--- Log opened Sat Apr 10 00:00:30 2010
20100410 00:00:31< Gambit> Real men make websites in WML :o
20100410 00:00:51< sevis> I don't understand you people...
20100410 00:00:54< Unnheulu|Laptop> WML?
20100410 00:00:59< Unnheulu|Laptop> Wtf
20100410 00:01:08< sevis> Why in the world would you want to write websites in that?
20100410 00:01:19< Gambit> why wouldn't you?
20100410 00:02:36< Gambit> [event]name=page_load [message]speaker=narrator target=new_window message="Hi. I'm a popup"[/message][/event]
20100410 00:02:56< sevis> Well, for one, WML is not intended for writing websites, and thus is lacking in tools - not to mention being a markup language with script funcionality, which I guess I'll never accept as sane.
20100410 00:02:57< Unnheulu|Laptop> lawl
20100410 00:03:00< sevis> Ewww, pop-ups.
20100410 00:03:09< Unnheulu|Laptop> <3
20100410 00:03:16< Unnheulu|Laptop> sevis, python is a scripting language
20100410 00:03:44< Gambit> You can even program appliances in WML
20100410 00:04:04< Gambit> [event]name=toast_burnt [pop][/pop][/event] :o
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20100410 00:04:08< sevis> Unnheulu|Laptop: I know... I never said scripting languages are bad (I love them), but a markup language that's used for scripting just sounds wrong.
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20100410 00:04:18< Gambit> sevis: It's amazing.
20100410 00:04:31< Gambit> Best designed langauge ever.
20100410 00:04:37< Gambit> Except for coldfusion.
20100410 00:04:48< Unnheulu|Laptop> Actually, on the matter of python and websites
20100410 00:04:51< Gambit> Which is a lot like WML actually...
20100410 00:04:57< Unnheulu|Laptop> Exporting to html tables is not fun
20100410 00:05:08< Unnheulu|Laptop> (especially if your exporting a wordsearch)
20100410 00:05:19< Unnheulu|Laptop> (and want to use a template)
20100410 00:05:20< Gambit> Unnheulu|Laptop: how is it hard?
20100410 00:05:27< sevis> In what way exactly is it amazing?
20100410 00:05:28< Unnheulu|Laptop> Gambit, bah
20100410 00:05:36< Unnheulu|Laptop> if its one letter per grid square
20100410 00:05:42< Gambit> You just loop through your query results with a <tr> for each row and a <td> per each column...
20100410 00:05:42< Unnheulu|Laptop> each square alternating colours
20100410 00:05:47< sevis> I really should try to learn it, though.
20100410 00:05:48< Gambit> *td for each cell
20100410 00:06:04< Unnheulu|Laptop> and then have to decide how many columns depending on the number of words after
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20100410 00:07:27< Unnheulu|Laptop> Gambit, http://www.jonespenarth.me.uk/~ieuan/stdavids-new.html
20100410 00:07:35< sevis> Gambit, seeing as you're so pro-webdevelopment, do you also support the ChromeOS initiative?
20100410 00:07:46< Gambit> sevis: No.
20100410 00:07:56< Unnheulu|Laptop> dave works for google
20100410 00:08:33< Gambit> I support the "chrome claims to be light but has just as much crap as IE and then some" initiative
20100410 00:09:00< Gambit> Unnheulu|Laptop: that page makes my eyes bleed
20100410 00:09:11< Unnheulu|Laptop> ah
20100410 00:09:12< Unnheulu|Laptop> The colours
20100410 00:09:14< Unnheulu|Laptop> indeed
20100410 00:09:15< Gambit> It's like someone ran Ronald McDonald through a woodchipper...
20100410 00:09:18< sevis> What browser do you use, then?
20100410 00:09:24< Gambit> sevis: IE...
20100410 00:09:26< Unnheulu|Laptop> Its "not finished"^^
20100410 00:09:42< Unnheulu|Laptop> Gambit, for lightweight use lynx 
20100410 00:09:43< Unnheulu|Laptop> Oh wait
20100410 00:09:46< Gambit> Unnheulu|Laptop: http://kuler.adobe.com/
20100410 00:09:50< Unnheulu|Laptop> its for the people with real os's
20100410 00:09:53< Gambit> Pick out some nice colors :\
20100410 00:10:02< Gambit> * http://kuler.adobe.com/#create/fromacolor
20100410 00:10:02< Unnheulu|Laptop> Gambit, some other day
20100410 00:10:19< Unnheulu|Laptop> right now I want loadsa contrast before I release 0.2
20100410 00:10:32< Unnheulu|Laptop> Then on the eve of release I'll change the colours ;)
20100410 00:10:35< Gambit> You can get loads of contrast without making peoples eyes bleed...
20100410 00:10:43< Unnheulu|Laptop> perhaps
20100410 00:10:54< sevis> I have strong doubts that Chrome is anywhere near as bloated as IE, although I did observe it using a surprisingly large amount of memory. But why IE?
20100410 00:11:03< Unnheulu|Laptop> You've got to remember, the only people who are working on it are the only ones who'll see it
20100410 00:11:14< Unnheulu|Laptop> Yeh, Epiphany ftw =)
20100410 00:11:37< Unnheulu|Laptop> Gambit, plus, you could always export to pdf, or svg, or png, or txt, or something
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20100410 00:11:57< Unnheulu|Laptop> Please check out the program though ;)
20100410 00:12:03< Gambit> Unnheulu|Laptop: try 255,241,235 and 255,139,93 :\
20100410 00:12:06< Unnheulu|Laptop> I feel very lonely with only 15k downloads
20100410 00:12:17< Unnheulu|Laptop> red and orange?
20100410 00:12:25< Unnheulu|Laptop> anyhow, another day
20100410 00:12:42< Gambit> It'll look pretty.
20100410 00:12:46< Gambit> Just look at my blo...
20100410 00:12:49< Gambit> no don't look at it. XD
20100410 00:13:00< Gambit> I've taken a graphic design course since then!
20100410 00:13:02< Gambit> :$
20100410 00:13:05< Unnheulu|Laptop> heh
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20100410 00:13:37< Unnheulu|Laptop> Gambit, what does error 666 mean?
20100410 00:13:39< Gambit> Next semester: PHP!
20100410 00:13:44< Gambit> Unnheulu|Laptop: in what context?
20100410 00:13:46< Unnheulu|Laptop> I recall you mentioning it a while back
20100410 00:13:55< Gambit> It means your modem has been possessed by the devil.
20100410 00:14:02< Unnheulu|Laptop> when you were at the ISP ;)
20100410 00:14:18< Gambit> We were allowed to tell customers that because there was nothing we could do ^^
20100410 00:14:25< Gambit> Nobody ever did though.
20100410 00:14:33< Unnheulu|Laptop> What did it meeaan though? :P
20100410 00:15:48< Gambit> Your modem (or connected device) is not functioning properly or something like that.
20100410 00:16:06< Unnheulu|Laptop> ah ok
20100410 00:16:12< Unnheulu|Laptop> wuts 405?
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20100410 00:16:18< Gambit> It's such a descriptive error...
20100410 00:16:26< Unnheulu|Laptop> totally
20100410 00:16:35< Unnheulu|Laptop> NOW WHAT'S 405!
20100410 00:16:37< Unnheulu|Laptop>  :P
20100410 00:16:42< Gambit> 405 is not a modem error :@
20100410 00:16:59< Unnheulu|Laptop> What does the error meeaan? :P
20100410 00:17:03< Gambit> Internet errors start at 600
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20100410 00:17:16< Unnheulu|Laptop> 403 is permissions?
20100410 00:17:19< Gambit> 600-800 pertain to the internet.
20100410 00:17:22< Unnheulu|Laptop> 404 is non existant?
20100410 00:17:25< Gambit> http://www.modemhelp.net/dunerror/dunerrorcodes.shtml
20100410 00:17:25< Unnheulu|Laptop> 405 is?
20100410 00:18:39< Gambit> 691 was always a fun one.
20100410 00:18:53< Gambit> Get into the logs, look for connections from them, ask them what they think their password is.
20100410 00:18:58< Gambit> Sorry mam you have your caps lock key on.
20100410 00:19:28< Gambit> 680, "Oh yeah my phone is out. Why?"
20100410 00:19:46< Unnheulu|Laptop> hehe
20100410 00:20:11< Gambit> "That's why I had to call from a cell phone and you can hardly understand me :@"
20100410 00:20:20< Unnheulu|Laptop> :D
20100410 00:21:28< Unnheulu|Laptop> shadowmaster, Gambit does have a blog btw
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20100410 00:22:21< Gambit> One time I had a customer who had [INTENTIONALLY!!!] deleted their entire start menu list of program shortcuts.
20100410 00:22:30< Gambit> They could connect, but get no web pages.
20100410 00:22:34< Unnheulu|Laptop> Once I have zoom levels, I guess I must add in transitions
20100410 00:22:41< Gambit> Standard procedure there is to do disc cleanup and reset winsock.
20100410 00:22:42< Unnheulu|Laptop> Gambit, tell them they are an idiot?
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20100410 00:22:58< Gambit> So I had to find a computer in the office that had XP
20100410 00:23:08< Gambit> so I could find the direct url to the disc cleanup utility
20100410 00:23:14< Gambit> and have them type that in windows explorer...
20100410 00:23:31 * Unnheulu|Laptop smirks
20100410 00:23:34< Gambit> My supervisor giving me strange looks the whole time.
20100410 00:23:35< Unnheulu|Laptop> that site you linked me
20100410 00:23:43< Unnheulu|Laptop> I clicked on fix for 666 error
20100410 00:23:48< Unnheulu|Laptop> it said more info here
20100410 00:23:54< Unnheulu|Laptop> and linked to a 404 error page
20100410 00:24:07< Unnheulu|Laptop> Gambit, punch your supervisor in the face ;)
20100410 00:24:13< shadowmaster> Unnheulu|Laptop: I know.
20100410 00:24:16< Unnheulu|Laptop> knock him out!
20100410 00:24:17< shadowmaster> but Gambit doesn't update it, does it?
20100410 00:24:24 * Unnheulu|Laptop shrugs
20100410 00:24:27< Gambit> He heard me helping her spell out system folders and though I was in the registry for some reason :\
20100410 00:24:32< Gambit> hence strange looks
20100410 00:24:47< Unnheulu|Laptop> shadowmaster, when I said that I checked to see if you joined, but, you hadn't...
20100410 00:25:02< Unnheulu|Laptop> So you joined in the last few minutes
20100410 00:25:58< Gambit> Oh and helping an old man spell out "netsh winsock reset"
20100410 00:26:13< Unnheulu|Laptop> heh
20100410 00:26:14< Gambit> The new guy after me didn't know his phonetic alphabet... hehe
20100410 00:26:24< Unnheulu|Laptop> :O
20100410 00:26:32< Gambit> There's a print out pinned to every cubicle -_-
20100410 00:26:35< Gambit> all he had to do was look over.
20100410 00:27:08 * Unnheulu|Laptop would love to be a customer support
20100410 00:27:17< Unnheulu|Laptop> I'd probably be fired on my first day though
20100410 00:27:27< Gambit> Unnheulu|Laptop: one rule to remember.
20100410 00:27:30< Gambit> Everything is your fault.
20100410 00:27:36< Unnheulu|Laptop> =)
20100410 00:27:43< Unnheulu|Laptop> wha
20100410 00:27:46< Unnheulu|Laptop> no!
20100410 00:27:48< Unnheulu|Laptop> ;P
20100410 00:27:49< Gambit> Yep.
20100410 00:27:55< Unnheulu|Laptop> :(
20100410 00:28:14< Gambit> I had this one customer who had switched to dsl a long time ago, and had never cancelled our dialup.
20100410 00:28:19< Gambit> Well one day his new dsl isn't working
20100410 00:28:29< Gambit> and he calls in and insists that he doesnt have any other internet -__
20100410 00:28:37< Unnheulu|Laptop> well
20100410 00:28:41< Unnheulu|Laptop> That's his fault ;)
20100410 00:28:43< Gambit> It's a problem with out service he insists...
20100410 00:28:48< Gambit> Anywho g2g.
20100410 00:28:52< Unnheulu|Laptop> c'ya
20100410 00:29:03 * shadowmaster goes to have tea
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20100410 00:29:11 * Unnheulu|Laptop likes tea
20100410 00:29:16< Unnheulu|Laptop> Keeps me awake
20100410 00:29:31 * Unnheulu|Laptop thought shadowman hated tea 'cos it burnt a hole in his stomach
20100410 00:30:09< shadowmaster> Unnheulu|Laptop: no, that's coffee
20100410 00:30:11< sevis> Oh the joy of the package manager segfaulting... >.<
20100410 00:30:17< Unnheulu|Laptop> ah
20100410 00:30:32< shadowmaster> and I still need to drink coffee if I want not to get run over by a car in the morning or something
20100410 00:31:37< Unnheulu|Laptop> Or tea ;)
20100410 00:32:10< shadowmaster> there's only coffee in this place where I buy coffee and pastries
20100410 00:33:01< Unnheulu|Laptop> meh, ok
20100410 00:33:14< Unnheulu|Laptop> I'm not gonna stop you, no need
20100410 00:34:02< Unnheulu|Laptop> http://pastebin.com/rYtDJhCq
20100410 00:34:15< Unnheulu|Laptop> I need to stop making my lines so complicated cause I'm getting bugs :(
20100410 00:36:15 * Unnheulu|Laptop is an idiot
20100410 00:37:47< Unnheulu|Laptop> ugh
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20100410 02:20:36< King_Elendil_> ancestral, hi. any developments?
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20100410 02:22:08< ancestral> Hey
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20100410 02:22:24< ancestral> Haven't spent much time, though I have Sun-Mon
20100410 02:22:33< ancestral> off from work
20100410 02:22:50< King_Elendil> oh, good :)
20100410 02:23:38< King_Elendil> I hate to admit it, but I have done nothing since we last talked :(
20100410 02:24:11< ancestral> Hey, that makes two
20100410 02:24:37< King_Elendil> work, school, co-writing a campaign, and helping you is a lot to do :p
20100410 02:24:52< King_Elendil> I could live without the first two lol
20100410 02:27:21< King_Elendil> I have thought about it though.
20100410 02:28:40< King_Elendil> shadowmaster: how are you doing?
20100410 02:29:48< Gambit> Very well
20100410 02:30:16< Gambit> Because today is his birthday.
20100410 02:31:58< King_Elendil> really? Happy Birhtday Shadowmaster! :)
20100410 02:32:21< King_Elendil> *Birthday
20100410 02:32:45< Gambit> Higher. And with your mouth more open.
20100410 02:33:06< Gambit> It's not really his birthday.
20100410 02:33:12< Gambit> But he seems to be in a good mood.
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20100410 02:36:07< King_Elendil> except when I'm here :(
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20100410 02:37:32< King_Elendil> well, how are you Gambit?
20100410 02:40:17< Gambit> Stuffed.
20100410 02:40:19< Gambit> Yourself?
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20100410 02:43:51< King_Elendil> hungry lol
20100410 02:44:05< Gambit> The three bean caserole is really good. A little bit spicy.
20100410 02:44:10< Gambit> ;)
20100410 02:44:13< King_Elendil> about to eat dinner actually
20100410 02:44:25< King_Elendil> chicken something or other
20100410 02:45:01< King_Elendil> did you do school today?
20100410 02:45:19< Gambit> Yes.
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20100410 02:46:05< King_Elendil> me too. then work, but I didn't do much at work.
20100410 02:46:23< King_Elendil> also practised archery
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20100410 02:46:36< King_Elendil> *practiced
20100410 02:46:50 * King_Elendil makes too many typos
20100410 02:47:11< Gambit> Archery 0_0
20100410 02:47:20< Gambit> work 0_0
20100410 02:47:23< Gambit> in this economy? ;)
20100410 02:47:39< Gambit> :(
20100410 02:48:06< King_Elendil> what?
20100410 02:48:32< King_Elendil> I work for my dad (can't get fired if I try lol)
20100410 02:48:50< Gambit> :(
20100410 02:48:57< King_Elendil> and his partner is one of the top 5 archers in america
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20100410 02:51:50< King_Elendil> well, gtg to dinner now. bye ;)
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20100410 03:27:03< PetePorty> Hello!
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20100410 03:36:03< King_Elendil> when is your birthday shadowmaster?
20100410 03:42:38< PetePorty> today
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20100410 03:43:23< King_Elendil> lol
20100410 03:43:38< King_Elendil> is it really, or what?
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20100410 03:56:26< Gambit> He is going to kill me.
20100410 03:58:55< King_Elendil> who?
20100410 03:59:16< Gambit> shadowmaster
20100410 03:59:32< King_Elendil> why?
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20100410 05:44:13< Gambit> But he's not doing it tonight >:[
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20100410 08:46:24< zenhoobb-it> ladder players?
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20100410 09:23:57< boucman> Dwight: the basic ideas is to have enough "spare" units around to be able to retreat wounded units long enough for them to heal
20100410 09:24:12< boucman> if you always attack with all your units, then you're in trouble
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20100410 09:39:30< Necrosporus> I would like to make villages marked on map
20100410 09:39:30< Necrosporus> Is it possible?
20100410 09:39:54< Necrosporus> I see, one village is not mine, but how can I figure out, which one?
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20100410 09:45:31< SekoIdiootti> there's the flags, right? :o
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20100410 10:03:44< Necrosporus> Yep
20100410 10:03:53< Unnheulu|Laptop> hiah
20100410 10:03:57< Necrosporus> But I would like to see it on mini-map too
20100410 10:04:00< Unnheulu|Laptop> Sorry about the other day
20100410 10:04:07< Unnheulu|Laptop> >.>
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20100410 10:10:09< Unnheulu|Laptop> Necrosporus, If you want a real easy+fun+short campaign, try South Guard, or An Orcish Incursion
20100410 10:10:12< Unnheulu|Laptop> Not south guard
20100410 10:10:18< Unnheulu|Laptop> *not northern rebirth
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20100410 10:24:33< Necrosporus> I play for necromancer
20100410 10:24:55< Necrosporus> And... also, is that company endless?
20100410 10:24:57< Unnheulu|Laptop> Necrosporus, isn't DiD the only one where you do that?
20100410 10:25:23< Necrosporus> I also finished south guard
20100410 10:25:28< Unnheulu|Laptop> Yay
20100410 10:25:35< Necrosporus> But... is that company endless?
20100410 10:25:35< Unnheulu|Laptop> My bro is playing that now
20100410 10:25:44< Unnheulu|Laptop> what company?
20100410 10:25:47< Unnheulu|Laptop> Campaign?
20100410 10:26:28< Necrosporus> DiD
20100410 10:26:37< Necrosporus> It does seem endless
20100410 10:27:56< Necrosporus> How many stupid heros should I kill?
20100410 10:28:23< Unnheulu|Laptop> It does have an end
20100410 10:28:51 * Unnheulu|Laptop has only got to scenario 3 >.>
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20100410 10:28:59 * Unnheulu|Laptop will win it another time
20100410 10:29:08< Blarumyrran> Necrosporus, yes
20100410 10:29:52< Necrosporus> Blarumyrran, maybe it's like Mario
20100410 10:30:21< Blarumyrran> ... you have to find a pipe?
20100410 10:30:31< Blarumyrran> and enter it
20100410 10:30:36< Necrosporus> 7-4
20100410 10:30:41< Unnheulu|Laptop> its only eleven scenarios...
20100410 10:31:00< Blarumyrran> Unnheulu|Laptop, the last one repeats endlessy
20100410 10:31:04< Necrosporus> I mean Super Mario 7-4 level
20100410 10:31:10< Unnheulu|Laptop> orly?
20100410 10:31:17< Necrosporus> Blarumyrran, yep... 
20100410 10:31:17 * Unnheulu|Laptop goes checks the wml
20100410 10:31:37< Blarumyrran> Necrosporus, oh riight, 7-4 level...
20100410 10:31:44< Necrosporus> Unnheulu|Laptop, campaign script?
20100410 10:31:45 * Blarumyrran hasn't played Super Mario though
20100410 10:31:54< Unnheulu|Laptop> yeh
20100410 10:32:17< Necrosporus> It was the first videogame I played on my own console
20100410 10:33:24< Blarumyrran> I think Crazy Digger was the first one I played
20100410 10:33:42< Blarumyrran> My computer had a Turbo button back then; and if it was turned on, the game ran so fast that you could barely see anything
20100410 10:33:54< Unnheulu|Laptop> Oh yeh
20100410 10:34:00< Unnheulu|Laptop> It never ends >.>
20100410 10:34:17< Unnheulu|Laptop> Blarumyrran, Does that mean you can't get any laurels?
20100410 10:34:44 * Unnheulu|Laptop wonders what happens after 2.1billion attempts
20100410 10:34:50< Blarumyrran> Laurels were added later than the campaign; I remember people talking about exactly that but I don't remember the resolution
20100410 10:35:09< Blarumyrran> Maybe finishing it once does it
20100410 10:35:36< Unnheulu|Laptop> But, to my understanding, don't you have to reach the last endlevel?
20100410 10:35:51< Unnheulu|Laptop> or perhaps when you die
20100410 10:37:24< Unnheulu|Laptop> ah ok
20100410 10:37:28< Unnheulu|Laptop> According the code
20100410 10:37:38< Unnheulu|Laptop> If you die after the first scenario then you win
20100410 10:37:45< Unnheulu|Laptop> *first repitition
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20100410 10:39:06< Unnheulu|Laptop> Hmm
20100410 10:39:19< Unnheulu|Laptop> perhaps I could do something like that in my campaign
20100410 10:39:29< Blarumyrran> It wouldn't be original anymore
20100410 10:39:32< Unnheulu|Laptop> (Eldred is the lead guy, so I need a way for him to die)
20100410 10:39:34< Unnheulu|Laptop> true
20100410 10:39:43< Unnheulu|Laptop> I need a way to let Eldred die
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20100410 10:40:08< Blarumyrran> I think he should catch leprosy
20100410 10:40:12< Unnheulu|Laptop> :D
20100410 10:40:53< Unnheulu|Laptop> hi Ivanovic
20100410 10:41:03< Ivanovic> moin
20100410 10:41:41< Unnheulu|Laptop> meh
20100410 10:41:46< Unnheulu|Laptop> I'm finishing my rpg first
20100410 10:41:46< sacho_> cancer
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20100410 10:51:45< Necrosporus> Unnheulu|Laptop, if second hero kills the lich?
20100410 10:51:53< Necrosporus> Or do you mean first?
20100410 10:52:13< Blarumyrran> Does it matter; killing the first one should be trivial enough?
20100410 10:53:38< Necrosporus> Blarumyrran, it doesn't because I can just summon several nightmares
20100410 10:54:17< Necrosporus> And they can kill leader before his warriors would reach the lich
20100410 10:58:56< SekoIdiootti> Gööörgh, I just remembered the ancient lich... how can I make it smaller!? Because it loses detail if it's smaller...
20100410 10:59:00< Unnheulu|Laptop> just kill all the enemies you can
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20100410 11:11:45< Necrosporus> They all are dead
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20100410 11:17:28< Rigor> hi
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20100410 11:22:34< Rhonda> shadowmaster: The package is now called wesnoth-1.8 for being able to install side-by-side.
20100410 11:22:57< Rhonda> … and ist uploaded since a while already.
20100410 11:31:02< Necrosporus> Is lich upgradable?
20100410 11:46:16< Rigor> polands president is dead
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20100410 12:17:38< Necrosporus> What difficulty is better to choose?
20100410 12:33:22< Necrosporus> What parameters does it choice change?
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20100410 12:35:53< Blarumyrran> Rigor, but is he upgradeable?
20100410 12:36:04< Rigor> eh
20100410 12:36:30< Rigor> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=28901 5th post
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20100410 13:07:10< qubodup> hello
20100410 13:07:25< qubodup> Does Telaron ever visit this chat?
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20100410 14:13:03< fendrin> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=27953&p=420815#p420815 Ivanovic: I can handle that.
20100410 14:14:53< Ivanovic> fendrin: i saw the quality 8.0 file, but i thought our "normal" quality was lower
20100410 14:14:59< Ivanovic> anyway, feel free to handle this one
20100410 14:15:17< Ivanovic> if it is a direct replacement (as in "keep the same name") feel free to add it to trunk as well as 1.8
20100410 14:15:38< Ivanovic> if it gets a new name and the old northerners.ogg is removed: just add it to trunk
20100410 14:15:50< fendrin> Ivanovic: Do you mind a higher quality? I guess the difference in filesize is low.
20100410 14:15:50< Ivanovic> and don't forget to add the changelog entry
20100410 14:16:07< Ivanovic> the difference is likely to be some 2MB anywa
20100410 14:16:08< Ivanovic> y
20100410 14:17:00< Ivanovic> (it depends on the lenght of the song and so on, anyway, it does probably make some huge difference so i'd prefer the songs all to be on the same "good enough" level with "reasonable size"
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20100410 15:23:38< Rhonda> … and c_korn probably also did run into the libsdl issue. Too bad that he didn't contact me.
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20100410 15:24:20< Rhonda> wtf
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20100410 15:24:36< Rhonda> -!- Irssi: /LASTLOG Unnheulu would print 1267 lines. If you really want to print all these lines use -force option.
20100410 15:24:45< Rhonda> That person definitely speaks way too much.
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20100410 15:47:18< Polarina> One probably might not have noticed, but the topic isn't locked.
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20100410 15:59:25< King_Elendil> mornin' Gambit :)
20100410 16:04:32< Gambit> g'morning
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20100410 16:14:54< Gambit> Necrosporus: sounds dirty.
20100410 16:17:11< SekoIdiootti> lol...
20100410 16:17:50< Necrosporus> What?
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20100410 17:53:48< King_Elendil> hi
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20100410 18:40:10 * Rhonda peeks suspicious at Necrosporus
20100410 18:40:45 * Necrosporus looks like a dragon
20100410 18:41:47< SekoIdiootti> ... :o
20100410 18:45:17 * Rhonda stabs Necrosporus
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20100410 18:45:46< Rhonda> dragon blood makes one invulnerable
20100410 18:46:06 * Necrosporus eats Rhonda 
20100410 18:46:33< Rhonda> Doesn't matter, I cut my way out.
20100410 18:47:09< Necrosporus> What is Rhonda?
20100410 18:47:16< Rhonda> A witch.
20100410 18:47:32< Rhonda> Rhonda D'Vine, Witch
20100410 18:47:36< Rhonda> http://witches.deb.at/
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20100410 18:58:39< PetePorty> hihi
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20100410 19:05:27< Gambit> Role playing in #wesnoth? Looks fun...
20100410 19:05:50< Gambit> Whadya think shadowmaster?
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20100410 20:27:41< Unnheulu> Hey Blueblaze
20100410 20:27:46< Unnheulu> How's the RPG going? :)
20100410 20:29:29< Unnheulu> You should make it compulsory to join irc if you install wesnoth^_^
20100410 20:30:56< Polarina> Unnheulu, yes, we should.
20100410 20:31:07< Blueblaze> hi
20100410 20:31:09 * Unnheulu gasps in realisation of what he's done
20100410 20:31:18< Unnheulu> I've got to tear my code apart again :(
20100410 20:31:34 * Unnheulu is really getting sick of this, why was he such a bad coder last year?
20100410 20:32:23< Unnheulu> Each file in my whole program uses a different input class...completely different -.-
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20100410 20:33:48< SpoOkyMagician> ah come on zookeeper...
20100410 20:33:54< zookeeper> oh, hi ;)
20100410 20:34:37< Unnheulu> hmm, the name of the main file is very descriptive...gui.py
20100410 20:34:42< Unnheulu> ah wells
20100410 20:34:47 * Unnheulu reverts to idling
20100410 20:35:15< SpoOkyMagician> well w/e... the whole point why the patch is so big is because myth suggested that i go tag based and not macros... tags are more maintainable if something changes
20100410 20:36:12< zookeeper> well, can't say i'd understand how that could be
20100410 20:36:58< SpoOkyMagician> well id admit i didnt wanna write it tag based but myth suggested i do it that way so i did
20100410 20:37:50< zookeeper> there's nothing wrong with using simple shortcut macros, the problem with macros is when they're used unnecessarily and in confusing ways
20100410 20:38:06< SpoOkyMagician> how was it confusing?
20100410 20:38:16< SpoOkyMagician> i simply wrote a macro that wrote code out
20100410 20:38:24< SpoOkyMagician> with 1 arugment
20100410 20:38:35< zookeeper> well, look at how destroying the mushroom mines used to work vs. how it works in your patch
20100410 20:38:38< SpoOkyMagician> basically it was for a reason
20100410 20:39:14< zookeeper> no it wasn't, making them macros provided absolutely no benefit
20100410 20:39:17< SpoOkyMagician> if you put all the macros in a separate folder, the scenario itself would only be like 50 lines
20100410 20:39:32< SpoOkyMagician> or less
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20100410 20:40:06< zookeeper> not to mention the arguments were really confusing; usually you had the event type as the parameter
20100410 20:40:18< SpoOkyMagician> how is that confusing?
20100410 20:40:35< zookeeper> ...because there's absolutely no reason to do it, yet doing it implies that there's a reason for it?
20100410 20:40:38< zookeeper> == confusion
20100410 20:41:09< SpoOkyMagician> id rather have a scenario file with a macro doing something then having 1K+ lines of script
20100410 20:41:50< SpoOkyMagician> lemme give you an example...
20100410 20:41:54< zookeeper> me too, but unfortunately the macro still needs to contain that 1K+ lines of script
20100410 20:42:22< SpoOkyMagician> im making an rpg... instead of having 10K+ lines... i write macros that input the code for me in the scenario file
20100410 20:42:29< SpoOkyMagician> so the actual file will have less lines
20100410 20:42:35< SpoOkyMagician> (but the code still works)
20100410 20:42:38< SpoOkyMagician> because its there
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20100410 20:43:56< SpoOkyMagician> as far as mainline concern goes, if you dont want it that way, remove the #defines, change the argument lines and it would work too
20100410 20:44:38< SpoOkyMagician> the only macro im aware of that has to remain the same is the modification mod
20100410 20:46:06< zookeeper> i don't really get what you mean by macros helping you have less lines; the amount of actual lines of WML remains the same (except the extra lines required for the macro call(s)), and your patch had everything in one file, not split into multiple ones for readability
20100410 20:46:51< SpoOkyMagician> well ill admit you are right but i prefer reading scenario files that way compared to 1K+ lines... i just dont see the need
20100410 20:47:29 * Unnheulu doesn't see the need for macro's if they aren't reused
20100410 20:47:53< Unnheulu> If the macro is only ever used once, why bother making it?
20100410 20:48:05< Unnheulu> More effort, more files, more code
20100410 20:48:16< SpoOkyMagician> not really
20100410 20:48:37< SpoOkyMagician> but i rarely write macros that way anyway
20100410 20:48:43< Unnheulu> If its only used once, why should I bother using it?
20100410 20:48:45< SpoOkyMagician> i just thought id do it for this but meh
20100410 20:48:48< Unnheulu> When I could just hard code it
20100410 20:49:19< SpoOkyMagician> well still idk why zookeeper is complaining though
20100410 20:49:28< SpoOkyMagician> all you have to do is remove the defines
20100410 20:49:31< SpoOkyMagician> and it will run
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20100410 20:49:59< SpoOkyMagician> (except movement_mod)
20100410 20:50:31< SpoOkyMagician> unless you want me to do it...
20100410 20:50:44 * Unnheulu doesn't know what you've done
20100410 20:50:45< SpoOkyMagician> id only take like... 20 minutes?
20100410 20:51:24< SpoOkyMagician> go here... https://gna.org/patch/?1549
20100410 20:53:18< zookeeper> well, of course i don't want to spend time fixing patches for content i don't care about or would rather see gone anyway
20100410 20:54:31< SpoOkyMagician> then why bother put anything mainline if you/devels dont want to bother maintaining scenarios like this
20100410 20:55:19< Soliton> because we hoped someone would.
20100410 20:55:40< SpoOkyMagician> :\
20100410 20:56:34< SpoOkyMagician> well, if you want me to redo the code i can... but im kinda busy working on UGS...
20100410 20:56:52< SpoOkyMagician> (using effective macros)
20100410 21:00:04< SpoOkyMagician> meh, ill take a look at your code zookeeper... i'll fix what i can...
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20100410 21:03:24< SpoOkyMagician> what did you mean when you said "help texts are grammatically broken. "
20100410 21:04:27< SpoOkyMagician> they look fine to me
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20100410 21:05:38< SpoOkyMagician> zookeeper
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20100410 21:46:38< Blueblaze> Polarina: about?
20100410 21:46:58< Polarina> Blueblaze, about what?
20100410 21:48:17< Blueblaze> your pondering
20100410 21:48:30< Polarina> Blueblaze, oh, about me finishing this translation.
20100410 21:48:41< Polarina> I've took a long enough break.
20100410 21:50:04< Johannes13> ok, someone other uploaded the scn
20100410 21:54:11< Dwight> why cant you go past level 3
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20100410 21:58:46< Rigor> hi
20100410 21:59:06< Unnheulu> hi
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20100410 21:59:17< Unnheulu> Rigor: Deity is, believe it or not, possible ;)
20100410 21:59:24< Unnheulu> Rigor: also, whats the add-on to stronghold?
20100410 22:00:19< Rigor> oh :d
20100410 22:00:24< Rigor> you dont know?
20100410 22:00:29< Rigor> crusader
20100410 22:00:41< Rigor> actually i never tried out deity
20100410 22:00:56< Rigor> only once in civ2 and then i thought i must never try it again... :D
20100410 22:03:34< Rigor> ah wait you certainly have this "call me by my name and ill hear a gong" thing activated, Unnheulu
20100410 22:03:51< Unnheulu> Indeed
20100410 22:04:00< Unnheulu> Crusaders not an expansion?
20100410 22:04:19< Rigor> the exact name is stronghold crusaders
20100410 22:04:19 * Unnheulu tried deity on Civ IV, and lost in only a few turns
20100410 22:04:25< Rigor> --------------> same :D
20100410 22:04:31< Rigor> but with civ2
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20100410 22:04:34< Unnheulu> So stronghold 2, and legends are expansions?
20100410 22:04:43< PetePorty> maybe...
20100410 22:04:59< Unnheulu> Anyhow, I have a "rubbish, and needs loads of work, and must be done in flash/perl/rpg maker" rpg to make
20100410 22:05:09< Rigor> civ 4 -------------> too much respect to try deity ever again, except with a manually designed world and position
20100410 22:05:15< Unnheulu> Hehe
20100410 22:05:21< Rigor> nay, those are other games
20100410 22:05:24< Rigor> i got legends
20100410 22:05:29< Unnheulu> I enjoy 18Civ Noble, Prince
20100410 22:05:35 * Unnheulu has all of them =)
20100410 22:05:53< Rigor> and the first part. then they released stronghold I - crusader as a special gimmick to those hardcore stronghold 1 fans (like me :D)
20100410 22:06:07 * Unnheulu should get Civ III, cause his friend in school raves about it
20100410 22:06:12< Unnheulu> Heh
20100410 22:06:15< Rigor> civ 3 was not really cool
20100410 22:06:22< Unnheulu> I only found out about it by a kid in school
20100410 22:06:26< Rigor> i played civ 2 like i never played a game before
20100410 22:06:35< Rigor> and civ 3 simply.......................sucked.
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20100410 22:08:18< Unnheulu> bye
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20100410 22:25:31< SpoOkyMagician> zookeeper... what happened to the PLAY_SOUND macro? its not in 1.8...
20100410 22:25:49< SpoOkyMagician> (i dont see it)
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20100410 22:34:31< SpoOkyMagician> well w/e ill leave it as a sound tag...
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20100410 22:40:14< Queenie> Yay!
20100410 22:40:53< PetePorty> :)
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20100410 22:43:05< Queenie> And how come you're so happy to see me?
20100410 22:43:49< PetePorty> dunno, i was all alone in here....
20100410 22:45:18< Queenie> awww
20100410 22:45:23< Queenie> Well, I can keep you company.
20100410 22:45:39< Queenie> As long as it doesn't take too much of my attention away from my game. :D
20100410 22:46:13< Queenie> I do hope you're low maintenance. (:
20100410 22:53:20< PetePorty> sorry, i was chatting somewhere else...
20100410 22:54:09< Queenie> I feel so appreciated.
20100410 22:56:01< PetePorty> -.-
20100410 22:56:03< PetePorty> ·.3
20100410 22:56:08< PetePorty> ·.·
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20100410 22:57:27< PetePorty> meow
20100410 22:57:34< PetePorty> Imma kitty
20100410 22:57:46< Queenie> kitties rule.
20100410 22:58:48< PetePorty> yay!
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20100410 23:28:30< zookeeper> SpoOkyMagician, about the help texts, well, for example "Although, it costs gold to build things. Except for farms."
20100410 23:28:47< SpoOkyMagician> dont worry about it... i fixed it...
20100410 23:29:02< SpoOkyMagician> i made a macro for working options and its almost done
20100410 23:29:08< zookeeper> all right
20100410 23:29:30< SpoOkyMagician> ill post the code when its done on GNA
20100410 23:30:28< SpoOkyMagician> and zookepper, i didnt find the play_sound macro
20100410 23:30:31< zookeeper> i don't know what's up with PLAY_SOUND
20100410 23:30:32< SpoOkyMagician> keeper *
20100410 23:30:35< zookeeper> looking...
20100410 23:30:50< SpoOkyMagician> ok
20100410 23:32:05< zookeeper> well, it looks like it hasn't ever been a core macro
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20100410 23:35:15< SpoOkyMagician> lol
20100410 23:35:21< SpoOkyMagician> must of been bob's
20100410 23:35:53< SpoOkyMagician> should i just make one for the heck of it or just keep it a tag?
20100410 23:35:59< zookeeper> yeah, it's in the ANL macros
20100410 23:36:47< zookeeper> i'd use a macro for that since [sound] is so commonly used there, but it doesn't matter much
20100410 23:37:20< SpoOkyMagician> actually its within the work_option so nevermin
20100410 23:37:23< SpoOkyMagician> nevermind *
20100410 23:37:46< SpoOkyMagician> (that i made)
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20100410 23:58:09< unimatrix0> hey guys when is the 1.8 annoying scrolling lists gonna get fixed? it's pretty bad to select games :-/
20100410 23:58:47< zookeeper> as soon as possible.
20100410 23:58:54< unimatrix0> cool
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