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20100503 01:02:00< AI0867> a good (though somewhat old) explanation of why RSS needs to die that I was recently reminded of: http://diveintomark.org/archives/2004/02/04/incompatible-rss
20100503 01:13:02< loonycyborg> I've never used RSS so it already dead for me :P
20100503 01:13:50< loonycyborg> (If something that never have been born can be considered dead)
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20100503 02:56:15< shadowmaster> Espreon: no, I didn't.
20100503 02:56:27< shadowmaster> that's not tagtool and it's far from being as awesome as tagtool was supposed to be
20100503 02:58:53< Espreon> Oh...
20100503 02:59:24< shadowmaster> LIBSVN DID IT
20100503 02:59:27< shadowmaster> LIBSVN MUST DIE
20100503 03:00:02< Espreon> shadowmaster: http://imagebin.org/95238 ... Sigh...
20100503 03:00:24< Espreon> Freeype needs to die.
20100503 03:00:28< Espreon> *FreeType
20100503 03:01:05< shadowmaster> that looks funny
20100503 03:01:14< Espreon> What does?
20100503 03:01:16< Espreon> The colors?
20100503 03:01:19< shadowmaster> the screenshot
20100503 03:01:23< shadowmaster> and yeah, because of the colors
20100503 03:01:33< shadowmaster> are those hieroglyphs?
20100503 03:01:36< Espreon> Yup.
20100503 03:01:56< Espreon> Support for them was recently added to Unicode (October last year, I believe).
20100503 03:02:08< Espreon> That font is Aegyptus, BTW.
20100503 03:02:58< shadowmaster> not that I'm interested in reading hieorhlyphs
20100503 03:03:01< shadowmaster> hieroglyphs
20100503 03:04:21< CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7067 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/maps/02_The_Crypt_Floor_1.map: TSL: added a map for floor one.
20100503 03:04:37< CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7068 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/images/units/elementals/ (windherder-attack.png windherder.png zephyr.png): TSL: ran umcpropfix.
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20100503 03:05:23< Espreon> "High-quality" my ass.
20100503 03:05:46< Espreon> (FreeType's description in Portage)
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20100503 03:05:55< Espreon> *From...
20100503 03:09:31< Espreon> OK, goodbyez...
20100503 03:11:48< shadowmaster> it's highquality
20100503 03:12:01< shadowmaster> as long as you don't try to make it render fonts that are high-quality themselves
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20100503 04:26:09< Espreon> shadowmaster: Heh...
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20100503 04:48:57< Gambit> AfroShadowm would be cool.
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20100503 13:58:57< shadowmaster> FAAB: now I am
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20100503 15:11:41< FAAB> shadowmaster: my problem got solved by crab :)
20100503 15:12:00< shadowmaster> okay
20100503 15:12:34< FAAB> still I am wondering, shouldn't it be useful to make sure all the detect files were loaded before the _main.cfg
20100503 15:12:49< shadowmaster> um?
20100503 15:13:14< FAAB> so that to make sure that all _INSTALLED and _VERSION macros are known when parsing the first _main.cfg
20100503 15:14:40< shadowmaster> unless the first _main.cfg includes files that define such macros, there's no way
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20100503 15:15:19< FAAB> yeah, that would never happen :/
20100503 15:15:23< shadowmaster> note that _final.cfg is preprocessed last when you include a directory
20100503 15:15:34< shadowmaster> maybe you could include a directory that has a _final.cfg from the _main.cfg
20100503 15:16:10< shadowmaster> alternatively, the whole add-on system could and should be improved
20100503 15:16:35< FAAB> any idea how it should work ?
20100503 15:16:40< shadowmaster> right now you only have a parser tree and that's it. There is no scoping and such.
20100503 15:17:38< shadowmaster> no, I don't know what would be the best way to improve all this mess :(
20100503 15:19:13< FAAB> relying on the alphabetical order to parse add-on is not very robust
20100503 15:19:32< shadowmaster> yeah
20100503 15:19:36< FAAB> anyway, I have no idea either so let's wait and see ;)
20100503 15:20:17< shadowmaster> in fact, I don't know myself if Wesnoth uses alphabetical order or filesystem order
20100503 15:20:30< shadowmaster> the latter could be alphabetical, and it could be not. It all depends on the system implementation.
20100503 15:22:21 * shadowmaster reads the Wesnoth implementation
20100503 15:23:29< shadowmaster> okay, it seems to force its own alphabetical order
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20100503 16:51:51< Gambit> shadowmaster: No AfroShadowm?
20100503 16:51:56< Gambit> Cause I think that'd be awesome.
20100503 16:54:23< Gambit> I know I'm not the only one mentally refering to you as Vanilla Ice right now.
20100503 16:54:39< shadowmaster> Gambit: the hell?
20100503 16:55:42< Gambit> No; it's cool. I mean I guess he's pretty fly.
20100503 16:55:45< Gambit> For a white guy.
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20100503 17:04:39< Gambit> Water: I don't get it.
20100503 17:04:51< Water> no because you aren't in the correct channel
20100503 17:04:57< Water> you don't have to get it
20100503 17:05:12 * Gambit joins all of shadowmaster's channels :o
20100503 17:05:26< Gambit> weird it says you're only here...
20100503 17:05:50< Gambit> even though I can see you in #wesnoth...
20100503 17:06:13< shadowmaster> you don't want to join all of the channels I'm on.
20100503 17:06:44< Gambit> Your jedi mind tricks don't work on me.
20100503 17:06:54< shadowmaster> that'd be 25 channels for my laptop session
20100503 17:07:03< shadowmaster> no, I'm not attempting a jedi mind trick on you
20100503 17:07:11< Gambit> How did you hide all the channels on shadowmaster?
20100503 17:07:13< shadowmaster> you truly don't want to be in all of those channels, trust me
20100503 17:07:15< Gambit> Or is that a bug?
20100503 17:07:25< shadowmaster> user mode +i
20100503 17:09:14< Gambit> You're not attempting a jedi mind trick on me. I truly don't want to be in all those channels.
20100503 17:09:49< shadowmaster> don't try word games with me
20100503 17:13:01< Aethaeryn> Wow, 25 channels.
20100503 17:13:13< Aethaeryn> I try to cap my activity at about 18
20100503 17:13:21< shadowmaster> it's 62 channels on my server session
20100503 17:13:30< Aethaeryn> though I'm only really in 7 all the time
20100503 17:13:34< Aethaeryn> hah
20100503 17:13:36< Aethaeryn> damn
20100503 17:13:45< Aethaeryn> that's more than I've ever been in.
20100503 17:13:53< Aethaeryn> Counting the times I used to frequent 3-4 servers
20100503 17:13:56< shadowmaster> and only one of them is in a separate network
20100503 17:13:56< Aethaeryn> *3-4 networks
20100503 17:14:01< Gambit> How do you talk through shadowmaster when it's hosted elsewhere?
20100503 17:14:08< Gambit> And then it automatically takes back over when you leave?
20100503 17:14:09< shadowmaster> magic
20100503 17:14:21< Gambit> :(
20100503 17:14:24< Aethaeryn> It's something Windows can't do as easily as Linux can :P
20100503 17:14:41< shadowmaster> SSH, and running irssi on a GNU screen session remotely
20100503 17:14:43< Gambit> frustrate users until they pull out their hair?
20100503 17:15:03< Gambit> Remote desktop? That seems like a pain in the ass.
20100503 17:15:10< shadowmaster> no, it's not a graphical desktop
20100503 17:15:13< Aethaeryn> I've ssh'd into irssi before on my phone, but I couldn't find an easy way to do ctrl or alt... you'd be surprised how hard it is to run computer stuff without those two keys
20100503 17:15:15< Gambit> Unless of course you're already doing things on the computer.
20100503 17:15:21< shadowmaster> it's a text terminal only
20100503 17:15:49< Aethaeryn> And basically the only thing you can't do remotely is browse the web well
20100503 17:15:56< Aethaeryn> Remotely without GUI
20100503 17:16:00< Aethaeryn> since lynx is a little limiting.
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20100503 17:16:31< shadowmaster> I have used lynx to post in the forums in a few oportunities
20100503 17:16:50< Aethaeryn> I've used my phone to post on the forums a few times.
20100503 17:16:54< shadowmaster> namely whenever the route between olm's upstream (and therefore, wesnoth.org) and my home ISP is broken
20100503 17:17:07< Aethaeryn> My phone's browser conforms to standards better than the latest build of IE
20100503 17:17:10< Aethaeryn> based on acid3
20100503 17:17:32< Aethaeryn> Some people will never learn how to play nice with interoperability. "Just use our stuff and only our stuff."
20100503 17:18:12< Aethaeryn> And yes, phone webkit browsers are getting close to 100/100 in acid3, as is phone gecko browsers. Give it a year or two.
20100503 17:18:15< Aethaeryn> They're all in the 90s.
20100503 17:19:01< Aethaeryn> I think my default browser gets 94, Fennec (mobile Firefox) pre-alpha gets 96 but the interface is stil buggy and non-native feeling, and Opera Mini gets 97, but doesn't render it properly since it renders the page remotely.
20100503 17:19:13< Aethaeryn> The other Android browsers are just features on top of the default Browser.
20100503 17:19:22< Aethaeryn> So those are the only ones I can judge by.
20100503 17:20:36< Aethaeryn> Fennec needs to add multitouch though, it's a very useful way to zoom just right on a page, the double-tap zooming fits it perfectly and is great for portrait view of text, but messes up some things (like images and page formating)
20100503 17:20:54 * Gambit wants to try setting up remote desktop between Kubuntu and vista later.
20100503 17:21:03< Aethaeryn> meh
20100503 17:21:17< Aethaeryn> Ubuntu is the Vista of Linuxes.
20100503 17:21:25< shadowmaster> Gambit: I already said it's not a remote "desktop"
20100503 17:21:32< Gambit> shadowmaster: I know.
20100503 17:21:37< Gambit> It's... remote terminal?
20100503 17:21:41< Aethaeryn> Basically.
20100503 17:21:49< Aethaeryn> You can connect into the computer remotely, but without X
20100503 17:22:03< Aethaeryn> So anything that can run without a GUI (vim, emacs, irssi, lynx, etc.) can be run with it
20100503 17:22:21< Aethaeryn> Basically, you only miss out on OpenOffice and Firefox :P
20100503 17:22:24< shadowmaster> it could do X over SSH too if we wanted
20100503 17:22:34< shadowmaster> there's not enough RAM for X.org though
20100503 17:22:39< Aethaeryn> ah
20100503 17:22:59< Aethaeryn> It's my life-long dream to own a mainframe just for lulz.
20100503 17:23:14< shadowmaster> I hear that those so-called "thin clients" use such that kind of technique
20100503 17:23:17< Aethaeryn> You can rent space off of my mainframe really cheap, I'd basically just want the internet bill paid
20100503 17:23:39< Aethaeryn> The trick is raising enough money to buy a computer meant only for enterprises and large universities, though :P
20100503 17:24:02< shadowmaster> I'm not talking about mainframes, btw
20100503 17:24:14< Aethaeryn> I suppose if I'm too poor
20100503 17:24:14< Aethaeryn> I can cluster several servers together
20100503 17:24:17< Aethaeryn> And get a similar effect.
20100503 17:24:29< Aethaeryn> All I want is more computing power than one man can reasonably use, then I will be happy.
20100503 17:24:44< shadowmaster> you'll spend all that power compiling Wesnoth 2.0, I'm sure
20100503 17:25:01< Gambit> Aethaeryn: we have the same life long dream :o
20100503 17:25:04< shadowmaster> just don't be surprised if your electric bills go through the roof
20100503 17:25:15< Aethaeryn> Ooooh, true. I may need to get new air conditioning.
20100503 17:25:27< Aethaeryn> But hey, this is my dream. I can build my future living quarters around my dream, not the other way around :P
20100503 17:25:29< Gambit> I had a customer once that was haivng problems with her "main frame"
20100503 17:25:40< Gambit> Said it'd be acting up for months and she was about ready to get a new one :)
20100503 17:25:43< shadowmaster> main frame or mainframe?
20100503 17:25:49< Gambit> mainframe >_>
20100503 17:25:55< shadowmaster> I think she meant main frame
20100503 17:26:01< Aethaeryn> Yeah, it's the frame around the monitor.
20100503 17:26:04< Aethaeryn> Falling off... :S
20100503 17:26:04< Gambit> She meant harddrive.
20100503 17:26:05< shadowmaster> :D
20100503 17:26:07< Gambit> lawl
20100503 17:26:08< Aethaeryn> Ah
20100503 17:26:09< shadowmaster> D:
20100503 17:26:16< shadowmaster> that's no frame
20100503 17:26:22< Gambit> yeap.
20100503 17:26:24< shadowmaster> that's a hard disk that can be replaced
20100503 17:26:36< Gambit> My super was like "boy I wish I could just burn through a mainframe"
20100503 17:26:46< shadowmaster> unless the owner is shadowmaster, in which case it can't
20100503 17:26:50< Gambit> "Tell her we don't have experience with that. She'll have to talk to nasa."
20100503 17:26:54< Aethaeryn> < Gambit> Aethaeryn: we have the same life long dream <- But CentOS is $0 a month, and much more stable than Windows Server 20xx (I suppose it's for the Megaman universe?)
20100503 17:27:41< Aethaeryn> (Hah, i did an obscure classic video game joke, since early Mega Man games are set in 20xx)
20100503 17:27:51< Gambit> :\
20100503 17:28:10< Aethaeryn> I'll be able to divert the money saved on OS fees to pay for my power bill!
20100503 17:28:33< Aethaeryn> Though tbh, if I had a fancy server cluster or a mainframe, I'd probably want to pay for RHEL... you know, just in case things go wrong and I'm in over my head.
20100503 17:28:48< Aethaeryn> No wonder Red Hat is profitable and Canonical is not :P
20100503 17:30:20< Aethaeryn> Yes, I know Novell technically dominantes the mainframe niche of high-end computing, but RHEL is still an option
20100503 17:30:29< Aethaeryn> Not like I looked into stuff like this before. <_<
20100503 17:30:31< Aethaeryn> >_>
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20100503 17:31:08< Aethaeryn> How many of the 100 computers run Windows? Is it 1 or 2? :P
20100503 17:31:29< Aethaeryn> Linux is future-proof since it already runs on what computers in 2030 will be like :P
20100503 17:31:48< shadowmaster> they will occupy large rooms? again?
20100503 17:31:53< shadowmaster> oh man
20100503 17:32:02< Aethaeryn> Nah, it's more like when the large room power fits into a laptop
20100503 17:32:04< Aethaeryn> That's what I mean :P
20100503 17:32:09< Gambit> my next computer
20100503 17:32:10< Gambit> http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/server-poweredge-t610?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd
20100503 17:32:19< Aethaeryn> And yes, the laptops in 2030 will put today's supercomputers to shame if Moore's Law is any guide
20100503 17:32:58< Aethaeryn> Gambit: under $1000?
20100503 17:33:03< Gambit> No
20100503 17:33:04< Aethaeryn> That's too affordable
20100503 17:33:06< Gambit> That's the shell dude.
20100503 17:33:11< shadowmaster> they will have 40-core processors hidden in little wormholes inside the case
20100503 17:33:15< Aethaeryn> Hell, even the $2000 is too affordable.
20100503 17:33:18< Gambit> You can customize it up over 90gb of ram
20100503 17:33:20< Gambit> Aethaeryn: ^^
20100503 17:33:28< Aethaeryn> Spoiler: if I can buy it with the assets I have, it's not fancy enough :P
20100503 17:33:31< Aethaeryn> because I don't have much
20100503 17:33:50< Gambit> two processors
20100503 17:33:58< Aethaeryn> Heh.
20100503 17:34:05< Aethaeryn> But do those processors have 6 cores?
20100503 17:34:08< Gambit> 96gb of ram
20100503 17:34:17< Aethaeryn> The new Intels do
20100503 17:34:27< Gambit> widnows server 2008
20100503 17:35:02< Aethaeryn> Fuck Windows Server 2008.
20100503 17:35:05< Gambit> $13,759 :)
20100503 17:35:12< Aethaeryn> Fuck .NET
20100503 17:35:20< shadowmaster> WINDOWS DID IT
20100503 17:35:23< shadowmaster> WINDOWS MUST DIE
20100503 17:35:24< Gambit> lawl for $40 they'll partition the harddrive for me
20100503 17:35:26< Gambit> HAHA
20100503 17:35:34< shadowmaster> WINDOWS KILLED JFK
20100503 17:35:48< Aethaeryn> When you have a computer operating system whose structure requires a reboot, you're doing it wrong on servers.
20100503 17:35:52< Gambit> No network adaptor included for $13,759 wtf?
20100503 17:35:56< Gambit> What is a server without a network adaptor
20100503 17:36:09< Aethaeryn> When you have a company who has a program where you can update even the kernel without rebooting, then that OS is doing it right. Hooray Linux.
20100503 17:36:09< Gambit> And why are all these network adaptors $500?
20100503 17:36:20< Aethaeryn> Gambit: They're designed for businesses who have cash to burn.
20100503 17:36:26< Aethaeryn> I don't think you understand.
20100503 17:36:44< Aethaeryn> If the government or a large university or a big business is going to buy it, they can charge $500 for something that's really $50
20100503 17:36:47< Aethaeryn> And they won't notice :P
20100503 17:36:57< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: is kexec() that stable yet?
20100503 17:37:43< Aethaeryn> idk, but I do remember reading about a company who claims to be able to get your uptime really high by basically having a method of phased updating so that you never have to reboot.
20100503 17:37:48< Aethaeryn> designed for servers and stuff
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20100503 17:40:42< Gambit> My real next computer will probably be one of those XPS's Dell has been toting for so long.
20100503 17:41:00< Gambit> they're only a skip above Fran though. It'd be cheaper just to upgrade her.
20100503 17:41:04< shadowmaster> you are a computer
20100503 17:41:29< Gambit> A biomechanical one, but year.
20100503 17:41:31< Gambit> *yeah
20100503 17:42:17< Gambit> OMG the XPS 9000 can include up to 24gb of ram
20100503 17:42:29< Gambit> I had no idea dells home desktops were up so high already...
20100503 17:42:37< Aethaeryn> My mom has a high-end dell desktop
20100503 17:42:43< Aethaeryn> really big tower, biggest tower I've seen in a computer
20100503 17:42:48< Gambit> It is no longer cheaper to just upgrade fran 0_0
20100503 17:42:49< Aethaeryn> can probably upgrade far better than it is 
20100503 17:42:55< Aethaeryn> unfortunately, Vista doesn't show how zippy it can be
20100503 17:43:03< Aethaeryn> It's probably one of the few computers that can run Vista well :P
20100503 17:43:07< Gambit> 24gb DDR3 o_O
20100503 17:43:10 * Gambit twitches
20100503 17:43:42< Aethaeryn> But I think my dad's new 17'' HP laptop now has about the same power as my mom's desktop from several years ago except for the monitor size (which obviously would be infeasible in a laptop)
20100503 17:43:52< Gambit> lol the OS I have selected only supports up to 16gb :(
20100503 17:44:06< Gambit> I guess I have to upgrade to 7 super duper supreme?
20100503 17:44:12< Aethaeryn> meh
20100503 17:44:27< Gambit> only ultimate "supports" that much ram :s
20100503 17:44:35< Aethaeryn> On my next computer I'm just going to wipe vista/7
20100503 17:44:46< Gambit> 12gb of ram is enough I guess...
20100503 17:44:49< Aethaeryn> if I need Windows, I think I'd rather just carry over my xp virtual machine
20100503 17:45:05< Aethaeryn> it will probably run better than 7 natively, just like xp virtualized on my laptop runs better than vista natively.
20100503 17:45:17< Aethaeryn> I don't like the trend in OSes to get more and more in your way and burn more and more power on background stuff
20100503 17:45:26< Aethaeryn> I'm looking at you Vista/7/OSX/KDE4/Compiz
20100503 17:45:40< Aethaeryn> I want an OS to get out of the way so I can max it out on one or two programs at a time.
20100503 17:45:43< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: thou shalt not insult KDE 4 wherever I am
20100503 17:45:45< Gambit> An OS should not require users to memorize a bunch of commands.
20100503 17:46:05< shadowmaster> and you probably don't want to run a X server in a server box either
20100503 17:46:13< shadowmaster> security holes, MEMORY SINK, etc.
20100503 17:46:15< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: I'm sorry, GNOME 2 without effects beats KDE 4 in the performance test, and XFCE beats GNOME 2.
20100503 17:46:18< Aethaeryn> :P
20100503 17:46:39< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: I'm sorry but I shall not tolerate you insulting my secondary resources sink
20100503 17:46:43< Aethaeryn> And in my opinion, the less an OS is in the way of maxing out computers, the more life you can get out of a computer
20100503 17:46:45< shadowmaster> more seriously...
20100503 17:46:48< Gambit> I don't like the trend of integrating sound cards :@
20100503 17:46:57< shadowmaster> AFAICT Xfce uses as much memory as KDE 4 here
20100503 17:47:03< Aethaeryn> Maybe if you have a new and/or high-end computer it doesn't matter. Or even a desktop or something with decent graphics power :S
20100503 17:47:15< shadowmaster> performance? performance oesn't matter since I don't really use KDE, I use applications
20100503 17:47:21< Aethaeryn> And yeah, if you don't have good graphics driver support, no effects vs. effects makes a really big difference.
20100503 17:47:23< shadowmaster> mostly Terminator and Firefox
20100503 17:47:29< Aethaeryn> You'll get lag even with simple transparency that XFCE doesn't have.
20100503 17:47:34< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Final cost (for real this time) $3,039
20100503 17:47:40< shadowmaster> XFCE has simple transparency
20100503 17:47:49< shadowmaster> it has other basic compositing effects as well
20100503 17:47:58< Aethaeryn> You can turn it off, I suppose.
20100503 17:48:03< Aethaeryn> It's for low-end machines.
20100503 17:48:18< shadowmaster> no, I can't turn it off
20100503 17:48:19< shadowmaster> I LIKE IT
20100503 17:48:19< Aethaeryn> Which means when my mid-ranged and only somewhat-old/crappy laptop uses it, it feels like a powerful computer :)
20100503 17:48:32< Aethaeryn> I suppose Mr. Fancy Laptop can use it :P
20100503 17:48:34< shadowmaster> I CAN'T GET RID OF STUFF I LIKE
20100503 17:48:37< shadowmaster> :D
20100503 17:48:47< Gambit> shadowmaster: How fancy is your laptop
20100503 17:48:53< shadowmaster> not a lot
20100503 17:48:54< shadowmaster> why?
20100503 17:48:56< Aethaeryn> But there will be a time, maybe one year, maybe more... when the background requirements creep up beyond what your computer is built to handle.
20100503 17:49:04< Gambit> Well then who is Mr. Fancy Laptop?
20100503 17:49:11< Aethaeryn> Because remember, if Moore's Law doubles computer resources available, software will double to meet up
20100503 17:49:14< shadowmaster> Gambit: you can see some stats here http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/62-On-Wesnoths-grow-rate.html
20100503 17:49:20< Aethaeryn> Making your computer a lot slower over time than it should be.
20100503 17:49:35< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: Wesnoth follows that principle nicely as I also say in that post
20100503 17:49:39< Gambit> That is fancy for a laptop.
20100503 17:49:53< shadowmaster> I didn't mention that -O0 builds also got slow like hell. Crap.
20100503 17:50:12< shadowmaster> big program is big
20100503 17:50:13< Aethaeryn> oh-zero... how mean on people with bad fonts?
20100503 17:50:28< shadowmaster> shadowm@bluecore:~/src/wesnoth$ du -sh wesnoth-debug
20100503 17:50:28< shadowmaster> 399M	wesnoth-debug
20100503 17:50:33< Aethaeryn> I've noticed some slight graphics lag in Wesnoth 1.8 when I do two monitors and have Wesnoth fullscreen on the large (> 20'' one).
20100503 17:50:52< Aethaeryn> When I have drakes flying all around the place and lots of fancy effects
20100503 17:50:53< shadowmaster> shadowm@bluecore:~/src/wesnoth$ du -sh build/debug/
20100503 17:50:54< shadowmaster> 1.5G	build/debug/
20100503 17:50:59< Gambit> I tried compiling wesnoth on kubuntu and it froze at about an hour in.
20100503 17:51:14< shadowmaster> compare
20100503 17:51:15< shadowmaster> shadowm@bluecore:~/src/wesnoth$ du -sh build/release/
20100503 17:51:15< Aethaeryn> interesting, because I compile all the time.
20100503 17:51:16< shadowmaster> 85M	build/release/
20100503 17:51:21< Gambit> I switch to console mode and it finished in a half hour.
20100503 17:51:53< shadowmaster> Gambit: HAI U NEED 2 REC0MP1L3 TEH KERNAL 2 GIT MOAR POWAH
20100503 17:52:02< Aethaeryn> That's another plus for running Windows in a virtual machine on top of Linux.
20100503 17:52:04< Gambit> Wha?
20100503 17:52:08< shadowmaster> I'm being partly sarcastic
20100503 17:52:16< Aethaeryn> you can ctrl+alt+f2 and still do stuff (such as IRC or whatever else) while waiting on some annoying Windows thing.
20100503 17:52:36< Gambit> part sarcastic, part l337, part knowing more than me to begin with.
20100503 17:52:39< Gambit> all over my head :)
20100503 17:52:43< shadowmaster> I've actually gotten some benefits from tailoring kernels to fit my needs and particular hardware. But you certainly don't want to mess with that as a newbie.
20100503 17:53:01< Gambit> s/l33t/b-tard
20100503 17:53:10< Aethaeryn> You want to know how you can get the best perforance on a Linux machine probably?
20100503 17:53:15< Aethaeryn> Build all the files yourself.
20100503 17:53:18< shadowmaster> RECOMPILE GLIBC!
20100503 17:53:20< shadowmaster> GLIBC DID IT!
20100503 17:53:22< Aethaeryn> It might take several weeks.
20100503 17:53:29< Aethaeryn> But it would probably make your machine run like you would never know it
20100503 17:53:30< shadowmaster> GLIBC NUKED HIROSHIMA!
20100503 17:53:33< Aethaeryn> Screw distros...
20100503 17:53:36< Aethaeryn> They make things too easy.
20100503 17:53:49< Aethaeryn> If a Windows luser like Gambit can use Linux, we're not trying hard enough to make it only for the elite technical few.
20100503 17:54:03< shadowmaster> and yet you can't optimize glibc too much because you run the risk of hitting compiler bugs and making your system a literal bomb
20100503 17:54:24< shadowmaster> so -O2 -mtune=native -march=native seems to be the safest potion
20100503 17:54:27< Aethaeryn> "Self destruct mode activated."
20100503 17:54:41< shadowmaster> I had meant "option", but potion also works
20100503 17:55:02 * Espreon is scared
20100503 17:55:03< Gambit> shadowmaster: http://xkcd.com/725/ or http://xkcd.com/651/ ?
20100503 17:55:21< Espreon> All I know is that FreeType did it.
20100503 17:55:31< shadowmaster> FREETYPE DID IT!
20100503 17:55:38< shadowmaster> FREETYPE CAUSED WORLD WAR ONE!
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20100503 17:55:45< Espreon> http://imagebin.org/95238
20100503 17:55:47< Espreon> VHY!
20100503 17:55:49< Gambit> Is this a new meme?
20100503 17:55:54< shadowmaster> it's a running gag
20100503 17:56:02< Espreon> I want my hieroglyphs to render properly!
20100503 17:56:33< Espreon> shadowmaster: Then what did WTC?
20100503 17:56:35< shadowmaster> Gambit: http://xkcd.com/456/
20100503 17:56:42< shadowmaster> Espreon: um.
20100503 17:56:46< shadowmaster> LIBPNG DID IT
20100503 17:57:09< shadowmaster> more like libpng's documentation, but anyway
20100503 17:57:13< Gambit> shadowmaster: lol
20100503 17:57:22< Espreon> What about Scientology?
20100503 17:57:55< shadowmaster> they must be lead by X.org's evil twin or something
20100503 17:57:59< Aethaeryn> Espreon: We should start the Wesnoth Dead Language club.
20100503 17:58:09< Espreon> Jeß, jeß...
20100503 17:58:21< Aethaeryn> We can do Latin, ancient Greek, and ancient Egyptian (with hieroglyphs and without)
20100503 17:58:21 * Espreon wants an Ancient Egyptian translation.
20100503 17:58:23< shadowmaster> by this I mean the original XFree86 which went to the path of bureaucracy and stuff
20100503 17:58:36< Gambit> Espreon: do you know the Huli language of Papau New Guinea?
20100503 17:58:36< Espreon> Aethaeryn: IT HAS TO BE WITH HIEROGLYPHS!
20100503 17:58:41< Espreon> None of that Latin crap.
20100503 17:58:44< Aethaeryn> BOTH.
20100503 17:58:48< Aethaeryn> Though not in Latin.
20100503 17:58:56< Espreon> Gambit: No.
20100503 17:59:08< Aethaeryn> I'm talking about Demotic, Espreon 
20100503 17:59:08< Gambit> Darn. I wanted to see someone count in base 15.
20100503 17:59:11< Aethaeryn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_stone
20100503 17:59:12< Espreon> Gambit: Do you know about Manchu?
20100503 17:59:18< Gambit> Espreon: No.
20100503 17:59:23< Espreon> Then learn... nao.
20100503 17:59:27< Aethaeryn> Hieroglyphs is an old and highly-decorative language. It was impractical by the late ancient time.
20100503 17:59:30< Aethaeryn> :P
20100503 17:59:43< Espreon> Also, learn Coptic; we must bring back the Egyptian language.
20100503 17:59:54< Gambit> Espreon: I'm learning latin.
20100503 18:00:03< Gambit> It's hard :(
20100503 18:00:03< Espreon> You sicken me.
20100503 18:00:12< Gambit> I tried mandarin and failed
20100503 18:00:16< Gambit> I never had a D before :'(
20100503 18:00:17< Aethaeryn> Espreon: We need to have three versions of ancient Egyptian at least.
20100503 18:00:19< Gambit> They let me drop it.
20100503 18:00:20< Espreon> Try Old English if you want a challenge.
20100503 18:00:28< Aethaeryn> Hieroglyphics, Demotic, and Coptic.
20100503 18:00:34 * Gambit wishes HTML counted as a foriegn language.
20100503 18:00:35< Espreon> ... dabble in the fuþorc... and only in the fuþorc.
20100503 18:00:38< Espreon> Oh, wait, that's be easier.
20100503 18:00:45< timotei> hey Espreon 
20100503 18:00:45< Espreon> ... because the fuþorc isn't retarded.
20100503 18:00:49< Espreon> timotei: Hello.
20100503 18:00:59< timotei> i installed the x64 version of sabayon, and the sound worked. lol
20100503 18:01:07< timotei> after an alsaconf/alsamixer
20100503 18:01:08< timotei> :))
20100503 18:01:14< Gambit> shadowmaster: So how do I recompile my corn to get more power?
20100503 18:01:15< timotei> right now installing it again :(
20100503 18:01:17< Espreon> Aethaeryn: But the hieroglyphic version takes priority.
20100503 18:01:24< Espreon> timotei: Cool.
20100503 18:01:25< shadowmaster> Gambit: you don't want to FOOL
20100503 18:01:34< shadowmaster> DuctTapeCoder: yes, we know. Do you need help with anything in particular?YOU ARE A NEWBIE
20100503 18:01:35< timotei> Espreon, let the sulfur to do the updates, but something screwed
20100503 18:01:37< shadowmaster> er,.
20100503 18:01:38< timotei> brb
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20100503 18:01:44< shadowmaster> goddamned scrolling area
20100503 18:01:44< Espreon> timotei: DON'T!
20100503 18:01:57< shadowmaster> Gambit: YOU ARE A NEWBIE
20100503 18:02:00< Espreon> Aethaeryn: We must be the first game to use the hieroglyphic block.
20100503 18:02:03< Gambit> We were to late to save him.
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20100503 18:02:19< Gambit> And they never saw timotei again...
20100503 18:02:29< Espreon> Aethaeryn: OK, so, how are we going to do this?
20100503 18:03:10< loonycyborg> Espreon: Those artifacts you have with those hieroglyphs look familiar to me.
20100503 18:03:11 * Gambit needs a linux for dummies book
20100503 18:03:19< Espreon> loonycyborg: LOL, what?
20100503 18:03:23< shadowmaster> Gambit: you are a dummy
20100503 18:03:26< Espreon> Are you talking about the colors?
20100503 18:03:30< Gambit> shadowmaster: So the problem is?
20100503 18:03:33< loonycyborg> Yes.
20100503 18:03:42< Espreon> loonycyborg: We must... kill... FREETYPE!
20100503 18:03:50< shadowmaster> Gambit: none in particular
20100503 18:03:54< loonycyborg> I saw something similar with MathML in firefox
20100503 18:03:56< Aethaeryn> Espreon: we're doing it chronological if possible.
20100503 18:04:07< Aethaeryn> or at least some kinda logical
20100503 18:04:14< Aethaeryn> Hierogylphs -> Demotic -> Coptic -> Ancient Greek...
20100503 18:04:17< Aethaeryn> That'll cover Egypt.
20100503 18:04:31<+shikadibot> FREETYPE MUST DIE
20100503 18:04:44< Aethaeryn> And yes, Ancient Greek was the lingua franca of the educated in the (eastern) mediterranean and middle east from Alexander the Great to the fall of the Byzantines.
20100503 18:04:57< Espreon> You children and your lingue franche.
20100503 18:05:02< Aethaeryn> Well, Greek, with Ancient Greek being the literary form everyone tried to immitate even late in the Byzantine empire
20100503 18:05:05< Gambit> shikadibot: Hello
20100503 18:05:05<+shikadibot> hello Gambit
20100503 18:05:34< Aethaeryn> Espreon: oh, sorry, I write "lingua franca" in Latin. :p
20100503 18:05:37< Espreon> Aethaeryn: No, ze Germanic languages must take priority. Ve need Old English, Old Norse, and Gozic.
20100503 18:05:42< Aethaeryn> Fuck Germanic languages.
20100503 18:05:46< Aethaeryn> Barbarians, all of them.
20100503 18:05:48< Espreon> Aethaeryn: "lingue franche" is the plural. :P
20100503 18:05:49<+shikadibot> Gambit: did you want something from me?
20100503 18:05:54< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Nay, þou.
20100503 18:05:57< Aethaeryn> Germans just imported Mediterranean culture post-Renaissance.
20100503 18:06:04< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Screw that.
20100503 18:06:04< Gambit> shikadibot: Just saying hi. :)
20100503 18:06:10< Aethaeryn> That's the only reason Western/Northern Europe had any prosperity
20100503 18:06:13< Gambit> shikadibot: GEB?
20100503 18:06:15< Aethaeryn> just on the backs of the Greco-Roman culture revived
20100503 18:06:18< Espreon> Screw prosperity.
20100503 18:06:21< Gambit> Meh.
20100503 18:06:38< Aethaeryn> Oh sorry, my mindset ends around 300-400 AD
20100503 18:06:41 * shikadibot decides to ignore Gambit and make cookies instead.
20100503 18:06:53< Aethaeryn> After Emperor Justinian, history gets boring for almost 1000 years :P 
20100503 18:06:55< Gambit> shadowmaster: I'll update her dictionary :)
20100503 18:07:05<+shikadibot> in fact, i'll ignore all of you now =(
20100503 18:07:05< Aethaeryn> (yeah, I know Justinian was later than 400 AD)
20100503 18:07:14< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Take your lingue franche and have.... yeah... with zem.
20100503 18:07:37< Espreon> I don't know vhy I haven't left... but... yeah...
20100503 18:07:46< Aethaeryn> yeah, well.
20100503 18:07:47< Espreon> Meh, I need to go... and do... work...
20100503 18:07:49< Espreon> :(
20100503 18:07:54< shadowmaster> poor little Espreon 
20100503 18:07:54< loonycyborg> Espreon: Are you getting similar color garbage here: https://www.eyeasme.com/Joe/MathML/MathML_browser_test ?
20100503 18:07:56< Gambit> and... stuff...
20100503 18:08:00< shadowmaster> we'll miss him
20100503 18:08:17< Espreon> loonycyborg: I'd need to wait to get on my Linux lappy.
20100503 18:08:23< Aethaeryn> Espreon: enjoy your labors while you exit from this chat.
20100503 18:08:30< Espreon> Aethaeryn: I won't.
20100503 18:08:31< Aethaeryn> oh wait, you mean you couldn't have "labor" or "exit" without Latin?
20100503 18:08:38< Aethaeryn> Oh, go figure, Latin enriched our language.
20100503 18:08:44< Aethaeryn> Gave us more word variety than any other.
20100503 18:08:45< Espreon> Aethaeryn: No, it ruined it.
20100503 18:09:01< Gambit> Latin has no word for turkey.
20100503 18:09:03< Aethaeryn> Conversely, I believe we ruined Latin.
20100503 18:09:12< Aethaeryn> If multiple people leave, they don't "exit"
20100503 18:09:15< Aethaeryn> they "exeunt"
20100503 18:09:26< Gambit> Yet it has instrumentum televisifico or whatever.
20100503 18:09:26< Espreon> It matters not.
20100503 18:09:41< Gambit> silly church.
20100503 18:09:48< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Latin has whatever the pope wants to add to it.
20100503 18:09:49< Gambit> Turkey > Television
20100503 18:10:04< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Yeah ;)
20100503 18:10:04< Aethaeryn> Imo, you should just borrow from a close Romance language (e.g. Italian/Spanish) to invent modern terms yourself.
20100503 18:10:12< Gambit> My latin teacher told me to email them.
20100503 18:10:26< shadowmaster> THE ROMANS DID IT
20100503 18:10:29< Aethaeryn> So if you don't have a word for <insert modern thing here>, just Latinify it from the vulgar provincial Latin.
20100503 18:10:34< shadowmaster> THE ROMANS...aw, you get it now
20100503 18:10:37< Gambit> the vadican
20100503 18:10:42< Aethaeryn> One thing I find hard in the Latin translation...
20100503 18:10:50< Aethaeryn> Is that the Romans, like the Germans, like really long words.
20100503 18:10:52< Gambit> THE ROMANS GAVE BIRTH TO HITLER!
20100503 18:10:56< Aethaeryn> English, on the other hand, likes to have lots of really short words.
20100503 18:11:11< Aethaeryn> So sometimes the GUI doesn't quite have room for the very long terms I throw together in the Latin translation.
20100503 18:11:18< Aethaeryn> So yet again, the Anglos ruin a beautiful thing.
20100503 18:11:37< Aethaeryn> Such as being able to write something with varying word order for artistic purposes without changing the meaning of the phrase.
20100503 18:12:01< Aethaeryn> And putting the verb away from the end of the sentence so you can't have fun if you like to write long sentences.
20100503 18:12:17< Aethaeryn> The fun you could have if you were able to write long sentences like this and then have to wait for the verb at the end imagine.
20100503 18:12:41< Aethaeryn> You'd pay more attention to the whole sentence waiting for the verb. :P
20100503 18:12:49< Gambit> from linux for dummies: "Get to know the GNOME — and the KDE®, the two Linux desktops"
20100503 18:12:53< Gambit> hehe
20100503 18:13:15< loonycyborg> Aethaeryn: Russian is very relaxed on word ordering :P
20100503 18:13:22< shadowmaster> it's not "the"
20100503 18:13:23< Gambit> So is latin.
20100503 18:13:41< Gambit> shadowmaster: that's straight from the back cover
20100503 18:13:44< shadowmaster> if such a book really exists and it reads like that, then it must be destroyed
20100503 18:13:50< Gambit> so apparently that's not the book I want.
20100503 18:14:02< Gambit> It looks like most of the chapters go over various open source software...
20100503 18:14:09< shadowmaster> besides, wtf, Linux desktops?
20100503 18:14:20< shadowmaster> I have a Linux desktop and her name is "blackcore"
20100503 18:14:22< Aethaeryn> desktop environment.
20100503 18:14:32 * Gambit wants an easy to undestand reference to different commands
20100503 18:14:40< Aethaeryn> K Desktop Environment.
20100503 18:14:40< Aethaeryn> Kick-ass?
20100503 18:14:54< Gambit> like my thousand page guide to MS-DOS 6.22
20100503 18:14:56< Espreon> shadowmaster: Nothing. This is acting weird.
20100503 18:15:18< shadowmaster> TWM, TVWM, Blackbox, Fluxbox, KDE, GNOME, WindowMaker, Xfce, Lxfce (?), GNUStep...
20100503 18:15:19< Espreon> But, Gambit is right about the Romans.
20100503 18:15:35< shadowmaster> XFree86/X.org + xterm...
20100503 18:15:38< Gambit> shadowmaster: Nope. there's only two ;)
20100503 18:15:44< shadowmaster> Gambit: FILTHY LIES
20100503 18:15:47< Espreon> Aethaeryn: You people are the reason that we can't have nice things.
20100503 18:15:56< Gambit> there's the GNOME
20100503 18:15:57< Gambit> and the KDE
20100503 18:16:02< shadowmaster> Gambit: NO
20100503 18:16:16< shadowmaster> I REJECT YOUR LOGIC. YOU DID IT. YOU CREATED THE NUCLEAR BOMB.
20100503 18:16:20< Gambit> shadowmaster: http://www.amazon.com/Linux-Dummies-9th-Richard-Blum/dp/0470467010/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272903129&sr=8-1
20100503 18:16:23< Espreon> Aethaeryn: If you hate the inflexibility of English, blame the Normans; they ruined Old English.
20100503 18:17:09< shadowmaster> Gambit: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
20100503 18:17:18< shadowmaster> don't buy that book
20100503 18:17:28< Gambit> I know :)
20100503 18:17:32< Aethaeryn> Espreon: Actually, English has one flexibility most other languages lack.
20100503 18:17:32< Gambit> this one looks better: http://www.amazon.com/Linux-Nutshell-Ellen-Siever/dp/0596154488/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272903389&sr=1-4#noop
20100503 18:17:44< Aethaeryn> the ability to just rip a word out of any language in any form and add it to the vocabulary.
20100503 18:17:48< Aethaeryn> Massive vocabulary capacity.
20100503 18:17:59 * shadowmaster kicks Triangle-head in the face
20100503 18:18:05< Gambit> And you can convert any noun to a verb
20100503 18:18:14< Gambit> Or adjective
20100503 18:18:19< Gambit> or the other way around
20100503 18:18:33< Gambit> shadowmaster you totally Aethaeryn'd that Aethaeryny sentance.
20100503 18:18:52< Espreon> Google... googlear... fun...
20100503 18:18:53< Gambit> * Aethaeryned
20100503 18:19:04< Espreon> Noöne cares.
20100503 18:19:07< Gambit> Espreon: googler
20100503 18:19:19< shadowmaster> for one moment I thought you said I was mutating into Aethaeryn 
20100503 18:19:27< Espreon> Gambit: No. "Google" -> "googlear" (to google).
20100503 18:19:32< shadowmaster> that wasn't a very nice thought. Walls of text... *shudder*
20100503 18:19:40< Espreon> Gambit: Español...
20100503 18:20:07< Espreon> Ugh... mine eyes...
20100503 18:20:39< Aethaeryn> hmm
20100503 18:20:44< Aethaeryn> I could easily latinize that
20100503 18:20:51< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Vhat?
20100503 18:21:00< Aethaeryn> in fact, googlear might in fact be able to be used as-is
20100503 18:21:12< Aethaeryn> as one of those fancy verbs with active meaning and passive form
20100503 18:21:50< Espreon> But, do I care?
20100503 18:21:51< Aethaeryn> Espreon: Googlearisne?
20100503 18:21:57< shadowmaster> overly long gag is long
20100503 18:22:03< Espreon> Ugh.... MINE EYES!
20100503 18:22:25< Espreon> Aethaeryn: I BANISH ÞEE! ... got.wikipedia.org
20100503 18:22:38< Aethaeryn> NON.
20100503 18:23:21< Espreon> Jeß.
20100503 18:23:39< shadowmaster> SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIÍ!
20100503 18:24:19< Espreon> shadowmaster: Næse...
20100503 18:25:36< Gambit> overly long gag?
20100503 18:25:50< Espreon> Ugh... you beings are evil...
20100503 18:25:52< Gambit> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GagPenis
20100503 18:26:06< Gambit> Is cross-platform remote desktoping possible?
20100503 18:26:25< loonycyborg> Gambit: Yes.
20100503 18:26:32< Aethaeryn> Espreon: Artem linguarum delinques.
20100503 18:26:35< shadowmaster> Gambit: no, not that kind of gag
20100503 18:26:40< Espreon> Aethaeryn: It beeth a lie.
20100503 18:26:56< shadowmaster> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OverlyLongGag
20100503 18:27:48< shadowmaster> oh look, it's even got longcat in it
20100503 18:27:56< Espreon> What about Tacgnol?
20100503 18:28:05< shadowmaster> it had to be a self demonstrating article, didn't it? <.<
20100503 18:28:17< Gambit> loonycyborg: Any suggestions for a program?
20100503 18:28:17< loonycyborg> Espreon: It's longcat's evil twin
20100503 18:28:22< Espreon> Ve know.
20100503 18:28:36< Gambit> shadowmaster: check the last link on that article ;)
20100503 18:28:48< loonycyborg> Espreon: Oops! I misread you.
20100503 18:29:11< shadowmaster> Gambit: which one?
20100503 18:29:14< Espreon> loonycyborg: Þou art forgiven.
20100503 18:29:26< Gambit> 'Also, don't confuse with a different  kind of "Overly Long Gag."  '
20100503 18:29:28< Aethaeryn> Exeo.
20100503 18:29:39-!- Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Quit: Exeo.]
20100503 18:29:39< Espreon> Away wiþ þe.
20100503 18:29:47< Gambit> I exit
20100503 18:29:48< Espreon> *þee
20100503 18:29:51< Espreon> Ve know.
20100503 18:29:58< shadowmaster> Gambit: I know
20100503 18:30:03< loonycyborg> Gambit: IIRC I did it using VirtualBox's RDP support.
20100503 18:30:26< Espreon> But vhat about «exir»?
20100503 18:30:27< shadowmaster> X11 protocols ftl
20100503 18:30:47< Gambit> Espreon: I dunno. I haven't learned much about verb conjugation yet.
20100503 18:31:11< Espreon> Gambit: «exir» is a Spanish verb.
20100503 18:31:21< Gambit> Well then I'm really off :)
20100503 18:31:26< Espreon> ... and we all know what it means...
20100503 18:31:50< shadowmaster> Gambit: I can help you with that
20100503 18:31:59< Espreon> "Exire" -> "exir"
20100503 18:32:03< Espreon> LOL, evolution.
20100503 18:32:07< Gambit> shadowmaster: spanish verb conjugation or remoting on Vista from Kubuntu?
20100503 18:32:11< Espreon> Bye.
20100503 18:32:13< Gambit> or both :)
20100503 18:32:19< shadowmaster> no, removing you from the channel
20100503 18:32:42< Gambit> Oh when I said I was really off I meant because he was talking spanish and I thought we were still on latin :$
20100503 18:33:51< shadowmaster> aw
20100503 18:37:29< loonycyborg> Gambit: On remote desktops: on client side I've used some RDP viewer that iirc is part of gnome, or of ubuntu.
20100503 18:37:34< Espreon> Gambit: Þou needest to learn thine infinitive endings.
20100503 18:37:52 * Espreon is lazy
20100503 18:38:25< shadowmaster> Espreon: you are not alone
20100503 18:38:43 * shadowmaster points at Asheviere
20100503 18:39:03< Espreon> Heh...
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20100503 18:40:03< Espreon> Gambit: Wiktionary is good: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/exeo#Latin
20100503 18:40:19< Espreon> Nice tables...
20100503 18:40:42< Gambit> wow Vista Home Premium does not allow remote desktop
20100503 18:40:48< Gambit> what the hell is up with that
20100503 18:40:52< Gambit> money grubbing bastards
20100503 18:40:53< Espreon> Ha hah!
20100503 18:41:07< Gambit> I can connect out but not to...
20100503 18:41:44< shadowmaster> and I get remote desktop capabilities for free
20100503 18:41:47< Espreon> Espero que nevare mañana...
20100503 18:41:48< shadowmaster> and not even I use them :(
20100503 18:42:12< Espreon> Ze weaser... here... sucks...
20100503 18:42:30< shadowmaster> Espreon: maybe you want to check http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/67-Terminator-rocks.html
20100503 18:42:56< Espreon> shadowmaster: Do you feel the same way?
20100503 18:43:14< Gambit> Do you feel like I do.
20100503 18:43:24< shadowmaster> yes
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20100503 18:43:47< Espreon> Gambit: No.
20100503 18:44:24< shadowmaster> I was replying to Espreon's question
20100503 18:45:22< Gambit> haha
20100503 18:45:25< Espreon> shadowmaster: Are you a proud user of the future subjunctive?
20100503 18:45:30< shadowmaster> no idea
20100503 18:45:56< shadowmaster> I'm not a grammar nazi like you and I don't pay attention to the grammatical constructs I use in either language
20100503 18:46:07< Gambit> You can't be proud of something you don't know.
20100503 18:46:32< Espreon> shadowmaster: "Espero que nieve" or "Espero que nevare"?
20100503 18:46:46< shadowmaster> the first...no wait, the second! oh.
20100503 18:46:49< Espreon> ... when talking about the future...
20100503 18:46:58< shadowmaster> is there a third option? both suck
20100503 18:47:06< Espreon> I don't think so...
20100503 18:47:23< shadowmaster> I don't have a fucking idea of the conjugations of the verb "nevar" because it never snows here
20100503 18:47:42< shadowmaster> well, once every 10 years, and only for a couple of minutes
20100503 18:47:59< shadowmaster> why must Spanish verbs be so complicated?
20100503 18:48:41< Espreon> "Espero que muera mañana" or "Espero que muriere mañana"?
20100503 18:48:49< shadowmaster> the first
20100503 18:48:52< Espreon> You suck.
20100503 18:48:55< shadowmaster> yeah
20100503 18:48:59< shadowmaster> I know :)
20100503 18:49:49< Gambit> not as well as his m... nevermind :)
20100503 18:49:50< Espreon> OK, byez for realz.
20100503 18:50:01< Gambit> Espreon: Good bye.
20100503 18:50:02< shadowmaster> Espreon: make up your mind already
20100503 18:50:03< shadowmaster> 19:18:15 <shadowmaster> why whenever I join the MP lobby someone notices who I am? :/
20100503 18:50:06< shadowmaster> 19:18:26 <Espreon> Because you're awesome?
20100503 18:50:29< shadowmaster> Gambit: you are stepping in dangerous territory, sir.
20100503 18:50:36< shadowmaster> Here, I rule and I am awesome
20100503 18:50:53< shadowmaster> and I can do whatever I want with you and nobody will complain because I make the rules.
20100503 18:51:10< Gambit> You're pretty fly.
20100503 18:51:17< shadowmaster> no I'm just trying to scare you
20100503 18:51:30< Gambit> Sith mind tricks :o
20100503 18:52:26< shadowmaster> but yes, this is the land of "don't take shadowmaster literally or you'll go mad"
20100503 18:53:00< Gambit> You'd be even more awesome if you had an afro.
20100503 18:53:06< shadowmaster> um, no.
20100503 18:53:48< Gambit> loonycyborg: So would a third party remote desktop program be able to override Vista Home Premium's gayness?
20100503 18:54:04< shadowmaster> yes
20100503 18:55:33< loonycyborg> I don't know anything about RDP programs for windows. I've only run winxp in virtualbox and connected to it from ubuntu-like os over LAN :P
20100503 18:58:57< shadowmaster> Gambit: you do have a very high resistance to psychological damage. I like it
20100503 18:59:40< shadowmaster> s/\sa # spanishism//x
20100503 19:00:00< shadowmaster> //x
20100503 19:00:13< Gambit> shadowmaster: You can't break what's already broken.
20100503 19:00:25< shadowmaster> no?
20100503 19:00:36< Gambit> Well not in the same way.
20100503 19:00:48< shadowmaster> that's not always true. I have broken shikadibot in various interesting ways multiple times.
20100503 19:00:55< shadowmaster> with her being broken since day zero.
20100503 19:00:59< Gambit> but each way was different.
20100503 19:01:06< shadowmaster> not necessarily
20100503 19:01:15< Gambit> If you break the wheels off a car, you can't break the wheels off of it again
20100503 19:01:24< Gambit> And each wheel is a different wheel.
20100503 19:01:37< shadowmaster> but I can keep trying to make her be able to reexec herself and fail
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20100503 19:02:06< shadowmaster> I could try again, now.
20100503 19:02:19< Gambit> reexec herself?
20100503 19:02:23< shadowmaster> yes
20100503 19:02:27< Gambit> You mean like start herself when she's not running?
20100503 19:02:31< shadowmaster> no
20100503 19:02:44< shadowmaster> you can't be a programmer if you don't know about execve
20100503 19:03:10< Gambit> I can be a web developer though. :)
20100503 19:03:10< shadowmaster> or fork, or clone, or spork
20100503 19:03:19< Gambit> or a 3D modeler.
20100503 19:03:24< Gambit> or an astronaut :o
20100503 19:03:40< shadowmaster> all that is inferior to the magic of fork/exec
20100503 19:03:50< Gambit> Actually there are other reasons I can't be an astronaut, but that is beside the point.
20100503 19:04:24< shadowmaster> Windows is an operating system where fork/exec doesn't exist. That makes it automatically inferior to Linux, BSD-based Unix systems, and Mac OS X.
20100503 19:05:00< shadowmaster> emulating fork and exec in Windows is proved to cause mental illness, and rupture of bones
20100503 19:05:15< Gambit> Interesting.
20100503 19:05:21< Gambit> there's a pill for that
20100503 19:05:51< shadowmaster> since fork and exec aren't natively available, it also means that there's no kernel-side optimization for emulations of them
20100503 19:05:54< shadowmaster> use at your own risk
20100503 19:05:55< Gambit> Ask your doctor is Suicidus terminitus is right for you.
20100503 19:06:07< Gambit> side affects include, but are not limited to: death.
20100503 19:06:07< loonycyborg> You can't have fork bombs without fork(). They're clearly killer apps of the unix platform :P
20100503 19:06:37< shadowmaster> loonycyborg: you can do something like that actually
20100503 19:06:41< Gambit> Suicidus terminitus is not for everyone.
20100503 19:06:45< shadowmaster> not fork bombs per se, but bombs nonetheless
20100503 19:06:56< Gambit> Attractive women should not take or handle suicidus terminitus.
20100503 19:07:10< shadowmaster> %0|%0
20100503 19:07:39< shadowmaster> don't run a .bat file containing that unless you know you can kill them fast enough
20100503 19:08:01< Gambit> One of my first C++ programs was a program that opened copies of itself.
20100503 19:08:18< Gambit> I beat that bastard too!
20100503 19:08:26< shadowmaster> system(argv[0]) will never equal the beauty that is fork/exec
20100503 19:08:29< Gambit> But only because the copies wouldn't open copies.
20100503 19:08:44 * Gambit can't remember how he got the copies to know they were copies.
20100503 19:08:58< Gambit> I think it was just a pause.
20100503 19:09:04< Gambit> So you have to hit a key to get the first one going.
20100503 19:09:04< shadowmaster> besides, there are more interesting uses for fork/exec sequences, or simple forks, or simple execs
20100503 19:09:13< shadowmaster> one of them is daemonization
20100503 19:09:23< shadowmaster> you get a little follower of Uria for free
20100503 19:09:44< Aethaeryn> Espreon: Ad spatium redeo et errata tui corrigam.
20100503 19:09:52< Gambit> Not to be confused with it's homophone urea.
20100503 19:10:05< shadowmaster> you'll pay for that
20100503 19:10:15< Gambit> with money!
20100503 19:10:37< shadowmaster> no, with your soul, family, and pornographic magazines
20100503 19:10:44< shadowmaster> and computer(s)
20100503 19:11:26< Gambit> sold to the devil, sold to the devil, sold to the devil, and sorry you can't have those.
20100503 19:11:40< Aethaeryn> Meh.
20100503 19:11:42 * loonycyborg doesn't even know what homophone urea is
20100503 19:11:47< shadowmaster> aha! so you did have porn magazines once!
20100503 19:11:53< Gambit> lalw
20100503 19:11:54< shadowmaster> loonycyborg: homophone: sounds the same
20100503 19:12:05< Gambit> uria is a homophone of urea
20100503 19:12:06< shadowmaster> loonycyborg: he's saying that Uria sounds like urea, which I agree with
20100503 19:12:21< Gambit> He also says you shouldn't confuse them
20100503 19:12:33< shadowmaster> it tends to sound the same in Spanish too. And what with that? I'm not like 3sr who renames everything that could be potentially exploited
20100503 19:12:34< Gambit> shadowmaster: vintage porn is an investment.
20100503 19:12:44< Gambit> I made 200% profit by selling them to satan.
20100503 19:13:02< shadowmaster> except Analia because Blamurrarram was making fun of it
20100503 19:13:51< Aethaeryn> What the hell.
20100503 19:13:55< Aethaeryn> Is going on.
20100503 19:13:57< shadowmaster> I think we could be here all the day if we analyzed which Wesnoth names (in mainline lore or in the generator sources) could be bent and turned into offensive words in each of our supported languages
20100503 19:13:58< Gambit> Blamurrarram?
20100503 19:14:00< Gambit> LOL
20100503 19:14:03< Aethaeryn> And how does this have to do with developing UMC for Wesnoth?
20100503 19:14:07< Aethaeryn> as wesnoth-umc-dev implies?
20100503 19:14:18< shadowmaster> anyway, urea is not necessarily just part of urine, know that
20100503 19:14:23< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: what?
20100503 19:14:27< Gambit> shadowmaster: I know.
20100503 19:14:39< Gambit> It was the first organic compound to be synthesized in a lab
20100503 19:14:48< shadowmaster> Gambit: Blamyrryrat, Blamarryrum, whatever
20100503 19:14:51< Gambit> By accident too.
20100503 19:15:19< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: I make the rules. Now kneel before me.
20100503 19:15:28< shadowmaster> ;)
20100503 19:15:34< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Yeah, and before that they didn't think organic compounds could be made outside of organisms
20100503 19:15:37< Aethaeryn> Thus "organic"
20100503 19:15:48< Gambit> Yep.
20100503 19:15:52< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: I know, it's like asking where's the music in #wesnoth-music
20100503 19:15:55< Gambit> scio
20100503 19:15:59< Aethaeryn> but still, I must've missed a bit of the conversation
20100503 19:16:00< shadowmaster> we are talking about Wesnoth naming though
20100503 19:16:08 * Gambit uses some latin 8)
20100503 19:16:10< Aethaeryn> vintage porn has to do with Wesnoth how?
20100503 19:16:10< shadowmaster> so it went the whole cycle back to the topic
20100503 19:16:19< shadowmaster> isn't it awesome? This doesn't happen in the forums.
20100503 19:16:21< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Read the logs.
20100503 19:16:29< shadowmaster> in the forums, you get off-topicness, the thread rots.
20100503 19:16:39< Gambit> They go full circle sometimes.
20100503 19:16:43< shadowmaster> here, you get off-topicness and you are eventually back into an awesome ontopic discussion
20100503 19:16:48< shadowmaster> Gambit: filthy lies
20100503 19:17:14< shadowmaster> I DID THE FORUMS
20100503 19:17:17< shadowmaster> I MUST DI- wait.
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20100503 19:18:20< Gambit> going AFK for a bit.
20100503 19:18:29< shadowmaster> going AFK for enough time to never see Gambit again
20100503 19:18:45< shadowmaster> no, I'm going AFK for half of the afternoon and that's that.
20100503 19:19:34< shadowmaster> I wonder how many packs of urea-based fertilizer can be made with Gambit if we apply a magic juice on his flesh to decompose it
20100503 19:19:42< shadowmaster> what do you think, Espreon ?
20100503 19:20:01< shadowmaster> can we use that to fund a big server for wesnoth-umc-dev? :>
20100503 19:20:25< loonycyborg> Gambit is right. Satan can indeed make a good use of vintage porn: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=4&p=001746
20100503 19:20:46< shadowmaster> is it SFW?
20100503 19:23:28< loonycyborg> Probably yes.
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20100503 19:44:21< Gambit> Hmmm
20100503 19:45:06 * Gambit has it put in his will that his remains not be used in any way to fund wesnoth-umc-dev.
20100503 19:45:13< Gambit> wesnoth maybe...
20100503 19:45:41< Gambit> wesnoth umc dev? no.
20100503 19:45:47< Gambit> Becuase they require that you be 18 to join.
20100503 19:45:52< Gambit> Which is lame.
20100503 19:56:12< Aethaeryn> note that even people above 18 don't act like adults
20100503 19:56:19< Aethaeryn> and 21 year olds *definitely* don't act like adults :P
20100503 19:56:27< Aethaeryn> so perhaps the minimum age should be between 22 and 24
20100503 20:01:58 * Gambit ammends his will to not include anything Aethaeryn is a member of :o
20100503 20:07:01< Aethaeryn> America
20100503 20:07:05< Aethaeryn> I'm a member of America.
20100503 20:07:19< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Are you unamerican?
20100503 20:07:25< Aethaeryn> Do you hate America, Gambit?
20100503 20:08:09< Aethaeryn> How could you dare to say such things?
20100503 20:08:37< Aethaeryn> Should I call Homeland Security? Clearly *someone* isn't being enough of a PATRIOT.
20100503 20:09:52< Aethaeryn> Lady Liberty is crying, Gambit. You made her cry.
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20100503 20:37:04 * Gambit waits for Aethaeryn to return to hear his witty response.
20100503 20:45:18 * Espreon isn't patriotic either.
20100503 20:50:34< Espreon> Aethaeryn: O RLLY?
20100503 20:50:42 * Espreon hopes that he reads the logs
20100503 20:55:51< Espreon> shadowmaster: IDK, maybe.
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20100503 21:04:29< Espreon> OKz, byez.
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