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20100412 00:44:06< PetePorty> -maaan.... I have like tons of stuff to do...
20100412 00:51:48< PetePorty> but im too busy to do it...
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20100412 01:00:36< PetePorty> PLZ check this: http://funnytestanswers.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2009-05-10T12%3A46%3A00-07%3A00&max-results=5
20100412 01:04:54< Gambit> Hi PetePorty.
20100412 01:05:04< PetePorty> hi Gambit
20100412 01:05:09< Gambit> How are you doing?
20100412 01:05:22< PetePorty> I'm fine I guess... how about you?
20100412 01:05:28 * Gambit slaps PetePorty.
20100412 01:05:33< PetePorty> !
20100412 01:05:44< Gambit> What? It's the new thing.
20100412 01:05:46< PetePorty> uhh.... what was that for?
20100412 01:05:58 * Gambit slaps PetePorty.
20100412 01:06:02< Gambit> It's the new thing.
20100412 01:06:05< PetePorty> hey!
20100412 01:06:11< PetePorty> stop it!
20100412 01:06:21< PetePorty> why u doing that!?
20100412 01:06:37< PetePorty> didn't you check the link!?
20100412 01:06:37 * Gambit slaps PetePorty. It's the new thing! We all decided on it this morning.
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20100412 01:06:57< PetePorty> O.o
20100412 01:07:04 * PetePorty Slaps Gambit
20100412 01:07:07-!- mode/#wesnoth [-o shadowmaster] by shadowmaster
20100412 01:07:38< PetePorty> why does he remove the status every time he does something?
20100412 01:08:37< PetePorty> so many questions ananswered....
20100412 01:09:34-!- mode/#wesnoth [+o shadowmaster] by ChanServ
20100412 01:09:44-!- mode/#wesnoth [-oq shadowmaster Gambit!*@*] by shadowmaster
20100412 01:09:53< PetePorty> ?
20100412 01:09:58< PetePorty> what was that for?
20100412 01:10:23< Gambit> I'm afraid to continue/finish the joke now.
20100412 01:10:35< Gambit> I can tell you in private. :)
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20100412 01:10:57< PetePorty> ok....
20100412 01:11:00< PetePorty> do tell
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20100412 01:11:22< Gambit> You're lucky you didn't use an incomplete sentance.
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20100412 01:14:53< PetePorty> funny
20100412 01:15:39< Gambit> And I did go to your link. 
20100412 01:15:50< Gambit> But I had seen most of those before.
20100412 01:15:58< PetePorty> Good, very good....
20100412 01:16:13< Gambit> This one is a classic: http://www.thealarmclock.com/euro/images/findX.gif
20100412 01:16:15< PetePorty> come on, I ROFLED with the 2 girls 1 cup...
20100412 01:16:19< Gambit> "Find x."
20100412 01:16:25< Gambit> -_-
20100412 01:16:25< PetePorty> yeah
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20100412 01:26:09< Gambit> PetePorty: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=421075#p421075
20100412 01:26:10< Gambit> wtf?
20100412 01:26:30< PetePorty> O.o
20100412 01:26:36< PetePorty> what?
20100412 01:26:48< PetePorty> you know I'm right....
20100412 01:27:15< PetePorty> OMG! shadowmaster will ban me!
20100412 01:27:19< PetePorty> he's reading that
20100412 01:27:21< shadowmaster> PetePorty: how did you guess?
20100412 01:27:28< PetePorty> nooo!
20100412 01:27:33< Blarumyrran> I saw it coming
20100412 01:27:40< PetePorty> what?
20100412 01:27:43< shadowmaster> no, I won't ban you because forum bans tend to be permanent. However I ban you that your post demonstrates immature behavior
20100412 01:27:44< PetePorty> hey!
20100412 01:28:00< PetePorty> come on, I was kiddin
20100412 01:28:06< shadowmaster> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=24277 "Be polite"
20100412 01:28:08< PetePorty> we have a little game going on...
20100412 01:28:22< shadowmaster> well, there was no way Araja could have guessed that from your post as far as it concerns me
20100412 01:28:34< PetePorty> ok, I'll erase it
20100412 01:28:45< shadowmaster> good luck with that
20100412 01:28:47< PetePorty> O.o
20100412 01:28:52< PetePorty> couldn't...
20100412 01:28:58< PetePorty> oh, u already did it...
20100412 01:29:29< shadowmaster> by the time you noticed my presence (???) I was already clicking the red button
20100412 01:29:49< PetePorty> ok :)
20100412 01:30:09< Gambit> shadowmaster: the "users browsing this forum:" bar?
20100412 01:30:23< shadowmaster> but since I really doubt your attention span is short enough to not have noticed my *existence* before (hint: presence doesn't matter),
20100412 01:30:36< shadowmaster> so please, don't play stupid games with the forums
20100412 01:30:55< PetePorty> ok
20100412 01:31:00< PetePorty> ;)
20100412 01:32:05< Gambit> So shadowmaster where've you been? :(
20100412 01:32:12< Gambit> The weekend was boring without you.
20100412 01:33:03< shadowmaster> I've been busy with something.
20100412 01:37:31< PetePorty> dear god, they are mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKwj3efLxbc&feature=related
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20100412 01:47:44< PetePorty> bye guys.. sorry, I gtg... but see you on twesday! btw... i luv u shadowmaster
20100412 01:48:29 * shadowmaster raises eyebro
20100412 01:48:31< shadowmaster> w
20100412 01:48:34< PetePorty> :)
20100412 01:48:37< PetePorty> bye
20100412 01:48:40< shadowmaster> it's tuesday, not twesday
20100412 01:48:58< PetePorty> oh... thx
20100412 01:49:23< PetePorty> c ya on tuesday
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20100412 02:05:59< shadowmaster> and I go to continue working on my secret project.
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20100412 02:11:49< Gambit> A new IRC.
20100412 02:11:53< Gambit> *+bot
20100412 02:19:51< Aethaeryn> Gambit: No, shadowmaster is going to invent a totally new IRC
20100412 02:20:13< Aethaeryn> Rewritten entirely in WML>
20100412 02:20:22< Gambit> Awesome.
20100412 02:20:42< Blarumyrran> He's going to rewrite IRC specifications in WML? o_O
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20100412 02:21:18< Aethaeryn> Our new chat lobby would've both been completed faster and with more features if it was IRC-based (but not in WML, of course)
20100412 02:21:28< Aethaeryn> It basically is an IRC clone/knock-off anyway
20100412 02:21:42< Aethaeryn> meh, whatever, not everyone thinks like me. I like to work hard at finding ways to save work.
20100412 02:21:44< Blarumyrran> ... IRC-based
20100412 02:22:15< Blarumyrran> So you would include lots of IRC features that are useless in mp lobby, just to be "IRC-based"
20100412 02:22:51< Blarumyrran> How exactly does it save work
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20100412 02:30:34< Guest42614> NICK Major
20100412 02:30:53< Guest42614> How do I change my name?
20100412 02:31:11< Guest42614> Nick <Major>
20100412 02:31:19< Guest42614> ???
20100412 02:31:26< Blarumyrran> All commands start with /
20100412 02:32:23< Guest42614> But how do I change my name from Guest42614 to Major?
20100412 02:32:45< icelus> use /nick 
20100412 02:33:26< Guest42614> It's not working.
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20100412 02:33:51< Blarumyrran> "* major :Nickname is already in use."
20100412 02:33:55< icelus> someone is already called that
20100412 02:33:57< Blarumyrran> Didn't you see such message
20100412 02:34:03< Guest42614> No.
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20100412 02:34:12< icelus> try major_
20100412 02:34:45< icelus> oh i coulda done /whois
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20100412 02:34:53< icelus> i havent tried anything in irc for so long
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20100412 03:25:35< shadowmaster> icelus: well, /whois doesn't indicate whether a nick is reserved by a NickServ enforcer or a RESV
20100412 03:26:05< icelus> shadowmaster, true
20100412 03:26:08< shadowmaster> in this case this person was using a registered nick with enforcing enabled, without identifying
20100412 03:32:17< Aethaeryn> yes, but you could just /whois major to disprove that theory
20100412 03:32:27< Aethaeryn> someone online
20100412 03:33:21< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: awesome, sir. The problem is, that asn't the case some time ago
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20100412 03:33:50< shadowmaster> otherwsie he'd not have ended up with a released nick
20100412 03:34:45< shadowmaster> on the other hand, I am an idiot and didn't notice that he wasn't released in plain view, and a remote look up reveals that Major's been around for 7 hours or so
20100412 03:35:04< shadowmaster> *8 hours approx
20100412 03:38:27< Aethaeryn> yeah, /whois <name> <name> in irssi
20100412 03:38:44< shadowmaster> nah, there's a way easier way, the /wii default alias
20100412 03:38:57< shadowmaster> not to be confused with *that* Wii
20100412 03:39:29< Aethaeryn> woah
20100412 03:40:03< Aethaeryn> Nintendo must've added that feature in irssi 0.8.13 or 0.8.14 'cause I don't remember it being there. :P
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20100412 03:50:47< PetePorty> I hate it when parties don't start because Ke$ha doesn't come in!
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20100412 03:51:33< PetePorty> O.o
20100412 03:51:50< PetePorty> I also got a test tomorrow... just foun out...
20100412 03:52:37< shadowmaster> where are you? the moon?
20100412 03:54:51< PetePorty> uhhh....
20100412 03:55:02< PetePorty> I'm in my house right now...
20100412 03:55:04< shadowmaster> anyway, good night
20100412 03:55:08< PetePorty> thx
20100412 03:55:11< PetePorty> sleep well
20100412 03:55:22< Becquerel> moonhouse
20100412 03:55:25< shadowmaster> no, not sleep
20100412 03:55:28< shadowmaster> *work*
20100412 03:55:39< PetePorty> ok...
20100412 03:55:41< Becquerel> :D
20100412 03:55:43< PetePorty> work well
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20100412 03:57:37< PetePorty> I had to ddo a biology essay, a chemistry essay, a physics essay, I had to read a book, I had to study for the test, had to do the intro for my personal project...but I was busy...
20100412 03:58:06< PetePorty> -.- I hate school
20100412 03:59:05< PetePorty> anyway, sleep well guys, (you work well nacho) and... well, good night
20100412 03:59:11< PetePorty> c ya tuesday
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20100412 04:10:10< Gambit> shadowmaster: you mean major is taken?
20100412 04:10:20< Gambit> Weird.
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20100412 04:21:48< Gambit> So then what is that stuff I get when I do "info Major" while talking to Nickserv?
20100412 04:22:02< Gambit> It says the name hasn't been used in over half a year.
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20100412 08:44:05< Rhonda> Is there a way to register ones wesnoth nick without the forum?
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20100412 08:54:51< Blueblaze> Rhonda: without accessing the forums or without it creating a forum account?
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20100412 08:56:23< Rhonda> Blueblaze: Not sure, someone asked me that and I just try to forward the question. I guess the former should be fine.
20100412 08:56:42< Rhonda> … or is the latter possible, too?
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20100412 09:01:27< Blueblaze> Rhonda: Once on the server, the person should type /register <password> <email>
20100412 09:02:01< Blueblaze> Oh, but I think that feature might not work now, if it doesn't, then the forums would be the only way
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20100412 10:39:56< Ivanovic> moin
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20100412 14:46:47< Gambit> Good morning shadowmaster.
20100412 14:47:32< Jarkko_> Blarumyrran: Heck, I almost recognized myself from your draw-over :P
20100412 14:47:50< shadowmaster> good morning Gambit 
20100412 14:47:55< shadowmaster> *grr*
20100412 14:48:08< Gambit> How's your secret project coming along?
20100412 14:48:18< shadowmaster> nicely
20100412 14:48:50< Gambit> Can I play 20 questions with it? If yes: is it wesnoth related? y/n?
20100412 14:49:18< shadowmaster> no
20100412 14:49:20< Blarumyrran> Jarkko_, cool
20100412 14:49:35< Blarumyrran> shadowmaster, no to which question?
20100412 14:49:35< Gambit> Darn.
20100412 14:49:54< Gambit> Well a no to the first nullifies the second. And a no to the second means it's none of our buisness.
20100412 14:50:24< Jarkko_> Blarumyrran: I was just about to post the lineart of the version2, but then I read about the horizontality... noticed, that it had moved to v2 as well xP
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20100412 14:52:05< Jarkko_> In think, that qualifies as... Pretique...
20100412 14:53:49< Gambit> As opposed to postique which is a company.
20100412 14:57:42 * Gambit wonders if he should be worried that shadowmaster *grr*'d.
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20100412 15:02:02< Jarkko_> Gosh... now my flawsight turned on... <_<;
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20100412 15:15:21< shadowmaster> Blarumyrran, Gambit: "no" to the "Can I..." question
20100412 15:15:34< Gambit> Is it wesnoth related?
20100412 15:15:39< Gambit> And why did you grr?
20100412 15:16:15< shadowmaster> I said "no", I won't answer your questionnaire
20100412 15:16:34< shadowmaster> and you don't need to know the reason for my grumbling.
20100412 15:16:41< Gambit> But it's only one question about it. :(
20100412 15:16:43< Gambit> Not 20.
20100412 15:17:00< shadowmaster> the answer is "yes"
20100412 15:17:20< Gambit> interesting.
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20100412 15:47:45< Blarumyrran> Jarkko_, I don't think you should do lineart before shading unless you're already quite good at it
20100412 15:48:59< Jarkko_> Well the shading is the more gruesome part at least for me.
20100412 15:49:00< Blarumyrran> You can only get the contours right if you can imagine what the shading will be like in your head before starting with the lineart
20100412 15:49:48< Jarkko_> Yeah, but that's based on a scanned sketch.
20100412 15:50:39< Jarkko_> You see, I have to do the wireframes and all... :P
20100412 15:51:19< Blarumyrran> Uh, what wireframes
20100412 15:52:38< Jarkko_> Meh... I don't know, what's it called in english...
20100412 15:53:11< Blarumyrran> And you should draw a "skeleton" of the human first, and the clothes and things on him later - eg now the lower part of his left hand is much shorter than the upper part
20100412 15:54:30< Jarkko_> That's exactly what I was after...
20100412 15:55:01< Blarumyrran> Hum
20100412 15:55:05< Blarumyrran> It looks deformed :P
20100412 15:55:08< Jarkko_> Means, that I blew it on the skeleton level... <_<;
20100412 15:55:13< Blarumyrran> Ah.
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20100412 15:57:25< Jarkko_> At least I discovered the problem, so I've just gained 0.01 exp :D
20100412 15:58:42< Jarkko_> But it still leads to my favorite part... the hand redraw... Are there any other problems?
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20100412 16:00:22< Blarumyrran> His belt is too high
20100412 16:00:34< Blarumyrran> (= his chest should be longer vertically)
20100412 16:00:45< Blarumyrran> (and broader)
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20100412 16:15:40< Gambit> shadowmaster: How about one question per hour I'm awake, and you're here, over the next 2 days?
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20100412 16:17:31< Unnheulu> lol Gambit
20100412 16:17:57< Gambit> Unnheulu: 20 questions isn't as annoying when you spread it out. :D
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20100412 16:18:33< Gambit> I'll just save my normal pestering, and instead use that time to figure out what his secret project is. It's a win-win.
20100412 16:20:58< Unnheulu> where did you hear about this project anyways?
20100412 16:21:02< Unnheulu> Not on his blog/forums
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20100412 16:23:32< Gambit> I have a contact in Chile.
20100412 16:23:42< Gambit> He keeps me informed on all the latest... happenings.
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20100412 16:26:47< Gambit> He told me that shadowmaster had been buying a lot of tinfoil lately.
20100412 16:27:17< Unnheulu> haha
20100412 16:28:12< Blarumyrran> I've been told that in soviet times, planes would sometimes drop tinfoil to distrupt radio signals somehow
20100412 16:28:33< Gambit> All the metal in the air screwed with radar.
20100412 16:29:09< Blarumyrran> And people would pick them up and use them to scare away foxes
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20100412 16:29:20< Gambit> A similar tactic is still in use to screw with missiles.
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20100412 16:29:58< Blarumyrran> You don't have missiles flying randomly about in your backyard
20100412 16:30:16< Gambit> Yeah I started typing that before the you mentioned foxes...
20100412 16:30:37< Blarumyrran> Doesn't matter
20100412 16:31:21< Blarumyrran> I meant that planes would drop the tinfoil literally near your house, not that missiles aren't foxes, anyway
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20100412 16:37:23< Gambit> Oh I get it.
20100412 16:38:11< Gambit> You were referring to the phrases called out when launching missles?
20100412 16:38:22< Gambit> "not that missiles aren't foxes"
20100412 16:38:35< Blarumyrran> Uh what
20100412 16:38:46< Blarumyrran> What phrases.
20100412 16:38:49< Gambit> You know "fox 2"?
20100412 16:38:53< Blarumyrran> No
20100412 16:39:09< Gambit> Then I don't get it. :(
20100412 16:39:59< Blarumyrran> ... you can listen to radio at home
20100412 16:40:19< Blarumyrran> but you won't get bombed with missiles at home, unless it's some very special situation
20100412 16:40:20< Unnheulu> People wouldn't know to blackout...
20100412 16:40:29< Gambit> Yeah but what did you mean by "not that missiles aren't foxes"
20100412 16:40:47< Blarumyrran> that "<Gambit> Yeah I started typing that before the you mentioned foxes..."
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20100412 16:57:22< SekoIdiootti> why?
20100412 16:57:24< SekoIdiootti> oops
20100412 16:57:31< SekoIdiootti> sorry, wrong place :o
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20100412 17:19:31< Elsewise> How cool is it losing the first mission?
20100412 17:24:00< Gambit> I hate pascals triangle.
20100412 17:25:43< Elsewise> use combinations instead then
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20100412 17:30:26< shadowmaster> Gambit: could you please stop saying nonsense about me?
20100412 17:30:36< shadowmaster> you are really pushing it
20100412 17:32:00< Gambit> Okay.
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20100412 17:33:01< Gambit> Unnheulu: the non-nonsense truth is that he mentioned the "secret project" yesterday. "(8:05:52 PM) shadowmaster: and I go to continue working on my secret project."
20100412 17:34:16< shadowmaster> I actually have more than one secret project, some of them Wesnoth-related, some of them non-Wesnoth related; some of them are work-in-progress, others are in the planning stage, others are not even in the planning stage
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20100412 17:44:45< Gambit> Pidgin haters.
20100412 17:45:17< Gambit> It's a great program. Let's you combine all your chatty bs into one program.
20100412 17:45:48< shadowmaster> I dare you to go ask in #freenode whether Pidgin is a good client for experienced IRC users or not
20100412 17:46:56< Gambit> What makes it bad?
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20100412 17:49:46 * Gambit takes shadowmasters dare :o
20100412 17:50:05< Gambit> 3 no's in 8 seconds.
20100412 17:50:06< Unnheulu|Laptop> What was his dare?
20100412 17:50:13< Gambit> (11:45:41 AM) shadowmaster: I dare you to go ask in #freenode whether Pidgin is a good client for experienced IRC users or not
20100412 17:50:32< shadowmaster> Gambit: from network staff, no less ;)
20100412 17:50:41 * Unnheulu|Laptop joins to watch
20100412 17:50:48< Gambit> Well I've not come across any shortcomings yet.
20100412 17:50:53< Gambit> And they weren't specific.
20100412 17:50:55< Gambit> *At all*
20100412 17:51:08< shadowmaster> mquin can be very specific if he doesn't get distracted by actual duty :P
20100412 17:52:12< Gambit> (11:49:20 AM) Gambit: What's it missing?
20100412 17:52:15< Gambit> No response. :P
20100412 17:52:34< Gambit> Seems to me like one of those rumors that everyone perscribes to without actually looking into it.
20100412 17:52:57< Gambit> Like the high fructose corn syrup myth.
20100412 17:53:00< shadowmaster> no, I also give support to people on #freenode and hear about the actual problems
20100412 17:53:07< Unnheulu|Laptop> that's not a myth Gambit :)
20100412 17:53:07< Gambit> Or global warming. :)
20100412 17:53:17< Unnheulu|Laptop> Notice how there are more fat americans than europeans :)
20100412 17:53:33< Gambit> Unnheulu|Laptop: We have a better entertainment industry.
20100412 17:53:34< Gambit> Haha.
20100412 17:53:47< Unnheulu|Laptop> humm
20100412 17:53:55< Unnheulu|Laptop> Check out the eisteddfod
20100412 17:54:24< Gambit> I'm counting this as one point for pidgin. You can't say something is bad and not qualify it.
20100412 17:55:06< shadowmaster> Gambit: why did you leave?
20100412 17:55:15< Gambit> Unnheulu|Laptop: I don't mean to say your entertainment industry is bad. But America's is huge. There's so much to sit on your ass and stare at.
20100412 17:55:22< Unnheulu|Laptop> :D
20100412 17:55:41< Blarumyrran> Gambit, heroin is everywhere
20100412 17:55:49< Gambit> shadowmaster: Why did they actually start answering?
20100412 17:55:53< shadowmaster> it's not like you can expect people to answer immediately
20100412 17:55:56< Blarumyrran> And we can agree that heroin provides an experience better in short term than TV
20100412 17:56:03< shadowmaster> sometimes you can get an answer 30 minutes later if staff are too busy
20100412 17:56:08< Blarumyrran> Does that mean that countries with higher heroin usage are better
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20100412 17:57:29< Gambit> Blarumyrran: We have the A-Team :o
20100412 17:57:45< Blarumyrran> Gambit, ... yes we have A-team on TV also, how is it relevant
20100412 17:58:02< Gambit> I guess I shouldn't have called it better earlier.
20100412 17:58:52< Gambit> Huge channel is huge.
20100412 18:02:27< Gambit> They seriously can't answer.
20100412 18:02:48< shadowmaster> Gambit: spb is giving you a serious answer
20100412 18:03:08< Gambit> No he isn't.
20100412 18:03:19< shadowmaster> yes, he is.
20100412 18:03:22< Gambit> Just one thing that impedes on one's ability to communicate via IRC using Pidgin.
20100412 18:03:58< shadowmaster> Gambit: hey, you  can talk via Pidgin, I know, but I was very specific when I said "whether Pidgin is a good client for *experienced IRC users*"
20100412 18:04:26< Gambit> Which most people will not be, nor ever want/need to be.
20100412 18:04:54< Gambit> And now he is speaking of bugs of the past.
20100412 18:05:02< shadowmaster> bugs that shouldn't have existed.
20100412 18:05:24< Blarumyrran> Unlike bugs that should have
20100412 18:05:34< Gambit> So Wesnoth is a bad game of experienced strategy gamers because it [insert bug/missing feature]?
20100412 18:05:38< shadowmaster> mainly because as he said (consider that he's a charybdis, atheme, and ircd-seven developer) it didn't really implement IRC correctly
20100412 18:05:41< Unnheulu|Laptop> Bugs aren't bad
20100412 18:05:45< Unnheulu|Laptop> They are just a feature
20100412 18:05:47< shadowmaster> so it shouldn't call itself an IRC client
20100412 18:05:51< Unnheulu|Laptop> (tm)
20100412 18:06:15< shadowmaster> Wesnoth is not following or implementing existing standards so that's irrelevant
20100412 18:06:29< Gambit> Okay. It's a chat client that does IRC :\
20100412 18:06:39< shadowmaster> *tries to do IRC
20100412 18:07:10< shadowmaster> now you have the opinion of an experienced user, and a IRC server software developer. :P
20100412 18:07:20< Gambit> And succedes for most users.
20100412 18:07:32< shadowmaster> I said "experienced IRC users", already
20100412 18:07:43< shadowmaster> this includes channel operators
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20100412 18:13:34< Unnheulu|Laptop> hi
20100412 18:13:54< shadowmaster> hi Unnheulu|Laptop 
20100412 18:14:07 * Unnheulu|Laptop was saying hi to elias
20100412 18:14:11< Unnheulu|Laptop> I've been here ages :)
20100412 18:14:26< elias> hi Unnheulu 
20100412 18:18:06< SekoIdiootti> lol
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20100412 19:23:47< Unnheulu> Yay
20100412 19:23:54< Unnheulu> All functionality lost has been restored
20100412 19:24:04< Unnheulu> (arrgh, not offsets)
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20100412 20:02:25< Gambit> Awesome history shadowmaster.
20100412 20:04:43< Gambit> I'd love to see the full interview with Dave.
20100412 20:05:15< shadowmaster> maybe when I get enough feedback
20100412 20:05:29< shadowmaster> don't worry, the interview exists and it's sitting on my hard disk
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20100412 20:06:50< Gambit> Bah. Do I have to subscribe? :P
20100412 20:06:56< shadowmaster> subscribe?
20100412 20:07:16< Gambit> Well you just sounded like people on youtube who refuse to make new videos until they get so many ratings... :\
20100412 20:07:39< Gambit> "maybe when I get enough feedback"
20100412 20:08:02< Gambit> Anyway, very cool bit of work.
20100412 20:08:17< shadowmaster> I don't have any kind of subscription system (though people can comment, or subscribe to the RSS feeds with an appropraite client that is not Mozilla Firefox, etc.)
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20100412 20:08:37< Gambit> shadowmaster: It was just a joke. (tm)
20100412 20:08:48< shadowmaster> s.(RSS).Atom/$1.
20100412 20:08:59< Gambit> I wonder if this is the sort of thing that should be compiled in the wiki.
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20100412 20:10:42< shadowmaster> I reserve all my rights over the content on my site
20100412 20:11:31< shadowmaster> wow, I actually slipped a [url] into the entry body :/
20100412 20:12:02< Gambit> Any plans to stickify the thread?
20100412 20:12:16< Gambit> This just seems like something that belongs in a place of prominence. 
20100412 20:12:21< Unnheulu> woah wait hang on
20100412 20:12:25< Unnheulu> Thats...forest?
20100412 20:12:27< shadowmaster> not as an admin, no. And stickified threads tend to be ignored by people anyway
20100412 20:12:32 * Unnheulu always thought it was two forms of grass
20100412 20:12:32< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: exactly
20100412 20:12:33< Gambit> It's in depth, without being looooong and boring.
20100412 20:12:52< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: move your mouse over it and you'll notice that it reads forest in the sidebar
20100412 20:13:06< Unnheulu> ah ok
20100412 20:15:02< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: another things that's the same is elvish fighter unit cost
20100412 20:15:45< shadowmaster> I didn't want to be overly specific, so I didn't mention all of the differences/similarities(made up word alert)
20100412 20:15:52< Gambit> I think finding and listing everything that is the same is beyond the scope of the article.
20100412 20:16:04< shadowmaster> maybe when I examine 0.2 I'll include a comparative table
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20100412 20:17:45< Unnheulu> ok
20100412 20:20:48< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: You forgot to mention, and then Dave said, "let there be light", and there was light!
20100412 20:22:40< shadowmaster> I thought you had already inferred that I wanted it to be a rather serious review
20100412 20:23:02< Unnheulu> History of Wesnoth includes it :)
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20100412 20:23:27< shadowmaster> that's the history of Wesnoth/Irdya, not of the Battle for Wesnoth Prject
20100412 20:23:57< Unnheulu> :-)
20100412 20:24:03< shadowmaster> the point here is the Project. I feel that it's important to remind  people where we come from since the forumers are...uneasy after 1.8.0
20100412 20:24:38< shadowmaster> and what can be more dramatic than a 0.1 screenshot coupled with a 1.8 screenshot of the living incarnation of the same old map?
20100412 20:24:53< Unnheulu> :-D
20100412 20:25:02< shadowmaster> (answer: a shot in the head, which unfortunately I'm not allowed to apply to forumers)
20100412 20:25:08< Unnheulu> Its mostly new players (as it seems to me) who are complaining
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20100412 20:25:31< shadowmaster> yes, new players plus a few annoying regulars (not to be confused with members of the Forum Regulars group)
20100412 20:26:31< Unnheulu> JW was a Forum Regular...
20100412 20:26:33< Unnheulu> *was*
20100412 20:27:15< shadowmaster> let's not point at people names here.
20100412 20:27:55< shadowmaster> otherwise, the casual reader could infer that we have a grudge against them, which is not true
20100412 20:28:25< Unnheulu> humm
20100412 20:28:27< Unnheulu> bbiab
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20100412 21:00:43< Unnheulu> back
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20100412 21:16:49< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20100412 21:18:51< eichi> hello, someone knows, how to uninstall a winetricks package?
20100412 21:19:51< Soliton> wrong channel?
20100412 21:21:33< eichi> oh, yes, sorry ;D read about wesnoth and now this happend ;D
20100412 21:23:11 * eyerouge smiles.
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20100412 21:27:26< shadowmaster> Gambit: there, "all rights reserved" now. Explicitly
20100412 21:27:42< shadowmaster> I also reserve the right to breathe
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20100412 21:28:42< shadowmaster> um, wow, QtCurve's giving me an idea for the Dorset4 appearance
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20100412 21:49:26< ancestral> Anyone follow baseball?
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20100412 22:06:38 * Elsewise has succeeded in the first mission
20100412 22:06:50< Elsewise> ancestral, I play baseball :]
20100412 22:07:03< ancestral> Awesome
20100412 22:07:28< ancestral> Elsewise, Zarel: I'm across the street from Target Field
20100412 22:07:34< ancestral> Twins' new stadium
20100412 22:07:38< ancestral> First game there today
20100412 22:07:41< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: Qt4 going well?
20100412 22:07:52< shadowmaster> Qt4 is doing well as far as I can see.
20100412 22:07:56< Unnheulu> *learning :/
20100412 22:08:01< shadowmaster> that is, KDE4 runs- ah, learning
20100412 22:08:02< shadowmaster> no
20100412 22:08:14< Unnheulu> ah :(
20100412 22:08:19< shadowmaster> I have been distracted by RL.
20100412 22:08:20< Unnheulu> anyways, gtg
20100412 22:08:23< Unnheulu> bye
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20100412 22:08:35< Elsewise> ancestral, why aren't you at the game then?
20100412 22:09:02< ancestral> Are you kidding?
20100412 22:09:07< ancestral> It's impossible to get tix
20100412 22:09:10< ancestral> Unless I spend like $100
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20100412 22:10:16< Elsewise> ancestral, well, I'm not from the USA so I have no idea how things are done there :D
20100412 22:10:26< ancestral> Well typically it's easy to get tickets
20100412 22:10:26< ancestral> But
20100412 22:10:53< ancestral> It's the home opener, the first game in the new stadium, and it's beautiful weather
20100412 22:11:08< Elsewise> Who are they playing against?
20100412 22:11:41< ancestral> The Red Sox
20100412 22:12:03 * Elsewise tries to collect his jaw from the floor
20100412 22:12:44< ancestral> The Twins have an awesome team this year though, maybe their best team in 19 years
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20100412 22:14:02< Elsewise> well, we have a game this saturday, but our 1st baseman hasn't been training for the whole winter, and we haven't got a strong leftfielder, but I think will do good... NOT
20100412 22:14:11< ancestral> Hehe
20100412 22:14:20< ancestral> I was always on sucky teams when I was a kid
20100412 22:14:51< Elsewise> well, in my country all teams are sucky
20100412 22:14:58< Elsewise> baseball is at a very low level here
20100412 22:15:19< ancestral> Where are you from?
20100412 22:15:25< Elsewise> Latvia
20100412 22:15:47< ancestral> Cool
20100412 22:15:56< Elsewise> not too much
20100412 22:16:07< ancestral> I met a guy who was living in Latvia, on Friday or Saturday
20100412 22:16:21< Elsewise> In the US?
20100412 22:16:49< ancestral> Yeah he was from Wisconsin originally, he was back in the States for a week or two
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20100412 22:18:08< King_Elendil> How are you today shadowmaster?
20100412 22:18:20< ancestral> He had a problem with his iPhone, some dust under the glass and the camera, though I couldn't replace it because it was from Latvia but I replaced the glass
20100412 22:18:41< shadowmaster> King_Elendil: if I said "fine" whenever people ask me that I'd be a goddamn liar
20100412 22:18:46< shadowmaster> every day
20100412 22:18:49< King_Elendil> lol
20100412 22:18:53< ancestral> I guess you have to go to LAT to get it serviced
20100412 22:18:59< ancestral> LAT? LMT?
20100412 22:19:27< King_Elendil> sounds like your normal today then :p
20100412 22:19:55< Gambit> I don't buy it.
20100412 22:20:04< King_Elendil> buy what?
20100412 22:20:13< Gambit> That shadowmaster has a bad day every day.
20100412 22:20:20< ancestral> Who said anything about a "bad" day
20100412 22:20:24< King_Elendil> hi by the way :)
20100412 22:20:26< shadowmaster> Gambit: I give it to ya for $0
20100412 22:20:35< King_Elendil> lol
20100412 22:20:36< ancestral> Hey
20100412 22:20:38< Gambit> Nope.
20100412 22:20:46 * shadowmaster shoots Gambit in the head
20100412 22:20:53< Gambit> That's the new thing.
20100412 22:20:58 * King_Elendil hides
20100412 22:21:26< Gambit> When you use a one word sentance you get shot in the head.
20100412 22:21:54< King_Elendil> I think he just pretends to be an old grouch on the internet, or he really needs a nice vacation
20100412 22:21:56< Samwise> Random comment.
20100412 22:21:57< shadowmaster> Gambit: no
20100412 22:22:12 * ancestral is happy his laptop has another 6 hours of battery life left
20100412 22:22:14< shadowmaster> but I'd wanted to do (say) that to you since long ago :)
20100412 22:22:31< shadowmaster> ancestral: uh, how do you manage that?
20100412 22:22:41< Gambit> I've been bazooka'd, bitten, kicked, stabbed, had my throat slit, and now shot in the head.
20100412 22:22:53< shadowmaster> this laptop's battery never lasted more than 1:30 hours with Windows or Linux
20100412 22:22:55< King_Elendil> and none by me :)
20100412 22:23:09< shadowmaster> King_Elendil: who the hell is "he"?
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20100412 22:23:37< ancestral> shadowmaster: Silver-Zinc batteries in the MacBook Pros :)
20100412 22:23:50< Gambit> You just need a lot of cells and don't run anything :D
20100412 22:24:09< King_Elendil> um...no-one...?
20100412 22:24:17< shadowmaster> ancestral: ah. Macs.
20100412 22:24:20 * King_Elendil hides again
20100412 22:24:21 * shadowmaster shrugs
20100412 22:24:25< ancestral> Ah okay?
20100412 22:24:32< Gambit> He obviously meant SpoOky.
20100412 22:24:50< shadowmaster> ancestral: yeah, it's just that people who pay for those overly expensive computers always seem to get more than us poor Windows or Linux users :(
20100412 22:24:57< King_Elendil> Yeah, that's who lol :p
20100412 22:25:00< SpoOkyMagician> wha?
20100412 22:25:05< ancestral> shadowmaster: Maybe that's why they cost more
20100412 22:25:09< shadowmaster> :(
20100412 22:25:14< Gambit> Less in some areas.
20100412 22:25:31< shadowmaster> it's unfair. I want a revolution against the Apple empire
20100412 22:25:35< Gambit> Like... software or coolness :o
20100412 22:25:41< ancestral> Gambit: Actually if I brought up Wesnoth and started playing it would probably drop my estimated time left on the battery quite a bit
20100412 22:25:54< Gambit> ancestral: Yep.
20100412 22:26:11< Gambit> Battery life just sitting at the desktop is way higher than say... just typing in a text editor :\
20100412 22:26:14< King_Elendil> SpoOky: nothin' really about you
20100412 22:26:20< ancestral> shadowmaster: Wait, start a revolution because other people have it better than you?
20100412 22:26:26< ancestral> I feel like this has happened before in history
20100412 22:26:32< SpoOkyMagician> im just here to talk to zookeeper...
20100412 22:26:44< ancestral> In the form of pograms…
20100412 22:27:06< SpoOkyMagician> zookeeper: have you looked at the modifications to the patch yet?
20100412 22:27:08< Gambit> *pogrom
20100412 22:27:24< shadowmaster> ancestral: yeah :P
20100412 22:27:30< ancestral> Gambit: correct
20100412 22:27:46< shadowmaster> let's start the Free Hardware Emp-- er, Foundation
20100412 22:27:52< King_Elendil> SpoOkyMagician: Your terrain pack didn't work on my mac.
20100412 22:28:19< SpoOkyMagician> well i havent uploaded it to 1.8 yet so it doesnt matter
20100412 22:28:24< Gambit> SpoOkyMagician's addons are Windows exclusives.
20100412 22:28:28< Gambit> They require DX11.
20100412 22:28:50< King_Elendil> in 1.6.5, but I think I can fix it
20100412 22:29:02< King_Elendil> "DX11"?
20100412 22:29:17< SpoOkyMagician> they were msotly experimental... no clue if i wrote the code right but it worked
20100412 22:29:42< SpoOkyMagician> but i wont make more... i cannot get GIMP to run anymoe
20100412 22:29:46< SpoOkyMagician> anymore *
20100412 22:29:59< shadowmaster> SpoOkyMagician: you are on Windows?
20100412 22:30:04< SpoOkyMagician> yes
20100412 22:30:08< Gambit> Time to wipe >:[
20100412 22:30:10< shadowmaster> SpoOkyMagician: try deleting or renaming the GIMP dir
20100412 22:30:15< shadowmaster> I mean the preferences dir
20100412 22:30:20< SpoOkyMagician> i tried all that
20100412 22:30:28< SpoOkyMagician> it gives me a dll error
20100412 22:30:29< Gambit> Time to backup/wipe clean.
20100412 22:30:37< shadowmaster> SpoOkyMagician: reinstalled the GIMP?
20100412 22:30:42< SpoOkyMagician> yea yea
20100412 22:30:47< King_Elendil> With some things made on a PC, I have to copy the text to a new file (without changes) in order to get them to work.
20100412 22:30:58< King_Elendil> didn't do that yet...
20100412 22:31:01< shadowmaster> excuse me, I still can't get over the fact that Windows users need to reinstall system files so often.
20100412 22:31:01< Gambit> Have you tried the art program formerly known as the GIMP?
20100412 22:31:02< SpoOkyMagician> it screwed up ever since myth showed me how to run wesnoth trunk
20100412 22:31:27< Gambit> shadowmaster: it's just anually.
20100412 22:31:29< Gambit> Not that bad.
20100412 22:31:56< shadowmaster> Gambit: I haven't reinstalled the OS on this laptop since I bought it :x
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20100412 22:31:59< shadowmaster> Xmas 2008
20100412 22:32:00< SpoOkyMagician> meh, the computer is fine other than that. besides, i can always borrow my bros computer and use it or just install linux
20100412 22:32:04< SpoOkyMagician> or w/e
20100412 22:32:08< Gambit> Full OS install once a year is nothing if you're prepared for it.
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20100412 22:32:38< Gambit> You could probably get away with 2-3 years if you don't have a speed fetish.
20100412 22:32:47< shadowmaster> I really can't imagine how Windows users can become sysadmins.
20100412 22:32:56< Gambit> And most users are just fine with never reinstalling the OS.
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20100412 22:33:06< SpoOkyMagician> heh with my bros computer, i wiped it, updated, and the next day it got a virus... ave.exe...
20100412 22:33:20< Gambit> lol viruses.
20100412 22:33:22< ancestral> Heh, viruses…
20100412 22:33:23< Gambit> I used to get those.
20100412 22:33:30< ancestral> I never got those
20100412 22:33:35< King_Elendil> bye ;)
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20100412 22:33:44< Gambit> But then I got AVG.
20100412 22:33:54< ancestral> Then I did nothing and I still got none
20100412 22:34:09< shadowmaster> SpoOkyMagician: did you check that your problem wasn't listed at http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/faq.html anyway?
20100412 22:34:11< Gambit> "did nothing" optimal words with macs :P
20100412 22:34:18< SpoOkyMagician> (checks)
20100412 22:34:35 * Gambit picks on macs software selection some more
20100412 22:34:40< ancestral> Gambit: Haha
20100412 22:35:06< Gambit> Actually 2-3 years ago I was considering buying one.
20100412 22:35:22< SpoOkyMagician> i remember reading that but it didnt help
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20100412 22:35:26< Gambit> But then I noticed that no software I had bought that last year listed system requirements for Mac.
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20100412 22:35:55< Gambit> And then I noticed how expensive they were.
20100412 22:36:08< Gambit> And then I heard stories about how they are notoriously impossible to fix if something does go wrong.
20100412 22:36:13< ancestral> Yay 1-0
20100412 22:36:41< SpoOkyMagician> but the thing is i get a dll error but i checked the directory and i have the dll
20100412 22:36:52< SpoOkyMagician> i also read somewhere that gimp doesnt work with 64 bit
20100412 22:37:01< SpoOkyMagician> but idk why... i ran it awhile back
20100412 22:37:16< elias> 64-bit color maybe
20100412 22:37:22< elias> it still only supports 32-bit
20100412 22:37:23< shadowmaster> 64-bit color? o O
20100412 22:37:28< ancestral> 2-0
20100412 22:37:43< elias> yes, 32-bit aren't enough for a lot of things
20100412 22:37:55< shadowmaster> I've noticed
20100412 22:37:55< elias> i'd prefer 32-bit per component (so 128-bit per pixel)
20100412 22:37:59< SpoOkyMagician> well im no expert with that stuff... this is my first 64 bit windows OS
20100412 22:38:06< Gambit> It's like... why buy a car that's twice as expensive as it's competition that you're only allowed drive on a handful of roads.
20100412 22:38:07< SpoOkyMagician> i generally had 32bit
20100412 22:38:11< elias> but yeah, has nothing to do with 64-bit OS :P
20100412 22:38:15< Gambit> Color != OS :\
20100412 22:38:29< ancestral> 64-bit color? Zwa?
20100412 22:38:32< SpoOkyMagician> yea i wasnt refering to that
20100412 22:38:37< SpoOkyMagician> just os
20100412 22:38:41< ancestral> IIRC some scanners have 40-bit color
20100412 22:38:42< SpoOkyMagician> afk a moment
20100412 22:39:09< SpoOkyMagician> back
20100412 22:39:55< Gambit> Apparently there is one graphics card out there that supports 64 bit color
20100412 22:40:07< Gambit> According to wikipedia (which is always right!!!)
20100412 22:40:17< SpoOkyMagician> lol
20100412 22:40:59< Gambit> It can be yours for only $1999
20100412 22:41:04< ancestral> Pennies!
20100412 22:41:21< Gambit> Note dollar sign.
20100412 22:41:59< ancestral> It's like pennies to a person who's seeking 64-bit color
20100412 22:42:11< Gambit> True.
20100412 22:42:16< Gambit> That's over twice my entire computer :\
20100412 22:42:33< SpoOkyMagician> any idea what to do with my 390GB harddrive free space? >.<
20100412 22:42:40< Blarumyrran> I think 8-bit is okay already for almost all purposes :/
20100412 22:42:41< shadowmaster> SpoOkyMagician: nuke it
20100412 22:42:43< SpoOkyMagician> i rarely ever use my space
20100412 22:42:46< SpoOkyMagician> lol
20100412 22:42:47< shadowmaster> SpoOkyMagician: NO WAIT give it to me!
20100412 22:42:51< ancestral> Gambit: Clearly it's not for you
20100412 22:42:53< SpoOkyMagician> lol
20100412 22:42:56< shadowmaster> SpoOkyMagician: is it a desktop-class HDD?
20100412 22:43:02< SpoOkyMagician> yes
20100412 22:43:18< ancestral> Your'e not part of the Colorati
20100412 22:43:19 * shadowmaster uses his sheer awesomeness to teleport SpoOkyMagician's HDD to his hands
20100412 22:43:29< SpoOkyMagician> lol
20100412 22:43:57< SpoOkyMagician> only using 60GB atm
20100412 22:44:11< SpoOkyMagician> most of that is the os of course...
20100412 22:44:14< Gambit> Apparently soon we'll have harddrives the size of the human brain.
20100412 22:45:04< SpoOkyMagician> heh
20100412 22:45:18< zookeeper> SpoOkyMagician, i glanced at it briefly so far, but i'
20100412 22:45:27< zookeeper> but i'll probably look into it more tomorrow
20100412 22:45:28< SpoOkyMagician> ah hi
20100412 22:45:32< SpoOkyMagician> ok
20100412 22:45:37< Gambit> storage wise that is...
20100412 22:45:45< Gambit> I think we already have ones as big as the human brain physically ;)
20100412 22:46:18< ancestral> Gambit: But 64K is all anyone will ever need!
20100412 22:46:28< Gambit> ?
20100412 22:46:30< SpoOkyMagician> lol
20100412 22:46:36< SpoOkyMagician> isnt that what bill said
20100412 22:46:50< Gambit> ah. I see.
20100412 22:47:32< ancestral> oops 640K
20100412 22:47:34< SpoOkyMagician> i heard that in college. (not that i know much about him except the common 'borrowed/stole' thing)
20100412 22:47:35< ancestral> I should get it right
20100412 22:48:56< zookeeper> SpoOkyMagician, the number of lines you managed to squeeze that to looks rather nice.
20100412 22:49:12< SpoOkyMagician> thank you... it took me 5-6 hours...
20100412 22:49:15< SpoOkyMagician> >.<
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20100412 22:49:30< SpoOkyMagician> :P
20100412 22:49:40< SpoOkyMagician> but it needed to be done nonetheless
20100412 22:50:07< zookeeper> SpoOkyMagician, so, does it have other gameplay/rule changes than the ones already listed in the patch report on gna?
20100412 22:50:09< SpoOkyMagician> as i pointed out in comments you may have to add extra arguments
20100412 22:50:38< SpoOkyMagician> other then the ones i listed/you changed, its the same
20100412 22:50:53< SpoOkyMagician> btw, what happened to the level 3 units?
20100412 22:50:58< SpoOkyMagician> i didnt see them
20100412 22:51:04< SpoOkyMagician> in your fix
20100412 22:51:14< SpoOkyMagician> when i edited it
20100412 22:51:18< zookeeper> what level 3 units?
20100412 22:51:31< SpoOkyMagician> the level 3 orcs/undead
20100412 22:51:52< zookeeper> i have no idea of anything like that
20100412 22:52:17< SpoOkyMagician> hmm... lemme look again... maybe i just of missed it. (refering to the allow_recruit)
20100412 22:52:45< zookeeper> anyway, i think i have a few questions..
20100412 22:53:27< SpoOkyMagician> ok
20100412 22:53:34< zookeeper> firstly, could you just briefly summarize what "1: auto research was removed completely. Manual research works just as good anyhow." changes?
20100412 22:53:59< SpoOkyMagician> well, i just dont see the need for auto research
20100412 22:54:04< SpoOkyMagician> its only more lines
20100412 22:54:11< SpoOkyMagician> and events
20100412 22:54:19< zookeeper> i don't even know what auto research is
20100412 22:54:25< SpoOkyMagician> well -
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20100412 22:54:37< SpoOkyMagician> auto research continued researching from each turn
20100412 22:54:57< zookeeper> yeah, so researching warfare took X turns to finish
20100412 22:54:58< SpoOkyMagician> in mine, you just research manually every turn.
20100412 22:55:38< zookeeper> umm...so if you want to research warfare, you actually have to do the same clicking every turn, and if you forget, you wasted your research?
20100412 22:55:53< SpoOkyMagician> yea. but its not like you will forget
20100412 22:56:00< SpoOkyMagician> you can always use the n key
20100412 22:56:12< SpoOkyMagician> and if you forget, its the players fault
20100412 22:56:35< zookeeper> i'm pretty sure it originally was like that, and someone added the auto research because it's annoying to do it manually..
20100412 22:56:54< SpoOkyMagician> how is it annoying? it takes like 30 seconds...
20100412 22:57:01< SpoOkyMagician> its not like you are gonna get 5+ mages...
20100412 22:57:03< zookeeper> i'm not gonna explain it
20100412 22:57:05< zookeeper> anyway, second question
20100412 22:57:06< SpoOkyMagician> if you do...
20100412 22:57:09< SpoOkyMagician> ok
20100412 22:57:37< zookeeper> why did you change things so that a worker needs 1 MP to be able to do work?
20100412 22:57:48< SpoOkyMagician> well... that is wml related...
20100412 22:57:59< zookeeper> it used to be like that and i changed it because that too was annoying :p
20100412 22:58:11< SpoOkyMagician> when i rewrote the status thing, for some reason, the var "worked" would only work once
20100412 22:58:23< SpoOkyMagician> for the unit
20100412 22:58:31< SpoOkyMagician> i tried to clear/reset the var but it didnt work
20100412 22:58:46< SpoOkyMagician> and i thought -
20100412 22:58:52< SpoOkyMagician> why not just use unit.moves?
20100412 22:59:05< SpoOkyMagician> since that s a var and since that you can only do one action -
20100412 22:59:16< SpoOkyMagician> why not use that? (since moves is reset to 0)
20100412 22:59:29< SpoOkyMagician> but the downside is of course moves == 0
20100412 22:59:57< Blarumyrran> You have to plan moves much more carefully that way
20100412 23:00:28< SpoOkyMagician> indeed. but with research ends up being a turn earlier then before
20100412 23:00:34< SpoOkyMagician> (forgot to mention that sorry)
20100412 23:00:41< SpoOkyMagician> so it helps balance that
20100412 23:01:13< zookeeper> well, the auto-research definitely needs to come back
20100412 23:01:17< SpoOkyMagician> ei: before you had to wait a turn to actually complete the research. now you get it that turn
20100412 23:01:22< zookeeper> the worker thing i can probably trivially add back
20100412 23:01:32< SpoOkyMagician> well good luck...
20100412 23:01:36< SpoOkyMagician> i couldnt get it to work
20100412 23:01:44< SpoOkyMagician> it worked one time and thats it
20100412 23:01:49< SpoOkyMagician> per unit
20100412 23:02:21< SpoOkyMagician> i cleared the variable, killed/changed it, and anything else i could think of...
20100412 23:02:32< SpoOkyMagician> i even rewrote it exactly the same as ANL
20100412 23:02:38< SpoOkyMagician> and it did the same thing
20100412 23:02:39< zookeeper> well, i haven't heard of it not working before
20100412 23:02:51< SpoOkyMagician> i know... that is what confused me
20100412 23:03:45< SpoOkyMagician> but then again this was in 1.6.5 and 1.7.15...
20100412 23:03:50< SpoOkyMagician> no idea about 1.8...
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20100412 23:05:25< SpoOkyMagician> as far as all those events go zookeeper, are you just gonna leave them as is?
20100412 23:05:35< SpoOkyMagician> (messages, mines, etc)
20100412 23:05:46< zookeeper> i suppose?
20100412 23:06:04< SpoOkyMagician> it be nice to lower the lines but there isnt much to do to lower that
20100412 23:06:59< zookeeper> yeah, well sure i might split them into more files, maybe
20100412 23:07:08< SpoOkyMagician> ok
20100412 23:07:44< SpoOkyMagician> but yea good luck/respect if you get the status thing working
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20100412 23:58:09< Gambit> SpoOkyMagician: People are going to start asking about these bruises.
20100412 23:58:29< SpoOkyMagician> lol
20100412 23:58:42< SpoOkyMagician> btw
20100412 23:58:49< SpoOkyMagician> i made a comment on your tutorial thing
20100412 23:59:14< SpoOkyMagician> (i dont mean anything bad about it but i think you should get the point)
20100412 23:59:33< Gambit> Is it a menu complaint? [raised eyebrow emoticon]
20100412 23:59:42< SpoOkyMagician> no just more topic related
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