Unnheulu> Blueblaze: And an iPad is clunkier than an iPhone
20100403 22:25:34< Blueblaze> Yes but for the sake of web browsing, the iPad is pretty awesome
20100403 22:25:36< Unnheulu> in the UK we don't fall so easily to marketing scandals :P
20100403 22:25:43< Blueblaze> yes you do
20100403 22:25:45< Blueblaze> see the Spice Girls
20100403 22:25:46< Blueblaze> :<
20100403 22:26:01< Unnheulu> Blueblaze: You know Coca Cola and Pepsi sell water?
20100403 22:26:09< Unnheulu> That's basically tap water with a brand on it
20100403 22:26:10< Blueblaze> yes they sell water here in America too
20100403 22:26:17< Unnheulu> I hear its very popular in America
20100403 22:26:27< Blueblaze> It is decently popular
20100403 22:26:28< Unnheulu> They had to *stop* selling it in the UK because no-one bought it
20100403 22:26:30< ancestral> Smart water is more popular I'd say
20100403 22:26:45< Unnheulu> Instead everyone buys spring water, ever heard of it?
20100403 22:26:52< ancestral> Sure
20100403 22:26:53< Blueblaze> Actual spring water though is more popular here
20100403 22:26:53< Unnheulu> Water that's *natural*
20100403 22:26:58< Blueblaze> wtf?
20100403 22:27:00< Blueblaze> all water is natural
20100403 22:27:06< Unnheulu> Which is usally from wales or the alps^^
20100403 22:27:06< ancestral> Spring water is more popular over there than America
20100403 22:27:20< Unnheulu> By natural I mean with no added stuff or cleansing
20100403 22:27:25< Blueblaze> uhh
20100403 22:27:32< Blueblaze> your water has added stuff and cleansed
20100403 22:27:33< Blueblaze> I promise you
20100403 22:27:36< Blueblaze> otherwise you'd probably be dead
20100403 22:27:37< ancestral> Yep
20100403 22:27:38< Unnheulu> Only tap water
20100403 22:27:38< Blueblaze> or deathly sick
20100403 22:27:45< ancestral> Tap water is filtered too
20100403 22:27:46< Unnheulu> Water from springs doesn't need to be
20100403 22:27:49< Unnheulu> ...
20100403 22:27:53< Blueblaze> Tap water and spring water is heavily filtered
20100403 22:27:54< Unnheulu> I said only the tap water is
20100403 22:27:56< ancestral> Often times they add in fluoride
20100403 22:27:57< Unnheulu> Spring water isn't
20100403 22:28:04< Blueblaze> yes it is
20100403 22:28:05< Unnheulu> ancestral: Only in Birmingham
20100403 22:28:06< ancestral> Bottled stuff sure is
20100403 22:28:10< Unnheulu> Blueblaze: In america is it
20100403 22:28:15< Blueblaze> Unless you drink it from a flowing spring, it is filtered 
20100403 22:28:20< Blueblaze> because it isn't very safe to drink spring water
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20100403 22:28:22< Unnheulu> but, in britain, we don't filter our Spring stuff :P
20100403 22:28:23< ancestral> I'm sure they're required by law to filter out arsenic and lead
20100403 22:28:26< Blueblaze> especially in Europe as all the rivers are highly polluted
20100403 22:28:31< Unnheulu> Depends where
20100403 22:28:37< Unnheulu> Where'd ya get that frmo?
20100403 22:28:43< Blueblaze> all pollution data?
20100403 22:28:47< Unnheulu> Not much pollution last time I checked in the river Taff
20100403 22:29:09< Unnheulu> Plus
20100403 22:29:19< Unnheulu> Spring water isn't from the rivers, its from springs :P
20100403 22:29:22< ancestral> My friend went to Budapest to study
20100403 22:29:24< Unnheulu> And if its filtered then its tap water
20100403 22:29:33< ancestral> She'd be in restaurants and stuff and ask for water
20100403 22:29:35< Unnheulu> Budapest != UK or Alps
20100403 22:29:39< ancestral> and they'd give her mineral/spring water
20100403 22:29:44< ancestral> And she'd be like, no, water please
20100403 22:29:49< ancestral> And they'd give her a strange look
20100403 22:29:53< Unnheulu> :-P
20100403 22:30:04< ancestral> The other major difference
20100403 22:30:11< elias> here tap water isn't filtered... and i wouldn't drink it without heating it first :P
20100403 22:30:14< ancestral> Is Americans have a fascination with ice
20100403 22:30:22< Blueblaze> elias: haha
20100403 22:30:31< ancestral> elias: The best way to purify water is to boil it and cool it :)
20100403 22:30:42< Unnheulu> elias: Deliberately not filtered?
20100403 22:30:50< ancestral> Ice is served in pretty much every drink
20100403 22:31:05< ancestral> Which I hear outside of North America usually isn't the case
20100403 22:31:22< Unnheulu> Nope
20100403 22:31:28< Blueblaze> Unnheulu: wtf?
20100403 22:31:31< Unnheulu> You have to ask for it where I am :P
20100403 22:31:36< Blueblaze> you live in Europe and don'tknow that Budapest is in the ring of the Alps?
20100403 22:31:37< Blueblaze> :<
20100403 22:31:41< Unnheulu> blargh
20100403 22:31:47< Unnheulu> I'm not in mainland
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20100403 22:31:53< elias> Unnheulu: yes, it's just a well in the middle of the village where it's pumped from
20100403 22:32:01< Unnheulu> Ah
20100403 22:32:12< Unnheulu> My friend (in france, he moved there) has to use a well to :/
20100403 22:32:25 * Unnheulu wonders what using a well is like^^
20100403 22:32:40< ancestral> Unnheulu: Never been on a farm?
20100403 22:33:05< Unnheulu> ancestral: yes I have, but...it had water...amazing!
20100403 22:33:06< Blueblaze> I think all that water is making Europeans sterile
20100403 22:33:50< Unnheulu> Anyways, your point about polluted rivers
20100403 22:33:58< Unnheulu> is this river polluted to you? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Taff
20100403 22:34:30< ancestral> Unnheulu: I've been to Wales before :)
20100403 22:34:38< Unnheulu> ancestral: Really?
20100403 22:34:51< Unnheulu> Did you try speaking any welsh? :P
20100403 22:35:01< ancestral> Dwyi'n dysgu Cymraeg?
20100403 22:35:12< Blueblaze> Unnheulu: actually yes
20100403 22:35:13< Blueblaze> http://www.mtaa.co.uk/?page_id=35
20100403 22:35:32< ancestral> My Dad is big into Welsh heritage
20100403 22:35:44< ancestral> I'm maybe ⅛ or 1/16 Welsh
20100403 22:35:47< Unnheulu> Cwl
20100403 22:35:55< Unnheulu> I'm...hang on
20100403 22:35:56< Unnheulu> erm
20100403 22:36:01< Unnheulu> 31/32's welsh
20100403 22:36:11< ancestral> I've been to these before: http://www.welshheritageweek.org/
20100403 22:36:18< Unnheulu> rest is made up of french irish and scottish
20100403 22:36:23< Blueblaze> Unnheulu: The Taff River has a nice long history of river pollution
20100403 22:36:26< ancestral> Language camps and hymn sing gatherings… my dad would take me
20100403 22:36:32< Blueblaze> Ironically it's in the fine print
20100403 22:36:37< Unnheulu> Blueblaze: Blaargh
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20100403 22:37:21< Unnheulu> ancestral: Guess what saesneg means (literally) :P
20100403 22:37:32< ancestral> Yeah I don't know
20100403 22:37:35< ancestral> No clue
20100403 22:37:40< ancestral> I don't know much Welsh
20100403 22:37:51< Unnheulu> Saxon Tongue ;)
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20100403 22:37:55< Unnheulu> Guess what language it is?
20100403 22:37:57< Blueblaze> aka English
20100403 22:38:02< Unnheulu> shutup Blueblaze"
20100403 22:38:04< Unnheulu> *!
20100403 22:38:20< ancestral> Dunno, if it's not Welsh, maybe Cornish
20100403 22:38:26< ancestral> The two languages are similar
20100403 22:39:00< Unnheulu> Nonono, I meant what language is saesneg :P
20100403 22:39:03< Unnheulu> Anyhow
20100403 22:39:16< Blueblaze> English language
20100403 22:39:24< Unnheulu> Welsh, Cornish, Breton and Cumbrian (Cornish and Cumbrian are no longer spoken) are all similar
20100403 22:39:37< ancestral> This is true
20100403 22:39:42< Blueblaze> Cornish has a handful of speakers left
20100403 22:39:45< Unnheulu> They all come from the Britannic language sub group
20100403 22:39:52< Unnheulu> Blueblaze: It completely died out
20100403 22:39:57< ancestral> No it hasn't, actually
20100403 22:40:01< Unnheulu> Then people studying texts started to relearn it
20100403 22:40:05< ancestral> There's a St. Piran's society in town where I live
20100403 22:40:07< Unnheulu> it now has ~300fluent speakers
20100403 22:40:07< ancestral> IN AMERICA
20100403 22:40:12< Blueblaze> 2000*
20100403 22:40:30< Unnheulu> ancestral: it died out, and people relearnt it a few decades later
20100403 22:40:48< ancestral> Yes, there's been a movement to continue the language and the culture
20100403 22:40:55< ancestral> Which is good for them :)
20100403 22:41:16< Unnheulu> ancestral: If I look across the Bristol Estuary, then I see the county next to Cornwall :)
20100403 22:41:24< ancestral> Cool
20100403 22:42:05< Blueblaze> that estuary is polluted too
20100403 22:42:07< Unnheulu> I made brythonic not britannic :/
20100403 22:42:11< Unnheulu> Blueblaze: tell me about it
20100403 22:42:21< Unnheulu> Until recently they just dumped the sewage into it
20100403 22:42:29< Unnheulu> (the pipes are still there, just hanging)
20100403 22:42:52< ancestral> Unnheulu: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=415913&sid=25ebad665deccac497e913b182aba215#p415913
20100403 22:43:26< Unnheulu> Every St. Davids day schools in Wales have an "Eisteddfodd"
20100403 22:43:40< ancestral> Yes, Eisteddfod
20100403 22:43:49< ancestral> Last letter is one d not dd
20100403 22:44:06< Unnheulu> Depends on whether there is a mutation from the next word
20100403 22:44:09< ancestral> It's like a competitive talent show 
20100403 22:44:12< ancestral> No
20100403 22:44:24< Unnheulu> Competitive talent show? Not really
20100403 22:44:26< ancestral> Eisteddfod and Eisteddfodau
20100403 22:44:30< Blueblaze> eisteddfodau
20100403 22:44:30< Unnheulu> More like an arts show
20100403 22:44:38< ancestral> How would you describe it?
20100403 22:44:39< ancestral> Well
20100403 22:44:42< ancestral> They crown a winner though
20100403 22:44:44< Blueblaze> Any of several annual festivals in which Welsh poets, dancers, and musicians compete for recognition.
20100403 22:44:45< ancestral> Usually
20100403 22:44:47< Unnheulu> You can do anything in any language other than english
20100403 22:44:51< Unnheulu> ancestral: only the poetry
20100403 22:44:55< ancestral> Blueblaze: Thank you, Mr. Wikipedia
20100403 22:45:15< ancestral> You mean the bard's chair
20100403 22:45:24< Unnheulu> The welsh rock band gorky's zygotic mynci thought that was crazy (no english rule), so they translated a welsh song into french and sang it in french
20100403 22:45:35< Unnheulu> The bard is for the poets
20100403 22:45:42 * Unnheulu was the bard in primary school^^
20100403 22:46:09< Unnheulu> What's St. Georges day?...
20100403 22:46:50< ancestral> Unnheulu: Have you been following the six nations Rugby tournament?
20100403 22:47:18< Unnheulu> ancestral: no, due to (imo) racism
20100403 22:47:25< ancestral> Huh?
20100403 22:47:35< Unnheulu> You can watch it in 3D, but, *only* in the English pubs
20100403 22:47:46< ancestral> 3D is stupid
20100403 22:47:50< ancestral> Not really 3D
20100403 22:47:50< Unnheulu> The 3D company refused to give free 3D tele's in any other pub
20100403 22:47:56< ancestral> It's just a gimmick
20100403 22:48:01< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: could you see my PM?
20100403 22:48:05< Unnheulu> still, if the 3D company refuses to sell 3D screens anywhere else
20100403 22:48:11< Unnheulu> shadowmaster, no
20100403 22:48:21< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: um, why not?
20100403 22:48:25< Unnheulu> I assume it was a warning for my thread
20100403 22:48:29< shadowmaster> no
20100403 22:48:37< Unnheulu> Oh wait
20100403 22:48:41< Unnheulu> yeh I can :/
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20100403 22:50:36< ancestral> I'm not sure how that fits into the definition of racism, but I sense that you're unhappy with the politics in that
20100403 22:53:17< Unnheulu> The fact they're only willing to give free stuff to the english perhaps?
20100403 22:53:28< Unnheulu> Who don't even rightfully belong in britain?
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20100403 22:53:40< shadowmaster> I need to fetch the sources and upgrade I guess
20100403 22:53:50< shadowmaster> wrong channel
20100403 22:53:54< Unnheulu> :P
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20100403 23:00:37< Gambit> Nah I totally got that.
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