--- Log opened Sun Apr 04 00:00:21 2010
20100404 00:00:28 * Unnheulu hates the wesnoth compiler
20100404 00:00:40< Unnheulu> I swear it makes up bugs to annoy me
20100404 00:00:59< Unnheulu> Unless the ai infected the code o.O
20100404 00:01:04< Blarumyrran> Isn't compiling anything made by people other than yourself always a nightmare
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20100404 00:01:58< Unnheulu> Isn't compiling anything you tried to add to something others have done that you don't even understand totallyveven worse? ;-P
20100404 00:03:11< Blarumyrran> Why would you try to add something to something you don't understand
20100404 00:04:20< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: there's no such a thing like a wesnoth compiler
20100404 00:04:38< shadowmaster> be more specific.
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20100404 00:17:37< shadowmaster> that's not specific, dammit
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20100404 01:57:32< hagabaka> hmm
20100404 01:58:11< hagabaka> it would be nice if the background music would not be interrupted by closing a dialog in the main screen
20100404 01:59:08< hagabaka> opening a dialog such as Addons - Update Addons doesn't interrupt it, but when the update is done, it suddenly starts a different track
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20100404 02:17:30< ancestral> hagabaka: Agreed
20100404 02:18:54< hagabaka> I reported at https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?15780
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20100404 02:24:51< hagabaka> what is a campaign with short scenarios, especially the final ones, and good story? I often stop at the last scenarios of campaigns because I have a huge recall list, and the enemies have huge starting gold too
20100404 02:25:25< Blarumyrran> Liberty
20100404 02:26:31< hagabaka> I think I've played a little of it, but thieves and bandits were boring for me
20100404 02:27:53< hagabaka> I like diversity in the unit list, but I guess that usually comes with big campaigns and scenarios
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20100404 03:02:32< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20100404 03:38:59< PeterPorty> ;)
20100404 03:39:08< PeterPorty> 8)
20100404 03:39:17< PeterPorty> how r u guys?
20100404 03:48:12< PeterPorty> o...k
20100404 03:50:04< VurtualRuler98> I'm playing df.
20100404 03:50:07< VurtualRuler98> What did you expect?
20100404 03:50:21< hagabaka> hmm, Written in Blood, "a campaign with almost no recruiting"
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20100404 04:00:36< shadowmaster> bleh
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20100404 04:05:55< Gambit> shadowmaster: how's the internet?
20100404 04:06:40< shadowmaster> bad as always
20100404 04:06:58< PeterPorty> Internet is good, not bad...
20100404 04:07:44< shadowmaster> I meant the connection
20100404 04:07:52< PeterPorty> oh....
20100404 04:07:58< shadowmaster> also, your mileage may very regarding the Internet itself
20100404 04:08:01< shadowmaster> *vary
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20100404 04:08:25< shadowmaster> let's take a look, for example, at Anonymous' home.
20100404 04:08:28< PeterPorty> my connection is either perfect or really crappy
20100404 04:08:29< shadowmaster> (not)
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20100404 04:08:40< PeterPorty> -.-
20100404 04:10:36< Gambit> shadowmaster: You should become your own ISP.
20100404 04:10:49< shadowmaster> that's impossible.
20100404 04:11:08< Gambit> Odd.
20100404 04:11:12< Gambit> There's a lot of them out there.
20100404 04:11:18< shadowmaster> I mean, I cannot buy a fucking DESKTOP box, how do you expect me to be able to finance a whole network?
20100404 04:11:18< Gambit> Is it something you have to be born into?
20100404 04:11:47< PeterPorty> OMG! this is only a 30 day trial!
20100404 04:12:01< Gambit> They already told you that in the so called "april fools thread"
20100404 04:12:02< shadowmaster> maybe the Networks were sold for a cheap price at the end of the 80s
20100404 04:12:04< Gambit> one month free
20100404 04:12:07< Gambit> and then premium.
20100404 04:12:18< PeterPorty> no, I mean XChat
20100404 04:12:30< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: use the silverex version
20100404 04:12:51< PeterPorty> ok...as soon as i google it and say i did understand what i read
20100404 04:12:58< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: http://www.silverex.org/download/
20100404 04:13:07< shadowmaster> because I'm such a nice guy.
20100404 04:13:11< PeterPorty> thx man
20100404 04:13:15< PeterPorty> u r awesome
20100404 04:13:19< Gambit> Just off the top of his head too!
20100404 04:13:51< Gambit> Dayum shadowmaster you didn't just lock that thread, you blackholed it.
20100404 04:14:18< shadowmaster> and the first word is supposed to be what?
20100404 04:14:28< Gambit> Ghetto :o
20100404 04:14:54 * shadowmaster smites Gambit some more
20100404 04:15:06< shadowmaster> *thunderstorm*
20100404 04:15:18< Gambit> http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/9/12/633883850404771445-gangstapants.jpg
20100404 04:18:34< Zarel> shadowmaster: LOL
20100404 04:18:50< Zarel> The other "worship shadowmaster" thread was apparently deleted outright.
20100404 04:19:45< shadowmaster> Zarel: lol your face.
20100404 04:20:03< Zarel> Why not close it like the others?
20100404 04:20:06< Gambit> Yo mamma
20100404 04:20:12< shadowmaster> because I was fed up with it
20100404 04:20:32< shadowmaster> actually, I locked it
20100404 04:20:40< PeterPorty> O.o
20100404 04:21:03< Zarel> Hmm, so someone else deleted it?
20100404 04:21:07< Gambit> Yo mamma's so dumb she went to bangcok to get a TIE fighter!
20100404 04:21:26< shadowmaster> Zarel: http://imagebin.org/91532
20100404 04:21:26< Gambit> That's no moon.
20100404 04:21:30< PeterPorty> well guys... my moms bugging me to go to sleep (don't get why, its not late yet), anyway, yes, it sucks to be a teenager haha...cool....bye guys
20100404 04:21:30< Gambit> That's yo mamma!
20100404 04:21:44< shadowmaster> bye PeterPorty 
20100404 04:21:49< Gambit> So there you have it.
20100404 04:21:52< Gambit> He locked it first.
20100404 04:22:04< Zarel> Heh.
20100404 04:22:10< PeterPorty> hey shadow, tomorrow is the hour change right?
20100404 04:22:15< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: yeah
20100404 04:22:24< shadowmaster> in 38 minutes, actually
20100404 04:22:35< PeterPorty> thx
20100404 04:22:37< Zarel> "hour change"?
20100404 04:22:43< shadowmaster> Zarel: end of DST for Chile
20100404 04:22:44< Zarel> You're not talking about DST.
20100404 04:22:47< shadowmaster> special change after the earthquake
20100404 04:22:51< PeterPorty> yeah... our country is stupid
20100404 04:22:55< Gambit> PeterPorty: Saddle up
20100404 04:22:55< Zarel> Oh, I see.
20100404 04:23:10< PeterPorty> ;) well, bye guys, sleep well
20100404 04:23:19< Gambit> It's daylight saving time.
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20100404 04:23:34< shadowmaster> not in my watch
20100404 04:23:52< Zarel> shadowmaster: I can't help but think ignoring the thread may have been the better option.
20100404 04:24:20< Gambit> Xer had it coming. He spoke shadowmaster's true name.
20100404 04:24:23< Zarel> Meh, probably shouldn't be doing too much "backseat moderating". Nevermind what I just said.
20100404 04:24:27< Gambit> Blarumyrran and I told him.
20100404 04:24:30< Gambit> Told him twice.
20100404 04:24:48< shadowmaster> Zarel: okay, Mr. Moderator Wannabe, these are the *Wesnoth* off topic forums
20100404 04:24:58< shadowmaster> not the "appreciate shadowmaster" forums
20100404 04:25:15< Gambit> Hey I wanna be Mr. Moderator Wannabe.
20100404 04:25:17< VurtualRuler98> brb starting appreciate shadowaster forum
20100404 04:25:22< shadowmaster> Gambit: over my dead corpse
20100404 04:25:36< Gambit> Isn't that a bit redundant?
20100404 04:25:38< Zarel> Hey, I don't want to talk about your decisions solely behind your back, either.
20100404 04:25:42< Gambit> Like Badger mammal.
20100404 04:25:45< shadowmaster> Gambit: just like you :)
20100404 04:25:56< Gambit> I would be a great moderator.
20100404 04:26:00< shadowmaster> no
20100404 04:26:05< Gambit> I have over a half decade of experience in forum moderation.
20100404 04:26:12< shadowmaster> no, please, no.
20100404 04:26:26< Gambit> I was chosen to moderate, and then administor the forum for my highschool.
20100404 04:26:35 * Zarel shrugs.
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20100404 04:27:02< Gambit> Granted it's a student run forum, but I was still chosen.
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20100404 04:27:11< Zarel> Gambit: How big was it? How much moderation was required?
20100404 04:27:17< VurtualRuler98> I'd be a great moderator and probably result in an intense amount of work being done, but I hate administrating people and take out my forced administrative positions out on dwarves named after my users.
20100404 04:27:22< Gambit> Not much actually after the first month.
20100404 04:27:27< shadowmaster> Gambit: you'd quickly turn the Wesnoth forums into a wasteland talking only about WML and off-topic tihngs
20100404 04:27:36< Zarel> How successful was your moderation?
20100404 04:27:39< shadowmaster> including completely useless and uninteresting applications of WML
20100404 04:27:42< Gambit> Kids are extremely well behaved when they're not being forced to.
20100404 04:28:11< Gambit> At least these were.
20100404 04:28:17< Zarel> Gambit: It's also that they're better behaved when interacting with people who can punch them.
20100404 04:28:36< Gambit> Sometimes you take that style and you get 4chan :\
20100404 04:28:40< VurtualRuler98> Generally the friendly, disinterested, reclusive "Cause enough trouble and I'll swing a sledgehammer through your inferior ribcage, meatbag" approach works best.
20100404 04:28:47< Zarel> Hey, 4chan is a great website!
20100404 04:28:52< Zarel> :P
20100404 04:28:53< Gambit> I think it's because there were passworded forums seperated by grade.
20100404 04:29:00< Gambit> And then a bunch of melting pot forums.
20100404 04:29:14< Zarel> I mean, I wouldn't apply their philosophies to my own forums, but it's certainly good at what it does.
20100404 04:29:30< Gambit> What it does is outdo Mos Eisly.
20100404 04:29:33< shadowmaster> uh.
20100404 04:29:37< Gambit> [insert star wars quote]
20100404 04:29:44< Gambit> Never will you find a more wretched etc etc.
20100404 04:30:15< Gambit> shadowmaster: I would not do that.
20100404 04:30:25< shadowmaster> you wouldn't do what?
20100404 04:30:31< Zarel> How much moderation you do to a forum really depends on how well-behaved your users are, what you want your forums to be like, and how much control you want to have.
20100404 04:30:33< shadowmaster> ah, the wasteland thing, etc.
20100404 04:30:34< Gambit> quickly turn the Wesnoth forums into a wasteland talking only about WML and off-topic tihngs
20100404 04:30:47< shadowmaster> Gambit: are you sure? You seem to be obsessed with WML? :)
20100404 04:31:01< VurtualRuler98> Never will you find a more wretched hive of scum, villany, and cat pictures.
20100404 04:31:06< Gambit> It's a good language!
20100404 04:31:06< VurtualRuler98> And freedom.
20100404 04:31:09< shadowmaster> *sigh* here I go, for the second cup of coffee today.
20100404 04:31:15< shadowmaster> my stomach will want to kill me for this.
20100404 04:31:21< VurtualRuler98> ...just two?
20100404 04:31:24< Gambit> And I keep the WML discussion inside applicable forums.
20100404 04:31:27< Zarel> Personally, I think unless there's flaming or similar, there's really no need to regulate Off Topic.
20100404 04:31:30< VurtualRuler98> Oh come on, I used to drink 144oz of mountain dew in an hour.
20100404 04:31:38< Gambit> Caffine is bad.
20100404 04:31:47< Gambit> Winds you up, then kills you.
20100404 04:31:49< VurtualRuler98> Caffeine hasn't caused me no trouble.
20100404 04:31:55< Gambit> And if you try to get off the stuff, you get headaches.
20100404 04:31:57< shadowmaster> VurtualRuler98: once upon a time, I drank up to *10* cups every day
20100404 04:32:03< Gambit> Anything that causes withdrawel is bad.
20100404 04:32:07< shadowmaster> that didn't turn out well
20100404 04:32:11< VurtualRuler98> That's still less than my mountain dew in an hour thing.
20100404 04:32:26< shadowmaster> I was unable to drink coffee for a long while afterwards
20100404 04:32:29< VurtualRuler98> Gambit, you know that suddenly not eating any food you like can cause withdrawl, right?
20100404 04:32:42< VurtualRuler98> And unless you get similar-enough nutrients that balance, kill you?
20100404 04:33:06< Gambit> Okay anything nonessential to living that causes withdrawal?
20100404 04:33:19< VurtualRuler98> anything essential can
20100404 04:33:35< VurtualRuler98> Well, eating a bunch of proteiny meat and such, then not eating proteiny meat at all will screw you up.
20100404 04:33:43< Gambit> Anywho we're getting off topic. This is about shadowmaster giving me a shot to moderate the forums :P
20100404 04:33:46< Gambit> lol!
20100404 04:34:03< shadowmaster> you'd go mad from the revelation anyway
20100404 04:34:03< VurtualRuler98> Caffeine is one of the things I have drank/ate, then stopped due to random reasons, and not had any problems from.
20100404 04:34:14< Gambit> You said that once before about the private forums.
20100404 04:34:23< shadowmaster> Gambit: moderators have access to one of them
20100404 04:34:38< Gambit> Yeah I know how that works. It's like an onion.
20100404 04:34:41< Gambit> Or an ogre.
20100404 04:34:48< shadowmaster> only I have access to the second forum. And it's not pretty.
20100404 04:35:05< VurtualRuler98> So if it's only you, you just called yourself ugly?
20100404 04:35:15< Gambit> No he called himself not pretty.
20100404 04:35:16< shadowmaster> the forum, not me
20100404 04:35:18< Gambit> He could just be average.
20100404 04:35:27< shadowmaster> and I'm ugly anyway, so yeah.
20100404 04:36:05< shadowmaster> I'd better drop this connection before Gambit starts looking for pictures of (not) me in the Internet.
20100404 04:36:17< Gambit> It has happened.
20100404 04:36:23< Gambit> And that's all I've got to say about that.
20100404 04:36:27< VurtualRuler98> I already know what everyone here looks like anyways.
20100404 04:36:39< Gambit> And I found them btw.
20100404 04:36:39< VurtualRuler98> Reading you miiinds, and put some pants on.
20100404 04:38:21< Gambit> shadowmaster: Are there any of you on the internet?
20100404 04:38:37< Gambit> 33,400 hits on google.
20100404 04:39:01< Gambit> But none are you after page 5
20100404 04:39:41< Gambit> shadowmaster: One month!
20100404 04:40:03< Gambit> What could I possibly break in a month? :P
20100404 04:40:21< Gambit> :( he actually left.
20100404 04:40:42< VurtualRuler98> a few bones
20100404 04:42:00< Zarel> Heh.
20100404 04:42:37< Zarel> Gambit: But seriously.
20100404 04:42:49< Zarel> Don't you think Off-Topic could be controlled a lot less?
20100404 04:42:49< Gambit> What?
20100404 04:43:01< Gambit> Honestly I think the second thread was overduing it.
20100404 04:43:11< Gambit> The joke was old by the time I made my thread.
20100404 04:43:19< Zarel> I can see locking a topic because it's degenerating into flamewarring.
20100404 04:43:35< Zarel> But otherwise, I do think it'd be better to just ignore a thread if you don't like it.
20100404 04:43:39< Gambit> Also he clearly wanted it ended.
20100404 04:43:53< VurtualRuler98> I should invent flamewar fighting foam.
20100404 04:44:03< Gambit> When it's a discussion over a member, and the member wants it dropped...
20100404 04:44:08< VurtualRuler98> Which, every continuing post marked as flamewar, builds up more on each post, until the posts are unreadable.
20100404 04:44:28< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: Flamewar repellent?
20100404 04:44:58< Gambit> Zarel: Ordinarily yeah.
20100404 04:45:15< Gambit> But in that case it's like someone won't stop talking about you and you've directly asked them to stop.
20100404 04:45:21< Gambit> I mean you could keep talking behind their back.
20100404 04:45:25< Gambit> While they're at school...
20100404 04:45:26< Gambit> lol
20100404 04:45:34< Gambit> But that'd be rude.
20100404 04:45:50< Gambit> Basically I guess what I'm trying to say is that that one was personal.
20100404 04:46:29< Gambit> The last topic to get locked in OT had a lot of swearing with no real meat in the arguments.
20100404 04:46:49< Gambit> Or rather a bit of swearing and some anger.
20100404 04:47:26< Zarel> Hmm, I guess I can see that.
20100404 04:47:42< Gambit> Some are pure retardery (see Lord of Wesnoverse, Ecoins, etc).
20100404 04:48:50< Zarel> "Pure retardery" is just stuff you ignore and let die.
20100404 04:50:14< Gambit> Odd. Google doesn't recognize retardery as a word. :\
20100404 04:50:53< Gambit> Well Lord of Wesnoverse maybe.
20100404 04:50:58< Gambit> Ecoins definitly needed closed up.
20100404 04:51:36< Gambit> Trading virtual money for things. And each person is responsible for keeping track of their own money?
20100404 04:52:01< VurtualRuler98> hey guys did I tell you? I got 9999 money
20100404 04:52:16< Gambit> That just isn't something you want going on on your forum. Unless your forum is dedicated to that.
20100404 04:52:24< Gambit> How long before someone cheats, and people expect the mods to clean it up?
20100404 04:52:43< VurtualRuler98> 3... 2... 1...
20100404 04:52:47< Zarel> Gambit: The beauty of it is, that doesn't matter, since everyone will ignore it, and it will die anyway.
20100404 04:53:10< Gambit> I think you overestimate people.
20100404 04:53:28< Gambit> In a few more hours there would have been at least 5 members to that little club.
20100404 04:53:45< Zarel> The only way that system would actually work would be if it actually made sense. Fortunately, it doesn't.
20100404 04:53:59< Gambit> Also the person who set it up arbitrarily started himself at 19.
20100404 04:54:03< Gambit> IIRC.
20100404 04:54:05< shadowmaster> HI, SHADOWMASTER HERE!
20100404 04:54:11< shadowmaster> waiting for the end of DST to come
20100404 04:54:14< Gambit> Hi!
20100404 04:54:18< Gambit> shadowmaster: One month!?
20100404 04:54:24< shadowmaster> no, 6 minutes
20100404 04:54:38< Gambit> Okay. And if I haven't fucked up the forums by then.
20100404 04:54:43< Gambit> You'll let me keep it.
20100404 04:54:46< Gambit> Otherwise you ban me :P
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20100404 04:55:13< shadowmaster> Gambit: the only shadowmaster who is me is the shadowmaster at http://shadowm.rewound.net/, who claims to be me
20100404 04:55:18< shadowmaster> and shadowm_laptop, who also claims to be me.
20100404 04:55:41< Zarel> Dude, Gambit, you troll too much to be a mod. :P 
20100404 04:55:46< shadowmaster> I so want to have a picture demonstrating how retarded this whole DST idea is.
20100404 04:55:59< Gambit> Assuming that is in regards to my google searching, does that mean there are other Ignacio R Marolle's out there involved in wesnoth?
20100404 04:56:07< shadowmaster> in 5 minutes, I'll demonstrate the confusion that can ensue for IRC users who are under the post-DST effect
20100404 04:56:18< Gambit> *Morelle
20100404 04:56:19< shadowmaster> Gambit: no, your logic is broken beyond repair
20100404 04:56:36< shadowmaster> I mean that there's only one me involved in wesnoth.
20100404 04:56:57< shadowmaster> there are plenty of idiots who call themselves "shadowmaster" (including the guy whose nick I stole and am using now) but they are not me
20100404 04:56:59< Gambit> Well do you think I would go searching for pictures of "shadowmaster" and expect to find you? :\
20100404 04:57:12< shadowmaster> er, do I?
20100404 04:57:20 * Gambit is offended.
20100404 04:57:36< shadowmaster> Gambit: well, try ShikadiLord? :p
20100404 04:58:06< Gambit> Okay theologins hear me out, is it blasphemy for God to pronounce his real name?
20100404 04:58:07< shadowmaster> *thunder* *rumble*
20100404 04:58:23< Zarel> shadowmaster: Why'd you choose that name, anyway?
20100404 04:58:27< shadowmaster> Gambit: if I was a god, I'd say no.
20100404 04:58:32< shadowmaster> Zarel: which one?
20100404 04:58:47< Gambit> shikadilord
20100404 04:58:51< Zarel> "shadowmaster" <- that one
20100404 04:58:54< Gambit> oh
20100404 04:59:01< shadowmaster> Zarel: ahhh...long story.
20100404 04:59:09 * Zarel has time
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20100404 04:59:11< shadowmaster> well, first, there was "shadowm"
20100404 04:59:17< Gambit> It's slightly less nooby than G0D0F0WNAGE
20100404 04:59:26< Gambit> But not much.
20100404 04:59:32< shadowmaster> that was going to be my Internet name, but then I screwed up and confused my Internet name with one of my ideas for a game of my own
20100404 04:59:40< shadowmaster> the result? "Shadow Master"
20100404 04:59:59< shadowmaster> well.
20100404 05:00:02< shadowmaster> crap.
20100404 05:00:06< Gambit> Zarel: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/victories.html
20100404 05:00:25< shadowmaster> it was 23:59:59 some seconds ago...
20100404 05:00:34< shadowmaster> why is it 23:00 now?! you-
20100404 05:00:46< Gambit> Wait... you fell back?
20100404 05:00:52< Gambit> It's spring.
20100404 05:01:07< shadowmaster> it's the end of DST
20100404 05:01:13< shadowmaster> and it's autumn in the Southern Hemisphere, you fool
20100404 05:01:34< Gambit> Hmmm I thought the seasons changed from east to west.
20100404 05:01:43< shadowmaster> no. Who taught you geography?
20100404 05:01:47 * Gambit did not know they varied north/south.
20100404 05:02:03< Gambit> I guess so though since the earth tilts...
20100404 05:02:19< Gambit> Sometimes we'll be closer, sometimes you will.
20100404 05:02:42< Gambit> You remember something new every day.
20100404 05:03:01< Gambit> Unless your amnesia is *really* bad.
20100404 05:03:11< shadowmaster> Zarel: the thing is, it was a bad idea
20100404 05:03:19< shadowmaster> I should've sticked to "shadowm"
20100404 05:03:38< Zarel> Gambit: It's impossible for seasons to vary east/west.
20100404 05:03:46< shadowmaster> hell, even my email account, wesnoth.org user name and user names on every one of my machines say "shadowm"
20100404 05:04:02< Gambit> Zarel: Well I realize that now...
20100404 05:04:12< Zarel> I mean, the earth rotates east/west, so east and west are identical in terms of seasons.
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20100404 05:04:55< Zarel> shadowmaster: Don't like "shadowmaster" now? Why? Seem too cheesy?
20100404 05:05:12< shadowmaster> yeah
20100404 05:05:15< Zarel> My username is still "shadowstriker9" in some places. :P
20100404 05:05:30< shadowmaster> but I already made that mistake and became a wesnoth developer before changing my mind
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20100404 05:05:34< Zarel> Well, actually, only RuneScape and MSN, at this point.
20100404 05:08:44< Zarel> So where'd "shadowm" come from?
20100404 05:08:58< shadowmaster> the M meant absolutely nothing
20100404 05:09:13< Zarel> I use "zarelsl" in a few places, where "Zarel" is taken. I should really just pick a pronounceable name that's available in more places.
20100404 05:09:17< shadowmaster> it is the first letter of my mother's family name, though. Coicidence?
20100404 05:11:00< shadowmaster> y'know, I could actually s/shadowmaster/shadowm/g all over my website  and not much would change... except that the "master" part still sounds kinda cool.
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20100404 05:11:20< shadowmaster> and relates to this fictional character which was recycled into IftU
20100404 05:11:42< Zarel> Heh.
20100404 05:11:51< shadowmaster> s/recycled/recycled, mangled and reconstructed/
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20100404 06:18:21< BlackPlains> sorry what's the help channel for wesnoth? I couldn't find a list of channels, I just remembered this one.
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20100404 06:24:59< ancestral> As good as it gets :)
20100404 06:25:10< ancestral> What's up, BlackPlains?
20100404 06:25:22< BlackPlains> Ok I just really need someone to help me out with the downloading of 1.8.  Been a while since I dl'd a wesnoth game.
20100404 06:25:33< BlackPlains> as I recall I downloaded it... then saved it to a specific folder or something
20100404 06:25:42< ancestral> Hmm
20100404 06:25:45< BlackPlains> there was this insanely complex process that I now forget
20100404 06:25:50< ancestral> What operating system do you have?
20100404 06:25:56< BlackPlains> XP
20100404 06:26:02< ancestral> Shouldn't be too bad
20100404 06:26:14< ancestral> Did it specify a location to save it to?
20100404 06:26:14< BlackPlains> it's not insanely complex, I lied.  But I forget what to do.
20100404 06:26:19< BlackPlains> No...
20100404 06:26:25< ancestral> Does your browser have a downloads list
20100404 06:26:29< BlackPlains> yes
20100404 06:26:42< ancestral> Can you double-click on the item in the list to open it?
20100404 06:26:48< BlackPlains> yea that's my problem
20100404 06:26:54< BlackPlains> it says "What do you wish to open with?"
20100404 06:27:01< BlackPlains> and gives me a mozilla firefox as an option
20100404 06:27:02< ancestral> What is it?
20100404 06:27:05< ancestral> .zip?
20100404 06:27:18< ancestral> What is the file extension?
20100404 06:27:23< BlackPlains> .tar.bz2
20100404 06:27:29< ancestral> Aha hmm
20100404 06:27:54< ancestral> Sounds like you may have downloaded the source code
20100404 06:28:04< ancestral> Are you planning on building it or just playing Wesnoth?
20100404 06:28:14< BlackPlains> ... I feel dumb now
20100404 06:28:23< BlackPlains> just playing
20100404 06:28:27< ancestral> Nah, I've done it before :)
20100404 06:28:33< BlackPlains> I realize that what I downloaded was under source code
20100404 06:28:35< ancestral> Yeah you'll want the other link :)
20100404 06:29:00< BlackPlains> thank you sir :D
20100404 06:29:07< ancestral> Hey, you're welcome
20100404 06:29:14< BlackPlains> I just want to be held in the sweet embrace of wesnoth once again.
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20100404 08:24:50< ancestral> Alright, updated Ascension
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20100404 08:54:20< ghyr-easeus> Hi
20100404 08:57:41< ancestral> Alright, updated Ascension again. Inadvertently left out the common-ascension era and forgot that some drakes got renamed in 1.8.
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20100404 09:06:28< ghyr-easeus> Got 1 question
20100404 09:06:40< ghyr-easeus> What will be implemented in 1.9.0?
20100404 09:06:55< ancestral> The sky's the limit!
20100404 09:07:07< ancestral> A more important question, actually, is
20100404 09:07:23< ancestral> ghyr-easeus: What would you like to be implemented in 1.9.0?
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20100404 09:08:37< ghyr-easeus> I want too many to list there
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20100404 10:50:22< zenhoobb-it>  what is the folder when wesnoth store userdata,preferences,etc in windows 7?
20100404 10:51:36< Ivanovic> moin
20100404 10:51:53< Ivanovic> zenhoobb-it: depends on how you start wesnoth
20100404 10:51:57< ancestral> zenhoobb-it: in one of two places
20100404 10:52:52< ancestral> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/EditingWesnoth#Windows
20100404 10:53:13< ancestral> Oops actually http://wiki.wesnoth.org/EditingWesnoth#Windows_2
20100404 11:01:32< ghyr-easeus> aha *whispering: behold is the main developer*
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20100404 11:27:19< zenhoobb-it> thank you
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20100404 12:37:51< xinming> Is it possible to see all info for all units?
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20100404 13:44:46< Gambit> Good morning. At least I think it will be. It's Easter and all.
20100404 13:45:00< Gambit> Or at least it is if you celebrate it.
20100404 13:45:35< Blarumyrran> I thought yesterday was
20100404 13:46:06< Gambit> http://xkcd.com/679/
20100404 13:46:15< Gambit> No yesterday was Saturday.
20100404 13:46:20< Gambit> Easter is always a Sunday.
20100404 13:46:41< Gambit> At least in my timezone today is Sunday.
20100404 13:46:58< Blarumyrran> Is easter sometimes on the same day as 1. april
20100404 13:47:02< Blarumyrran> It would be funny
20100404 13:47:13< Gambit> I don't think there are any timezones where today is Monday...
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20100404 13:47:14< Blarumyrran> Making jokes about nailin' Jesus
20100404 13:49:26< Gambit> 2018
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20100404 15:01:41< xinming> How do I see all units in help please?
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20100404 15:06:03< Gambit> There should be a command.
20100404 15:06:08< Gambit> Actually listed in the help.
20100404 15:07:55< Gambit> Sadly all the keywords that would help you forum search this are blocked for being too common.
20100404 15:09:35< Gambit> Speaking of which, shadowmaster: Is that like a dictionary, or it actually knows which words are common? If I started putting peanut butter in to every single one of my posts, and got half the board to do likewise, would we become unable to search peanut butter?
20100404 15:10:41< Gambit> Wow it actually is intelligent. It won't let you search "wesnoth". Or someone plugged that into the dictionary...
20100404 15:19:31< Gambit> xinming: Open a game and push the colon key (:) then type in "discover" then hit enter.
20100404 15:19:38< Gambit> That will show all the units.
20100404 15:19:45< Gambit> Err colon key ":"
20100404 15:19:50< Gambit> Stupid smileys >_>
20100404 15:20:10< Gambit> So ":discover"
20100404 15:20:13< Gambit> Wow really?!
20100404 15:20:20< Gambit> Stupid smileys >_>
20100404 15:20:37< Gambit> I wonder if I can turn those off just for IRC chats...
20100404 15:27:58< Johannes13> xinming: debug
20100404 15:28:04< Johannes13> and then help
20100404 15:28:22< Johannes13> * go to 
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20100404 16:35:51< Johannes13> is there no coloseum 6p version anymore at the addons?
20100404 16:36:09< Johannes13> or not ready for 1.8?
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20100404 16:38:23< Johannes13> grr... I clicked "refresh" on the lobby and it crashed... (1.8.0)
20100404 16:38:36< Johannes13> maybe i'll file a bug report...
20100404 16:38:41< Johannes13> but not yet
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20100404 16:53:21< xinming> Johannes13: thanks
20100404 16:53:23< xinming> Gambit: thanks
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20100404 18:13:32< PeterPorty> Hi guys
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20100404 18:16:50< shadowmaster> Gambit: no  idea
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20100404 19:41:21< hoftel> does anyone make up a rpm package for wesnoth 1.8 for fedora so far???
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20100404 19:43:46< MyO> Hi!
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20100404 20:21:54< Johannes13> the refresh button in the lobby doesn't work on win32. can anyone confirm this?
20100404 20:22:11< Johannes13> wesbot: help
20100404 20:22:11< wesbot> Johannes13: I could tell you about bug(s), feature(s), task(s), patch(es), a log revision, update the topic, last seen of people... you name it.
20100404 20:22:16< Johannes13> wesbot: help bug
20100404 20:22:24< Johannes13> wesbot: help bugs
20100404 20:22:34< Johannes13> wesbot: bugs scrollbar lobby
20100404 20:22:40< Johannes13> wesbot: bug scrollbar lobby
20100404 20:24:12< Johannes13> wesbot: bug scrollbar lobby crash
20100404 20:25:11< Gambit> wesboth: bug #1
20100404 20:25:17< Gambit> Err rofl.
20100404 20:25:38< Johannes13> rofl?
20100404 20:25:49< Gambit> I spelled his name wrong. :\
20100404 20:25:53< Johannes13> wesbot: bug #1
20100404 20:25:54< wesbot> Johannes13: Are you sure with that number?  Please check again...
20100404 20:25:58< Johannes13> wesbot: bug #121
20100404 20:25:59< wesbot> Johannes13: Are you sure with that number?  Please check again...
20100404 20:26:02< Gambit> Anyway you have to give him a specific bug number.
20100404 20:26:08< Johannes13> wesbot: bug #493
20100404 20:26:09< wesbot> Johannes13: Are you sure with that number?  Please check again...
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20100404 20:26:18< Gambit> And you should probably try that in private.
20100404 20:26:22< Johannes13> but you can search
20100404 20:26:29< Johannes13> <wesbot> Johannes13: 80 bugs found, which one do you want?
20100404 20:26:38< ancestral> http://bugs.wesnoth.org might be a better solution
20100404 20:26:54< Johannes13> wesbot bugs
20100404 20:26:55< wesbot> Johannes13: 80 bugs found, which one do you want?
20100404 20:26:59< Johannes13> yeah
20100404 20:27:19< Johannes13> suggestion for the bot: provide a link
20100404 20:27:33< Gambit> He does.
20100404 20:27:41< Gambit> When you give him an actual bug number anyway...
20100404 20:28:10< Johannes13> wesbot bug #15716
20100404 20:28:10< wesbot> Bug #15716  Assigned to: Mark de Wever <mordante>  Status: Fixed  Priority: 5 - Normal
20100404 20:28:13< wesbot> Summary: Lobby crash: "Assertion `new_height > 0' failed."
20100404 20:28:16< wesbot> Original submission: Checking video mode: 1440x818x32...setting mode to 1440
20100404 20:28:19< wesbot> x818x32wesnoth: src/gui/widgets/scrollbar_container.cpp:625: bool gui2::tscrol
20100404 20:28:21< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?15716
20100404 20:29:41< Johannes13> are you sure that 1.8 is "stable"?
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20100404 20:30:51< Gambit> For the most part.
20100404 20:30:57< Gambit> Lobby is a bit jiggly.
20100404 20:31:16< Gambit> But that's our fault.
20100404 20:31:18< Johannes13> I noticed it... :/
20100404 20:31:25< Gambit> Not enough people stepped up to test/report.
20100404 20:31:35< Gambit> The developers don't have every configuration of every operating system.
20100404 20:31:40< Johannes13> I played the beta
20100404 20:31:49< Johannes13> and I was in the lobby
20100404 20:32:06< Johannes13> but there are I think 10 people
20100404 20:32:40< Johannes13> (and the inspect debug command causes some errors on my machine, but ok)
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20100404 20:35:59< ancestral> Is there any way to make a tile be one-way in and one-way out?
20100404 20:36:53< Blueblaze> if the same way you went in is the same way you went out :p
20100404 20:37:52< Blueblaze> or you get tricky and make a unit unable to walk on the previous terrain that is before the one-way in when he touches the special hex or the hexs on the exit
20100404 20:38:01< ancestral> Hmm
20100404 20:38:02< ancestral> Well
20100404 20:38:06< Blueblaze> you'll need to make 2 different terrains
20100404 20:39:22< ancestral> Let me show you
20100404 20:41:29< ancestral> http://imagebin.org/91608
20100404 20:42:01< ancestral> So there may be archers and such defending the palisade
20100404 20:42:10< Blueblaze> uhh image is corrupted?
20100404 20:42:14< ancestral> Hmm?
20100404 20:42:21< Blueblaze> nvm
20100404 20:42:23< Blueblaze> that was goofy
20100404 20:42:27< Blueblaze> maybe it wasn't fully uploaded
20100404 20:42:29< Blueblaze> anyway
20100404 20:42:46< ancestral> I want to have units on the castle
20100404 20:42:54< ancestral> But they shouldn't be able to cross onto the grass
20100404 20:43:06< Blueblaze> make grass unwalkable for them?
20100404 20:43:08< ancestral> Now once option is to make it impassable one hex outside the castle
20100404 20:43:09< ancestral> yeah
20100404 20:43:39< Blueblaze> don't make an impassable hex ring around the castle because then there is no point of having archers
20100404 20:43:50< Blueblaze> granted, there still isn't much point as long as archers shoot from 1 hex away
20100404 20:44:10< ancestral> I'll have to make the archers so they can attack more than one hex out
20100404 20:44:12< Blueblaze> if they could shoot across multiple hexes, then a one hex width ring around the castle would do
20100404 20:44:57< ancestral> There have been people who have done ranged eras like that before, that would still work?
20100404 20:45:00< Blueblaze> ancestral: you could easily just create a deep water hex moat around the castle
20100404 20:45:10< ancestral> That's true
20100404 20:45:24< Blueblaze> that'll make it look not goofy and save you effort
20100404 20:45:47< Blueblaze> if an era has units that have multi-hex ranged abilities, it should work fine
20100404 20:45:51< ancestral> Well it won't look goofy if I use the impassable overlay
20100404 20:45:59< ancestral> But a moat would be pretty fun still
20100404 20:46:16< Blueblaze> well something has to be on that hex
20100404 20:46:39< Blueblaze> it would look like a hex of grass that is unwalkable
20100404 20:46:43< Blueblaze> looks somewhat silly
20100404 20:47:02< Blueblaze> since no unit can be allowed to walk on it, not archers, nor soldiers, nor enemies, otherwise people can walk over the castle walls
20100404 20:47:08< ancestral> Right…
20100404 20:47:12< Blueblaze> so you'd just have an invisible shield in essence guarding the castle
20100404 20:47:17< Blueblaze> moat works nicely instead :p
20100404 20:47:46< ancestral> The thing is you wouldn't want to be right up to the castle wall anyway
20100404 20:49:27< ancestral> Alright, anyone know of any battering ram sprites? :-P
20100404 20:50:42< Gambit> Apart from the trilobyte mounted tebuchet, Wesnoth is severely lacking seige weaponry art.
20100404 20:51:15< ancestral> We don't have any GSoC artist applicants this year, do we?
20100404 20:52:24< Gambit> No since the C stands for code...
20100404 20:52:25< ancestral> A ballista, battering ram, and siege tower would all be amazing
20100404 20:53:07< Blueblaze> I've seen akll three before
20100404 20:53:12< Gambit> I think you're confusing GSoC with WSoA. The latter was actually run/funded by the wesnoth community, and hasn't started yet.
20100404 20:53:17< Blueblaze> Where I don't know, but awhile ago for certain
20100404 20:53:21< Gambit> We have siege towers, but they don't really look mobile.
20100404 20:53:36< Gambit> They look like vertically designed tents imo.
20100404 20:53:44< Blarumyrran> They look ugly
20100404 20:53:50< Gambit> Indeed.
20100404 20:53:53< Blarumyrran> But that problem runs deep
20100404 20:54:09< Gambit> Rip them all down!
20100404 20:54:20< Blarumyrran> Units are in style A, sprites are in style B - and things that are both, like siege towers & quitains, must choose one
20100404 20:54:58< Gambit> They like it both ways.
20100404 20:54:59< ancestral> A catapult too
20100404 20:55:09< ancestral> I wonder if FreeCiv has anything I can borrow
20100404 20:55:11< Gambit> ancestral: we have a trebuchet.
20100404 20:55:15< ancestral> We do?
20100404 20:55:18< Gambit> But like I said, it's mounted on a trilobyte.
20100404 20:55:27< Gambit> Stangest idea I've ever seen drawn.
20100404 20:55:28< ancestral> Haha
20100404 20:55:34< Gambit> And that is including SynErr's stuff here.
20100404 20:56:14< ancestral> http://freeciv.wikia.com/wiki/File:U.catapult.png
20100404 20:56:59< Gambit> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=412026#p412026
20100404 20:57:25< Gambit> The "trilobuchet" ladies and gentlemen.
20100404 20:57:37< ancestral> heh
20100404 21:00:03< Blueblaze> ugh
20100404 21:00:06< Blueblaze> I want to play Civilization 4
20100404 21:00:30< Blarumyrran> Civilization 5 looks pretty
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20100404 21:00:37< Blueblaze> indeed
20100404 21:00:42< Blueblaze> I am very excited about that
20100404 21:01:31< ancestral> Blueblaze: I want to play Civ IV with you
20100404 21:01:36< ancestral> Do something about it!!!
20100404 21:02:34< Blueblaze> ancestral: can you buy me a new computer?
20100404 21:02:40< ancestral> No
20100404 21:02:46 * Blueblaze did something about it
20100404 21:02:48< ancestral> Buy you can!
20100404 21:02:49< Blueblaze> don't blame me if it didn't work
20100404 21:02:50< ancestral> *but
20100404 21:03:01< ancestral> u suck
20100404 21:03:10< Blueblaze> ok gonna buy a a cheap computer at walmart
20100404 21:03:12< Blueblaze> bbl
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20100404 21:04:26< ancestral> Haha
20100404 21:06:21< Gambit> That's how you get stuff done.
20100404 21:12:06< ancestral> Boy I wish I was a graphic artist
20100404 21:12:12< ancestral> http://jrw0517.buzznet.com/user/journal/
20100404 21:12:20< ancestral> Below the Miley Cyrus pictures
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20100404 21:15:19< Blueblaze> ancestral: but then you'd have an odd obsession with Miley Cyrus
20100404 21:15:21< tropsobor> hi, I'm installing Wesnoth 1.8 from source and when I run autogen.sh, I'm being told that I'm missing SDL
20100404 21:15:23< Blueblaze> that would totally not be worth it
20100404 21:16:09< ancestral> tropsobor: You do need SDL
20100404 21:16:10< tropsobor> my question is, how do I acquire it? :$
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20100404 21:16:30< ancestral>  http://www.libsdl.org/download-1.2.php
20100404 21:17:04< Gambit> You wouldn't be alone though.
20100404 21:17:14< Gambit> Plenty of nutcases out there to share your obsession with.
20100404 21:17:21< Gambit> Sure none of them are capable of playing wesnoth.
20100404 21:18:26< Gambit> Really don't know where I was going there... /insert some joke about disney in general
20100404 21:18:48< Gambit> Hows everyone's Easter going?
20100404 21:19:06< Gambit> Or if you don't celebrate it... how's your Sunday going?
20100404 21:19:11< Unnheulu> Too much chocolate, throwing up after not even my first egg :(
20100404 21:19:36< Gambit> :s
20100404 21:19:38< Gambit> Allergy?
20100404 21:19:43< Unnheulu> Nope
20100404 21:20:02< Blueblaze> Unnheulu: allergic to all the iPads running around?
20100404 21:20:02< tropsobor> do I need sdl dev or runtime?
20100404 21:20:03< Unnheulu> I'm a brit, so I'm not used to so much sugar (although I eat more than in mainland Europe :/)
20100404 21:20:09< Unnheulu> Blueblaze: Yes
20100404 21:20:14< Gambit> I have a sweettart addiction.
20100404 21:20:17< Unnheulu> Although there aren't any in the UK yet^^
20100404 21:20:21< Unnheulu> Gambit: Lawl
20100404 21:20:35< ancestral> Gambit: I have a sweet-art addiction
20100404 21:20:39< Gambit> I can't stop eating them. :\
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20100404 21:21:14< ancestral> http://aom.heavengames.com/gameinfo/units/greek/pix/helepolis.jpg
20100404 21:21:27< ancestral> Maybe I can talk to these guys as see if I can take their art
20100404 21:21:31< Gambit> ancestral: Have you been experiencing withdrawal lately on the wesnoth forums?
20100404 21:21:39< ancestral> Yeah a little
20100404 21:21:47< ancestral> in fact
20100404 21:22:02< ancestral> "WARNING: Content Distribution is Prohibited"
20100404 21:22:04< ancestral> Damn
20100404 21:22:06< Unnheulu> Gambit: I'm related to them: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_west/7606744.stm
20100404 21:22:33< Gambit> So am I!
20100404 21:22:39< Blarumyrran> ancestral, talk to microsoft? o_O
20100404 21:22:43< ancestral> Haha
20100404 21:22:44< Unnheulu> Yeye ;P
20100404 21:22:47< ancestral> Riiiight
20100404 21:22:59< Gambit> Unnheulu: I mean if you go back to Adam and Eve ;)
20100404 21:23:07< Unnheulu> Lawl
20100404 21:23:32< Unnheulu> If you go back to the first strand of RNA :P
20100404 21:23:41< Blarumyrran> Helepolis is just a ballista with a YELLOW GLOW as anyone who has played aoe should know
20100404 21:23:41< ancestral> Gambit: If you don't subscribe to evolution theory
20100404 21:24:13< Gambit> ancestral: I can partially subscribe to it.
20100404 21:24:31< Gambit> While we have missing links for animals, we're still missing one for humans there aren't we? :)
20100404 21:24:40< Gambit> Why can't I be a fence sitter.
20100404 21:24:51< ancestral> You can be whatever you'd like to be
20100404 21:25:02< Gambit> One can only wonder.
20100404 21:25:09< Gambit> Two could discuss it amongst themselves.
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20100404 21:25:15< Gambit> But three is just a waste of resources.
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20100404 21:25:47< Gambit> Thanks for stopping by.
20100404 21:25:54< ancestral> I think I've found a siege tower, temporarily anyway
20100404 21:28:06< Gambit> rofl PNS Syndrome.
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20100404 21:30:13< ancestral> http://imagebin.org/91614
20100404 21:30:47< ancestral> Maybe the 5th one
20100404 21:31:10< ancestral> Dunno, Gambit does one of them look more like a siege tower than the others?
20100404 21:31:38< Gambit> They're all angled wrong.
20100404 21:31:44< ancestral> Well, yeah
20100404 21:31:55< Gambit> And they're stone.
20100404 21:32:06< ancestral> That's true, heh
20100404 21:32:22< Gambit> I guess the best one of these terrible siege towers is the furthest right. It's tall and has no base.
20100404 21:34:23< ancestral> Hmm for the battering ram
20100404 21:34:48< ancestral> I could maybe get away with a top-down bridge tile
20100404 21:35:40< Gambit> Or maybe your faction has tame rhinos.
20100404 21:36:41< Blarumyrran> I think catapults and the like are made slightly silly in a world with fireballs
20100404 21:37:06< ancestral> How do armies siege castles, then?
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20100404 21:37:22< ancestral> Summon giants to walk over the walls?
20100404 21:37:30< Gambit> Not just fireballs, but the ability to teleport from village to village.
20100404 21:37:39< Gambit> ancestral: rhinos :@
20100404 21:37:40< Blarumyrran> And still, fireballs, come on
20100404 21:37:53< Blarumyrran> I mean, I don't really understand your question
20100404 21:37:58< Blarumyrran> With fireballs.
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20100404 21:41:56< Gambit> And yetis.
20100404 21:42:39< ancestral> Okay is there a way to let only certain players walk on a given terrain?
20100404 21:42:55< Blarumyrran> Yes, you can :kick the others
20100404 21:42:59< ancestral> i.e. only players 2 and 3 can go on this tile, player 1 cannot
20100404 21:43:02< Gambit> rofl
20100404 21:43:12< Gambit> modify the move costs on recruit for just those sides.
20100404 21:43:25< ancestral> Blarumyrran: In a single player game it might not make for a good experience
20100404 21:43:51< ancestral> Gambit: But I won't know if the player wants to move on it or not
20100404 21:44:01< Gambit> Wait wha?
20100404 21:44:27< ancestral> Can I make it so one player cannot move onto certain tiles where another can?
20100404 21:44:29< Gambit> So you're only going to not let them if they don't want to?
20100404 21:44:36< Unnheulu> What?...
20100404 21:44:39< Unnheulu> That makes no sense
20100404 21:44:40< ancestral> No, I must not have heard you right
20100404 21:44:42< Unnheulu> bye bye
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20100404 21:44:54< Gambit> Okay every time that one side recruits
20100404 21:44:54< ancestral> You said change the movement costs
20100404 21:45:07< Gambit> modify *that specific unit's* move costs.
20100404 21:45:15< ancestral> I want them to be able to move to most tiles, just not some
20100404 21:45:31< ancestral> like 5 tiles on the map
20100404 21:45:36< Gambit> Oh.
20100404 21:45:47< ancestral> Basically, impassable for only some players
20100404 21:45:56< Gambit> Well then you could make a new type of impassable overlay terrain.
20100404 21:45:59< Gambit> A whole new category.
20100404 21:46:00< ancestral> Can I set impassable types of terrain per unit?
20100404 21:46:11< ancestral> I could make a new category? Interesting
20100404 21:46:19< Gambit> It would look feel and smell just like the terrain underneath.
20100404 21:46:26< Gambit> But those units wouldn't be able to walk on them.
20100404 21:46:30< ancestral> It would run through some WML that would only let certain players?
20100404 21:47:25< Gambit> Okay step 1 you make a brand new terrain in a category called Side1Blocker. We'll give it the symbol *^Anc
20100404 21:47:34< Gambit> Then you put your 5 chunks of that on the map.
20100404 21:47:35< Gambit> Wherever.
20100404 21:47:43< ancestral> Or 30 tiles
20100404 21:47:45< Gambit> Then whenever side 1 recruits, you store the unit they just recruited.
20100404 21:47:57< Gambit> Make it so it costs 99 moves for Side1Blocker
20100404 21:48:01< Gambit> then unstore them.
20100404 21:48:15< Gambit> Actually you wouldn't have to store them. You could just use [effect].
20100404 21:48:27< ancestral> Hmm
20100404 21:48:36< ancestral> This would allow me to do what I initially wanted
20100404 21:48:52< ancestral> Have one player defend a castle tile while not letting another into the castle through the wall
20100404 21:49:16< Gambit> Well then that won't quite work.
20100404 21:49:20< Gambit> Castle is an overlay.
20100404 21:49:32< Gambit> So you'd want your terrain to be Anc^*
20100404 21:49:35< Gambit> I guess...
20100404 21:49:44< Gambit> Then you'd have to make a new kind of castle.
20100404 21:49:49< ancestral> Hmm
20100404 21:50:13< ancestral> Why wouldn't the overlay work?
20100404 21:50:33< Gambit> Because castle is a second layer terrain.
20100404 21:50:36< Gambit> It is an overlay.
20100404 21:50:52< Gambit> Just copy whatever kind of castle you're using (like fort) give it a new letter, and a weird category name that isn't currently used.
20100404 21:51:32< Gambit> At least  I think castle is on the second layer...
20100404 21:51:35< Gambit> lemme double check that.
20100404 21:51:48< ancestral> Castle, not keep
20100404 21:52:11< Gambit> nvm castle is on the bottom.
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20100404 22:18:42< ancestral> It's ashame that the encampment is missing a gate
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20100404 22:32:55< Gambit> shadowmaster: I am prepared to offer you a 30 day free trial.
20100404 22:33:07< Gambit> But wait! if you call within the next 10 minutes I will double the offer :)
20100404 22:33:07< shadowmaster> for what?
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20100404 22:55:21< shadowmaster> Gambit: clean?
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20100404 22:55:38< shadowmaster> I don't think so.
20100404 22:58:21< Gambit> Okay now I have to add
20100404 22:58:24< Gambit> "that wasn't a joke"
20100404 22:58:29< Gambit> or "that I did something to warrent"
20100404 22:58:35< Gambit> :\
20100404 23:00:45< Gambit> My resume is still uber!
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20100404 23:09:06< ancestral> Gambit: über résumé?
20100404 23:10:09< shadowmaster> ancestral: something that we were talking about by PM
20100404 23:10:28< ancestral> ah k
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20100404 23:33:58< Gambit> Hey spookster.
20100404 23:34:11< SpoOkyMagician> oh hi gambit
20100404 23:34:51< SpoOkyMagician> work on geb lately? or still waiting for summer?
20100404 23:35:47-!- rrix is now known as TheEdge
20100404 23:35:48< Gambit> I did a basic port of the files/paths the other day. Still need to update all the menus for pango markup, and somehow blacksmith's tools for peasants were broken in the move (I'm clueless as to how). 
20100404 23:35:51< Gambit> You have any new projects?
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20100404 23:36:08< SpoOkyMagician> yea im redoing unwelcome guests for 1.8
20100404 23:37:07< SpoOkyMagician> there is a lot to update here and there but it will get done eventually
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20100404 23:39:02< SpoOkyMagician> zookeeper, mythological would like to talk to you later (if your not already)
20100404 23:40:28< VurtualRuler98> I haven't seen someone say that for like, a decade.
20100404 23:40:45< Gambit> Eh?
20100404 23:41:05< Gambit> "zookeeper, mythological would like to talk to you later (if your not already)" <<< who was that for?
20100404 23:41:13< shadowmaster> Gambit: for zookeeper
20100404 23:41:22< SpoOkyMagician> yes lol
20100404 23:41:27< Gambit> colon :P
20100404 23:41:29< VurtualRuler98> No it was obviously for barney the dinosaur.
20100404 23:41:30< shadowmaster> Gambit: no
20100404 23:41:39< Gambit> shadowmaster: Yes.
20100404 23:41:44< shadowmaster> Gambit: no, use your common sense
20100404 23:41:52< SpoOkyMagician> ya maybe i should of used a ; or : sorry
20100404 23:42:05< Gambit> shadowmaster: commas denote a list.
20100404 23:42:22< shadowmaster> don't pretend to be some kind of grammar nazy here
20100404 23:42:23< SpoOkyMagician> technically yes but not always
20100404 23:42:31< Gambit> I'm not.
20100404 23:42:37< Gambit> That's what my common sense told me. :P
20100404 23:43:35< SpoOkyMagician> i assume the coc applies here too?
20100404 23:43:54< Gambit> I guess so.
20100404 23:43:59< Gambit> Except for the "no chatting" part.
20100404 23:44:23< SpoOkyMagician> yea that makes sence
20100404 23:47:03< zookeeper> SpoOkyMagician, mmh, ok
20100404 23:48:23< VurtualRuler98> "nazy"?
20100404 23:48:26< SpoOkyMagician> hes on windows live messenger if you have that. if not, oh well;
20100404 23:48:42< SpoOkyMagician> or i could ask him to come here
20100404 23:48:52< SpoOkyMagician> ive seen him on here before
20100404 23:49:48< Gambit> Spelling nazy :o
20100404 23:49:55< zookeeper> SpoOkyMagician, sure, please do
20100404 23:50:10< SpoOkyMagician> messaged him. (waits for responce)
20100404 23:50:29< zookeeper> considering he uses irc anyway, i'd think it'd be most convenient to do that...
20100404 23:50:46< SpoOkyMagician> heh i rarely use irc
20100404 23:50:52< SpoOkyMagician> myself *
20100404 23:51:46< SpoOkyMagician> hmm... no responce yet... but he is available... :\
20100404 23:52:21< SpoOkyMagician> meh, he will probably get on later anyway
20100404 23:52:24< zookeeper> SpoOkyMagician, btw, regarding ANL, would you be maintaining it if it gets dropped back to UMC?
20100404 23:52:39< SpoOkyMagician> well...
20100404 23:52:43< zookeeper> (meaning you could do anything you want with it :P)
20100404 23:52:45< SpoOkyMagician> that is what he wanted to talk to you about
20100404 23:52:52< zookeeper> i see
20100404 23:53:00< SpoOkyMagician> he said that -
20100404 23:53:05 * Gambit misses Bob.
20100404 23:53:08< SpoOkyMagician> he heard nothing about it being dropped
20100404 23:53:53< SpoOkyMagician> and is curious why you said that
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20100404 23:54:49< SpoOkyMagician> well tghere he is
20100404 23:54:51< SpoOkyMagician> there *
20100404 23:55:29< SpoOkyMagician> we kinda already started the convo myth but feel free to continue privately if you wish
20100404 23:55:38< SpoOkyMagician> or here.
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20100404 23:56:21< zookeeper> well, it's probably been (briefly) discussed as an option for quite a while. the reasons are mostly due to quality issues...the code is still a relative mess (i don't know how much your patch fixes that, as i haven't yet taken a close look at it) and thus no devs really like to touch it
20100404 23:56:26< Gambit> SpoOkyMagician: Something about non MP safe WML or something.
20100404 23:56:37< zookeeper> hi Mythological
20100404 23:56:58< zookeeper> ^ the above is referring to the idea of dropping ANL from mainline
20100404 23:56:59< SpoOkyMagician> well, i cleaned the code up a lot
20100404 23:57:45< zookeeper> well, that sounds promising then
20100404 23:58:01< SpoOkyMagician> i made a lot of macros themselves but most of them are not even needed. you can remove 90% of them and it will run
20100404 23:58:54< SpoOkyMagician> hmm seems gna is down...
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