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20100506 03:17:20< CIA-10> espreon * r42495 /trunk/changelog: 'Fixed' a couple of corrupted characters.
20100506 03:18:19< CIA-10> espreon * r42496 /trunk/ (142 files in 37 dirs): 
20100506 03:18:19< CIA-10> Ran wesnoth-optipng:
20100506 03:18:19< CIA-10> Overall statistics (only for files with a smaller recompressed size):
20100506 03:18:19< CIA-10> Original size: 6167 KiB on 142 files
20100506 03:18:19< CIA-10> Optimized size: 6068 KiB
20100506 03:18:20< CIA-10> Total saving: 98 KiB = 1% decrease
20100506 03:32:15< CIA-10> eleazar * r42497 /trunk/data/core/images/terrain/water/ (60 files): fixed alignment issues with shallow water transitions.
20100506 03:39:08< CIA-10> espreon * r42498 /trunk/data/core/images/terrain/water/ (60 files): 
20100506 03:39:08< CIA-10> Ran wesnoth-optipng:
20100506 03:39:08< CIA-10> Overall statistics (only for files with a smaller recompressed size):
20100506 03:39:08< CIA-10> Original size: 201 KiB on 60 files
20100506 03:39:08< CIA-10> Optimized size: 52 KiB
20100506 03:39:09< CIA-10> Total saving: 148 KiB = 73% decrease
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20100506 05:16:22< CIA-10> eleazar * r42499 /trunk/ (19 files in 3 dirs): adding small stones and small mushrooms embellishments. Current terrain codes for them are provisional.
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20100506 06:00:45< CIA-10> esr * r42500 /trunk/data/core/music/transience.ogg: Fix typo reported in bug #15968: Typo in one of the soundtrack tags.
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20100506 06:10:31< FAAB> so I am a bit unsure about what happen to src/Makefile.am, could anyone check it ?
20100506 06:11:25< FAAB> I see rev 42443 and the source src/portrait.cpp in not in the list of source to compile
20100506 06:12:55< FAAB> I got a bit confused yesterday with a local copy but it really seems like there is a bug on http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/src/Makefile.am?rev=42443&r1=42431&r2=42443
20100506 06:14:12 * FAAB is making another local copy :/
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20100506 11:35:48< Soliton> Upthorn: see FAAB's comments. ^  looks like a bad merge.
20100506 11:36:34< Upthorn> Damn.
20100506 11:37:55 * Upthorn takes a diff from last version.
20100506 11:39:35< Soliton> i guess the problem is a missing merge of trunk into your branch before merging back.
20100506 11:42:07< Upthorn> how should I repair it?
20100506 11:43:00< Upthorn> given that there have been a number of revisions since the merge from my branch
20100506 11:45:12< Crab_> Upthorn: study the log of r42443 by hand, and see what went wrong
20100506 11:45:34< Crab_> then just reapply by hand. your branch was very small, it should be the simplest way
20100506 11:46:42< Crab_> e.g., take a look at http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/src/Makefile.am?rev=42443&view=diff&r1=42443&r2=42442&p1=trunk/src/Makefile.am&p2=/trunk/src/Makefile.am
20100506 11:49:09< Crab_> Upthorn: btw, the branch can be safely deleted, as it's merged
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20100506 11:58:05< Crab_> Upthorn: and yes, the problem was that your branch was half-synced with trunk, so it got silene's removal of portrait.cpp but not mordante's revert adding it back. IMO, for small and short-lived branches, it is generally better to not sync with trunk at all, to make sure that the branch contains only your changes. but if you do sync, you should do it fully.
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20100506 12:02:55< Upthorn> I'm not sure how to delete the branch, actually
20100506 12:02:56< CIA-10> upthorn * r42501 /trunk/src/Makefile.am: Correcting an error introduced due to merge from partially synced branch.
20100506 12:03:45< Upthorn> I don't have SVN command line client, and the last time I tried to download the official SVN command line client I had to follow a weird chain of links to a site that wanted me to register with a company name and address
20100506 12:07:41< Crab_> Upthorn: http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?folderID=8100
20100506 12:12:24< Crab_> Upthorn: note that the system was not smart enough to recognize r 42180 as 'a full merge from trunk into branch' (svn doesn't track merges properly) when searching for 'common origin' point when doing the 'merge from branch into trunk', so it considered that 'remove portrait.cpp' was part of your changes (but, actually, it was part of changes in trunk which were present in both your branch and trunk), so it wrongly merged it back.
20100506 12:13:08< CIA-10> upthorn * r42502 /branches/upthorn_persistence/: Garbage collection of branch that has been merged back into trunk.
20100506 12:14:03< Upthorn> I understand now
20100506 12:15:15< Crab_> Upthorn: so, in general, with svn, to port new changes from trunk to branch A, it's better to branch trunk to branch B, and then merge A on top of B (deleting A afterwards). that will ensure that the branch will be 'based' on the new version of trunk and will contain only 'your' changes.
20100506 12:15:48< Crab_> but, for short branches, it's better to merge them back at the first opportunity :)
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20100506 13:58:27< kevg> Hi to all.
20100506 13:59:19< kevg> Crab_: i've submitted a patch. https://gna.org/patch/?1665
20100506 13:59:56< Crab_> hi, kevg
20100506 14:00:32< Crab_> looking...
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20100506 14:03:40< Crab_> looks good, but, a few notes: use tabs for c++ indentation. use spaces for WML indentation. you can immediatly set scroll_to_leader to utils::string_bool(cfg["scroll_to_leader"], true)       in constructor init list.
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20100506 14:06:21< kevg> ok, i will fix.
20100506 14:06:41< Crab_> thanks
20100506 14:07:13< Crab_> and put a note in the patch page, something like 'patch for bug #15921'
20100506 14:07:50< Crab_> and in changelog, instead of ' Added key scroll_to_leader to side tag. ' say ' Added scroll_to_leader attribute to side tag. '
20100506 14:08:46< Crab_> and add a note in http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SideWML (mark it as a dev feature for 1.9, just like recall_cost does)
20100506 14:13:49< shadowmaster> (process:18431): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text()
20100506 14:13:52< shadowmaster> 20100506 08:12:54 error general: Invalid UTF-8 string: "A historical era thet represents the battles in Europe. Play with the arabic Kalifa, the treacherous Kedari, the noble Aragwaithi, the italian Ceresians, and the sea-wolves known as the V�ringjar"
20100506 14:14:07< shadowmaster> This is what happens when I check World War Era's description in the 1.8 add-ons server
20100506 14:14:23< shadowmaster> Wesnoth just plain crashes for mnewton1, though, according to a PM of his
20100506 14:15:15< Ivanovic> is he maybe using windows?
20100506 14:15:17< shadowmaster> maybe some Windows user can tell me what happens for them?
20100506 14:16:35< shadowmaster> it could indicate a bug in the Pango version shipped with that package, since Wesnoth seems to handle the error case just fine
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20100506 14:28:11< CIA-10> ai0867 * r42503 /branches/fendrin_pathfind/ (1523 files in 114 dirs): Merge trunk up to r42494
20100506 14:28:25< kevg> Crab_: done
20100506 14:28:26< Crab_> Ken_Oh: looked at the second version of the patch. ok, it's better. but still, 1) you've added extra whitespace after 'bool persistent;   ', please remove them 2) there are still spaces before 'bool get_scroll_to_leader()' declaration. 3)  there's still one tab in about.cfg
20100506 14:29:02< Crab_> and keep changelog entries less than 79 chars long. split that long line into two.
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20100506 14:30:09< Crab_> oops :) kevg ^
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20100506 14:43:51< kevg> Crab_: third try.
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20100506 14:45:25< Crab_> kevg: great! thanks, now it's complete. I'll commit it this evening (when I'll get back home)
20100506 14:46:50< kevg> Crab_: my first real commit :) Thank YOU for your help. I was very simple - you've done all work for me and i've just implemented.
20100506 14:47:21< Crab_> well, it's better to start with small things to get to know the code :)
20100506 14:48:32< kevg> I've looked just a little of code to complete this.
20100506 14:49:11< kevg> Tomorrow i'll be able to take next task.
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20100506 14:49:23< Crab_> that's good :)
20100506 14:50:25< kevg> Now i must leave. Bye.
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20100506 15:11:30< YogiHH> hello
20100506 15:16:27< CIA-10> ai0867 * r42504 /branches/fendrin_pathfind/ (208 files in 43 dirs): Merge trunk up to r42503
20100506 15:16:27< FAAB> Crab_: the bug fix on the AI configuration syntax works for me. Thanks a lot !
20100506 15:17:41< CIA-10> ai0867 * r42505 /branches/ (fendrin_editor/ fendrin_pathfind_and_editor/): Remove 'pathfind_and_' from branchname, as the pathfind changes have been split into fendrin_pathfind branch.
20100506 15:19:25< Crab_> FAAB: good :)
20100506 15:19:32< Crab_> as always, thanks for the test case
20100506 15:21:01< FAAB> Crab_: yesterday, you said you saw a way for my custom AI to be selected by default in the AI drop down list box
20100506 15:24:02< Crab_> FAAB: see src/multiplayer_connect.cpp lines 172  and 174
20100506 15:24:28< Crab_> it determines the default ai config for a given side, and then the init_ai_algorithm_combo sets the selected item in that dropdown box.
20100506 15:25:42< Crab_> so, when you add things from era to ai configuration, you should pass in an additional parameter naming the default ai for the era.
20100506 15:25:54< Crab_> then, you will be able to add a method to ai configuration to get that 'default' name
20100506 15:26:29< Crab_> which will return era-specified default, if it is set (or standard default rca ai otherwise)
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20100506 15:39:42< FAAB> Crab_: it is not like a method that works already, right ? I need to patch the C++ code.
20100506 15:40:29< Crab_> yes, you have to patch the C++ code
20100506 15:40:34< Crab_> a small patch it is.
20100506 15:40:50< FAAB> ok, now I understand
20100506 15:41:14< FAAB> would that work to get the AI to use when we droid a side too ?
20100506 15:41:55< Crab_> maybe.
20100506 15:42:35< Crab_> at least 'it can be easily coded that way'
20100506 15:42:58< FAAB> ok, I will work on that while you are getting a sun tan under the finnish sky ;)
20100506 15:43:29< Crab_> I think that it might work out of the box, just fix the first part and check
20100506 15:44:10< FAAB> I will, thanks for the help
20100506 15:45:00< Crab_> ah no, it won't work that way.
20100506 15:45:20< Crab_> you need to fix multiplayer_connect.cpp somewhere around line 666
20100506 15:45:40< Crab_> and around line 659
20100506 15:46:15< Crab_> as you see, the actual 'algorithm that is selected' is used (via  ai::configuration::get_ai_config_for(ai_algorithm_); ) only for computer players
20100506 15:48:05< Crab_> but you need to make sure that you don't interfere with the scenario config.
20100506 15:48:52< Crab_> so, you will not be able to change the ai of 'sides which don't allow players' that way, and it's by design.
20100506 15:49:11< FAAB> I see
20100506 15:49:34< FAAB> I will make the first step first
20100506 15:49:43< Crab_> but that approach will work for droiding human sides :)
20100506 15:49:57< Crab_> since they are with allow_player_=true
20100506 15:55:50 * FAAB is saving the log to use it after having read the code carefully
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20100506 16:45:44< CIA-10> ai0867 * r42506 /branches/fendrin_editor/ (1591 files in 119 dirs): Merge trunk up to r42503
20100506 16:46:04< shadowmaster> 4/45
20100506 16:53:01< AI0867> ?
20100506 16:53:19< shadowmaster> typo, ignore it
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20100506 17:19:59< shadowmaster> fendrin: hi
20100506 17:20:19< fendrin> shadowmaster: hi
20100506 17:20:30< fendrin> shadowmaster: Wait, I will do the music thing now.
20100506 17:20:31< shadowmaster> will you update northerners in trunk? :)
20100506 17:20:33< shadowmaster> k
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20100506 17:32:40< CIA-10> fendrin * r42507 /trunk/data/core/music/northerners.ogg: Removed old version of northerners.ogg.
20100506 17:33:16< shadowmaster> fendrin: uh.
20100506 17:33:32< CIA-10> fendrin * r42508 /trunk/data/core/music/northerners.ogg: SVN Copied the new version of northerners.ogg from branch 1.8 to trunk.
20100506 17:33:45< shadowmaster> you do realize that r42507 was unnecessary?
20100506 17:33:54< fendrin> shadowmaster: I use svn cp to save space. But svn cp doesn't overwrite existing files.
20100506 17:34:24< shadowmaster> ah well, UtBS's history is much more complicated than that anyway
20100506 17:34:58< fendrin> UtBS is related to northerners.ogg?
20100506 17:35:31< shadowmaster> no, but it's a prime example of convoluted SVN history last time git-svn went through a few branching points of it
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20100506 17:42:35< shadowmaster> for example, this would be Northeners' history:
20100506 17:42:48< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/history-northeners.png
20100506 17:43:00< shadowmaster> and this would be UtBS's http://shadowm.rewound.net/history-utbs.png
20100506 17:43:12< zookeeper> :P
20100506 17:43:19< shadowmaster> (points circled with green are updates/edits, points circled with red are deletions(
20100506 17:43:26< fendrin> shadowmaster: Nice :-)
20100506 17:46:24< CIA-10> fendrin * r42509 /trunk/ (changelog data/core/about.cfg players_changelog): Changelogs and Credits entries for new "Northerners" music track.
20100506 17:56:22< shadowmaster> IftU, on the other hand: http://shadowm.rewound.net/history-iftu.png
20100506 17:57:03< shadowmaster> yeah, I could have used Dia but I felt like drawing some crap.
20100506 17:57:11< zookeeper> the new northerners is my favourite new track in a rather long time.
20100506 18:07:38< shadowmaster> zookeeper: can you check if wesnoth crashes there if you try to check World War Era's description in the 1.8 server?
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20100506 18:18:41< shadowmaster> fendrin: when editing the changelog, please make Miscellaneous and bugfixes always the last section
20100506 18:19:03< shadowmaster> you inserted Music and sound fx after it
20100506 18:19:21< shadowmaster> in both changelogs even :(
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20100506 18:24:37< zookeeper> shadowmaster, sure...
20100506 18:25:44< zookeeper> shadowmaster, nope, doesn't.
20100506 18:26:13< zookeeper> (if it crashes for someone then i'd imagine it to be due to that funny character in vaeringar)
20100506 18:26:36< zookeeper> (which doesn't render right for me)
20100506 18:27:40< shadowmaster> yes
20100506 18:27:58< shadowmaster> it's an invalid UTF-8 sequence, to be specific
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20100506 18:39:36< shadowmaster> *grumble*
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20100506 18:45:50< Sapient> zookeeper: yeah, I like it too ... except for the waterphone which seems like it would be more of an Undead instrument ;)
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20100506 19:10:38< zookeeper> waterphone?
20100506 19:11:10< zookeeper> oh, right.
20100506 19:21:18< fendrin> shadowmaster: okay
20100506 19:21:29< fendrin> wesbot: seen timotei?
20100506 19:21:29< wesbot> fendrin: The person with the nick timotei 4h 53m ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message: Quit: Leaving
20100506 19:21:54< CIA-10> eleazar * r42510 /trunk/players_changelog: added in terrain improvements.
20100506 19:32:11< shadowmaster> freim: I assume you are the one who posted in the dev-ml with a *.no address?
20100506 19:32:54< freim> yes
20100506 19:33:03< shadowmaster> okay :)
20100506 19:33:33< freim> I will probably get flamed :)
20100506 19:33:49< stikonas> hmm, frogatto is almost playble on dual-core system with llvmpipe driver
20100506 19:34:08< shadowmaster> stikonas: english please! :P
20100506 19:34:40< shadowmaster> what's llvmpipe anyway? is that another name for an experimental gallium driver?
20100506 19:35:10< stikonas> it performs software rendering and is much faster thant the old software rendering
20100506 19:35:16< freim> software emulation
20100506 19:36:17< shadowmaster> awww
20100506 19:36:23< shadowmaster> er, I mean, ahhh
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20100506 20:07:44< gabba> bonjour
20100506 20:08:08< shadowmaster> hi there
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20100506 20:14:17< gabba> hi shadowmaster
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20100506 21:11:35< Lastmerlin> I will do some ruthless advertising now - I hope you dont mind :)
20100506 21:11:35< Lastmerlin> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=29884
20100506 21:11:50< Lastmerlin> and thank you all for the help during the last days
20100506 21:12:05< Lastmerlin> I think it was quite a few members I asked various things
20100506 21:13:42< zookeeper> who's greg boggs (from the dev ml)?
20100506 21:14:38< zookeeper> was he that one random guy who doesn't have anything else to do with wesnoth besides posting on the dev ml, or someone else?
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20100506 21:21:25< freim> zookeeper: anyhow, he's right. Trying to paint $5000 as something people should not view as a monetary incentive is just incredible naive
20100506 21:21:41< freim> this will open a can of worms
20100506 21:28:01< zookeeper> i'd say it's just very dependant on who it's given to
20100506 21:28:19< thespaceinvader> freim: speaking as one of the people concerned: I want to contribute to wesnoth, particularly working on the long, slow, fairly dull things like large scale animating.  But I have to eat.  Being able to work on Wesnoth full time, even for a short time, woudl be brilliant - it's work i know i can do, i know will be useful, and can tide me over whilst i'm searching for full time employment. ...
20100506 21:28:20< thespaceinvader> ...It's no more a can of worms than GSoC or the previous summer art scholarship that ran last year
20100506 21:29:15< freim> and I say doing this without a clear framework and defined tasks will look like handing out money at random for something not even known
20100506 21:29:30< freim> and that will piss people off no matter how noble the intention
20100506 21:29:52< freim> thespaceinvader: I'm sceptical at the way of doing it, not the motives of whoever will receive it
20100506 21:29:55< thespaceinvader> as last year, i would intend for there to be a defined set of goals and tasks to accomplish, with a defined time frame
20100506 21:30:17< thespaceinvader> for my own edification and to give me deadlines to work to, if nothign else
20100506 21:31:16< zookeeper> my biggest concern (i'm not sure how big it is) is pretty much what such a grant would do for the motivation of the _other_ developers/contributors
20100506 21:31:41< thespaceinvader> zookeeper: i know i've connected greg boggs with a forum username in the past on the ML - I;m trying to find who it is, but i fear i may have deleted the email concerned
20100506 21:32:07< freim> zookeeper: indeed, that is why I think it should be well defined and not as sirp is describing it in his mails which to me sound way to random
20100506 21:32:25< thespaceinvader> zookeeper: i'd share that concern, to some extent
20100506 21:32:27< freim> if it is well defined I don't think many will react in a negative way
20100506 21:32:59< thespaceinvader> and no, i did delete the email, that's mildly irksome
20100506 21:33:10< thespaceinvader> as with last summer, again
20100506 21:33:11< zookeeper> personally i'd also suggest at least some level of definition of tasks in advance
20100506 21:33:39< thespaceinvader> i think that's an effective model to work to - the only problem for me was working with a slightly over-ambitious timetable, and one a bunch of base frames which weren;t finished at the start
20100506 21:33:48< zookeeper> can be more relaxed than with SoC perhaps, but at least a general tasklist of things that ought to get done
20100506 21:33:57< thespaceinvader> yeah, i think that would be good
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20100506 21:55:38< CIA-10> crab * r42511 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Add scroll_to_leader attribute to side tag, to control start-of-turn scroll to leader. Default value is 'yes' (bug #15921). Patch #1665 by kevg.
20100506 22:00:19< zookeeper> yay, good feature
20100506 22:04:08< Crab_> yes, one of the FRs recently submitted by Bob the Mighty
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20100506 22:07:29< YogiHH> thespaceinvader: People tend to forget that a timetable is based on an *estimation* of work units. It is therefore not a shame if you get late on something, it should be possible to either adapt the schedule or the work to be done.
20100506 22:08:09< thespaceinvader> true, very true YogiHH 
20100506 22:09:48< YogiHH> thespaceinvader: For coders, this might be just a little different. I visited an event about that topic lately and the guy doing it rightly said: "It's not a problem that are estimates deviate from the facts. It's a problem that they always deviate in the same direction!"
20100506 22:10:03< thespaceinvader> aheh   
20100506 22:10:08< thespaceinvader> also very true
20100506 22:10:34< thespaceinvader> the trouble with estimates is that they usually assume everything going perfectly smoothly
20100506 22:10:49< thespaceinvader> and i can't see anything ever going smoothly
20100506 22:11:18< YogiHH> correct, it's the same with coding. But your estimates get better over time if you take them seriously
20100506 22:12:09< freim> YogiHH: heh, so true :)
20100506 22:14:09< freim> I remember once I sent out an email about a 5min downtime on the network. It involved swapping two network cables. True a series of bizarre events it turned into a 5 hour downtime where I had to grab some hardware and install a new firewall
20100506 22:14:19< freim> served me right for sending out that email I guess
20100506 22:15:15< freim> trough*
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20100506 23:41:04< Ivanovic> esr: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?15996
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20100506 23:55:49< esr> Ivanovic: I think his diagnosis is correct, it's due to the difference in path separators.  But I can't fix it; it will take a Windows dev to do that.
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