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20100421 00:30:03< PetePorty> Gambit: Why did you change your pic? I liked the other one....
20100421 00:31:06< Gambit> Time to buckle down.
20100421 00:31:09< Gambit> Put on a tie.
20100421 00:31:12< Gambit> et cetera.
20100421 00:31:47< PetePorty> : (
20100421 00:31:47< ancestral> Gambit is getting serious! OH NO!
20100421 00:31:52< PetePorty> why?
20100421 00:31:57< PetePorty> WHY!?
20100421 00:32:23< ancestral> Well he's getting more responsibilities
20100421 00:32:28< ancestral> He's going places!
20100421 00:32:43< ancestral> Like to Men's Warehouse :-P
20100421 00:32:47< PetePorty> but... why?
20100421 00:32:51< Gambit> Serious Gambit is more helpful to the project than bullshit gambit
20100421 00:33:10< PetePorty> but.... old gambit was funny...
20100421 00:33:44< Gambit> But you still have Talks About Himself In Third Person Gambit
20100421 00:33:52< PetePorty> lol
20100421 00:33:59< ancestral> Oh gosh I have to find that video now
20100421 00:34:05< PetePorty> ?
20100421 00:34:18< PetePorty> The Grapist?
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20100421 00:49:50< Gambit> Ugh another developer hating signature.
20100421 00:49:53< Gambit> And it's colored too.
20100421 00:50:08< Gambit> Someone has a death wish.
20100421 00:50:16< PetePorty> who?
20100421 00:52:13< PetePorty> O.o my mom's here... gtg... bye
20100421 00:52:14< PetePorty> c ya
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20100421 01:43:11< PetePorty> hi guys... anyone knows actionscript 2.0?
20100421 01:43:18< PetePorty> can that person help me?
20100421 01:44:10< PetePorty> in this line: if (speed<1  && speed>-1  && !attacking)  {  what does the "!" do? what's its function
20100421 01:44:15< PetePorty> ?
20100421 01:45:53< PetePorty> anyone?
20100421 01:46:03< PetePorty> please?
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20100421 01:52:41< AmateurEngineer> Dunno about actionscript, but generally '!' in many languages means 'not'
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20100421 01:54:15< PetePorty> oh... ok, thx
20100421 01:54:23< PetePorty> brb, dinner time
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20100421 02:13:10< Gambit> Johannes13: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=423314#p423314
20100421 02:13:50< Johannes13> Gambit: thx
20100421 02:14:02< Johannes13> Someone else uploaded it already
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20100421 02:14:22< Gambit> Oh. Not your fault then?
20100421 02:14:27< Johannes13> no
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20100421 02:14:46< Johannes13> but I could upload it if I wish
20100421 02:15:06< Johannes13> I thought I ask the original author first
20100421 02:15:22< Johannes13> and was to late...
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20100421 02:28:33< Pfhortipfhy> Hey, I'm sorry for the noob question, but is there a way to not have to "rediscover" units after updating?
20100421 02:28:47< Pfhortipfhy> I remember reading about that somewhere but I was looking for it and couldn't find it.
20100421 02:31:05< Gambit> I thought the discovery was part of userdata.
20100421 02:31:13< Gambit> But you can use :debug and :discover
20100421 02:31:27< Gambit> To instantly discover all units.
20100421 02:31:58< Pfhortipfhy> If there are custom units, will they be ignored until the user campaign is loaded, or will it throw up an error.
20100421 02:32:17< Gambit> The whole cache is loaded before you can play anything, so they should be included.
20100421 02:32:38< Gambit> *all the addons are loaded into the cache before you can play anything ...
20100421 02:32:44< Pfhortipfhy> Aaah.
20100421 02:32:48< Pfhortipfhy> Okay, thanks :)
20100421 02:33:29< Pfhortipfhy> So if there are updated units in the campaigns, but they're different versions of the campaign for the new version, will they require rediscovery as "new units"?
20100421 02:33:59< Pfhortipfhy> or show up as a redundant unit with slightly different stats.
20100421 02:34:08< Gambit> All the units in your addons folder should be discovered.
20100421 02:34:27< Pfhortipfhy> Aha.
20100421 02:34:31< Pfhortipfhy> Thanks!
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20100421 02:39:34< Gambit> Just had an awesome idea for an addon.
20100421 02:39:55< Gambit> Super powerful units that become petrified while you can see them.
20100421 02:39:59< Gambit> They look like angels.
20100421 02:40:02< Gambit> And they have nightstalk.
20100421 02:41:08< Gambit> All the players have to work togethor to get rid of them.
20100421 02:42:29< Pfhortipfhy> But if they ever attack then they have to move within sight, thus... frozen.
20100421 02:42:41< Gambit> Not at night.
20100421 02:42:48< Gambit> And they are fast. Faster than you can believe.
20100421 02:43:15< Gambit> Pfhortipfhy: Plus I'll only check sight on the players turn.
20100421 02:43:28< Pfhortipfhy> But how do they move after attacking?
20100421 02:43:32< happygrue> Gambit: watch Dr. Who much?  :P
20100421 02:43:41< Gambit> happygrue: shh ;)
20100421 02:43:53< Gambit> Pfhortipfhy: They'll have to wait until night time again.
20100421 02:43:53< Pfhortipfhy> Once they attack, they're frozen until their next turn, right?
20100421 02:44:02< happygrue> that idea that you have, which is not an episode of anything, was the best episode ever!
20100421 02:44:05< Gambit> But if they attack you, that unit is pretty much dead.
20100421 02:44:14< Gambit> Well not so much dead.
20100421 02:44:23< Gambit> But it gets sent to another game.
20100421 02:44:33< Pfhortipfhy> :-/ Idea needs work.
20100421 02:44:36< happygrue> which is set in 1967...
20100421 02:45:15< Gambit> Pfhortipfhy: You can't kill a stone can you?
20100421 02:45:37< Gambit> Of course a stone can't kill you either, but then you move away and they get fogged, then it gets dark.
20100421 02:45:45< Gambit> Then you blink.
20100421 02:45:59< happygrue> Pfhortipfhy: but here is the best part:  In order to beat them you have to send a message back in time to the units in the other game, and they have to send a message back forward in time to you.  And that's how you win!
20100421 02:46:32< Gambit> Oh wait, wesnoth doesn't let you attack petrified units...
20100421 02:46:50< PetePorty> can be fixed with wml right?
20100421 02:47:11 * PetePorty shuts up
20100421 02:47:29< Pfhortipfhy> We get the reference, but I was under the understanding that you wanted to make it playable.
20100421 02:47:57< PetePorty> oh, btw, my flash game is going pretty well, if anyone wanted to know...
20100421 02:48:03< Gambit> I did want to make it :(
20100421 02:48:15< Gambit> I guess I'll do fake petrification.
20100421 02:48:31< Gambit> It will only affect moves and the color.
20100421 02:49:39< Gambit> This is something I can knock out in a weekend.
20100421 02:50:39< PetePorty> I have a better idea, u have a character called PetePorty, that has this awesome abilitty: "Slaughter Cattle" that kills all "Gambit" units instantly, and all your ennemies are "Gambit" units... :)
20100421 02:52:55< Gambit> I like to keep some semblence of realism in my addons.
20100421 02:53:10< Gambit> Sorry.
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20100421 02:54:13 * Gambit thought for sure wesnoth had a [filter_visible]
20100421 02:54:19< PetePorty> lol
20100421 02:55:24 * Gambit was right, the wiki is just dumb.
20100421 02:55:40< Gambit> I mean uh... the wiki is awesomesauce and we should all use it.
20100421 02:56:11< PetePorty> lol
20100421 02:56:30< PetePorty> is someone listening?
20100421 02:56:32< Gambit> I would like to redo the referenceWML this summer.
20100421 02:56:43< Gambit> PetePorty: Public service announcement.
20100421 02:56:59< PetePorty> yeah... and you could divide into sections... for easier use
20100421 02:57:02< Gambit> It's like how smokers will tell people not to smoke ;)
20100421 02:57:07< PetePorty> hmmmm
20100421 02:57:14< PetePorty> yeah...
20100421 02:57:21< PetePorty> my mom does that...
20100421 02:58:05< Gambit> PetePorty: No. No more sections.
20100421 02:58:11< Gambit> Every tag deserves it's own page.
20100421 02:58:15< Gambit> *its
20100421 02:58:18< PetePorty> moan
20100421 02:58:45< PetePorty> anyway.... i know u know actionscript
20100421 02:58:56< Gambit> Weird.
20100421 02:58:58< PetePorty> so... can you help me?
20100421 02:59:01< PetePorty> what?
20100421 02:59:06< Gambit> You know I know something I didn't know I know.
20100421 02:59:09< PetePorty> me? yeah, im weird?
20100421 02:59:13< PetePorty> lol
20100421 02:59:16< PetePorty> *knew
20100421 02:59:31< Gambit> Maybe you're psychic and predicting some future where I can afford flash.
20100421 02:59:40< Gambit> s/can afford/care about
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20100421 02:59:55< PetePorty> or... use bittorrent
20100421 03:00:19< Gambit> I would hope that nowhere out there will you find an alternate universe in which I am a software pirate.
20100421 03:00:36< PetePorty> what is the "s/ example-a/examble-b" supposed to be?
20100421 03:00:44< Gambit> But I guess it is possible. String theory states there must be at least one out there where I was dropped on my head.
20100421 03:00:53< PetePorty> lol
20100421 03:01:14< PetePorty> i live on an alternate universe..
20100421 03:01:25< PetePorty> in two of them actually
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20100421 03:02:23< Gambit> PetePorty: about your question.
20100421 03:02:27< Gambit> It has something to do with oysters.
20100421 03:02:28< Gambit> I dunno.
20100421 03:02:47< Gambit> You'll have to ask shadowmaster when he gets his laptop.
20100421 03:02:49< PetePorty> well, is there an open source version of flash? something usable for my personal project? (my sample thingy has 6 days left)
20100421 03:02:54< PetePorty> oh...ok
20100421 03:03:13< Gambit> PetePorty: You can get an educational discount on CS4 Web Standard.
20100421 03:03:24< Gambit> Comes with flash, fireworks, dreamweaver, and something else I think.
20100421 03:03:33< PetePorty> dreaweaver sux
20100421 03:03:37< Gambit> all for $280 something.
20100421 03:03:47< Gambit> Please quantify that statement.
20100421 03:03:50< PetePorty> dunno about fireworks...
20100421 03:03:57< Gambit> Fireworks sucks.
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20100421 03:04:06< Gambit> Everything it does gimp and inkscape do better.
20100421 03:04:13< Gambit> Dreamweaver though...
20100421 03:04:16< PetePorty> ok... $280 is nowhere close to open source...
20100421 03:04:38< Gambit> It's an editor for just about every web language out there and an FTP client, and other stuff I don't really care about.
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20100421 03:04:59< PetePorty> hmmmm.... nah, don't like dreamweaver...
20100421 03:05:06< Gambit> Real men use notepad of course.
20100421 03:05:22< Gambit> But real men decided that tag completion is worth it.
20100421 03:06:06< PetePorty> better use notepad for web stuff
20100421 03:06:24< PetePorty> damm, i was writing that and my mom came in....
20100421 03:06:30< Gambit> Real men have deadlines.
20100421 03:06:30< PetePorty> u said it before ,e!
20100421 03:06:34< PetePorty> me*
20100421 03:06:44< PetePorty> I have deadlines
20100421 03:07:03< PetePorty> I've died about 6 times between last week and this one...
20100421 03:07:09< PetePorty> : )
20100421 03:07:09< Gambit> They don't want to type it up, copy to web server, preview, fix, copy to webserver, preview, edit, copy to webserver, preview
20100421 03:07:20< Gambit> Load up a seperate ftp client to upload
20100421 03:07:35< Gambit> find a browser incompatability
20100421 03:07:38< Gambit> repeat.
20100421 03:07:57< PetePorty> ok, ok, i got it...
20100421 03:08:27< Pfhortipfhy> Yeah, it sucks.
20100421 03:08:41< Gambit> You have to remember, real men use server languages and their OS's do not allow editing files in system folders without pain in the arse workarounds.
20100421 03:08:52< PetePorty> I've only done 2 web page in my life... 1 using notepad and 1 using dreamweaver, notepad was a lot easier, but dreamweaver seemed more professional...
20100421 03:08:59< Pfhortipfhy> Dreamweaver is unbelievably nice for previewing.
20100421 03:09:08< Pfhortipfhy> Among other things.
20100421 03:09:10< Gambit> And what were you doing in this notepad website?
20100421 03:09:24< PetePorty> uhh.... well, mainly nothng...
20100421 03:09:28< PetePorty> nothing*
20100421 03:09:28< Pfhortipfhy> Bah.
20100421 03:09:36< PetePorty> just... typing stuff....
20100421 03:09:43< Pfhortipfhy> That doesn't count then.
20100421 03:09:43< PetePorty> with this sexy css....
20100421 03:09:55< PetePorty> hey!
20100421 03:10:01< PetePorty> i was trying to learn...
20100421 03:10:06< Gambit> Yeah doesn't count.
20100421 03:10:10< Gambit> I was like you once.
20100421 03:10:17< PetePorty> really?
20100421 03:10:23< PetePorty> u were fat and lonely?
20100421 03:10:25< Pfhortipfhy> We were all noobs.
20100421 03:10:26< PetePorty> :)
20100421 03:10:28< Gambit> I thought people who used things other than notepad for web design were pansies.
20100421 03:10:40< Pfhortipfhy> Then you actually start doing it...
20100421 03:10:44< Gambit> Then I got into *real* web design and think people like the me then were idiots.
20100421 03:10:53< Gambit> Once you get past CSS, HTML, and JS it's a whole new world
20100421 03:11:00< Gambit> I suspect though once I get to "the next level"
20100421 03:11:04< Pfhortipfhy> Wait, past all of that?
20100421 03:11:05< Gambit> I'll look back at the me now
20100421 03:11:08< PetePorty> dunno js, never tried it...
20100421 03:11:11< Pfhortipfhy> What /is/ past all that.
20100421 03:11:12< PetePorty> is it too hard?
20100421 03:11:12< Pfhortipfhy> PHP?
20100421 03:11:15< Gambit> and go "ha! what a noob. thinking he was so cool"
20100421 03:11:21< Pfhortipfhy> It's a lot like Java.
20100421 03:11:24< Gambit> "he didn't even know ajax."
20100421 03:11:29< Pfhortipfhy> You don't need it unless your page is dynamic.
20100421 03:11:34< PetePorty> wtf is ajax?
20100421 03:11:38< PetePorty> AHHH!!!!!
20100421 03:11:39< Gambit> A cleaning product.
20100421 03:11:42< Pfhortipfhy> Gambit: if you have a static page, then it doesn't really matter.
20100421 03:11:45 * PetePorty runs
20100421 03:11:46< Pfhortipfhy> :-/
20100421 03:11:56< Gambit> Pfhortipfhy: Well... yeah.
20100421 03:11:59< Pfhortipfhy> :P
20100421 03:12:04< Gambit> Once you start making dynamic pages, it's really hard to go back :\
20100421 03:12:13< Gambit> You make up all kinds of excuses in order to _need_ a database.
20100421 03:12:21< Pfhortipfhy> I mean, if you're designing a service, then fine, AJAX away.
20100421 03:12:31 * Gambit needs to learn ajax.
20100421 03:12:40 * PetePorty cries
20100421 03:12:45< Pfhortipfhy> Have fun learning Java, Javascript, and XML.
20100421 03:12:47< Pfhortipfhy> :)
20100421 03:12:52< Gambit> bah java and xml?
20100421 03:13:04< Pfhortipfhy> Well, maybe not Java, but it'd be a good start.
20100421 03:13:07< Gambit> Coldfusion.
20100421 03:13:08< ancestral> The bestiary page I'm working on is using JavaScript and JSON
20100421 03:13:14< PetePorty> shit, need to go back to my flashy  flash
20100421 03:13:23< Pfhortipfhy> It isn't ajaX without the ajaXML
20100421 03:13:26< Pfhortipfhy> ;-)
20100421 03:13:31< Gambit> Yes it is.
20100421 03:13:40< Gambit> coldfusion + ajax = awesomesauce combo.
20100421 03:13:47< Pfhortipfhy> Yeah I'm just saying things that don't mean much.
20100421 03:13:57< ancestral> Flash = old
20100421 03:14:06< Gambit> HTML5 (h)
20100421 03:14:07< ancestral> JavaScript = new hotness
20100421 03:14:14< ancestral> Yes, HTML5 for that matter
20100421 03:14:16< Gambit> Oops those emoticons don't work here :\
20100421 03:14:17< PetePorty> ok... 100 lines of code is enough for my first attempt at actionscript...
20100421 03:14:22< ancestral> <console> is nice
20100421 03:15:09< Pfhortipfhy> It's not the length of the code but what you do with it.
20100421 03:15:09< Gambit> Pfhortipfhy: Forget php.
20100421 03:15:14< Gambit> LOL
20100421 03:15:18< Pfhortipfhy> ;-)
20100421 03:15:20< Gambit> It's where you get to put it ;)
20100421 03:15:42< PetePorty> ok....
20100421 03:15:43< Gambit> yeah... thats going in my signature.
20100421 03:16:18< PetePorty> i made a ball walk, run, jump and I added gravity and friction....
20100421 03:16:30< Gambit> PetePorty: what is actionscript?
20100421 03:16:43< PetePorty> and started a little animation
20100421 03:16:55< PetePorty> it's... actionscript
20100421 03:16:58< ancestral> ActionScript makes Flash do it's thing
20100421 03:17:03< ancestral> *its
20100421 03:17:05< PetePorty> exactly
20100421 03:17:07< Gambit> It sounds like Adobe is trying to break into the GameMaker/MultimediaFusion buisness.
20100421 03:17:19< Gambit> From what you just described there.
20100421 03:17:44< PetePorty> hmmm
20100421 03:17:52< PetePorty> you've never used flash?
20100421 03:17:54< ancestral> Adobe is desperately trying to maintain their grasp of the multimedia and app business on the web 
20100421 03:18:22< PetePorty> btw... gimp is like.... equal to photoshop but its free...
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20100421 03:18:32< PetePorty> why would someone buy photoshop?
20100421 03:20:08< ancestral> There are quite a few shareware and inexpensive alternatives
20100421 03:20:22< ancestral> On the Mac Pixelmator does its thing fairly well for what its designed to do
20100421 03:20:40< ancestral> GraphicConverter does most everything Photoshop can do and can open almost every file format under the sun
20100421 03:22:34< PetePorty> ok, now relaxing, listening to linkin park and soon... sleeping....
20100421 03:23:13< Gambit> That's terrible bed time music.
20100421 03:23:14< Pfhortipfhy> Pete: because they have a more restrictive moral set and want to support developers.
20100421 03:23:23< Gambit> You should be listening to skynyrd.
20100421 03:23:47< Gambit> Or jimmy buffet
20100421 03:23:48< PetePorty> dunno skynyrd... will look it up
20100421 03:23:53< Gambit> Or johnny cash.
20100421 03:23:58< Gambit> Oh that's right you're chilean.
20100421 03:24:04< Gambit> Lynyrd Skynyrd
20100421 03:25:10< PetePorty> I like it, i like it a lot...the guy is ugly as hell, but the music aint bad... aint bad at all....
20100421 03:25:44< PetePorty> hmmm....
20100421 03:25:48< PetePorty> thx gambit...
20100421 03:26:37< Gambit> Yeah... he's really ugly that Mr. Skynyrd.
20100421 03:26:47 * Gambit raises eyebrows.
20100421 03:27:21< PetePorty> sounds like a mixture between led zepellin and pink floyd (at least the song I'm hearing)
20100421 03:28:00< PetePorty> but.... It must be terrible, as my friends say i have a crappy taste for music...
20100421 03:29:05< Gambit> I recommend The Ballad of Curtise Lowe before bed.
20100421 03:29:11< Gambit> *Curtis
20100421 03:29:35< PetePorty> k...
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20100421 03:30:33< Gambit> Also Mr. Skynyrd isn't ugly. Because he isn't really :o
20100421 03:30:46< Gambit> And Van Zant has an awesome beard!
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20100421 03:31:17< Gambit> *hair in general
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20100421 03:32:55< ancestral> Ugly singers good music — kind of like ugly food that's good tasting
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20100421 03:33:42< PetePorty> or ugly chick good "sleep" time
20100421 03:33:48< Gambit> ooooh
20100421 03:33:51< PetePorty> doesn't apply there
20100421 03:34:53< PetePorty> ok, larry junstrom is the uugly one
20100421 03:35:09< Gambit> Nope. Ronnie Van Zant's hair is awesome.
20100421 03:35:12< Gambit> You know you want it.
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20100421 03:35:29< PetePorty> what?
20100421 03:35:31< PetePorty> no
20100421 03:36:02< Gambit> Yes. Don't lie to me.
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20100421 03:36:21< PetePorty> ok, you got me, i'd kill for that hair
20100421 03:36:25< PetePorty> happy?
20100421 03:36:28< Gambit> Yes.
20100421 03:36:33< PetePorty> ok...
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20100421 03:36:42 * Gambit wants one of those cool hats.
20100421 03:37:10< Gambit> bbl student
20100421 03:37:37 * PetePorty needs to like modern music so friends don't want to kill him when they listen his mp3 list
20100421 03:37:44< PetePorty> k master
20100421 03:37:50 * PetePorty hits self
20100421 03:38:10< PetePorty> why the heck did I say that?
20100421 03:38:42< Gambit> no. I have a student I mean. :\
20100421 03:38:49< PetePorty> oh, ok
20100421 03:39:04 * Gambit is tutoring math in background :o
20100421 03:39:04< PetePorty> sorry, im trained
20100421 03:39:19< PetePorty> math... who takes math lessons?
20100421 03:39:38< PetePorty> I used to teach math to 3rd grade kids...
20100421 03:39:46< PetePorty> and to 5th grade too
20100421 03:40:05< PetePorty> 10th grade people are just too dumb to be taught...
20100421 03:43:47< PetePorty> yay! I'm all alone in here!
20100421 03:43:50< PetePorty> awesome
20100421 03:44:00 * PetePorty takes clothes off
20100421 03:44:48< PetePorty> #wesnoth?
20100421 03:45:45< PetePorty> k, bye guys, sleep time... c ya
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20100421 03:57:26< Gambit> Ah IPS, what are they going to do with you.
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20100421 04:07:00< shadowmaster> Gambit: I still have my laptop.
20100421 04:07:08< shadowmaster> it's just useless without power.
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20100421 04:13:41< Gambit> I forget why we needed you.
20100421 04:14:06< Gambit> Oh yeah... pointless perl joke.
20100421 04:14:10< Gambit> Sorry.
20100421 04:15:14 * Gambit forgot to call you shadowdude that time.
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20100421 04:33:26< shadowmaster> okay, now to figure out how to print a certain legal paper thingy without rebooting this laptop to Windows...because I love watching my uptime
20100421 04:33:41< shadowmaster> shadowm@greycore:~$ uptime 22:35:06 up 473 days, 16:11,  4 users,  load average: 0.16, 0.11, 0.13
20100421 04:34:10< shadowmaster> users are shadowm, root, shadowm, and root
20100421 04:34:47< ancestral> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uptime#Records_and_comparisons
20100421 04:34:59< ancestral> the current record for longest uptime is 11 years, 303 days, 20 hours and 57 minutes on a computer running http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVMS
20100421 04:35:12< ancestral> shadowmaster: You have a long ways to go
20100421 04:35:35< shadowmaster> ancestral: it's my personal record, period.
20100421 04:35:49< shadowmaster>  I beat my older record of 62 days with this.
20100421 04:35:55< ancestral> Oh, okay
20100421 04:36:21< ancestral> You get gold bullion when you reach 500 days, right?
20100421 04:37:18< ancestral> No? Dang
20100421 04:40:55< Gambit> Command requires elevation?
20100421 04:41:03< Gambit> I'm on the second floor already!
20100421 04:42:23< Gambit> It doesn't tell me my up time :(
20100421 04:43:05< shadowmaster> that command is not likely to be found on Windows systems
20100421 04:43:15< shadowmaster> or to yield reliable results, I guess
20100421 04:43:16< Gambit> systeminfo is supposed to display it.
20100421 04:46:59< ancestral> up 22:31, 2 users, load averages: 0.07 0.11 0.08
20100421 04:47:00< ancestral> Heh
20100421 04:47:12< ancestral> I've had my Mac mini at a few months
20100421 04:47:25< ancestral> Probably not so good for energy conservation and the electric bill
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20100421 04:48:39< Gambit> 16:05
20100421 04:48:45< Gambit> Fran gets a good night sleep every night.
20100421 04:49:14< ancestral> 4:05 PM?
20100421 04:49:25< Gambit> No. 16 hours and 5 minutes up time.
20100421 04:49:32< Gambit> Windows gives you the boot time.
20100421 04:49:39< Gambit> I had excel do the math because I'm lazy :o
20100421 04:50:57< ancestral> I see
20100421 04:50:58< ancestral> You didn't excel in Math. You used Excel in Math.
20100421 04:51:41< Gambit> And that's how I became a math tutor ;)
20100421 04:52:04< Gambit> Excel is great at combining like radicals.
20100421 04:52:15< Gambit>  /sarcasm
20100421 04:52:29< Gambit> ancestral: Are you pondering what I'm pondering?
20100421 04:54:23< Gambit> The fork has a half page of threads already. <3
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20100421 07:54:15< j0nnY> hi everybody
20100421 07:54:24< j0nnY>  does someone know how to install compiled subj (ver 1.8) ? im using debian lenny
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20100421 08:14:50< j0nnY> found solution by myself. command: checkinstall scons install
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20100421 09:42:39< Ivanovic> moin
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20100421 13:04:47< stormy2k> Hello everybody
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20100421 15:05:45< Gambit> Best post ever is best post ever: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=423362#p423362
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20100421 15:16:42< King_Elendil> Hello :)
20100421 15:16:56< Jarkko_> King_Elendil: Hi there.
20100421 15:28:55< Gambit> King_Elendil: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=423362#p423362
20100421 15:29:03< Gambit> Prepare to drool.
20100421 15:29:24< King_Elendil> ok...
20100421 15:30:01< Gambit> It's the best post ever posted on the forums.
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20100421 15:33:31< King_Elendil> O_O Wow O_O
20100421 15:34:11< King_Elendil> awesome
20100421 15:35:26< Gambit> I'm pretty sure it violates OSHA guidelines on having too much awesome in one post on the workplace forums.
20100421 15:36:55< King_Elendil> Where's the base frame for that knight?
20100421 15:38:02< Gambit> I don't know. I've seen upgraded mounted units floating around the forums (forum avatars, sprite comparisons), but I've not been able to find where they came from.
20100421 15:39:09< shadowmaster> I have the original image, but I don't remember the thread
20100421 15:39:33< King_Elendil> did Jet draw that too?
20100421 15:40:14< Gambit> Do you remember the year?
20100421 15:40:53< shadowmaster> shhhh
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20100421 15:41:05< shadowmaster> my common sense is tingling!
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20100421 15:42:20< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=337207#p337207
20100421 15:42:49< Gambit> No.
20100421 15:42:52< Gambit> There's more.
20100421 15:42:56< shadowmaster> yes, I know
20100421 15:42:59< shadowmaster> and it should be in the TC thread
20100421 15:43:17< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=367013#p367013
20100421 15:44:23< shadowmaster> first announced here: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=345035#p345035 (And this is the pic I have)
20100421 15:45:30< Gambit> shadowmaster: Thanks.
20100421 15:46:01< shadowmaster> I expected "yay shadowmaster you are fucking awesome i love you" though
20100421 15:46:20< Gambit> That's what King_Elendil is going to say.
20100421 15:47:33< Gambit> Maybe not...
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20100421 15:48:16< King_Elendil> yay member:shadowmaster you are entirely awesome i love you :p
20100421 15:48:39< Gambit> Yeah shadowmaster you're decently awesome, and I guess I don't mind you as much as before.
20100421 15:49:04< King_Elendil> lol
20100421 15:49:26< Gambit> I'm just kidding. Come here big guy. /me hugs.
20100421 15:49:41< King_Elendil> see? He's not entirely lost to grumpiness :p
20100421 15:49:47 * shadowmaster stabs
20100421 15:50:29< Gambit> Shadowmaster isn't grumpy. You just have to use the right kind of humor.
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20100421 15:51:01< King_Elendil> hello there artisticdude :)
20100421 15:51:09< Gambit> Comedy is like pokemon. Some jokes are super effective against some people, some have no effect at all.
20100421 15:51:24< artisticdude> hi King Elendil.
20100421 15:51:25< Gambit> Except you don't have a comedex to explain it.
20100421 15:51:36< King_Elendil> yep
20100421 15:51:54< artisticdude> We talking comedy?
20100421 15:51:55< Gambit> Plus he's laughing on the inside. ;)
20100421 15:52:10< King_Elendil> sort of...
20100421 15:52:20< shadowmaster> no.
20100421 15:52:30< King_Elendil> right
20100421 15:52:31< shadowmaster> I'm kicking this broken screen around to get a better image
20100421 15:52:45< artisticdude> Good, I suck at comedy.
20100421 15:53:31< King_Elendil> Gambit, give artisticdude that link...
20100421 15:53:37< shadowmaster> http://imagebin.org/93842
20100421 15:53:52< Gambit> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=423362#p423362
20100421 15:54:29< Gambit> shadowmaster: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HouseHiringHeuristic :D
20100421 15:54:36< Gambit> No? Okay... :(
20100421 15:54:41< artisticdude> Say, that is cool 8O
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20100421 15:55:42< artisticdude> Jetryl really never ceases to amaze me.
20100421 15:58:59< artisticdude> I recently picked up Frogatto, and it's actually very fun. Needless to say, the pixel art is excellent.
20100421 15:59:22< King_Elendil> Jet did that too you know
20100421 15:59:39< artisticdude> Yep, I know.
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20100421 16:07:27< kasi> is there already an 1.8.1?
20100421 16:07:34< kasi> 1.8.0 crashes a lot for me
20100421 16:08:38< fendrin> kasi: no
20100421 16:08:45< fendrin> kasi: What exactly is crashing?
20100421 16:08:55< fendrin> kasi: Is it the MP Lobby?
20100421 16:08:59< kasi> fendrin: just staying in the lobby
20100421 16:09:01< kasi> fendrin: yes
20100421 16:09:18< kasi> fendrin: it crashes within 3 min for sure
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20100421 16:09:29< fendrin> kasi: Ah, the lobby is really a mess. We currently think about releasing 1.8.1 with the old one. But still the decision is not final.
20100421 16:09:56< kasi> fendrin: please leave the new one in. the filters are really really helpful
20100421 16:10:01< kasi> (argh, just crashed again)
20100421 16:10:23< fendrin> kasi: On the long run the new one will surely make it.
20100421 16:11:11< kasi> fendrin: looks like there are a number of data races that cause these crashes. a couple of weeks ago with less people using 1.8 it never occurred
20100421 16:11:48< fendrin> kasi: Right, the problem is that the new lobby got only tested by few people playing on the development server. 
20100421 16:12:00< kasi> fendrin: now another bug: <span color="yellow">Sardit's game</span> :-)
20100421 16:12:09< fendrin> The lobby itself is fine. It only doesn't scale well to bigger numbers of player.
20100421 16:12:34< kasi> anways. the wesnoth developers are doing a great job. thanks to you all
20100421 16:12:40< fendrin> kasi: Please fill a bug report at bugs.wesnoth.org if a similar one can't be found there.
20100421 16:13:26< fendrin> kasi: Thank you, we appreciate the love from the community. 
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20100421 16:55:00< Unnheulu> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8634952.stm
20100421 16:56:48< Gambit> Unnheulu: About our bakery product discussion yesterday; do they eat bearclaws over there across the pond?
20100421 16:57:03< Unnheulu> bearclaws?
20100421 16:57:06 * Unnheulu googles it
20100421 16:57:29< Gambit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_claw_(pastry)
20100421 16:57:42< Unnheulu> Can't say I recognise it
20100421 16:58:33< Gambit> Dude you've got to import some.
20100421 16:58:46< Unnheulu> Heh
20100421 16:58:47 * Gambit is eating a crumpet right now :o
20100421 16:59:09< Gambit> A raisen crumpet egg and ham sandwhich.
20100421 16:59:19< Unnheulu> wait
20100421 16:59:26< Unnheulu> Egg with a this? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Buttered_crumpet2.jpg
20100421 17:00:01< Gambit> one on the bottom, and one on top.
20100421 17:00:06< Unnheulu> :/
20100421 17:00:20 * Unnheulu never has savoury stuff on a crumpet
20100421 17:00:23< Gambit> looks like: http://www.truestarhealth.com/Notes/Images/Food_Guide/English_Muffins.jpg
20100421 17:00:35< Unnheulu> What is thaaat?
20100421 17:00:38< Gambit> except messier.
20100421 17:00:50< Gambit> Unnheulu: ham, egg, and cheese sandwhich.
20100421 17:00:52< Gambit> Minus the cheese.
20100421 17:00:55< Unnheulu> :/
20100421 17:01:14< Gambit> They're "english muffins" or "crumpets" with ham and egg in the middle.
20100421 17:01:58< Gambit> It's like the greatest breakfast food ever.
20100421 17:02:06< Unnheulu> hmm
20100421 17:02:16< Unnheulu> Greatest breakfast food eva is porridge+fruit
20100421 17:02:25< Gambit> aka oatmeal
20100421 17:02:30< Unnheulu> And not that American ready-mix stuff
20100421 17:02:55< Unnheulu> No not oatmeal
20100421 17:02:57< Gambit> They sell oats for making your own over here.
20100421 17:03:00< Gambit> Yes oat meal.
20100421 17:03:08< Gambit> oatmeal = porridge.
20100421 17:03:24< Unnheulu> It looks much lumpier ;)
20100421 17:03:41< Gambit> Yeah, people insist on putting too much liquid in their oatmeal :\
20100421 17:03:46< Gambit> Then it's not lumpy at all.
20100421 17:03:52< Gambit> They're weirdos though.
20100421 17:03:55< Unnheulu> Liquid?
20100421 17:03:58< Unnheulu> You put water in?
20100421 17:04:10< Gambit> Well I think the weirdos use milk.
20100421 17:04:46< Gambit> I make mine with just enough hot water to get the oats lumpy.
20100421 17:04:58< Gambit> But the rest of my family drowns it like cereal. :\
20100421 17:05:00< Unnheulu> Its milk in porridge
20100421 17:06:06< Gambit> But I'm pretty sure ham, egg, and cheese sandwhich > oatmeal with fruit pieces.
20100421 17:06:12< Gambit> At least my taste buds imagine it is.
20100421 17:06:25< Unnheulu> porridge has milk not water :)
20100421 17:06:54< Gambit> Okay so oatmeal made with milk and fruit pieces < ham egg and cheese sandwhich :@
20100421 17:07:13< Gambit> ham egg and cheese sandwhich == bear claw :o
20100421 17:07:30< Gambit> Of course porridge with fruit would be much healthier...
20100421 17:08:05< Unnheulu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porridge
20100421 17:08:15< Unnheulu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oatmeal
20100421 17:08:38< Gambit> Yeah the wikipedia picture of oatmeal shows dry oats.
20100421 17:08:41< Gambit> I don't know why that is.
20100421 17:08:53< Unnheulu> Buuuut...its different
20100421 17:08:57< Gambit> http://www.fitness.com/recipes/uploaded/1194292189_oatmeal.jpg
20100421 17:09:13 * Unnheulu is bored
20100421 17:09:16< Gambit> http://www.wpclipart.com/food/meals/oatmeal.png
20100421 17:09:55< Unnheulu> That's != porridge
20100421 17:10:15< Gambit> read the wikipedia page
20100421 17:10:19< Gambit> on porridge
20100421 17:10:25< Gambit> "known as oatmeal in the US"
20100421 17:10:33< Gambit> "known as pinhead oatmeal in Ireland"
20100421 17:11:10< Gambit> It's the same meal.
20100421 17:11:13< Unnheulu> Gambit: With a different kind of oats
20100421 17:11:44< Gambit> No
20100421 17:11:53< Gambit> rolled oats are traditional in both England and the US.
20100421 17:12:34< Gambit> Yuck. Mexicans make it with chocolate and corn.
20100421 17:13:13< Unnheulu> Meh
20100421 17:13:17< Gambit> "or with rolled oats  (traditional in England and the United States);"
20100421 17:13:18< Unnheulu> That's Mexico
20100421 17:13:41< Unnheulu> Did Eldred only have an alliance with the orcs?
20100421 17:13:55< Gambit> Do birds swim?
20100421 17:14:00< Unnheulu> Yes
20100421 17:14:11< Unnheulu> ^^
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20100421 17:15:39< Unnheulu> Gambit: Do they then? :P
20100421 17:15:56< Gambit> Geese, ducks, penguins.
20100421 17:16:01< Unnheulu> ...
20100421 17:16:05< Unnheulu> I meant about Eldred :P
20100421 17:16:25 * Gambit shrugs.
20100421 17:16:50< Gambit> wiki it.
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20100421 17:17:36< Unnheulu> Supposedly he paid the orcs to not attack him
20100421 17:17:57 * Unnheulu supposes he is deveating (or w/e) a bit from that giving them an alliance
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20100421 17:20:51< Unnheulu> Hiah shadowm_laptop
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20100421 17:21:19< Unnheulu> Sure you don't wanna know the code to make drag/dropping working? :P
20100421 17:22:11 * shadowmaster cuts Unnheulu's tongue off
20100421 17:22:17< Unnheulu> :/
20100421 17:22:21< Unnheulu> :|
20100421 17:22:22< Unnheulu> :||
20100421 17:22:28< Unnheulu> Nooo, my toungue is gone
20100421 17:22:41< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: You does not like XFCE?
20100421 17:22:55< shadowmaster> no idea. I'm using KDE 3.5.9/10 again
20100421 17:22:56 * Unnheulu thinks Xfce pwns gnome+kde
20100421 17:23:30< Unnheulu> gnome pwns kde :/
20100421 17:23:38< shadowmaster> no
20100421 17:23:42< Unnheulu> phail attempt to start a flame war
20100421 17:23:46< shadowmaster> not for me anyway. I don't care about the rest
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20100421 17:25:50< Unnheulu> anyhow, can you answer my Eldred q?
20100421 17:25:51< Gambit> Unnheulu: explorer.exe owns them all.
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20100421 17:26:44 * shadowmaster notes that Gambit wanted to be a forum moderator following *that* behavior
20100421 17:27:06 * Unnheulu thought Gambit was a forum moderator
20100421 17:27:34< Gambit> shadowmaster: What behavior? :(
20100421 17:27:50< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: only for an unofficial subforum
20100421 17:27:53< Unnheulu> ah
20100421 17:28:06< Unnheulu> Unofficial?
20100421 17:28:12< Unnheulu> Its a subforum, so part of the official forums :)
20100421 17:28:29< shadowmaster> no.
20100421 17:28:47 * Unnheulu cba to disagree
20100421 17:29:09< shadowmaster> I'm the forum amdin and I know what decisions I took for forming that thing, and the Forum Moderators group to which Gambit doesn't belong
20100421 17:29:26 * Unnheulu cba to disagree
20100421 17:30:09 * Unnheulu wonders why he has Eldred fighting saurians in his campaign
20100421 17:30:43< Unnheulu> Aww newbies would love this
20100421 17:30:48< Unnheulu> Spamming goblin spearmen
20100421 17:30:53< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: did you ask for official facts or for your own opinion anyway?
20100421 17:30:54< Unnheulu> Who can't resist a nice spam?
20100421 17:31:03< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: facts on wut?
20100421 17:31:04< Gambit> shadowmaster: behaviour.
20100421 17:31:22< Unnheulu> Eldreds alliances?
20100421 17:31:40 * Gambit wants to know what he's done wrong now. :(
20100421 17:32:07< Unnheulu> <Unnheulu> phail attempt to start a flame war
20100421 17:32:07< Unnheulu> <Gambit> Unnheulu: explorer.exe owns them all.
20100421 17:32:32< Gambit> ? It does.
20100421 17:32:41< Unnheulu> <Unnheulu> phail attempt to start a flame war
20100421 17:33:00< Unnheulu> Your tried continuing the aforementioned phail attempt at flame war
20100421 17:33:15< Unnheulu> At least, I think thats  what shadowmaster means
20100421 17:33:32< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: In another channel I called you wayfarer iirc 
20100421 17:33:36< shadowmaster> for once Unnheulu actually hits the nail.
20100421 17:33:43 * Gambit doesn't make flamewars. /me puts them out :o
20100421 17:33:43< shadowmaster> but I'm not wayfarer.
20100421 17:33:47< Unnheulu> I knows
20100421 17:33:57< shadowmaster> you should be shot in the head then
20100421 17:34:01< Gambit> Nobody in here was going to flame me for that.
20100421 17:34:05< Unnheulu> You said you doest not like being called shadow, so, I used the other nick :)
20100421 17:34:07< Gambit> And I wasn't going to flame anyone.
20100421 17:34:41< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: I like people to call me by my actual nickname, you fool
20100421 17:34:50< Gambit> ShikadiLord.
20100421 17:34:58< Unnheulu> You get moody with unnecessary bleeping :)
20100421 17:35:02< shadowmaster> Gambit: not in Wesnoth
20100421 17:35:07< Unnheulu> And it was just in casual conversation
20100421 17:35:19< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: only if you do it just for the sake of hilighting me.
20100421 17:35:23< Unnheulu> Ah
20100421 17:35:26< shadowmaster> example: Unnheulu Unnheulu Unnheulu Unnheulu 
20100421 17:35:42< Unnheulu> :/
20100421 17:35:45< Unnheulu> Weird
20100421 17:35:45< Gambit> Or making a joke that could just as easily used someone else.
20100421 17:36:19< Unnheulu> The little notification bubble that I've been bleeped is on my left monitor, but, my toolbar is on my right
20100421 17:36:22< Unnheulu> *panel :/
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20100421 17:37:29 * Unnheulu wants to someday contribute something to wesnoth, despite not knowing C++ or being unable to draw
20100421 17:37:37< Gambit> Unnheulu: Music?
20100421 17:37:49< shadowmaster> I doubt he can meet the music standards yet
20100421 17:37:50< Unnheulu> I only play guitar, not compose music..:P
20100421 17:38:01< Gambit> Translation.
20100421 17:38:13< shadowmaster> "No."
20100421 17:38:25< Gambit> Write a new campaign of mainline caliber
20100421 17:38:27< Unnheulu> Gambit: Who would care for a half-complete Welsh translation? :P
20100421 17:38:35< Unnheulu> I suck at finding storylines
20100421 17:38:50 * Unnheulu would only be able to write utils :/
20100421 17:39:03< Unnheulu> But, even those are unnecessary most of the time
20100421 17:40:03< shadowmaster> I think you only want a red title
20100421 17:40:40< Unnheulu> NO!
20100421 17:40:50< Gambit> Unnheulu: moderate the forums so the developers don't have to waste their time doing it.
20100421 17:41:05< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: Utils don't warrant a red title
20100421 17:41:10< Unnheulu> :P
20100421 17:41:31< Unnheulu> At least, I didn't think they did
20100421 17:42:05< shadowmaster> Gambit: no, Unnheulu is not fit for moderation.
20100421 17:42:13< Unnheulu> heh
20100421 17:42:24< Unnheulu> Gambit: Has you seen me in x-moto network?
20100421 17:42:25< shadowmaster> and in fact, nobody else is at the moment besides those who were chosen and invited (one of them rejected the offer)
20100421 17:42:52< shadowmaster> so stop pretending you own the forums if you value your account
20100421 17:43:04< Unnheulu> Is that comment directed at me? :(
20100421 17:43:16< shadowmaster> no, Gambit 
20100421 17:43:19< Unnheulu> Ah
20100421 17:43:30< Unnheulu> Wait, you would delete an account?
20100421 17:43:54< Gambit> shadowmaster: I wha??
20100421 17:44:19 * Unnheulu thinks that's slier than him banning someone for having the nick "Heil Satan"
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20100421 17:47:48< Unnheulu> Hey crazy yellow monkey
20100421 17:48:48< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: If I did, I would show more interest in learning C++, no? :P
20100421 17:50:19 * Unnheulu thinks if he makes a unit editor to shut IPS up, it won't support animations, cause anima can do that
20100421 17:50:24< shadowmaster> who said that all developers knew C++...
20100421 17:50:33< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: Which ones don't?
20100421 17:50:43< Unnheulu> :P
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20100421 17:51:29< shadowmaster> I'll tell you when you drop your bad habit of sticking your tongue out
20100421 17:51:37< Unnheulu> :|
20100421 17:52:03< Unnheulu> Ok :|
20100421 17:52:35< Unnheulu> Espre0n?
20100421 17:55:10< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: I stopped, honest! :|
20100421 17:56:13< Gambit> You probably have to stop for a while.
20100421 17:56:37< Gambit> You could be faking. :P
20100421 17:56:37< shadowmaster> he needs to get more common sense too.
20100421 17:56:40< Unnheulu> Blargh
20100421 17:56:54< Unnheulu> Heh
20100421 17:57:56< Unnheulu> hmm
20100421 17:58:05< Unnheulu> in C++, is :: the same as . in python?
20100421 17:58:27< shadowmaster> yes and no
20100421 17:58:28< Unnheulu> Eg, unit.person.mainguy()
20100421 17:59:33< shadowmaster> it's for namespace resolution, not for accessing struct/union members or members a class instance
20100421 17:59:36< shadowmaster> *of a
20100421 18:00:09< shadowmaster> it can be used to access static members as well
20100421 18:00:39 * Unnheulu pretends to understand :/
20100421 18:01:06< shadowmaster> I think I'm not speaking in any dialect a true Python would not understand
20100421 18:01:14< shadowmaster> *Python coder
20100421 18:01:24 * Unnheulu is not a true Python coder
20100421 18:01:48< Unnheulu> I've only used OOP for like a year
20100421 18:01:56< shadowmaster> you're on your own then. I'm not qualified for teaching people without proper programming background :)
20100421 18:02:15< Unnheulu> :-|
20100421 18:02:24< Unnheulu> (Cut off tongue)
20100421 18:03:00< Unnheulu> I think your right about gtkBuilder being able to open gladefiles
20100421 18:03:23< lizard_r> so would it be "math::arcsin", but "unit.hitpoints"?
20100421 18:03:24< shadowmaster> I don't have a right about that.
20100421 18:03:31< Unnheulu> In which case, I can compress the gladefile into the python file
20100421 18:03:46< shadowmaster> lizard_r: if such a thing as a "math" namespace was available, yes
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20100421 18:05:08< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: so, a namespace is a function/class?
20100421 18:05:21< shadowmaster> no
20100421 18:05:25< Unnheulu> oh >.>
20100421 18:05:32< Unnheulu> A variable in a function/class?
20100421 18:05:38< lizard_r> a namespace is a module you import
20100421 18:05:46< Unnheulu> Oh >.>
20100421 18:05:46< lizard_r> import antigravity
20100421 18:05:55< shadowmaster> lizard_r's explanation is not accurate, but good enough.
20100421 18:06:08< Unnheulu> Ok :/
20100421 18:06:09< shadowmaster> for Python people anyway
20100421 18:06:50< Unnheulu> So, antigravity.init() would be antigravity::init() in C++?
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20100421 18:07:40< shadowmaster> depends on what antigravity is and how it is designed and how it's supposed to be used.
20100421 18:07:46< Unnheulu> Blargh, function name init is possibly not a good example, but, meh
20100421 18:08:01< Unnheulu> okays
20100421 18:08:18< Unnheulu> Plus, in python, it would have to be antigravity.antigravity.init()
20100421 18:08:30< Unnheulu> (Unless its from antigravity import antigravity)
20100421 18:08:31< shadowmaster> seriously, learning C++ is not trivial, and you won't learn by asking questions until you have learnt the basics and can ask more specific questions.
20100421 18:08:41< shadowmaster> instead of general questions about the language's grammar and syntax.
20100421 18:08:46 * Unnheulu gave up at pointers
20100421 18:08:57< Unnheulu> Confused me too much :/
20100421 18:09:07< shadowmaster> then don't continue trying and try Java or C# first
20100421 18:09:14< Unnheulu> I am learning Java...
20100421 18:10:25< Unnheulu> Seems to be filled with unnecessary stuff, and too commonly gives me memory leaks :/
20100421 18:11:06< lizard_r> doesn't it have some kind of garbage collector?
20100421 18:11:13< Unnheulu> I mean, like, public static void, is that all needed?
20100421 18:11:27< Unnheulu> whats just wrong with class void <name> or something
20100421 18:11:33< Unnheulu> Or even better, just class <name>
20100421 18:11:44< shadowmaster> if you are asking that question then you have not really understood the basics of Java.
20100421 18:11:48< Unnheulu> Heh
20100421 18:12:01 * Unnheulu regrabs his book
20100421 18:12:13< Unnheulu> I seem to recall something on the subject of public/private
20100421 18:12:35< shadowmaster> public class CFoo { public static void foo() {} }  is a publicly visible class named CFOo which has a publicly visible method foo() that has no return value and has static linkage
20100421 18:13:05 * Unnheulu knows what public and void mean, just feels adding public on the front is a little excessive ;0
20100421 18:13:05< shadowmaster> but yeah, grab the damn book, stop asking questions here, study hard, and then maybe you'll be able to ask more intelligent questions.
20100421 18:13:17< Unnheulu> Still don't get static :)
20100421 18:13:25 * Unnheulu thinks he has angered shadowmaster
20100421 18:13:25< lizard_r> have you ever used "object._function" or "object.__function" in python?
20100421 18:13:32< shadowmaster> static linkage means that it doesn't belong to any class instance in particular
20100421 18:14:02< shadowmaster> more specifically, it doesn't belong to any class instance at all. It belongs to the class, period.
20100421 18:14:46< shadowmaster> public is required to make methods publicly visible because class members in Java are private by default IIRC (so they are in C++, unlike struct members)
20100421 18:16:59 * Unnheulu thinks he'll stick with python for now
20100421 18:17:05< Unnheulu> Simpler >.>
20100421 18:17:36< lizard_r> (my take at explaing STATIC) you have an ant with a variable mind, which is not static and unique to every ant. Ant also got a static variable "collectiveMind" that is shared among all ants.
20100421 18:18:00< lizard_r> this is for static variables, but functions are the same
20100421 18:19:42< lizard_r> in the ant simulator "AntMe" you develop a ant class (C#) that tries to gather food, fight, etc.. - if you want them to have a collectiev memory (each ant knows everything) you need to use static variables
20100421 18:20:11< Unnheulu> Ah, ok, thanks
20100421 18:20:15< elias> what if there is a second ant hive
20100421 18:20:24< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: I hope I haven't annoyed you too much...
20100421 18:20:34< Unnheulu> Lol, elias
20100421 18:20:59< lizard_r> that ant hive would use a different subclass of the ant main class
20100421 18:21:14< elias> heh
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20100421 18:21:33< Unnheulu> ITS THE WIKI WIZZZ!
20100421 18:21:34< lizard_r> you basically write your own ant sub class and then pitch it agains other's ants
20100421 18:21:35< Unnheulu> Hai
20100421 18:21:44< Aethaeryn> hai
20100421 18:21:52< elias> well, in python that would actually work, just create n new classes on the fly for n hives
20100421 18:22:02< elias> i still think the example is flawed :P
20100421 18:22:28< Unnheulu> Wait, python can have static variables to?
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20100421 18:22:38< elias> sure
20100421 18:22:39< lizard_r> AntMe is done by microsoft anyway, fond it on the ce'bit last year
20100421 18:22:41 * Unnheulu thought there was only global, and one inside the calss
20100421 18:22:45< Unnheulu> *class
20100421 18:22:47< elias> they might be called "class variables"
20100421 18:22:52< elias> but it's the same thing
20100421 18:23:50< Unnheulu> elias: How d'ya set them?
20100421 18:23:56< Unnheulu> It's not self. is it?
20100421 18:23:57< elias> class X: pass, x = X(), x.a = 2 (normal variable), X.a = 2 (static variable)
20100421 18:24:21< Unnheulu> Ah...
20100421 18:24:49< Unnheulu> So if X.a = 3, print x.a would be 3?
20100421 18:24:53< elias> yes
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20100421 18:25:07 * Unnheulu wished he knew how to do that before
20100421 18:25:21< Unnheulu> Would remove a load of looping in my programs
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20100421 18:26:12< Unnheulu> hmm?
20100421 18:26:19< Unnheulu> A class doesn't need an __init__ function?
20100421 18:27:18< elias> doesn't require it... but in most cases I'd say you want one
20100421 18:27:21< lizard_r> sure, you don't always need that - only nearly always :-)
20100421 18:27:38< Unnheulu> Someone pass me a gun...
20100421 18:27:53< Unnheulu> lizard_r: sometimes in a main class, for instance...
20100421 18:28:08 * lizard_r passes Unnheulu a gun
20100421 18:28:15 * Unnheulu shoots himselff
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20100421 18:28:53< Unnheulu> bbl
20100421 18:28:56< lizard_r> someone needs to clean up that mass now :-(
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20100421 18:29:00< Unnheulu> king elendil is always in a hurry ;/
20100421 18:29:02< Unnheulu> :/
20100421 18:29:08< Unnheulu> Bye shadowm_laptop
20100421 18:29:37< elias> lizard_r: let's just hope Unnheulu was reference counted
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20100421 18:38:29< Unnheulu> mm?
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20100421 18:41:01< Unnheulu> lizard_r: have you ever worked on something cool?
20100421 18:41:07< Unnheulu> *that I would find cool
20100421 18:41:19< Unnheulu> Like, an era, or campaign, or something
20100421 18:41:22< lizard_r> define "worked"
20100421 18:41:23< Unnheulu> I seem to remember...
20100421 18:41:34< Unnheulu> Started forum thread^^
20100421 18:41:39< lizard_r> I made a Free Saurian Faction
20100421 18:41:42< Unnheulu> To do with saurians?
20100421 18:41:45< Unnheulu> That's teh one
20100421 18:42:11< lizard_r> Jami merged several factions into the era of strife
20100421 18:42:18< Unnheulu> is that dead?
20100421 18:42:34< lizard_r> he disappered, though - development of our era halted
20100421 18:42:53< Unnheulu> Aww I liked the minotaurs
20100421 18:42:58< lizard_r> AI is the only othe one left, me made thithatha
20100421 18:42:59< Unnheulu> I never tried the free saurians :P
20100421 18:43:09< lizard_r> (I'll never spell that right)
20100421 18:43:27< lizard_r> there is no release for 1.8 I think
20100421 18:43:36< Unnheulu> Only in ageless
20100421 18:43:54< lizard_r> the images are on units.wesnot
20100421 18:43:58< lizard_r> http://units.wesnoth.org/1.6/C/era_strife_0.24.html
20100421 18:45:15< Unnheulu> lizard_r: spider?
20100421 18:45:21< lizard_r> If i where to pick on development now I would start by changing the mage line
20100421 18:45:26< lizard_r> yes, spiders
20100421 18:46:05< lizard_r> I need some scout and the Lizard rider does not look like one
20100421 18:48:01< lizard_r> Unnheulu make a guess: what was first, my nick or my faction?
20100421 18:48:20< Unnheulu> faction? :/
20100421 18:48:33< lizard_r> yes
20100421 18:48:49< Unnheulu> Made before joining forum?
20100421 18:48:53< Unnheulu> Or name change?
20100421 18:49:18< lizard_r> made before, was my reason to join
20100421 18:49:41< Unnheulu> Ah
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20100421 20:30:51< zookeeper> Ken_Oh, btw, i think zigg could use a helpful moderator to merge his huge rpg threads into one and tell him to keep it that way ;)
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20100421 20:40:55 * Unnheulu needs to work more on the gameplay of his game
20100421 20:41:08< Unnheulu> Atm, I'm spending ages on getting zoom to work >.<
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20100421 20:42:42< Unnheulu> Although I'm still not sure whether to do an rts or an rpg
20100421 20:42:47< Unnheulu> Both are possible at this stage
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20100421 20:45:02< lizard_r> Unnheulu:  what kind of game do you develop?
20100421 20:45:20< Unnheulu> Like I said, either an rts or an rpg
20100421 20:45:26< Unnheulu> This early on it can go either way
20100421 20:46:46< Unnheulu> To please shadowmaster, python code can look reeally ugly
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20100421 20:48:56< Unnheulu> lizard_r: you speak python, right?
20100421 20:49:01< lizard_r> yes
20100421 20:49:25< Unnheulu> Not C++?
20100421 20:49:35< lizard_r> no c++
20100421 20:49:41< Unnheulu> Not Java?
20100421 20:50:16< lizard_r> I made a c++ patch for wesnoth a while ago, but it was more or less guessing and looking at the sourounding code
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20100421 20:50:19< lizard_r> no jave
20100421 20:50:36< Unnheulu> Not Ruby?
20100421 20:50:42< lizard_r> i speek delphi (school) and a bit php, Sql
20100421 20:51:03< Unnheulu> ok^^
20100421 20:51:39< lizard_r> (crude) html/css doesn't count as a language i assume :-)
20100421 20:51:54< lizard_r> oh, and a bit wml
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20100421 20:53:48< lizard_r> Unnheulu, which graphical frontend does your game use, btw? I think I remember seeing you aroud pygame..
20100421 20:53:58< Unnheulu> Yeh pygame
20100421 20:54:09< Unnheulu> I touched pyglet a while back, but, there was reliability issues iirc
20100421 20:54:39< SgtFlame|Work> http://www.indiezen.org/screenshots/IndieGameBuilder_002.JPG
20100421 20:55:01< SgtFlame|Work> HTML5 map editor + game engine using GWT
20100421 20:55:22< Unnheulu> heh
20100421 20:55:27< lizard_r> is that a mockup or does it already work?
20100421 20:55:44< SgtFlame|Work> Prototype... not fully functional yet
20100421 20:57:25< lizard_r> will that become an enhanced editor for wesnoth scenarios and events?
20100421 20:57:56< SgtFlame|Work> Not really, I'm just borrowing the Wesnoth art to help show it off, but it's a general purpose game designer 
20100421 20:58:20< SgtFlame|Work> But the goal is to be able to create a game like Wesnoth using it.
20100421 20:59:03< zookeeper> aren't there some decent general purpose game creation apps already?
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20100421 20:59:28< SgtFlame|Work> Yes, there are several.
20100421 20:59:46 * Unnheulu has to use one in IT in school -.-
20100421 21:00:07< Unnheulu> Apparently using an actual programming/scripting language is too complicated
20100421 21:00:31< zookeeper> SgtFlame|Work, well, i assume yours is going to be different somehow, then?
20100421 21:00:47< SgtFlame|Work> Mine is 100% web based without requiring plugins.
20100421 21:00:59< SgtFlame|Work> Both the game engine as well as the tools.
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20100421 21:01:12< Unnheulu> Other than a html 5 supporting browser? :)
20100421 21:01:25< SgtFlame|Work> eh, ya... but that's coming soon enough :P
20100421 21:02:15< Unnheulu> heh
20100421 21:02:27< zookeeper> SgtFlame|Work, ok
20100421 21:02:30 * Unnheulu goes and commits his fixes to zooming in his game
20100421 21:02:43< SgtFlame|Work> I could see people using it instead of making Flash games
20100421 21:02:55< Unnheulu> Which language?
20100421 21:03:07< SgtFlame|Work> JavaScript + Java
20100421 21:03:21< Unnheulu> >.>
20100421 21:03:22< SgtFlame|Work> Although for the simple stuff, no Java code will be necessary.
20100421 21:03:30< Unnheulu> Which language does it make the game in?
20100421 21:03:34< Unnheulu> Or is it only playable online?
20100421 21:03:58< SgtFlame|Work> Only playable online
20100421 21:04:13< SgtFlame|Work> Facebook, iPhone, Android type games.
20100421 21:05:06< Unnheulu> ah kay
20100421 21:05:09< SgtFlame|Work> For other game types, I'd stick with C++
20100421 21:05:25< Unnheulu> Anyone round here in wales?
20100421 21:05:31< Unnheulu> If so, look north-west
20100421 21:10:15< SgtFlame|Work> The wesnoth art is awesome btw
20100421 21:10:49< SgtFlame|Work> I'll see if I can get my girlfriend to match the style and provide some more tile sets
20100421 21:11:43< Unnheulu> heh
20100421 21:11:49< Unnheulu> Do it, or else!
20100421 21:11:54< Unnheulu> I punch you!
20100421 21:12:07< Unnheulu> And don't bother getting me done for domestic violence
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20100421 21:12:20< Unashower> c'ya
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20100421 21:50:35< pfunked> Anyone available to answer an art license question?
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20100421 21:54:53< pfunked> does anyone know if art released only under CC-BY-SA is allowed into Wesnoth?
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20100421 22:02:41< zookeeper> pfunked, i'd guess not
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20100421 22:04:06< zookeeper> IIRC there's nothing about attribution in the GPL, but i could be wrong
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20100421 22:12:18< pfunked> Thanks zookeeper.  We're looking at our license options on OpenGameArt and it looks like GPL is important for art, for projects like wesnoth
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20100421 23:35:33< sk-> Who is to blame for that god awful lobby? I seriously can't even join a game because it bounces around so much. I don't even know how people are joining games. Everyone must just be randomly joining whatever game the convulsion-inducing back-and-forth scrolling of the games lands you on.
20100421 23:35:46< sk-> Also if I let the game idle I come back and it has crashed.
20100421 23:35:58< Samwise> Restart it
20100421 23:36:21< sk-> Yes, that's what I do if it crashes.
20100421 23:36:35< sk-> Bottomline: Release of 1.8 was very premature.
20100421 23:36:58< sk-> This is going to turn off new players, disappoint old players, and discourage the sometimes players.
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20100421 23:37:40< sk-> Has there been a change in leadership from 1.6 => 1.8 ?
20100421 23:38:04< Ivanovic> sk-: patches are welcome
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20100421 23:38:19< Ivanovic> sk-: and during the betas there would have been lots of time for feedback...
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20100421 23:38:24< Ivanovic> ;)
20100421 23:38:40< sk-> I'd like to see 1.8 shut down and everyone go back 1.6 until this is fixed.
20100421 23:38:50< sk-> Leading up to 1.6 I gave tons of feedback and bug reports.
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20100421 23:39:13< sk-> I haven't had time for this release although would I have known I would have been involved.
20100421 23:39:29< Ivanovic> and in fact the lobby is usable
20100421 23:39:38< Ivanovic> for example scroll through the game list using the arrow keys
20100421 23:39:41< Ivanovic> no strange jumping
20100421 23:39:49< Ivanovic> or rely on filters for seeing open games and the likes
20100421 23:39:53< sk-> Doesn't work for me, I tried that strategy.
20100421 23:40:35< sk-> Just the look of the interface is counterintuitive and in spots downright wrong. Why is the "lobby" button under rooms literally leaning against the text.
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20100421 23:41:26< sk-> I've been using Wesnoth for years and I can't figure out the lobby. I can't even imagine how someone who is new to the game would navigate it.
20100421 23:41:30< Ivanovic> sk-: provide bug reports for issues not yet reported at bugs.wesnoth.org
20100421 23:41:53< sk-> Will do.
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20100421 23:42:59< sk-> Hopefully I don't induce a seizure in the process.
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