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20100502 00:00:04< Aethaeryn> The hardest working people I've met aren't Americans.
20100502 00:00:41< Aethaeryn> And even when it comes to entertaining things like learning dead languages, programming, or making stuff for Wesnoth, you don't get anything accomplished without hard work.
20100502 00:05:22< Aethaeryn> Unfortunately, it seems Americans work hardest in sports and don't give a damn about working hard on intellectual pursuits.
20100502 00:07:15< Espreon> Yeah...
20100502 00:07:45< Aethaeryn> If our culture glorified mathematics half as much as it did sports, we'd be a much smarter place.
20100502 00:08:00< Aethaeryn> Mathematics itself is rather dull, but you can only get to the interesting things by applying it.
20100502 00:08:22< Aethaeryn> Everything from economics to physics to programming requires at least some baseline of mathematical knowledge.
20100502 00:08:33< Aethaeryn> Even philosophy has logic, which is basically just math without numbers.
20100502 00:09:56< zookeeper> well, at least we aren't making gross generalizations!
20100502 00:10:04< Aethaeryn> If kids don't learn enough math, basically every constructive area is ruled out
20100502 00:10:19< Aethaeryn> Sciences, technology, economics, engineering, etc.
20100502 00:10:33< Aethaeryn> The kinds of jobs that create wealth in the new post-industrial economy.
20100502 00:10:57< Aethaeryn> Yeah, I get to make gross generalizations here. :P
20100502 00:12:12< Aethaeryn> Most of the stuff that makes money upon graduation requires some math knowledge.
20100502 00:12:37< Aethaeryn> There's a corrolation between math and income.
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20100502 00:55:23 * Espreon wishes that Shavian had support for "wh" like it has support for both rhotic and non-rhotic pronunciations.
20100502 00:59:23< Aethaeryn> what?
20100502 00:59:39< Aethaeryn> where is "wh" used in the English language?
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20100502 00:59:52< Aethaeryn> and if it is its own sound, who left it out?
20100502 01:00:51< Aethaeryn> And why did they do that?
20100502 01:01:41< Aethaeryn> Someone should whack that person on the head to knock some sense into them.
20100502 01:02:03< Aethaeryn> Maybe drop a whale on them. Wham! Suddenly they'll regret it.
20100502 01:02:52< Aethaeryn> But whatever the reason, one must wonder how they transliterate words with "wh" like "wheat" or "wheelbarrow"
20100502 01:03:13< Aethaeryn> or even "wheeze"
20100502 01:03:32< Aethaeryn> and how do they spell "Troll Whelp"?
20100502 01:04:19< Aethaeryn> But I suppose we shouldn't whine about such an ommision.
20100502 01:04:54< Aethaeryn> Maybe one day they'll say "whoops, we should append this while we still can"
20100502 01:05:34< Aethaeryn> I'll brb, I need to check on my black-and-white cat, Whiskers.
20100502 01:06:39< Aethaeryn> And I think someone might have whispered to me in-game.
20100502 01:10:07< Aethaeryn> Woah, I'm clever enough to keep going on since I've barely scratched the surface and there's a whole lot more I can do... Whoops, almost left out a "wh" this line, and I do want to check on my cat.
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20100502 01:12:03< Aethaeryn> Which, I suppose, brings me to my conclusion. Carry on, Espreon. Carry on doing what you were doing...
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20100502 01:28:32< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Well, many people pronounce the "h" in the "wh" digraph, and as I am a true Anglophile, so do I.
20100502 01:28:56< Espreon> ... it's just that most of this country experienced the "wine-whine" merger.
20100502 01:32:18< Espreon> Aethaeryn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine-whine_merger
20100502 01:32:33< Espreon> The wine-whine merger is the cancer that is killing... something...
20100502 01:33:59< Espreon> IDK how "hw" became "wh"... but... yeahz...
20100502 01:34:08< Espreon> Yes, it was "hw" in OE.
20100502 01:39:57< Aethaeryn> I am not an Anglophile :P
20100502 01:40:30< Aethaeryn> Maybe it's because my heritage looks like a diverse map of (not-powerful countries in) Europe, but I don't really have any ethnocentrism.
20100502 01:41:46< Aethaeryn> Lithuania is a Baltic state. Italy is a Medeterranean state. Slovakia is a northwestern (contrasted with Yugoslavia and Russia) Slavic state. I don't have any one subgroup or anything that I could claim in my heritage
20100502 01:42:06< shadowmaster> GAAA!
20100502 01:42:28< Aethaeryn> I'm not even truly Slovak, my father's family is of a Byzantine Catholic (as opposed to orthodox, I believe) and ethnically-distinct group of far eastern Slovakia.
20100502 01:42:38< Aethaeryn> I'm a minority in that sense. :P
20100502 01:42:57< shadowmaster> GAAAAAAaaAaAaa!
20100502 01:43:13< shadowmaster> does that scare you?
20100502 01:43:27< Aethaeryn> Considering it's coming from someone called shadowmaster, yes.
20100502 01:43:41< Aethaeryn> Either that's speak-on-death talk or your evil plans were foiled?
20100502 01:44:49< shadowmaster> the latter, kind of
20100502 01:45:03< shadowmaster> completely unrelated to Wesnoth, but still frustrating
20100502 01:45:46< Espreon> Uh, OK...
20100502 01:46:52< Aethaeryn> Is it those elves again?
20100502 01:47:09< shadowmaster> unrelated to Wesnoth ,I said
20100502 01:47:26< shadowmaster> or Irdya, if you prefer
20100502 01:48:24< Espreon> Aethaeryn: OK, here's how it is for me: I'm German, French (hopefully very little), Irish, and Polish. My French side surrendered to my German side, noöne cares about the Irish, and Slavic languages are annoying... so... yeahz...
20100502 01:58:00< AI0867> english, scottish, dutch, at least two types of asian and then some more stuff I forgot
20100502 01:59:11< shadowmaster> wesbot: seen noy
20100502 01:59:11<+wesbot> shadowmaster: The person with the nick noy last spoke 4d 20h ago.  7h 27m ago was here and on the channels #wesnoth and #wesnoth-dev with the message: Quit: noy
20100502 01:59:18< shadowmaster> 7 hour ago?
20100502 01:59:35< shadowmaster> uh, dammit
20100502 02:03:50< Espreon> AI0867: Real English, as in Anglo-Saxon?
20100502 02:05:18< shadowmaster> @namespace url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul");
20100502 02:05:22< shadowmaster> :|
20100502 02:05:31< Espreon> Uh... why?
20100502 02:05:43< Espreon> Oh wow...
20100502 02:06:13< shadowmaster> Espreon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XUL#The_name
20100502 02:07:03< Espreon> God damn it...
20100502 02:08:10< Espreon> got.wikipedia.org... Yay!
20100502 02:08:28< shadowmaster> the fuck?
20100502 02:08:37< shadowmaster> what is this?
20100502 02:09:08< shadowmaster> Espreon: what is this translation?
20100502 02:17:24< Espreon> shadowmaster: Gothic.
20100502 02:17:26< CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r7048 /branches/1.8/Aethaeryns_Maps/scenarios/5p_Master_of_Dungeons.cfg: Submitting a bugfix for the shop that Bob_The_Mighty provided a long time ago.
20100502 02:17:38< shadowmaster> D:
20100502 02:17:47< Espreon> shadowmaster: You could have just read the English text...
20100502 02:17:59< shadowmaster> where is the English text?
20100502 02:18:07< Espreon> Under the pic.
20100502 02:18:20< shadowmaster> under what pi- OOOOHHH.
20100502 02:18:37 * Espreon rolls his eyes
20100502 02:18:49< Espreon> Get a Gothic font... nao...
20100502 02:19:04< shadowmaster> er, why?
20100502 02:19:08< Espreon> Because.
20100502 02:19:21< shadowmaster> I think I don't need to
20100502 02:19:23< shadowmaster> it seems to work
20100502 02:19:29< Espreon> Good.
20100502 02:19:36< Espreon> Screenshot please.
20100502 02:20:09< Espreon> shadowmaster: Remember those rubber bands I told you about the other day?
20100502 02:20:12< shadowmaster> yes
20100502 02:20:19< Espreon> Apparently, they are popular with kids their age... :(
20100502 02:20:21< Espreon> WHY!
20100502 02:20:21< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/got.png
20100502 02:20:33< Espreon> Cool.
20100502 02:23:58< shadowmaster> this has got to be a spambot: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=425552#p425552
20100502 02:24:20< shadowmaster> only time will tell, grr
20100502 02:25:12< shadowmaster> it's still possible I'm just being paranoid
20100502 02:34:42< AI0867> my font doesn't have those characters
20100502 02:34:51< AI0867> the ones on the gothic wikipedia
20100502 02:35:30< AI0867> they're boxes with unicode character numbers
20100502 02:35:40< Espreon> AI0867: Then get a Gothic font.
20100502 02:35:45< AI0867> which one?
20100502 02:35:49< Espreon> Hold on...
20100502 02:35:51< AI0867> give me a package name
20100502 02:36:45< Espreon> I use Damase; 'ttf-mph-2b-damase
20100502 02:36:52< Espreon> ' will... yeahz...
20100502 02:37:48< shadowmaster> body { font-family: Skeirs, Code2001, MPH 2B Damase, alphabetum, cardo, vulcanius, sans-serif;
20100502 02:37:51< shadowmaster> {
20100502 02:37:51< Espreon> Which reminds me, I need to install a font for Mongolian/Manchu.
20100502 02:37:53< shadowmaster> consider that
20100502 02:38:20< shadowmaster> apt-file might help with finding the package
20100502 02:39:04< Espreon> No, wait, I don't. I just need to get a font that doesn't suck.
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20100502 02:40:21< Espreon> Same with Tibetan.
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20100502 03:09:19< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Take a look at the new savanna.
20100502 03:10:50< shadowmaster> ../include/trap_inline_asm.h:149:46: error: #elif with no expressio
20100502 03:10:51< shadowmaster> bleh
20100502 03:11:14< Espreon> What beeth that?
20100502 03:11:37< shadowmaster> some program of mine
20100502 03:14:11< Espreon> The new savanna is very nice.
20100502 03:14:23< Espreon> I see actual blades of grass instead of... yeahz...
20100502 03:16:26< Espreon> And the mosquitos are coming back...
20100502 03:18:53< AI0867> Espreon: http://got.wikipedia.org/wiki/𐌷𐌰𐌿𐌱𐌹𐌳𐌰𐍃𐌴𐌹𐌳𐍉/ᚺᚨᚢᛒᛁᛞᚨᛊᛖᛁᛞᛟ
20100502 03:19:06< AI0867> for some reason, my runes are all colorful though
20100502 03:19:19< shadowmaster> freetype
20100502 03:19:22< shadowmaster> must die
20100502 03:19:33< Espreon> AI0867: Oh no, not you too!
20100502 03:19:44< Espreon> FreeType needs to perish!
20100502 03:20:15< shadowmaster> consider switching to MacOS X.
20100502 03:20:15< AI0867> is there a replacement yet?
20100502 03:20:27< shadowmaster> I've heard that their font rendering rocks or something
20100502 03:20:27< Espreon> shadowmaster: Ewwwwww...
20100502 03:20:33< Espreon> Hmmmm....
20100502 03:21:04< Espreon> AI0867: Your link didn't get me anywhere.
20100502 03:21:23< shadowmaster> either that or bug those funny freetype people about it
20100502 03:21:42< Espreon> AI0867: Was it a runic version of the main page?
20100502 03:21:53< AI0867> yes
20100502 03:22:06< AI0867> http://got.wikipedia.org/wiki/𐌷𐌰𐌿𐌱𐌹𐌳𐌰𐍃𐌴𐌹𐌳𐍉/Haubidaseido <-- latin version, quite readable, even though I don't know gothic or spanish
20100502 03:22:15< shadowmaster> scons wesnoth-deps.png takes long
20100502 03:22:53< Espreon> AI0867: What does Spanish have to do with it?
20100502 03:23:15< AI0867> one of the closer descendants?
20100502 03:23:28< Espreon> Uh... no.
20100502 03:23:36< Espreon> All Eastern Germanic languages are dead.
20100502 03:23:42< Espreon> Spanish is a Romance language.
20100502 03:23:47< shadowmaster> true
20100502 03:23:51< Espreon> It just happens that it has some Gothic words living on it it.
20100502 03:23:55< Espreon> Such as "ganar".
20100502 03:24:02< shadowmaster> o rly
20100502 03:24:02< Espreon> *in it
20100502 03:24:06< Espreon> shadowmaster: Yes.
20100502 03:24:15< shadowmaster> proof or it didn't happen
20100502 03:24:24< Espreon> "ganan" -> "ganar"
20100502 03:24:37< shadowmaster> citation needed you fool
20100502 03:24:44< shadowmaster> I WANT A CITATION
20100502 03:24:52< Espreon> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ganar#Spanish
20100502 03:24:53< Espreon> There.
20100502 03:25:08< Espreon> Also, all of your basic directions come from OE.
20100502 03:25:14 * shadowmaster bites shikadibot 
20100502 03:25:15 * shikadibot swallows shadowmaster
20100502 03:25:15< Espreon> (Meaning, things such as "north")
20100502 03:25:37< shadowmaster> goddamned visigoths
20100502 03:26:15< Espreon> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/norte#Spanish
20100502 03:26:46< shadowmaster> they ruined our culture with their stupid language and those funny-looking black-dressing kids
20100502 03:26:54< shadowmaster> and canned food
20100502 03:27:21< Espreon> Ha ha!
20100502 03:28:48< Espreon> When I said that all of your basic directions come from OE, this is true with pretty much all Romance languages.
20100502 03:31:45< Espreon> shadowmaster: Blame the British for those lame kids.
20100502 03:32:17< Espreon> ... or just blame Romanticism... or something.
20100502 03:38:08< shadowmaster> scons wesnoth-deps.png still working.
20100502 03:38:21< AI0867> wut
20100502 03:38:28< AI0867> oh, depgraph
20100502 03:38:35< AI0867> does scons do that?
20100502 03:39:00< shadowmaster> probably
20100502 03:39:07< shadowmaster> I won't know until it finishes
20100502 03:39:15< CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7049 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/maps/02_The_Crypt_Kings_Chamber.map: TSL: tweaked the map of the king's chamber.
20100502 03:40:40 * Espreon wishes that KDE had better support for Shavian.
20100502 03:40:48< shadowmaster> BLAME FREETYPE
20100502 03:40:57< shadowmaster> FREETYPE DID IT
20100502 03:40:58< Espreon> It has nothing to do with FreeType.
20100502 03:41:04< shadowmaster> FREETYPE DOES EVERYTHING
20100502 03:41:12< AI0867> FREETYPE RAISED HITLER
20100502 03:41:26< shadowmaster> yeah...right
20100502 03:41:28< Espreon> In Qt apps, if any Shavian characters are present and when you try to type something else, it all just goes crazy.
20100502 03:41:44< Espreon> Now, FreeType does have the Shavian characters too close together...
20100502 03:41:53< Espreon> But, that's a different story.
20100502 03:42:29< Espreon> Now, Shavian plays nicely with GTK apps.
20100502 03:43:05< shadowmaster> okay, the go kick Nokia's asses or something
20100502 03:43:08< shadowmaster> *then
20100502 03:43:16< Espreon> God knows where they are.
20100502 03:43:19< shadowmaster> I'm not too happy with Qt4 atm either
20100502 03:43:32< shadowmaster> I'm still blaming them for KDE 4's slowness ;)
20100502 03:43:53< Espreon> Oh wow, they are Finnish.
20100502 03:44:13< Espreon> Why don't we all just go find FreeType's devs IRL and kick their asses? LOL.
20100502 03:45:34< AI0867> because it won't really help anything. freetype has way too much history
20100502 03:45:37< AI0867> http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/06/catastrafont.html
20100502 03:46:04< shadowmaster> THE APOSTROPHE GOES AFTER THE S
20100502 03:46:08< shadowmaster> YOU HEATHENS!
20100502 03:51:34< shadowmaster> you can't talk about font-rendering being all fucked up in Linux if your blog's title FAILS AT ENGLISH
20100502 03:52:02< shadowmaster> and don't say that it's supposed to be singular because it obvioulsy isn't!
20100502 03:52:17< shadowmaster> that said, maybe you two can find something to help you in my .fonts.conf (not guaranteed)
20100502 03:52:28< shadowmaster> no path found from files to level3-groups at /usr/share/perl5/graphincludes/renderer/dot.pm line 106
20100502 03:52:32< shadowmaster> crap
20100502 03:52:49< shadowmaster> I guess that means I won't have a deps graph
20100502 03:53:42< shadowmaster> well, .fonts.conf : http://pastebin.com/naJBkHc0
20100502 03:54:21< shadowmaster> there's lots of code I copied and pasted from a distro whose font rendering I liked, apparently openSUSE 11.0
20100502 03:54:58< shadowmaster> and some other code, er, config, came from long trial-and-error tests with help from the fontconfig documentation
20100502 03:57:11< shadowmaster> FWIW, my personal fonts most of them taken from Windows: http://pastebin.com/u9HUvTkA
20100502 03:57:50< shadowmaster> no idea how to get a list with the human-readable names
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20100502 04:01:10< Espreon> AI0867: Hmmmm... perhaps I should weaken Tyurnio... what do you think?
20100502 04:03:30< Espreon> Also, did you take a look at the king chamber's map?
20100502 04:05:05< AI0867> I opened it in the editor
20100502 04:05:20< Espreon> Did you get teh message?
20100502 04:05:27< AI0867> which one?
20100502 04:06:22< Espreon> The one written with the braziers.
20100502 04:11:09< AI0867> nothing in my logs it seems
20100502 04:11:20< Espreon> AI0867: No, on the map.
20100502 04:16:05< Espreon> There's a message written with the braziers in the form of runes on teh map...
20100502 04:17:12< Espreon> GOD DAMN IT FREETYPE!
20100502 04:18:59< Espreon> AI0867; shadowmaster: http://imagebin.org/95238
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20100502 04:20:51< Espreon> AI0867; shadowmaster: If you are curious where I got a font that supports hieroglyphs: http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/Aegyptus311.zip
20100502 04:21:10< Espreon> ... and yes, Unicode for hieroglyphics is very recent (October last year, I believe).
20100502 04:21:15< Espreon> *Unicode support
20100502 04:28:22< Espreon> ... and of course mute never worse here.
20100502 04:28:26< Espreon> *works
20100502 04:30:01< CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7050 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/scenarios/02_The_Crypt_bossfight.cfg: TSL: corrected a reference to a variable.
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20100502 04:33:55< AI0867> d?rf ?
20100502 04:34:29< Espreon> "steorf" actually.
20100502 04:35:07< AI0867> sterf?
20100502 04:35:37< Espreon> "Steorf" comes from "steorfan", which means "to die" in Old English.
20100502 04:35:53< AI0867> same in dutch
20100502 04:35:54< Espreon> "Steorf" is conjugated in the imperative mood; second-person.
20100502 04:36:06< Espreon> Yes, "starve" comes from "steorfan".
20100502 04:36:08< AI0867> again, same
20100502 04:36:22< AI0867> not the starve part though
20100502 04:37:00< Espreon> I made that map when I was really pissed...
20100502 04:37:15< iElendil> hey guys :) this is king elendil from my new iPod touch :D
20100502 04:37:24< Espreon> Cool.
20100502 04:38:06< Espreon> AI0867: The first rune in the message is called "stan".
20100502 04:38:22< Espreon> "Stan" means "stone" in OE, BTW.
20100502 04:38:28< AI0867> looks a lot like the D
20100502 04:38:35< Espreon> ... and of course, I used the less-stylized variant of it.
20100502 04:39:21< Espreon> Meh, I chose the less-stylize variant, because I thought it looked too much like dæg.
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20100502 04:39:37< Espreon> *because the stylized version
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20100502 04:39:59< Espreon> AI0867: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxon_runes
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20100502 04:41:58< AI0867> ah
20100502 04:42:20< Espreon> Besides, the stylized version is harder to draw on a map.
20100502 04:42:49< Espreon> AI0867: I noticed that OE and Dutch are very similar in some aspects...
20100502 04:42:56< AI0867> the Eihwaz looks like the Sowilo though
20100502 04:43:20< AI0867> a very similar word also remains in german
20100502 04:43:36< AI0867> I believe it's 'starb'
20100502 04:43:46< Espreon> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/slaan#Conjugation and http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/slean#Conjugation
20100502 04:43:51< Espreon> Notice the participles.
20100502 04:43:57< AI0867> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sterben#German
20100502 04:44:55< Espreon> Yeah, sigel and eoh are a bit similar...
20100502 04:45:33< AI0867> the slean conjugations look more like german than modern dutch though
20100502 04:46:13< AI0867> not that there was much of a difference between those two in older times though
20100502 04:46:53< AI0867> most duch people are unaware that the word 'gij' even exists
20100502 04:47:49< Espreon> Yeah, we're all Western Germanic languages.
20100502 04:47:58< Espreon> Blame the Normans for ruining the fun with English.
20100502 04:49:01< AI0867> we still have two different second-person singulars though: jij and u
20100502 04:49:11< AI0867> where the meaning of 'u' should be obvious
20100502 04:49:23< Espreon> Well, yeah.
20100502 04:49:24< AI0867> it's also the formal variety
20100502 04:49:40< AI0867> in plural, it's 'jullie' and 'u'
20100502 04:49:42< Espreon> Well, I am sure that most people who speak English are aware of "thou"'s existence.
20100502 04:49:55< AI0867> mainly because of shakespear though
20100502 04:50:22< AI0867> oh, and the bible of course
20100502 04:50:29< Espreon> Better knowing it than being ignorant.
20100502 04:50:59< AI0867> we already have 2 varieties
20100502 04:51:14< AI0867> even I don't have a clue what version 'gij' should be
20100502 04:51:28< Espreon> I wonder if "gij" used to be the original second-person pronoun.
20100502 04:51:33< Espreon> That's the case in English.
20100502 04:51:48< Espreon> "Thou" was just... "thou"... *the* second-person pronoun.
20100502 04:52:24< AI0867> wiktionary says informal/formal/regional
20100502 04:52:59< AI0867> but that's just because the flanders still use it
20100502 04:53:03< Espreon> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/you#Etymology
20100502 04:53:13< Espreon> AI0867: What? "Gij"?
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20100502 04:54:36< AI0867> jij/u/gij
20100502 04:54:53< Espreon> Ah, yeah.
20100502 04:55:02< AI0867> and yes, the dutch-speaking part of belgium uses it as the standard second person pronoun in their dialect
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20100502 04:55:46< Espreon> AI0867: If you were reading "you"'s etymology... here: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ge#Old_English
20100502 04:56:14< AI0867> according to that etymology, both 'jij' and 'u' come from the same ancestor
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20100502 04:58:31< Espreon> AI0867: The "ultimate" origin of "thou": http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Proto-Indo-European_*t%C3%BAh%E2%82%82
20100502 04:58:34< AI0867> again, I'm off =P
20100502 04:59:09< Espreon> Awwwww...
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20100502 08:18:47< CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7051 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/scenarios/02_The_Crypt.cfg: TSL: add moar mgots and an event that leads to the collapse of the first pillar.
20100502 08:23:22< CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: faabumc * r7052 /trunk/Nightmares_of_Meloen/ (7 files in 3 dirs): NoM: rename arcane_focus damage type into "antiarcane" and stare attack into "blame".
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20100502 08:32:55< CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: faabumc * r7053 /trunk/Nightmares_of_Meloen/po/pl.po: NoM I10N: add polish translation.
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20100502 14:54:07< CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: faabumc * r7054 /trunk/Nightmares_of_Meloen/po/pl.po: NoM I10N: update polish translation.
20100502 16:39:00< shadowmaster> FAAB: regarding your patch...
20100502 16:39:15< shadowmaster> is this your first patch for mainline ever? I don't see a credits and changelog diff in it
20100502 16:39:23< FAAB> yes it is
20100502 16:39:57< FAAB> o right changing the changelog
20100502 16:40:06< shadowmaster> so, do you think you could attach a separate diff for data/core/about.cfg and the changelog? you are supposed to add yourself to Miscellaneous contributors
20100502 16:40:26< shadowmaster> and add a changelog entry for the change, of course (this being a user-visible change it could also guarantee a change in players_changelog)
20100502 16:40:44< FAAB> I will
20100502 16:40:50< FAAB> is the C++ fine ?
20100502 16:41:20< shadowmaster> It seems so. I'm just reading it andabout to apply and test compiling it
20100502 16:42:03< FAAB> ok, in the meantime I will add an entry in the changelog
20100502 16:42:43< shadowmaster> and credits!
20100502 16:45:47< FAAB> will do
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20100502 16:47:20< Aethaeryn> wesbot: seen esr
20100502 16:47:20<+wesbot> Aethaeryn: The person with the nick esr last spoke 3d 4h ago.  2d 2h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth-dev with the message: Remote host closed the connection
20100502 16:47:28< Aethaeryn> :o
20100502 16:54:04< FAAB> shadowmaster: done (I assumed credits are in data/core/about.cfg)
20100502 16:57:11< shadowmaster> as I said above
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20100502 17:29:33< Aethaeryn> Okay, preparing to tag Aethaeryn's Maps 0.5.1
20100502 17:29:51< Aethaeryn> Just want to add one more summoner type: fire (for drakes)
20100502 17:30:27< Aethaeryn> then I'll update branches/1.8 && trunk
20100502 17:32:19< Aethaeryn> (oh, bash, you will never know how you affect my syntax)
20100502 17:32:59< shadowmaster> FAAB: your patch triggers a few warnings
20100502 17:33:38< shadowmaster> s
20100502 17:33:45< shadowmaster> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/3mgXaphE
20100502 17:33:50< FAAB> ok, I will check that
20100502 17:34:39< shadowmaster> I'm still compiling, so I can't check it in action yet
20100502 17:35:36< Aethaeryn> Is there anything of the element fire other than drakes/dragons in mainline Wesnoth?
20100502 17:35:46< Aethaeryn> The red mage line, too, but they can be the summoners for this path
20100502 17:36:07< Aethaeryn> goblin pillager perhaps :S
20100502 17:37:30< zookeeper> orcish archer, troll shaman
20100502 17:37:48< Aethaeryn> troll shaman is already in as a summoner since he does magic
20100502 17:38:12< Aethaeryn> the orcs are arguably not of the element fire since they do it with mechanical assistance, I guess I'll stick to drakes
20100502 17:39:07< FAAB> shadowmaster: how can it be that I have the flag -Wall set but I got no warning when compiling ?
20100502 17:39:29< shadowmaster> do you see -Wno-unused ?
20100502 17:39:56< FAAB> my flags: -Werror -Wno-unused-parameter -Wno-strict-aliasing -O2 -W -Wall
20100502 17:40:13< shadowmaster> the -Wno-unused-parameter disables the aforementioned warning
20100502 17:41:08< FAAB> ok, what should I change to enable them ? Makefile.in ?
20100502 17:41:13< shadowmaster> also do you think you could join #wesnoth-dev? we should be talking about this stuff there
20100502 17:42:11< FAAB> sure
20100502 18:34:35< CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r7055 /branches/1.8/Aethaeryns_Maps/ (changelog dist/VERSION scenarios/5p_Master_of_Dungeons.cfg): Adding fire summoners/enemies; allowing placement of village terrain; exp modifier to 100; ready for 0.5.1 release.
20100502 18:37:20< CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r7056 /branches/1.8/Aethaeryns_Maps/changelog: Minor change before tagging 0.5.1
20100502 18:38:32< CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r7057 /trunk/Aethaeryns_Maps/ (changelog dist/VERSION scenarios/5p_Master_of_Dungeons.cfg): Synchronizing trunk with 1.8 again.
20100502 18:38:40< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Do I just do an SVN copy to tag?
20100502 18:38:54< shadowmaster> yes
20100502 18:39:01< shadowmaster> you might prefer to use a remote copy though
20100502 18:40:04< Aethaeryn> syntax?
20100502 18:41:05< shadowmaster> svn cp <reporoot>/path/to/canonical_basedir <reporoot>/tags/path/to/canonical_basedir/version
20100502 18:41:19< shadowmaster> shikadibot: repo
20100502 18:41:19<+shikadibot> Repository URI: http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/wesnoth-umc-dev
20100502 18:41:30< shadowmaster> so for IftU 2.0 it'd be
20100502 18:41:57< shadowmaster> svn cp https://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/wesnoth-umc-dev/trunk/Invasion_from_the_Unknown https://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/wesnoth-umc-dev/tags/trunk/Invasion_from_the_Unknown/2.0.0
20100502 18:42:00< CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: faabumc * r7058 /trunk/Nightmares_of_Meloen/po/pl.po: NoM I10N: apply some formating to the polish translation.
20100502 18:44:21< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: hmm... Should I copy the tag of Aethaeryn's Maps 0.5.0 from trunk to 1.8 as well? It's been sufficiently long enough up on 1.8 that it's basically my initial 1.8 release
20100502 18:45:07< shadowmaster> 1.8 to 1.8, trunk to trunk
20100502 18:45:34< Aethaeryn> yeah, but I was wondering if I should copy the tag that exists right now under trunk for Aethaeryn's Maps 0.5 because it basically became a 1.8 release.
20100502 18:46:12< shadowmaster> no
20100502 18:46:15< Aethaeryn> ok
20100502 18:46:19< shadowmaster> 1.8 to 1.8, trunk to trunk
20100502 18:46:32< shadowmaster> don't do silly games with the svn history. Don't copy a tag into another tag either, that's just silly
20100502 18:46:36< Aethaeryn> alright.
20100502 18:46:48< Aethaeryn> so it's just coincidental that the 1.7/trunk release of my mappack was up so long on 1.8
20100502 18:46:58< Aethaeryn> and it was a trunk release.
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20100502 18:50:24< CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r7059 /branches/1.8/Aethaeryns_Maps/changelog: Whoops, one more changelog tweak before tagging.
20100502 18:53:22< Aethaeryn> bah, path not found error!
20100502 18:53:32< shadowmaster> shikadibot: dir tags
20100502 18:53:32<+shikadibot> Web interface URL to directory tags: http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wesnoth-umc-dev/tags
20100502 18:53:46< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: could you please create an Aethaeryns_Maps directory in tags/1.8 so I can tag?
20100502 18:55:08< CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r7060 /tags/1.8/Aethaeryns_Maps/: Admin: create an Aethaeryns_Maps directory in tags/1.8 so Aethaeryn can tag
20100502 18:55:20< shadowmaster> done
20100502 18:55:24< Aethaeryn> ty
20100502 18:55:36< CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r7061 /tags/1.8/Aethaeryns_Maps/0.5.1/: Tagging Aethaeryn's Maps version 0.5.1 for 1.8.
20100502 18:55:41< Aethaeryn> I saved off the command on my handy list of commands I'll probably forget. I won't need to nag you next time.
20100502 18:55:50< shadowmaster> make it a script
20100502 18:58:51< Aethaeryn> Published. :)
20100502 18:59:06< Aethaeryn> Hopefully there'll be no bugs or else I'll have to tag a 0.5.2 pretty soon :P
20100502 19:02:28< CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r7062 /branches/1.8/Aethaeryns_Maps/ (changelog dist/VERSION): Post-release version is 0.5.1+svn.
20100502 19:03:13< CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r7063 /trunk/Aethaeryns_Maps/ (changelog dist/VERSION): Post-release version is 0.5.1+svn.
20100502 19:03:19< Aethaeryn> There, now I can keep working on my mappack without being bugged by "when will this be on the server"
20100502 19:03:40< CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r7064 /branches/maintenance-toolchain/mktag-remote: Admin: Little script for making remote tags, for Aethaeryn and anyone who can use it
20100502 19:03:49< Aethaeryn> cool
20100502 19:06:03< CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r7065 /branches/maintenance-toolchain/mktag-remote: Admin: add a --help switch to mktag-remote
20100502 19:06:10< shadowmaster> there
20100502 19:06:51< shadowmaster> well, not quite
20100502 19:07:16< CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r7066 /branches/maintenance-toolchain/ (mktag-remote umctag-remote): Admin: rename mktag-remote to umctag-remote to avoid confusion
20100502 19:07:45< shadowmaster> okay now
20100502 19:08:04< shadowmaster> you can just copy it to your /home/<user>/bin or /usr/local/bin dir
20100502 19:10:49< loonycyborg> Maybe that utility should be made part of subversion distribution :P
20100502 19:11:25< shadowmaster> no, because it assumes wesnoth-umc-dev's non-standard structure
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20100502 22:01:24< Espreon> shadowmaster: Ah, you finally got it in.
20100502 22:07:29< Espreon> Aethaeryn: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=425882#p425882
20100502 23:02:00< AI0867> shikadibot: file /branches/maintenance-toolchain/umctag-remote
20100502 23:02:01<+shikadibot> Web interface URL to file /branches/maintenance-toolchain/umctag-remote: http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wesnoth-umc-dev/branches/maintenance-toolchain/umctag-remote?view=log
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