--- Log opened Sun May 02 00:00:35 2010
20100502 00:07:01< Gambit> norbert_: Will they also be able to request that it get information from wsrsw.org?
20100502 00:07:15< Gambit> It seems to me that'd be a lot more useful.
20100502 00:07:37< norbert_> yes
20100502 00:07:57< norbert_> once I have the bot talking with the website, that's shouldn't be too difficult
20100502 00:08:05< norbert_> -'s
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20100502 00:08:29< Crab_> norbert_: I would really like to code a mechanism to allow external bots to add information to lobby user interface
20100502 00:09:10< norbert_> add what kind of information where in the lobby
20100502 00:09:28< Crab_> norbert_: e.g., a user switches to a certain 'room', and his interface is changed according to the info sent from the bot
20100502 00:10:00< norbert_> you mean the gui?
20100502 00:10:02< Crab_> norbert_: e.g., buttons added according to the list of 'actions' available from the bot, plus, possibly, some text info displayed, etc
20100502 00:10:03< Crab_> yes
20100502 00:10:37< norbert_> sounds like a lot of work and not that useful? :)
20100502 00:11:06< Crab_> norbert_: it is needed for my future plans :)
20100502 00:11:14< norbert_> ah, what plans?
20100502 00:12:03< Crab_> norbert_: support for massive multiplayer campaigns.
20100502 00:12:56< Crab_> norbert_: to which end I want to code a (c++, reusing wesnoth code)  gamemaster daemon which will connect to wesnoth mp server and host games on-demand
20100502 00:13:33< Crab_> norbert_: and, for users to see the current state of things in the long-running campaign (e.g, game map or ladder top-10), there is need for some way to allow tweaking a UI in the mp lobby
20100502 00:13:42< norbert_> won't the user limit per game still be 9?
20100502 00:13:59< Crab_> norbert_: yes, that is orthogonal to user limit per game
20100502 00:14:23< Crab_> norbert_: so I want those 'map selection' things to happen outside of game, too. e.g., in lobby.
20100502 00:14:45< Aethaeryn> norbert_: Sorry for jumping in late, but why C?
20100502 00:14:48< norbert_> sounds like a lot of work
20100502 00:14:50< Aethaeryn> Why not a serious language?
20100502 00:14:53< Aethaeryn> Like VisualBasic?
20100502 00:15:08< norbert_> or just plain basic? :)
20100502 00:15:24< Aethaeryn> TI Basic... It better run on your calculator or else it isn't portable enough
20100502 00:16:14< Crab_> norbert_: yes, but all the 'required' things are gradually put in place.
20100502 00:16:21< Aethaeryn> Better yet, Logo. Your screen-turtle better be able to handle it
20100502 00:18:41< Aethaeryn> Isn't sad though that VisualBasic.NET is one of the top 5 languages?
20100502 00:18:50< Aethaeryn> In terms of popluarity
20100502 00:20:18< AI0867> VisualBasic.NET is just a different syntax to C#
20100502 00:20:26< AI0867> and C# isn't bad
20100502 00:20:55< Aethaeryn> liez
20100502 00:20:59< AI0867> it's just that mono isn't very good yet
20100502 00:21:16< Aethaeryn> yeah, that's one of my main reasons of not liking Suse and Ubuntu
20100502 00:21:19< Aethaeryn> heavy reliance on mono
20100502 00:22:12< AI0867> C# is basically java - some useless restrictions + C/C++ stuff if you need it (unsafe mode) + some other stuff that people actually seem to have thought through
20100502 00:24:40< norbert_> sometimes people just start things because it's a challenge
20100502 00:24:54< norbert_> I think that's what happened with Miguel de Icaza
20100502 00:25:15< norbert_> he started GNOME, worked on other things, and then .NET came along
20100502 00:25:26< norbert_> and he decided to dive into it, probably for fun
20100502 00:25:35< Aethaeryn> Regardless, I don't like most Mono apps in their current form, they have a certain poor feel to them, and when that's consistent I can say it's the language.
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20100502 00:27:51< norbert_> I've never even looked at any mono software code, because mono is based on a card house
20100502 00:28:09< AI0867> Aethaeryn: it's the implementation of the framework
20100502 00:28:15< norbert_> it's always behind Microsoft, and if they ever decide to take a different turn, mono is screwed
20100502 00:28:50< AI0867> I've seen the same app run under both mono and .NET and .NET does look significantly better
20100502 00:28:50< Aethaeryn> I suppose that's why I prefer Google to Microsoft.
20100502 00:29:00< Aethaeryn> Google doesn't care what platform you use as long as you use it to access their services.
20100502 00:29:14< Aethaeryn> Microsoft wants you to be in the complete ecosystem, using Windows/Office/IE/Outlook/etc.
20100502 00:29:23< Aethaeryn> And if you don't have one link in that chain, it's a far inferior experience
20100502 00:33:16< Gambit> But if you have them all then it's sugar and rainbows.
20100502 00:33:18< Aethaeryn> I have XP (in a VM), an Android phone, and Fedora. I have about 4 browsers on all my things, including my Android phone.
20100502 00:33:31< Aethaeryn> Google seems to provide the best experiences...
20100502 00:33:40< Aethaeryn> Even if I had an iPod Touch or something Google would still be there for me.
20100502 00:33:56< Aethaeryn> Honestly, if I got an iPad it would just be for Google Earth :P
20100502 00:34:09< Aethaeryn> Multitouch is so awesome on that thing.
20100502 00:34:32< Aethaeryn> The reason I got a Nexus One was using Google Earth on my sister's iPhone one day. Really nice experience.
20100502 00:36:12< Aethaeryn> Monoculture leads to nice experiences I'm sure if you just do Apple or just Microsoft, but it's infeasible these days.
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20100502 00:37:37< norbert_> or just Linux; I've been using GNU/Linux only for 13.5 years now
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20100502 00:38:10< Aethaeryn> Oh, Windows XP on a VM provides a far better experience than Vista natively provides.
20100502 00:38:41< norbert_> on principle I won't touch Windows :)
20100502 00:38:45< Aethaeryn> When I need to use Windows for some reason, I just boot up VirtualBox within Fedora. Honestly, if they had VirtualBox at the level it is today back when I switched many, many years ago it would've been a much smoother transition.
20100502 00:39:06< Aethaeryn> Unfortunately, for college students, failing or dropping a class on principle is unwise.
20100502 00:39:19< Aethaeryn> For instance, in Psychology I needed IE+Shockwave (not flash) because we needed ancient technology.
20100502 00:39:56< norbert_> if the school wants you to use that, can't you say 'okay, what computer in school can I use?' :)
20100502 00:40:59< Aethaeryn> or you could just use Windows XP in a virtual machine since you don't need anything fancier than a web browser...
20100502 00:41:18< Aethaeryn> and not have to hassle yourself with a public Windows XP computer from 2005 
20100502 00:41:34< norbert_> I remember back in the days when an encryption program we had to write required a win32 gui, and I talked the prof into accepting my GTK+ app ;)
20100502 00:42:29< norbert_> I even (illegally) created a Linux partition on a Windows box so he could rate my work
20100502 00:42:46< norbert_> those were the good old days :)
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20100502 00:46:27< Aethaeryn> oh, Linux and cross-platform are much more "in" these days.
20100502 00:47:09< norbert_> and since Wesnoth is available for Linux, who needs Windows
20100502 00:47:40< Aethaeryn> Agreed.
20100502 00:47:49< Aethaeryn> Commercial games have basically gone downhill in the second half of the '00s
20100502 00:47:57< Aethaeryn> so Wesnoth basically satisfies my gaming needs.
20100502 00:48:11< Aethaeryn> Since Wesnoth is progressively getting better, unlike the gamble it is to buy a sequel of a good game
20100502 00:48:28< Aethaeryn> you'll know Wesnoth 1.8 > 1.6, you don't know Foo 3 > Foo 2
20100502 00:49:15< Aethaeryn> And you have to buy Foo 3, you don't have to buy Wesnoth 1.8
20100502 00:49:20< norbert_> yep
20100502 00:49:25< norbert_> have you ever played nethack?
20100502 00:49:26< Aethaeryn> You just need to spend money on hardware and Internet, as it should be.
20100502 00:49:31< Aethaeryn> I don't like nethack.
20100502 00:49:38< Aethaeryn> It's a bit too arcane for my tastes.
20100502 00:49:44< norbert_> okay
20100502 00:49:51< Aethaeryn> The GUI'd forms are awfuly ugly (they should steal Wesnoth art)
20100502 00:50:00< Aethaeryn> and the non-GUI form is really really hard.
20100502 00:50:34< Aethaeryn> I do like Wesband, though, the Wesnoth reimagining of Nethack :P
20100502 00:50:45< norbert_> even with a gui it's really really hard to finish
20100502 00:51:12< Aethaeryn> yeah, but without a GUI it just is all-around harder.
20100502 00:51:18< Aethaeryn> With a GUI I only made it to floor 3 or 4
20100502 00:51:19< norbert_> I finished it twice with load/save enabled, then decided I was addicted and never played it again :P
20100502 00:51:41< Aethaeryn> It just needs a graphics overhaul
20100502 00:51:43< Aethaeryn> and more logical commands
20100502 00:52:02< Aethaeryn> Wesnoth has spoiled me, there really is no other FOSS game that looks good anymore
20100502 00:52:13< Aethaeryn> Wesnoth = KISS + good graphics.
20100502 00:52:26< Aethaeryn> Most other FOSS = really, really complex with an ultra-hard learning curve and hideous graphics.
20100502 00:52:47< norbert_> supertux is okay
20100502 00:53:00< Aethaeryn> SuperTux moves too slowly.
20100502 00:53:04< norbert_> KISS, good graphics, and some really difficult levels
20100502 00:53:16< Aethaeryn> I mean, the devel of SuperTux.
20100502 00:53:18< norbert_> not difficult in the default maps, but addons
20100502 00:53:38< Aethaeryn> Wesnoth = KISS + good graphics + yearly releases.
20100502 00:53:45< Aethaeryn> *really* unusual in the FOSS gaming world.
20100502 00:54:04< Aethaeryn> There's so many games I like that look like they're stuck in development limbo.
20100502 00:55:28< Aethaeryn> SuperTux's last stable was 3 years ago
20100502 00:55:33< Aethaeryn> that's glacial speeds right there.
20100502 00:56:23< norbert_> hehe
20100502 00:56:28< Aethaeryn> Though yes, Fedora has included the devel version for some time, but it shows as a devel version. Not 100% stable and ends rather abruptly half way through forest world last I tried
20100502 00:56:58< norbert_> it ends with lanterns you have to drag
20100502 00:57:10< norbert_> to get letters or something
20100502 00:57:12< norbert_> it's finishable
20100502 00:57:28< Aethaeryn> must be in the March release that Wikipedia says is out
20100502 00:57:36< Aethaeryn> definitely wasn't finishable last year
20100502 00:58:15< Aethaeryn> the later forest levels are also rather odd
20100502 00:58:39< Aethaeryn> not necessarily not the style of some platformers, but definitely not the style of the first half of the game and the Mario games it bases itself off of
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20100502 00:59:55< norbert_> what I like about wesnoth is that when I first tried playing on the server, I found out that I was not an expert but a noob
20100502 01:00:25< norbert_> I could finish most campaigns on hard, but had no idea about defenses or resistances or anything like that
20100502 01:00:44< norbert_> it's nice that anyone can play it
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20100502 02:58:44< CIA-10> eleazar * r42418 /trunk/data/core/images/terrain/flat/ (6 files): improved medium-dry grass main tiles-- otherwise known as savanna.
20100502 03:06:21< CIA-10> espreon * r42419 /trunk/data/core/images/terrain/flat/ (savanna.png savanna2.png): 
20100502 03:06:21< CIA-10> Ran wesnoth-optipng:
20100502 03:06:21< CIA-10> Overall statistics (only for files with a smaller recompressed size):
20100502 03:06:21< CIA-10> Original size: 26 KiB on 2 files
20100502 03:06:21< CIA-10> Optimized size: 22 KiB
20100502 03:06:22< CIA-10> Total saving: 4 KiB = 18% decrease
20100502 03:07:37< CIA-10> espreon * r42420 /trunk/data/core/images/terrain/ (fog2.png fog3.png): 
20100502 03:07:38< CIA-10> Ran wesnoth-optipng:
20100502 03:07:38< CIA-10> Overall statistics (only for files with a smaller recompressed size):
20100502 03:07:38< CIA-10> Original size: 13 KiB on 2 files
20100502 03:07:38< CIA-10> Optimized size: 11 KiB
20100502 03:07:38< CIA-10> Total saving: 2 KiB = 15% decrease
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20100502 04:22:53< Espreon> Ivanovic: May we have an Ancient Egyptian translation, LOL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_hieroglyphs#Hieroglyphs_in_Unicode
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20100502 07:18:22< CIA-10> eleazar * r42422 /trunk/ (46 files in 4 dirs): improved 'desert road' terrain and moving it into the 'flat' subdir. step 1.
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20100502 07:19:48< CIA-10> eleazar * r42423 /trunk/data/core/images/terrain/flat/ (25 files): improved 'desert road' step 2. done for now.
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20100502 07:27:49< CIA-10> espreon * r42424 /trunk/data/core/images/terrain/flat/ (25 files): 
20100502 07:27:49< CIA-10> Ran wesnoth-optipng:
20100502 07:27:49< CIA-10> Overall statistics (only for files with a smaller recompressed size):
20100502 07:27:49< CIA-10> Original size: 233 KiB on 25 files
20100502 07:27:49< CIA-10> Optimized size: 171 KiB
20100502 07:27:50< CIA-10> Total saving: 62 KiB = 26% decrease
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20100502 07:30:19< CIA-10> Ran wesnoth-optipng:
20100502 07:30:19< CIA-10> Overall statistics (only for files with a smaller recompressed size):
20100502 07:30:19< CIA-10> Original size: 79 KiB on 8 files
20100502 07:30:19< CIA-10> Optimized size: 58 KiB
20100502 07:30:19< CIA-10> Total saving: 20 KiB = 26% decrease
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20100502 07:32:34< mordante> servus
20100502 07:34:40< CIA-10> mordante * r42426 /trunk/changelog: Fix some quotes in the changelog.
20100502 07:35:42< Espreon> mordante: Ic grete þe.
20100502 07:35:50< mordante> hi Espreon 
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20100502 09:11:11< zookeeper> oh yay, i like what eleazar's doing.
20100502 09:16:22< Espreon> Who doesn't?
20100502 09:18:07< zookeeper> someone who doesn't know about it, i guess.
20100502 09:25:12< Blarumyrran> I never understood the forest terrain ground color either
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20100502 10:11:23< Ivanovic> moin
20100502 10:13:18< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
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20100502 12:07:07< Ivanovic> fendrin, shadowmaster, whoever wanted to do the inclusion of the new northerner theme: what is the status of this?
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20100502 12:45:33< Ivanovic> fendrin: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=425781#p425781
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20100502 13:05:00< fendrin> Ivanovic: hi
20100502 13:05:17< fendrin> Ivanovic: Just came back to the issue yesterday.
20100502 13:06:43< Ivanovic> okay
20100502 13:20:34< CIA-10> mordante * r42427 /trunk/utils/wiki_grabber.py: Add a few more hyperlinks in the documentation.
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20100502 13:30:40< CIA-10> fendrin * r42428 /branches/1.8/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Replaced the Northerners song by a new one.
20100502 13:43:13< CIA-10> fendrin * r42429 /branches/1.8/changelog: Be more verbose.
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20100502 14:14:20< CIA-10> mordante * r42430 /trunk/src/gui/auxiliary/widget_definition.hpp: 
20100502 14:14:20< CIA-10> Add a generic cast function for resolutions.
20100502 14:14:20< CIA-10> This is used in the new tlist class.
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20100502 14:17:53< CIA-10> mordante * r42431 /trunk/ (29 files in 8 dirs): 
20100502 14:17:53< CIA-10> Added new experimental list box implementation.
20100502 14:17:53< CIA-10> The code is very experimental and incomplete and therefore ifdeffed with
20100502 14:17:53< CIA-10> GUI2_EXPERIMENTAL_LISTBOX.
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20100502 15:14:19< Ivanovic> fendrin: please do not forget to commit the song to trunk, too
20100502 15:14:56< Ivanovic> writing the 1.8.1 announcement now
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20100502 15:18:57< CIA-10> mordante * r42432 /trunk/utils/wiki_grabber.py: 
20100502 15:18:58< CIA-10> Add a new table format for widgets in a dialog.
20100502 15:18:58< CIA-10> The old format worked, but the parsing felt awkward and was hard to
20100502 15:18:58< CIA-10> remember. The new format is easier to remember and parse.
20100502 15:19:01< CIA-10> mordante * r42433 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/addon_connect.cpp: 
20100502 15:19:01< CIA-10> Converted to the new wiki table format.
20100502 15:19:01< CIA-10> Both a test case and fix the old broken formatting.
20100502 15:19:05< CIA-10> mordante * r42434 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/unit_attack.cpp: 
20100502 15:19:05< CIA-10> Converted to the new wiki table format.
20100502 15:19:05< CIA-10> Both a test case and fix the old broken formatting.
20100502 15:25:48< Ivanovic> 1.8.1 forum post: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=29828
20100502 15:29:02< mordante> "but are working " we are
20100502 15:29:58< mordante> afk
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20100502 15:36:43< Ivanovic> updated the frontpage
20100502 15:37:13< Ivanovic> Soliton, happygrue: could you update the motd of the mp server so that this version is mentioned?
20100502 15:38:18< Soliton> maybe.
20100502 15:39:54< Soliton> nah, don't really see the point.
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20100502 16:27:58< zookeeper> Soliton, wouldn't it be a good idea to mention that the lobby is fixed in the new version..?
20100502 16:28:21< Ivanovic> at least that the old lobby is back and that the missing wml child crash should be gone
20100502 16:28:22< Soliton> sure, i can do that.
20100502 16:28:41< Soliton> preferably if someone gives me the text. :-)
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20100502 16:45:52< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: may I add "A couple of security issues regarding add-on publishing were also fixed, so add-on maintainers are encouraged to upgrade to this version." ¡
20100502 16:45:57< shadowmaster> s/¡/?/
20100502 16:46:42< shadowmaster> I take that as a yes
20100502 16:46:51< Ivanovic> this is only relevant for the addon_manager, right?
20100502 16:46:53< Ivanovic> not for ingame
20100502 16:46:59< shadowmaster> for ingame too
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20100502 16:47:48< shadowmaster> one affected the python script and the other affected the ingame client when dealing with files coming from a platform with a different idea of what a "line break" is
20100502 16:48:27< Ivanovic> done
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20100502 17:40:17< Soliton> ok, made an update to the motd and announced the new version in a server message.
20100502 17:41:49< shadowmaster> does anyone know of any add-on in the 1.8 server that depends on other add-on(s)?
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20100502 17:42:31< shadowmaster> ah, nvm, found one
20100502 17:42:59< FAAB> it is in configure.ac
20100502 17:43:27< shadowmaster> FAAB: depends on the build recipe you are using. What is it?
20100502 17:43:27< shadowmaster> oh, autotools
20100502 17:44:56< FAAB> ok I get them too now
20100502 17:45:04< shadowmaster> FAAB: note that patch https://gna.org/patch/?1657 cannot be applied on 1.8 so  I'm going to fix https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?15960 apart
20100502 17:46:34< CIA-10> eleazar * r42435 /trunk/data/core/about.cfg: added 'Simon Forsyth (Alarantalara)' to credits
20100502 17:48:50< CIA-10> shadowmaster * r42436 /trunk/data/core/about.cfg: Indentation
20100502 17:57:21< shadowmaster> shikadibot: repo
20100502 17:57:21< shikadibot> Repository URI: http://svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth
20100502 17:59:20< shadowmaster> tcp        0      0 bluecore.local:45935    subversion.gna.org:ssh  ESTABLISHED
20100502 17:59:27 * shadowmaster scratches head
20100502 17:59:51< shadowmaster> fendrin: why did you commit that music replacement to 1.8?
20100502 18:00:15< shadowmaster> and not to trunk even!
20100502 18:01:56< CIA-10> shadowmaster * r42437 /branches/1.8/ (changelog src/addon_management.cpp): 
20100502 18:01:56< CIA-10> Make the missing dependencies warning when installing add-ons work as
20100502 18:01:56< CIA-10> expected (fixes bug #15960)
20100502 18:04:20< CIA-10> shadowmaster * r42438 /trunk/ (changelog src/addon_management.cpp): 
20100502 18:04:20< CIA-10> Make the missing dependencies warning when installing add-ons work as
20100502 18:04:20< CIA-10> expected (fixes bug #15960)
20100502 18:04:32< FAAB> shadowmaster: new version with no warnings uploaded
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20100502 18:05:33< shadowmaster> k. Note that it won't apply cleanly on trunk anymore since r42438 but I will skip that part
20100502 18:06:46< FAAB> do you want me to update and redo it ?
20100502 18:06:59< shadowmaster> no
20100502 18:07:25< shadowmaster> it's just a one-line change which I manually fixed in the diff myself :P
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20100502 18:08:43< shadowmaster> FAAB: did you test your patch?
20100502 18:09:03< shadowmaster> it causes a SIGSEGV here as soon as the client connects to the server
20100502 18:09:26< FAAB> yes I did
20100502 18:09:49< FAAB> are you connecting to a distant add-on server ?
20100502 18:10:05< FAAB> I only tested on a local server...
20100502 18:10:25< shadowmaster> I'm connecting to wesnoth.org (default trunk port) and wesnoth.org:15001 (1.8 port)
20100502 18:10:39< shadowmaster> and checking if it's actually the patch or some other change in the network layer
20100502 18:11:21< shadowmaster> yeah it's the patch. (And I should've made a debug build, ugh)
20100502 18:11:51< FAAB> yeah same thing here :(
20100502 18:12:14< FAAB> nevermind I will look at that
20100502 18:12:26< FAAB> sorry for losing your time :/
20100502 18:12:35< shadowmaster> okay, don't worry, I'm free
20100502 18:14:55< FAAB> it is coming from the warning removal, the original patch is ok
20100502 18:17:10< shadowmaster> sigh, even with -O0, AI compilation takes horribly long
20100502 18:19:15< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: in your last commit you added the changelog entry in the 1.8.0 section
20100502 18:19:20< Ivanovic> not in the 1.8.1+svn section
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20100502 18:19:37< Ivanovic> ah, sorry, wrong alert
20100502 18:19:37< shadowmaster> uh, really?
20100502 18:19:56< Ivanovic> had a look at the trunk changelog diff and there it is perfectly correct
20100502 18:27:46< FAAB> well the unused parameter must be commented  (const network::manager& /*net_manager*/) but can't be removed
20100502 18:28:07< shadowmaster> huh...
20100502 18:29:19< Aethaeryn> There's a bad transition
20100502 18:29:39< Aethaeryn> if you put an underground/dwarvish castle up against a wall (not cave wall, plain wall)
20100502 18:29:53< Aethaeryn> on one of the angles, there's one patch of cave wall visible
20100502 18:30:28< shadowmaster> isn't there a forum thread for that?
20100502 18:30:48< Blarumyrran> a very recent one, evenn
20100502 18:31:02< Aethaeryn> no, the thread is for castle against cave wall, iirc
20100502 18:31:07< Aethaeryn> this is castle against plain wall
20100502 18:31:07< Blarumyrran> nevermind
20100502 18:31:18< Aethaeryn> that a cave wall transition appears at one spot
20100502 18:31:24< Aethaeryn> doesn't happen for other castle types, just dwarf
20100502 18:31:24< Blarumyrran> Isn't it silly anyway though=
20100502 18:31:25< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: you could still point it out and maybe they can help with it
20100502 18:31:33< FAAB> shadowmaster: one more patch uploaded :/
20100502 18:31:49< shadowmaster> FAAB: don't worry, I had to submit like 20 versions of my first patch
20100502 18:32:05< Blarumyrran> The dwarf castle and the wall have like 10 times cognitive scale difference
20100502 18:32:43< shadowmaster> what you pointed out sounds fishy anyway. I'll check with gdb
20100502 18:32:51< Blarumyrran> So the transition will be heavily slanted no matter what
20100502 18:34:27< FAAB> BTW is there a way to have the warning enable while not having the configure.ac file checked out ?
20100502 18:35:13< FAAB> I am sure some day I will forget to remove it from a patch and it would get commit
20100502 18:35:29< shadowmaster> the scons recipe doesn't pass -Wno-unused-parameter
20100502 18:35:43< shadowmaster> maybe the autotools doesn't either when in strict mode (--enable-strict)
20100502 18:36:13< shadowmaster> um , --enable-strict-compilation (yays for ridiculous name)
20100502 18:37:18< shadowmaster> you could also try passing CXXFLAGS=-Wunused-parameter
20100502 18:37:49< shadowmaster> um, correction, strict mode also uses -Wno-unused-yadda
20100502 18:41:30< loonycyborg> -Wno-unused-parameter is passed in strict mode by all buildsystems. scons just has it disabled by default.
20100502 18:42:38< shadowmaster> my poor ram
20100502 18:42:48< shadowmaster> just 14 MB free
20100502 18:43:00< FAAB> loonycyborg: thanks, I have to figure out how to use scons now
20100502 18:43:16< shadowmaster> or you can try CXXFLAGS as I said above
20100502 18:43:27< shadowmaster> hopefully it'll get passed after the -Wno- switch
20100502 18:43:45< loonycyborg> Or --disable-strict-compilation to ./configure
20100502 18:44:43< shadowmaster> what's the point of strict compilation if it's more lenient than non-strict regarding unused parameters?
20100502 18:45:16< loonycyborg> Probably because people don't want to fix compile errors that it causes.
20100502 18:45:38< shadowmaster> ah, well.
20100502 18:45:57< shadowmaster> more like, what's the point of strict compilation by default for end-users?
20100502 18:47:21< shadowmaster> notably, the backtrace with -O0 is still rather useless
20100502 18:47:37< shadowmaster> the SIGSEGV doesn't occur in the main thread :|
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20100502 18:48:20< loonycyborg> shadowmaster: Because developers can't be trusted to enable it for themselves :P
20100502 18:48:51< shadowmaster> are you saying that wesnoth is developed by toddlers?
20100502 18:49:26< shadowmaster> we might as well not trust people to program in C++...
20100502 18:51:39< Ivanovic> Soliton: will you have a look at this one?
20100502 18:51:43< Ivanovic> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?15975
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20100502 19:09:09< shadowmaster> FAAB: um, I'm not sure yet what your patch does for the user?
20100502 19:09:54< FAAB> do you want me to put some test cases on the server ?
20100502 19:10:35< shadowmaster> let me check first whether I'm building with the patch or not :|
20100502 19:10:56< shadowmaster> it seems I didn't.
20100502 19:11:44< shadowmaster> ew, I'm running the -O3 build instead of my newly created -O0 build, that's why
20100502 19:13:01< shadowmaster> FAAB: okay, fine, but is there any reason you decided to ask the user *after* downloading the original add-on, instead of later?
20100502 19:13:06< shadowmaster> instead of before, I mean
20100502 19:13:37< FAAB> I have put an add-on NoM_dep_test_addon that has a dependency on Nightmares_of_Meloen
20100502 19:14:39< FAAB> so in the unlikely case you do'nt have Nightmares_of_Meloen installed, if you install NoM_dep_test_addon, at the end it will open a dialog for installing Nightmares_of_Meloen
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20100502 19:15:13< shadowmaster> that doesn't answer my question
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20100502 19:15:38< shadowmaster> I mean, I'd personally like to see the dependencies of the add-on I'm installing before I download this add-on.
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20100502 19:16:04< shadowmaster> in my test case (Love to Death from 1.8), the dependencies are enormous in size, and I'd like to know that beforehand
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20100502 19:16:32< shadowmaster> that could influence my decision whether to install the dependant add-on in the first place
20100502 19:17:05< FAAB> that would be another feature I guess
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20100502 19:18:00< FAAB> but at least you can decide not downloading the dependency when the dialog opens
20100502 19:18:35< shadowmaster> and what if it's an essential dependency that it's too large for downloading? I get a broken add-on and a wasted download
20100502 19:18:50< shadowmaster> (a better scenario might be some campaign and Imperial Era, which is quite large)
20100502 19:19:03< FAAB> I do it after so that I can solve the problem of circular dependencies
20100502 19:20:21< shadowmaster> what would happen otherwise?
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20100502 19:21:46< FAAB> A depend on B, B depends on A, request to install A, prompt a dialog to install B first, prompt a dialog to install A first (dependency of B), ...
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20100502 19:22:50< shadowmaster> you could gather all dependencies recursively (and exclude the original dependant from the resultant list) and only then use that for asking the user
20100502 19:22:50< FAAB> in my case:  A depend on B, B depends on A, request to install A, install A, prompt a dialog to install B, install B, don't prompt a dialog to install A as already installed
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20100502 19:24:02< FAAB> sure but then you don't know what are the dependencies of the addon you want to install and what is the dependencies of the dependencies
20100502 19:24:48< shadowmaster> right.
20100502 19:25:11< FAAB> actually the dependencies are not used much for now, so I don't know what is a dependency and what is not
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20100502 19:26:02< FAAB> for example: I use a sprite from a campaign in my campaign, will I use a dependency or just copy the unit
20100502 19:26:18< shadowmaster> to me, if A depends on B and B depends on C and C depends on A (i.e. A depends on B which depends B) should fall into the "broken add-on" category ;)
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20100502 19:26:53< FAAB> if I use a dependency, I obviously don't care of the dependencies of the campaign I am using the sprite from
20100502 19:27:04< shadowmaster> I can't think of any case where A->B->A (directly or transitively) would be useful.
20100502 19:27:22< shadowmaster> but yeah, it can happen with add-ons from different authors I guess
20100502 19:28:13< FAAB> I would rather mkae a light algorithm and improve it when it actually get used
20100502 19:28:32< shadowmaster> I'll apply the patch with some string changes anyway - some wording could be improved and I think I saw a case which should use plurals
20100502 19:29:02< shadowmaster> I'm going afk for a snack ^^
20100502 19:29:03< FAAB> yeah, my english is quite weak :(
20100502 19:29:22< FAAB> ok, I am leaving for now, see you later
20100502 19:29:52< Soliton> Ivanovic: yes.
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20100502 20:42:41< CIA-10> eleazar * r42439 /trunk/ (19 files in 3 dirs): improved green grass terrain by me. step 1.
20100502 20:43:58< CIA-10> eleazar * r42440 /trunk/data/core/images/terrain/flat/ (6 files): improved green grass terrain by me. step 2. done for now. transitions are for later..
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20100502 21:10:59< CIA-10> shadowmaster * r42441 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Apply patch #1657 by FAAB - guided download of add-on dependencies
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20100502 21:23:12< YogiHH> hello
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20100502 21:33:07< mordante> hi YogiHH 
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20100502 21:57:17< mordante> I'm off night
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20100502 22:00:22< fendrin> hi YogiHH
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20100502 22:49:44< Crab_> fendrin: I've reworked LoW 1 to make it look less similar to HttT 1 (basically, by making the defeat of Wrulf or any one other orc leader mandatory"
20100502 22:50:09< CIA-10> crab * r42442 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/ (masks/01_Uprooting.mask scenarios/01_The_Uprooting.cfg): rework LoW 1 to make it less similar to HttT 1
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20100502 23:10:08< billynux> hi
20100502 23:10:14< Crab_> hi, billynux
20100502 23:10:28< billynux> hi Crab_ , how did the release go?
20100502 23:10:42< Crab_> hi, that's a question for Ivanovic :)
20100502 23:10:54< billynux> Ivanovic, hi, how about it?
20100502 23:11:00< Ivanovic> it is out
20100502 23:11:10< Ivanovic> no problems while releasing
20100502 23:11:39< billynux> good
20100502 23:12:18< billynux> quick question: I svn rm the upload_log files, but svn diff just cleaned them out (instead of deleting them). What did I do wrong?
20100502 23:14:04< loonycyborg> billynux: AFAIK cleaning them is the right way. According to patch's home page it has a heuristic to automatically delete empty files. Maybe it failed when I applied it.
20100502 23:14:25< loonycyborg> Or maybe it's because I've used git svn to commit it.
20100502 23:14:34< billynux> mm, ok
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20100502 23:56:04< rigved> hello everyone
20100502 23:56:11< Crab_> hi, rigved
20100502 23:56:14< billynux> hi rigved 
20100502 23:57:01< rigved> i would like to continue with the task of exposing the AI components in lua outside of GSoC
20100502 23:57:28< rigved> i did not have time to do it via GSoC due time retrictions
20100502 23:57:38< rigved> is this alright?
20100502 23:57:58< Crab_> rigved: yes, and I would be happy to see that project done
20100502 23:58:42< rigved> thank you
20100502 23:59:09< rigved> so you will mentor me then in this project?
20100502 23:59:58< Crab_> yes, that was our promise and we intend to honor it - if a student will want to go on with the project outside of gsoc, we will fully support him/her.
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