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20100501 01:14:03< Espreon> Espreon: Uh, I don't... think so...
20100501 01:14:08< Espreon> shadowmaster: 
20100501 01:14:10< Espreon> AAAH~
20100501 01:14:13< shadowmaster> haha
20100501 01:14:25< Espreon> Sorry, I've been dealing with my brother's shenanigans...
20100501 01:14:35< Espreon> *brothers'
20100501 01:14:47< Espreon> They're fighting over something so fucking stupid.
20100501 01:15:04< Espreon> They're essentially fighting over rubber bands...
20100501 01:15:21< shadowmaster> rubber bands.
20100501 01:15:26< Espreon> WHY‽
20100501 01:15:30< shadowmaster> I don't understand :P
20100501 01:15:35< Espreon> I don't either...
20100501 01:15:45< shadowmaster> what are rubbber bands? I'm only familiarized with rubber erasers
20100501 01:15:56< shadowmaster> well, erasers made of a rubber-like material
20100501 01:15:58< Espreon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_bands
20100501 01:16:19< shadowmaster> ahhh
20100501 01:16:35< shadowmaster> I know them as elastic bands
20100501 01:16:42< Espreon> They're fighting over special ones called "Sillybands"...
20100501 01:16:44< Espreon> Wow...
20100501 01:16:58< Espreon> Real children fight over real things... such as Pogeymanz...
20100501 01:17:21< shadowmaster> real adults fight over silly stuff too
20100501 01:17:35< shadowmaster> like buttons
20100501 01:18:15< shadowmaster> why whenever I join the MP lobby someone notices who I am? :/
20100501 01:18:27< Espreon> Because you're awesome?
20100501 01:18:30< Espreon> IDK.
20100501 01:18:41< shadowmaster> no, I'm not
20100501 01:19:06< Espreon> Well, in the eyes of some, you are.
20100501 01:19:07< shadowmaster> if I was, AtS would be finished already
20100501 01:19:10< shadowmaster> :(
20100501 01:19:40< Espreon> If I *were* the Cookie Magister, I'd hoard all of the cookies in za warudo for myself.
20100501 01:20:10 * shadowmaster tries the power of niced process
20100501 01:20:11< shadowmaster> es
20100501 01:20:34< shadowmaster> too bad there's no "memnice"
20100501 01:20:47< shadowmaster> or something to do that effect
20100501 01:27:51< Espreon> ... and in other news, I've been making something "nice" in Bash... yayz...
20100501 01:28:18< shadowmaster> what's it?
20100501 01:28:36< Espreon> Something for poor Torangan.
20100501 01:28:57< shadowmaster> ah
20100501 01:29:03< Espreon> It will allow him to generate i18n stuff for campaigns easily.
20100501 01:29:28< shadowmaster> uh, don't the Makefiles do that already?
20100501 01:29:33< shadowmaster> or what do you mean by stuff?
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20100501 01:29:58< Espreon> The guts of the "build system".
20100501 01:31:05< Espreon> Basically, the script is to be run on addons that just came into Wescamp.
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20100501 01:44:09< Espreon> OK, what should I do today?
20100501 01:44:22< shadowmaster> help me take over the world
20100501 01:44:33< shadowmaster> we'll make a plan as we go
20100501 01:44:45< Espreon> No, I meant something TSL-related.
20100501 01:46:25 * Espreon wants to go to Kate's party... LOL.
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20100501 01:49:20< Espreon> ... sadly... 'tis in Ausfailia...
20100501 01:50:05< Espreon> ... and it begins tomorrow...
20100501 01:50:30< shadowmaster> Kate's party?
20100501 01:50:36< shadowmaster> who is Kate?
20100501 01:51:00< Espreon> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/kates-birthday
20100501 01:51:13< Espreon> It's fairly recent.
20100501 01:51:51< shadowmaster> I see...
20100501 01:52:39< Espreon> Over 60,000 people RSVP'd... LOL
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20100501 01:57:49< shadowmaster> sounds fun
20100501 01:57:50< shadowmaster> :P
20100501 01:58:32< Espreon> I know, 'twill be epic!
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20100501 02:56:01< Espreon> OK, now I has support for Gothic.
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20100501 03:04:58< Espreon> Gambit: Are you attending Kate's party? ;)
20100501 03:05:21< Gambit> no
20100501 03:05:23< shadowmaster> does he even live in Australia? -.-
20100501 03:06:35< Espreon> shadowmaster: It's worth the flight.
20100501 03:06:54< shadowmaster> you kids and your memes
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20100501 03:35:50< CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7046 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/TRANSLATION: TSL: added 'TRANSLATION'.
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20100501 07:14:09< FAAB> shadowmaster: still there ?
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20100501 08:08:09< timotei> hey Espreon 
20100501 08:13:52< timotei> Espreon, around?
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20100501 09:41:57< timotei> Hey Espreon, I can hear sounds now:D
20100501 09:41:59< timotei> thanks a lot
20100501 10:01:22< zookeeper> shadowmaster, i can see your test add-on again
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20100501 10:43:51< timotei> loonybot<< hello timotei
20100501 10:43:55<+loonybot> error: 'hello' was not declared in this scope
20100501 10:44:01< timotei> loonybot<< "hello timotei"
20100501 10:44:10<+loonybot> hello timotei
20100501 10:44:55< timotei> loonybot<< "hello timotei"
20100501 10:44:56<+loonybot> hello timotei
20100501 10:58:57< timotei> loonybot<< "hello timotei"
20100501 10:58:57<+loonybot> hello timotei
20100501 10:59:54< timotei> loonybot<< "hello timotei"
20100501 10:59:54<+loonybot> hello timotei
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20100501 11:08:57< timotei> loonybot<< "hello timotei"
20100501 11:08:58<+loonybot> hello timotei
20100501 11:10:48< timotei> loonybot<< "hello timotei"
20100501 11:10:48<+loonybot> hello timotei
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20100501 18:43:58< timotei21> hey Espreon, around?
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20100501 19:11:37< shadowmaster> zookeeper: oh, yes, I forgot to remove it after testing last night
20100501 19:12:20< shadowmaster> wow, people do download this stuff :/
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20100501 19:45:17< zookeeper> they probably think it's IftU's sequel or something since it has your name on it ;)
20100501 19:46:36 * shadowmaster pokes AI0867 with http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=425571#p425571
20100501 19:47:00< shadowmaster> hear the users' prayers, O master of tedious tasks!
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20100501 20:05:50< Espreon> timotei: Jeß?
20100501 20:07:43< timotei> thanks for your help, I followed again that guide and it works the sound:)
20100501 20:08:03< timotei> but the thing is (which I think was the issue back then when tried first time), pulseaudio isn't "
20100501 20:08:17< timotei> remove properly, until renamed it, it would have start each time
20100501 20:08:23< timotei> but killing it=> sound
20100501 20:09:12< Espreon> What exactly do you mean?
20100501 20:09:29< timotei> the package pulseaudio, is still installed, and could remove it for good
20100501 20:09:39< timotei> s/could/couldn't
20100501 20:09:55< Espreon> Meh, kill it.
20100501 20:10:07< timotei> yes, I did that.
20100501 20:10:12< Espreon> Awesome.
20100501 20:10:21< timotei> and to prevent it from starting at computer startup, I renamed it into: pulseaudiosucks :))
20100501 20:10:31< timotei> and now everything is cool
20100501 20:10:37< Espreon> You recompiled all packages that used PA, yes?
20100501 20:10:40< timotei> yes
20100501 20:10:45< Espreon> Good.
20100501 20:10:53< Espreon> You also removed the other packages, yes?
20100501 20:10:53< timotei> I can play movies, music.
20100501 20:10:58< timotei> yes, that too
20100501 20:11:09< Espreon> Good.
20100501 20:11:13< timotei> the only thing I didn't managed to do, is running the world ofgoodemo with sound
20100501 20:11:31< timotei> but is not that bad, I don't need linux to play on it (yet)
20100501 20:13:28< Espreon> timotei: Did you play around with your make.conf again?
20100501 20:15:26< timotei> well, for what? the only things I modified was: "-pulseaudio" and "-march=native"
20100501 20:15:43< timotei> I tried editing the config of the game to use alsa, but no success:-??
20100501 20:18:52< Espreon> timotei: Well, you can add some other stuff: "-pipe" and "-fomit-frame-pointer" are also nice.
20100501 20:20:14< Espreon> You can also play around with MAKEOPTS.
20100501 20:20:29< timotei> ok
20100501 20:20:40< Espreon> So, if you like running more than one job when compiling... yeah...
20100501 20:21:01< Espreon> Mine looks like: "-j4 -s --load-average"
20100501 20:21:25< Espreon> "man make.conf" will tell you moar about make.conf
20100501 20:22:17< timotei> oky
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20100501 22:16:50< Espreon> OK, now KWin's compositing is tolerable here.
20100501 22:17:09< Espreon> (In OpenGL mode)
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20100501 22:30:49< Aethaeryn> AI0867: Thanks for the merge/copy/whatever.
20100501 22:31:24< Aethaeryn> The problem is that trunk is too early to work on so anything that I'm actively doing right now *will* be mostly in the 1.8 branch. At some point that will stabalize and I'll go back to trunk for most of my stuff.
20100501 22:31:39< Aethaeryn> But trunk being behind stable isn't desireable, either.
20100501 22:33:26< Aethaeryn> Espreon: How exactly does wescamp work? Does it do it basically so you need the add-on from the add-on server, thus making it impossible for the original content creator to actually use translations?
20100501 22:33:42< Aethaeryn> I'm not seeing how it can be compatible with wesnoth-umc-dev if someone always plays off of SVN copies.
20100501 22:33:52< Aethaeryn> I could be mistaken somehow...
20100501 22:34:02< AI0867> Aethaeryn: then I can delete it again, to rebranch when you think it's ready
20100501 22:35:58< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Basically, one uploads an addon with "translate=true" in the pbl, mordante runs a script (and new addons are added), Torangan sets up the build system for each addon, translations are commited, mo files are generated, and it is up to the addon maintainer to include the translations.
20100501 22:36:06< Espreon> So, you could just import the translations.
20100501 22:36:35< Espreon> but... yeahz...
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20100501 22:42:45< Aethaeryn> Espreon: The problem is, I see massive lag.
20100501 22:42:53< Aethaeryn> Since there's a middle man.
20100501 22:43:09< Aethaeryn> So in the most ideal state, you're stuck working with half-translated material.
20100501 22:43:52< Espreon> I only care about WesCamp for two reasons: translators are more likely to know about it; gettext.wesnoth.org
20100501 22:44:23< Aethaeryn> Yeah, but I don't give a damn if translators know about it. I just want to play my stuff in Latin.
20100501 22:44:26< Aethaeryn> :P
20100501 22:44:40< Aethaeryn> Otherwise I won't play Wesnoth in Latin since 90% of the time I'm playing my own stuff
20100501 22:44:43< Aethaeryn> and Latin will never get finished
20100501 22:46:23< Espreon> Well, then go to WesCamp, take a look at the build system, tweak it so that it works with your addon, and then commit.
20100501 22:47:17< Aethaeryn> The thing is, for my mappack, I seem to be the best host for my own stuff.
20100501 22:47:31< Aethaeryn> Probably at least 75% of the time my stuff is being played it's because I host it.
20100501 22:47:41< Aethaeryn> I have a following, just apparently not loyal enough to host it themselves :P
20100501 22:48:06< Espreon> OK, then go do what I suggested.
20100501 22:48:12< Aethaeryn> yeah
20100501 22:48:24< Aethaeryn> tomorrow, when I can ingest more caffeine.
20100501 22:48:33< Aethaeryn> Today if I have any more I won't be able to sleep
20100501 22:49:38< Aethaeryn> Oh, whenever I finish translating Wesnoth into Latin I'll try a few other things, such as Firefox. Hopefully they'll be receptive :P
20100501 22:50:24< Espreon> No, first try glibc.
20100501 22:51:03< Espreon> That's where the Shavian people started... I think.
20100501 22:51:13< Aethaeryn> I'd probably try GNOME too but for some reason most people on wesnoth IRC use KDE... 
20100501 22:51:32< Aethaeryn> idk why, personally if XFCE had more flexibility and support (e.g. VirtualBox doesn't run too well in it) I would use that.
20100501 22:51:41< Aethaeryn> Light > heavy. Damn Vista, screwing up how we all see OSes.
20100501 22:51:58 * Aethaeryn sighs... 
20100501 22:52:20< Aethaeryn> I might have to get a new computer this summer or fall just so I can run GNOME 3 properly. My computer otherwise probably could keep going another year.
20100501 22:54:19< Espreon> Aethaeryn: http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/guide/locales/glibc
20100501 22:54:24< Espreon> Yeahz...
20100501 22:55:32< Aethaeryn> I'm probably going to have to learn modern Greek.
20100501 22:55:59< Aethaeryn> Because when I'm done with Latin, I'll do Ancient Greek next, which probably would be best done as a modern Greek -> ancient Greek translation rather than English -> ancient Greek.
20100501 22:56:14< Aethaeryn> Then, who knows what will be my next language project... Coptic? Hebrew? Aramaic?
20100501 22:56:26< Aethaeryn> Just something not western European.
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20100501 22:56:42< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Do Coptic.
20100501 22:56:46< Aethaeryn> I have not a drop of western European blood in my body, I don't give a damn about them.
20100501 22:56:47< Espreon> ... or Manchu.
20100501 22:57:00< Espreon> Manchu really needs your help.
20100501 22:57:08< Aethaeryn> I may learn Chinese just for calligraphy.
20100501 22:57:21< Aethaeryn> I've seen it in a few shows/movies and fallen in love with it.
20100501 22:57:37< Aethaeryn> I can totally see myself doing Chinese calligraphy in the future.
20100501 22:57:46< Espreon> Please help the language of the last people who ruled China as an empire.
20100501 22:58:05< Aethaeryn> I also like the idea of a language not linked by speach/phoneticness
20100501 22:58:25< Aethaeryn> Because if I remember right, China had such diverse regionalisms, historically they could only communicate via writing.
20100501 22:58:42< Aethaeryn> Since their writing represents words as a whole instead of some phonetic code.
20100501 22:58:48< Espreon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchu_language ... Writing vertically is fun.
20100501 22:58:50< Aethaeryn> Actually, that's how we process things anyway.
20100501 22:58:57< Aethaeryn> Whole words.
20100501 22:59:07< Aethaeryn> That's why people who write a lot get good at spelling and spotting errors.
20100501 22:59:16< Aethaeryn> I don't think "w-h-o" I think "who" 
20100501 22:59:30< Espreon> ... or try this: http://www.moheganlanguage.com/
20100501 22:59:50< Aethaeryn> But yeah, I'm facinated by written language.
20100501 23:00:12< Aethaeryn> I just probably would never do linguistics for a grade...
20100501 23:00:30< Aethaeryn> The things I learn the most of, I get worse grades in... then I get As in classes I feel I didn't learn anything in.
20100501 23:00:33< Aethaeryn> :P
20100501 23:03:12< Espreon> Aethaeryn: But seriously, why not help Mohefan-Montauk-Narragansett? 'Twould be amusing.
20100501 23:03:31< Aethaeryn> Well, the problem is that I don't just like languages because they're cool.
20100501 23:04:00< Aethaeryn> I like languages because things get lost in translation, especially poetry or other high literature/philosophy where word meaning/order and wordplay gets lost.
20100501 23:04:19< Aethaeryn> There are so many things I would like to read in the original (ancient) Greek or Latin.
20100501 23:05:45< Aethaeryn> If you know Greek and Latin, you basically know all high literature before the modern (aka the stuff that happened because of the Renaissance and the industrial revolution) era.
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20100501 23:06:22< Aethaeryn> Latin is basically the entire middle ages as well as a lot of good classical stuff like Cicero. Greek is basically all pre-modern philosophy.
20100501 23:06:28< Espreon> Well, I am interested in Mogehan-Montauk-Narragansett because it is... a Native American language.
20100501 23:06:44< Aethaeryn> Ah.
20100501 23:07:09< Aethaeryn> Well, the thing is, unfortunately, most of their literature in general is oral literature that is lost because Europeans killed so many of them...
20100501 23:07:18< Aethaeryn> :S
20100501 23:08:04< Aethaeryn> Learning a language is a huge investment of time and energy, I'm not sure I can motivate myself to a learn a language without too many benefits from it.
20100501 23:08:29< Espreon> Well, I often learn things for teh lulz.
20100501 23:08:30< Aethaeryn> I still don't have enough time to work on Latin properly until the summer, and even then I'll be busy 
20100501 23:08:33< Espreon> I have no life.
20100501 23:09:18< Aethaeryn> Oh, I have no life either, but because I purposefully shun the frivolity practiced by my generation.
20100501 23:09:52< Aethaeryn> I'm sorry, I don't have time to be a consumer of the latest video game or to just hang out and socialize over nothing since they don't care about intellectual/philosophical topics.
20100501 23:10:10< Espreon> Well, same here.
20100501 23:10:17< Aethaeryn> Even movies are becoming less and less enjoyable because so many of them just are bursting with bad philosophy.
20100501 23:10:29 * Espreon hæts most recent movies.
20100501 23:10:35< Aethaeryn> When you think for even a few minutes about it, the messages are awful. And yes, everything has messages.
20100501 23:10:59< Aethaeryn> When you don't intend to insert morals, messages, and purposeful goals, you wind up with awful and vain ones.
20100501 23:11:18< Aethaeryn> If I ever get time to write literature after I graduate, I'll make them very meaningful.
20100501 23:12:02< Aethaeryn> Some morals inserted within Hollywood: "Go for and marry the stupid hot chick. If you do, you're a success and she'll eventually learn not to be so thick."
20100501 23:12:55< Espreon> Well, of course that's going to be in Hollywood.
20100501 23:13:16< Aethaeryn> "Having lots of stuff is a good aim, making you happy."
20100501 23:14:01< Aethaeryn> "Someone who takes work seriously is a dick. The slacker deserves the woman and deserves to interfere with the hard working person's successes just for lulz."
20100501 23:14:47< Espreon> List moar...
20100501 23:15:31< Aethaeryn> "Relationships that are bordering on abusive, where the people keep fighting and then getting back together, are the ideal. Eventually it'll just work out where they'll stick together."
20100501 23:15:51< Aethaeryn> "Sex is pretty much the goal of a relationship, btw. You're not serious unless you sleep with her."
20100501 23:16:33< Aethaeryn> "Oh, and the man can be pretty ugly, but it doesn't matter... He'll aim for and wind up with the hot chick. (This cannot be a good message to show women.)"
20100501 23:16:55< Aethaeryn> (Where basically, male actors can be whatever, but the female actresses *have* to be hot.)
20100501 23:17:15< Aethaeryn> None of these morals are good.
20100501 23:17:39< Espreon> Well, of course they aren't.
20100501 23:17:44< Aethaeryn> And these are just relationships in movies (comedies/action come to mind... the slacker part is particularly big in comedies).
20100501 23:18:37< Aethaeryn> Honestly, we're going to be passed by countries like China where the music, rather than saying, "Fuck school," says things like, "Work hard for our country to be prosperous in the name of our Glorious Leader."
20100501 23:19:12< Espreon> Let's see... languages to learn before I die: Old English, Old Norse, and Gothic. Languages I'd like to learn before I die: Coptic, Manchu, Sanskrit, Ancient Greek, (not Latin), ...
20100501 23:19:21< Espreon> ... Japanese...
20100501 23:19:21< Aethaeryn> 90% of anything is psychological. If you idolize slackers, people will be slackers. If you idolize hard work, people will work 20 hour shifts for $2 an hour.
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20100501 23:20:37< Aethaeryn> oh, here's something I see more in TV than movies.
20100501 23:21:00< Aethaeryn> "Moral: You can have a happy and successful family if you just give the kids lots and lots of stuff. Even if it's unhealthy food."
20100501 23:21:14< Aethaeryn> 'cuz that definitely works out well.
20100501 23:21:36< Aethaeryn> It's not like poorer countries are happier than America, thus disproving that thesis pretty well.
20100501 23:21:45< Aethaeryn> </sarcasm>
20100501 23:22:13< Aethaeryn> And we *definitely* need people linking fast food with cool, cereal and candy and soda with a happy childhood, etc.
20100501 23:22:26< Espreon> At least I know one Gothic word thanks to Spanish ('ganan').
20100501 23:22:56< Espreon> It's "ganar" in Spanish.
20100501 23:23:49< Aethaeryn> Maybe it's my childhood, but I'm very much against physical "stuff"... Digital stuff basically is the only thing I care about having. I'd be happy if my only possessions were my computer-related items.
20100501 23:24:28< Aethaeryn> It pains me to see people paying $40 for stuff that basically is made for $.10 an hour in an overseas sweatshop and just marked up insanely high.
20100501 23:24:39< Aethaeryn> People are stupid.
20100501 23:24:53< Aethaeryn> People pay too much for things with no utility.
20100501 23:25:07< zookeeper> maybe you should watch something other than really bad hollywood tv and movies?
20100501 23:25:19< Aethaeryn> I'm in America.
20100501 23:25:26< Aethaeryn> 95% of our media is crap.
20100501 23:25:30< Espreon> Indeed!
20100501 23:26:04< Aethaeryn> All that artsy/meaningful stuff has been outsourced to Europe for decades now :P
20100501 23:26:23< zookeeper> i meant crappy in the context of hollywood
20100501 23:26:30< Espreon> No, Aethaeryn, thou art wrong, 95% of it is irredeemable shit.
20100501 23:26:32< Aethaeryn> America takes capitalism too literly, where the goal of firms is to maximize profit.
20100501 23:26:48< Aethaeryn> In other words, they aim toward the lowest common denominator.
20100501 23:27:08< Aethaeryn> If they made a movie that was enjoyable to intellectuals, 95% of Americans wouldn't get it and the movie would be a bomb.
20100501 23:27:26< Aethaeryn> If they make a movie with boobs and explosions and motorcycle chases, it'll be a hit.
20100501 23:29:30< Aethaeryn> One of the reasons why I enjoy old literature is because it was from a time when literature was for the educated/intellectual elite, and wasn't as vulgar as today. Nowadays, our elite/rich isn't even well-educated. You wind up with spoiled brats abusing drugs.
20100501 23:29:54< loonycyborg> Even those 95% will probably get bored with that stuff eventually :P
20100501 23:30:56< Aethaeryn> American society is too empty and materialistic.
20100501 23:31:08< Aethaeryn> Where the hell is the meaning other than "fun"?
20100501 23:31:55< Aethaeryn> I am a very outgoing and talkative person in the right contexts, I just don't really seem to have a peer group, at least in my age range and region.
20100501 23:32:13 * Aethaeryn sighs.
20100501 23:33:14< zookeeper> want to name some shows or movies which fit in that 95% you've just described, but are at the very top?
20100501 23:33:29< Aethaeryn> ?
20100501 23:33:58< zookeeper> i have no idea what all you consider to be crap.
20100501 23:34:14< zookeeper> i know transformers and other obvious nonsense fits in there, but that's about it
20100501 23:34:27< Aethaeryn> Well, first, strike off all reality shows. They're shit slot-fillers.
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20100501 23:35:27< Aethaeryn> Also 99% of all comedies are rather stupid...
20100501 23:35:30< zookeeper> no, i said at the very top
20100501 23:35:39< Aethaeryn> The very top of the rubbish pile is anything that has "movie" in the title.
20100501 23:35:46< Aethaeryn> Such as "Date Movie," "Epic Movie," etc.
20100501 23:35:50< zookeeper> that's the bottom
20100501 23:35:57< Aethaeryn> oh, whatever
20100501 23:36:05< loonycyborg> "Avatar"? :P
20100501 23:36:13< Aethaeryn> But then most high-grossing films suck.
20100501 23:36:16< Aethaeryn> As do most horror.
20100501 23:36:32< Aethaeryn> So you wind up with three very shallow categories: extremely-well-selling, scary, and funny movies.
20100501 23:36:45< Aethaeryn> All of which fall flat for anyone with an IQ over 100.
20100501 23:36:50< zookeeper> yawn. can't you just name a few?
20100501 23:37:08< Aethaeryn> Okay.
20100501 23:37:16< Aethaeryn> "The Invention of Lying" was pretty awful, especially the second half.
20100501 23:37:41< Aethaeryn> "Inglorious Basterds" was pretty bad, too, especially the way they resolved it.
20100501 23:38:02< Aethaeryn> Just about every horror film I've seen in the last 5 years is crap.
20100501 23:38:16< zookeeper> of those two i've only seen the latter and i didn't really like it
20100501 23:38:20< Aethaeryn> Can't even remember the titles since they're all generic.
20100501 23:39:12< Aethaeryn> But basically, horror depends on two things (1) remaking things that were good many years ago and (2) lots of special effects and sudden scene switches, more aimed to making you jump out of surprise than to actually scare you.
20100501 23:39:57< zookeeper> so if you don't mind, could you also name just a few semi-recent hollywood movies which aren't crap?
20100501 23:40:19< Espreon> The only movies (of which I thought in five seconds) that really appeal to me: Godzilla movies, and "The Wizard of Oz".
20100501 23:40:44< Aethaeryn> Oh, sometimes they (horror movies) just wind up disgusting you with effects rather than making you jump (Saw series comes to mind here)
20100501 23:41:16< zookeeper> if i was asked what the best movie in the past 10 years is, i'd be inclined to name the dark knight since it's the only one which really jumps out from the crowd as a really good one
20100501 23:41:57< Aethaeryn> Idk, The Dark Knight is only really good on the first viewing. There was a sale on Amazon so I got it for about $4 on DVD, and it's nowhere near as good as when I first saw it in theatres.
20100501 23:42:20< Aethaeryn> But I would have to say that action is probably the only genre that has some good movies.
20100501 23:42:29< Aethaeryn> I haven't seen a really good comedy in ages.
20100501 23:43:06< Aethaeryn> Probably the lastest comedy I enjoyed was Hot Fuzz (from the same people as Shaun of the Dead)
20100501 23:43:32< Aethaeryn> that's 2007
20100501 23:44:38< Aethaeryn> In the action realm, I liked "National Treasure"
20100501 23:45:25< zookeeper> as for tv shows...well, let's see, good ones i've watched in recent years: deadwood, prison break, bsg, true blood, flashforward
20100501 23:45:29< Aethaeryn> I liked Serenity too
20100501 23:45:46< Aethaeryn> so, really, a lot of the films I liked are in the 2004-2007 range. :P
20100501 23:46:19< Aethaeryn> LotR probably dominates the 2001-2003 range
20100501 23:46:52< Aethaeryn> I liked the first Matrix movie, which pushes me back even further, to 1999 :P
20100501 23:48:02< Aethaeryn> I basically like action, especially with scifi or fantasy elements.
20100501 23:48:26< Aethaeryn> And good comedy, which seems to be British :P
20100501 23:49:09< zookeeper> i can't stand most comedy
20100501 23:49:19< Aethaeryn> Same.
20100501 23:49:32< zookeeper> there's an occasional gem even from hollywood, like man on the moon (first thing which sprang to mind)
20100501 23:50:09< Aethaeryn> Often comedy either is (a) way too vulgar/sexual/crude or (b) just a string of loosely connected pop-culture references that isn't that funny on release and even less funny by the time I wind up renting it.
20100501 23:50:25< Aethaeryn> Usually b also has lots of elements of a
20100501 23:50:59< Aethaeryn> If there is a movie I stopped watching half way through and never bothered finishing, odds are it's a comedy that is awful.
20100501 23:51:31< Aethaeryn> Note that there's probably fewer good horror films than good comedies, though.
20100501 23:52:20< zookeeper> cube was nice
20100501 23:52:54< Aethaeryn> The problem with movies is the time limitations.
20100501 23:53:03< Aethaeryn> A lot of good movies are either epic in length or even trilogies.
20100501 23:53:15< Aethaeryn> (planned trilogies, not ones with sequels tacked on)
20100501 23:54:57< Aethaeryn> The reasons relationships and character development seem rushed and unconvincing is because they are.
20100501 23:55:25< zookeeper> i still don't see why you watch all that much crap
20100501 23:55:28< Aethaeryn> Actually, a well-done TV series is probably better than most movies because if you watch it back-to-back there's much more time they can have to work on being more believable and having more depth.
20100501 23:56:07< Aethaeryn> Well, if you've noticed from my list of examples, I haven't really watched much since '08
20100501 23:56:23< Aethaeryn> Too hard to separate the wheat from the chaff.
20100501 23:59:02< Aethaeryn> America puts a very high premium on entertainment. There's a reason we export so much in the realm of movies, TV, and music.
20100501 23:59:42< Aethaeryn> America's had too much luxury since the '50s.
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