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20100427 00:05:21< Aethaeryn> Gambit: can you think of an extremely quick and elegant way to fullheal on village?
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20100427 00:05:35< Aethaeryn> or is it a hackish kind of thing
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20100427 00:16:11< Gambit> Aethaeryn: A moveto event for *^Vh,*^Vc, et cetera.
20100427 00:16:40< Gambit> I think there's only about 7 overlay terrain layers that are villages.
20100427 00:16:42< Gambit> Probably less.
20100427 00:17:15< Gambit> Unless you want them to pay for it.
20100427 00:17:28< Gambit> Then a [set_menu_item] for the same terrains.
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20100427 00:17:36< Gambit> Unless you want them to have to wait for it.
20100427 00:17:49< Gambit> Then a side turn event that stores all units on those terrains.
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20100427 00:18:14< Gambit> Which would look like normal village healing if done right.
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20100427 00:19:28< Gambit> Aethaeryn: You store them on a side turn. Loop through them. For each one you set a variable to max_hitpoints. Subtract their current hitpoints from it (the difference). Then set their current to their max and unstore it with floating text of "$difference" and play the healing sound.
20100427 00:19:53< Gambit> To the player it looks EXACTLY like regular village healing.
20100427 00:20:00< Gambit> It just happens to heal all their hp.
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20100427 00:24:15< Aethaeryn> oooh
20100427 00:24:47< Gambit> Also side turn may even take place before regular village healing.
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20100427 00:25:11< Gambit> I can't remember Wesnoth's event order of operations
20100427 00:25:28< Gambit> And I can't look it up.
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20100427 00:26:45< Gambit> if not it will heal 8 and then heal the rest and it will look a little bit weird.
20100427 00:26:54< Gambit> But still functionally the same.
20100427 00:29:21< mrEPIC> Gambit: yes it is before healing, according to the wiki
20100427 00:30:28< Gambit> mrEPIC: Thanks! I'm jealous that the website is still working for you :P
20100427 00:30:34< Gambit> I need my forum fix. XD
20100427 00:30:41< mrEPIC> it did take a while to load
20100427 00:30:57< Gambit> mine decides to give up because it takes too long...
20100427 00:30:57< mrEPIC> and I can't play because it's lagging so much with random number generation
20100427 00:31:21< mrEPIC> so i'm just translating Haunted Woods into chinese
20100427 00:31:31< mrEPIC> would you happen to know a good word for "upgrade"
20100427 00:31:54< mrEPIC> I can think of 'level up'
20100427 00:34:53< Gambit> ascend
20100427 00:34:58< Gambit> improve
20100427 00:35:43< mrEPIC> oh I could say 'power improvement'
20100427 00:35:45< mrEPIC> thanks for the help
20100427 00:35:57< Gambit> promote
20100427 00:36:00< Gambit> promotion...
20100427 00:37:47< mrEPIC> how about names? do you think it should be translated phonetically or just left the way it is?
20100427 00:38:52< mrEPIC> hmm I think I just leave those alone
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20100427 00:57:41< Gambit> By George I think he's got it.
20100427 01:06:42< mrEPIC> how do I turn on timestamps in xchat?
20100427 01:06:52< mrEPIC> I wonder how long ago Gambit said that
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20100427 01:09:33< Gambit|Laptop> All the coo peope are doing it.
20100427 01:11:50< Gambit|Laptop> The text is so giant on ubuntu pidgin.
20100427 01:11:58< Gambit|Laptop> Maybe that's this tiny resolution though...
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20100427 01:26:29< Gambit|Laptop> Aethaeryn: How goes your dungeony thing?
20100427 01:26:46< mrEPIC> yay finished translating the first scenario
20100427 01:27:35 * Jarkko_ claps hands.
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20100427 01:29:44< Gambit|Laptop> Jarkko_: Did you just get a strange message by any chance?
20100427 01:30:31< Jarkko_> No, I don't think so.
20100427 01:30:50< Gambit|Laptop> Darn. I am testing out memoserv.
20100427 01:30:58< Aethaeryn> Gambit|Laptop: how many right-click menu options can you get?
20100427 01:31:07< Aethaeryn> right now at some places I have 4
20100427 01:31:11< Aethaeryn> I need to know if 2 more are okay
20100427 01:31:12< Gambit|Laptop> I think a max of 9 can be displayed _at a time_
20100427 01:31:15< Aethaeryn> ah
20100427 01:31:16< Aethaeryn> GREAT
20100427 01:31:29< Gambit|Laptop> don't quote me on that ;)
20100427 01:31:30< Aethaeryn> sorry iPhone players (if they have rclick) :P
20100427 01:31:36< Aethaeryn> myeah
20100427 01:31:40< Aethaeryn> mit is
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20100427 01:32:04< Aethaeryn> the trouble with two screens is that you can't tell if you alt-tabbed successfully or not since you see both things fullscreen :P
20100427 01:32:25< Gambit|Laptop> Can iphone players even get UMC?
20100427 01:32:36< Gambit|Laptop> I think I asked about that and got a no.
20100427 01:32:46< Aethaeryn> can they get MP?
20100427 01:32:49< Gambit|Laptop> Yes.
20100427 01:32:56< Aethaeryn> MP without UMC is meh
20100427 01:33:04< Gambit|Laptop> I think anyway...\
20100427 01:33:07< Gambit|Laptop> Maybe just ad hoc?
20100427 01:33:26< Aethaeryn> iPhone is ghey
20100427 01:33:27< Gambit|Laptop> My screen is tied up right now. 
20100427 01:33:37< Aethaeryn> they should port Wesnoth to the Nexus One
20100427 01:33:41< Gambit|Laptop> Because my TV isn't HD I decided to hook my ps3 to my PC monitor.
20100427 01:33:42< Aethaeryn> much better phone, better screen too
20100427 01:33:55< Gambit|Laptop> But I'm being nice and letting my little brother on the ps3.
20100427 01:34:05< Gambit|Laptop> Which sticks me with this PoS laptop...
20100427 01:34:16< Gambit|Laptop> It won't even boot XP anymore...
20100427 01:34:21< Gambit|Laptop> Blegh linux
20100427 01:34:30< Aethaeryn> Linux > Windows Vista
20100427 01:34:39< Aethaeryn> the only thing it can't do good is commercial gaming
20100427 01:34:49< Gambit|Laptop> No Aethaeryn that's the greater than sign.
20100427 01:34:51< Gambit|Laptop> ;)
20100427 01:34:52< Aethaeryn> and they get increasingly more (1) rip-off in costs and trying to be like consoles
20100427 01:35:09< Aethaeryn> and (2) laden with DRM
20100427 01:35:17< Aethaeryn> I don't know if I'll ever buy another PC game
20100427 01:35:39< Zerovirus> oh yay it's lagging again :D
20100427 01:35:51< Gambit|Laptop> I probably will in the year between when ps4 comes out and when I can actually afford one :\
20100427 01:36:01< Jarkko_> My head is lagging... <_<;
20100427 01:36:03< Gambit|Laptop> But there's plenty other reasons to stay on PC :)
20100427 01:36:10< Aethaeryn> if they keep doing stupid things like requiring an internet connection to play SP just so it can phone home...
20100427 01:36:16< Aethaeryn> I'll punch someone.
20100427 01:36:18< Aethaeryn> Seriously.
20100427 01:36:30< Gambit|Laptop> Aethaeryn it's like this democracy thing... it's just a fad.
20100427 01:36:33< Aethaeryn> When I play SP I do it *because* I don't have an Internet connection, kthxbai
20100427 01:36:53< Zerovirus> aaaagh lag >.<
20100427 01:37:29< Gambit|Laptop> Jarkko_: /msg memoserv lis
20100427 01:37:31< Aethaeryn> Gambit|Laptop: it's only a fad if people stop buying PC games
20100427 01:37:31< Gambit|Laptop> *list
20100427 01:37:49< Aethaeryn> and vote with their wallets
20100427 01:38:02< Gambit|Laptop> Aethaeryn: Supposedly they're working on a patch that lets you play SP without internet as we speak.
20100427 01:38:02< Zerovirus> yayyy WML child missing and I just got lagged out
20100427 01:38:03< Jarkko_> [02:42.42] --MemoServ-- You are not logged in.
20100427 01:38:11< Gambit|Laptop> But this is ubisoft we're talking about.
20100427 01:38:20< Aethaeryn> Zerovirus: it might be the server
20100427 01:38:28< Gambit|Laptop> They're lucky if they can wipe their a** on time.
20100427 01:38:45< Zerovirus> Or it's my connection? I do have a worse connection than usual this time.
20100427 01:38:53< Aethaeryn> Gambit|Laptop: or you could just buy it console.
20100427 01:38:58< Aethaeryn> Assassin's Creed 2 was fun.
20100427 01:39:07< Aethaeryn> But I played it offline on my 360
20100427 01:39:08< Gambit|Laptop> I'm ticked off at ubisoft in general.
20100427 01:39:19< Aethaeryn> I'm ticked off at Ubisoft and EA (Sims 3)
20100427 01:39:24< Aethaeryn> both of them so much DRM too
20100427 01:39:31< Gambit|Laptop> It's been what two years since HAWX came out and 50% of people still can't play online pc...
20100427 01:39:32< Aethaeryn> and I'm ticked off at Microsoft Games for killing Ensemble Studios
20100427 01:39:50< Aethaeryn> after making them produce the crap that is Halo Wars for their final game, another failed attempt at an RTS on console.
20100427 01:39:54< Gambit|Laptop> "We'll have a patch soon"
20100427 01:40:22< Gambit|Laptop> I'm also mad at LucasArts for spending money on all these side ventures I don't care about.
20100427 01:41:02< Aethaeryn> and for not having a BF3
20100427 01:41:05< Aethaeryn> so hey
20100427 01:41:08< Aethaeryn> I'm mad at all publishers
20100427 01:41:14< Aethaeryn> and so are you :P
20100427 01:41:24< Aethaeryn> gaming has gone too "mainstream"
20100427 01:41:34< Gambit|Laptop> The only companies I can honestly say I'm happy with would be NaughtyDog (have never made a mistake IMO), MediaMolecule (biggest bang per buck EVER) and SquareEnix (who can do no wrong in my eyes).
20100427 01:41:44< Gambit|Laptop> Actually I'm a little upset at Square.
20100427 01:42:07< Gambit|Laptop> FF13 is still good, but it's good on the rest of the industries level. It's not good on the scale Square's games ussually rate on.
20100427 01:42:07< Aethaeryn> PC gaming is awful too... MMORPGs going for addiction and draining as many hours as possible... as well as being ripoffs getting you to pay more than once for something
20100427 01:42:12< Aethaeryn> and Sims 3 nickle-and-diming you
20100427 01:42:18< Gambit|Laptop> But Just Cause 2 picks up some slack
20100427 01:42:21< Aethaeryn> and don't get me started about "Social Gaming"
20100427 01:42:25< Aethaeryn> basically Facebook games.
20100427 01:42:32< Aethaeryn> And those three probably cover most of PC games these days
20100427 01:43:05< Gambit|Laptop> I guess all those I named are console :\
20100427 01:44:21< Aethaeryn> don't get me started on the iPhone/Android app stores
20100427 01:44:21< Gambit|Laptop> There was this one really cool PC game called Wesnoth :)
20100427 01:44:32< Aethaeryn> getting you to pay for things you could get for free on flash gaming sites
20100427 01:44:42< Jarkko_> Just crossed my mind - Is there a subject, that has not been turned into a game?
20100427 01:44:53< Zerovirus> Poetry.
20100427 01:44:57< Aethaeryn> water skiing squirrels
20100427 01:45:04< Gambit|Laptop> Aethaeryn: There's a game of that.
20100427 01:45:12< Zerovirus> Using the bathroom
20100427 01:45:13< Gambit|Laptop> It's probably on the wii.
20100427 01:45:18< Gambit|Laptop> Zerovirus: There's a game for that.
20100427 01:45:41< Gambit|Laptop> Wii Restroom Resort
20100427 01:46:12< Gambit|Laptop> Aethaeryn: Will you join my in my LucasArts boycott?
20100427 01:46:44< Gambit|Laptop> Except for Renegade Squadren (once I get a psp) they are not getting any of my money until the next console Battlefront iteration.
20100427 01:46:49< Zerovirus> Is there a game about boycotting?
20100427 01:46:57< Aethaeryn> Gambit|Laptop: I've given up gaming
20100427 01:47:00< Aethaeryn> except for Wesnoth
20100427 01:47:07< Aethaeryn> otherwise I would have flunked out this semester
20100427 01:47:12< Aethaeryn> instead of getting As and Bs (hopefully)
20100427 01:47:14< Gambit|Laptop> Zerovirus: if there is a game that features the american resolution...
20100427 01:47:20< Aethaeryn> I even got 100 on a tough logic exam
20100427 01:47:20< Gambit|Laptop> *revolution
20100427 01:47:33< Zerovirus> I'm considering making an era about revolution.
20100427 01:47:35< Aethaeryn> that apparently would lower you to a B if you got even one proof wrong
20100427 01:47:37< Zerovirus> Based on the communist revoltuion of china.
20100427 01:47:45< Zerovirus> It would have spammable peasant-type units
20100427 01:47:50< Zerovirus> banner toting leadership units
20100427 01:47:57< Zerovirus> guerrilla fighters
20100427 01:47:59< Zerovirus> that kinda thing
20100427 01:48:06< Gambit|Laptop> And you always have a negative income.
20100427 01:48:11< Jarkko_> Zerovirus: I don't think there's a game, that concentrates on boycotting - but there are games with boycott as a feature.
20100427 01:48:14< Gambit|Laptop> Villages only control how far negative you are. :)
20100427 01:48:14< Zerovirus> lol
20100427 01:48:29< Zerovirus> actually there'd be a pillager unit that grants extra income
20100427 01:48:35< Zerovirus> Every revolution has pillagers :P
20100427 01:48:42< Aethaeryn> ah
20100427 01:48:50< Aethaeryn> well, I'll make a Cuban revolution variant of your era
20100427 01:48:50< Zerovirus> And the stronger units are mercenaries
20100427 01:48:56< Aethaeryn> it'll be similar
20100427 01:48:56< Gambit|Laptop> jk. They give you so much money in the final scenario that you're able to buy your enemy because they go into HUGE debt in another war.
20100427 01:48:57< Zerovirus> that cost a ton to buy but are super strong
20100427 01:48:58< Aethaeryn> but it will have Che
20100427 01:48:59< Aethaeryn> and cigars
20100427 01:49:16< Aethaeryn> and cameo the Corleone family from Godfather 2
20100427 01:49:19< Gambit|Laptop> Also you sell them cheaply made --painted with poison-- toys for really low prices
20100427 01:49:22< Aethaeryn> except without naming them
20100427 01:49:25< Aethaeryn> since that would be a copyvio
20100427 01:50:26< Aethaeryn> oh
20100427 01:50:30< Aethaeryn> and you won't be able to kill the leader unit
20100427 01:50:38< Zerovirus> whyyyyy
20100427 01:50:39< Aethaeryn> the CIA and the mafia will keep trying for decades
20100427 01:50:53< Gambit|Laptop> Zerovirus: Ironically: Revolution by the Beatles is on the radio _right now_
20100427 01:50:54< Zerovirus> Sigh. I've always wanted to make a Cave Story era except that would also be copy vio.
20100427 01:51:06< Aethaeryn> I'll make a cave story era
20100427 01:51:09< Aethaeryn> Plato's cave story.
20100427 01:51:17< Aethaeryn> From The Republic.
20100427 01:51:18< Gambit|Laptop> 107.5 FM near Bedford PA
20100427 01:51:33< Aethaeryn> Zerovirus: tell PK I'm suffering from lag
20100427 01:51:38< Aethaeryn> so he doesn't get bored or something
20100427 01:51:41< Aethaeryn> waiting for an attack to resolve
20100427 01:51:42< Gambit|Laptop> Where I don't live :l
20100427 01:51:54< Zerovirus> Done
20100427 01:51:59< Jarkko_> Aethaeryn: You don't mean the one about people chained to the wall watching shadows and stuff?
20100427 01:52:00< Gambit|Laptop> Wait... so the server seriously does handle random numbers now?
20100427 01:52:07< Aethaeryn> Jarkko_: that's exactly what I mean.
20100427 01:52:09< Gambit|Laptop> I thought that was part of the april fools joke o_O
20100427 01:52:13< Aethaeryn> It's so overdone in my philosophy classes
20100427 01:52:37< Aethaeryn> It's been in Intro...
20100427 01:52:47< Aethaeryn> and in Ancient Philosophy...
20100427 01:52:53< Aethaeryn> and probably at least referenced in two others :P
20100427 01:53:00< Aethaeryn> And I've only taken 5 or so.
20100427 01:53:31< Gambit|Laptop> Yay he rage quit LBP. Back to the good computer.
20100427 01:53:52< Jarkko_> Well, on our philosophy classes we even organized a small "play" of it... or actually it was a live demonstration...
20100427 01:54:01< Jarkko_> You know, for those who just don't get it...
20100427 01:54:38< Gambit> Weird... Gambit|Laptop also highlights me.
20100427 01:54:56< Zerovirus> LBP?
20100427 01:55:14< Aethaeryn> oh
20100427 01:55:22< Aethaeryn> and I'm just in an Ancient Philosophy 400-level seminar
20100427 01:55:32< Aethaeryn> so when I take the 300-level History of Ancient Philosophy proper...
20100427 01:55:36< Aethaeryn> I'll probably hear it again XD
20100427 01:55:41< Gambit> I guess that's why shadowma, shadowmom, etc also highlighted SM? If it stops at punctuation then shadowm_laptop would be triggered by "shadowm"
20100427 01:55:50< Gambit> Zerovirus: Little Big Planet
20100427 01:56:03< Aethaeryn> but yeah
20100427 01:56:15< shadowmaster> Gambit: stop trying to reverse-engineer my regular expressions if you value your ability to think
20100427 01:56:22< Zerovirus> Uh-huh.
20100427 01:56:26< Zerovirus> I feel a sprite coming on.
20100427 01:56:27 * Gambit flees
20100427 01:56:33< Aethaeryn> shadowmockery is what Gambit does.
20100427 01:56:49< shadowmaster> it's annoying, seriously.
20100427 01:57:26< Gambit> Sorry.
20100427 01:57:43< Jarkko_> I wonder, who owns the copyright of The Republic nowadays...
20100427 01:57:57< shadowmaster> nobody
20100427 01:57:57< Zerovirus> Greece as a communist whole
20100427 01:58:00< Zerovirus> :P
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20100427 01:58:24< Aethaeryn> *socialist*
20100427 01:58:25< Aethaeryn> :P
20100427 01:58:30< Jarkko_> Then in fact one could make a campaign or an era out of it :P
20100427 01:58:54< Aethaeryn> exactly
20100427 01:58:56< Aethaeryn> The Republic era
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20100427 01:59:02< Aethaeryn> divided into guardians...
20100427 01:59:12< Aethaeryn> and the other classes whose names I don't remember from last spring
20100427 01:59:14< Jarkko_> That is unless Plato himself suddenly rises from Hades...<_<;
20100427 01:59:42< Gambit> I wonder what the legal precedent is on revived authors.
20100427 01:59:57< Gambit> I guess we'll find out some day when some idiot decides to clone Walt Disney
20100427 02:00:06< Gambit> His brain is on ice right?
20100427 02:00:26< Aethaeryn> or when Jesus has his 2nd coming
20100427 02:00:31< Aethaeryn> and claims copyright on the Bible.
20100427 02:00:37< Jarkko_> Well... AFAIK, dead persons have no rights or duties whatsoever...
20100427 02:00:42< Aethaeryn> And sues the people who have ridiculous copyright on new modern translations
20100427 02:00:44< Aethaeryn> like the NIV
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20100427 02:01:28< Jarkko_> I think, legally a person can be either alive or dead... But not revived.
20100427 02:01:31< Gambit> What about the Lolcat one?
20100427 02:01:35< Hethrir> Hello
20100427 02:01:46< Gambit> Jarkko_: People die temporarily all the time in hospitals.
20100427 02:01:57< Hethrir> Gambit is right
20100427 02:02:06< Aethaeryn> Zerovirus: damn it, more lag.
20100427 02:02:08< Hethrir> Because I said so :o
20100427 02:02:12< Zerovirus> >.>
20100427 02:02:44< Jarkko_> Gambit: But I guess the legal "death" only fires in when a person has been declared dead and there's a death certificate of it.
20100427 02:02:45< Gambit> Do they have to stop your heard to replace a valve?
20100427 02:02:50< Gambit> If so then I've been revived twice :o
20100427 02:02:55< Gambit> *heart
20100427 02:02:58< Aethaeryn> too bad atheists do not have a true sense of humor
20100427 02:03:02< Aethaeryn> stupid flying spaghetti monster.
20100427 02:03:09< Aethaeryn> they should bring up "Cthulhu"
20100427 02:03:12< Hethrir> ?
20100427 02:03:13< Aethaeryn> when they mock religion.
20100427 02:03:36< Zerovirus> I always thought the flying spaghetti monster was Cthulhu's hairball.
20100427 02:03:43< Hethrir> Ahh
20100427 02:03:47< Gambit> He blasphemed!
20100427 02:03:52< Aethaeryn> Cthulhu could eat the FSM for breakfast
20100427 02:03:56< Hethrir> Who did?
20100427 02:04:18< Zerovirus> Well yeah he could but who would want to eat their hairball back up?
20100427 02:04:22< Zerovirus> Exactly why he doesn't.
20100427 02:04:25< Zerovirus> It's beneath Him.
20100427 02:04:27< Zerovirus> It
20100427 02:04:29< Zerovirus> Whatever
20100427 02:04:46 * Hethrir is confused
20100427 02:04:48< Gambit> Aethaeryn: http://xkcd.com/725/ :)
20100427 02:04:55< Gambit> eat him for breakfast...
20100427 02:05:16< Hethrir> I've already seen that one :(
20100427 02:05:30< Aethaeryn> Zerovirus: say something in game
20100427 02:05:34< Aethaeryn> so I can see if there's lag please
20100427 02:05:48< Zerovirus> okay I totally did that
20100427 02:06:30< Aethaeryn> ok
20100427 02:06:36< Aethaeryn> oh
20100427 02:06:40< Gambit> Yes they do stop your heart for the Ross Procedure.
20100427 02:06:40< Aethaeryn> there's so much lag
20100427 02:06:50< Gambit> Jarkko_: I've died twice!
20100427 02:07:35< Gambit> Wikipedia is so cool...
20100427 02:07:43< Gambit> Whoever started it needs a nobel.
20100427 02:07:45< Hethrir> Yes, it is
20100427 02:07:55< Hethrir> They don't already :O
20100427 02:08:00< Hethrir> : O
20100427 02:09:43< Jarkko_> Gambit: Dammit, you're a lich then :o
20100427 02:10:27< Aethaeryn> Gambit: just edit it in on Wikipedia that they already have one
20100427 02:10:31< Aethaeryn> and then no one will doubt it
20100427 02:11:26 * Gambit wonders if there is a page on Ignacio Morelle
20100427 02:11:32< Shiya-Shia> lol, also when did this channel stop being #idlerpg
20100427 02:11:54< Gambit> Guess who's getting a wikipedia page!
20100427 02:11:59< Hethrir> Who?
20100427 02:12:04< Hethrir> You :O
20100427 02:12:06< Gambit> No.
20100427 02:12:33< Hethrir> Ignacio Morelle
20100427 02:12:35< Hethrir> ?
20100427 02:12:48< Gambit> Hell yeah! Too bad I don't know anything about him...
20100427 02:13:01< Hethrir> You know more then me :/
20100427 02:13:05< Gambit> Except that he has a bookshelf by his bathroom door.
20100427 02:13:08< Gambit> That's all I got...
20100427 02:13:20< Jarkko_> Gambit: In face of amiguity - do an interview!
20100427 02:13:30< Hethrir> Oh
20100427 02:13:39< Gambit> Jarkko_: I wonder if he'd let me interview him.
20100427 02:13:39< Hethrir> Well, at least you know his name
20100427 02:13:52-!- mthe [~mthe@unaffiliated/mthe] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20100427 02:13:54< Hethrir> hehehee how does that come up in conversation?
20100427 02:13:57-!- Aethaeryn is now known as Ignacio_Morelle
20100427 02:14:00< Gambit> He gets mad when I talk about him so...
20100427 02:14:05-!- Ignacio_Morelle is now known as Aethaeryn
20100427 02:14:05< Aethaeryn> :P
20100427 02:14:09< Hethrir> :O
20100427 02:14:13< Aethaeryn> not registered
20100427 02:14:17< Gambit> Hethrir: No that's not it. :)
20100427 02:14:21< Hethrir> I though I heard Ignacio from somewhere
20100427 02:14:26< Hethrir> :p
20100427 02:14:30< Aethaeryn> Gambit: who is he?
20100427 02:14:36< Aethaeryn> that guy from that movie?
20100427 02:14:49< Aethaeryn> It sounds familiar
20100427 02:14:51< Gambit> Aethaeryn: It rhymes with meadow blaster
20100427 02:15:24< Aethaeryn> oh
20100427 02:15:27< Aethaeryn> damn it.
20100427 02:15:36< Aethaeryn> now he's going to read the logs and murder me
20100427 02:15:41< Aethaeryn> Gambit: why didn't you warn me not to nick to it?
20100427 02:15:57< Aethaeryn> I thought it was some kinda movie character.
20100427 02:15:59< Gambit> I thought you knew. You seem more involved in the community than me :$
20100427 02:16:04< Aethaeryn> since it sounded vaguely familiar :P
20100427 02:16:24< Gambit> I didn't even know who ESR was until like last month :\
20100427 02:16:52< Jarkko_> That's the thing with nicknames...
20100427 02:16:55< Hethrir> Ya
20100427 02:16:58< Shiya-Shia> seriously, when did #wesnoth turn into a party channel
20100427 02:17:02< Hethrir> Sirp + Ivanovic got me
20100427 02:17:04 * Aethaeryn points to Gambit 
20100427 02:17:25< Hethrir> Since developers broke loose
20100427 02:17:35< Hethrir> From the dev channel :p
20100427 02:18:00< Aethaeryn> Gambit: you owe me village heal code now
20100427 02:18:08< Aethaeryn> because I might be in trouble :P
20100427 02:18:24< Gambit> I gave you detailed pseudocode.
20100427 02:18:27< Jarkko_> Since people suddenly found out there was a lot to talk about... *shrug*
20100427 02:18:38< Hethrir> Can I have the psuedo-code :D
20100427 02:19:09< Gambit> Hethrir: (6:19:19 PM) Gambit: Aethaeryn: You store them on a side turn. Loop through them. For each one you set a variable to max_hitpoints. Subtract their current hitpoints from it (the difference). Then set their current to their max and unstore it with floating text of "$difference" and play the healing sound.
20100427 02:19:11< Aethaeryn> Zerovirus: still green turn?
20100427 02:19:15< Zerovirus> yup
20100427 02:19:43< Hethrir> Ahh
20100427 02:20:18< Jarkko_> Ack. How am I supposed to write about a large, epic battle and stretch it to a length of an entire chapter, so that the readers won't fall asleep halfway?
20100427 02:20:36< Hethrir> Add pictures
20100427 02:20:42< Hethrir> People like pictures
20100427 02:20:49< Aethaeryn> act it out in Wesnoth
20100427 02:20:53< Aethaeryn> and then do a play-by-play
20100427 02:21:12< Aethaeryn> "And then the ancient lich moved to fry the dwarvish lord, but the RNG was in his favor... And next turn, the hammer came down. Hard."
20100427 02:21:40< Hethrir> lawl?
20100427 02:22:01< Gambit> Aethaeryn: I wouldn't worry about trouble.
20100427 02:22:04< Gambit> It was clearly my fault.
20100427 02:22:09< Gambit> But it's not like you murdered anyone anyways.
20100427 02:24:11< Hethrir> Becasue I want to hear to :D
20100427 02:24:30< Hethrir> *Because
20100427 02:24:42< Gambit> I guess we could join and find out.
20100427 02:24:48< Gambit> The pound sign denotes a channel?
20100427 02:25:01< Hethrir> I did join :(
20100427 02:25:04< Hethrir> No dice
20100427 02:25:09< Issyl> what is going on in here
20100427 02:25:18< Issyl> why is the chat suddenly busy without my permission
20100427 02:25:21< Jarkko_> Issyl: Random chatter.
20100427 02:25:25< Hethrir> :p
20100427 02:26:57< Gambit> Hethrir: http://idlerpg.numist.net/newdlebot/
20100427 02:27:24< Shiya-Shia> oh... does it look like there will be a patch soon for 1.8 multiplayer? So that I don't have to spend dozens of seconds trying to navigate the room list?
20100427 02:27:24< Aethaeryn> only 165? busier servers than freenode
20100427 02:27:34< Aethaeryn> plus ssh is cheating
20100427 02:27:47< Shiya-Shia> I played #idlerpg once, but I forget on one server
20100427 02:27:58< Shiya-Shia> I'm afraid to check in case I d/c and delevel something
20100427 02:28:07< Shiya-Shia> what server*
20100427 02:28:58< Hethrir> Hmm doesn't look that interesting
20100427 02:29:53 * Gambit is now a level 0 WMLGuru
20100427 02:31:41 * Hethrir is now a level 0 CodeMonkey
20100427 02:31:47< Hethrir> > : )
20100427 02:31:57 * Aethaeryn is now a level 0 Walking Corpse
20100427 02:32:09 * Hethrir is afraid
20100427 02:32:23< Gambit> You don't smell like a codemonkey.
20100427 02:32:40< Hethrir> : O
20100427 02:32:45 * Aethaeryn demonstrates that in a level 0 world, WCs win
20100427 02:33:11< Hethrir> You bring back memories ><
20100427 02:33:36< Hethrir> Peasants so many peasants  
20100427 02:34:32< Shiya-Shia> Now I want a lvl 2 WC :V
20100427 02:35:02< Gambit> Shiya-Shia: Play Ascension Era
20100427 02:35:03< Gambit> plug plug
20100427 02:35:11< Shiya-Shia> heh
20100427 02:35:23 * Gambit was not paid to say that... probably.
20100427 02:35:24< Shiya-Shia> That reminds me, I haven't downloaded any eras for 1.8 yet
20100427 02:37:27< Aethaeryn> Zerovirus: lag?
20100427 02:38:04< Zerovirus> yup
20100427 02:38:50< Zerovirus> I think I might get lagged out
20100427 02:39:10< Zerovirus> I'm kinda late to the party, but...
20100427 02:39:28 * Zerovirus is now a level OVER 9000 noob
20100427 02:39:36< Zerovirus> oh yup I got lagged out
20100427 02:39:49< Zerovirus> I don't think I'll be coming back, though.
20100427 02:40:08< Hethrir> Gambit leveled
20100427 02:40:10< Hethrir> noooooooooo
20100427 02:40:28< Aethaeryn> Zerovirus: huh?
20100427 02:40:35< Aethaeryn> got to go or can I just switch to server2?
20100427 02:40:45< Zerovirus> Eh, I don't feel like playing.
20100427 02:40:49< Zerovirus> I feel like doing a few sprites.
20100427 02:40:53< Zerovirus> Sorry >.>
20100427 02:41:04< Hethrir> You do sprites?
20100427 02:41:20< Aethaeryn> ,,,
20100427 02:41:21< Rigor> gamit ur still here
20100427 02:41:25< Aethaeryn> He merely *does* sprites?
20100427 02:41:28< Zerovirus> No duh >.<
20100427 02:41:38< Hethrir> Which ones?
20100427 02:41:45 * Zerovirus is sad that he is so unrecognized
20100427 02:41:52< Hethrir> Sorry :(
20100427 02:41:58< Aethaeryn> I recognized you when I invited you to games :P
20100427 02:42:03 * Shiya-Shia is even more unrecognized \o/
20100427 02:42:03< Hethrir> I am somewhat new
20100427 02:42:07-!- Shiya-Shia is now known as halifix
20100427 02:42:16< Zerovirus> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=26185
20100427 02:42:20< Zerovirus> read it :P
20100427 02:42:22 * Jarkko_ is relatively unknown - so he wins :P
20100427 02:42:34< Zerovirus> The best sprites are in the last 3 pages or so.
20100427 02:43:12< Hethrir> Ok
20100427 02:43:30< Hethrir> It's some sort of Elven bodybuilder  gangster with blings  dude
20100427 02:43:33< Hethrir> : O
20100427 02:44:22< Zerovirus> >.<
20100427 02:44:28< Zerovirus> THATS ONE OF MY WORST SPRITES
20100427 02:44:28< Hethrir> You should train me :p
20100427 02:44:34< Hethrir> > : )
20100427 02:44:53< Zerovirus> just skip to the last pages >.< Too much embarassing crap in there
20100427 02:45:18< Hethrir> Fine :(
20100427 02:45:27< Zerovirus> :P
20100427 02:46:29< Aethaeryn> Zerovirus: it was a 5% ctk
20100427 02:46:32< Aethaeryn> and I got it on the WM
20100427 02:46:36< Zerovirus> Oh darn
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20100427 02:46:41< Aethaeryn> and thus won since the dwarf can't go on by himself.
20100427 02:46:42< Zerovirus> Give PK my condolences
20100427 02:46:48< Aethaeryn> so tomorrow we can reload from turn 188
20100427 02:46:51< Aethaeryn> the autosave
20100427 02:47:09< Hethrir> Turn 188
20100427 02:47:14< Hethrir> :O
20100427 02:47:22< Aethaeryn> it was already day 2 :P
20100427 02:48:02< Issyl> So does anyone wanna like, play wesnoth or something
20100427 02:48:07< Issyl> or is that game just too lame for us
20100427 02:48:28< Aethaeryn> why would anyone want to play that game?
20100427 02:48:36< Jarkko_> What is Wesnoth?
20100427 02:48:54< Hethrir> Zerosprite: Excellent sprites :D
20100427 02:49:00< halifix> this place is a gathering of enlightened citizens, none of us have the need to actually play the game
20100427 02:49:14< Hethrir> Ok halifax
20100427 02:49:19< Hethrir> :p
20100427 02:49:21< Issyl> I see.
20100427 02:49:24< Issyl> Carry on then.
20100427 02:50:25< Aethaeryn> Zerovirus: we're doing roughly a dungeon a day.
20100427 02:50:26< Gambit> halifix: Well now we've played it onces or twice...
20100427 02:50:32< Jarkko_> And by 'enlightened' we mean those, who have wrapped a lightbulb around their heads with duckt tape?
20100427 02:50:46< Jarkko_> *duct tape
20100427 02:50:54< Zerovirus> I very rarely play the game anyways, it's mostly with the forumites and the chatroom people for fun.
20100427 02:50:56< halifix> have you been spying on me
20100427 02:51:01< Aethaeryn> Yesterday was 1 and a bit of 2... Today was the rest of 2... Tomorrow will be 3 and maybe 4.
20100427 02:51:05< Aethaeryn> 3 will probably be short
20100427 02:51:13< Aethaeryn> and yeah
20100427 02:51:16< Zerovirus> Hethrir: Zerosprite? Wow, I've been called all sort of things. Zerohive, Zerosprite...
20100427 02:51:19< Aethaeryn> I mostly treat Wesnoth like a giant sandbox and chatroom
20100427 02:51:25< Hethrir> Woops
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20100427 02:51:35< Hethrir> hehhee
20100427 02:51:39< Hethrir> Sorry
20100427 02:51:42< Gambit> Hethrir: Also turn 188 is nothing.
20100427 02:51:44< Aethaeryn> I don't play the game so much as test out creations
20100427 02:51:48< Aethaeryn> that's why my new one is my masterpiece
20100427 02:51:50< Gambit> They can call me when they get to 10k.
20100427 02:51:52< Aethaeryn> because I can create and play at the same time
20100427 02:51:59< Hethrir> :O
20100427 02:52:02< Zerovirus> I don't play the game so much as make sprites that will never be used but are designed to be used in Wesnoth all the same :D
20100427 02:52:23< Aethaeryn> if you made ships for Thunderstone they'd be used
20100427 02:52:28< Hethrir> That means you have played to 1k?
20100427 02:52:37< Gambit> Hethrir: 10k.
20100427 02:52:44< Hethrir> :O
20100427 02:52:48< Hethrir> How?
20100427 02:52:50< Aethaeryn> I'd move to another scenario by then :P
20100427 02:52:58< Aethaeryn> I'll have to hav ethe turn count carry over
20100427 02:52:59< Aethaeryn> brb
20100427 02:53:09< mrEPIC> hey, Zerovirus, are you chinese?
20100427 02:53:12< Zerovirus> Yup
20100427 02:53:27< Hethrir> Now figure out if he is lying
20100427 02:53:34< Zerovirus> Chinese people always lie.
20100427 02:53:35< Zerovirus> :D
20100427 02:53:38< Hethrir> :p
20100427 02:53:38< mrEPIC> 你在不在骗人
20100427 02:53:40< Gambit> But...
20100427 02:53:49< Zerovirus> 我当然不是骗您！
20100427 02:54:01< Zerovirus> :D
20100427 02:54:01< Gambit> Zerovirus: You crafted that logic puzzle on purpose didn't you?
20100427 02:54:15< Zerovirus> If you could read chinese you'd know if I spouted gibberish or not
20100427 02:54:21< Zerovirus> now begone I have spriting :P
20100427 02:54:40< Hethrir> Babel fish rules
20100427 02:54:46< Gambit> Cause if chinese people always lie, and you're chinese, and you said you're chinese...
20100427 02:55:00< Hethrir> Enter Paradox
20100427 02:55:18< Zerovirus> yeah, you could just go to a translator and translate what I said :P
20100427 02:55:22< Hethrir> I'm a level 2 CodeMonkey now :D
20100427 02:55:27< Gambit> I did not decieve your.
20100427 02:55:34< Hethrir> Suprisingly it translated well
20100427 02:55:44< halifix> I have in no way positively contributed to wesnoth \o/
20100427 02:55:54< Gambit> halifix: :(
20100427 02:55:56< Hethrir> :p
20100427 02:55:57< halifix> My presence here drains your souls
20100427 02:56:02< Hethrir> : O
20100427 02:56:07 * Hethrir hides
20100427 02:56:07< Gambit> I think that's true of most people.
20100427 02:56:13< Gambit> The not contributing part that is...
20100427 02:56:16< Gambit> not the soul draining :s
20100427 02:56:23< Hethrir> lawl
20100427 02:56:28< Hethrir> > : )
20100427 02:56:55< halifix> you can join the soul draining guild for only 3 installments of $5
20100427 02:57:11< Gambit> Speaking of which... why is there no donate button?
20100427 02:58:03< Hethrir> Only 3 :O
20100427 02:58:42< halifix> I'm one of the ones who gives ideas for a unit/era and then gets the mods annoyed by possessing no coding/artistic skill whatsoever
20100427 02:59:06< Hethrir> I have no idea if you're being sarcastic or not :(
20100427 02:59:14< halifix> neither can I :(
20100427 02:59:42< Hethrir> :(
20100427 03:00:03< halifix> I do remember having ideas for an era tho, and posting on some "ability" thread somewhere
20100427 03:00:09< halifix> ...2 years ago
20100427 03:00:17< Gambit> halifix: You are not alone.
20100427 03:00:30< Gambit> At least you don't make a new forum thread for every one :)
20100427 03:00:37< Gambit> Plenty of people out ther who do that.
20100427 03:00:51< Rigor> ah gambit
20100427 03:01:05< Rigor> im posting the request 
20100427 03:01:09< Rigor> fpi 17
20100427 03:01:21 * Gambit considers adding a "WML for Dummies" guide to his summer todo list.
20100427 03:01:49< halifix> You do that and I'll ask for a guide on how to read it
20100427 03:01:51< Zerovirus> aaagh I suck at spriting feathers hellllp
20100427 03:01:59< Hethrir> :D
20100427 03:01:59< Gambit> halifix: It will be written in Gambit speak.
20100427 03:02:14< Hethrir> What is that like : o
20100427 03:02:22< Gambit> Zerovirus: Try imitating the ghillie suits that one dude drew.
20100427 03:02:35< Zerovirus> No, I'm spriting a feather the length of my mouse
20100427 03:02:39< Zerovirus> not a feather texture
20100427 03:02:42< Zerovirus> and it was Steelish
20100427 03:02:44< Rigor> no hearing me... Gambit :D
20100427 03:02:49< Rigor> t
20100427 03:02:55< Gambit> Rigor: I can't read the forums atm...
20100427 03:03:00< Rigor> np
20100427 03:03:01< Gambit> or the wiki...
20100427 03:03:09< Rigor> just wanted to let you know
20100427 03:03:15< Rigor> since u said i could propose it :d
20100427 03:03:18< Gambit> I could a second ago...
20100427 03:03:23< Rigor> ah
20100427 03:03:38< Gambit> Rigor: Yeah, if the art is aquired I think it can be done entirely from WML.
20100427 03:03:47< Rigor> you give it a good chance ?
20100427 03:03:58< Gambit> I have no control over anything.
20100427 03:04:01< Rigor> mmmh
20100427 03:04:02< Gambit> I just keep the forum clean. :)
20100427 03:04:08< Gambit> *sub sub forum
20100427 03:04:09< Rigor> and what about the graphics
20100427 03:04:20< Rigor> copyrigth etc
20100427 03:04:29< Gambit> still apply in the fork.
20100427 03:04:30< Rigor> on blood ... sime...hair...clothes? lol
20100427 03:04:35< Rigor> slime
20100427 03:04:37< Rigor> :D:D
20100427 03:04:51< Rigor> hey you are not permitted to use this image, thats MY SLIME
20100427 03:05:10< Gambit> I *think* that you can include events in data/core's _main.cfg
20100427 03:05:14< Gambit> but possibly not.
20100427 03:05:43< Zerovirus> holy crap I actually made it look kinda like a feather :O
20100427 03:05:58< Gambit> Zerovirus: This sprite that is larger than your mouse, is it for wesnoth 0_0
20100427 03:06:08< Zerovirus> I was exaggerating
20100427 03:06:17< Zerovirus> but it is like the size of the spearman
20100427 03:06:24< Zerovirus> actually it's way bigger >.>
20100427 03:06:30< Zerovirus> whatever you'll see later
20100427 03:06:44< Gambit> Hethrir: That sucks.
20100427 03:06:48< Gambit> I lost a battle and you got ahead :(
20100427 03:06:54< Hethrir> :D
20100427 03:07:15< Hethrir> CodeMonkeys gain a strength bonus
20100427 03:07:22< Hethrir> Because I said so >: )
20100427 03:07:52< Rigor> n8 guys
20100427 03:07:58< Hethrir> Goodnight
20100427 03:08:02< Gambit> Bye.
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20100427 03:08:25< Aethaeryn> Zerovirus: I'll fork Master of Dungeons and give it its own add-on
20100427 03:08:29< Aethaeryn> IF
20100427 03:08:31< Gambit> Speaking of Nate, does anyone here have/want to play Uncharted 2?
20100427 03:08:35< Zerovirus> If I do sprites/
20100427 03:08:37< Zerovirus> Right?
20100427 03:08:39< Aethaeryn> You do monsters/units/casters/etc. and at least one animation
20100427 03:08:43< Aethaeryn> per attack/defense
20100427 03:08:48< Zerovirus> Oh god the temptation
20100427 03:08:51< Zerovirus> it's an awesome addon
20100427 03:08:56< Zerovirus> but do I have the motivation and time?
20100427 03:09:02 * Zerovirus meditates
20100427 03:09:03< Aethaeryn> time?
20100427 03:09:04< Zerovirus> I
20100427 03:09:08< Aethaeryn> I'm still technically working on Thunderstone :P
20100427 03:09:13< Zerovirus> Yeah, my summer's packed with stuff.
20100427 03:09:17< Aethaeryn> It'll get done in n+1 years
20100427 03:09:20< Zerovirus> I'll get back to you on that :P
20100427 03:09:24< Aethaeryn> where n is the amount of years of college I have left
20100427 03:09:38< Hethrir> 4?
20100427 03:10:20< halifix> 10?
20100427 03:10:51< Gambit> I thought n was the number of carbon atoms.
20100427 03:10:59< Zerovirus> I thought n was a letter.
20100427 03:11:10< Aethaeryn> oh arts people
20100427 03:11:14< Aethaeryn> how you will never understand any logic
20100427 03:12:28< Jarkko_> Left brain vs. Right brain
20100427 03:12:32< Aethaeryn> now time to work on some thunderstone sprites
20100427 03:12:44 * Aethaeryn is ambidextrous
20100427 03:12:49< Gambit> I wish I could do art.
20100427 03:12:50< Zerovirus> Oh lucky you
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20100427 03:12:54< Zerovirus> I wish I were ambidextrous
20100427 03:12:54< Aethaeryn> so screw you "Vs" people
20100427 03:12:58< Aethaeryn> I did too
20100427 03:13:06< Zerovirus> then I could try out my dual mouse dualwielding in FPS games hypothesis
20100427 03:13:07< Aethaeryn> so one day in 11th grade I tought myself to write with my left hand
20100427 03:13:07 * Jarkko_ is ambidextrous too.
20100427 03:13:18< Aethaeryn> And kept on keeping up with it
20100427 03:13:21< Zerovirus> one day?
20100427 03:13:24< Aethaeryn> at first I had to guide my left with my right
20100427 03:13:29< halifix> I want a dual mouse wield for osu!
20100427 03:13:36< Aethaeryn> and then it got more and more autonomous as I built up my pen dexterity
20100427 03:13:44< Aethaeryn> and now I often dual wield pens in notetaking
20100427 03:13:47< Aethaeryn> it makes attending class fun again
20100427 03:13:50< Gambit> I can't write with either hand anymore :s
20100427 03:13:54< Aethaeryn> and yes, literally.
20100427 03:13:59< Gambit> ^joke
20100427 03:14:01< Aethaeryn> one day I spontaneously decided to teach myself.
20100427 03:14:05< halifix> sounds fun
20100427 03:14:11< Aethaeryn> Hard work > innate ability.
20100427 03:14:13< Aethaeryn> In anything.
20100427 03:14:14< Aethaeryn> Anything.
20100427 03:14:14< Gambit> But seriously it gets painful writing more than a paragraph...
20100427 03:14:16< halifix> can you write with both hands at once?
20100427 03:14:17< Aethaeryn> ANYTHING.
20100427 03:14:21< Aethaeryn> Yes.
20100427 03:14:26< Aethaeryn> Only the same word, though. :P
20100427 03:14:27< Gambit> Dude! That's awesome.
20100427 03:14:28< halifix> lol
20100427 03:14:30< Gambit> Awww.
20100427 03:14:34< Aethaeryn> Which makes lists fun.
20100427 03:14:38< Aethaeryn> I suppose I could try different words
20100427 03:14:45< Aethaeryn> but the hand I wasn't looking at would be really messy
20100427 03:15:06< Aethaeryn> I have awful penmanship. Teaching myself how to write leftie actually greatly helped my right hand penmanship too
20100427 03:15:13< Aethaeryn> Maybe that's why I could go ambi so late in life.
20100427 03:15:18< Aethaeryn> Didn't have much dexterity to compete with.
20100427 03:15:25< halifix> speaking of free games I don't contribute to, I wanna see if osu! works again
20100427 03:15:36< Aethaeryn> the thing I do more than anything else is typing
20100427 03:15:39< Aethaeryn> and I type over 100 WPM
20100427 03:15:44< Aethaeryn> maybe ambidexterity helps
20100427 03:16:39< Jarkko_> Drawing with both hands might be fun...
20100427 03:16:48< Aethaeryn> I can't draw with either hand
20100427 03:16:54< Aethaeryn> so if I ever tried to learn, I suppose I could use both :P
20100427 03:17:03< halifix> I don't think 100 wpm is that impressive anymore. Anyways, thinking about what to type is what restricts my typing "speed"
20100427 03:17:14< Aethaeryn> Pixel art is very much unlike drawing.
20100427 03:17:24< Gambit> halifix: The solution? Don't think! Just type.
20100427 03:17:25< Aethaeryn> You don't do anything consistant.
20100427 03:17:32< Aethaeryn> You go over and go over and go over until it looks right.
20100427 03:17:39< Aethaeryn> No need to get it right on the first or 100th try.
20100427 03:18:08< Aethaeryn> There are so many things I want to do but can't because school keeps me so busy.
20100427 03:18:31< Aethaeryn> Music, art, programming, Latin, Wesnoth...
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20100427 03:18:43< Aethaeryn> I wish I was a millionaire so I could retire to a country villa.
20100427 03:19:06< halifix> mm, this glass cup I dropped from about 1 meter bounced on a hardwood floor...
20100427 03:19:15< Zerovirus> sigh I give up
20100427 03:19:17< Zerovirus> I suck at feathers
20100427 03:19:28< Zerovirus> I've learned my lesson. I am not able to sprite anything I want to sprite yet.
20100427 03:19:42< Aethaeryn> ah, the bane of Thunderstone spriting
20100427 03:19:47< Aethaeryn> I'll get 8 sprites done in a month
20100427 03:19:51< Aethaeryn> and then not be in the mood for 3 months
20100427 03:19:57< Aethaeryn> and then do another half of a faction
20100427 03:19:59< Blueblaze> Gambit: you are a bad boy
20100427 03:20:02< Aethaeryn> and then not be in the mood for 8 months
20100427 03:20:10< Gambit> Blueblaze: What did I do now?
20100427 03:20:15< Blueblaze> please do not make Aethaeryn do things you want him to do just because he is a submissive girl :(
20100427 03:20:25< Gambit> wth?
20100427 03:20:35< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Blueblaze likes to live in dead channels
20100427 03:20:42< Aethaeryn> so he notices nick changes that happened long after #Wesnoth forgets :P
20100427 03:21:08< Gambit> I see.
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20100427 03:21:41< Zerovirus> Blueblaze? I haven't seen a post by you in forever.
20100427 03:21:53< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze is going steady
20100427 03:21:57< Blueblaze> I know
20100427 03:21:58< Aethaeryn> with his PS3
20100427 03:22:06< Blueblaze> actually I just got a Macbook Pro exactly last week
20100427 03:22:13< Blueblaze> so I'm starting to slowly crawl back into Wesnoth related stuff
20100427 03:22:21< Aethaeryn> :o
20100427 03:22:26< Aethaeryn> Does Sony know about this?!
20100427 03:22:26< Gambit> Blueblaze: Do you play your ps3 online?
20100427 03:22:35< Blueblaze> Gambit: absolutely
20100427 03:22:44< Blueblaze> you own one and you play it online Gambit?
20100427 03:22:50< Gambit> Yes.
20100427 03:22:51< Blueblaze> ##ps3 for you :>
20100427 03:22:53< Gambit> PSN: Grickit
20100427 03:22:59< Blueblaze> let's talk there
20100427 03:23:11< Aethaeryn> but then I can't be nosy!!!! :(
20100427 03:23:20< Zerovirus> GOD DAMMIT I CANT DO THIS
20100427 03:23:23< Zerovirus> I NEED SOME SPRITE REFS
20100427 03:23:28 * Zerovirus furiously searches pixeljoint
20100427 03:23:36< Aethaeryn> Zerovirus: check Wesnoth
20100427 03:23:37< Aethaeryn> gryphon
20100427 03:23:56< Zerovirus> ;hq;qq;q;qqdrk;rkl
20100427 03:24:01< Zerovirus> msigh.
20100427 03:24:13< Zerovirus> and my mom just dropped tomorrow's lunch.
20100427 03:24:14< Zerovirus> Great.
20100427 03:24:26< Zerovirus> Anyways what I need is bigger than that.
20100427 03:24:33< Zerovirus> I need something like the size of a yeti.
20100427 03:24:36< Aethaeryn> creeping biggerism?
20100427 03:24:43< Zerovirus> No, a big feathersword.
20100427 03:24:45< Aethaeryn> yeti is one of the biggest sprites :P
20100427 03:24:48< Aethaeryn> anyway
20100427 03:24:48 * Zerovirus clasps his mouth
20100427 03:24:55< Aethaeryn> do remember my offer
20100427 03:25:01< Aethaeryn> I'd sprite things myself
20100427 03:25:05< Aethaeryn> but I sprite best at 2am
20100427 03:25:13< Aethaeryn> that's when I did my mages, which are still my thunderstone favorites
20100427 03:25:29< Aethaeryn> and I can't stay up to 2 am when I get up at 8 am 5x a week
20100427 03:28:06< Zerovirus> I give up, I'll just make do with what I have
20100427 03:28:39< Aethaeryn> nooooooooooooooooooooo
20100427 03:30:21< King_Elendil> You are Zerovirus, you cannot give up!
20100427 03:30:42< Gambit> Artists never give up.
20100427 03:30:45< Zerovirus> RAW RAW FIGHT THA POWAH
20100427 03:30:46< Gambit> They just find more interesting projects.
20100427 03:30:47< Zerovirus> :D
20100427 03:30:58< Zerovirus> Actually with a bit of recoloring it's not that bad
20100427 03:30:59< Zerovirus> I'll life
20100427 03:31:01< Zerovirus> *live
20100427 03:31:03< Gambit> Artists of any medium... like say... WML
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20100427 03:31:46< Aethaeryn> Again, I wish I was a millionaire so I could retire.
20100427 03:31:57< Gambit> Then you wouldn't have to choose :)
20100427 03:32:00< Gambit> Yeah.
20100427 03:32:44< Gambit> I wouldn't even need multiple millions. Just enough for a small farm full of chickens and T1 :)
20100427 03:32:50< Zerovirus> finished that goddamn feathersword >.<
20100427 03:32:56< mrEPIC> ah I just got kicked out of another game
20100427 03:32:57< Aethaeryn> Gambit: No, I've figured it out.
20100427 03:33:00< mrEPIC> 'missing wml child'
20100427 03:33:04< Aethaeryn> I'll get an ultrapowerful computer.
20100427 03:33:21< Gambit> How big we talking?
20100427 03:33:24< Zerovirus> Yeah, we keep getting that bug
20100427 03:33:24< Aethaeryn> And I'll have Wesnoth pay my Internet bill in exchange for otherwise-free hosting.
20100427 03:33:33< Zerovirus> something needs to be done about that
20100427 03:33:35< Gambit> Haha.
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20100427 03:34:13< Aethaeryn> So yeah
20100427 03:34:15< mrEPIC> does anyone here have interest in a 1vs1 'campaign'?
20100427 03:34:16< Aethaeryn> I'll be set for life.
20100427 03:34:21< mrEPIC> with an execution scenario?
20100427 03:35:01< Aethaeryn> And yeah...
20100427 03:35:11< Aethaeryn> Finally I would get some peace and quiet to do what I want.
20100427 03:35:22< Aethaeryn> In a house built along the Internet line.
20100427 03:35:37< Aethaeryn> Middle of nowhere, but strategically located so that there's already a major Internet artery that passes through :P
20100427 03:38:12< King_Elendil> sounds good Aethaeryn :)
20100427 03:38:20< Zerovirus> What about internet embolisms?
20100427 03:41:18< Aethaeryn> "There be Internets in these hills"
20100427 03:41:24< Aethaeryn> "Let's start a village!"
20100427 03:41:33< King_Elendil> lol
20100427 03:41:57< Aethaeryn> Maybe if we pool together we can build something.
20100427 03:42:00< Aethaeryn> We just need a carpenter.
20100427 03:42:15< King_Elendil> that would be me :)
20100427 03:42:18< Aethaeryn> We can call it New Elensefar
20100427 03:42:24< King_Elendil> lol
20100427 03:42:26< Aethaeryn> We need the necessities any town needs
20100427 03:42:42< Aethaeryn> A carpenter, an electrician, a hardware hobbiest...
20100427 03:43:07< Aethaeryn> And we can put the computers in wooden frames if we have to :P
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20100427 03:43:59< King_Elendil> done stinkin' electrical work to, but not my first choice as a career
20100427 03:44:31< Aethaeryn> Nah, it'd be a commune.
20100427 03:44:51< Aethaeryn> From each according to their abilities to make computers/servers/ISPs/shelter
20100427 03:44:54-!- fendrin [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
20100427 03:45:06< Aethaeryn> To each according to their bare necessities to get from a computer to Wesnoth servers
20100427 03:45:09< Aethaeryn> :P
20100427 03:45:25< Aethaeryn> Oh, we might need food too
20100427 03:45:34< Aethaeryn> So someone should bring a microwave and lots of hot pockets
20100427 03:45:42< Hethrir> And pizza
20100427 03:45:49< Hethrir> Frozem pizza ;)
20100427 03:46:04 * King_Elendil slaps myself and Aethaeryn, and yells "We need to get back to reality!"
20100427 03:46:15< Aethaeryn> Who says this can't be a reality?!
20100427 03:46:25< Hethrir> Yah, 
20100427 03:46:29< Aethaeryn> I'm young still! I haven't had my life sapped by anything except school/college!
20100427 03:46:32< Aethaeryn> I still have a soul!
20100427 03:46:42< VurtualRuler98> You're in #wesnoth
20100427 03:46:48< Aethaeryn> We don't need to work for money...
20100427 03:46:51< Aethaeryn> When Wesnoth is free!
20100427 03:46:52< VurtualRuler98> Any soul you have has been twisted into a horrifying... nerd.
20100427 03:46:54< Hethrir> :D
20100427 03:46:59< Aethaeryn> And other software is free!
20100427 03:47:02< Zerovirus> Uh, what would I do?
20100427 03:47:02< VurtualRuler98> *dun dun dun*
20100427 03:48:23< Aethaeryn> Zerovirus: I'm glad the missing child thing wasn't just us though
20100427 03:48:35< Aethaeryn> so the era will work when the server's in a better state tomororw
20100427 03:48:54< Zerovirus> Hopefully. The server lost its child and it's taking it out on us. Poor dear
20100427 03:49:07< Aethaeryn> :'(
20100427 03:49:21< Aethaeryn> But I thought PK kept finding it?
20100427 03:49:25< Hethrir> There's a crying emote :O?
20100427 03:49:34< Aethaeryn> Hethrir: did I just shatter your world?
20100427 03:49:44< Hethrir> Yes, yes you did
20100427 03:49:46< Aethaeryn> On things that can be done in one line?
20100427 03:49:50< Aethaeryn> penguin :>
20100427 03:50:04< Aethaeryn> sad vampire :{
20100427 03:50:42< Aethaeryn> a greedy capitalist businessman $.$
20100427 03:50:52< Aethaeryn> a greedy socialist $.$
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20100427 03:51:21< Blarumyrran> Aethaeryn, sorry for yesterday, I fell asleep
20100427 03:51:21-!- Necrosporus [~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
20100427 03:51:30< Aethaeryn> it's okay
20100427 03:51:33< Aethaeryn> your guy died though
20100427 03:51:40< Blarumyrran> :(
20100427 03:51:45< Aethaeryn> because of his psycho trait, it was an 80% ctk, 20% ctd
20100427 03:51:47< Aethaeryn> and he died
20100427 03:52:03< Zerovirus> Huh. We thought you might have had a heart attack or something.
20100427 03:52:07< Aethaeryn> it's okay, PK died today on a 5% ctk by a near-dead yeti
20100427 03:52:31< Aethaeryn> after taunting it and saying that one yeti wasn't enough for his mage/dwarf combo
20100427 03:52:37< Aethaeryn> In fact, that's why I went for it.
20100427 03:52:41< Aethaeryn> Pride cometh before a fall.
20100427 03:53:08< Blarumyrran> Actually, I think the scenario was very silly
20100427 03:53:20< Blarumyrran> units shouldn't be controlled by you
20100427 03:53:31< Aethaeryn> but then it would've been over in half the time
20100427 03:53:43< Blarumyrran> it doesn't feel right if you know the enemies probably don't want to kill you to death
20100427 03:53:49< Blarumyrran> Aethaeryn, how
20100427 03:54:09< Aethaeryn> but I do go for it
20100427 03:54:12< Aethaeryn> I go for the kills
20100427 03:54:17< Blarumyrran> You don't
20100427 03:54:20< Aethaeryn> And I say "this is a 5% ctk"
20100427 03:54:24< Aethaeryn> "this is a 3% ctk"
20100427 03:54:31< Aethaeryn> 'this is a 10% ctk"
20100427 03:54:37< ancestral> Or a 0.1% ctk?
20100427 03:54:38< Aethaeryn> ask Zerovirus... it was probably getting annoying :P
20100427 03:54:42< Blarumyrran> Yes, while AI would go for 90% ctk which would be legit
20100427 03:54:54< Aethaeryn> oh, they were too strong for it.
20100427 03:54:58< Zerovirus> Not really
20100427 03:55:00< Zerovirus> it was fascinating
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20100427 03:55:12< ancestral> It's a good thing Wesnoth units don't also do critical damage
20100427 03:55:17< Aethaeryn> but anyway, I'll fix it.
20100427 03:55:28< ancestral> Though one could argue hitting every time nearly is like doing critical damage
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20100427 03:55:33< Aethaeryn> by adding a p6 NPC who has all the powers of p1 but is on the player's team
20100427 03:55:53< Aethaeryn> so the difficulty can be upped while not having an adverse effect on the players.
20100427 03:56:33< Aethaeryn> that way the beginning can be a bit more like FoT than a boring RPG
20100427 03:58:17< Aethaeryn> I'll also allow p6 to give his units to p2-5
20100427 03:58:26< Aethaeryn> so there'll be expendibles
20100427 03:58:32< Aethaeryn> so I can always go for a kill without cutting the journey short
20100427 03:59:03< Aethaeryn> or if a player does something stupid and gets killed, I can give the others a wose or something so they don't have to have an easier game
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20100427 03:59:19< Aethaeryn> in other words, I will never have to go easy in the future games.
20100427 03:59:25< Aethaeryn> If there's a ctk, I"ll go for it. Like a bastard.
20100427 03:59:43< Zerovirus> We always knew you were a bastard Aeth :3
20100427 03:59:44< Aethaeryn> Also, when I start a rock band, I need a violin in it.
20100427 03:59:59< Aethaeryn> Not enough bands have violins, but they sound awesome in rock.
20100427 04:00:05< Zerovirus> Do you already have a keyboard slot filled?
20100427 04:00:06< ancestral> Yellowcard
20100427 04:00:12< Aethaeryn> Zerovirus: you can do synth
20100427 04:00:29< Aethaeryn> Actually, a true band has two synthasizers
20100427 04:00:38< Aethaeryn> a violin, two guitars, a bass, drums
20100427 04:00:50< Aethaeryn> screw this four-man band of drums, guitar, bass, singer/guitar
20100427 04:01:04< Aethaeryn> you miss out on so much potential music
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20100427 04:01:18< ancestral> Dude, you're missing out without some pennywhistle
20100427 04:01:28< Zerovirus> YOU NEED MORE COWBELL :D
20100427 04:01:31< Aethaeryn> drummer does secondary instrumentation like cowbell
20100427 04:01:35< Aethaeryn> two cowbells on his drumset :P
20100427 04:01:35< ancestral> YEAH, cowbell
20100427 04:01:43< Aethaeryn> was about to say cowbell when Zerovirus cut me off
20100427 04:01:44< ancestral> Also
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20100427 04:01:48< Zerovirus> lol
20100427 04:01:50< Aethaeryn> but I'm serious... bands need violins.
20100427 04:01:54< Aethaeryn> I'm gonna pass a law or something
20100427 04:01:55< Zerovirus> I agree.
20100427 04:02:12< Issyl> Depends on the band :P
20100427 04:02:12< Zerovirus> Though coldplay doesn't do so much rock I like the violins and classical string instruments they use.
20100427 04:02:16< ancestral> I don't know… I want to see more guitar-less approaches
20100427 04:02:19< ancestral> Like Keane
20100427 04:02:21< Blarumyrran> a TRUE band has a harp
20100427 04:02:37< ancestral> Piano, synth, and drums
20100427 04:02:39< Blarumyrran> Also, 16 first violins and 14 second violins
20100427 04:02:45< Aethaeryn> "Mr. Obama. I have libertarian leanings mixed in with lots of apoliticalness and anti-governmentness. I will vote for you if you give bands tax breaks and other incentives to include violins."
20100427 04:02:51< Zerovirus> What about clarinets? I can do that too
20100427 04:03:02< ancestral> Xylophones, bitches.
20100427 04:03:07< Aethaeryn> And if he loses in '12 by one vote... He'll regret saying no.
20100427 04:03:09< Zerovirus> I think I can learn Xylophones
20100427 04:03:17< ancestral> I rock the xylophone
20100427 04:03:18< Zerovirus> It's not much harder than piano is it?
20100427 04:03:24< Gambit> Let's hear it for the harmonica!
20100427 04:03:24< ancestral> Nah, not much harder
20100427 04:03:32< Gambit> Nothing makes a rock n roll song complete like a harmonica.
20100427 04:03:37< Aethaeryn> ancestral: you can do the band's music stuff
20100427 04:03:42< Aethaeryn> since you're a Machead
20100427 04:03:46< Aethaeryn> and all the promotional posters.
20100427 04:03:50< ancestral> There we go
20100427 04:03:51< Aethaeryn> Mac people are all music/art people, right?
20100427 04:03:57 * Zerovirus is going to sleep naow
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20100427 04:04:03< Aethaeryn> I'll do snyth/vocals.
20100427 04:04:06< Aethaeryn> *synth
20100427 04:04:08< ancestral> I do enjoy me some graphic arts and postproduction
20100427 04:04:09< Blarumyrran> Mac people make other think they're music/art people
20100427 04:04:10< Aethaeryn> I'm sure we can find some violin guy
20100427 04:04:18< Gambit> I'll come up with the name!
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20100427 04:04:23< Gambit> "Our Label Is Run By Homos"
20100427 04:04:25< Aethaeryn> Gambit: can you do an instrument?
20100427 04:04:35< ancestral> Gambit: There was a sketch on that
20100427 04:04:35< Gambit> Aethaeryn: The uh... keyboard!
20100427 04:04:40< Gambit> lame pun :)
20100427 04:04:44< ancestral> Kids in the Hall maybe?
20100427 04:04:51< Gambit> ancestral: Whitest Kids You Know
20100427 04:04:55< Aethaeryn> Gambit: you can do the synth that someone made out of an Apple ][
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20100427 04:05:04< Aethaeryn> Google it, I think it was an Apple ][
20100427 04:05:11< ancestral> Gambit: That sounds right
20100427 04:05:20< Aethaeryn> uh...
20100427 04:05:24< Aethaeryn> ancestral: do you still sell them? :P
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20100427 04:05:35< Aethaeryn> oh, you don't even need a monitor for that synth
20100427 04:05:43< Gambit> A funny band name would be "A Couple of [insert mild racial slur".
20100427 04:05:45< ancestral> Aethaeryn: What do you think?
20100427 04:05:48< Gambit> It'll be like who wrote that song?
20100427 04:05:54< Gambit> "A couple of ..."
20100427 04:06:02< ancestral> The Apple II's were all discontinued like 20 years ago
20100427 04:06:04< Gambit> porchmonkeys?
20100427 04:06:11< ancestral> But
20100427 04:06:13< Aethaeryn> really? 20 years?
20100427 04:06:14< Gambit> ^^ not a racial slur
20100427 04:06:15< Aethaeryn> that'd be 1990
20100427 04:06:16< Aethaeryn> rather late
20100427 04:06:23< ancestral> Aethaeryn: http://www.virtualapple.org/
20100427 04:06:31< Aethaeryn> considering Macintosh was 1984
20100427 04:06:32< ancestral> Aethaeryn: Yeah it sold well in education for a long time
20100427 04:06:44< Aethaeryn> damn
20100427 04:06:48< Aethaeryn> ancestral: who's the guy who does these?
20100427 04:06:55< Aethaeryn> there's a virtual iPad and iPhone too :P
20100427 04:07:08< Aethaeryn> but I've never seen one for a non-Apple product
20100427 04:07:11< ancestral> Dunno, don't know
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20100427 04:07:18< Aethaeryn> Anyway...
20100427 04:07:23< ancestral> Aethaeryn: The "virtual" ones are part of the dev tools
20100427 04:07:37< Aethaeryn> oh
20100427 04:07:40< Aethaeryn> well, I saw them online
20100427 04:07:41< Aethaeryn> :P
20100427 04:07:45< ancestral> Huh
20100427 04:07:48< Aethaeryn> might report them or something? :P
20100427 04:07:52< Aethaeryn> oh, they were limited
20100427 04:07:55 * ancestral doesn't care
20100427 04:07:56< Aethaeryn> gimmicky
20100427 04:08:00< Aethaeryn> anyway
20100427 04:08:10< ancestral> You're pretty talkative today
20100427 04:08:15< ancestral> You must be excited
20100427 04:08:20< ancestral> About… life?
20100427 04:08:24< Aethaeryn> I got 100 on my logic exam
20100427 04:08:26< Aethaeryn> It was a hard exam
20100427 04:08:32< Aethaeryn> so yeah, maybe 8 other people got 100s...
20100427 04:08:35< ancestral> Cool beans
20100427 04:08:38< Aethaeryn> But he marked down easily
20100427 04:08:38< Gambit> ancestral (and any other interested parties): The sketch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hJoUHaoSwI
20100427 04:08:40< Aethaeryn> so if you didn't get 100
20100427 04:08:43< Aethaeryn> you pretty much did terrible.
20100427 04:08:56< Aethaeryn> And I"ve been talkative since I got the news midday
20100427 04:09:19< Aethaeryn> about as many people who got 100s got under 40
20100427 04:09:25< Aethaeryn> so it was a true bell curve :P
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20100427 04:16:21< Aethaeryn> Anyway, I don't get why people don't like (philosophy) logic.
20100427 04:16:54< Aethaeryn> I would've liked math 100x better if it was introduced *without* numbers like this logic and then added numbers later. Numbers basically increase your chance of a careless mistake by 1000x
20100427 04:17:27< Aethaeryn> I suppose most people go into philosophy because they're not good at math and then get screwed over when they find out that a required course is very math-like just without numbers. :P
20100427 04:18:24< Jarkko_> Or then they just don't get it.
20100427 04:18:39< Aethaeryn> It's sad how many people start in the (deductive) logic class...
20100427 04:18:44< Aethaeryn> And don't finish.
20100427 04:18:46< Aethaeryn> Or don't try.
20100427 04:19:02< Aethaeryn> If you took a picture of everyone who was there at the first day, and then another at the people who passed the class after the final... Damn.
20100427 04:19:10< Aethaeryn> And my school is more engineering than anything else.
20100427 04:19:20< Aethaeryn> Jarkko_: That's a lie, btw.
20100427 04:19:32< Aethaeryn> There is no such thing as smarts when it comes to grades. It's all work.
20100427 04:19:51< Aethaeryn> Saying someone is smart, like people did to me early in grade school, encourages severe laziness that takes years to work out.
20100427 04:19:58< noy> Because "logic" basically trades in artificial statistics. You're forced to assign arbitrary values to non numeral concepts 
20100427 04:20:09< Aethaeryn> You only learn material by working hard at it.
20100427 04:20:18< ancestral> noy: And letters ;-)
20100427 04:20:19< Aethaeryn> Well, kinda.
20100427 04:20:28< Aethaeryn> We treat translations and proofs totally separately in this 300-level course.
20100427 04:20:47< noy> Maybe, but at least its often more accurate than arbitrarily defining a term
20100427 04:20:49< Aethaeryn> So it's not like they give you some Kant (my prof is in love with Kant or something) and then tell you to turn it into logic and then check for validity
20100427 04:21:13< Aethaeryn> It's more like they give you "A -> B" "~B"
20100427 04:21:37< Aethaeryn> Except instead of a -> it's a backwards C since apparently there's a war between philosophy and comp sci departments over which if/then symbol to use
20100427 04:21:52< noy> Derrida gives a very good deconstruction if the problem with logic
20100427 04:22:10< Aethaeryn> as in, CMSC 203, a similar logic course for comp sci that math majors are encouraged to take before MATH 301, uses some different symbols :P
20100427 04:22:18< noy> Thats computer language, I'm talking about using logic to define complex social phenomenon 
20100427 04:22:51< Aethaeryn> Oh, it's surprisingly similar because we're just working with symbolic logic.
20100427 04:22:59< Aethaeryn> Because unless we learn this, in theory, we won't get the higher stuff.
20100427 04:23:18< Aethaeryn> So yeah, we learned about things like modus ponens and reductio ad absurdum, but more secondary backround material to proofs.
20100427 04:23:45< Aethaeryn> The professor teaches the required ethics course to comp sci majors and the required logic course to the philosophy majors :P
20100427 04:24:09< Aethaeryn> Maybe people with less departmental biases focus more on other realms of logic
20100427 04:24:17< noy> Honestly? I've had real difficulty with philosophy
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20100427 04:24:27< noy> reconciling it with other modes of inquiry
20100427 04:24:35< Aethaeryn> My main difficulty with philosophy is that there is no right answer, only good and bad arguments.
20100427 04:24:39< Aethaeryn> Perhaps it's cultural.
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20100427 04:25:35< noy> When advances in group psychology and neuropsychology give very good and accurate answers for major social issues, which Philosophy has attempted to deal with, but given unfulfilling answer
20100427 04:25:36< noy> answes
20100427 04:25:39< noy> answers
20100427 04:26:09< Aethaeryn> The problem with deductive logic is that you can only get internally consistant systems.
20100427 04:26:26< Aethaeryn> You don't necessarily get the most effective. You don't necessarily get true arguments.
20100427 04:26:33< Aethaeryn> You just get ones that logically work out.
20100427 04:26:49< Aethaeryn> And all arguments that are nice when combined contradict on points. So they can't all be right. But you can't really say who's wrong.
20100427 04:26:58< noy> ...
20100427 04:27:03< Aethaeryn> Or something like that.
20100427 04:27:06< Aethaeryn> I think I sounded smart.
20100427 04:27:24< Aethaeryn> My brain ran out about 30 min ago. Too little sleep.
20100427 04:28:01< noy> Or you can get testable assumptions from neuropsych and frameworks for analysis from group psych that give very good answers for complex sociological phenomenon. 
20100427 04:28:27< Aethaeryn> That's inductive. Because it's about tests and probabilities of being right.
20100427 04:28:45< Aethaeryn> You don't actually know that when you drop a ball that it will fall to the ground, but you know with great probability based on past observations that it will fall.
20100427 04:29:01< noy> ... and what does this solve?
20100427 04:29:02< Aethaeryn> I was critiquing deductive and a priori arguments.
20100427 04:29:29< Aethaeryn> Well, do note that philosophy isn't really a field in issolation.
20100427 04:29:40< Hethrir> What did I miss while I was gone :o
20100427 04:29:47< Aethaeryn> The most interesting arguments are "philosophy of _______"
20100427 04:30:00< noy> Actually It was both, because notice the second part of my statement which you ignored
20100427 04:30:02< Aethaeryn> In fact, if I have any motivation to take some physics classes is so I can understand some philosophical arguments.
20100427 04:30:11< Aethaeryn> ah
20100427 04:30:16< noy> approaches into group psychology give a framework for making inductive statements
20100427 04:30:28< noy> however philosophy has difficulty with this field
20100427 04:30:45< noy> I actually think that its one of the more closed off fields in Sociological study
20100427 04:30:50< Aethaeryn> School has actually made me stupider by depriving me of free time for independent learning outside of what it wants me to know... as well as depriving me of sleep. It basically has the same methods of keeping me ignorant of the outside world that cults use.
20100427 04:31:20< Aethaeryn> Anyway, I think the two areas that philosophy is most useful is in logic and ethics.
20100427 04:31:36< Aethaeryn> And neither of which exclusively belong in philosophy.
20100427 04:31:40< noy> ITs resisted the encroachment of neuropsychology more effectively than other fields, like Political Philosophy 
20100427 04:31:50< noy> Actually I think its terrible at ethnics
20100427 04:31:52< noy> ethics
20100427 04:32:04< Jarkko_> Ethics is good - but in broader aspect it can create havoc.
20100427 04:32:06< Aethaeryn> Idk, it's given me a better understanding of the field.
20100427 04:32:16< Aethaeryn> At least for personal ethics it's okay.
20100427 04:32:39< Aethaeryn> Note that most great philosophers often go into other fields, such as mathematics or science.
20100427 04:32:43< noy> Maybe you, but its efficacy in this field is lagging
20100427 04:32:58< Aethaeryn> You'd be surprised how many philosophical names I've heard before from high school math classes.
20100427 04:33:27< Aethaeryn> So really, philosophy is not just a field of its own, it's more a methodology of inquiry that can be combined with other areas.
20100427 04:34:24< Aethaeryn> If anything, philosophy has created an interest in math that I didn't have before college.
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20100427 04:34:45< Aethaeryn> I'm going to take math classes I never intended on taking now.
20100427 04:34:47< Jarkko_> Well - philosophy has been regarded as the "Father of other sciences".
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20100427 04:34:49< noy> here's an excellent introductory example of inquiry into social phenomenon using quantiative methods that has major importance in the study of ethics
20100427 04:34:50< noy> http://www.amazon.com/Wisdom-Crowds-James-Surowiecki/dp/0385721706
20100427 04:35:01< Aethaeryn> Idk, I really don't like sociology.
20100427 04:35:15< Aethaeryn> I'm taking intro to psychology and intro to sociology. Psychology is more interesting by far.
20100427 04:35:32< Aethaeryn> Though honestly, I don't believe we can really truly understand social phenomenon.
20100427 04:35:40< Aethaeryn> Too many variables. Too chaotic.
20100427 04:35:48< Aethaeryn> What economic model predicted '08?
20100427 04:35:54< noy> This one
20100427 04:35:59< noy> http://www.amazon.com/Wisdom-Crowds-James-Surowiecki/dp/0385721706
20100427 04:36:00< Jarkko_> Well - we should fully understand a human being first.
20100427 04:36:01< noy> err
20100427 04:36:06< noy> http://www.amazon.com/Misbehavior-Markets-Fractal-Financial-Turbulence/dp/0465043577/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272335731&sr=1-1
20100427 04:36:19< Aethaeryn> Was that before the crisis?
20100427 04:36:23< Aethaeryn> 20/20 hindsight, remember.
20100427 04:36:24< noy> 2006
20100427 04:36:26< Aethaeryn> oh
20100427 04:36:27< Aethaeryn> damn
20100427 04:36:27< Aethaeryn> you win
20100427 04:36:32< Aethaeryn> You know public policy.
20100427 04:36:43< noy> He took a stake to the efficient market thesis ages ago
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20100427 04:37:23< noy> which blew a hole in the core mechanism that predicted future growth
20100427 04:37:27< Aethaeryn> Anyway, I'm not a big fan of macro level academia.
20100427 04:37:38< Aethaeryn> studying lots of people...
20100427 04:37:44< Aethaeryn> politics, sociology, macroecon...
20100427 04:37:45< noy> Well this is what I see
20100427 04:37:55< Aethaeryn> no problem with history, though.
20100427 04:38:08< noy> Neuropsych offers better understanding of individuals perspectives than philosophy can
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20100427 04:38:17< noy> or individual behavior
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20100427 04:38:44< Aethaeryn> Tbh, almost half the people I've met in philosophy upper-levles
20100427 04:38:53< Aethaeryn> are minoring in it, usually from psychology.
20100427 04:39:04< Aethaeryn> Sometimes from other social sciences like econ or even a social work.
20100427 04:39:21< noy> then social psych (informed by advances in neuropsych and other social disciplines) are better predictors of mass behavior
20100427 04:39:22< Aethaeryn> It's not like it's either/or
20100427 04:39:35< noy> Well, are they in neuropsych?
20100427 04:39:40< noy> or just general psychology?
20100427 04:39:49< Aethaeryn> I don't think my school is *that* big.
20100427 04:39:57< Aethaeryn> maybe University of Maryland
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20100427 04:40:10< noy> Neuro is a new field generally
20100427 04:40:12 * Aethaeryn is in UMBC
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20100427 04:40:15< noy> I don't think its the be all and end all
20100427 04:40:20< Aethaeryn> There are a few noticeable missing majors
20100427 04:40:22< Aethaeryn> like criminology
20100427 04:40:36< Aethaeryn> UMBC is mostly a STEM school.
20100427 04:40:42< Aethaeryn> Sci/Tech/Engineering/Math
20100427 04:40:53< noy> Neuro is also very expensive because you need expensive pieces of equipment like FMRI
20100427 04:41:11< noy> which means you need a good medical/anatomy section
20100427 04:43:51< Aethaeryn> yeah, if it's some kind of crossdiscipline thing
20100427 04:43:57< Aethaeryn> it's probably going to be in the bigger university
20100427 04:44:07< Aethaeryn> but idk, UMBC is apparently really big in biology.
20100427 04:44:09< Aethaeryn> So it could have it.
20100427 04:44:26< Aethaeryn> let me check
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20100427 04:45:53< Aethaeryn> noy: keywords?
20100427 04:46:04< noy> neuropsychology?
20100427 04:46:16< Aethaeryn> some classes maybe.
20100427 04:46:24< Aethaeryn> not a distinct major
20100427 04:46:56< noy> its often put into anatomy or psychology
20100427 04:47:12< Aethaeryn> there are a few classes that might fit in this field under psychology.
20100427 04:47:19< Aethaeryn> but they're 300/400 level
20100427 04:47:27< Aethaeryn> I wouldn't be able to take it with just Psych 100
20100427 04:47:33< noy> it might have a strong wing
20100427 04:47:36< Aethaeryn> And I want to be able to graduate eventually.
20100427 04:47:39< noy> err small wing
20100427 04:48:34< King_Elendil> should have sent...
20100427 04:48:39< Aethaeryn> ooooh
20100427 04:48:43< King_Elendil> wrong room sorry
20100427 04:48:44< Aethaeryn> noy: OR it is graduate level
20100427 04:49:07< Aethaeryn> I just checked the grad catalog
20100427 04:49:15< Aethaeryn> "Neurosciences and Cognitive Sciences"
20100427 04:49:27< Aethaeryn> The cognitive part makes me think it's a cross between bio and psych
20100427 04:49:41< Aethaeryn> and it is.
20100427 04:50:36< Aethaeryn> Which puts your field from "possibly some upper level classes I don't have enough requirements for" to "a really difficult cross-discipline doctorate program I definitely don't have enough requirements for"
20100427 04:51:03< Aethaeryn> But looks like my college offers it :P
20100427 04:52:44< Aethaeryn> And yeah, the grad catalog is heavily weighted with bio/biochem offering at least part of the basis of 8 of the grad school programs.
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20100427 04:52:54< Aethaeryn> I never knew how biology-heavy my campus was.
20100427 04:52:56< Aethaeryn> :S
20100427 04:53:17< Aethaeryn> Before today if I had to guess a focus it would be math/tech
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20100427 04:55:34< Aethaeryn> noy: so in absence of being able to take a class in it, I'll inquire directly... what does neuropsych cover exactly?
20100427 04:57:36< Aethaeryn> And yes, biology and psychology seem to be the basis of quite a few higher-level fields. And they seem to be linked quite closely. It makes sense that someone would combine them. :P
20100427 04:57:39< noy> It offers a new path of inquiry into human behavior, based on new tools that examine brain functions independent of traditional tools that are based on observation of individuals
20100427 04:58:02< noy> Outward observation, like what they say act and do...
20100427 04:58:07< Aethaeryn> And can it prove that I am just a deterministic machine by predicting what I will do?
20100427 04:58:22< noy> Thats not the case
20100427 04:58:48< Aethaeryn> If you try to predict my behavior, I might do something completely random to prove that I can.
20100427 04:58:51< Aethaeryn> :P
20100427 04:58:59< noy> What it does is narrow the understanding of maybe some aspects of human nature
20100427 04:59:08< Aethaeryn> How so?
20100427 04:59:28< noy> How your brain reacts to a certain stimulus are often very similar
20100427 04:59:54< noy> research into addiction is a great example of this
20100427 05:00:17< Aethaeryn> Ah, I think my psych class actually touched a bit into this in the biology chapter.
20100427 05:00:26< noy> That people who constantly gorge on fast food show similar physiological responses to people on heroin
20100427 05:01:44< Aethaeryn> Ah, right, I think there's something about how people who are addicts have a duller positive reward mechanism in their brain or something. Endorphins?
20100427 05:02:04< noy> Thats one branch, yes
20100427 05:02:06< Aethaeryn> And so one theory is that they go to the addiction to feel normal.
20100427 05:02:16< Aethaeryn> In other words, on the addiction, their endorphins behave similarly to what normal would.
20100427 05:02:25< Aethaeryn> But without it, their reward system in their brain is so dull...
20100427 05:02:30< noy> But we're realising now that how individuals socialize into groups are remarkably similar
20100427 05:03:13< Aethaeryn> See? I'm not just an ignorant philosopher. I've taken an intro class to just about every social science so I can kinda understand what you're talking about if you guide me enough. :P
20100427 05:03:26< noy> yeah well
20100427 05:03:29< noy> anyway class is over
20100427 05:03:33< noy> I need to read a book
20100427 05:03:35< Aethaeryn> Aw...
20100427 05:03:43< Aethaeryn> I wanted to know about how this relates to social groups.
20100427 05:03:51< Aethaeryn> Oh well, maybe next time you randomly appear out of nowhere.
20100427 05:04:16< Aethaeryn> And insert academic intelligence into the conversation like no one under 22 can.
20100427 05:04:24< Aethaeryn> (Aka. most of the regulars here.)
20100427 05:05:34< noy> As I said, we're finding that individuals socialize into groups in specific fashions
20100427 05:05:49< Aethaeryn> (Do you have a grad degree?)
20100427 05:07:56< noy> I have two
20100427 05:08:27< Aethaeryn> Masters and doctorate?
20100427 05:08:30< Aethaeryn> Or two masters?
20100427 05:08:35< Aethaeryn> Or JD and masters?
20100427 05:08:41< noy> two masters
20100427 05:08:46< Aethaeryn> ah
20100427 05:09:03< Aethaeryn> You don't write like an ordinary person.
20100427 05:09:09< Aethaeryn> You write like a professor.
20100427 05:09:17< Aethaeryn> I could tell you had something more than a bachelor's degree.
20100427 05:09:26< noy> Well, I wrote a book too
20100427 05:09:31< noy> though I don't have a PhD
20100427 05:09:39< Aethaeryn> ah, cool.
20100427 05:09:39< Hethrir> Back
20100427 05:09:47< Hethrir> Gone
20100427 05:09:52< Aethaeryn> I probably totally disagree with the premise of the book but would definitely not be equipped to refute it.
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20100427 05:10:03< Aethaeryn> You have mastered areas that I will never go into. :P
20100427 05:10:28< noy> Its a history
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20100427 05:10:35< Aethaeryn> I don't like to lose but you wouldn't just cut me up, you'd massacre me.
20100427 05:11:00< noy> I doubt that you'd refute the recorded views of about a hundred people
20100427 05:11:07< Aethaeryn> Idk.
20100427 05:11:14< Aethaeryn> Skepticism is part of philosophy. ;)
20100427 05:12:08< noy> I've seen the philosophical literature dealing with humanitarian interventions
20100427 05:12:16< noy> its not really accurate or effective
20100427 05:12:38< Aethaeryn> I just went to a lecture the philosophy department sponsored on ethics last Wednesday.
20100427 05:12:51< Aethaeryn> It was related to global poverty.
20100427 05:12:57< Aethaeryn> I understand your point of view on effectiveness.
20100427 05:12:58< Aethaeryn> I do.
20100427 05:16:09< Aethaeryn> I find philosophy in issolation to be unsatisfying.
20100427 05:16:15< Aethaeryn> I'm probably going to add comp sci as another major.
20100427 05:16:20< Aethaeryn> And just go an extra year.
20100427 05:16:57< Aethaeryn> I mean, I enjoy philosophy classes a lot. I find more value than you find. But even the great philosophers of history didn't just do philosophy.
20100427 05:17:28< Aethaeryn> Some of the most dominant philosophers were of at least two fields, most early modern ones often did foundational things in math and/or science.
20100427 05:17:59< Aethaeryn> The best philosophy is probably "philosophy of" stuff. The other field is the "how" and the philosophy is the "why"
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20100427 05:22:24< Aethaeryn> zomg
20100427 05:22:32< Aethaeryn> which one is the real Blueblaze?
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20100427 05:23:04< ancestral> Hehe
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20100427 05:24:16< Aethaeryn> damn it
20100427 05:24:22< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze2 killed the real Blueblaze
20100427 05:24:29< Aethaeryn> :'(
20100427 05:24:38< Aethaeryn> Probably stole his new Macbook too
20100427 05:32:24< ancestral> Yeah that thief
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20100427 05:35:51< Aethaeryn> ancestral: 'cuz everyone wants a Mac, right?
20100427 05:36:32< ancestral> Um, yes?
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20100427 05:46:06< ancestral> Duuuuuude
20100427 05:46:21< Aethaeryn> Dude, get a Mac?
20100427 05:46:23< Aethaeryn> :P
20100427 05:46:32< ancestral> That's the Dell slogan
20100427 05:46:33< Aethaeryn> Oh hey, that quote didn't quite go like that.
20100427 05:46:37< ancestral> "Dude, you're getting a Dell!"
20100427 05:46:56< ancestral> (He proceeded to go to jail for possession of marijuana)
20100427 05:47:03< Aethaeryn> Sounds like what a pothead would say.
20100427 05:47:07< Aethaeryn> Actually.
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20100427 05:53:55< Aethaeryn> His catchphrase, I mean.
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20100427 06:01:00< ancestral> Alright, pickup game anyone?
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20100427 06:17:55< halifix> hm, I'm lagging with MP server
20100427 06:18:07< halifix> oh, god some WML child error
20100427 06:19:54< Aethaeryn> yeah, really bad lag today
20100427 06:19:58< Aethaeryn> glad it wasn't just my WML-fancy scenario
20100427 06:20:06< Aethaeryn> oooh, cool forums lag too
20100427 06:20:09< halifix> heh
20100427 06:20:09< Aethaeryn> and sql error trying to post
20100427 06:20:15< halifix> I can't connect to the MP server at all now
20100427 06:20:51< Aethaeryn> bah, I wanna post
20100427 06:23:21< ancestral> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/
20100427 06:23:24< ancestral> Post there
20100427 06:23:27< ancestral> It's like a forum
20100427 06:23:40< ancestral> (it actually kinda is like a forum…)
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20100427 06:24:48< ancestral> Aethaeryn: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/AbDA7QLh
20100427 06:27:12< Aethaeryn> k
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20100427 06:46:55< halifix> hm
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20100427 06:47:05< halifix> I have to restart Wesnoth after every game in order to connect to MP server
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20100427 06:52:21< halifix> well, at LEAST once
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20100427 07:00:35< King_Elendil> does anyone know what I need to do to this to make the unit with the id "runner" move to x,y=31,8? http://pastebin.com/RENRA8Ck
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20100427 07:10:40< sevis> King_Elendil: Did you re-colour that URL manually, or is it something on my end? O.o
20100427 07:11:17< VurtualRuler98> on his end
20100427 07:11:22< VurtualRuler98> Some clients do that automatically to URLs for no reason.
20100427 07:11:39< sevis> Ah, okay, good.
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20100427 07:12:47< Chojuro> hi
20100427 07:13:04< Jarkko_> Hello
20100427 07:13:17< Chojuro> is it me or the 1.8 server is not working
20100427 07:13:59< Chojuro> it keeps locking up during the game, just would like to know if i am causing the problem
20100427 07:16:06< King_Elendil> on your end sevis
20100427 07:16:14< King_Elendil> what else do I need to do, to get this to work? http://pastebin.com/jW8RrZ06
20100427 07:17:13< King_Elendil> Chojuro: no it is not you, 1.8 is not completely stable yet, they are still fixing bugs
20100427 07:17:58< King_Elendil> this most recent one is lua
20100427 07:18:05< Chojuro> Has anyone been able to apply the patch to revert to the 1.6 chatroom, i run patch old-lobby-patch and it expects stdin input, i am not familair with patch and diff
20100427 07:18:53< King_Elendil> yes, it has successfully been done. how? I don't know.
20100427 07:19:49< Chojuro> i found the patch file in wesnoth.org forums
20100427 07:19:50< King_Elendil> can anyone help?
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20100427 07:25:12< ancestral> King_Elendil: You may have to wait until someone who is familiar with AI and lua shows up here, or post on the forums
20100427 07:25:19< sevis> Weird, this one showed up as normal.
20100427 07:25:20< ancestral> actually, post in wesnoth-dev
20100427 07:25:59< King_Elendil> did already, and wesnoth-umc-dev
20100427 07:29:13< King_Elendil> ancestral, anything new on the bestairy?
20100427 07:29:34< ancestral> I was gonna work on it tonight
20100427 07:29:37< ancestral> But got distracted
20100427 07:29:42< King_Elendil> lol
20100427 07:29:46< ancestral> Actually tomorrow, gonna work on the unit tree page
20100427 07:29:49< ancestral> And piece things together
20100427 07:29:53< ancestral> It's gonna be hot ;-)
20100427 07:30:51< King_Elendil> cool, sorry I couldn't be much help :( , when photoshop stopped working, I kinda gave up
20100427 07:32:13< Jarkko_> King_Elendil: There's GIMP.
20100427 07:32:21< ancestral> King_Elendil: You're running a Mac too, right?
20100427 07:32:27< King_Elendil> yep
20100427 07:33:02< ancestral> You can try Gimp. You can also try GraphicConverter (fully functional, shareware after 30 days)
20100427 07:33:24< ancestral> http://gimp.lisanet.de/Website/News/News.html
20100427 07:33:51< ancestral> Top right near links
20100427 07:34:11< Jarkko_> Ah. The forums have a Down syndrome again.
20100427 07:34:20< King_Elendil> I know about GIMP, it would just be a step down, and downloading is a hassle for me. I just want to get photoshop up-and-running again.
20100427 07:34:58< ancestral> Ah sure
20100427 07:35:04< ancestral> I like Pixelmator myself
20100427 07:36:16< King_Elendil> how big is GIMP download?
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20100427 07:39:05< King_Elendil> just talking about downloading makes me lose connection :p
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20100427 07:40:12< King_Elendil> 95.1 MB
20100427 07:40:28< Jarkko_> Reasonable, basically.
20100427 07:40:33< King_Elendil> that's doable, if I get desperate
20100427 07:41:34< King_Elendil> well, I'm going to bed now, @2AM for the third night in a row O_O
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20100427 14:18:42< philstar> what does "no heal full" mean?
20100427 14:21:23< philstar> oh I see, it must mean that the unit won't get fully healed when leveling up
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20100427 14:38:34< Gambit> King_Elendil: Morning
20100427 14:38:42< King_Elendil> hey :D
20100427 14:39:31< King_Elendil> what else do I need to do, to get this to work? http://pastebin.com/jW8RrZ06
20100427 14:40:07< Gambit> haha! lua.
20100427 14:40:17< Gambit> It's like my right hand on a friday night.
20100427 14:40:37< King_Elendil> so you can tell me what to do?
20100427 14:40:44< Gambit>  [/ripping off zero punctuation joke]
20100427 14:40:52< Gambit> King_Elendil: Yes. Find another way.
20100427 14:40:59< King_Elendil> ok
20100427 14:41:21< Gambit> There is unit.goto_x and unit.goto_y
20100427 14:41:35< Gambit> There's also FAI which doesn't require lua.
20100427 14:41:41< Gambit> There's also move_unit_fake
20100427 14:42:06< King_Elendil> can I use this with something added to make unit with id "runner" move to x,y=31,8? http://pastebin.com/RENRA8Ck
20100427 14:42:25< Gambit> I think they'll act on that ASAP.
20100427 14:42:40< King_Elendil> yhis is for AI, and the goal is to kill the unit before it reaches 31,8
20100427 14:42:58< King_Elendil> *this
20100427 14:43:04< Gambit> Then give them all a goal to protect that location with a huge radius.
20100427 14:43:21< Gambit> Wait the AI kills the runner or the AI is the runner?
20100427 14:43:33< King_Elendil> AI is the runner
20100427 14:43:55< Gambit> let me look up the [goal] tag really quick
20100427 14:44:04< King_Elendil> ok, thanks
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20100427 14:46:18< Gambit> No there are no goals to make the AI go somewhere.
20100427 14:46:29< Gambit> But it can be accomplished with your good friend; variables :)
20100427 14:46:47< King_Elendil> ok
20100427 14:46:53< Gambit> If you store the unit you can set unit.goto_x to 31 and unit.goto_y to 8
20100427 14:47:01< King_Elendil> let me try this...
20100427 14:47:08< Gambit> But IIRC you'll have to do that on each one of his turns.
20100427 14:47:10< Gambit> Or he'll forget.
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20100427 14:47:42< Gambit> Lots of shiney objects on that road and all.
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20100427 14:49:09< King_Elendil> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/CEwYBiBJ somewhat like this?
20100427 14:50:03< Gambit> I don't think you need that thing for if side_number = 2
20100427 14:50:14< Gambit> you can just use an event "name=side 2 turn"
20100427 14:50:16< zookeeper> right, but it's better to have it anyway.
20100427 14:50:19< zookeeper> no
20100427 14:50:39< Gambit> zookeeper: ?
20100427 14:50:49< King_Elendil> well, here's the author himself :)
20100427 14:51:21< King_Elendil> sorry for being so stupid Zookeeper, I get it now-at least I think
20100427 14:51:28< Gambit> Why wouldn't side 2 turn work? :\
20100427 14:51:48< zookeeper> because it's too early and it's presumably a devfeature too
20100427 14:52:09< Gambit> Nobody's removed all those tags yet.
20100427 14:52:29< zookeeper> then simply because it happens too early.
20100427 14:52:36< Gambit> It's in 1.8 AFAIK. It was marked a devfeature back in 1.6ish but okay.
20100427 14:53:22< Gambit> side 2 turn refresh
20100427 14:53:44< Gambit> wait
20100427 14:53:49< Gambit> that IS a true devfeature
20100427 14:55:31< King_Elendil> so what does that mean?
20100427 14:55:44< Gambit> "side X turn refresh" is in 1.9
20100427 14:55:44< zookeeper> it means it won't be in any 1.8.x release
20100427 14:55:50< zookeeper> so don't try to use it
20100427 14:56:57< King_Elendil> zookeeper, will this work the way it is?
20100427 14:57:02< Gambit> Yes.
20100427 14:57:45< Gambit> King_Elendil: Want to see the awesomest dev feature currently in existence?
20100427 14:57:51< Gambit> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC_Ideas_Persistent_Gameworld#WML_Syntax
20100427 15:00:00< zookeeper> King_Elendil, yes, the last thing you posted works fine. of course you still need to put it in that turn refresh event right...
20100427 15:01:31< King_Elendil> zookeeper, doe it have to be in a separate event, or can I just add it to the moveto that fires it?
20100427 15:01:37< King_Elendil> *does
20100427 15:02:07< zookeeper> put it in a separate event
20100427 15:02:32< Gambit> King_Elendil: Is he supposed to be headed that way on every single turn from the get go?
20100427 15:03:54< King_Elendil> yes
20100427 15:04:21< King_Elendil> and it will take more than one turn
20100427 15:05:05< Gambit> Nevermind then.
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20100427 15:11:00< King_Elendil_> turn refresh or turn_refresh ?
20100427 15:11:07< King_Elendil_> name
20100427 15:13:05< Gambit> according to the wiki turn refresh
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20100427 15:17:20< King_Elendil_> thanks :)
20100427 15:19:26< King_Elendil_> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/twATkTsV like this? (sorry about screwed indention)
20100427 15:19:42< King_Elendil_> hi eyerouge :)
20100427 15:21:15< eyerouge> King_Elendil_: Hello.
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20100427 15:23:29< King_Elendil_> Yes! it worked :D
20100427 15:23:49< zookeeper> indeed
20100427 15:25:09< King_Elendil_> you are awesome, zookeeper :D
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20100427 15:28:08< zookeeper> i know
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20100427 15:34:09< King_Elendil_> lol
20100427 15:35:03< King_Elendil_> how do you change your nick-name here?
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20100427 15:35:56< King_Elendil> that's how :)
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20100427 16:07:41< King_Elendil> what could I call an event that is fired by another event, and just has messages in it?
20100427 16:08:33< Gambit> You can do [event]name=custom_string
20100427 16:08:41< Gambit> and then [fire_event]name=custom_string
20100427 16:08:54< King_Elendil> that will work, thanks :)
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20100427 16:17:55< King_Elendil> how would I do a delay in between messages?
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20100427 16:20:23< Gambit> The hell: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=386700#p386700
20100427 16:22:04< shadowmaster> Gambit: he's taking http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=423496#p423496 seriously
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20100427 16:39:43< King_Elendil> can anyone tell me why I would get an "unknown unit" error on the AI's first turn in this scenario? http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/e3gHKaGg
20100427 16:40:43< Gambit> Are comments allowed on the same line as actual code?
20100427 16:41:00< Gambit> What is the unknown unit?
20100427 16:41:31< shadowmaster> yes
20100427 16:41:34< King_Elendil> um, let me see again...
20100427 16:41:43< King_Elendil> why?
20100427 16:42:12< Gambit> Because that would help you find the issue.
20100427 16:42:14< King_Elendil> unknown unit type "
20100427 16:42:28< King_Elendil> that's what it says
20100427 16:43:00< Gambit> You have quotes around White Mage and General, but not Dark Adept.
20100427 16:43:06< Gambit> AFAIK those quotes aren't required.
20100427 16:43:16< Gambit> I don't know what the problem is though.
20100427 16:43:25< Gambit> That's just my uneducated guess.
20100427 16:43:53< shadowmaster> you haven't guessed anything
20100427 16:44:11< Gambit> I have guessed that he should remove the quotes and put the comment on its own line.
20100427 16:44:12< King_Elendil> SM, do you see it?
20100427 16:44:16< shadowmaster> no
20100427 16:44:24< shadowmaster> no to that too
20100427 16:44:46< King_Elendil> darn
20100427 16:44:49< Ivanovic> what is the recruit list of the bad guy?
20100427 16:45:06< King_Elendil> nothing
20100427 16:45:34< Gambit> "Skeleton?
20100427 16:45:40< Ivanovic> then you should explicitly specify an empty list?
20100427 16:45:56< zookeeper> no
20100427 16:46:03< King_Elendil> it worked like that a few minutes ago :(
20100427 16:46:15< zookeeper> then go back to what you had a few minutes ago and check what you changed
20100427 16:46:19< Gambit> Well what did you do in the last few minutes?
20100427 16:46:37< King_Elendil> the only thing I added was General Tyros' last breath
20100427 16:47:24< zookeeper> and if you remove that now, you no longer get that error?
20100427 16:47:35< King_Elendil> let me see...
20100427 16:48:08< zookeeper> well, anyway, afk for a bit.. ->
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20100427 16:48:30< King_Elendil> what does that mean?
20100427 16:48:40< Gambit> What does what mean?
20100427 16:48:51< shadowmaster> it means he went afk for a while
20100427 16:48:55< King_Elendil> afk and AFAIK
20100427 16:48:56< Gambit>  "/msg shikadibot afk?"
20100427 16:48:58< shadowmaster> away from the keyboard
20100427 16:49:11< King_Elendil> oh
20100427 16:49:23< Gambit> AFAIK = as far as I know
20100427 16:49:42< Gambit> wesnoth wiki search "slang".
20100427 16:50:50< King_Elendil> without the last breath the error is still there :(
20100427 16:51:09< Gambit> What did you do before that?
20100427 16:51:30< King_Elendil> let me look at it again
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20100427 16:55:30< Gambit> This is why you shouldn't code more than two features at a time.
20100427 16:55:35< Unnheulu> %^&*()_$%^&*()_
20100427 16:55:44< Gambit> Anytime you get anything noticeable done, no matter how small, test.
20100427 16:55:48< Unnheulu> Why do I have to have openoffice 2 -.-
20100427 16:55:57< King_Elendil> what I did before that was the AI moveto event, that happens when he reaches his destination, but I played and it worked after that
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20100427 17:11:38-!- Topic set by Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] [Mon Apr  5 23:01:04 2010]
20100427 17:11:38[Users #wesnoth]
20100427 17:11:38[ [NaL]      ] [ Euthanatos  ] [ Kivi       ] [ rrix          ] 
20100427 17:11:38[ ABCD       ] [ eyerouge    ] [ law_       ] [ Sacho         ] 
20100427 17:11:38[ AnMaster   ] [ FireFly     ] [ lobby      ] [ sevis         ] 
20100427 17:11:38[ apoi       ] [ G-Lo        ] [ lukjad86   ] [ SgtFlame|Work ] 
20100427 17:11:38[ Ariannah   ] [ Gambit      ] [ MadMerlin2 ] [ SgtFlame|Zen  ] 
20100427 17:11:38[ arikel     ] [ hagabaka    ] [ mich-      ] [ shadowmaster  ] 
20100427 17:11:38[ Becquerel  ] [ happygrue   ] [ mrEPIC     ] [ SkyWork       ] 
20100427 17:11:38[ BenUrban   ] [ harry1      ] [ MrMint     ] [ Smar          ] 
20100427 17:11:38[ Crab_      ] [ Hellrider   ] [ namad7     ] [ unimatrix0    ] 
20100427 17:11:38[ deekay     ] [ ilor__      ] [ Necrosporus] [ Unnheulu      ] 
20100427 17:11:38[ Deformative] [ isaac       ] [ philstar   ] [ Vetinari      ] 
20100427 17:11:38[ drry       ] [ Ivanovic    ] [ Queenie    ] [ VurtualRuler98] 
20100427 17:11:38[ erl        ] [ Johannes13  ] [ retupmoca  ] [ wesbot        ] 
20100427 17:11:38[ Espreon    ] [ John_R      ] [ Rhonda     ] [ Xjs|moonshine ] 
20100427 17:11:38[ ettin      ] [ King_Elendil] [ Rigor      ] [ zookeeper     ] 
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20100427 17:21:20-!- Topic set by Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] [Mon Apr  5 23:01:04 2010]
20100427 17:21:20[Users #wesnoth]
20100427 17:21:20[ [NaL]      ] [ Euthanatos  ] [ law_       ] [ sevis         ] 
20100427 17:21:20[ ABCD       ] [ eyerouge    ] [ lobby      ] [ SgtFlame|Work ] 
20100427 17:21:20[ AnMaster   ] [ FireFly     ] [ lukjad86   ] [ SgtFlame|Zen  ] 
20100427 17:21:20[ apoi       ] [ G-Lo        ] [ MadMerlin2 ] [ shadowmaster  ] 
20100427 17:21:20[ Ariannah   ] [ Gambit      ] [ mich-      ] [ SkyWork       ] 
20100427 17:21:20[ arikel     ] [ hagabaka    ] [ mrEPIC     ] [ Smar          ] 
20100427 17:21:20[ Becquerel  ] [ happygrue   ] [ MrMint     ] [ unimatrix0    ] 
20100427 17:21:20[ BenUrban   ] [ harry1      ] [ namad7     ] [ Unnheulu      ] 
20100427 17:21:20[ Blarumyrran] [ Hellrider   ] [ Necrosporus] [ Vetinari      ] 
20100427 17:21:20[ Crab_      ] [ ilor__      ] [ philstar   ] [ VurtualRuler98] 
20100427 17:21:20[ deekay     ] [ isaac       ] [ Queenie    ] [ wesbot        ] 
20100427 17:21:20[ Deformative] [ Ivanovic    ] [ retupmoca  ] [ Xjs|moonshine ] 
20100427 17:21:20[ drry       ] [ Johannes13  ] [ Rhonda     ] [ zookeeper     ] 
20100427 17:21:20[ erl        ] [ John_R      ] [ Rigor      ] 
20100427 17:21:20[ Espreon    ] [ King_Elendil] [ rrix       ] 
20100427 17:21:20[ ettin      ] [ Kivi        ] [ Sacho      ] 
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20100427 17:26:56-!- Topic set by Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] [Mon Apr  5 23:02:18 2010]
20100427 17:26:56[Users #wesnoth]
20100427 17:26:56[ [NaL]      ] [ Euthanatos  ] [ law_       ] [ sevis         ] 
20100427 17:26:56[ ABCD       ] [ eyerouge    ] [ lobby      ] [ SgtFlame|Work ] 
20100427 17:26:56[ AnMaster   ] [ FireFly     ] [ lukjad86   ] [ SgtFlame|Zen  ] 
20100427 17:26:56[ apoi       ] [ G-Lo        ] [ MadMerlin2 ] [ shadowmaster  ] 
20100427 17:26:56[ Ariannah   ] [ Gambit      ] [ mich-      ] [ SkyWork       ] 
20100427 17:26:56[ arikel     ] [ hagabaka    ] [ mrEPIC     ] [ Smar          ] 
20100427 17:26:56[ Becquerel  ] [ happygrue   ] [ MrMint     ] [ unimatrix0    ] 
20100427 17:26:56[ BenUrban   ] [ harry1      ] [ namad7     ] [ Unnheulu      ] 
20100427 17:26:56[ Blarumyrran] [ Hellrider   ] [ Necrosporus] [ Vetinari      ] 
20100427 17:26:56[ Crab_      ] [ ilor__      ] [ philstar   ] [ VurtualRuler98] 
20100427 17:26:56[ deekay     ] [ isaac       ] [ Queenie    ] [ wesbot        ] 
20100427 17:26:56[ Deformative] [ Ivanovic    ] [ retupmoca  ] [ Xjs|moonshine ] 
20100427 17:26:56[ drry       ] [ Johannes13  ] [ Rhonda     ] [ zookeeper     ] 
20100427 17:26:56[ erl        ] [ John_R      ] [ Rigor      ] 
20100427 17:26:56[ Espreon    ] [ King_Elendil] [ rrix       ] 
20100427 17:26:56[ ettin      ] [ Kivi        ] [ Sacho      ] 
20100427 17:26:56-!- Irssi: #wesnoth: Total of 61 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 61 normal]
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20100427 17:27:43< Sacho> no, it's not
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20100427 17:28:22< Sacho> an old Dear, more like an old fuck.
20100427 17:28:29< King_Elendil> lol
20100427 17:28:51< Sacho> also, that granny has no respect for the driver's time.
20100427 17:29:14< Sacho> sadly, humans are really bad at computing route optimizations.
20100427 17:29:43< King_Elendil> you be an old granny who can't move very fast :p
20100427 17:30:28< Sacho> then wait for the car to pass.
20100427 17:31:03< Sacho> though, I guess, there's a walk there. so it's the driver's problem for going through there in the first place.
20100427 17:31:06< King_Elendil> she was already asleep in the middle of the road when the car came, didn't you notice?
20100427 17:32:03< Sacho> Even worse.
20100427 17:32:10< King_Elendil> I know
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20100427 17:51:16< King_Elendil> hi
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20100427 17:59:45< MrMint> oh hello
20100427 17:59:49< MrMint> wait what
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20100427 18:00:12< Unnheulu|Laptop> hi
20100427 18:00:30< Unnheulu|Laptop> shadowmaster, care to explain what was happening on the forums? :)
20100427 18:00:35< shadowmaster> nothing
20100427 18:00:50< Unnheulu|Laptop> Ok then, why was it slow yesterday? 
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20100427 18:01:13< shadowmaster> nothing that affected only the forums
20100427 18:01:29< Unnheulu|Laptop> What affected the website then? :/
20100427 18:01:43< shadowmaster> a hardware issue.
20100427 18:01:54< shadowmaster> it should be over now.
20100427 18:01:56< Unnheulu|Laptop> Okays :)
20100427 18:02:00< Unnheulu|Laptop> It seems to be over to me
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20100427 18:19:44< Gambit> Unnheulu|Laptop: This is what happened: http://xkcd.com/649/
20100427 18:20:56< shadowmaster> no, but the person who caused it has already been executed
20100427 18:21:12< Gambit> Heh. What'd they do?
20100427 18:21:29< shadowmaster> no more shall be said about the case
20100427 18:21:37< Blarumyrran> Saddam Hussein, I knew it
20100427 18:21:39< Gambit> Okay.
20100427 18:21:50< Blarumyrran> Gambit, he killed lots of kurds for one
20100427 18:22:06< shadowmaster> but no kards, I guss.
20100427 18:22:36< VurtualRuler98> They were also potentially trying to monopolize oil, but nobody remembers that part.
20100427 18:22:43< Gambit> And some of those people he killed were in charge of running on giant hamster wheels to keep the website running?
20100427 18:23:16< shadowmaster> our slaves are doing very well and haven't been injured.
20100427 18:23:17< shadowmaster> ever.
20100427 18:23:23< Blarumyrran> underaged, underfed kurds who carry packets around
20100427 18:23:37< Unnheulu|Laptop> Gambit, third time you've said that now
20100427 18:23:40< Unnheulu|Laptop> At least
20100427 18:23:49< Gambit> shadowmaster: That's what caused yesterday! You're too soft on them.
20100427 18:23:53< shadowmaster> we haven't removed their upper limbs either
20100427 18:23:53< Gambit> More whips are needed. ;)
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20100427 18:24:28< shadowmaster> Gambit: I agree. Want to help me test that?
20100427 18:24:49< Gambit> Will it cause me bodily harm?
20100427 18:25:11< shadowmaster> only if you consider losing your free will "bodily harm"
20100427 18:25:36< Gambit> Sorry I need my free will for stuff and things.
20100427 18:25:45< Blarumyrran> You wouldn't care about it after going through it though
20100427 18:25:50< shadowmaster> you won't need it if you accept to work with us.
20100427 18:26:08< VurtualRuler98> Are you the Strogg, Combine, or Borg?
20100427 18:26:10< Gambit> This is begining to sound like Dollhouse.
20100427 18:26:23< Blarumyrran> What is Strogg?
20100427 18:26:29< VurtualRuler98> Quake 2
20100427 18:27:02< Gambit> If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.
20100427 18:27:09< Blarumyrran> I played Quake 2, but didn't know almost any english back then and never knew there was any story behind it other than to kill stuff
20100427 18:27:11< Gambit> Rush is on the radio right now ;)
20100427 18:27:24 * shadowmaster takes that as a "no"
20100427 18:27:30< Gambit> The DJ for my local radio station MUST be in this room.
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20100427 18:27:40< Gambit> That's four conversations now...
20100427 18:28:58 * Unnheulu|Laptop wonders if wesnoth has a limit of 2.1bil or so turns
20100427 18:28:58< VurtualRuler98> Quake 2 was the one quake with a real story
20100427 18:29:07< VurtualRuler98> Not just an excuse story for a setting, you had objectives.
20100427 18:29:13< VurtualRuler98> And they were your goal
20100427 18:29:23< Gambit> Unnheulu|Laptop: One way to find out.
20100427 18:29:28< Unnheulu|Laptop> Gambit, hah
20100427 18:29:31< VurtualRuler98> memory editing
20100427 18:29:34< VurtualRuler98> for science.
20100427 18:29:39< Gambit> Set victory_when_enemies_defeated=no
20100427 18:29:47< Unnheulu|Laptop> Gambit, Fancy coding it? No wesnoth on my lappy :P
20100427 18:29:55< Gambit> Load it up with one computer side, no gold, and no turn limit.
20100427 18:30:01< Unnheulu|Laptop> Heh
20100427 18:30:05< VurtualRuler98> Then half-life 1-upped it and pulled a very-first-person-immersiony-game, with lots of immersion and story, it was the first to really try that.
20100427 18:30:06< Gambit> Watch your ram dissappear. :)
20100427 18:30:10< Unnheulu|Laptop> Maybe I have got it
20100427 18:30:16< Unnheulu|Laptop> Time for experiments :D
20100427 18:30:19< shadowmaster> turns are size_t variables
20100427 18:30:28< Unnheulu|Laptop> Which is how big? :(
20100427 18:30:41< shadowmaster> the number of turns, however, is int
20100427 18:30:45< Unnheulu|Laptop> Oooh
20100427 18:30:56< Unnheulu|Laptop> So it'd be less than 2.1bil?
20100427 18:31:28< Gambit> Grr has apparently tested up to 75k.
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20100427 18:31:50< Unnheulu|Laptop> That's what made me wonder
20100427 18:31:51< shadowmaster> 2147483647
20100427 18:31:57< Unnheulu|Laptop> So it is 2.1bil
20100427 18:32:01< shadowmaster> assuming your system has the correct size of int
20100427 18:32:07 * Unnheulu|Laptop thought 2.1 bil was a long
20100427 18:32:18 * Unnheulu|Laptop also thinks that double is crazy huge
20100427 18:33:12 * Gambit can't find his C++ for dummies book to look it up
20100427 18:33:17< Unnheulu|Laptop> Heh
20100427 18:33:36 * Unnheulu|Laptop can't be bothered to find his teach yourself C++ in 21 days book
20100427 18:33:50< Unnheulu|Laptop> Funny though...python takes 24 iirc
20100427 18:34:04< Blarumyrran> There was a teach-yourself-c++-in-3-days, even
20100427 18:34:26 * Unnheulu|Laptop should've got that one
20100427 18:34:31< Unnheulu|Laptop> I got bored after chapter 5
20100427 18:34:45< Unnheulu|Laptop> Pointers hurt my brain
20100427 18:34:48 * Gambit wonders how one could possibly learn any language in 3 days...
20100427 18:34:57< Unnheulu|Laptop> Bash?
20100427 18:35:05< Blarumyrran> Gambit, markup languages like HTML & CSS
20100427 18:35:08< Unnheulu|Laptop> :)
20100427 18:35:19< Gambit> CSS takes at least a week.
20100427 18:35:27< Blarumyrran> nah, 2 days tops
20100427 18:35:33< Blarumyrran> id you're dedicated
20100427 18:35:36< Blarumyrran> if*
20100427 18:35:36< shadowmaster> CSS is not a markup language by itself
20100427 18:35:40< Unnheulu|Laptop> CSS is fast
20100427 18:35:45 * Unnheulu|Laptop wonders what CSS is
20100427 18:35:55< shadowmaster> it's no speed either
20100427 18:35:57< Gambit> s/dedicated/not human and don't require sleep or sustenance
20100427 18:35:59< shadowmaster> it all depends on the browser
20100427 18:36:15< Gambit> Unnheulu|Laptop: CSS isn't fast, but can be tricked. :)
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20100427 18:36:19< Unnheulu|Laptop> Gambit, victory_when_enemies_defeated=false doesn't work
20100427 18:36:25< Unnheulu|Laptop> I meant fast to learn :/
20100427 18:36:25< Gambit> I said no.
20100427 18:36:29< Gambit> Not false.
20100427 18:36:30< shadowmaster> CSS can't be tricked either. The browser can be, however.
20100427 18:36:35< Unnheulu|Laptop> Ah ok
20100427 18:37:01< Gambit> shadowmaster: stop taking my puns to be literal.
20100427 18:37:03< Gambit> lol
20100427 18:37:03< Unnheulu|Laptop> This won't crash my lappy, right?
20100427 18:37:15< Unnheulu|Laptop> It only has a crappy via processor or something
20100427 18:37:19< Gambit> Unnheulu|Laptop: It depends on what goes on in the scenario, and how much ram you have
20100427 18:37:23< Unnheulu|Laptop> (Yes, its a netbook)
20100427 18:37:27< Gambit> the save file is what will choke it.
20100427 18:37:28< shadowmaster> Gambit: I have no means to assume what you already know.
20100427 18:37:36< shadowmaster> I have means to assume what you might not know, however
20100427 18:37:41< Unnheulu|Laptop> If my PC has 512mb (cba to upgrade it), would that crash?^^
20100427 18:37:59< Unnheulu|Laptop> Don't mention the amount of ram, I have some spare lying around...somewhere
20100427 18:38:15< Gambit> Wesnoth was taking 1gb of ram at about turn 10k.
20100427 18:38:24< Unnheulu|Laptop> :/
20100427 18:38:36< Unnheulu|Laptop> Uhohs
20100427 18:38:37< Gambit> BUT I was storing massive variables
20100427 18:38:41< Gambit> every turn
20100427 18:39:16< Gambit> about 10 pages worth of wml structures every turn.
20100427 18:40:11 * Unnheulu|Laptop goes reads shikadiblog
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20100427 18:41:34< Unnheulu|Laptop> Aww no new stuff to read
20100427 18:42:17< Unnheulu|Laptop> Gambit, how do you create a side with no leader? :?
20100427 18:42:18< Unnheulu|Laptop> :/
20100427 18:42:24< Unnheulu|Laptop> has_leader=no doesn't work
20100427 18:42:35< Gambit> no_leader=yes
20100427 18:42:40< Unnheulu|Laptop> oops
20100427 18:42:40< Gambit> can_recruit=no
20100427 18:42:42< shadowmaster> Unnheulu|Laptop: you want me to rant for 4 MB worth of text on OEMs?
20100427 18:42:42< Unnheulu|Laptop> :D
20100427 18:42:59< Unnheulu|Laptop> OEMs?
20100427 18:43:05< shadowmaster> Original Equipment Manufacturers
20100427 18:43:07 * Unnheulu|Laptop is thick
20100427 18:43:09< Unnheulu|Laptop> ok
20100427 18:43:20< Unnheulu|Laptop> Anyhow, I wouldn't mind :)
20100427 18:43:31< shadowmaster> yeah...I would
20100427 18:43:43< Unnheulu|Laptop> Heh
20100427 18:43:54 * Unnheulu|Laptop notices how you link to turuks blog, but, not Gambit's^^
20100427 18:44:11< shadowmaster> because Gambit's never updates and doesn't have anything of historical interest
20100427 18:44:30< Unnheulu|Laptop> Gambit, pwned
20100427 18:45:07< Unnheulu|Laptop> What about rho<antibleepfun>nda's blog?
20100427 18:45:25< shadowmaster> I read it
20100427 18:45:26< Unnheulu|Laptop> Gambit, How do you set unlimted turns?
20100427 18:45:27< Unnheulu|Laptop> -1?
20100427 18:45:43< Unnheulu|Laptop> But, not linky to it, so I can't read it, other than when he/she links it to me
20100427 18:46:00< shadowmaster> I mean, the Live Bookmarks feature is the only reason I still use Firefox/Iceweasel
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20100427 18:46:29< shadowmaster> yes, I could use a dedicated RSS/Atom client, etc. etc. No, thanks.
20100427 18:46:53 * Unnheulu|Laptop uses epiphany, and wishes that ubuntu included it like gnome
20100427 18:47:27< shadowmaster> sudo apt-get install epiphany-browser
20100427 18:47:47< Unnheulu|Laptop> I know...
20100427 18:48:01< Unnheulu|Laptop> * Unnheulu|Laptop uses epiphany ;)
20100427 18:49:32< Unnheulu|Laptop> Turn 400
20100427 18:49:55 * Unnheulu|Laptop thought BFG meant Big Friendly Giant
20100427 18:50:05< shadowmaster> not at all
20100427 18:50:11< Blarumyrran> It's a pun on doom
20100427 18:50:14< Blarumyrran> I assume
20100427 18:50:26< shadowmaster> "the" BFG first appeared in Doom
20100427 18:50:42< shadowmaster> not the first BFG I guess, but it'll always be THE one for me
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20100427 18:51:23< Unnheulu|Laptop> Has no-one read the BFG?
20100427 18:51:28< Unnheulu|Laptop> Bye Roald Dahl?
20100427 18:51:36< Unnheulu|Laptop> Who went to church only miles from my house
20100427 18:51:45< Unnheulu|Laptop> s/bye/by/
20100427 18:52:00< Gambit> Yeah I need to start blogging again.
20100427 18:52:38< shadowmaster> no, that's not "the" BFG. That's not even a BFG
20100427 18:52:57< shadowmaster> that's something that happens to have the same name, but it's not the BFG.
20100427 18:54:00< Unnheulu|Laptop> I'm quitting wesnoth at <1000 turns
20100427 18:54:01< Unnheulu|Laptop> too slow
20100427 18:54:15< VurtualRuler98> big friendly giant?
20100427 18:54:16< shadowmaster> that's probably because the replay data grows too large
20100427 18:54:30< Unnheulu|Laptop> Not even killall wesnoth works :/
20100427 18:54:41< shadowmaster> killall -9 wesnoth
20100427 18:54:48< Unnheulu|Laptop> Thanks
20100427 18:54:55< shadowmaster> SIGKILL for you.
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20100427 18:55:51< Unnheulu|Laptop> Nooooo
20100427 18:56:01< Unnheulu|Laptop> Floppy disks are dying :(
20100427 18:56:16< King_Elendil> why do you want them to remain?
20100427 18:56:32< shadowmaster> he didn't imply or assert such a thing
20100427 18:56:33< Unnheulu|Laptop> I <3 floppy disks
20100427 18:56:50< Unnheulu|Laptop> CD's/DVD's break too easily
20100427 18:56:55< Blarumyrran> That's absurd
20100427 18:56:57< shadowmaster> he hasn't yet. "I want my beloved to be happy" applies
20100427 18:56:59< Unnheulu|Laptop> USB drive are too small
20100427 18:57:01< Blarumyrran> floppies break constantly
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20100427 18:57:11< Unnheulu|Laptop> Blarumyrran, As in, you can happily put it in a pocket
20100427 18:57:11< King_Elendil> there is a skill called reading between the lines SM, I did that there :p
20100427 18:57:13< Blarumyrran> They look sturdy, but they become unreadable very easily
20100427 18:57:29< shadowmaster> King_Elendil: I know that skill and I see you are a particularly noisy forum fellow
20100427 18:57:35< Unnheulu|Laptop> Unlike a CD which'll just snap (yeye, I know, eco-disks, but, w/e)
20100427 18:57:53< Blarumyrran> I've never had a CD "snap"
20100427 18:58:05< shadowmaster> snap?
20100427 18:58:06< Unnheulu|Laptop> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/8646084.stm
20100427 18:58:09< Unnheulu|Laptop> Break in two
20100427 18:58:13< shadowmaster> oh snap!
20100427 18:58:14< Blarumyrran> I've had 1 CD become unreadable, and some 4 floppies, and I've used a whole lot more CDs
20100427 18:58:32< shadowmaster> yeah, no broken CDs here either
20100427 18:58:36< VurtualRuler98> floppies are cool though
20100427 18:58:43< Blarumyrran> Back in the DOS/win3.1 times, trading games via floppies was The Thing
20100427 18:58:47< Unnheulu|Laptop> That's cause generally you transport them in cases...
20100427 18:59:20< Blarumyrran> Dangerous Dave 2, Brix, Hexxagon, CyberDogs, so many gems out there...
20100427 18:59:28< King_Elendil> "noisy forum fellow" ? I haven't posted in a week
20100427 18:59:45< shadowmaster> you haven't lost your identity yet
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20100427 18:59:54< shadowmaster> or have you? *click* *click*
20100427 18:59:57< shadowmaster> :p
20100427 19:00:18< King_Elendil> I like you SM, you make me think a lot :p
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20100427 19:00:30< Blarumyrran> Fanboy alert
20100427 19:00:39< King_Elendil> yep :D
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20100427 19:37:21< Gambit> SM makes me think a lot too... about things that scare my shrink.
20100427 19:37:27< Gambit> (jk)
20100427 19:39:13< Blarumyrran> Do you have a shrink?
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20100427 20:53:05< Unnheulu> Gambit: What's the most fun campaign for a new player?
20100427 20:53:16< Unnheulu> Who thinks this is a bad heroes of light and magic :/
20100427 20:53:24< Gambit> SP campaign or MP addon?
20100427 20:53:38< Unnheulu> Ninja1: D'ya prefer single or multiplayer?
20100427 20:54:07 * Gambit is suspicious
20100427 20:54:14 * Unnheulu smirks
20100427 20:54:18< Unnheulu> Gambit: sp then :P
20100427 20:54:23< Gambit> No.
20100427 20:54:24< Unnheulu> 'cause I know you'll jst say GEB
20100427 20:54:36< Gambit> Actually no.
20100427 20:54:43< Gambit> GEB would give a newbie entirely the wrong mindset
20100427 20:54:57< Gambit> They'd start expecting absolute freedom in all aspects of life
20100427 20:55:04< Ninja1> @Unn: Havent tried Multiplayer, still trying to figure out how the map works
20100427 20:55:04< Gambit> Only to find it's very much not the case.
20100427 20:55:18< Unnheulu> Heh
20100427 20:55:25< Unnheulu> Try the tutorial then ;)
20100427 20:55:26< Gambit> And it would drive them mad :o
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20100427 20:55:39< Gambit> Unnheulu: Newbies should play Survival Extreme.
20100427 20:55:45< Unnheulu> Hah
20100427 20:56:14< Gambit> SX and HttT.
20100427 20:56:22 * Unnheulu shudders at HttT
20100427 20:56:28< Unnheulu> I tried it on easy, and it was too hard
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20100427 20:56:40< Unnheulu> I like tSG though
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20100427 21:00:40< Unnheulu> Gambit: are you lonely without wesbot? :P
20100427 21:00:53< Gambit> But he's right over there >>>>>
20100427 21:01:09< Unnheulu> in #""""""xp
20100427 21:01:30< Gambit> you mean that dead IRC channel?
20100427 21:01:35< Unnheulu> Totally
20100427 21:01:38< Gambit> yeah...
20100427 21:02:44< Ninja1> I'm killing a thing!
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20100427 21:03:24< Gambit> Yay@
20100427 21:03:37< Gambit> Kill 4 more and you get a prize!
20100427 21:03:48< Gambit> Or at least you will in about a year.
20100427 21:04:01< Gambit> Once trophies and unlockables become commonplace amongst UMC's.
20100427 21:04:57< Unnheulu> They aren't in any...
20100427 21:05:04< Unnheulu> oh
20100427 21:05:07< Unnheulu> wespets
20100427 21:05:57< Blarumyrran> Wespets was original and all, but not really fun
20100427 21:06:09< Gambit> ^that
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20100427 21:06:47< Unnheulu> is the new water commited?
20100427 21:07:03< Gambit> It was never meant to take off except for that one day when I was sleep deprived and I thought it might go somewhere. XD
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20100427 21:13:19 * Unnheulu gets really annoyed at people who thinks that being a mod is fun
20100427 21:14:01< Gambit> I don't think that.
20100427 21:14:09< Gambit> [insert cliche about knowing]
20100427 21:14:23< Gambit> No but seriously, you can enjoy it.
20100427 21:14:40< Unnheulu> I've banned countless people in the last few days, after spending over a month with no bans -.-
20100427 21:14:48< Ninja1> I don't like this game
20100427 21:14:51< Gambit> "Days without incident"
20100427 21:15:11< Gambit> Ninja1: All of wesnoth, or just some lame addon that Unnheulu made you play?
20100427 21:15:19< Ninja1> Wesnoth
20100427 21:15:38< Gambit> Ah well. It's not for everyone I guess.
20100427 21:15:44< Gambit> No targeting reticule.
20100427 21:15:55< Ninja1> Nope, i'd rather play heroes of might and magic insteadf
20100427 21:16:10< Aethaeryn> bah.
20100427 21:16:13< Aethaeryn> Commercial games...
20100427 21:16:17< Ninja1> Yeah
20100427 21:16:23< Aethaeryn> They peaked in the late '90s and early '00s in terms of friendliness to UMC
20100427 21:16:28< Aethaeryn> and now they're awful for the UMC community.
20100427 21:16:33< Aethaeryn> Mostly.
20100427 21:16:37< Gambit> They hates us :'(
20100427 21:16:41< Ninja1> I play the third
20100427 21:16:43< Aethaeryn> Exactly.
20100427 21:16:51< Aethaeryn> Wesnoth is basically the only *current* game that is friendly to strategy UMCers
20100427 21:16:56< Aethaeryn> that I know of.
20100427 21:17:09< Aethaeryn> In part because switching to 3D made all the map editors a million times more complex than before.
20100427 21:17:13< Aethaeryn> So you could only use them if you were paid to.
20100427 21:17:34< Aethaeryn> Also in part because the fast-paced nature of RTS makes it so hard to do events when it's so easy in 'noth
20100427 21:17:36 * Unnheulu is making a strategy rts
20100427 21:17:42< Unnheulu> With umc support
20100427 21:17:44< Aethaeryn> yeah
20100427 21:17:53< Aethaeryn> and probably 9 out of 10 people in MP will just go as fast as possible.
20100427 21:17:58< Aethaeryn> Damn, I hate rushing.
20100427 21:18:11< Unnheulu> Same
20100427 21:18:25< Aethaeryn> But basically, Wesnoth is the only strategy game I've played where (1) the MP community/experience is enjoyable and (2) it is *SO* above-and-beyond friendly to UMC
20100427 21:18:34< Unnheulu> I play stronghold 2 loads, and anyone I recognise as a rusher I kick straight away
20100427 21:18:47< Aethaeryn> Other games will have you get UMC from third party forums and it won't be that popular and you have to shovel for the good stuff.
20100427 21:18:51< Aethaeryn> Since they want you to buy 3 expansions.
20100427 21:19:01< Aethaeryn> Wesnoth actually *mainlines* most good UMC
20100427 21:19:06< Unnheulu> Yeh
20100427 21:19:10< Aethaeryn> And makes the rest available really easily.
20100427 21:19:11< Ninja1> umc?
20100427 21:19:13< Aethaeryn> The only way it could be easier...
20100427 21:19:15< Unnheulu> User made content
20100427 21:19:21< Ninja1> i c
20100427 21:19:22< Aethaeryn> is if you could automatically download the add-on upon joining a game hosted 
20100427 21:19:29< SekoIdiootti> cool
20100427 21:19:30< Aethaeryn> so join an EoM game, and you get EoM.
20100427 21:19:31< SekoIdiootti> ooops!
20100427 21:19:34< Unnheulu> Which is what stronghold 2 does
20100427 21:19:38< SekoIdiootti> wrong channel ^^M
20100427 21:19:42< SekoIdiootti> *^^;
20100427 21:19:44< Unnheulu> Except SP add-ons you can't really download
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20100427 21:21:22< Unnheulu> Anyhow, my one is in python atm, so at some point in the future, I guess I should convert to another language
20100427 21:21:38< Unnheulu> (And a better gfx lib, pygame maxes out at 60fps)
20100427 21:21:54< Ninja1> I'll try yours when you are done with it:)
20100427 21:22:19< Unnheulu> Ninja1: that'll be ages :P
20100427 21:22:28< Unnheulu> I'm only on revision 19
20100427 21:22:36< Aethaeryn> Unnheulu: do you really need more than 60 fps?
20100427 21:22:37< Aethaeryn> :P
20100427 21:22:52< Unnheulu> Aethaeryn: Well, kinda ;)
20100427 21:23:05< Unnheulu> Otherwise things can't be as smooth
20100427 21:23:17< Unnheulu> (Yeye, I know its fairly smooth at 60, but, stuff like the map editor)
20100427 21:23:21< Ninja1> I got time
20100427 21:23:44< Unnheulu> Ninja1: AML isn't finished yet, so there is nothing really to show off
20100427 21:23:55< Ninja1> I'm not rushing you
20100427 21:24:10< Unnheulu> Are you on windows?
20100427 21:24:14< Ninja1> Yes
20100427 21:24:20< Unnheulu> Do you have python installed?
20100427 21:24:20< Ninja1> the vunderful vista
20100427 21:24:25< Ninja1> negative
20100427 21:24:26< Unnheulu> If so, can you try something for me
20100427 21:24:28< Unnheulu> Ugh
20100427 21:24:29< Ninja1> the snake?
20100427 21:24:32< Unnheulu> Yeh
20100427 21:24:43< Ninja1> no snakes, only a dog
20100427 21:24:47< Unnheulu> Ah
20100427 21:24:55< Ninja1> i'm kinda funny
20100427 21:24:56< Unnheulu> I mean the scripting language
20100427 21:25:15< Ninja1> I know a bit of HTML, does it helps?
20100427 21:25:32< Unnheulu> Help what?
20100427 21:25:43< Ninja1> helps with Python
20100427 21:25:47< Unnheulu> If you had python, I just wanted you to try and run a command :p
20100427 21:25:51< Unnheulu> And no, it doesn't
20100427 21:26:12< Unnheulu> Every time someone calls HTML a programming/scripting language, a fairy dies
20100427 21:26:54< Gambit> It's part of the acronym darnit
20100427 21:27:08< Gambit> markup
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20100427 21:29:15< Unnheulu> I'm still trying to work out what CSS is
20100427 21:29:44< Ninja1> Oh, captain hook references
20100427 21:29:58< Ninja1> counter strike source?
20100427 21:30:09< Unnheulu> cascading style sheets
20100427 21:30:16< Hethrir> ;)
20100427 21:30:41< Unnheulu> And I meant as in markup, scripting, programming, etc. ;)
20100427 21:31:56< Ninja1> god... thirteen and already playing with that kinda things?
20100427 21:32:08< Unnheulu> Blargh, I'm 14! ;p
20100427 21:32:12< Unnheulu> ;P
20100427 21:32:14< Ninja1> still
20100427 21:32:28< Unnheulu> I've been coding since Christmas '04 ;)
20100427 21:32:43< Ninja1> you were like... 8?
20100427 21:32:53< Unnheulu> Umm
20100427 21:32:58< Unnheulu> 8 or 9
20100427 21:32:59< Ninja1>  I'm not sure I even had Internet when I was 8..
20100427 21:33:03< Unnheulu> I was really bored though
20100427 21:33:13< Unnheulu> 'Cos I was stuck in my Nan's house all christmas
20100427 21:33:35< Unnheulu> All my friend's lived a few miles away, and I was really unfit back then
20100427 21:33:56< Unnheulu> (As in a town away)
20100427 21:34:30< Unnheulu> So, add being bored, not being able to see your friends, a computer, and one of your Dad's old books together...
20100427 21:34:33< Unnheulu> What do you get? :P
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20100427 21:35:08< sevis> Bah, I wish I had started programming at 8... :(
20100427 21:35:18< Unnheulu> I still suck
20100427 21:35:29< Unnheulu> I was doing structured up until only like last year
20100427 21:35:55< Unnheulu> sevis: Do I recognise you from ludumdare or pyweek?
20100427 21:36:22< sevis> Structured, as in... GOTO-based? Or not OOP?
20100427 21:36:30< Unnheulu> Not OOP
20100427 21:36:30< sevis> Errm. I know neither of those, sorry.
20100427 21:36:36< Unnheulu> Ok, nevermind then
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20100427 21:37:00< sevis> Ah. Well, I'm still doing not-OOP, I simply don't see any use for it currently, and I'm only coding stuff for myself to use.
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20100427 21:37:23< sevis> Is ludumdare a programming forum?
20100427 21:37:39< Unnheulu> LD48 is a 48hour programming competition
20100427 21:37:44< Unnheulu> Mini-LD is a 72 hour
20100427 21:38:01< sevis> Ah, no, I'm nowhere near good enough for anything like that.
20100427 21:39:30< Unnheulu> OOP really helps in that kind of stuff
20100427 21:39:45< sevis> In learning to code well?
20100427 21:39:50< Unnheulu> No
20100427 21:39:54< Unnheulu> In coding fast :P
20100427 21:39:58< sevis> Oh, okay.
20100427 21:40:06< sevis> Hm, I should probably try it.
20100427 21:40:20< sevis> Although, with most of my coding being in bash, it may be hard. :P
20100427 21:40:29< Unnheulu> Heh
20100427 21:41:02< Unnheulu> I used loads of bash in the gui for wesnoth-tc, before shadowmaster came and tore it all out^^
20100427 21:41:35< Unnheulu> (that's only 1 class, you don't need masses for oop)
20100427 21:42:05< sevis> I just use it to automate whatever I feel like automating... Which is just about anything that takes any amount of effort and can be automated.
20100427 21:42:06< Unnheulu> (although, it could be split into two I guess)
20100427 21:42:09< Unnheulu> :D
20100427 21:42:28< Unnheulu> I wanna automate installing the latest wesnoth every midnight
20100427 21:42:54< Unnheulu> But, cron hurts my brain :(
20100427 21:43:22< Soliton> @daily
20100427 21:43:42< sevis> @daily $HOME/bin/build_wesnoth ?
20100427 21:43:57< Unnheulu> Ok, I'll try that^^
20100427 21:46:37< sevis> Then some tee and output redirection to get a log of everything and a log of only errors, and you should be good.
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20100427 21:55:57< Unnheulu> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8646713.stm
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