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20100531 00:57:30< CIA-86> upthorn * r43063 /trunk/src/ (persist_context.cpp persist_context.hpp): Feels kind of hackish, but persist_context now performs proper garbage collection.
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20100531 01:44:45< AI0867> Upthorn: I haven't read the design, but are you sure a child should delete its parent?
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20100531 02:01:51< Upth> AI0867: absolutely.
20100531 02:02:49< Upth> constructing a persist_context with namespace = whatever.foo.bar, will construct bar, which creates its parent foo, which creates its parent whatever
20100531 02:03:29< Upth> and when the bar node goes out of scope, whatever and foo need to be collected or memory will leak
20100531 02:04:04< AI0867> so, if I create something with namespace whatever.baz.quux at the same time, they won't share the same whatever?
20100531 02:04:39< Upth> ideally they should but that structure is not currently in place.
20100531 02:06:22< Upth> right now it is very wasteful and a persist_context is created and destroyed for each [*_global_variable] tag
20100531 02:06:33< Upth> the whole thing will change when I get a persistence_manager setup, but for the moment at least it won't be leaking memory.
20100531 02:06:41< AI0867> okay then
20100531 02:07:56< Upth> at that time construction will also be changed to occur from the top parent down, rather than from one arbitrary node
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20100531 02:25:12< CIA-86> ai0867 * r43064 /trunk/ (data/scenario-test.cfg src/game_events.cpp): Add skip_steps key to [move_units_fake]
20100531 02:25:21< CIA-86> ai0867 * r43065 /trunk/changelog: Add [move_units_fake] to changelog
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20100531 02:31:41< shadowm_laptop> why did jb have to choose hydrairc?
20100531 02:32:12< shadowm_laptop> AI0867: what does move_units_fake do?
20100531 02:32:46< AI0867> it moves multiple units in lockstep
20100531 02:32:53< AI0867> so you can do formation movement
20100531 02:33:19< AI0867> it's documented on the wiki and used in the test scenario
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20100531 02:54:15< Upthorn> that seems like an odd name for that. I would expect it to show units moving, but not actually move them
20100531 02:55:45< Espreon> Uh, it doesn't.
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20100531 03:02:31< AI0867> silene: there was a use of "on" in the test scenario that your changes broke. Also, some authors (especially those that have once used C) use 1/0 for boolean values, while anything but yes/no/false/true is not considered a boolean now, and uses the default instead
20100531 03:04:05< shadowm_laptop> WMLLINT CAN DO IT
20100531 03:04:40< shadowm_laptop> (that's the universal excuse for breaking things - no idea if there are wmllint rules for the trunk changes already)
20100531 03:05:26< AI0867> it doesn't, though
20100531 03:05:54< shadowm_laptop> I agree that the worst crime any WML author can commit is using wmllint
20100531 03:05:55 * shadowm_laptop hides
20100531 03:05:57< AI0867> silene also claimed that on/off were unused, which I've just proven wrong
20100531 03:06:10< shadowm_laptop> ah wait, there's no esr
20100531 03:06:20< shadowm_laptop> I can voice my opinion on the matter freely
20100531 03:15:17< Espreon> silene: If you haven't already, please break 0/1.
20100531 03:17:03< shadowm_laptop> Espreon: NO
20100531 03:17:16< shadowm_laptop> I mean, ... why?
20100531 03:18:03< Espreon> I hate seeing them.
20100531 03:19:09< shadowm_laptop> okay, so since I hate seeing wmllint I should svn rm data/tools/wmllint ?
20100531 03:19:11< shadowm_laptop> no
20100531 03:19:56< Espreon> wmllint's existence is warranted.
20100531 03:22:10< Espreon> Sure, it may suck, but, yeahz.
20100531 03:49:13< CIA-86> ai0867 * r43066 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: Don't ask the animation engine to march a unit in place, just skip its turn
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20100531 06:48:15< crimson_penguin> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=121951 - I deleted a spam post by this user; not quite sure what to do with the account
20100531 06:49:27< shadowmaster> wait
20100531 06:49:48< shadowmaster> crimson_penguin: you normally move the first spam post to moderators
20100531 06:49:52< shadowmaster> and delete the rest
20100531 06:50:16< shadowmaster> I'll take your word that it was a spam post and ban it, but if it wasn't then I'll blame you via forums@wesnoth.org
20100531 06:50:19< shadowmaster> :P
20100531 06:50:25< crimson_penguin> haha, k
20100531 06:50:42< crimson_penguin> it totally was spam though; links to .exe's about removing DRM from video files
20100531 06:51:14< crimson_penguin> it wasn't your usual spam; somewhat legitimate looking, but... totally spam, and nothing to do with Wesnoth regardless
20100531 06:56:05< silene> AI0867: no, my claim was only that "off" was unused, so you haven't proved it wrong yet; as for the other values, i'm not quite sure what to do; ideally, i would like to take advantage of a new development cycle beginning to make wml stricter about which inputs it accepts
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20100531 07:00:26< Espreon> silene: Please kill 0/1.
20100531 07:03:51 * Espreon is being serious
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20100531 07:42:39< CIA-86> silene * r43068 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_South_Guard/scenarios/02_Proven_By_The_Sword.cfg: Removed useless status 'ambush'.
20100531 07:42:46< CIA-86> silene * r43067 /trunk/data/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Replaced all occurrences of 'on' by 'yes'. (2 in campaigns, 2 in mp maps.)
20100531 07:53:19 * Espreon wonders if the ability to give "heals=" in [terrain_type] a boolean was ever removed, as it was supposed to be
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20100531 08:07:34< Espreon> Goodbyez.
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20100531 08:50:45< Rhonda> ~/ I want my 1.8.2 ~/  . o O ( sung to the tune of Money for Nothing/Dire Straits )
20100531 08:58:00< Espreon> Uh, OK...
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20100531 09:07:37< silene> Espreon: i don't know when it was removed, but it isn't in 1.8
20100531 09:08:10< silene> (it isn't present in 1.8, i mean)
20100531 09:08:48< Espreon> Good.
20100531 09:09:07< Espreon> silene: But, what about removing 1/0?
20100531 09:09:25< silene> Espreon: currently, it isn't supported in trunk
20100531 09:09:45< zookeeper> Ivanovic, you're planning on tagging at the usual time, >8h from now?
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20100531 10:18:43< Ivanovic> moin
20100531 10:19:05< Ivanovic> zookeeper: exactly
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20100531 10:55:58< kevg> hello
20100531 10:56:05< Crab_> hi, kevg
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20100531 12:16:09< CIA-86> ivanovic * r43069 /trunk/po/wesnoth-utbs/ja.po: updated Japanese translation
20100531 12:16:12< CIA-86> ivanovic * r43070 /branches/1.8/po/wesnoth-utbs/ja.po: updated Japanese translation
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20100531 12:29:54< CIA-86> ivanovic * r43071 /branches/1.8/ (changelog players_changelog): add silenes fix from r43058 to the changelog
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20100531 14:28:55< shadowmaster> HAHAHA
20100531 14:28:57< shadowmaster> HAHA
20100531 14:29:01< shadowmaster> HA. HA. HA.
20100531 14:29:10< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=431451#p431451
20100531 14:29:59< shadowmaster> what do you think?
20100531 14:30:33< zookeeper> "if no one sues, who cares?"
20100531 14:30:34< shadowmaster> ideas? (quickly, before I run out of battery)
20100531 14:30:44< shadowmaster> that idiot is obviously pretending to be RMS
20100531 14:31:25< shadowmaster> RMS would most likely not use a Gmail address for that
20100531 14:31:27< shadowmaster> what do you say, ban?
20100531 14:37:57< shadowmaster> bah.
20100531 14:37:58< shadowmaster> let's see
20100531 14:44:34< Rhonda> wait a moment
20100531 14:45:48< Rhonda> shadowmaster: Yes, it's clear that it's not the real RMS. The point, even though weak, might be valid still. But it's our right to ignore it given that we are the authors.
20100531 14:49:07< Rhonda> shadowmaster: Actually, as it's a sole new thread, I would even go as far and delete it. Isn't there a forum guideline that this goes against, with respect to imposing being someone else and stuff?
20100531 14:51:47< Rhonda> shadowmaster: I guess it would be best to tell Kyle to do something similar to what Tyrian does, as mentioned in here: http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/05/fsf-apples-itunes-store-terms-of-service-at-odds-with-gpl.ars
20100531 14:52:12< Rhonda> This will definitely mitigate the issue for him/us and gets the heat down.
20100531 14:52:49< Rhonda> It's not necessarily our fight field and we can keep it out easily by making it clear through such an action.
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20100531 15:29:56< Ivanovic> zookeeper: so are you ready for 1.8.2 or do you have anything left that is to be done?
20100531 15:30:28< Rhonda> gimmegimmegimmegimme!
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20100531 15:31:02< Ivanovic> Rhonda: still about 3h to go
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20100531 15:33:45< zookeeper> Ivanovic, no, i don't think i have anything pending
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20100531 15:34:18< Ivanovic> zookeeper: because you asked this morning how much time would be left
20100531 15:34:42< zookeeper> Ivanovic, yeah, but i wasn't sure then if there was anything that i still wanted to do :P
20100531 15:34:49< Ivanovic> ah, okay
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20100531 15:39:22< zookeeper> well, there's one thing only...
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20100531 15:52:24< CIA-86> zookeeper * r43072 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Made 'A Small Favor' (part 1) give an early finish bonus. Fixes bug #15912.
20100531 15:53:04< zookeeper> well, maybe i'll commit some rebalancing for valley of trolls before time's up too, but not right now.
20100531 15:54:11< zookeeper> svn update is too slow, i'll commit the porting later.
20100531 16:07:46< Soliton> are integer $variables used anywhere booleans are expected in WML? if so the 0 = false idiom seems useful in WML as well.
20100531 16:19:53< zookeeper> not that i know of, but that's no guarantee..
20100531 16:21:34< CIA-86> zookeeper * r43073 /branches/1.8/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Ported r43072 to 1.8.
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20100531 18:05:24 * zookeeper is about to commit a balancing tweak to AOI in a few minutes
20100531 18:06:24< zookeeper> at least if i can figure out why tortoisesvn won't let me do a certain thing...
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20100531 18:11:02< CIA-86> zookeeper * r43074 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Made 'Valley of Trolls' easier on the easiest difficulties.
20100531 18:12:44< CIA-86> zookeeper * r43075 /branches/1.8/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Ported r43074 to 1.8.
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20100531 18:17:33< zookeeper> wait, wtf, that scenario still uses canrecruit="1"
20100531 18:17:53< zookeeper> i guess esr didn't consider the possibility of quotes when writing the wmllint rule...
20100531 18:18:14< zookeeper> actually it's used in two other scenarios in AOI too
20100531 18:18:42< zookeeper> but i don't have time to fix that now, and i guess it's not important in 1.8 anyway...
20100531 18:20:12< zookeeper> haha, THoT is the other campaign using that, and it seems it does it in every scenario :P
20100531 18:24:32< Ivanovic> does this possibly cause any problems?
20100531 18:25:06< Ivanovic> if not:
20100531 18:25:55< Ivanovic> AI0867, allefant, loonycyborg, Rhonda, shadowmaster, Soliton, thespaceinvader, Upth, zookeeper, everyone else who cares: ready for 1.8.2?
20100531 18:26:11 * loonycyborg is ready
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20100531 18:27:31 * allefant is ready too
20100531 18:27:45< allefant> not that i have anything to do with it :)
20100531 18:31:45< CIA-86> ivanovic * r43076 /branches/1.8/po/ (75 files in 23 dirs): 
20100531 18:31:45< CIA-86> pot-update (reference update only, no new/changed strings, preparing for 1.8.2)
20100531 18:31:45< CIA-86> regenerated doc files (nothing changed here...)
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20100531 18:33:08< boucman> hey all
20100531 18:34:56< Ivanovic> hi boucman
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20100531 18:39:28< zookeeper> Ivanovic, no, it shouldn't cause any problems in 1.8
20100531 18:39:30< CIA-86> ivanovic * r43077 /branches/1.8/ (changelog configure.ac players_changelog src/wesconfig.h): bump version to 1.8.2
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20100531 19:01:32< CIA-86> ivanovic * r43078 /tags/1.8.2/: release of 1.8.2, using r43077
20100531 19:01:33< Rhonda> Ivanovic: Since in the morning, damnit :)
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20100531 19:03:00< CIA-86> ivanovic * r43079 /branches/1.8/ (changelog configure.ac players_changelog src/wesconfig.h): post-release version bump to 1.8.2+svn
20100531 19:03:22< Ivanovic> Rhonda: then get the binary ready
20100531 19:03:24< Ivanovic> ;)
20100531 19:03:34< Rhonda> Gimme the tarball.
20100531 19:03:47< Ivanovic> loonycyborg, crimson_penguin: 1.8.2 is done, currently uploading the tarball to wesnoth.org
20100531 19:03:56< Ivanovic> will upload it to sf.net after eating a little
20100531 19:04:05< crimson_penguin> oh really?
20100531 19:04:12< Ivanovic> (tarball still needs some 30mins to upload)
20100531 19:04:14< Rhonda> Can you upload the md5 file?
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20100531 19:04:32< Rhonda> So one can check wether they are finished? And/or at least tell the size? :)
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20100531 19:10:11 * Rhonda . o O ( Why uploading anyway and not creating there and downloading? )
20100531 19:10:31< Rhonda> But I think our upload limit isn't touched as much as the download limit
20100531 19:16:30< fendrin> wesbot: seen yoggihh?
20100531 19:16:30< wesbot> fendrin: Sorry, I don't know of yoggihh.
20100531 19:16:33< fendrin> wesbot: seen yogihh?
20100531 19:16:33< wesbot> fendrin: The person with the nick YogiHH 3d 18h ago they left with the message: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]
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20100531 19:24:28< Ivanovic> Rhonda: technically it does not make much difference if i created the package on the server or on my main system
20100531 19:24:49< Ivanovic> Rhonda: if i created the tarball on the server i had to download it and upload to sf.net anyway
20100531 19:24:58< Ivanovic> so instead of downloading the file myself i upload it myself
20100531 19:25:29< Ivanovic> and an md5 will be uploaded, too
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20100531 19:25:46< Ivanovic> i just use rsync on the tarball, the xdelta and the md5
20100531 19:26:06< Ivanovic> so far the xdelta is done, the tarball is WIP and the md5 will follow
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20100531 19:28:47< Rhonda> Ivanovic: I can just hope that you use the --partial switch as safeguard. :)
20100531 19:28:54< Ivanovic> sure
20100531 19:29:06< Ivanovic> and before uploading to sf.net i tend to check the md5sum
20100531 19:29:54< Ivanovic> the main difference between creating the tarball on the server and at home is simple
20100531 19:30:01< Ivanovic> 1) my box at home is faster
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20100531 19:30:43< Ivanovic> 2) if something goes badly so that i got to redo the tarball i would waste bandwidth (downloading for testing) which is not the case at home
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20100531 19:31:37< Rhonda> 20mb left …
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20100531 19:31:53< Ivanovic> about 5min left
20100531 19:37:16< Rhonda> 9%!
20100531 19:37:54< Rhonda> Hmm. tcpkill everyone beside me for downloading that?   *BOFHgrin*
20100531 19:38:43< Ivanovic> bad idea since i got to upload to sf.net...
20100531 19:39:01< Ivanovic> done
20100531 19:39:10< Rhonda> So? You do that from your line to sf, not from the server?
20100531 19:39:33< Rhonda> Or rather, that would had been a different direction anyway. :)
20100531 19:39:34< Ivanovic> i upload the stuff uploaded to wesnoth.org to sf.net
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20100531 20:08:34< gabba> hi
20100531 20:09:09< billynux> hi gabba
20100531 20:09:14< gabba> hi billynux
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20100531 20:15:04< boucman> hey gabba
20100531 20:15:08< boucman> how is it going ?
20100531 20:15:28< gabba> hey boucman
20100531 20:15:50< gabba> not bad :)
20100531 20:16:45< boucman> so, I answered your mail, what is your next step ?
20100531 20:16:49< gabba> except I seem to have some internet connexion problems right now (no access to gmail??)
20100531 20:17:20< gabba> once I get it back I'd like to discuss your mail, some points weren't so clear for me
20100531 20:17:21< boucman> hehe
20100531 20:17:55< boucman> basically, there are some "small jobs" that can be done, but with the current state of arrows we can move on to the underlying structure
20100531 20:19:16< boucman> so you the next logical steps I see is 
20100531 20:19:18< gabba> I think displaying proper arrow symbols would be important, that'll help a lot when testing planned moves
20100531 20:20:08< boucman> gabba: well, since you "know" what you want to display I don't think it's that important for debugging,
20100531 20:20:26< gabba> maybe also setup the "planning mode" with a hotkey, so I can use that as an excuse to test various stuff in-game
20100531 20:20:28< boucman> and there is little help you need from me to do that (it's a pure coding job)
20100531 20:20:48< boucman> or a configuration switch, yes
20100531 20:21:03< boucman> there is the input system to study, so you know where/how to plug in
20100531 20:21:41< gabba> boucman: well, the visuals are gonna get very important rather soon, but I agree, I don't need you help for that
20100531 20:22:20< boucman> so let's discuss the parts where you need my help :P
20100531 20:22:52< billynux> gabba: what are you doing to keep track of your work? (and let others know too)
20100531 20:22:57< boucman> (if you feel they are important for debug, just code them, we'll have to do them at some point anyway)
20100531 20:23:15< boucman> billynux: the changes we made so far were comitted to trunk
20100531 20:23:44< gabba> billynux: that, and up to now I'm following my calendar (more or less ;) )
20100531 20:24:10< boucman> hehe
20100531 20:24:22< billynux> boucman: ok, but I mean "Have you posted somewhere (i.e. wiki) what you are doing and the status on each task?"
20100531 20:24:42< billynux> I was thinking about adding it to the proposal wiki
20100531 20:24:52< boucman> so, my guesstimate is that "proper arrow" is around a day of work, including implenting the pathfind_arrow class
20100531 20:24:55< billynux> but it would be better on a separate wiki page...
20100531 20:25:14< boucman> i'll be on a professional trip tomorow and I have no idea what net access i'll have, btw...
20100531 20:25:55< gabba> boucman: noted, so it's important to plan well today
20100531 20:26:08< boucman> :)
20100531 20:26:27< gabba> boucman: "proper arrow" is arrow+working visuals, isn't it?
20100531 20:26:29< boucman> gabba: the "clean arrow" is our security if we can't communicate tomorow ;)
20100531 20:26:34< boucman> yes
20100531 20:26:52< boucman> it's a generic turn for "whatever's left on the display side"
20100531 20:27:06< gabba> I don't get what's "clean arrow"? After scrubbing the code with soap and water :P ?
20100531 20:27:54< boucman> yeah, something like that ;)
20100531 20:28:23< gabba> err, that doesn't help
20100531 20:29:10< gabba> no, seriously, can you summarize the clean vs proper vs the rest distinction, that's what confused me in your email
20100531 20:29:22 * boucman goes reread his mail
20100531 20:30:14< boucman> ok, just forget the mail, it's really not clear
20100531 20:30:34< boucman> basically, we have split the "display arrow" from the "logical arrow" and that's a good thing
20100531 20:30:36< gabba> ok :)
20100531 20:30:45< gabba> yup
20100531 20:31:23< boucman> on the display arrow side, we have the basics in place, they look good and I think they can stay as they are if there are more urgent things to do
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20100531 20:32:18< boucman> on the other hand, what's left on the display side is things you can do without me, so I'd rather delay working on that side for whenever you go faster than expected/are tired of doing something and want to work on something else/any other reason
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20100531 20:32:45< boucman> so I want to discuss with you what else you can work on, so we have a basic plan
20100531 20:32:54< gabba> makes sense, with the reserve that I'd still like to follow my calendar overall
20100531 20:32:57< boucman> and then we'll discuss in what order we do stuff
20100531 20:33:09< boucman> ok, gimme a second to open your web page
20100531 20:34:35< boucman> well, your planning had backend before frontend, so we are going back to if we are working on backend :P
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20100531 20:35:49< gabba> Up to now #2 is designed and implementation is trivial
20100531 20:37:00< gabba> #3 Ghost units work (except for fake recruits which are optional), and arrows... well what you said
20100531 20:37:01< silene> zookeeper: your commit to data/campaigns/An_Orcish_Incursion/scenarios/4_Valley_of_Trolls.cfg broke a translatable string; you should change your text editor
20100531 20:37:23< boucman> ok, so you have a design for the internal structure ? is it in your proposal ?
20100531 20:38:07< gabba> boucman: I submitted a design to you at the beginning of may, and we agreed it was ok
20100531 20:38:10< shadowmaster> Rhonda: it was a sole thread only after I split it from the official iPad thread
20100531 20:38:13< zookeeper> silene, right
20100531 20:38:25< gabba> boucman: I should add it to a wiki page though, really
20100531 20:38:26< zookeeper> silene, the thing is that i think it's not my editor, it's tortoisesvn
20100531 20:38:56< boucman> gabba: that would be nice, i'm very bad at searching mail :P
20100531 20:39:05< zookeeper> that is, i tried to erase that change in tortoisesvn's diff viewer, but couldn't. it was quite odd. but it looked like maybe it was just converting some linebreak to a different format or something, so i left it in.
20100531 20:39:10< shadowmaster> ...awesome that people still reply after I say "SOFT-LOCKED" in caps and all.
20100531 20:39:25< gabba> well, it's rather easy to find in the mailing list, since it's low-volume
20100531 20:40:11< silene> zookeeper: unfortunately no, it's right in the middle of the string; so i guess you won't be able to revert it then; i will do it
20100531 20:40:15< zookeeper> shadowmaster, sounds like a job for the delete button..
20100531 20:40:31< shadowmaster> that's why you don't see replies now
20100531 20:40:34< zookeeper> silene, hmm, that's strange. i bet it was the dash, right?
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20100531 20:40:41< boucman> gabba: http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=40412&mode=view
20100531 20:40:41< silene> zookeeper: right
20100531 20:40:50< zookeeper> shadowmaster, now there's http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=431541#p431541 too
20100531 20:40:53< shadowmaster> they caught me in a bad mood, and with bronchitis
20100531 20:41:13< zookeeper> silene, great. another reason to dislike the dash change, i suppose... :p
20100531 20:42:30< gabba> boucman: anyways, maybe a good goal for now would be to set up the input so one can click on a unit, click its destination, and that sets up a planned move
20100531 20:42:46< Ivanovic> good, the problem does only exist in trunk, not in 1.8.2...
20100531 20:43:07< zookeeper> yeah, that's why i didn't immediately worry about it
20100531 20:43:58< boucman> it's my turn to be a bit confused (i'm still rereading our discussion)
20100531 20:45:15< boucman> did you code the PlannedAction structure described in that thread ?
20100531 20:45:22< gabba> boucman: I still don't have access to gmail (but I get to google search), maybe their Canada servers are down
20100531 20:46:05< gabba> boucman: nope, at the end of the discussion I said I'd leave it at the planning stage until I really need it
20100531 20:46:30< boucman> gabba: ok, i'm back on my feets
20100531 20:46:57< CIA-86> silene * r43080 /trunk/data/campaigns/An_Orcish_Incursion/scenarios/4_Valley_of_Trolls.cfg: Reverted translatable string breakage.
20100531 20:46:58< zookeeper> i don't even manage to grep for a new-style dash.
20100531 20:47:07< boucman> so, my guess is that coding this PlannedAction structure is the next step, do you agreeor do you hae something else in mind
20100531 20:47:09< boucman> ?
20100531 20:47:11< zookeeper> silene, thanks. i'll try to figure out if i can get my editor to not break them
20100531 20:48:10< gabba> boucman: yes, for a next step it's fine
20100531 20:48:44< gabba> boucman: but I need a context in which to use it, otherwise I fear my design will be too abstract
20100531 20:49:09< gabba> s/design/coding
20100531 20:49:29< boucman> ok, good... my guess is that as a start, you only need the PlannedAction and PlannedMove classes
20100531 20:49:46< boucman> these classes have two "ends" : input from the user, and output to the display
20100531 20:50:33< gabba> yes, output consists in creating an arrow (semi-implemented) and a number (not implemented)
20100531 20:50:44< boucman> so, you need to have the PlannedAction singleton put in place (probably as a member of the game_display class)
20100531 20:51:01< boucman> sorry, I meant PlannedActionSet
20100531 20:51:06< gabba> yes
20100531 20:51:22< zookeeper> silene, well, actually i just double-checked and indeed it seems to be just tortoisesvn which can't handle those...i'll see what i can do.
20100531 20:51:46< gabba> boucman: can you paste the link to the UML diagram?
20100531 20:51:53< boucman> http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=40412&mode=view
20100531 20:51:59< boucman> sorry, I thought I did earlier
20100531 20:52:08< gabba> boucman: thx
20100531 20:52:31< gabba> boucman: oops you did, somehow I missed it sorry
20100531 20:53:34< boucman> ok, so looking at that, you have three classes you need "urgently" which are PlannedActionSet, PlannedAction and PlannedMove
20100531 20:54:08< boucman> with that, we can put some sort of structure in place, test it extensively and add the other ones after that
20100531 20:55:46< gabba> I think I can code those today
20100531 20:56:50< silene> zookeeper: perhaps it has an option to set the charset
20100531 20:56:54< boucman> ok, great
20100531 20:57:18< boucman> i'm not sure how to plug your stuff in the input system, though, that will require a little studying
20100531 20:59:21< gabba> boucman: overall I'll intercept the "trigger" that gives a move order to units, and create a planned move instead
20100531 20:59:27< CIA-86> silene * r43081 /trunk/data/campaigns/ (15 files in 2 dirs): Fixed canrecruit attribute begin assigned a (quoted) integer.
20100531 20:59:38< gabba> boucman: I haven't looked at the code at all in this area though
20100531 21:00:17< boucman> gabba: yes, that "trigger finding" what was I was thinking of :P
20100531 21:01:15< gabba> boucman: well, so today I implement the PlannedAction framework, and tomorrow I set up tests (maybe unit tests) for it, and start looking for the magical trigger
20100531 21:01:18< Rhonda> shadowmaster: Oh. Why did you do so and not just delete that silly comment?
20100531 21:01:23< gabba> does that sound good?
20100531 21:01:36< boucman> yup, perfect
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20100531 21:02:08< shadowmaster> Rhonda: to torture the idiot who posted it.
20100531 21:02:24< shadowmaster> since I have bronchitis and I feel the need to torture stuff
20100531 21:02:29< noy> Rhonda: talking about the gpl stuff?
20100531 21:02:37< gabba> boucman: I know there are already some unit tests using the boost tools, do you know anything about those?
20100531 21:02:38< Rhonda> noy: yes  *sigh*
20100531 21:02:51< shadowmaster> I also think that just deleting that kind of comments doesn't tell anything good about our moderators/admins
20100531 21:03:22< boucman> gabba: unfortunately, no... though your hack on the display path could be reused to test the PlannedAction until you find the trigger...
20100531 21:03:25< shadowmaster> let's not turn the board into a mini Chinese government or something :/
20100531 21:03:48< Rhonda> screw the moderators :P
20100531 21:04:29< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: 1.8.2 installer is uploaded.
20100531 21:04:35< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: cool!
20100531 21:04:43< noy> well to be honest they aren't really here to discuss the issue
20100531 21:05:08< noy> The board isn't a multiparty parliament with free speech rules. 
20100531 21:05:21< gabba> boucman: sure. Well, I'll see if I have time to learn boost::unit_test, and if the classes are complex enough to warrant it's use
20100531 21:05:43< shadowmaster> "OH NOES, YOU BE DELETING MY POSTS, YOU DIRTY ANTI-FREESOFTWARE PEOPLE"
20100531 21:05:45< noy> Its a focused functional forum, and to a point its not really a place for certain discussions 
20100531 21:05:46< boucman> k
20100531 21:05:51< shadowmaster> I don't want that kind of response ;)
20100531 21:06:26< noy> yeah well its also a legal issue that has serious implications for our project
20100531 21:06:43< noy> And this isn't a place for unsubstantiated rumors.
20100531 21:07:04< noy> And this sort of policy on legal issues is by no means unique
20100531 21:07:35< noy> for example, this is an article on Canada's top daily newspaper, the Globe and mail on a major legal issue
20100531 21:07:37< noy> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/mulroney-schreiber-relationship-inappropriate-probe-finds/article1586836/
20100531 21:07:49< noy> note how they have diabled comments at the bottom
20100531 21:08:01< gabba> boucman: ok, so I'll get to work - until when are you around tonight, in case I have questions?
20100531 21:08:23< noy> If  they want to discuss the issue, they are welcome to come to IRC and discuss it. 
20100531 21:08:48< boucman> 3 hours, give or take...
20100531 21:08:49< silene> Ivanovic: do you want to care of https://gna.org/bugs/?15978 ?
20100531 21:09:10< gabba> boucman: ok
20100531 21:09:24< Ivanovic> silene: uhm, thought this was already done in trunk
20100531 21:09:31< Ivanovic> silene: feel free to do so in trunk
20100531 21:10:11< Ivanovic> something like "scenario name^Port of Blackwater" should work
20100531 21:10:14< gabba> boucman: I'll log off for a few minutes to reboot router and computer, to see if my internet problems go away... Karmic behaves a bit weird coming out from hibernation
20100531 21:10:48< boucman> k :P
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20100531 21:14:26< CIA-86> silene * r43082 /trunk/data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/scenarios/02_Blackwater_Port.cfg: Added a mark on the scenario name to make it separate from the map label. (Fix for bug #15978.)
20100531 21:18:23< silene> what's the good way for seeing 1.8 addons from trunk?
20100531 21:20:08< Gambit> silene: via the addon server?
20100531 21:20:58< Gambit> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=430602#p430602
20100531 21:22:08< silene> Gambit: thanks, it works
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20100531 21:25:38< silene> can anybody test if they are able to reproduce this issue with 1.8? https://gna.org/bugs/?16034
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20100531 21:26:17< aston> Hmmm.... Wesnoth-writing does not exist anymore?
20100531 21:26:22< gabba> back
20100531 21:26:55< shadowmaster> aston: it was unused, so it redirects here
20100531 21:27:05< aston> shadowmaster: Ah. Fair enough.
20100531 21:27:25< aston> Does anyone know if there is anything to be done in that regard?
20100531 21:27:39< aston> The forum for it seems fairly quiet as well.
20100531 21:28:09< Gambit> said forum does have a to-do list
20100531 21:28:26< Gambit> but it looks horribly unorganized
20100531 21:29:15< zookeeper> silene, i don't even understand what the bug is supposed to be.
20100531 21:29:22< zookeeper> "it say that "Children of Dragons" witch is of 2.03Mo is smaller than "Invasion from the [...]" witch is of 13.9Mo"
20100531 21:29:47< zookeeper> "2.03Mo is smaller than 13.9Mo" sounds about right regardless of what Mo means
20100531 21:29:56< silene> zookeeper: yes, the report is quite confusing, that's why i'm asking if someone is able to get a wrongly sorted list
20100531 21:30:14< zookeeper> silene, right, i guess i'll try it ;)
20100531 21:30:31< shadowmaster> whenever an add.on's title gets truncated, a shadowmaster cries
20100531 21:31:16< zookeeper> silene, works for me
20100531 21:31:59< silene> thanks, i will just close it then
20100531 21:33:08< aston> Gambit: I saw that, but it is out of date, at least from an "official" viewpoint.
20100531 21:33:20< aston> I assume that the manual has been redone for example.
20100531 21:35:53< Gambit> I don't think.
20100531 21:36:02< Gambit> I think it was in progress and then the guy disappeared.
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20100531 21:36:49< alink> silene: you mentionned something about 0/1 in WML bool, are you aware of utils::string_bool ?
20100531 21:37:04< aston> Hmmm....
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20100531 21:37:26< aston> Have not really noticed any problems myself. Not been playing long though.
20100531 21:39:00< silene> alink: you bet i am, i have removed hundreds of these calls recently; it is not a technical issue, it is a design decision; should we or not keep supporting 0 and 1 as boolean values? adding back support for them is a one-liner
20100531 21:39:45< alink> silene: ok :-)
20100531 21:40:36< alink> and we need to be consistent with all functions dealing with WML bool
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20100531 21:41:22< silene> alink: yes, that's why i removed all the hardcoded "yes" and "no" from the code; now (almost) all the boolean reads go through a single point of code
20100531 21:41:48< silene> namely, attribute_value::to_bool
20100531 21:42:22< alink> silene: good. IIRC it was the initial goal of string_bool, but it was not fully done
20100531 21:42:46< alink> have we a bool_to_string function too ?
20100531 21:43:10< alink> got it
20100531 21:43:23< alink> nice
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20100531 22:09:54< aston> Have read through it, and unless there are discrepencies between what it says and what is actually the case, the manual (at least as is available online) seems to be accurate.
20100531 22:10:07< aston> I could be missing some stuff of course.
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20100531 22:20:49< alink> zookeeper: I have the "grid on top of foreground terrain" working fine now. It's certainly better for the UI, but it kind of look a bit ugly with terrain bigger than one hex :-/
20100531 22:20:56< alink> http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5969/grid3e.png
20100531 22:21:09< gabba> boucman: I think I'll put PlannedActionSet/PlannedAction and other classes from the uml diagram in a new subdirectory src/whiteboard (path_arrow would go in there as well). Does that sound ok?
20100531 22:21:11< alink> see how it cut the great trees and villages
20100531 22:21:26< boucman> makes sense, go for it
20100531 22:21:37< gabba> k
20100531 22:24:09< Ivanovic> alink: uhm, it looks really strange in the cave wall
20100531 22:24:26< alink> yeah cave wall are a weird case
20100531 22:24:33< Ivanovic> due to light grey and black switching
20100531 22:24:33< alink> with trunk : http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/3259/grid4.png
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20100531 22:26:00< alink> however I think that the cave wall problem comes from the transition width, which could probably tweaked  
20100531 22:26:25< alink> here is how it works
20100531 22:26:27< alink> http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8966/grid1x.png
20100531 22:26:43< alink> with trunk : http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/107/grid2.png
20100531 22:26:48< billynux> mordante: I sent you an email @mordante.wesnoth
20100531 22:26:54< alink> (using a different grid image)
20100531 22:27:17< Ivanovic> billynux: just have a look at the commit mailling list
20100531 22:27:28< Ivanovic> there you should be able to easily find mordantes "normal" email addy
20100531 22:27:50< alink> Ivanovic: on grid2, you clearly see how wave transition wall are "special"
20100531 22:27:53< billynux> ok Ivanovic... do you think he won't check on that one?
20100531 22:28:17< alink> mmmh, now that I think of it, maybe this width is needed for other cases :-/
20100531 22:28:22< Ivanovic> billynux: if you mean an address at wesnoth.org: no idea if he has such an address and if there is a redirect...
20100531 22:28:56< billynux> Ivanovic: I have mordante.wesnoth AT gmail saved in my account
20100531 22:29:08< billynux> and I'm aware of koraq AT ..
20100531 22:29:10< Ivanovic> ah, okay
20100531 22:29:21< Ivanovic> was not aware of the mordante.wesnoth address
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20100531 22:32:37< zookeeper> alink, well, i guess it's somewhat a matter of taste, as i don't think it looks that ugly...however i'm sympathetic to some alternative solution like making the grid be obscured by all non-flat terrain tiles or something.
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20100531 22:33:07< billynux> bye y'all
20100531 22:33:09< zookeeper> currently it's rather inconsistent how it works with castles, some walls cover up the grid and some don't.
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20100531 22:33:34< alink> zookeeper: agreed
20100531 22:34:28< alink> not sure about how to implement alternative solution, though. Need to experiment a bit
20100531 22:35:26< alink> btw  http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8966/grid1x.png works by putting blue part in front of unit and foreground terrain, and green part behind
20100531 22:40:12< alink> OtOH, even if this new method make the grid more visible, you can still disable it. And people who need it probably need it everywhere
20100531 22:40:38< alink> maybe even especially on weird terrain "shifted" from the base plane
20100531 22:41:00< alink> like keeps or cave walls
20100531 22:44:27< zookeeper> uh, should http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Developers be updated or considered abandoned?
20100531 22:47:26< alink> what a small team :-)
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20100531 22:48:25< shadowmaster> http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Credits should replace that page
20100531 22:48:42< ancestral> You could just place a redirect
20100531 22:48:53< shadowmaster> it's hard to maintain a list of "current" devs
20100531 22:49:29< alink> ah we have a wiki category: "Review on Release", nice idea, but doesn't seems to work :-/
20100531 22:50:11< allefant> could auto-generate such a list... everyone with regular commits in the last month
20100531 22:50:47< alink> well only one commit is enough
20100531 22:52:09< alink> allefant: but then you must tie svn nickname to people, which in some case is not obvious
20100531 22:52:35< allefant> yeah, was just trying to figure out if this makes any sense: http://www.ohloh.net/p/wesnoth/contributors?query=&sort=latest_commit
20100531 22:52:58< zookeeper> i'm not sure what the point of such a list would be anyway.
20100531 22:54:30< alink> add a link to this IRC channel seems more useful if you need to contact active devs
20100531 22:54:44< shadowmaster> you are saying I'm an inactive developer?
20100531 22:54:49< shadowmaster> and yet I still have to do security fixes
20100531 22:55:00< shadowmaster> and file priority 9 bugs to fix them  myself in 30 minutes
20100531 22:56:34< zookeeper> alink, indeed
20100531 23:00:00< CIA-86> gabba * r43083 /trunk/src/ (CMakeLists.txt SConscript): Moved arrow.cpp to its proper alphabetical place in build files
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20100531 23:13:08< Ivanovic> gabba: why is arrow part of libwesnoth?
20100531 23:13:16< Ivanovic> libwesnoth should be the stuff that is shared
20100531 23:13:45< gabba> Ivanovic: because it goes together with display (which depends on it)
20100531 23:13:48< Ivanovic> (currently we just share between campaignd, wesnothd and the game (that is any combination of those three))
20100531 23:14:44< Ivanovic> sorry, mixed some stuff up, looks like this is some lib we compile explicitly for the game component
20100531 23:14:52< Ivanovic> yeah, i am too sleepy to think straight...
20100531 23:15:00< gabba> Ivanovic: np
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20100531 23:38:58< CIA-86> alink * r43084 /trunk/ (8 files in 4 dirs): 
20100531 23:38:58< CIA-86> Render grid above foreground terrain.
20100531 23:38:58< CIA-86> Experiment to see if we get used to it. Still not perfect but much more consistent.
20100531 23:39:26< boucman> gabba: leaving in ~10', if you have any las minute question...
20100531 23:39:39< alink> ^kept the old grid image for now, so you can experiment just by moving/renaming files (even revert to old behavior)
20100531 23:39:54< gabba> boucman: everything's ok for now... setting up the class stubs and everything
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20100531 23:54:07< zookeeper> alink, so is the grid drawn over or under units now?
20100531 23:55:41< alink> zookeeper: both :)
20100531 23:55:53< alink> it's the same trick as for ellipse
20100531 23:56:04< gabba> boucman: hmm, path_arrow might be difficult to get right
20100531 23:56:15< boucman> why ?
20100531 23:56:17< zookeeper> alink, all right
20100531 23:56:31< alink> with the small difference that bottom part is also above terrain
20100531 23:56:53< gabba> boucman: if I want to take into account moves already planned, I need to maintain my own unit map for pathfinding I guess
20100531 23:57:11< alink> http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8966/grid1x.png this is why you see top of tower 
20100531 23:57:44< boucman> gabba: only your units move, so no ZoC problem afaict, only problem with putting two units on the same hex, but that's aconflict
20100531 23:58:42< boucman> and if you want it to do it more generic, yes, you need to have a unit map per arrow representing the state after the arrow is applied, and changing arrow order would mean recalculating all the following unit maps
20100531 23:59:56< gabba> boucman: pathfindind first with the current unit map, and asking questions (about conflicts) later has the advantage that path_arrow can function independently
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