--- Log opened Wed Apr 07 00:00:10 2010
--- Day changed Wed Apr 07 2010
20100407 00:00:09< PetePorty> oh... yeah, good idead blarumyrran, I can call the cops and ask if he has a criminal record!
20100407 00:00:16< Gambit> LOL!
20100407 00:00:21< PetePorty> he MUST have one...
20100407 00:00:28< PetePorty> brb...
20100407 00:00:28< Blarumyrran> Yeah, just remember to show them this log
20100407 00:00:28< Gambit> That's not public information dude AFAIK.
20100407 00:00:42< PetePorty> hmm...
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20100407 00:00:55< PetePorty> damn gambit... thats right...
20100407 00:00:59< Gambit> You have to have a real reason (i.e. hiring someone)
20100407 00:01:19< SpoOkyMagician> (listens to music)
20100407 00:01:34< PetePorty> I GOT HIM!
20100407 00:01:38< PetePorty> (I think)
20100407 00:01:55< Gambit> bang bang
20100407 00:02:01< Gambit> Nope you missed.
20100407 00:02:11< Gambit> Quick! He's going around the back.
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20100407 00:02:36< Gambit> PetePorty: Seriously though... creepy.
20100407 00:02:45< Blarumyrran> PetePorty, what do you want to find him for.
20100407 00:02:52< PetePorty> uhh... dunno
20100407 00:02:53< Gambit> Don't you get in enough trouble [and then blame it on me]?
20100407 00:02:56< PetePorty> gambit made me...
20100407 00:03:03< PetePorty> WHAT!?
20100407 00:03:10< PetePorty> u kiddin right?
20100407 00:03:19< Blarumyrran> At moments like this I'm damn happy I never give away my real name on the internets
20100407 00:03:24< Gambit> I made you?
20100407 00:03:55< Gambit> You were already looking for him.
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20100407 00:04:00< PetePorty> OMG!!!! I was wrong...
20100407 00:04:21< PetePorty> Ignacio Romero Morelle is from spain!
20100407 00:04:34< Blarumyrran> ... I told you it's Riquelme.
20100407 00:06:45< PetePorty> no really, anyone knows his age?
20100407 00:06:56< Gambit> 23
20100407 00:06:58< PetePorty> like... is he a teen? is he a 50 year old baldie?
20100407 00:07:02< PetePorty> oorly?
20100407 00:07:05< PetePorty> ok...hmmm
20100407 00:07:07< PetePorty> thx
20100407 00:07:21< Blarumyrran> PetePorty, what do you want to find him for.
20100407 00:07:43< PetePorty> uhhh... to say "I know where you live...."
20100407 00:07:53< PetePorty> and blame it on Gambit
20100407 00:07:56< PetePorty> :)
20100407 00:08:02< Blarumyrran> I see
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20100407 00:09:13< Gambit> You know he'll be reading these logs right?
20100407 00:09:32< PetePorty> yeah... but you DID tell me to look for him...
20100407 00:11:04< Gambit> When?
20100407 00:11:39< PetePorty> <Gambit> PetePorty: just look him up in the phone book.
20100407 00:12:31< Gambit> Of course you could also email him.
20100407 00:13:15< PetePorty> but.. I'd need his e-mail..
20100407 00:13:40< PetePorty> if I had it it'd be as easy as sending a tracking e.mail...
20100407 00:14:45< Gambit> I'm not sure it works like that...
20100407 00:15:39< PetePorty> why?
20100407 00:16:00< PetePorty> a self destructing mail...with a tracking cookie...
20100407 00:17:45< PetePorty> NO! my other alternative was from finland...
20100407 00:18:11< PetePorty> nah, i give up, idc anyway...
20100407 00:18:35< PetePorty> not worth my time to stalk a person just to say "I know where you live"...
20100407 00:19:16< Gambit> I'm not sure you understand what a tracking cookie is either...
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20100407 00:20:44< PetePorty> well, no I don't, didn't mean a tracking cookie anyways. I meant a traking mail...
20100407 00:20:55< PetePorty> just... google self-destructing-email
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20100407 00:29:23< Gambit> And the point is ...?
20100407 00:30:03< PetePorty> ...uhhh...you suck...
20100407 00:30:10< Gambit> The most you'd get through an email would be his IP.
20100407 00:30:16< Gambit> But I already know it. He told me. :o
20100407 00:30:24< PetePorty> wait, did you ACTUALLY search it?
20100407 00:30:28< PetePorty> wow!
20100407 00:30:32< Gambit> No.
20100407 00:30:36< PetePorty> you could also...whis it...
20100407 00:30:42< Gambit> I just know what happens with email. ;)
20100407 00:30:42< PetePorty> whois
20100407 00:30:45< Gambit> And then what?
20100407 00:30:49< Gambit> You know his ISP?
20100407 00:30:51< Gambit> wooooo
20100407 00:31:09< PetePorty> well then you search for it, but... my search engine sucks so...yeah
20100407 00:32:49< Blarumyrran> "my search engine"
20100407 00:32:50< Gambit> Your search engine?
20100407 00:32:58< Gambit> personal jinx
20100407 00:33:15< PetePorty> uhh...
20100407 00:33:25< PetePorty> ipnetinfo
20100407 00:33:56< Gambit> I don't care who it is, all they can give you is his ISP -_-
20100407 00:35:11< PetePorty> yeah
20100407 00:35:16< PetePorty> well, anyway...
20100407 00:35:22 * PetePorty changes topic
20100407 00:35:36< PetePorty> my english teacher sux
20100407 00:36:16< Gambit> Here's what you do Pete. You setup a web server.
20100407 00:36:22< Gambit> Copy one of the board's smileys onto it.
20100407 00:36:27< Gambit> Post it in an image.
20100407 00:36:33< Gambit> *post it in a PM to him
20100407 00:36:38< Gambit> wait for a connection :o
20100407 00:36:53< Gambit> Now you have his IP.
20100407 00:36:57< Gambit> And you can do nothing with it. :)
20100407 00:37:18< Gambit> But it was way easier than self destructing emails.
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20100407 00:37:39< Gambit> And then if you're Zarel you run a portscan -_-
20100407 00:38:24< PetePorty> but... I can get his ip from a whois...
20100407 00:38:32< Gambit> a whois of what?
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20100407 00:39:12< PetePorty> of... him
20100407 00:39:26< Gambit> But you've got to have something to whois...
20100407 00:39:45< Gambit> His website is a subdomain
20100407 00:39:47< PetePorty> his... username in here...
20100407 00:40:14< Gambit> You know of a website that whois's forum usernames?
20100407 00:40:32< PetePorty> uhhh....maybe?
20100407 00:41:27< PetePorty> anyway, NEW topic
20100407 00:42:14< PetePorty> I might also... well, ask him... if I wanted any info...but... again... thread locked
20100407 00:42:18< VurtualRuler98> dwarves dig alot.
20100407 00:42:36< PetePorty> ...if you say so...
20100407 00:42:41< Gambit> I was told that in a really old wesnoth version dwarves could go through cave walls.
20100407 00:42:46< Gambit> Anyone old enough here to verify?
20100407 00:42:56< VurtualRuler98> We could just find an old version, test them all
20100407 00:43:03< VurtualRuler98> Wesnoth has no tiles of mountains with structures on them.
20100407 00:43:28< Gambit> There're mountain villages.
20100407 00:43:32< VurtualRuler98> Infact mountains are as small as people.
20100407 00:44:21< VurtualRuler98> No huge cliffside-mountains that span a chunk of a map, with villages and buildings and human/dwarf bunkers dotting them.
20100407 00:44:38< Blarumyrran> In mp maps
20100407 00:44:45< Blarumyrran> In campaigns, mountains are generally huge
20100407 00:44:54< Gambit> There are 6 hex mountains.
20100407 00:45:13< Gambit> Also see HAPMA+UAPEB
20100407 00:46:42< Blarumyrran> Units Are Possibly Electric Bisons?
20100407 00:47:40< VurtualRuler98> That'd actually be pretty cool to have in an mp map, a huge mountain with sharp rises and gradual slopes, some impassable, and maybe caves built into the mountain that only show when you pan over them directly.
20100407 00:49:01< Gambit> Blarumyrran: draw it.
20100407 00:49:12< VurtualRuler98> mareep lv2
20100407 00:49:15< Blarumyrran> I'm not in the mood
20100407 00:49:22< VurtualRuler98> With slowing electric attacks.
20100407 01:09:12< PetePorty> hey guys... any of you seen mystic X lately?
20100407 01:12:00< Gambit> He doesn't go on IRC afaik.
20100407 01:12:12< Gambit> You should send him a tracking email!
20100407 01:12:25< Blarumyrran> He has been on IRC, once less than a week ago also
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20100407 01:14:42< PetePorty> u suck gambit
20100407 01:15:14< PetePorty> no, i mean... I used to see him every day in the lobby, but havent since.... april 1st...
20100407 01:15:26< PetePorty> maybe someone killed him with a jike?
20100407 01:15:31< PetePorty> joke*
20100407 01:17:09< Blarumyrran> His wizard cast Recall Hero
20100407 01:19:00< SpoOkyMagician> hmm...
20100407 01:19:39< SpoOkyMagician> im getting a map related error but i dont even have maps with these names... are any of these mainline maps or something?
20100407 01:20:00< SpoOkyMagician> 01_The_Mission and 01_The_Uprooting
20100407 01:20:28< SpoOkyMagician> (i dont play campaigns so idk)
20100407 01:21:22< SpoOkyMagician> (its just a not found error)
20100407 01:22:52< PetePorty> uhhh... i think uprooting is from liberty, but... dunno
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20100407 01:23:25< SpoOkyMagician> lemme look in the folder
20100407 01:23:30< PetePorty> ;)
20100407 01:23:31< PetePorty> k
20100407 01:23:50< SpoOkyMagician> naming isnt the same
20100407 01:23:54< SpoOkyMagician> ill check others
20100407 01:24:59< PetePorty> ok...
20100407 01:25:54< shadowmaster> PetePorty: I live in the Region of Santiago
20100407 01:26:05< shadowmaster> e.g. la Región Metropolitana
20100407 01:26:17< shadowmaster> and I'm in Santiago most the time during work days anyway
20100407 01:26:17< PetePorty> oh...
20100407 01:26:27< PetePorty> ahhhh...ok
20100407 01:27:04< SpoOkyMagician> idk... i cant seem to find it...
20100407 01:27:08< PetePorty> so... PCKF huh?
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20100407 01:27:14< SpoOkyMagician> no clue where its coming from
20100407 01:28:06< SpoOkyMagician> ill just ignore it for now i guess
20100407 01:35:41< PetePorty> shadowm2006@gmail.com/shadowm2k6@hotmail.com <-------Do you actually read any of those two?
20100407 01:37:19-!- mario__ [~mario@f054226117.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wesnoth
20100407 01:37:22< mario__> hi there
20100407 01:37:49< mario__> are there debian packages available for wesnoth 1.8?
20100407 01:38:04< PetePorty> hi
20100407 01:38:09< PetePorty> and... I think not
20100407 01:38:38< PetePorty> *cough* compile *cough*
20100407 01:40:09< shadowmaster> PetePorty: of course I do.
20100407 01:40:15< PetePorty> k
20100407 01:40:25< shadowmaster> one is my primary address, the other is the one I use for contacting classmates.
20100407 01:40:38< shadowmaster> (guess which one is the most useful and therefore the primary address)
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20100407 01:44:38< mario__> PetePorty: hm, ok :P
20100407 01:45:08< PetePorty> hmmmm....
20100407 01:45:30< PetePorty> :D
20100407 01:45:48< PetePorty> so... is it true you are 23 or everybody in the internet lies?
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20100407 02:04:29< PetePorty> bye guys
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20100407 02:05:08< King_Elendil> hello, I won't be able to stay for long
20100407 02:05:18< VurtualRuler98> okay then
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20100407 02:14:48< Gambit> gmail is the primary.
20100407 02:15:02< Gambit> Since hotmail is blocked on a lot of places now.
20100407 02:15:25< King_Elendil> what are we talking about?
20100407 02:17:22< Gambit> stalking shadowmaster
20100407 02:17:26< Gambit> for some reason or another.
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20100407 02:18:00< King_Elendil> He doesn't seem like the kind of person I'd want to have mad at me...
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20100407 02:22:52< King_Elendil> anyway, well now I have to go. See ya gambit (:
20100407 02:23:03< Gambit> bye
20100407 02:23:11< Gambit> King_Elendil: He isn't.
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20100407 02:43:33< SpoOkyMagician> meh... how annoying... you cant use .race in a unit store...
20100407 02:44:01< SpoOkyMagician> when using a IF_VAR
20100407 02:45:17< SpoOkyMagician> (ill just have to check .type instead... for every possible unit... >.<)
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20100407 02:59:55< shadowmaster> Gambit: no, it's just that gmail's storage was superior at the time
20100407 03:00:03< shadowmaster> also, I like Google. Not Microsoft.
20100407 03:01:48< SpoOkyMagician> man...
20100407 03:01:57< SpoOkyMagician> i have to write 18 or tags...
20100407 03:02:00< SpoOkyMagician> >.<
20100407 03:02:28< shadowmaster> I still regret having created a spammy email username
20100407 03:06:05< SpoOkyMagician> make that 17... i miscounted one
20100407 03:07:40< SpoOkyMagician> lol it doesnt even show right on a pastebin
20100407 03:07:42< SpoOkyMagician> http://www.pastebin.org/139530
20100407 03:07:44< SpoOkyMagician> xD
20100407 03:08:24< SpoOkyMagician> it linewraps
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20100407 03:13:21-!- [NaLoL] is now known as [AfK]
20100407 03:14:44< SpoOkyMagician> i hope this works or im gonna be really annoyed... (tests the code)
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20100407 03:15:43-!- [AfK] is now known as kidnaps
20100407 03:15:54-!- kidnaps is now known as [NaL]
20100407 03:18:43< SpoOkyMagician> oh you gotta be kidding me... it didnt work...
20100407 03:19:16-!- [NaL] is now known as [AfK]
20100407 03:21:29-!- [AfK] is now known as [NaL]
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20100407 03:24:36< SpoOkyMagician> meh ill fix that later...
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20100407 03:57:49< Gambit> stupid internet.
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20100407 03:58:52< Zerovirus> Oh hey you're finally here.
20100407 03:59:35< SpoOkyMagician> well, for the most part, most of the menu items work for UGS... although there are still problems here and there... im gonna take a break for today though... ttyl all.
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20100407 04:00:13< Zerovirus> Were you guys having a spirited discussion without me? That's just not cool.
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20100407 04:01:55< Gambit> Zerovirus: CONGRATULATIONS!
20100407 04:02:04< un214> so potion of oil grants [skirmisher] and someone gave one to an ulf
20100407 04:02:13< Zerovirus> Gambit: :)
20100407 04:02:32< Zerovirus> I forgot if it was you who said it or not but I definitely have UMC Author repellant now. :P
20100407 04:02:43< Gambit> Yeah :)
20100407 04:03:30< Zerovirus> Of course that naturally excludes all UMC authors except you, Gambit. You're the only one who makes project worthy of *my* attention anyways. 
20100407 04:03:37 * Zerovirus puts on a superficial regal tone
20100407 04:03:55< Gambit> I dunno, there are a lot of cool addons.
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20100407 04:04:32 * Zerovirus considers being humble again then decides heck no.
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20100407 04:05:11 * Gambit eats pizza
20100407 04:05:30 * Gambit considers getting more pizza then decides heck yeah!
20100407 04:05:43< Zerovirus> Hey guess what I've been eating for the past month?
20100407 04:05:45< Zerovirus> Fish.
20100407 04:05:48< Zerovirus> >.<
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20100407 04:05:58< Gambit> I wanna try fish jerkey some day.
20100407 04:06:12< Zerovirus> ...
20100407 04:06:23< Zerovirus> Does fish even have a strong enough consistency to be jerkified?
20100407 04:06:28< Gambit> They cut them in strips and then salt them and hang em to dry.
20100407 04:06:35< VurtualRuler98> real men make deer jerky
20100407 04:06:39< VurtualRuler98> With their own hunted deer.
20100407 04:06:56< Gambit> that they caught with thier bare hands
20100407 04:07:19< Zerovirus> My dad is training himself to hunt >.<
20100407 04:07:41< VurtualRuler98> pffft
20100407 04:07:43< Zerovirus> At this rate, as long as he doesn't leave us, we could survive anything 2012 could offer.
20100407 04:07:47< VurtualRuler98> Real men learn from their dad
20100407 04:07:48< Gambit> Real men are watching Whitest Kids You Know right now :o
20100407 04:08:35< Zerovirus> ...I want to make a witty comment but can't think of one >.<
20100407 04:09:06< Gambit> You're so frustrated!
20100407 04:09:13< Gambit> You just want to draw something!
20100407 04:09:17< Gambit> Something... in space!
20100407 04:09:23< Gambit> lol jk
20100407 04:09:59< Zerovirus> I'm actually more tired.
20100407 04:10:02< Zerovirus> I should be sleeping >.>
20100407 04:10:18< Zerovirus> And I managed to melt my desk with a plastic eraser somehow.
20100407 04:10:20< Gambit> real men just had a student show up in their tutoring room and will be back in a few.
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20100407 04:10:31< Zerovirus> lol
20100407 04:11:25< Zerovirus> Aloice: Welcome! :P
20100407 04:11:59< Aloice> thanks
20100407 04:13:23< Zerovirus> Aloice: Okay the way things work around here is, me and Gambit start talking sprites and/or UMC, people butt in, I start talking about sprites -for- Gambit's various UMCs, then Blarumyrran starts mocking my airconditioner sprites.
20100407 04:13:40< Zerovirus> Aloice: Sometimes Gambit abuses the bot and then Shadowmaster starts kicking trenchcoated behinds.
20100407 04:13:55< Zerovirus> Isn't that right, Gambit?
20100407 04:14:07 * Zerovirus waits for Gambit to corroborate his story
20100407 04:20:18< Gambit> wrong
20100407 04:20:27< Gambit> Normally Zerovirus isn't here.
20100407 04:20:33< Gambit> And I never get kicked.
20100407 04:20:34< un214> shall I unleash a bot to mock Gambit?
20100407 04:20:56 * Zerovirus is sad and will shortly be leaving due to requirement of sleep
20100407 04:21:39< Blarumyrran> There is no such thing as requirement of sleep
20100407 04:21:44< Blarumyrran> There is only lack of coffee
20100407 04:22:03 * Zerovirus is required by my PARENTS to sleep >.>
20100407 04:22:19< Zerovirus> dammit I need to stop changing from third person to first person in a sentence with /me
20100407 04:22:28< Zerovirus> Whatever. Goodnight people.
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20100407 04:24:44< Gambit> Blarumyrran: coffee is bad for you
20100407 04:25:03< Blarumyrran> It is only natural
20100407 04:25:06< un214> well for those 3am shifts put cocoa powder in the coffee
20100407 04:25:31< Blarumyrran> I am also bad for coffee, I destroy her ruthlessly
20100407 04:26:00< VurtualRuler98> You never know
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20100407 04:26:20< VurtualRuler98> Coffee could be some supernatural being that recieves pleasure from being drunk.
20100407 04:26:30< VurtualRuler98> oh, and drinking coffee feels really good for them too
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20100407 04:26:59< VurtualRuler98> Also gambit, I drank like, 144 oz of mountain dew in an hour and felt fine
20100407 04:27:07< VurtualRuler98> Caffeine is wonderrfuullllllll
20100407 04:29:15< ancestral> Haha
20100407 04:30:04< VurtualRuler98> Also I crashed a bike after riding at high speed(like, faster than a fairly fast car on the road), messing up the gears, slamming into pavement, and didn't get hurt at all...
20100407 04:30:07< VurtualRuler98> Maybe I just have superpowers.
20100407 04:30:26< un214> I went to bed right after drinking two cups of hot cocoa
20100407 04:30:45< ancestral> Maybe you're RNG is stacked in your favor
20100407 04:31:08< VurtualRuler98> I thought rl just simulated lots of rules for everything happening, and never used random values
20100407 04:31:23< VurtualRuler98> except radiation which doesn't really influence enough anyways
20100407 04:31:41< VurtualRuler98> But then again, what if I'm being irradiated with superpowers?
20100407 04:32:03< Gambit> Bitten by a radioactive tiger shark?
20100407 04:32:05< ancestral> But aren't there times when you're just lucky? A victim of circumstance?
20100407 04:32:19< VurtualRuler98> circumstances are occouring events
20100407 04:32:30< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-wdtEWVozM
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20100407 04:33:22< Gambit> And anyone else who likes laughing.
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20100407 04:38:33< Gambit> crickets chirp
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20100407 04:39:08< ancestral> Do they?
20100407 04:40:06< Gambit> Yes. They have really loud voice boxes for such little critters.
20100407 04:40:33< Gambit> Keeping people up at night.
20100407 04:44:17< VurtualRuler98> it's their legs isn't it
20100407 04:44:21< VurtualRuler98> loud... legs
20100407 04:44:51< ancestral> Sexy
20100407 04:45:11< VurtualRuler98> One moment, stereotypical show-leg thing
20100407 04:45:16< VurtualRuler98> Next moment, explosion-like hearing ringing
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20100407 04:46:02< ancestral> Hey King_Elendil 
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20100407 04:49:22< Gambit1> dang internet!
20100407 04:49:49< ancestral> Gambit, Gambit1: How easy is it to code new terrain tiles?
20100407 04:49:55< Gambit1> I just wanted to see if shadowm would mention my axiom again.
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20100407 04:50:55< ancestral> Or actually hmm
20100407 04:51:35< ancestral> Different question: can you change the ToD during a scenario?
20100407 04:51:52< ancestral> The ToD schedule to be more precise?
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20100407 05:02:05< Gambit1> ancestral: I think ZOC is a tag in the units.
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20100407 05:02:17< Gambit1> wait nvm. rofl you said TOD
20100407 05:02:19< Gambit1> hold on
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20100407 05:07:03< Gambit1> ancestral: I dunno honestly.
20100407 05:07:30< ancestral> Hehe, okay :)
20100407 05:07:36< Gambit1> [time_area]?
20100407 05:07:45< Gambit1> but make the area be the entire map.
20100407 05:08:18< Gambit1> I think I remember something about the AI not understanding ToD modifictions, but I don't think it knows ToD to begin with.
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20100407 05:08:33< ancestral> Well
20100407 05:08:57< ancestral> Hmm
20100407 05:10:18< Gambit1> [time_area][filter_location]x=1-999 y=1-999 {INSERT WIBBLY WOBBLY TIMEY WIMEY SETTINGS HERE} remove=no[/time_area]
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20100407 05:10:38< Gambit1> ancestral: Did you get that last message?
20100407 05:10:44< Gambit1> [time_area][filter_location]x=1-999 y=1-999 {INSERT WIBBLY WOBBLY TIMEY WIMEY SETTINGS HERE} remove=no[/time_area]
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20100407 05:11:30< Gambit1> oops that's missing a closing filter_location tag.
20100407 05:11:41< Gambit1> See teh wiki for more info on [time_area]
20100407 05:11:45< Gambit1> I'm going to bed.
20100407 05:11:48< Gambit1> good luck
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20100407 05:21:43< ancestral> Hang on
20100407 05:21:48< ancestral> Actually
20100407 05:21:50< ancestral> You left
20100407 05:21:51< ancestral> Damn
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20100407 05:21:58< ancestral> I'll check the irc logs
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20100407 05:36:15< King_Elendil> hello
20100407 05:36:19< ancestral> Hey
20100407 05:36:46< King_Elendil> how are you?
20100407 05:37:02< ancestral> Doing fine
20100407 05:37:33< King_Elendil> any progress?
20100407 05:37:43< ancestral> On my units project?
20100407 05:37:45< ancestral> Nah :(
20100407 05:37:52< ancestral> I'm kinda stuck
20100407 05:38:04< ancestral> Still don't know how to incorporate the unit tree into this
20100407 05:38:14< King_Elendil> oh well, we all hit speed bumps every now and then
20100407 05:38:27< ancestral> I don't want it to move to a different web page, necessarily
20100407 05:38:36< ancestral> I kind of want a partial browser or something
20100407 05:38:42< ancestral> Or a pop-up of some kind
20100407 05:38:58< ancestral> Or an interactive sidebar
20100407 05:39:11< King_Elendil> when you're not thinking about it, it will hit you in the form of an "ah-hah" moment.
20100407 05:39:11< ancestral> Something clever that works well and eschews good design principles
20100407 05:39:17< ancestral> Heh
20100407 05:39:22< ancestral> I need someone to figure this out
20100407 05:39:56< King_Elendil> what about it being similar to the in-game help?
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20100407 05:40:51< ancestral> Hmm
20100407 05:41:07< ancestral> Actually having the unit tree in the in-game help would be even more awesome
20100407 05:41:13< ancestral> But I don't think that will happen
20100407 05:41:20< ancestral> Hmm
20100407 05:41:25< King_Elendil> you never know...
20100407 05:41:27< ancestral> Actually
20100407 05:41:32< ancestral> Having it like the in game help
20100407 05:41:35< ancestral> Could be like tabs
20100407 05:41:48< ancestral> Yes, like file folder tabs
20100407 05:41:54< King_Elendil> want me to do a quick visual?
20100407 05:41:56< ancestral> Hide a sheet and show another
20100407 05:42:02< ancestral> So like a book
20100407 05:42:07< King_Elendil> right
20100407 05:42:11< ancestral> But with bookmarks sticking out
20100407 05:42:25< ancestral> (doesn't have to be literally that, though)
20100407 05:42:29< ancestral> Sure, do a visual
20100407 05:42:34< ancestral> You don't have to draw anything specific
20100407 05:42:45< ancestral> Just a rough outline spatially
20100407 05:42:59< ancestral> i.e. don't put the content in, just the boxes that contain it
20100407 05:42:59< King_Elendil> ok, I'll fire up photoshop, and get an idea going...
20100407 05:43:08< ancestral> :)
20100407 05:43:10< ancestral> Thanks
20100407 05:43:24< ancestral> For the suggestion
20100407 05:43:35< ancestral> See what's cool is
20100407 05:43:40< ancestral> There could be a third or fourth tab
20100407 05:43:54< ancestral> For strategy and tips, maybe even wiki style
20100407 05:44:16< ancestral> So people could add in their own comments and have a primitive rating system
20100407 05:45:00< ancestral> e.g. "Drake Burners are excellent choices when fighting against Orcs, though only during the day." +6
20100407 05:45:39< ancestral> "Drakes should be dragons, lol!" -8 (hidden)
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20100407 05:46:39< ancestral> That way I could fit information like "this unit is in the following eras," "this unit is best against…", "this unit is like," etc.
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20100407 05:46:54< King_Elendil_> sorry, lost connection
20100407 05:47:00< ancestral> That's okay
20100407 05:47:04< King_Elendil_> cool
20100407 05:47:07< ancestral> If I even implement half of these things this could be epic
20100407 05:47:24< King_Elendil_> yes it would
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20100407 05:54:03< King_Elendil_> Hey, does each faction have it's own symbol?
20100407 05:54:24< ancestral> I absolutely think each faction needs a coat of arms or such
20100407 05:54:37< ancestral> I would love if an artist made one for each faction
20100407 05:54:41< King_Elendil_> that's just what I was thinking
20100407 05:54:46< ancestral> Would be totally, totally awesome
20100407 05:54:51 * ancestral has thought of that before
20100407 05:55:22< King_Elendil_> Hey, my brother just volunteered to try, and he is pretty good at art.
20100407 05:55:28< ancestral> Like this: https://richnesswithin.wikispaces.com/file/view/Alliance-logo-wow-warcraft.jpg/32612095/Alliance-logo-wow-warcraft.jpg
20100407 05:56:16< King_Elendil_> Maybe you should start a thread about it, asking for ideas and such
20100407 05:56:56< ancestral> Yes
20100407 05:57:11< ancestral> Though
20100407 05:57:16< ancestral> It will take a willing artist
20100407 05:57:29< King_Elendil_> my brother?
20100407 05:57:37< ancestral> Yeah?
20100407 05:57:52< ancestral> Could be like this too: http://www.wowwiki.com/Blackrock_Clan
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20100407 05:58:03< King_Elendil_> he's pretty good and just voluteered to give it a shot
20100407 05:59:21< ancestral> Cool
20100407 05:59:37< ancestral> He should create one and make a forum post 
20100407 06:01:18< King_Elendil_> like what?
20100407 06:01:46< King_Elendil_> I think the game logo is the loyalists CoA
20100407 06:01:59< ancestral> LIke "Hey! I like am making/want to make a crest for the factions
20100407 06:02:24< ancestral> If doing the Loyalists be sure the scepter of fire thing is in it
20100407 06:02:32< ancestral> Since that's their kind of symbol, right?
20100407 06:02:39< King_Elendil_> i think
20100407 06:02:42 * ancestral defers to Lords of Lore
20100407 06:03:02< ancestral> Coolness
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20100407 06:03:20< ancestral> Imagine cool crets/cots of arms like this: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080303171042/wowwiki/images/3/38/NightElfCrest.jpg
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20100407 06:06:20< King_Elendil> yeah, that's cool, but not quite wesnoth style. lost connection again
20100407 06:07:05 * King_Elendil :\ 
20100407 06:07:37< ancestral> Right
20100407 06:07:38< ancestral> So
20100407 06:07:43< ancestral> Somehow in the Wesnoth style
20100407 06:07:52< ancestral> Lots of freedom though
20100407 06:08:06< King_Elendil> uh-huh
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20100407 06:52:50< King_Elendil> ancestral: just sent you a PM
20100407 06:53:29< ancestral> k
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20100407 07:11:21< King_Elendil> ancestral: was that along the lines of what you pictured?
20100407 07:12:05< ancestral> King_Elendil: Um
20100407 07:12:07< ancestral> That's fine
20100407 07:12:08< ancestral> But
20100407 07:12:10< ancestral> The whole page
20100407 07:12:16< ancestral> What does the whole page look like?
20100407 07:12:25< ancestral> Lay out
20100407 07:12:27< ancestral> layout
20100407 07:12:48< King_Elendil> you mean mine+yours?
20100407 07:13:01< ancestral> Okay so
20100407 07:13:18< King_Elendil> probably not good, yet
20100407 07:13:20< ancestral> My page: http://mproud.com/wesnoth/bestiary/elvish_marksman.html
20100407 07:13:23< ancestral> or whatever
20100407 07:13:26< ancestral> So
20100407 07:13:31< King_Elendil> right
20100407 07:13:37< ancestral> How will the tabs look to switch to the unit tree
20100407 07:13:40< ancestral> The whole layout
20100407 07:14:25< King_Elendil> that's your job :p ! lol just kidding :)
20100407 07:14:26< ancestral> And how will the unit tree look in that amount of space
20100407 07:14:31< ancestral> That's okay
20100407 07:14:36< ancestral> Wasn't expecting you to do that
20100407 07:14:54< King_Elendil> no,no, I want to help all that I can
20100407 07:15:58< King_Elendil> so you want a page that is the result of yours+modified mine that looks good right?
20100407 07:16:19< ancestral> Just
20100407 07:16:24< ancestral> Okay
20100407 07:16:27< ancestral> I have to draw it out
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20100407 07:18:27< King_Elendil> ugh, I hate my stupid connection! :/ so are you gonna PM me what you want?
20100407 07:20:43< ancestral> I'll use imagebin
20100407 07:20:44< ancestral> one moment
20100407 07:21:28< King_Elendil> ok
20100407 07:25:44< ancestral> King_Elendil: http://imagebin.org/92021
20100407 07:25:45< ancestral> So
20100407 07:25:52< ancestral> The orange things
20100407 07:25:55< ancestral> Maybe are tabs
20100407 07:25:57< ancestral> I don't know
20100407 07:26:01< ancestral> Maybe could be more creative
20100407 07:26:02< ancestral> But
20100407 07:26:05< ancestral> How does that look
20100407 07:26:06< ancestral> And
20100407 07:26:15< ancestral> With the unit tree, how does the page get laid out
20100407 07:27:32< King_Elendil> hmm, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "tabs"
20100407 07:27:49< ancestral> http://www.apple.com/
20100407 07:27:51< ancestral> At the top
20100407 07:28:00< ancestral> Store |  Mac |  iPod  | iPhone  |
20100407 07:28:02< ancestral> etc.
20100407 07:28:03< ancestral> But
20100407 07:28:10< ancestral> More like tabs in a web browser
20100407 07:28:22< King_Elendil> right, but how would we use them?
20100407 07:28:22< ancestral> So "Description" is one tab
20100407 07:28:30< ancestral> You click on it and it shows that content
20100407 07:28:30< King_Elendil> oh i get it
20100407 07:28:35< ancestral> Unit Tree is another
20100407 07:28:43< ancestral> But
20100407 07:28:48< ancestral> Maybe a more creative way to show the tabs
20100407 07:28:51< ancestral> I don't know
20100407 07:28:56< ancestral> Maybe bookmarks
20100407 07:29:57< ancestral> http://nwn2db.com/
20100407 07:29:59< ancestral> Fancy you know
20100407 07:30:16< ancestral> See: "builder" "armory" "library"
20100407 07:30:22< ancestral> Anyway
20100407 07:30:35< ancestral> I still don't know how the unit tree will be displayed
20100407 07:30:38< ancestral> layout
20100407 07:31:43< King_Elendil> ooh, I think I like that. we'll figure it out. I'll work on something and PM it to you later this week, it's 1:30am here and I'm getting tired. anything else you want to tell me before I go?
20100407 07:31:58< ancestral> Nah
20100407 07:31:59< ancestral> :)
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20100407 07:32:25< King_Elendil> I'm getting excited about this now ;)
20100407 07:32:38< King_Elendil> bye
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20100407 10:17:54< Rigor> hi 
20100407 10:19:09< Unnheulu> hi
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20100407 10:22:12< Rigor> i once knew this kewl website there you can download lots of sounds for your pc, e.g. when u receive a msg 
20100407 10:24:51< Unnheulu> I know a clever thing called a microphone and ardour
20100407 10:28:20< Rigor> are there samples ?
20100407 10:29:36< Unnheulu> That's whats up with the mic ;)
20100407 10:29:44< Rigor> hrrrrrrrrrr :D
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20100407 10:49:41< Ivanovic> moin
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20100407 12:32:48< hoftel> hi
20100407 12:35:27< hoftel> can anyone tell me when the rpm package comes out
20100407 12:35:28< hoftel> ??
20100407 12:35:53 * Unnheulu sucks in airr through his teeth
20100407 12:36:02< Unnheulu> Why not compile
20100407 12:36:03< Unnheulu> ??
20100407 12:36:16< hoftel> because i can´t do it
20100407 12:36:24< Unnheulu> Then learn
20100407 12:36:25< Unnheulu> ??
20100407 12:36:38< hoftel> and so i  have to wait until a rpm package is finishes
20100407 12:36:54< Unnheulu> Which is
20100407 12:37:58< hoftel> where i can´t find it
20100407 12:40:48< Unnheulu> You have eyes
20100407 12:41:37< hoftel> yes but i can´t find it
20100407 12:41:44< hoftel> pls send me a link
20100407 12:41:48< Unnheulu> no
20100407 12:42:01< Unnheulu> I use ubuntu, I can't be bothered to find it
20100407 12:42:24< Unnheulu> and its please not pls
20100407 12:43:16< hoftel> ok PLEASE then i take a deb package
20100407 12:43:39< Unnheulu> I don't use debs, so I don't know where it is
20100407 12:44:01< hoftel> what do you use 
20100407 12:44:02< hoftel> ???
20100407 12:44:06< Unnheulu> I compile
20100407 12:44:11< Unnheulu> only 1 "?" is neede
20100407 12:44:14< Unnheulu> *needed
20100407 12:44:24< hoftel> yes i see
20100407 12:44:45< Unnheulu> Its "I" not "i"
20100407 12:45:16< Unnheulu> and shadowmaster has got nothing to do with where the .deb and .rpm are
20100407 12:46:13< hoftel> very funny, but i follow the how-to guide but it doesnt work
20100407 12:46:33< Unnheulu> It does work, I've done it myself
20100407 12:46:38< Unnheulu> Its "I" not "i"
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20100407 12:47:39< Unnheulu> For the .rpm try asking Rhonda
20100407 12:47:45< hoftel> yes Isee that you are brilliant but I´m not and so i need a rpm oder deb package
20100407 12:47:48< Unnheulu> *.deb
20100407 12:48:08< Unnheulu> No, I'm not brilliant, I just know how to follow guides
20100407 12:52:01< Unnheulu> Have you looked on sourceforge?
20100407 12:52:41< hoftel> yes only tar.gz2
20100407 12:53:20< Unnheulu> Just try compiling
20100407 12:53:22< Unnheulu> its simple
20100407 12:53:25< Unnheulu> in the source code folder
20100407 12:53:26< Unnheulu> type
20100407 12:53:46< hoftel> just a moment ok
20100407 12:53:51< Unnheulu> sudo mkdir build && cd build && cmake .. && make && make install
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20100407 12:55:24< hoftel> that´s all???
20100407 12:55:28< Unnheulu> yes
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20100407 12:55:56< Japs> does anyone have a compiled addon torrent?
20100407 12:56:11< Unnheulu> (well, it's not how I do it, but, it should work)
20100407 12:56:19< hoftel> ok
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20100407 12:59:17< Japs> ?
20100407 12:59:41< Japs> or does anyone know of the old survival map, that you control one unit and upgrade it?
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20100407 13:15:36< hoftel> lost operand
20100407 13:17:17< hoftel> and now???
20100407 13:19:47< Unnheulu> try
20100407 13:19:54< Unnheulu> sudo apt-get install cmake
20100407 13:21:38 * Rhonda kicks Unnheulu badly.
20100407 13:21:45< Unnheulu> ;P
20100407 13:21:54< Rhonda> .rpm, wtf.
20100407 13:22:02< Unnheulu> I meant .deb ;)
20100407 13:22:09< Unnheulu> He has an ubuntu machine and a fedora
20100407 13:22:13< Rhonda> hoftel: .deb are ready. ;)
20100407 13:22:15< Unnheulu> hoftel: the apt-get won't work
20100407 13:22:23< Rhonda> Won't work? Why not?
20100407 13:22:30< Unnheulu> its didfferent on fedora
20100407 13:22:34< hoftel> where can i find the .deb???
20100407 13:22:35< Unnheulu> its yum or something
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20100407 13:22:44< Unnheulu> Rhonda: is that you jumping?
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20100407 13:28:11< Rhonda> hoftel: http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/wesnoth-1.8
20100407 13:28:52< Rhonda> Uploaded so far for amd64, i386, kfreebsd-{amd64,i386} and powerpc.
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20100407 13:47:12< Necrosporus> Bandits asks me to help them defeat the dead people, but if I agree, elves comes away...
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20100407 14:16:21< Gambit> Goooood morning.
20100407 14:16:44< Jarkko_> Gambit: Vietnaaaam.
20100407 14:17:07< Gambit> Right...
20100407 14:17:27< Jarkko_> Oh come on, you haven't seen 'Good morning, Vietnam'?
20100407 14:17:37< Gambit> Doesn't ring any bells.
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20100407 14:18:59< Jarkko_> Okay - well, I recommend it :D
20100407 14:21:35< Gambit> Hmm early Robin Williams? Must be good.
20100407 14:26:25< Jarkko_> Guaranteed.
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20100407 14:28:50< Gambit> "it's like OpenBSD. Guaranteed  (?!) to be safe"
20100407 14:30:34< Jarkko_> Well, dunno about that... but when something has Robin Williams in it, it's guaranteed to be funny :P - at least when he doesn't do those "serious roles".
20100407 14:31:48< Gambit> In those cases you laugh at him instead of with him?
20100407 14:32:40< Jarkko_> More like laugh for him.
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20100407 14:32:58< Gambit> How's that work?
20100407 14:33:34< Jarkko_> A very good question... <_<;
20100407 14:34:04< shadowmaster> Gambit: I'll sue you for abusing my quotes
20100407 14:34:32< Blarumyrran> There isn't a single good film with Robin Williams in it
20100407 14:34:55< Blarumyrran> That I have seen, at least
20100407 14:35:13< Gambit> shadowmaster: How's that work?
20100407 14:36:53< Gambit> Blarumyrran: I ussually enjoy his dialogue but it all would have had the same effect just reading a transcript. So yeah the movies really aren't that great.
20100407 14:37:43< Blarumyrran> Actually I guess I said it badly, wikipedia says he was in Baron Münhausen which was great; but yes, he isn't a really great actor
20100407 14:38:20< Jarkko_> Gambit: Save for special effects! Especially in those movies, made 1950 - 1970 :P
20100407 14:39:39< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: does the patch work? :P
20100407 14:39:50< Unnheulu> Or did I do it wrong^^
20100407 14:40:45< Jarkko_> There's nothing better, than the hero of the movie getting hit by a massive lump of polystyrene sprayed gray, that is supposed to look like a rock.
20100407 14:41:20< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: oh, I forgot to check it
20100407 14:41:41< Unnheulu> :P
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20100407 14:50:18< Gambit> Posts like this really tick me off: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=420179#p420179
20100407 14:50:27< Gambit> The developers work *SO* hard.
20100407 14:50:39< Gambit> And after all that they put their work out there for not just free, but open source too!
20100407 14:51:49< Blarumyrran> Nah, they just got their hands on Fire Emblem codebase, & they keep copypasting stuff from there & taking the credit
20100407 14:52:02< Gambit> And the art?
20100407 14:52:13< Gambit> You're including in there, and I don't think your stuff came from Fire Emblem :P
20100407 14:52:21< Gambit> And the music.
20100407 14:52:24< Blarumyrran> stolen from deviantart without permission from the owners
20100407 14:52:29< Gambit> lol
20100407 14:52:53< Blarumyrran> All the forum accounts for "art contributors" are just for confusing you; they're randomly picked images from deviantart
20100407 14:53:27< Gambit> And the packagers who make it easier for non-computer-savvy- people to install
20100407 14:53:35< Gambit> And the translators who make it so anyone can play.
20100407 14:53:41< Blarumyrran> google translate
20100407 14:54:10< Jarkko_> Blarumyrran: That annoyed me :P
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20100407 15:03:39< Gambit> Blarumyrran: Well then my hats off to them for taking a terrible strategy game, mix and match art, and an error ridden translation tool, and combining them into a very good game.
20100407 15:03:53< Gambit> hat's*
20100407 15:04:07< Gambit> Unless...
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20100407 15:04:43< Blarumyrran> Gambit, meh you're overrating it; I could do it in an afternoon
20100407 15:06:21< Jarkko_> Gambit: And... I suppose, they put it all together with Game Maker? :/
20100407 15:06:50< Blarumyrran> Correct
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20100407 15:07:34< Blarumyrran> Eg the attack icons are just unused warcraft 3 attack icons
20100407 15:07:39< Unnheulu> *A pirated version of game maker
20100407 15:07:41< Blarumyrran> As anyone should know
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20100407 15:08:22< Gambit> Nah, they used the Multimedia Fusion 2.
20100407 15:08:29< Blarumyrran> Never heard of such
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20100407 15:12:48< Jarkko_> However I've heard this rumor, that for Wesnoth 2.0, they're going to abandon Game Maker and code it entirely with visual basic :P
20100407 15:13:31< Gambit> lmao
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20100407 15:15:37< Gambit> No, they'll expose so much of the engine, that they'll be able to recode the game in WML.
20100407 15:15:41< Gambit> Then we'll have a paradox.
20100407 15:16:26< Blarumyrran> WML with compiler directives
20100407 15:16:32< Gambit> yay
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20100407 15:23:44< Sacho> 1.8 feels times better than 1.6, I don't know what those guys are smoking
20100407 15:24:35< shadowmaster> the multiplayerine
20100407 15:25:16< shadowmaster> it's some kind of addictive drugs that turns happy users into irritable people
20100407 15:25:22< Blarumyrran> (I am serious now) I don't like the new drakes either; but I didn't like the old ones either so I don't really care
20100407 15:25:25< shadowmaster> s/(drug)s/$1/
20100407 15:26:23 * Unnheulu felt the biggest difference (since he joined) was from 1.2.4 to 1.3.8
20100407 15:26:54< Gambit> So many good maps were lost.
20100407 15:26:55< Jarkko_> Hmm... what's the value of multiplayerine on street market?
20100407 15:27:09< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: you realise your websites down?
20100407 15:27:22< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: yes
20100407 15:27:27< Unnheulu> ok :P
20100407 15:27:30< Unnheulu> just checking
20100407 15:27:34< shadowmaster> I'll give my sponsor a few mour hours before contacting him
20100407 15:27:36< shadowmaster> *more
20100407 15:27:43< Unnheulu> ok
20100407 15:27:49< Unnheulu> Sponsor?
20100407 15:27:59< shadowmaster> yes, that's a paid service
20100407 15:28:00< Unnheulu> D'ya mean host?
20100407 15:28:04< Unnheulu> ok
20100407 15:28:05< shadowmaster> no, sponsor
20100407 15:28:06< Blarumyrran> Gambit, such as?
20100407 15:28:10< Unnheulu> So someones paying for you?
20100407 15:28:11< shadowmaster> he pays for the hosting service for me
20100407 15:28:11< Gambit> Unnheulu: Yeah; haven't you seen shadowmaster endorsing cheerios all the time?
20100407 15:28:17< Unnheulu> :P
20100407 15:28:21< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: ah, kay
20100407 15:28:44< Gambit> shadowmaster's blog is just a subdomain though isn't it?
20100407 15:28:53< shadowmaster> Gambit: my blog is just part of my website.
20100407 15:28:58< shadowmaster> but yes, the website is a subdomain
20100407 15:29:07< Gambit> Oh so you have all of rewound.net?
20100407 15:29:10< shadowmaster> no
20100407 15:29:11< Gambit> Cause even their homepage is down.
20100407 15:29:28< shadowmaster> yes, he sponsors three people including me :/
20100407 15:30:15< Blarumyrran> zebulon?
20100407 15:30:17< Gambit> Blarumyrran: all of mine. :p
20100407 15:30:28< shadowmaster> Blarumyrran: no, this guy's not even a wesnoth community member
20100407 15:30:33< Blarumyrran> ok
20100407 15:30:49< Gambit> He's just a big fan of shadowmaster.
20100407 15:31:01< Blarumyrran> Iftu fanboy
20100407 15:31:11< shadowmaster> nah, I didn't even know about Wesnoth back then
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20100407 15:31:32< Blarumyrran> My theories keep failing today
20100407 15:31:48< Unnheulu> He's a supertux player^_^
20100407 15:32:16< shadowmaster> nope, and stop trying to guess or you'll be here forever
20100407 15:32:31< Unnheulu> Someone in your university
20100407 15:32:39 * Unnheulu has forever
20100407 15:32:46< Blarumyrran> Is he between 20 and 30 years old?
20100407 15:32:58 * Unnheulu is listening to a Zutons song which just went "I'll keep guessing"^^
20100407 15:33:01< Unnheulu> Coincidence ftw
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20100407 15:46:23< Gambit> Unnheulu: For every moment in life there are two things; A song and a youtube video.
20100407 15:46:26< Gambit> And a quote.
20100407 15:46:28< Gambit> So three things.
20100407 15:46:52< Jarkko_> Gambit: That's a quote worth quoting for :P
20100407 15:47:52< shadowmaster> welll, Wesnoth-TC now has a place in SF.net
20100407 15:48:49< shadowmaster> now I need to figure out where 1.0a is (besides the...website) to upload it
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20100407 15:51:51< Gambit> shadowmaster: did you send it to anyone?
20100407 15:52:17< shadowmaster> no
20100407 15:52:41< shadowmaster> people downloaded it, but I don't know who. Maybe Espreon has it.
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20100407 15:57:29< shadowmaster> meh, I'll just leave it as is
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20100407 17:35:16< Jarkko_> Are Wesnoth forums down?
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20100407 17:38:10< Unnheulu> Ivanovic: forums down
20100407 17:38:26< Ivanovic> because i currently move around some things and this speeds the move up
20100407 17:38:31< Unnheulu> ok
20100407 17:39:14< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: Does the patch work ;-P
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20100407 18:16:30< Unnheulu> Is there a campaign about the time around when Queen Asheviere (or w/e) took control of the throne?
20100407 18:16:36< Unnheulu> (eg just before HttT)
20100407 18:17:19< zookeeper> liberty
20100407 18:17:40< Unnheulu> Any others, other than liberty (liberty iirc is just one village, no?)
20100407 18:17:47< Unnheulu> I mean a bit earlier than that
20100407 18:18:12< Unnheulu> Just before she first took the throne, not when she took the throne
20100407 18:18:56< zookeeper> no, none, except if you want to dig up some 1.0-era campaigns
20100407 18:19:03< Unnheulu> ok
20100407 18:19:56< Unnheulu> Thanks :)
20100407 18:28:16< Unnheulu> zookeeper: So it'd be safe to make a campaign from that time without contradicting any others, so long as I keep with the history page?
20100407 18:29:10< Jarkko_> Regarding history... Is there any canonical history about the origin of Jevyan?
20100407 18:29:15< zookeeper> it's safe to make a campaign about anything if you don't contradict any others...
20100407 18:29:21< zookeeper> Jarkko_, nope
20100407 18:30:01< Unnheulu> But, my point is, its easier to not contradict that?
20100407 18:30:10< zookeeper> Jarkko_, except what's hinted at in TRoW, of course
20100407 18:30:26< zookeeper> Unnheulu, sure, i guess?
20100407 18:30:36< Unnheulu> ok, thanks :P
20100407 18:30:51< Jarkko_> zookeeper: Well I've strolled back and forth through TRoW dialogues and found nothing concrete.
20100407 18:31:51< zookeeper> Jarkko_, yeah, well, i think is all you get: "Haldric, we are an ancient people who lived in a land filled with all manner of man and beast. We needed vision that extended beyond the meager span of human years. The art of necromancy allowed our best and brightest to live forever, and our worst got to serve as mindless slaves."
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20100407 18:37:04< Sacho> also, I dig zombies.
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20100407 18:42:04 * Unnheulu will make a campaign then
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20100407 18:54:46< King_Elendil> What is Jabber
20100407 18:54:50< King_Elendil> ?
20100407 18:55:09< Unnheulu> Hard to use
20100407 18:55:12< Unnheulu> ^^
20100407 18:55:15< King_Elendil> lol
20100407 18:55:24< Jarkko_> King_Elendil: Hey there.
20100407 18:55:29< Unnheulu> To answer your question yesterday, 1.2.4 ;P
20100407 18:55:35< King_Elendil> you're back!
20100407 18:55:36< Unnheulu> (Well, 1.3.x)
20100407 18:55:46< King_Elendil> cool
20100407 18:55:56< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: haven't tested t yet
20100407 18:56:04< Unnheulu> ok :P
20100407 18:56:13 * shadowmaster cuts Unnheulu's tongue
20100407 18:56:27 * Unnheulu makes a funny gurgling noise
20100407 18:56:33< King_Elendil> good afternoon shadowmaster
20100407 18:56:40< shadowmaster> hi there
20100407 18:57:02 * King_Elendil keeps his tongue behind his teethe 
20100407 18:57:19< King_Elendil> doin' good today?
20100407 18:57:46< shadowmaster> I have a headache
20100407 18:57:52< shadowmaster> that means no.
20100407 18:58:05< Unnheulu> :(
20100407 18:58:34< King_Elendil> drink some water...
20100407 18:58:44< shadowmaster> sleeping 1.5-3 hours a day isn't good
20100407 18:58:51< shadowmaster> *1.5 to 3
20100407 18:58:58< Unnheulu> Indeed
20100407 18:59:05< King_Elendil> I know what you mean
20100407 18:59:12< Jarkko_> shadowmaster: It's always better, than not sleeping at all. :/
20100407 18:59:28< King_Elendil> not very much, but yes
20100407 18:59:32< shadowmaster> Jarkko_: I know.
20100407 18:59:59< shadowmaster> I've done that too
20100407 19:00:47< King_Elendil> I stayed up till 1:45 last night, and slept right through my alarm :( , and boss was mad :x 
20100407 19:02:05< King_Elendil> Why does RL have to always get in the way of wesnoth?
20100407 19:02:05< Jarkko_> That feeling, it's - funny. Like all the nerves just starts shutting down, one by one... Then you start feeling like you're drunk, but without the usual warm, cheerful mood brought by a few pints of beer.
20100407 19:02:54< King_Elendil> it's just plain weird 
20100407 19:03:04< Jarkko_> Real life is overrated. It's so - normal and boring...
20100407 19:03:29< King_Elendil> exactly  :D 
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20100407 19:04:46< King_Elendil> shadowmaster, what do you do for a living?
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20100407 19:05:14< shadowmaster> uh huh.
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20100407 19:41:51< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: what was the patch again?
20100407 19:41:59< Unnheulu> >.>
20100407 19:42:09< shadowmaster> can you generate an unified diff instead, btw?
20100407 19:42:15< Unnheulu> A what?
20100407 19:42:31< shadowmaster> diff -U 10
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20100407 19:43:14< Unnheulu> erm, its on my laptop, which is up the attic and out of bat >.>
20100407 19:43:26< Unnheulu> (the patched code)
20100407 19:43:42< Unnheulu> http://pastebin.com/Q3jAC65m is the ununified patch
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20100407 19:45:43< shadowmaster> blah.
20100407 19:46:29< shadowmaster> how the hell do I use a patch of this kind?
20100407 19:46:49< Unnheulu> No idea
20100407 19:46:52< Unnheulu> :P
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20100407 19:47:43< shadowmaster> okay, your homework now is cloning the git repo and getting an unified diff against master as soon as you can
20100407 19:48:18< shadowmaster> where src/wesnoth-tc-gui.py is your uh "main.py"
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20100407 19:50:33< Unnheulu> The changes you can copy and paste much faster than I can create a new patch
20100407 19:50:56< Unnheulu> on line 57 add in self.gladefile = os.path.join(self.local_path, "gui.glade")
20100407 19:51:16< Unnheulu> and on line 64 change  self.wTree = gtk.glade.XML(self.gladefile, "MainWindow") to self.wTree = gtk.glade.XML("wesnoth-tc-gui.glade", "MainWindow")
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20100407 19:54:45< Gambit> WOOT
20100407 19:54:49< Gambit> I can now drive.
20100407 19:54:58< Gambit> With an adult in the passenger seat...
20100407 19:56:08< shadowmaster> Gambit: you ... are not adult?
20100407 19:56:38< shadowmaster> also, why don't you make a blog or twitter account or something
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20100407 19:59:46< Gambit> shadowmaster: ewww social networking?
20100407 19:59:50< Gambit> And no I'm not an adult yet.
20100407 20:00:08< shadowmaster> firstly because it'd be mildly funny to see you spreading TMI and getting your house destroyed or something
20100407 20:00:20< shadowmaster> secondly because #wesnoth is not a personal channel.
20100407 20:00:55< Gambit> If I get twitter, will you read it? :()
20100407 20:00:59< Gambit> *:)
20100407 20:01:14< Gambit> lmao
20100407 20:01:35< shadowmaster> no
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20100407 20:01:54< Blarumyrran> shadowmaster, what's TMI
20100407 20:02:02< shadowmaster> Too Much Information
20100407 20:02:10< Gambit> shikadibot: TMI?
20100407 20:02:11< shikadibot> TMI: too much information
20100407 20:02:15< Blarumyrran> Hum. How does it destroy houses?
20100407 20:02:18< Gambit> :)
20100407 20:02:27< Gambit> Because people will track me down from my information? Dunno.
20100407 20:02:49< shadowmaster> "hi, I'm leaving for vacation, yays! I'll be at Somewhere In the East Coast for the next 2 months!"
20100407 20:03:04< shadowmaster> and "I don't have anyone to take care of home, lol"
20100407 20:03:23< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: Do those changes make sense?
20100407 20:03:26< shadowmaster> and some profile revealing that this person lives in Bob Avenue 42
20100407 20:03:37< Blarumyrran> Gambit, do you live on Bob Avenue 42?
20100407 20:03:49< Gambit> No.
20100407 20:03:51< shadowmaster> Blarumyrran: gods, can't you ever take an example as an EXAMPLE
20100407 20:04:07< Gambit> Very few people on the internet know my real full name.
20100407 20:04:07< shadowmaster> you people are too literal-minded
20100407 20:04:13< Gambit> Let alone my address :\
20100407 20:04:33< Gambit> None of them know my address. One knows my cell phone number. My house isn't going anywhere.
20100407 20:04:35< shadowmaster> Gambit: then the 1st point does not apply, that's sa- er, good
20100407 20:04:40< shadowmaster> Gambit: THE 2ND STILL DOES
20100407 20:04:53< Gambit> rofl
20100407 20:05:00< Gambit> Okay.
20100407 20:05:36< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: no, they don't, at least not directly
20100407 20:05:44< shadowmaster> let me figure out what the original lines are
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20100407 20:07:21< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: okay, now they don't really make sense at all
20100407 20:07:39< Gambit> I'm driving down to Chile tomorow.
20100407 20:07:40< shadowmaster> your second change was already in master for some reason
20100407 20:07:54< shadowmaster> your first change...I don't think it does anything, does it?
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20100407 20:08:18< shadowmaster> (maybe you recited your second change backwards?)
20100407 20:13:20< Sacho> ?si egnahc dnoces ym
20100407 20:13:37< shadowmaster> I didn't say "spell backwards"
20100407 20:13:47 * Sacho chants
20100407 20:13:57< shadowmaster> I meant something to the effect of reciting "replace B with A" when it should be "replace A with B"
20100407 20:14:16< Sacho> I know, but purposefully misunderstanding you is cooler :(
20100407 20:14:30< shadowmaster> cool is overrated.
20100407 20:15:08< Sacho> nah, it's too hot in here. I have to be cool to compensate. (:
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20100407 20:28:27< King_Elendil> Hello all :)
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20100407 20:34:35< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: You know windows has \ and linux has /?
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20100407 20:34:51< shadowmaster> yes
20100407 20:34:53< shadowmaster> and?
20100407 20:34:56< Unnheulu> (Yeh I said the second one backwards >.>)
20100407 20:35:05< Unnheulu> os.path.join will pick the right one depending on the os
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20100407 20:35:31< shadowmaster> windows' CRT is perfectly capabe of understanding /
20100407 20:35:34< Unnheulu> So that's just gluing together the path to the gladefile
20100407 20:35:37< shadowmaster> and so is the native API AFAIK
20100407 20:35:48< shadowmaster> but yeah, not releavnt
20100407 20:36:05< Unnheulu> os.path.join is just for safety then ;)
20100407 20:36:31< Unnheulu> So that's what it does^^
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20100407 21:15:44< King_Elendil> hello again :)
20100407 21:25:17< Unnheulu> Is it possible to make a unit attack another in wml?
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20100407 21:39:15< Gambit> Unnheulu: is the aggressor AI?
20100407 21:39:21< Unnheulu> yeh
20100407 21:39:31< Gambit> FAI should probably do that.
20100407 21:39:45< Unnheulu> formula ai?
20100407 21:39:50< Unnheulu> Anyhow, I no longer need it^^
20100407 21:41:32< Gambit> Unnheulu: You'd have been able to fake it too even if it hadn't've been AI.
20100407 21:41:50< Gambit> Since WML can forcibly animate units + display floaty text.
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20100407 21:42:13< Unnheulu> yeh
20100407 21:42:19< Unnheulu> I know that much
20100407 21:42:20< Unnheulu> gtg
20100407 21:42:50< Gambit> bai
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20100407 21:56:55< Unnheulu> back ;P
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20100407 22:20:11< Unnheulu> Gambit: How do I delete I unit? >.>
20100407 22:20:58< Unnheulu> Don't answer :P
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20100407 22:52:31 * shadowmaster leaves to ride a subway train. Yee haw!
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20100407 23:03:43< Gambit> twitter indeed!
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20100407 23:23:48< SpoOkyMagician> hmm...
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20100407 23:24:19< SpoOkyMagician> this looks right but its not working... anyone know what is wrong? {VARIABLE leader_a.modifications.trait.effect.apply_to.attack.increase_damage 1}
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20100407 23:25:38< XrtGdRyJh> where is server.wesnoth.org v1.6? 
20100407 23:27:45< SpoOkyMagician> hmm...
20100407 23:27:52< SpoOkyMagician> i think i got it...
20100407 23:28:59< King_Elendil> XrtGdRyJh: what do you want?
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20100407 23:30:37< King_Elendil> My good friend Gambit has arrived d:
20100407 23:30:58< SpoOkyMagician> hmm, well that didnt fix it either...
20100407 23:31:01< Gambit> Ello.
20100407 23:31:25< King_Elendil> What are you working on Gambit?
20100407 23:31:26< SpoOkyMagician> hey gambit, mind if i pick at your brain a bit? need some help
20100407 23:31:45< Gambit> Those answers in no particular order: no and watching doctor who.
20100407 23:32:03< SpoOkyMagician> i see
20100407 23:32:03< King_Elendil> lol
20100407 23:32:12< Gambit> SpoOkyMagician: What's up?
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20100407 23:32:35< SpoOkyMagician> trying to write some code but its not working like it should...
20100407 23:32:41< SpoOkyMagician> a few lines anyway
20100407 23:32:45< SpoOkyMagician> one sec
20100407 23:32:57 * King_Elendil has to go to church now, bye ;)
20100407 23:33:10< Gambit> Bye
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20100407 23:33:14< SpoOkyMagician> http://www.pastebin.org/140581
20100407 23:33:23< SpoOkyMagician> i dont understand why the effect isnt working
20100407 23:33:27< SpoOkyMagician> it should
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20100407 23:33:59< SpoOkyMagician> but the trait is added
20100407 23:34:12< Gambit> Think about it SpoOkyMagician. How many traits can a unit have?
20100407 23:34:15< Gambit> More than one.
20100407 23:34:29< Gambit> And how many effects can be applied per trait?
20100407 23:34:38< Gambit> Also possibly more than one.
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20100407 23:35:00< Gambit> trait and effect are "containers" (I think that's the word).
20100407 23:35:03< Gambit> Treat them like arrays.
20100407 23:35:32< Gambit> It would be most helpful to look at a savegame here.
20100407 23:36:05< Gambit> {VARIABLE leader_a.modifications.trait[0].effect[0].apply_to attack} is what I think you need there.
20100407 23:36:34< SpoOkyMagician> so... they use an array?
20100407 23:36:50< Gambit> Yeah basically.
20100407 23:36:58< Gambit> They're containers.
20100407 23:37:10< SpoOkyMagician> i see
20100407 23:37:12< Gambit> Inside the save game you could have a bunch of effects.
20100407 23:37:16< Gambit> You've got to tell it which one.
20100407 23:37:28< SpoOkyMagician> lemme try this and see...
20100407 23:37:44< Gambit> It's the same as if you wanted to increase the number of strikes of a particular attack.
20100407 23:38:51< Gambit> Or with that weird [set_variables] tag.
20100407 23:39:20< SpoOkyMagician> is the index a specific number?
20100407 23:39:27< SpoOkyMagician> or just in order you assign it?
20100407 23:39:32< Gambit> Does it already have a trait?
20100407 23:39:36< Gambit> If it does you'll be editing it.
20100407 23:40:00< SpoOkyMagician> hmm, well depends on leader that you pick
20100407 23:40:04< SpoOkyMagician> type of unit
20100407 23:40:15< Gambit> um if you want to be sure you're adding this as a new one check leader_a.modifcations.trait.array_length
20100407 23:40:25< Gambit> That's what you'll want to use as your index.
20100407 23:40:28< Gambit> I think.
20100407 23:40:32< Gambit> At least for the trait
20100407 23:40:41< Gambit> you'll still want effect[0] though
20100407 23:40:43< SpoOkyMagician> hmm wouldnt it be length+1
20100407 23:41:01< Gambit> I think length returns the first empty one
20100407 23:41:03< Gambit> so no
20100407 23:41:30< Gambit> Because when you're randomly selecting pieces of arrays in WML you always have to make sure to subtract one.
20100407 23:41:32< SpoOkyMagician> err, so how would that be wrote?
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20100407 23:42:00< Gambit> lemme edit your paste bin.
20100407 23:42:01< Gambit> just a sec
20100407 23:43:28< Gambit> http://www.pastebin.org/140593
20100407 23:43:35< Gambit> I can't remember if it's .length or .array_length though
20100407 23:43:59< SpoOkyMagician> its .legth
20100407 23:44:02< SpoOkyMagician> i believe
20100407 23:44:05< Gambit> Yeah
20100407 23:44:22< SpoOkyMagician> lemme see..
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20100407 23:45:29< SpoOkyMagician> (tests)
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20100407 23:46:32< SpoOkyMagician> naa its still the same damage
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20100407 23:47:34< SpoOkyMagician> ill look it over in a saved game
20100407 23:48:48< SpoOkyMagician> but yea, i never dealt with traits before so yea, ill eventually get it. hopefully...
20100407 23:48:57< Gambit> Trait doesn't require an object tag does it?
20100407 23:49:08< SpoOkyMagician> nope
20100407 23:49:11< SpoOkyMagician> just effect
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20100407 23:49:54< PetePorty> Hi guys
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20100407 23:50:55< SpoOkyMagician> how do you go about looking at a saved game? it doesnt exactly show correctly in notepad...
20100407 23:51:03< Zerovirus> Gambit: Hey Gambit, you alive?
20100407 23:51:12< Gambit> For a few more seconds.
20100407 23:51:13< PetePorty> uhh... what?
20100407 23:51:23< Gambit> SpoOkyMagician: Turn off compressed saves in preferences.
20100407 23:51:26< Zerovirus> Just going to tell you that I finally got you a space station for Steelhive.
20100407 23:51:36< Gambit> Zerovirus: I saw. -giddy-
20100407 23:51:44< SpoOkyMagician> oh ok
20100407 23:52:18< Gambit> SpoOkyMagician: are you on 1.7.x+
20100407 23:52:18< Gambit> ?
20100407 23:52:33< SpoOkyMagician> 1.8 yes why?
20100407 23:52:35< Zerovirus> I want to put kind of a "Halo"-sort thing around it, a ring of steel banded with glowy energy lines like the Cybercore. It'll be kinda a defense platform in the fluff.
20100407 23:52:36< Gambit> Use :debug and then :inspect
20100407 23:52:40< Gambit> Then go to units.
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20100407 23:52:45< SpoOkyMagician> ok
20100407 23:52:55< Gambit> It'll be easier than sifting through the save file now that I think about it.
20100407 23:53:02< Gambit> See how the tags are laid out in there.
20100407 23:53:34< Gambit> Zerovirus: Will they have fighters?
20100407 23:54:10< Zerovirus> Eventually. I'm thinking kinda like UFOs, with wings. Maybe just Sparkgazers on their sides with a spike sticking out of the bottom like with the mothership.
20100407 23:54:26< Zerovirus> Also, what scale are the units at? The mothership needs to look impressive and huge.
20100407 23:54:31< SpoOkyMagician> well yea i see them but i wrote them that generally
20100407 23:54:50< Zerovirus> I mean if my Corsair is seen at the same zoom level, my station will look puny.
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20100407 23:55:20< Gambit> Hexes are possibly parsecs apart.
20100407 23:55:28< Gambit> rofl
20100407 23:55:45< Gambit> Zerovirus: Don't worry about scale.
20100407 23:55:52< SpoOkyMagician> i see what you mean about the whole array thing
20100407 23:55:53< Gambit> Look at planets compared to ships :\
20100407 23:56:05< Zerovirus> But everything needs to look right! :/ Planets are like villages, they're on a different scale chart.
20100407 23:56:14< Zerovirus> The units all need to be scaled to each other at least somewhat, though.
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20100407 23:56:44< Zerovirus> Now I'm thinking that this thing can be a minor station and I can make a huge station the size of the Fortress thing in Era of Magic.
20100407 23:56:53< Zerovirus> That flying balloon fortress construct thing...
20100407 23:56:54< Gambit> I'm thinking actually that amniote, boltstriker, choriote, cybercone, cybercore, drone, recon, oculus, repairer, scout, sentient, and welder could all be ships.
20100407 23:57:07< Gambit> So steelhive might not actually need space ships.
20100407 23:57:13< Zerovirus> Poor slashers. I could give them jetpacks :P
20100407 23:57:20< SpoOkyMagician> ill look into it more but thanks for the tip gambit
20100407 23:57:27< Gambit> well someones gotta fight on the ground ;)
20100407 23:57:48< Zerovirus> The thing in the game, though, is that each Oculus is the size of a basketball. Ground troops are designed to overwhelm and swarm.
20100407 23:57:49< Gambit> SpoOkyMagician: Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. 
20100407 23:57:55< Gambit> You say the trait is applied, but not the damage?
20100407 23:57:57< Zerovirus> Maybe you could have a mass of single pixels and call it "Oculus Swarm" :P
20100407 23:58:02< SpoOkyMagician> naa it makes more sence then it did before
20100407 23:58:11< Gambit> I'm told some things can't be forced with variables (like the standing image)
20100407 23:58:25< Gambit> Maybe use a regular [object][effect] combo?
20100407 23:58:30< Gambit> It'd look like the trait did it.
20100407 23:59:36< SpoOkyMagician> i think i know how to fix it now. lemme write it out though
20100407 23:59:37< Gambit> Zerovirus: I think I'll leave the amniote line on the ground too.
20100407 23:59:48< Gambit> Or... they could be escape pods with a recolor.
20100407 23:59:50< Gambit> hmm
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