--- Log opened Fri May 21 00:00:06 2010
20100521 00:01:24< CIA-10> espreon * r42752 /trunk/data/campaigns/Liberty/images/units/undead-skeletal/ (3 files): 
20100521 00:01:24< CIA-10> Ran wesnoth-optipng:
20100521 00:01:24< CIA-10> Overall statistics (only for files with a smaller recompressed size):
20100521 00:01:24< CIA-10> Original size: 9 KiB on 3 files
20100521 00:01:24< CIA-10> Optimized size: 4 KiB
20100521 00:01:25< CIA-10> Total saving: 4 KiB = 52% decrease
20100521 00:01:38< CIA-10> espreon * r42753 /trunk/data/campaigns/Liberty/images/units/undead-skeletal/ (4 files): Ran umcpropfix.
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20100521 01:56:06< shadowmaster> http://stats.wesnoth.org/ gives a 404
20100521 01:56:21< shadowmaster> I was looking for copyright notices needing updating anyway
20100521 02:00:41< Espreon> shadowmaster: /trunk/copyright
20100521 02:01:56< shadowmaster> I blame mordante
20100521 02:02:56< Espreon> So do I.
20100521 02:03:10< Espreon> ... and I did tell him about /trunk/copyright...
20100521 02:03:53< shadowmaster> fixing it later, bandwidth is used up by something else
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20100521 02:25:07< CIA-10> shadowmaster * r42754 /trunk/copyright: Mordante's New Year copyright update didn't hit this file as it should
20100521 02:26:24< CIA-10> shadowmaster * r42755 /branches/1.8/copyright: Mordante's New Year copyright update didn't hit this file as it should
20100521 02:26:38< shadowmaster> Espreon: done
20100521 02:27:05< shadowmaster> fixing gettext.wesnoth.org's (which says 2003-2008) is left as an excercise for the reader.
20100521 02:30:16< Espreon> Excellent.
20100521 02:42:51< crimson_penguin> shadowmaster: What should it say? I guess I'm the maintainer of it somehow :P
20100521 02:43:33 * Espreon rolls his eyes
20100521 02:43:50< crimson_penguin> 2003-2010?
20100521 02:43:55< Espreon> Jeß.
20100521 02:45:26< CIA-10> crimson_penguin * r42756 /website/gettext.wesnoth.org/ (index.extra.php index.lang.php index.php): Updated copyrights.
20100521 02:45:39< crimson_penguin> that's not as responsive as Frogatto's notifications ;)
20100521 02:46:10< Espreon> It matters not.
20100521 02:47:15< crimson_penguin> It's pretty neat to have it super fast though - you just need to set up a script to notify CIA immediately
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20100521 03:02:33< ancestral> http://www.wired.com/underwire/2010/05/gallery-best-trilogy-films/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wired%2Findex+%28Wired%3A+Index+3+%28Top+Stories+2%29%29
20100521 03:02:42< ancestral> blech
20100521 03:02:50< ancestral> Sorry, wrong room again XD
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20100521 04:11:51< AI0867> timotei: I see you're calling run() rather than start() on a thread in ExternalToolInvoker.java:59, which makes using a thread rather pointless
20100521 04:12:48< AI0867> making that change makes the rest of that method undefined though (does the thread create process_ before the next statements try to use it?)
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20100521 09:17:14< Ivanovic> moin
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20100521 11:05:00< Soliton> elias: http://yourpaste.net/5452  had a chance to look at that yet?
20100521 11:06:11< elias> can't seem to reproduce
20100521 11:06:59< elias> i downloaded all eras but it hits other errors before seeing this one
20100521 11:07:08< elias> trying to see if i can fix those
20100521 11:08:05< Soliton> i have a couple of add-ons blacklisted.
20100521 11:12:32< Soliton> actually just ageless era for 1.8.
20100521 11:12:42< elias> yeah, i can reproduce it without ageless
20100521 11:12:56< elias> can't see what's wrong in ageless era though
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20100521 11:13:37< Soliton> what does the error say?
20100521 11:13:52< Soliton> not sure i looked much into it a while back though.
20100521 11:14:01< elias> something about mismatched tags, but they aren't
20100521 11:14:46< Soliton> ah, i think it was a wrong macro usage.
20100521 11:14:56< Soliton> some sound thingy iirc.
20100521 11:15:24< CIA-87> elias * r42757 /branches/1.8/data/tools/unit_tree/helpers.py: [wmlunits] fixed error message encoding
20100521 11:16:20< Soliton> did you forward port your recent fixes also to trunk, btw?
20100521 11:16:38< CIA-87> elias * r42758 /trunk/data/tools/unit_tree/helpers.py: [wmlunits] fixed error message encoding (ported from 1.8 branch)
20100521 11:16:39< elias> yeah, just did "svn merge"
20100521 11:16:49< Soliton> excellent.
20100521 11:30:13< Soliton> i now get an error on era of the future.
20100521 11:30:29< Soliton> looks like the names.cfg has a BOM which might be the problem.
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20100521 11:42:33 * Soliton adds some more broken addons to the blacklist...
20100521 11:55:58< Soliton> elias: there seems to be an issue with empty macro arguments () being passed through properly. issue reproducable with TCG.
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20100521 12:36:21< YogiHH> hello
20100521 12:42:41< Ivanovic> hi YogiHH
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20100521 14:02:00< elias> Soliton: what is TCG?
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20100521 14:14:09< Soliton> elias: an addon
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20100521 14:17:28< Soliton> elias: there is a macro call with one empty argument which in turn calls another macro with that empty argument.
20100521 14:17:48< elias> i see
20100521 14:18:09< Soliton> and the wmlparser thinks the second invocation has an argument missing.
20100521 14:19:33< Soliton> there were also issues seemingly with SPECIAL_NOTES macros in a couple of addons where i couldn't see an obvious error in the WML.
20100521 14:21:07< Soliton> blacklisted addons: Ageless_Era Era_of_the_Future Path_of_Summoners_Era Ranged_Era TCG Worldwar mercenaries
20100521 14:21:20< boucman> hey all
20100521 14:21:45< Soliton> at least on of those was looked really broken though.
20100521 14:21:54< Soliton> s/was//
20100521 14:22:04< elias> hm, i guess there is no formal grammar of WML anywhere
20100521 14:22:40< Soliton> () are quotes for macro arguments.
20100521 14:25:16< Soliton> doesn't look like that is explained on http://wiki.wesnoth.org/PreprocessorRef
20100521 14:27:10< Soliton> well, it's mentioned there.
20100521 14:32:31< FAAB> what happen to a blacklisted add-on ?
20100521 14:33:00< Soliton> it dies a painful death.
20100521 14:33:11< elias> is it possible to use the C++ parse without starting the game?
20100521 14:33:14< Soliton> also it's not displayed at units.wesnoth.org
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20100521 14:33:35< Soliton> elias: there is a new --preprocess option.
20100521 14:33:54< elias> so the python tools could call that first?
20100521 14:34:16< Soliton> it's supposed to be useful for external tools afaict, yeah.
20100521 14:34:23< elias> nice
20100521 14:34:42< elias> are there plans to add an option for XML or json or yaml or similar conversion as well?
20100521 14:34:49< Soliton> it was implemented for some eclipse WML editor plugin thingy.
20100521 14:34:53< elias> that would make things easy
20100521 14:35:17< Soliton> probably need to ask timotei about that.
20100521 14:35:25< Soliton> or fendrin.
20100521 14:35:39< elias> i guess i should do that before trying to fix the python parser...
20100521 14:35:45< fendrin> jo
20100521 14:35:51< elias> lots of work and i likely can't keep up maintaining it anyway :P
20100521 14:36:27< Soliton> yeah, there already been other preprocessor changes as well.
20100521 14:37:31< elias> fendrin: is it possible/are there plans to add some standard output (XML/json/yaml/...) of WML files to the C++ parser?
20100521 14:37:40< FAAB> do you guys know that the current version of Ageless Era succeeded at introducing OOs when playing default ?
20100521 14:38:21< zookeeper> FAAB, i thought its new version fixed it
20100521 14:39:36< fendrin> elias: hmmm, the new commandline arguments timotei introduced can be used to print macro expanded wml code to stdout.
20100521 14:39:54< fendrin> But there is no plan to wrap the wml inside xml or similar.
20100521 14:40:23< elias> i see
20100521 14:40:43< elias> i'll try replacing the python wml preprocessor with a call to wesnoth then
20100521 14:41:09 * FAAB is downloading 32 MB to test
20100521 14:41:28< fendrin> elias: That is a good idea. But we can also talk about thw wml/json/yaml thing. 
20100521 14:41:41< FAAB> zookeeper: I have seen the OOs very recently while there is no new version
20100521 14:41:53< zookeeper> FAAB, ok, maybe he didn't fix it then
20100521 14:42:05< zookeeper> in its thread he said he fixed in, like on may 7th or so
20100521 14:42:10< elias> fendrin: in those cases the python could be reduced to a single line as those formats are implemented :)
20100521 14:42:24 * zookeeper doesn't really care to check
20100521 14:42:41< fendrin> yeah, that would also ease the eclipse plugin coding somehow.
20100521 14:42:59< fendrin> elias: I suggest that we wait for timotei and crab to discuss this. 
20100521 14:44:30< elias> but preprocessor is the important step anyway
20100521 14:45:22< elias> hm, wiki search for "preprocess" finds nothing... guess this isn't documented yet
20100521 14:46:53< FAAB> zookeeper: now reading the thread, I think he means that is fixed on his hard drive
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20100521 14:47:11< Soliton> elias: it's in the man page.
20100521 14:47:28< FAAB> not sure if he tested it though, so that might be fixed in the next release
20100521 14:48:06< Soliton> elias: not sure how stable the interface is so far though.
20100521 14:51:25< zookeeper> umm...where do i see all the accepted SoC students and their projects? i can't seem to find any list
20100521 14:53:13< FAAB> so, the OOS in default when Ageless era is installed is still there in the last version 
20100521 14:53:29< FAAB> it doesn't prevent continuing the game though
20100521 14:54:06< elias> hm, the man page says: --preprocess, -p[=<define1>,<define2>,...] <file/folder> <target directory>
20100521 14:54:20< Soliton> zookeeper: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Category:Summer_of_Code
20100521 14:54:29< elias> but if I try: wesnoth --preprocess MULTIPLAYER test.cfg test_out
20100521 14:54:31< elias> nothing happens
20100521 14:54:38< Soliton> using trunk?
20100521 14:54:38< elias> no error message but also no output
20100521 14:54:44< elias> yes
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20100521 14:55:42< Soliton> fendrin: ^
20100521 14:56:58< zookeeper> Soliton, so there's no such list? urgh
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20100521 14:59:42< zookeeper> ok, well, i just dug the names from my irc logs, nevermind
20100521 15:01:55< elias> if (val.find("--preprocess=") == 0)
20100521 15:02:06< elias> ^ i think that = after preprocess contradicts the man page :P
20100521 15:02:36< elias> anyway, works with --progress=
20100521 15:03:00< elias> er, --preprocess=
20100521 15:04:36< Soliton> should have given an unknown option error then though.
20100521 15:04:56< elias> it checks for both
20100521 15:05:10< elias> } else if (val.find("--preprocess") == 0 || val.find("-p") == 0){
20100521 15:05:22< elias> then inside it checks again but with the =, so the one without = gets ignored
20100521 15:06:43< elias> can i change the config path to something outside my home dir?
20100521 15:16:16< elias> http://paste.debian.net/74230/
20100521 15:16:20< elias> what am I doing wrong?
20100521 15:16:28< fendrin> Soliton: I am not sure which syntax timotei implemented.
20100521 15:16:43< fendrin> Soliton: I think you need to pass a valid campaign id.
20100521 15:16:57< Crab_> elias: wesnoth preprocessor throws an error upon preprocessing that data
20100521 15:17:21< Crab_> seems that it references some macro, which is not included when --preprocess runs
20100521 15:17:27< Crab_> lets find from where it is
20100521 15:18:14< Crab_> it's not in data/core/macros (which is included by --preprocess)
20100521 15:18:15< elias> i see, i can work around that by writing a short .cfg which first includes the main cfg
20100521 15:18:38< Crab_> ah, it is in /data/core/terrain-graphics/util.cfg
20100521 15:19:56< Crab_> the correct solution is to make --preprocess include it, of course. but, many different workarounds are possible.
20100521 15:21:14< Crab_> elias: try http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/s8AGheC2
20100521 15:22:14< Soliton> someone please fix that option parsing error. preferably by allowing = or space(s).
20100521 15:22:54< Crab_> we cannot simply allow spaces.
20100521 15:23:24< Crab_> as the list of defines is optional
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20100521 15:23:41< fendrin> Soliton, Crab_, elias: Please talk to timotei about this issues. It is his work and he should find a solution.
20100521 15:24:12< Crab_> 'fix the documentation to make it clear that if defines are wanted, = is required', I'd say
20100521 15:25:08< Soliton> ah, ok.
20100521 15:26:47< CIA-87> crab * r42759 /trunk/src/game.cpp: let --preprocess include entire data/core
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20100521 15:37:57< elias> Crab_: thanks, works now
20100521 15:38:05< Crab_> good
20100521 15:40:21< elias> Soliton: do you know what things besides wmlunits and addon_manager use the python parser?
20100521 15:41:34< elias> hm, or doesn't matter... i guess best will be to leave the current parser for now instead of making it depend on a wesnoth binary
20100521 15:41:48< elias> and just make wmlunits use the new one first
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20100521 15:54:06< Ivanovic> Soliton: so soon we need the whole game on wesnoth.org, not just the server?
20100521 15:54:53< Ivanovic> or do you know if timotei implemented some "parser only" compile target? (not requiring sdl-image, sdl-ttf, pango, sdl-net and the likes)
20100521 15:55:58< Crab_> Ivanovic: no, no 'parser only' compile target was done
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20100521 15:58:18< timotei> hello
20100521 16:01:08< Crab_> hi, timotei
20100521 16:01:11< timotei> hi Crab_
20100521 16:01:13< timotei> just read the logs
20100521 16:01:21< timotei> brb 5 mins, food
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20100521 16:01:36< Crab_> timotei: ok, so your --help message was slightly misunderstood and can be improved.
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20100521 16:06:21< timotei> Crab_: yes
20100521 16:06:25< timotei> I'll fix it
20100521 16:06:52< timotei> I'm glad somebody else, not only me, uses that new commandline :D
20100521 16:07:00< Crab_> :)
20100521 16:07:12< Crab_> if you document it on the wiki, even more will :))
20100521 16:07:18< timotei> yes, I'll do that
20100521 16:07:28< timotei> right now, I'm trying to "fix" the basic installing of the plugin
20100521 16:07:30< timotei> :D
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20100521 16:09:10< timotei> Crab_: is ok to add here: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/PreprocessorRef , info about that command?
20100521 16:09:25< Crab_> yes
20100521 16:09:33< Crab_> mark as a developer feature for 1.9
20100521 16:09:47< timotei> and that would be? a special keyword?
20100521 16:09:50< timotei> or just text?
20100521 16:12:32< Crab_> a template reference
20100521 16:12:44< timotei> okey
20100521 16:12:46< Crab_> see http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Template:DevFeature1.9
20100521 16:12:56< timotei> thanks
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20100521 16:21:59< Soliton> Ivanovic: yeah, looks like.
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20100521 16:29:29< elias> Soliton: are the addons in a folder find-able with the wesnoth --config-dir option?
20100521 16:30:24< Soliton> elias: on wesnoth.org? if we set it up that way..?
20100521 16:30:44< elias> heh, true
20100521 16:31:10< elias> was wondering if it would be better to add another option to specify an arbitrary path instead of having to change the location
20100521 16:31:37< Soliton> that would be nice, yes.
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20100521 16:54:40< elias> timotei: if you read this... what's the purpose of .plain files?
20100521 16:55:14< elias> since wmlunits supports translation i feel i should use the .plain files, but they seem to be in some custom binary format
20100521 16:56:54< Crab_> elias: their purpose is to have additional debug information about origin of config pieces, to be used by tools like wmllint which need original locations and macro stack traces
20100521 16:57:34< Crab_> elias: also, .plain tracks textdomain changes
20100521 16:57:56< elias> yeah
20100521 16:58:23< Crab_> basically, you can treat plain as 'wml with comments'
20100521 16:58:32< elias> without knowing about those changes i could check a few standard domains like "wesnoth" so not a huge problem I think
20100521 16:59:21< Crab_> a comment starts with that strange symbol and lasts until end of line
20100521 16:59:30< elias> i see
20100521 16:59:34< elias> and includes the end of line
20100521 16:59:38< Crab_> yes
20100521 16:59:52< elias> so there can be multiple ones within a single source line... ok, that's the only thing I wasn't sure about
20100521 16:59:53< Crab_> so, you can filter them out if you only need textdomain comments
20100521 17:00:00< Crab_> yes, they can
20100521 17:00:06< Crab_> in fact, that happens quite often
20100521 17:00:24< elias> heh, yeah, and it was a pain to get working in the python preprocessor :P
20100521 17:00:28< elias> in fact, probably never fully did
20100521 17:01:17< Crab_> yes, the only thing which is compatible to wesnoth's preprocessor is wesnoth's preprocessor.
20100521 17:01:29< elias> :)
20100521 17:02:41< elias> like google's VP8 specification which supposedly specifies many parts simply by copy&pasting C code from the reference implementation
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20100521 20:12:14< CIA-87> timotei * r42761 /trunk/ (doc/man/wesnoth.6 src/game.cpp): 
20100521 20:12:14< CIA-87> eclipse plugin: some clarifications regarding
20100521 20:12:14< CIA-87> "preprocess" commandline
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20100521 20:58:16< shadowmaster> crimson_penguin: Gna already uses a script to do fast CIA notifications
20100521 20:58:22< shadowmaster> the problem is that Gna itself is slow
20100521 20:58:43< crimson_penguin> thought that was probably the case, since it was only a little slow
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20100521 21:19:25< Valkier> So when is Android getting Wesnoth? ;-)
20100521 21:22:14< shadowmaster> when some poor soul decides to start the fork
20100521 21:22:58< Valkier> Now tell me that again, but pretend I'm an idiot.
20100521 21:23:20< Valkier> Or don't pretend.. It's really all the same.
20100521 21:24:07< shadowmaster> whensome poor soul decides to make an Android version.
20100521 21:25:15< Valkier> Hurray!
20100521 21:27:38< boucman> Valkier: are you volunteering yourself ?
20100521 21:28:35< Valkier> Boucman: I don't know the first thing about coding.
20100521 21:28:46< boucman> k
20100521 22:00:49< k23z__> anyone here interested in Galois theory and implementing it ?
20100521 22:01:07< boucman> what is that ?
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20100521 23:38:20< boucman> what's the new wiki template for dev features (1.9) I can only find instances of the old one...
20100521 23:38:31< shadowmaster> {{DevFeature}} ?
20100521 23:38:46< boucman> I thought there was a new one specifically for 1.9
20100521 23:38:54< Espreon> There is.
20100521 23:39:23< boucman> {{DevFeature1.9}} got it
20100521 23:39:24< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn would probably know if he actually maintained the ReferenceWML section
20100521 23:39:38< Ivanovic> boucman: try {{DevFeature1.9}}
20100521 23:39:40< Ivanovic> okay, too late...
20100521 23:39:41< shadowmaster> I can't blame him, it's horrible
20100521 23:39:56< Espreon> What is?
20100521 23:40:15< Ivanovic> ah, soon i might finally get my pandora
20100521 23:40:22< shadowmaster> ReferenceWML and all the WML reference articles
20100521 23:40:29< Espreon> Ah, jeß jeß.
20100521 23:40:43< Ivanovic> they are currently starting assembly of the first (at least) 700 (got cases for 1000, not sure if they already got >=700 boards)
20100521 23:40:51< Ivanovic> the first ~50 are already shipped
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20100521 23:44:24< CIA-87> boucman * r42762 /trunk/src/unit_animation.cpp: add 'base_score' to unconditionnaly tweak animation scores
20100521 23:47:04< Ivanovic> i should be approximatly at position 500 of the worldwide cue (ordered in the german shop like about 17.5% of all people preordering the pandora and there i should be roughly at position 90)
20100521 23:47:26< Ivanovic> so maybe i'll get my pandora in some two or three weeks
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