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20100414 01:39:10< philstar> elias: what problems did you meet?
20100414 01:40:46< philstar> Soliton: how did it suck?
20100414 02:09:18< philstar> okay, anybody else got information about Wesbowl sucking?
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20100414 02:36:14< Gambit> Bull crap is bull.
20100414 02:42:17< Gambit> Zerovirus: cool art.
20100414 02:42:20< Gambit> bbl.
20100414 02:42:38< Zerovirus> Uh, why would you suddenly state the obvious redundant qualities of bull crap?
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20100414 02:49:29< Gambit> Aaaand we're back.
20100414 02:49:38< Zerovirus> Repeat above question.
20100414 02:49:39< Gambit> Wow that was... really short. :\
20100414 02:50:02< Gambit> Zerovirus: Something was ticking me off :o
20100414 02:50:13< Zerovirus> Uh, okay. Want to share or not?
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20100414 02:51:15< Gambit> Users complaining about the developers, the moderation staff, the new art.
20100414 02:51:24< Gambit> Unappreciative bat rastards.
20100414 02:51:30< Zerovirus> Yup.
20100414 02:51:36< Zerovirus> Kinda the same sentiment I had 5 days ago.
20100414 02:51:48< Gambit> That's all the user's forum has been for the past two and a half weeks.
20100414 02:52:04< Zerovirus> Ayup.
20100414 02:52:12< Zerovirus> Hence why I don't hang there much anymore.
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20100414 04:38:56< King_Elendil> silence...
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20100414 04:41:43< Gambit> That's what you get for disturbing the silence.
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20100414 04:42:58< ancestral> Blueblaze: Hi!
20100414 04:43:52< ancestral> You must be on the phone
20100414 04:45:34< Blueblaze> hi
20100414 04:46:01< ancestral> Oh wrong forum haha
20100414 04:46:52< Gambit> Wow. Wrong period ancestral. This is IRC. ;)
20100414 04:47:02< Gambit> (jk)
20100414 04:47:57< ancestral> :-P
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20100414 04:51:23< Gambit> ancestral: I can't believe people bumped your idea thread just to complain about how it would affect gameplay...
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20100414 04:51:46< ancestral> Where?
20100414 04:52:04< Gambit> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=421479#p421479
20100414 04:52:25< ancestral> Thank you
20100414 04:52:45< ancestral> I'm going to close it
20100414 04:52:58< ancestral> rather, ask someone to close it
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20100414 04:55:48< King_Elendil> Hi ancestral
20100414 04:56:39< ancestral> Hey
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20100414 05:00:00< King_Elendil> sorry about that :( . what's up?
20100414 05:00:35< ancestral> No problem
20100414 05:01:03< ancestral> Well, I'm stoked about AI putting in support for JavaScript Object Notation format for wmlparser
20100414 05:01:30< King_Elendil> can you translate to simple talk? lol ;)
20100414 05:04:22< Gambit> ancestral: Wha?
20100414 05:04:31< ancestral> Okay'
20100414 05:04:33< ancestral> So
20100414 05:04:42< Gambit> Are you saying the AI modded the game and added javascript support?
20100414 05:04:44< ancestral> How the Bestiary works is this
20100414 05:04:52< Gambit> OH AI the person.
20100414 05:04:56< Gambit> It all makes sense now.
20100414 05:04:59< King_Elendil> lol
20100414 05:05:00< Gambit> I think.
20100414 05:05:02< ancestral> Gambit: Almost! He modded a tool to export the files
20100414 05:05:04< ancestral> Yeah
20100414 05:05:11< Gambit> Yeah. I get it.
20100414 05:05:17< ancestral> But if Wesnoth was a sentient being…
20100414 05:05:29< ancestral> Wow, would be amazing
20100414 05:05:46< Gambit> King_Elendil: simple talk: AI (the person) made a tool to turn unit cfgs into something more easily managable by web designers.
20100414 05:06:17< King_Elendil> oh, cool
20100414 05:06:19< Gambit> Which is excellent news for ancestral who happens to be making a new (better?) version of units.wesnoth.org
20100414 05:06:29< Gambit> Good night 'noth.
20100414 05:06:40< King_Elendil> yes better, and I'm trying to help him
20100414 05:06:49< King_Elendil> 'night
20100414 05:06:55< King_Elendil> (:
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20100414 05:07:38< ancestral> Yes
20100414 05:07:49< ancestral> So JSON is a formatting
20100414 05:07:55< ancestral> Kinda like WML is formatting
20100414 05:08:04< King_Elendil> oh
20100414 05:08:24< ancestral> So anyway, because it's built into wmlparser, which is a tool that is bundled with Wesnoth builds, this makes generating the files so easy
20100414 05:08:57< King_Elendil> good :)
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20100414 05:30:02< King_Elendil> ancestral, how did you get that black  stone/crumpled paper texture that you used in the bestiary?
20100414 05:30:12< ancestral> I did a massive search
20100414 05:30:15< ancestral> for it
20100414 05:30:24< King_Elendil> can yo PM it to me?
20100414 05:30:30< King_Elendil> *you
20100414 05:30:39< ancestral> I actually don't know, 100% that it is GPL, CC, or Public Domain
20100414 05:30:59< ancestral> I probably would need to seek the author or find a different one that is
20100414 05:31:06< King_Elendil> oh
20100414 05:31:17< ancestral> FWIW it's a small graphic not used for commercial purposes
20100414 05:31:45< King_Elendil> "FWIW"? I'll start looking for one now then...
20100414 05:31:52< ancestral> For what it's wortj
20100414 05:31:54< ancestral> *worth
20100414 05:32:02< King_Elendil> oh
20100414 05:32:23< ancestral> http://mproud.com/wesnoth/bestiary/images/stone.jpg
20100414 05:32:43< ancestral> But hey, if you find something better, I'm all ears
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20100414 06:17:26< ancestral> King_Elendil: did you just send me something?
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20100414 07:41:13< Eam_> Hi!  :)
20100414 07:42:47< Eam_> Does autotools find lua when one configure, or is there a special option switch one has to use for it to do that?
20100414 07:45:43< Eam_> I know on the developmental version configure said "perhaps you should use pkgconfig path", but lua does not put any .pc files in pkgconfig- so that was misleading.
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20100414 07:46:56< Eam_> Does autotools find lua on Wesnoth-1.8 or is there an option switch that ./configure -- help does not mention?
20100414 07:47:29< Eam_> Anyone know who that would work before I go to compile it?
20100414 07:48:40< Eam_> I read when I was surfing someone may have thrown in a "disable lua" switch if that means anything?
20100414 07:49:55< Eam_> I guess everyone is asleep, huh?
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20100414 07:50:42< Eam_> Oh well, I'll find out about the lua stuff when I attempt to compile it.  :)
20100414 07:52:47< Eam_> Bye.
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20100414 10:10:43< Ivanovic> moin
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20100414 13:31:33< [1]elf> hi
20100414 13:31:48< [1]elf> is there a way to manual upload the add-ons?
20100414 13:36:52< [1]elf> anyone there?
20100414 13:36:58< [1]elf> ANYONE?
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20100414 14:00:20< norbert_> it'll be interesting to see what rating Isar's Cross will eventually have http://www.wsrsw.org/addon.php?name=4p%20-%20Isar%27s%20Cross
20100414 14:00:42< norbert_> I personally don't like that map at all, but others seem to be real fans
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20100414 14:08:56< shadowmaster> it's useful.
20100414 14:09:02< shadowmaster> not cool, but useful (I mean the map)
20100414 14:10:09< norbert_> useful to test skills, you mean?
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20100414 14:11:18< elf_hacker> hi
20100414 14:11:33< shadowmaster> norbert_: no, not skills
20100414 14:11:49< elf_hacker> is there a way to manual upload addons
20100414 14:12:02< shadowmaster> the map is said to be unbalanced. It's more useful for having quick matches just for fun IMO
20100414 14:12:15< shadowmaster> elf_hacker: what do you mean by "manual"?
20100414 14:12:32< elf_hacker> I have no Internet access at the PC where I play
20100414 14:12:53< shadowmaster> um. Is it a large add-on?
20100414 14:12:54< elf_hacker> 	=:(
20100414 14:13:01< elf_hacker> yes
20100414 14:13:11< elf_hacker> I have a lot of
20100414 14:13:33< elf_hacker> They are campaigns
20100414 14:14:26< elf_hacker> Still there?
20100414 14:14:48< shadowmaster> yes
20100414 14:15:16< shadowmaster> there's no easy way to upload campaigns without the Wesnoth client, or the wesnoth_addon_manager script
20100414 14:15:33< elf_hacker> :s
20100414 14:15:46< norbert_> elf_hacker: if you have friends, maybe they can upload for you
20100414 14:16:03< norbert_> if you have no friends, maybe ask someone on IRC to do it for you
20100414 14:16:04< shadowmaster> you could probably find a way to carry python and the wesnoth_addon_manager script and its dependencies with you in a USB pendrive or something, though
20100414 14:16:20< shadowmaster> or that.
20100414 14:16:29< elf_hacker> Great! How can it be done?
20100414 14:17:00< elf_hacker> How do I obtain the script
20100414 14:17:33< elf_hacker> norbert, sorry I did't understand you
20100414 14:17:43< norbert_> it appears to be in /data/tools/
20100414 14:17:53< elf_hacker> ok...
20100414 14:18:21< norbert_> elf_hacker: just send the files to someone you trust and that person can upload your files
20100414 14:19:00< elf_hacker> wait... I have the addons on a CD. I want to play them in a computer without Internet
20100414 14:19:16< elf_hacker> I don't want to upload in internet
20100414 14:19:21< elf_hacker> but in my PC
20100414 14:19:28< norbert_> eh?
20100414 14:19:33< shadowmaster> you were first asking about how to upload them :|
20100414 14:19:33< norbert_> what exactly do you want to do
20100414 14:19:38< elf_hacker> perhaps uplaod is not the right word
20100414 14:19:43< norbert_> perhaps not
20100414 14:19:52< norbert_> you want to download them?
20100414 14:19:53< elf_hacker> ok
20100414 14:20:01< elf_hacker> I have downloaded them
20100414 14:20:02< norbert_> go to http://addons.wesnoth.org/
20100414 14:20:07< elf_hacker> but how to play
20100414 14:20:32< norbert_> "PS: If you really have to download an add-on from here uncompress it to the userdata/data/campaigns/ directory for wesnoth to find it."
20100414 14:20:42< shadowmaster> where userdata is something mentioned in http://wiki.wesnoth.org/EditingWesnoth#Where_is_my_user_data_directory.3F
20100414 14:20:43< norbert_> in 1.8 userdata/data/addons
20100414 14:20:51< zookeeper> add-ons, not addons
20100414 14:20:52< shadowmaster> norbert_: varies, he'd better check the link
20100414 14:21:04< shadowmaster> and what zookeeper says, too
20100414 14:21:06< norbert_> sounds good
20100414 14:21:39< elf_hacker> thank you guys :*
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20100414 14:53:38< King_Elendil> Jarkko_
20100414 14:53:49< King_Elendil> you there?
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20100414 15:18:43< Gambit> norbert_: Awesome website!
20100414 15:18:59< norbert_> thanks Gambit, glad you like it
20100414 15:21:15< Gambit> norbert_: The comments entry text box holds 3 more characters than the comments display box.
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20100414 15:23:56< norbert_> I probably know what up there, html chars are converted
20100414 15:24:04< norbert_> so & becomes &amp; and that takes more space
20100414 15:24:15< norbert_> whre did you comment?
20100414 15:24:17< norbert_> *where
20100414 15:26:59< shadowmaster> norbert_: re http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=421684#p421684
20100414 15:27:08< shadowmaster> your bug report has a chance of being rejected then. Iceweasel is maintained by Debian and it'd be better to report to them first unless you can confirm it's an upstream issue with Mozilla Firefox 3.0.6 under Linux in general.
20100414 15:27:48< shadowmaster> Mozilla Foundation isn't very friendly with unapproved versions of their crap- applications AFAIK
20100414 15:28:31< shadowmaster> (and yes, Iceweasel is not an approved version as far as they care or it'd have never needed to be renamed in the first place)
20100414 15:29:03< norbert_> Gambit: I've fixed it and updated your comment (added "ved")
20100414 15:29:06< shadowmaster> if you got Iceweasel from a different distribution replace Debian with your distributor
20100414 15:30:00< norbert_> shadowmaster: I got it from Debian stable repos
20100414 15:31:12< shadowmaster> then you should have reported to Debian instead
20100414 15:31:59< norbert_> well, I discussed it with a dev in #firefox
20100414 15:32:05< norbert_> and he knew I was using Debian GNU/Linux
20100414 15:32:10< shadowmaster> ah, well.
20100414 15:32:25< norbert_> it's probably okay like this; if they think not, I will re-report it with the Debian folks
20100414 15:34:39< norbert_> Gambit: the GEB Big Map is pretty insane in size :)
20100414 15:34:51< norbert_> Gambit: the screenshot is 80% JPEG and still 32 MB or so
20100414 15:36:55< Gambit> :$
20100414 15:38:11< norbert_> just noticed another small bug
20100414 15:38:12< Gambit> oh my... I didn't realize the thumbnails went to fullsize screenshots
20100414 15:38:38< Gambit> How did you capture that?!?
20100414 15:39:00< Gambit> You have a 20kx20k resolution or something?
20100414 15:39:02< Gambit> Or you pieced it?
20100414 15:39:03< norbert_> Wesnoth was shortcuts for it
20100414 15:39:09< Gambit> Oh.
20100414 15:39:11< norbert_> *has
20100414 15:39:21< shadowmaster> mwahaha
20100414 15:39:29< shadowmaster> finally something that everyone but Gambit knows
20100414 15:39:33< Gambit> It even captured the items that get placed at prestart.
20100414 15:40:02< Gambit> shadowmaster: You know there's something everyone but you knows too right?
20100414 15:40:40< shadowmaster> yeah :P
20100414 15:41:01< shadowmaster> a lot, actually
20100414 15:42:10< norbert_> the order by isn't working properly
20100414 15:42:28< norbert_> #Favorited, to be exact
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20100414 15:42:41< norbert_> will fix it
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20100414 15:45:55< Gambit> Conversely there's probably many things you or I know that nobody else in here does.
20100414 15:46:00< Gambit> Like our favorite colors, or meats.
20100414 15:46:23< shadowmaster> Gambit: yah, thanks for taking it completely out of context.
20100414 15:46:33< shadowmaster> I was talking in terms of mainline features.
20100414 15:46:39< Gambit> Oh.
20100414 15:47:08< shadowmaster> it's perfectly understandable since those lazy devs don't maintain the changelogs since 1.0
20100414 15:47:31< Gambit> 1.8 didn't even get a players changelog.
20100414 15:47:36< Gambit> I think it had the in depth one.
20100414 15:47:44< Gambit> But it didn't look big enough to be everything.
20100414 15:47:52< Blarumyrran> It's never everything
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20100414 15:48:08< Gambit> Hence shadowmasters point above.
20100414 15:48:11< shadowmaster> shikadibot: file /branches/1.8/players_changelog
20100414 15:48:11< shikadibot> Web interface URL to file /branches/1.8/players_changelog: 
20100414 15:48:21< shadowmaster> shikadibot: die.
20100414 15:48:26< Gambit> ha.
20100414 15:48:37< shadowmaster> Gambit: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/branches/1.8/players_changelog?view=log
20100414 15:49:03< Gambit> 404!
20100414 15:49:08< Gambit> jk, but it's taking forever.
20100414 15:49:26< shadowmaster> not for me
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20100414 15:50:04< shadowmaster> you may prefer the more direct http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/wesnoth/branches/1.8/players_changelog
20100414 15:50:12< Gambit> Cool.
20100414 15:50:34< Gambit> So it had it.
20100414 15:50:40< Gambit> It just wasn't in the announcement.
20100414 15:50:48< shadowmaster> yes, for some odd reason.
20100414 15:50:55< shadowmaster> feel free to bug Ivanovic about it
20100414 15:51:01< Gambit> So lazy people like me started assuming things.
20100414 15:51:10< shadowmaster> (won't get fixed until the next stable series' release announcement, though!)
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20100414 16:00:18< Gambit> One year from now I expect this bug to be fixed! ;)
20100414 16:00:44 * Gambit wonders if he will still be here in a year.
20100414 16:02:09< Gambit> Probably. If only to bug shadowmaster. :D
20100414 16:03:17< Gambit> Blarumyrran: I just finished the book I was reading. Turns out Bane didn't die. He took over the body of his would be killer in the last moment and is now pretending to be her. :o
20100414 16:03:36< Gambit> If he kept that up for 1000 years, palpatine could be Bane for all we know...
20100414 16:04:26< norbert_> Gambit: changed author to Light for that scenario
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20100414 16:18:28< Gambit> norbert_: Thanks.
20100414 16:18:50< Gambit> That was one of the last times I talked to Light. :(
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20100414 16:46:03< Unnheulu|Laptop> Ugh
20100414 16:46:21< Unnheulu|Laptop> 15pages if maths coursework to do for tomorrow
20100414 16:46:36< Gambit> I have to leave today for 4 hours solid of state testing -_-
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20100414 16:47:00 * Unnheulu|Laptop thinks he's going to allow himself one knew feature of code per 3 pages
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20100414 16:47:25< Gambit> And a strip of bacon on every other.
20100414 16:47:33< Gambit> That'll keep you motivated!
20100414 16:47:49< Gambit> Unless you're not allowed to eat pork.
20100414 16:47:53< Unnheulu|Laptop> ...
20100414 16:48:21< Gambit> What? Bacon is an excellent motivator.
20100414 16:48:37< Unnheulu|Laptop> Not to mention fatty...
20100414 16:48:42< Unnheulu|Laptop> ;P
20100414 16:49:05 * Gambit should have seen that coming...
20100414 16:49:39< Gambit> It's not as bad if you do it right. Some people leave it floppy and gross, but if you cook it till it's crunchy most of the grease is out.
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20100414 16:51:32< Gambit> And there's always turkey bacon+excercise. if you're that worried.
20100414 16:51:54< Unnheulu|Laptop> Turkey and bacon?
20100414 16:51:56< Unnheulu|Laptop> Eww
20100414 16:52:03< Gambit> No. It's bacon made from turkey meat.
20100414 16:52:07< Gambit> Instead of pigs.
20100414 16:52:11< Gambit> Not nearly as fatty.
20100414 16:52:25< Gambit> Instead of being fat with a strip of meat, it's meat with a tiny stripe of fat in the middle.
20100414 16:52:27< Unnheulu|Laptop> hmm
20100414 16:52:31< Gambit> Almost entirely meat.
20100414 16:52:42< Unnheulu|Laptop> Is it genetically modified?
20100414 16:52:49< Gambit> No.
20100414 16:52:51< Unnheulu|Laptop> Your distracting me! :P
20100414 16:53:09< Gambit> And so my brilliant plan is revealed. ;)
20100414 16:53:27< Gambit> Unnheulu|Laptop: I should get to work too... I have other school to get accomplished before these stupid exams...
20100414 16:53:31< Gambit> Bye
20100414 16:53:56< Unnheulu|Laptop> Bye
20100414 16:54:12 * Unnheulu|Laptop has exams soon, just normal ones luckily
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20100414 16:54:22< Unnheulu|Laptop> No GCSE's till after Christmas
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20100414 16:54:44< Unnheulu|Laptop> or A levels till the year after that
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20100414 16:55:48< Unnheulu|Laptop> Ugh I give up
20100414 16:55:52< Unnheulu|Laptop> I'm doing this on paper
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20100414 17:48:28< shadowmaster> bleh, my webcam now records grayscale :|
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20100414 17:56:21< Gambit> That's a feature!
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20100414 17:56:31< Unnheulu> artisticdude: What if someone is raped?
20100414 17:56:46< Gambit> Force them to marry their rapist.
20100414 17:56:46< artisticdude> I... beg your pardon?
20100414 17:56:49< Gambit> Otherwise stone them to death.
20100414 17:57:05< artisticdude> I feel so welcomed... :P
20100414 17:57:10< Unnheulu> artisticdude: must they have the child then?
20100414 17:57:11< shadowmaster> yes, that was odd
20100414 17:57:24< artisticdude> I believe they should, yes
20100414 17:57:27< shadowmaster> Gambit: feature you might say, but I look scary on it
20100414 17:57:28< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: I read his post in teh abortion thread
20100414 17:57:34< Unnheulu> artisticdude: what if they're 12?
20100414 17:57:44< artisticdude> makes no difference.
20100414 17:57:50< SekoIdiootti> ARTISTICDUDE!!!
20100414 17:57:51< Unnheulu> It does
20100414 17:57:51< SekoIdiootti> hi
20100414 17:57:53< SekoIdiootti> lol
20100414 17:58:00< Unnheulu> It could kill them at that age
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20100414 17:58:04< artisticdude> Hi
20100414 17:58:09< Unnheulu> (the birth I mean)
20100414 17:58:16 * Jarkko_ feels like there is something, he should know about... <_<;
20100414 17:58:24< Gambit> The 12 year old with a 50% chance of dying during childbirth and the baby who's odds are even worse might disagree with you artisticdude.
20100414 17:58:43< Unnheulu> And what kind of life would the girl and child have then?
20100414 17:59:02< artisticdude> I'm not sure what you'd do in that situation, I'll look it up
20100414 17:59:43< artisticdude> You can probably tell I'm very pro-life, and that's because I'm a Catholic (and a traditional Catholic at that)
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20100414 18:00:24< artisticdude> BTW Gambit, congrats on your new title, I just noticed it. :)
20100414 18:00:51< Unnheulu> artisticdude: I'm protestant, and tbh, I don't care that much
20100414 18:00:56< Samwise> ok, question: are you talking about rape? WHY
20100414 18:00:57< Unnheulu> If someone wants to have an aabortion, let them
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20100414 18:01:10< Blarumyrran> I'm an atheist and I eat babies for breakfest
20100414 18:01:14< shadowmaster> Samwise: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29278&start=120
20100414 18:01:26< shadowmaster> it stems from there
20100414 18:01:31< artisticdude> I'm sorry we can't agree, but my faith requires me to believe that, and I honestly think I would anyway.
20100414 18:01:35< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: hang on...
20100414 18:01:43< shadowmaster> (no I don't approve this conversation either)
20100414 18:01:43< Unnheulu> I thought you had this thing against Gambit?
20100414 18:02:01< artisticdude> New topic needed.
20100414 18:02:28< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: are you being random or are you requesting any evidence of your existence to be erased from the database? :)
20100414 18:02:40< Unnheulu> hmm?
20100414 18:02:48< shadowmaster> so I thought.
20100414 18:02:52< artisticdude> lol
20100414 18:04:48< artisticdude> I spent the last two hours creating a sprite for Valkier's sculpture. I used 33 shades of varying colors, the most I've ever used in spritework.
20100414 18:05:26< Jarkko_> That's... Shady. :o
20100414 18:05:29< artisticdude> What would the average number of shades for a wesnoth sprite be? Is there a set standard or is it open to conjecture.
20100414 18:05:30< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: I'm referencing to this:
20100414 18:05:30< Unnheulu> http://www.wesnoth.org/irclogs/2010/04/%23wesnoth-umc-dev.2010-04-13.log
20100414 18:05:38< Unnheulu> 20100413 15:20:10< fabi> What about gambit?
20100414 18:05:38< Unnheulu> 20100413 15:21:12< shadowmaster> NO
20100414 18:05:38< Unnheulu> 20100413 15:21:22 * shadowmaster stabs his Gambit voodoo doll
20100414 18:06:00< Gambit> Unnheulu: Where is that from?
20100414 18:06:02< Gambit> haha
20100414 18:06:08< shadowmaster> hey, I have a voodoo doll of Ivanovic too.
20100414 18:06:16< shadowmaster> useful for delaying releases.
20100414 18:06:28< Gambit> I have a shadowmaster voodoo *ACTION FIGURE*
20100414 18:06:30< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: does not really work!
20100414 18:06:35< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: lies
20100414 18:06:38< artisticdude> do you have one of Dave?
20100414 18:06:55< Unnheulu> heh
20100414 18:06:58< SekoIdiootti> do you have a voodoo doll of me? :O if so... OMFG I must run! D:
20100414 18:07:02< Unnheulu> Or me?^_^
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20100414 18:07:25< artisticdude> (I smell a conspiracy :P)
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20100414 18:08:44< artisticdude> Well, interesting conversation. :/ Guess I'll follow Gambit and take his voodoo doll away from him.
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20100414 18:09:16 * Unnheulu wonders if there is any python scripts he could write to make stuff simpler in wesnoth
20100414 18:09:34< shadowmaster> probably, depends n what you need or want
20100414 18:10:02< shadowmaster> I could even code Perl scripts for that. You know that Perl's much better at handling text replacements and such than Python [citation needed] [original research?]
20100414 18:10:12< Unnheulu> *smirks*
20100414 18:10:38< Unnheulu> ESR started a C++ -> python converted once iirc
20100414 18:11:00< shadowmaster> hah, I don't think he'll ever finish that.
20100414 18:11:06< Unnheulu> I agree^_^
20100414 18:11:27< Unnheulu> Not everything in C++ can be done in python
20100414 18:11:58< shadowmaster> and Python's lax rules annoy me
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20100414 18:12:23< shadowmaster> discovering that you typoed a function call only when your code reaches an unlikely path...not nice for large production apps
20100414 18:12:47< shadowmaster> in C++ and Perl* you get compile-time checks
20100414 18:13:02< Unnheulu> http://catb.org/%7Eesr/ctopy/ 
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20100414 18:13:31< Unnheulu> esr seems to prefer python ;)
20100414 18:13:43< Unnheulu> "My longest-term dream is to translate this game out of C++ into some language that is non-horrible"
20100414 18:13:51< allefant> there's a lot of typos you can make in C++ which also will only result in rare runtime crashes :P
20100414 18:13:59< allefant> many of which don't exist in Python
20100414 18:14:08< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: I know well what esr prefers
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20100414 18:14:15< shadowmaster> and I honestly don't care. :)
20100414 18:14:19< Unnheulu> In python you don't have to do the whole feature before testing and cross your fingers it'll work :P
20100414 18:14:26< Unnheulu> (in compiling)
20100414 18:14:55< shadowmaster> (I don't care as long as he doesn't try to influence my preferences or existing code which I regularly hack, such as Wesnoth)
20100414 18:15:39< Unnheulu> *smirks*
20100414 18:15:53< Unnheulu> Code for your gtk gui is in python ;)
20100414 18:17:16< shadowmaster> and I really want to get rid of it
20100414 18:17:23< Unnheulu> aww 
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20100414 18:17:51 * Unnheulu can't make stuff good enough for shadowmaster :(
20100414 18:18:42< shadowmaster> it's good enough
20100414 18:18:45< Unnheulu> What if I rebuild it in PyQT? :P
20100414 18:18:53< Unnheulu> *PyQt
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20100414 18:19:22< shadowmaster> I'd rather have it in C++ Qt4 or C Gtk2 (optionally using C++ for client code
20100414 18:19:26< shadowmaster> or Perl.
20100414 18:19:36< Unnheulu> Wow, you really hate python
20100414 18:19:43< shadowmaster> the problem with Perl or Python is that they are ... not as trivial to use or install on Windows
20100414 18:19:57< Unnheulu> I dunno...
20100414 18:19:59< shadowmaster> as they are on GNU/Linux distributions which usually include those in the default software selection
20100414 18:20:12< Unnheulu> I installed python fairly easily on my Granddad's pc
20100414 18:20:25< Unnheulu> or you have http://www.py2exe.org/
20100414 18:20:37< Unnheulu> (Which I'm still learning how to use, having only used it once)
20100414 18:21:14< shadowmaster> and dependencies?
20100414 18:21:26< shadowmaster> does it handle installing Gtk2 and the Python modules, etc.?
20100414 18:21:31< Unnheulu> humm
20100414 18:21:35< shadowmaster> s/installing/embedding/
20100414 18:21:37< Unnheulu> You have to bundle those in
20100414 18:21:58< shadowmaster> anyway, I got stuck trying to figure out how to use drag & drop events with Wesnoth-TC's PyGTK GUI
20100414 18:21:58< Unnheulu> (Which is the slightly annoying part of py2exe, collecting all the dll's)
20100414 18:22:07< shadowmaster> (don't help me, I want to learn)
20100414 18:22:10< Unnheulu> Hmm, you want drag and drop images?
20100414 18:22:15< shadowmaster> yes
20100414 18:22:18 * Unnheulu could do that, if you want ;)
20100414 18:22:31< shadowmaster> like the GIMP -- but as I said, I want to learn how to do this myself
20100414 18:22:39< Unnheulu> Ok, fair enough
20100414 18:23:57 * Unnheulu really needs to learn how to use xml and python
20100414 18:24:07< Unnheulu> Its apparently very simple^^
20100414 18:25:27< shadowmaster> I want to have an excuse to learn how to use XML and Perl.
20100414 18:25:43< Unnheulu> hmm
20100414 18:26:01< shadowmaster> so far I've not come up with a good excuse since my Perl applications (the Wesnoth-UMC-Dev Registry Model infrastructure) use a custom config storage format
20100414 18:26:13< Unnheulu> perl looks so messy :/
20100414 18:26:18< shadowmaster> ...and learning to use something without a need doesn't  seem to work for me
20100414 18:26:30< shadowmaster> I couldn't learn Perl until shikadibot became a need.
20100414 18:26:46< shadowmaster> I couldn't learn C++ correctly until I started hacking Wesnoth.
20100414 18:27:10< shadowmaster> I couldn't learn the tiniest bit of Python until you came up with this PyGTK frontend
20100414 18:27:55< Unnheulu> Wait, your learning python now?
20100414 18:30:51< shadowmaster> well, yes
20100414 18:31:23< shadowmaster> and I've not yet found anything in it to convince me that it's better than Perl for *my* needs
20100414 18:32:11< shadowmaster> Perl feels more natural and fluid to me, probably because it inherits a bit of C'ish syntax and grammar like C++, C#, PHP and Java
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20100414 18:32:23< shadowmaster> and my first real programming language was C#
20100414 18:38:49< Unnheulu> Isn't fallout mod manager and oblivion mod manager made in C#?
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20100414 18:40:29< Unnheulu> (I think it is, cause my cousin only knows C# last I checked)
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20100414 18:41:24< shadowmaster> I kn[eo]w C#, not what apps are written in it :|
20100414 18:41:32< shadowmaster> I know that the supertux editor is written in C# at leaast
20100414 18:41:37< Unnheulu> Yeh
20100414 18:41:45< Unnheulu> Not sure about Grumbel's version though
20100414 18:43:03< Unnheulu> Wow, wmllints shorter than I thought it'd be
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20100414 18:43:21< Blarumyrran> shadowmaster, wait what, supertux is on linux though?
20100414 18:43:31< Unnheulu> ah, interesting...
20100414 18:43:41< Unnheulu> It doesn't work with maps with no .map extension...
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20100414 18:46:04< Unnheulu> eww, who still uses wx that much...
20100414 18:46:09 * Unnheulu guesses windows users :/
20100414 18:46:54< shadowmaster> Blueblaze: supertux runs on Windows too...
20100414 18:47:00< shadowmaster> er, sorry Blueblaze :|
20100414 18:47:11< shadowmaster> I didn't notice Blarumaram left
20100414 18:48:06< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: wmllint stinks of creeping featurism and incredibly complicated code
20100414 18:48:14< shadowmaster> and esr has admitted it as well.
20100414 18:48:15< Unnheulu> Perhaps
20100414 18:48:30< Unnheulu> Sometimes (not always ;)) complicated code can shorten the rest
20100414 18:48:38< Unnheulu> But, it reduces further development a lot
20100414 18:48:53< shadowmaster> ...
20100414 18:49:09< Unnheulu> It can ;)
20100414 18:49:11< shadowmaster> no, maintenance can get pretty hard under that scheme
20100414 18:49:22< shadowmaster> s/can get/often gets/
20100414 18:49:27< Unnheulu>  But, it reduces further development a lot
20100414 18:49:47< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-dev/2010-02/msg00078.html
20100414 18:49:53< shadowmaster> esr speaking about wmllint et al
20100414 18:49:59< Unnheulu> Cool
20100414 18:50:38< Unnheulu> Ugh, hang on, checking epiphany to stop these stupid security certificate warnings
20100414 18:51:33< Blueblaze> hi shadowmaster!
20100414 18:51:41 * Blueblaze will guilt you into talking to me :>
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20100414 19:20:27< Woodmouse> I posted a new sprite. :) http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=421799#p421799
20100414 19:23:35< Unnheulu> Angle the weapon/staff/thing?
20100414 19:23:55< Woodmouse> but... :s
20100414 19:24:02< Woodmouse> I tried, but it looked horrible...
20100414 19:25:09< Unnheulu> just one pixel across difference?
20100414 19:25:25< Unnheulu> I'll tc it for you
20100414 19:25:26< shadowmaster> maybe you tried using the rotate tool directly and that's why it looked horrible?
20100414 19:25:45< Unnheulu> Unless shadowmaster wants to, as I still need to load up my lappy
20100414 19:26:38< shadowmaster> it looks a bit messy, but you've improved
20100414 19:29:04 * shadowmaster wonders how many people even know that the old drakes are not the oldest
20100414 19:29:09< Unnheulu> Woodmouse: the teamcoloured version is kinda ugly
20100414 19:29:11< Unnheulu> I didn't!
20100414 19:29:26< Unnheulu> Woodmouse: especially the white
20100414 19:29:30< Woodmouse> ?
20100414 19:29:39< Woodmouse> I didn't use rotate tool
20100414 19:29:44< Woodmouse> I tried drawing it different
20100414 19:29:45< shadowmaster> Woodmouse: ah, never midn ;)
20100414 19:29:47< Woodmouse> but... it's too small
20100414 19:29:50< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: yeah, that tends to happen with TC if one's not careful.
20100414 19:30:08< Unnheulu> Woodmouse: Have you got wesnoth-tc installed?
20100414 19:30:08< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: that's why I wrote that tool anyway.
20100414 19:30:15< Woodmouse> no I don't
20100414 19:30:20< Unnheulu> If so, you should check out the colours on it, you could learn a lot ;)
20100414 19:30:22< Unnheulu> ahm
20100414 19:30:38< Unnheulu> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22859
20100414 19:30:42< Unnheulu> latest release on second page
20100414 19:30:43< Woodmouse> I'm doing a sprite for the house thing that Valkier made. :p
20100414 19:30:49< Unnheulu> Gui also on second page ;)
20100414 19:30:52< Woodmouse> so artisticdude gets competiton
20100414 19:30:54< Woodmouse> lol
20100414 19:31:30< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: should it blit the unit onto a grass texture or not?
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20100414 19:31:45< shadowmaster> um, no
20100414 19:31:51< Unnheulu> ok
20100414 19:31:56< shadowmaster> for that purpose you'll want different textures
20100414 19:32:03< Unnheulu> (I was thinking of the white tc)
20100414 19:32:14< shadowmaster> for example, for editing Elynia on the GIMP, her source XCF has different hidden layers with different textures
20100414 19:32:31< shadowmaster> underground, grassland, sand and even water.
20100414 19:32:39< Unnheulu> Water?
20100414 19:32:44< shadowmaster> yes, water.
20100414 19:32:46< Unnheulu> I thought water worked "weirdly"
20100414 19:32:52< Unnheulu> (Like half went in front)
20100414 19:32:59< shadowmaster> not for flyers
20100414 19:33:03< shadowmaster> er, flying units
20100414 19:33:12< Unnheulu> ok, fair enough
20100414 19:34:11 * Unnheulu is going to use a map parser as his excuse to learn xml
20100414 19:34:25< Unnheulu> My current method is kinda messy
20100414 19:35:00< Unnheulu> (Split at ": " and read the first + second array entries to find out whats happening, but, if they use a colon in the text...)
20100414 19:36:27< Unnheulu> Bah, I found an easy way to fix that
20100414 19:39:58< Unnheulu> Aargh, no matter what this'll make ugly code, till I rewrite it in a few years
20100414 19:40:13< Unnheulu> Time for AML to be born then I guess^^
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20100414 19:57:22< Unnheulu> hah
20100414 19:57:25< Unnheulu> Comments were super easy
20100414 19:57:53< shadowmaster> s/^#.*$//
20100414 19:57:57< shadowmaster> very easy
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20100414 19:58:33< shadowmaster> well, it can get more complicated if you allow comments at the end of the line, make # quotable, etc.
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20100414 20:00:42< Unnheulu> As in its simple in anything but in quotes and stuff :/
20100414 20:01:00< shadowmaster> ah, as you can see, it's a simple regexp
20100414 20:01:01< Unnheulu> I'm just simply splitting at the # so it doesn't appear to the parser
20100414 20:01:04< shadowmaster> *yeah
20100414 20:01:13< Unnheulu> anyways, food! :D
20100414 20:01:20< shadowmaster> you could also s/#.*$//
20100414 20:01:27< shadowmaster> but that still doesn't consider quoting
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20100414 20:15:46< Unnheulu> That's what I mean about perl...
20100414 20:15:48< Unnheulu> Ugly ;)
20100414 20:15:56< shadowmaster> that's not even pure Perl.
20100414 20:16:02< Unnheulu> Bash?
20100414 20:16:08< shadowmaster> that's a goddamn regular expression and you can do that in sed or vim
20100414 20:16:18< Unnheulu> Oh...^^
20100414 20:16:37 * Unnheulu uses nano, vim and emacs are just too...
20100414 20:16:43< Unnheulu> Complicated?
20100414 20:16:51< shadowmaster> and seriously, if you can't learn regular expressions, you need to go to this temple in the Tibet and train for a year the art of Regexping
20100414 20:17:18< Unnheulu> regex...that rings a bell...
20100414 20:17:23 * Unnheulu waits for the facepalm
20100414 20:19:48 * Unnheulu is googling it now
20100414 20:19:53< shadowmaster> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_expression#Formal_language_theory
20100414 20:20:06< shadowmaster> I read this and I go "ga?"
20100414 20:20:38 * Unnheulu should learn this, and use this in English in school...
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20100414 20:46:16 * Unnheulu|Laptop feels lonely with only one "option watchamacallit" in his [map] tag :(
20100414 20:46:22< Unnheulu|Laptop> Shows how little features my code has
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20100414 21:31:19< Woodmouse> hmmm. no one's commenting aobut my sprite... :s
20100414 21:32:15< shadowmaster> 13:26:38 <shadowmaster> it looks a bit messy, but you've improved
20100414 21:34:34< Woodmouse> ohh
20100414 21:34:37< Woodmouse> I didn't notice
20100414 21:34:45< Woodmouse> how's it messy? :)
20100414 21:34:47< Woodmouse> xD
20100414 21:34:55< Woodmouse> I mean, like... you mean the tentacles?
20100414 21:35:31< Unnheulu|Laptop> Woodmouse, I mentioned that the tc needs to be reworked
20100414 21:35:38< Woodmouse> why?
20100414 21:35:54< Unnheulu|Laptop> Woodmouse, install wesnoth-tc
20100414 21:35:58< Woodmouse> :s
20100414 21:36:07< Woodmouse> where can I find it? :s
20100414 21:36:09< Unnheulu|Laptop> Then you can see
20100414 21:36:28< Unnheulu|Laptop> http://wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22859
20100414 21:36:33< Unnheulu|Laptop> Latest version page 2
20100414 21:36:44< Unnheulu|Laptop> My gui also on page 2 (needs python+pygtk)
20100414 21:38:50< Woodmouse> argh, it doesn't run... :s
20100414 21:38:56< Woodmouse> weeeeeeell
20100414 21:39:30< Unnheulu|Laptop> It needs to be compiled
20100414 21:39:57< Unnheulu|Laptop> (Unless you just got the gui, in which case wesnoth-tc needs to be compiled *and* installed
20100414 21:40:03< Woodmouse> O.o
20100414 21:40:05< Woodmouse> ...
20100414 21:40:13< Woodmouse> I don't even know what compiling *IS*...
20100414 21:40:20< Unnheulu|Laptop> ./configure
20100414 21:40:20< Unnheulu|Laptop> make
20100414 21:40:23< Unnheulu|Laptop> sudo make install
20100414 21:40:38< Woodmouse> ....
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20100414 21:41:24< Unnheulu|Laptop> Woody, you are on windows, right?
20100414 21:41:47< Woodmouse> yeah
20100414 21:41:53< Unnheulu|Laptop> argh
20100414 21:42:02< Unnheulu|Laptop> shadowmaster made an exe
20100414 21:42:23< Woodmouse> well... nothing happens when I try to run the exe...
20100414 21:42:31< shadowmaster> Woodmouse: it's a console application
20100414 21:42:37< Woodmouse> ?
20100414 21:42:37< shadowmaster> you run it from the command prompt
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20100414 21:42:46< Woodmouse> ...umm, how do I do that?
20100414 21:42:52< shadowmaster> and if you can't figure that out, you are not a true Windows user
20100414 21:42:53< shadowmaster> ;)
20100414 21:43:01< Woodmouse> lol...
20100414 21:43:13< Woodmouse> you mean the... "run" in the toolbar?
20100414 21:43:30< Unnheulu|Laptop> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+run+windows+console+applications
20100414 21:44:28< Woodmouse> .... :(
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20100414 21:45:05< Unnheulu|Laptop> :/
20100414 21:45:12< Unnheulu|Laptop> I also find that site very useful^_^
20100414 21:47:13 * Unnheulu|Laptop hates having to write whole features, before being able to test :/
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20100414 22:38:09< SpoOkyMagician> zookeeper: any progress?
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20100414 22:52:30< zookeeper> SpoOkyMagician, sorry, no, didn't have much time yet
20100414 22:52:54< SpoOkyMagician> i see. well, take your time i guess.
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20100414 23:25:57< Hulavuta> HI
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20100414 23:27:05< Samwise> HI
20100414 23:27:13< Hulavuta> HOW ARE YOU
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20100414 23:45:51< Gambit> Didya miss me?
20100414 23:46:08< Gambit> Now too look up this supposed voodoo quote in the IRC logs >:[
20100414 23:46:37< Samwise> I didn't miss you. kthxb
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