--- Log opened Tue May 04 00:00:48 2010
20100504 00:44:53< shadowmaster> Espreon: it's better that way
20100504 00:45:58< Espreon> What way?
20100504 00:46:10< Espreon> Me being bored?
20100504 00:46:19< shadowmaster> yes
20100504 00:46:27< shadowmaster> would you rather have an "interesting" life?
20100504 00:46:41< Espreon> Uh, no...
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20100504 01:02:16< Espreon> shadowmaster: The tags of some music files are missing copyright info, license info, and the genres are a bit incosistent; some have "Game -Romantic Classical"; some have "Romantic Classical"; and others simply have "Game". Should I fix all of this?
20100504 01:02:44< shadowmaster> no
20100504 01:02:59< shadowmaster> please don't do it or I'll rip your head off and spray your blood in the walls for torturing my INTERNET CONNECTION
20100504 01:03:42< Espreon> Fine... fine...
20100504 01:17:39< Gambit> HIS INTERNET CONNECTION
20100504 01:17:41< Espreon> shadowmaster: Who were your emissaries?
20100504 01:18:04< Espreon> ... when you were seeking a new AC adaptor...
20100504 01:19:47< Espreon> AAAAH! "Thusly"...
20100504 01:20:01 * Gambit loves that word
20100504 01:20:28< Espreon> 'Tis evil...
20100504 01:25:01< shadowmaster> Espreon: some shikadi
20100504 01:25:17< shadowmaster> Espreon: you don't like "thusly"?
20100504 01:26:08< Espreon> shadowmaster: NO!
20100504 01:26:24< Gambit> I just used it in #wesnoth
20100504 01:26:26< shadowmaster> thusly
20100504 01:26:30< Espreon> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/thusly#Usage_notes
20100504 01:26:31< shadowmaster> Espreon: thusly
20100504 01:26:34< shadowmaster> thusly!
20100504 01:26:36< Gambit> I used it thusly.
20100504 01:26:45< shadowmaster> thusly.
20100504 01:27:23< Espreon> Gambit: got.wikipedia.org ...I BANISH THEE!
20100504 01:27:26< shadowmaster> Espreon: yes, I know
20100504 01:27:35< shadowmaster> but I like to torture you with broken english
20100504 01:28:40< Espreon> Ugh... damn GTK apps...
20100504 01:29:00< Espreon> It seems that this weird autocomplete feature is enabled...
20100504 01:29:03< Espreon> IT IS EVIL!
20100504 01:29:20< shadowmaster> GTK DID IT!
20100504 01:29:28< shadowmaster> GTK BROUGHT US THE GIMP!
20100504 01:29:33< shadowmaster> AND THERE WAS MUCH REJOICE!
20100504 01:29:48< Espreon> MEIN GOTT!
20100504 01:32:30< Espreon> loonycyborg: What should be wrong in that test?
20100504 01:33:02< Espreon> Except for some missing glyphs, 'tis fine.
20100504 01:34:38< shadowmaster> Unnheulu says that he's the last Xmoto coder left
20100504 01:35:18< Espreon> ... and?
20100504 01:35:49< shadowmaster> Espreon.
20100504 01:35:53< shadowmaster> a FOSS project could die.
20100504 01:35:58< shadowmaster> doesn't that make you sad?!
20100504 01:36:09< Espreon> Been there.
20100504 01:36:26< shadowmaster> same
20100504 01:36:44< Espreon> loonycyborg: Meh, some of the weird math symbols of which I do not know have hard-to-notice colors.
20100504 01:37:02< Espreon> Then again, I let my projcect died, for it was useless.
20100504 01:37:06< Espreon> *die
20100504 01:37:16< Espreon> Ugh... my head...
20100504 01:37:21< loonycyborg> Espreon: And prerendered images don't.
20100504 01:37:22< Espreon> Damn it Advil... work...
20100504 01:37:51< Espreon> Well, those work here too...
20100504 01:38:05< Espreon> Other than the colors and missing glyphs, 'tis fine.
20100504 01:39:20< Espreon> Wait, actually, test two rendered by my browser is a bit odd.
20100504 01:39:34< Espreon> Then again, I don't care about teh mathz...
20100504 01:40:55< loonycyborg> http://imagebin.org/95484 <- that's what I'm getting. The colors are screwed in similar way to your screenshot.
20100504 01:41:11< loonycyborg> Perhaps ubderlying cause is the same.
20100504 01:41:50< Espreon> Ugh... ewww...
20100504 01:41:59 * Espreon doesn't have that, luckily.
20100504 01:42:11< Espreon> Then again, I don't care about teh mathz.
20100504 01:42:14< loonycyborg> *underlying
20100504 01:42:29< Espreon> I only care about teh runez, teh hieroglyphz... et cætera.
20100504 01:43:04< Espreon> Nonetheless, we must kill FreeType.
20100504 01:43:24< loonycyborg> IIRC there was an environment variable that fixed this issue or some other issue related to it. It was long ago. I don't remember.
20100504 01:43:53< loonycyborg> Unless it's pango that caused it and framed freetype :P
20100504 01:44:58< Espreon> Pango, Cairo, FreeType... whatever...
20100504 01:45:08< Espreon> Just stop being mean to me!
20100504 01:46:48< Espreon> http://imagebin.org/95485 ... Pango's being mean to me...
20100504 01:56:22< Gambit> loonybot: << "Thusly"
20100504 01:56:28<+loonybot> Thusly
20100504 01:56:48< AI0867> þusly?
20100504 01:57:40< Espreon> AI0867: It beeth a trap.
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20100504 02:35:36< Aethaeryn> esr: Welcome back :)
20100504 02:36:24< Aethaeryn> esr: congrats on having a Nexus One, btw... we're a much cooler group of people than those who own iPhones both because our device is technically superior and because we are more exclusive :)
20100504 02:36:35< esr> :-)
20100504 02:36:53< esr> Been using mine for a week now.
20100504 02:36:58< esr> Like it.
20100504 02:37:26< Espreon> Luckily, I am immune to the mobile phone craze.
20100504 02:37:35< Aethaeryn> Espreon: As I've said before, and I will say again...
20100504 02:37:42< Aethaeryn> It's not a phone that does other stuff.
20100504 02:37:54< Aethaeryn> It's a pocket-sized tablet that happens to let you call people.
20100504 02:38:01< Espreon> Cool story, bro.
20100504 02:40:06< Aethaeryn> esr: I agree. It's a really cool phone for the web, and now that competition is starting to come, the web experience will only get better. I have four browsers: default, Opera Mini, a buggy prealpha of Fennec (Firefox Mobile), and Skyfire (which can somewhat play flash videos)
20100504 02:40:43< Aethaeryn> My one problem with the Android ecosystem is that some people on the Marketplace think they can charge you for things you could get for free on PCs for decades now (such as IRC clients).
20100504 02:40:43< esr> I have Dolphon, but haven't used it much yet.
20100504 02:41:10< esr> They'll soon learn differently, I think.
20100504 02:41:44< Aethaeryn> Yeah, probably a bunch of people who want in on the goldrush but don't want to do it for the iPhone.
20100504 02:42:23< Aethaeryn> esr: Have you tried ssh on Android yet?
20100504 02:42:47< esr> No. Is it any different from on a G-1?
20100504 02:42:49< Gambit> Aethaeryn: lady liberty is not crying.
20100504 02:43:00< Gambit> She gets part of it no matter what I write in my will
20100504 02:43:00< Aethaeryn> Gambit: It was a parody Colbert-style
20100504 02:43:05< Gambit> or have you not heard of estate taxes?
20100504 02:43:06< Aethaeryn> XD
20100504 02:43:11< Aethaeryn> Good point.
20100504 02:43:18< Aethaeryn> I'll give you points for that.
20100504 02:43:50< Gambit> Highschool economics ftw
20100504 02:43:51< Aethaeryn> esr: Well, I think the lack of a physical keyboard makes it harder to do something in horizontal mode... Perhaps I'm using the wrong app. Absence of ctrl and alt make it hard, too.
20100504 02:43:59< Gambit> Though I could give it as a gift just before I die.
20100504 02:44:04< Aethaeryn> (irssi is hard enough without ctrl and alt... imagine emacs without them!)
20100504 02:44:09< Gambit> As long as it's under $5000(?)
20100504 02:44:23< Gambit> Wait... we were talking about my corpse weren't we?
20100504 02:44:32< Espreon> Uh... no?
20100504 02:44:33< Gambit> nevermind on estate tax evasion
20100504 02:44:40< Gambit> Espreon: I meant before.
20100504 02:44:46< Espreon> I know. ;)
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20100504 02:48:36< Aethaeryn> esr: Oooh, tentative nevermind... topic in #connectbot recommends an app called "full keyboard", will try it out in ssh when I get home
20100504 02:48:48< Aethaeryn> esr: Have you tried ssh-ing into emacs? I know it can be run without x
20100504 02:50:37< Espreon> ʃː is awesome.
20100504 02:52:00< AI0867> those were 2 boxes for me
20100504 02:52:27< Espreon> AI0867: Get a font that supports IPA...
20100504 02:52:34< AI0867> name one
20100504 02:52:38< AI0867> package name
20100504 02:53:08< Espreon> Junicode should support IPA.
20100504 02:53:42< AI0867> I have it installed already
20100504 02:53:51< Espreon> Odd... I thought that it supported IPA...
20100504 02:53:58< AI0867> apparently, it didn't help
20100504 02:54:05< AI0867> it should support IPA
20100504 02:54:19< Gambit> Espreon: Cool new smiley.
20100504 02:54:27< Gambit> :ʃ
20100504 02:54:30< AI0867> ah, now I can
20100504 02:54:39< Espreon> Gambit: It is not a smiley.
20100504 02:54:41< AI0867> Konsole failed me for a moment
20100504 02:54:43< Espreon> It is IPA.
20100504 02:54:51< AI0867> long s
20100504 02:54:52< esr> Aethaeryn: I justvdownloaded "ful keybord" and enabled it in settings, but my keyboard doesn't look different. :-(
20100504 02:55:10< Gambit> [sic]?
20100504 02:55:19< Aethaeryn> esr: you have to hold the button in the bottom left
20100504 02:55:22< Espreon> AI0867: Voiceless postalveolar fricative + long mark (or whatever it is called)
20100504 02:55:23< Aethaeryn> and select input method
20100504 02:55:26< Aethaeryn> when the keyboard is up
20100504 02:55:49< Espreon> ʃː is how "SSH" should be pronounced. ;)
20100504 02:55:50< Espreon> LOL.
20100504 02:55:52< Aethaeryn> I found ctrl, I'm trying to find alt (or esc) and how to get back
20100504 02:56:00< Gambit> How do you learn/memorize the names of different sounds :s
20100504 02:56:20< Espreon> Gambit: I just do?
20100504 02:56:39< Espreon> Well, I didn't know the name of that one prior to... five secs ago.
20100504 02:56:46< Espreon> (or something)
20100504 02:56:47< esr> Aethaeryn: Button in the bottom left of what?  The bottom-left thing on the keyboard is just numeric shift.
20100504 02:56:56< Aethaeryn> esr: My instructions would be more specific if I could find the way back to the regular keyboard
20100504 02:57:03< Espreon> Gambit: However, I do know the names of many other sounds.
20100504 02:57:10< Aethaeryn> I am a very visual person, which makes it rather hard to verbalize memories :)
20100504 02:57:25< Gambit> Espreon: So where do you go to look up the ones you don't know?
20100504 02:57:26< Espreon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_postalveolar_fricative
20100504 02:57:34< AI0867> on the iphone, the standard keyboard lacks those too, of the terminal apps I've sampled (TouchTerm (ssh app) and Terminal (terminal app for jailbroken iphones)), the solutions range from gestures to extra rows of buttons independent of the iphone keyboard
20100504 02:57:34< Espreon> Wikipedia of curse.
20100504 02:57:38< Espreon> *course
20100504 02:58:06< Espreon> Linguolabial trilling is fun. ;)
20100504 02:58:13< Aethaeryn> esr: Okay, here's how you do it... Settings... language & keyboard
20100504 02:58:16< Aethaeryn> then you check full keyboard
20100504 02:58:16< Gambit> Espreon: But if you don't already know the name, then how do you look it up?
20100504 02:58:20< Espreon> It seems to be popular amongst children.
20100504 02:58:28< Gambit> You can't wikipedia search by sound.
20100504 02:58:39< Espreon> Gambit: Uh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA
20100504 02:58:46< Espreon> Click on the IPA characters.
20100504 02:58:46< Aethaeryn> esr: *then* you hold down the ?123 and something pops up asking for input method
20100504 02:59:03< Gambit> Okay.
20100504 02:59:34< esr> Aetheryn: Everything works as you describe until that last step.  I don't get the input-method popup.
20100504 02:59:36< Gambit> So this is all to annoy shadohmaster with more ssh jokes?
20100504 02:59:40< Aethaeryn> hrmmm
20100504 02:59:42< Espreon> Essentially.
20100504 02:59:49< Espreon> Well...
20100504 02:59:57< Gambit> Espreon: I applaud you good sir!
20100504 02:59:58< Aethaeryn> esr: It is ?123 at the bottom left right?
20100504 02:59:58< Espreon> that's just a side-effect.
20100504 03:00:02< Espreon> Heh...
20100504 03:00:07< Aethaeryn> When I hold it, a prompt comes up.
20100504 03:00:16< Espreon> Gambit: I honestly promote that pronunciation due to its lulziness.
20100504 03:00:26< esr> Maybe I need to hold it down longer.
20100504 03:00:48< AI0867> http://www.openssh.com/images/openssh.gif
20100504 03:01:24< Espreon> Not funny.
20100504 03:01:31< Espreon> Well...
20100504 03:01:44< Aethaeryn> esr: Did you check "Full Keyboard" in settings first?
20100504 03:01:46< Espreon> The porcupine fish is funny, actually.
20100504 03:01:57< esr> Aethaeryn: Found it.
20100504 03:02:45< Aethaeryn> my only issue is that I can't find a quick way to get back to the regular keyboard short of disabling it, and only the regular one seems to have voice input... :S
20100504 03:02:47< Espreon> According to teh ultimate source, these guys invented SSH: http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm139/rprprs/shhh.png
20100504 03:02:57< Gambit> lol
20100504 03:04:58< Espreon> ʃː... ʃː... what would I do without you?
20100504 03:05:32< Aethaeryn> Now I just need a server to ssh into for irssi and editing WML files on the go, since my laptop obviously isn't a good target if it'll be in my backpack most of the time.
20100504 03:05:47< Aethaeryn> Arguably, that's harder than actually setting up access to SSH :P
20100504 03:05:58< Gambit> Editing WML on the go :o
20100504 03:06:03< Aethaeryn> Yes.
20100504 03:06:08< Aethaeryn> You can't ssh into visualstudio
20100504 03:06:16< Aethaeryn> but you can definitely ssh into vim, and hopefully into emacs
20100504 03:06:40< Aethaeryn> So I suppose you're out of luck, Gambit 
20100504 03:06:44< Aethaeryn> :P
20100504 03:06:58< Gambit> Good thing I don't use visualstudio for WML.
20100504 03:07:05< Aethaeryn> :o
20100504 03:07:06< Gambit> Who the hell would use that anyway?
20100504 03:07:10< Aethaeryn> Notepad, then? :P
20100504 03:07:14< Aethaeryn> Or maybe Word?
20100504 03:07:16< Gambit> Hell yeah!
20100504 03:07:18< Espreon> Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.........
20100504 03:07:20< Gambit> To the notepad ^^
20100504 03:07:23< Aethaeryn> okay
20100504 03:07:24< Espreon> NO!
20100504 03:07:33< Aethaeryn> how the hell can some people sprite in Paint and code in Notepad
20100504 03:07:35< Espreon> Real UTF-8 support or GTFO.
20100504 03:07:38< Aethaeryn> and still make passable results. :P
20100504 03:07:38< Gambit> Word is too sluggish for sime WML editing.
20100504 03:07:48< Gambit> *simple
20100504 03:07:51< Espreon> Em dashes are serious shit...
20100504 03:08:00< Gambit> Aethaeryn: I make websites in Notepad too :o
20100504 03:08:07< Aethaeryn> Espreon: QUICK! Add em dashes to all your stuff!
20100504 03:08:13< Aethaeryn> Including your websites... <_<
20100504 03:08:21< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Already done...
20100504 03:08:24< Aethaeryn> Gambit: I use a mix of gedit and emacs.
20100504 03:08:36< Aethaeryn> gedit for quick stuff since nothing loads faster
20100504 03:08:51< Aethaeryn> emacs because it has more fancier functions and WML syntax hilighting, which catches 50% of typos
20100504 03:09:14< Gambit> my latest website is really lame.
20100504 03:09:24< Gambit> Because it's a school project.
20100504 03:09:26< Aethaeryn> Give me emacs and I can do most things, I can even run irssi through emacs.
20100504 03:09:30< Aethaeryn> I did that for about a week just for lulz.
20100504 03:09:49< Aethaeryn> just do the right bash thing and then screen -R
20100504 03:10:51< Gambit> So why's lobby in here?
20100504 03:11:01< Aethaeryn> To lobby shadowmaster 
20100504 03:11:07< Gambit> *why's lobby anywhere but the lobby channel?
20100504 03:11:12< Gambit> To lobby shadowmaster?
20100504 03:11:21< Aethaeryn> anyway...
20100504 03:11:26< Gambit> Lobbying for him to turn off off-topic autoprune.
20100504 03:11:33< Aethaeryn> Gambit: AMEN
20100504 03:11:42< Aethaeryn> I've been manually saving off threads since December
20100504 03:12:02< Aethaeryn> Maybe you should put that in your will, too
20100504 03:12:08< Aethaeryn> Conditionally give Wesnoth $5,000 if they disable it
20100504 03:12:42< Aethaeryn> anyway, I have to go...
20100504 03:12:52< Aethaeryn> It'll be too late to head home from library if I wait anylonger
20100504 03:12:53< Gambit> Nature calls.
20100504 03:13:04< Aethaeryn> and I think I missed the 3 consecutive rush hours
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20100504 03:34:13< Gambit> "Officials have reported that we have almost succeded in putting Afghanistan back how we found it in 2001"
20100504 03:34:15< Gambit> lol
20100504 03:37:57< Espreon> Oh, wow.
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20100504 05:18:40< Gambit> shadowmaster: Ummm I just got a url on the forums with the session ID printed in it.
20100504 05:18:46< Gambit> It didn't reproduce though.
20100504 05:19:19< Gambit> It wasn't a post edit or anything.
20100504 05:19:24< Gambit> Just clicking on the tech support forum.
20100504 05:20:12< Gambit> Actually nvm, looking through my history it looks like that happens a lot. Guess I just never noticed it.
20100504 05:20:19< Gambit> I wonder why it only does it some of the time though.
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20100504 05:20:39< Gambit> Every time the session expires but the login info is still in cookies?
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20100504 05:21:02< Gambit> or something...
20100504 05:21:18 * Gambit makes mental note to ask you again tomorow
20100504 05:21:34< Gambit> Though it'll probably be something stupid and obvious.
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20100504 10:41:55< zookeeper> shadowmaster, skyone is complaining that he can't start a thread in the add-on feedback forum
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20100504 14:05:23< shadowmaster> zookeeper: yes, that's normal and intended
20100504 14:05:36< shadowmaster> Turuk never told me what the formal process for starting one was though
20100504 14:09:09< zookeeper> shadowmaster, uh, ok, but what sense does that make?
20100504 14:10:01< shadowmaster> he didn't want random unfinished add-ons to have threads in that forum
20100504 14:10:08< zookeeper> right
20100504 14:10:26< shadowmaster> can you tell SkyOne to PM me?
20100504 14:10:49< zookeeper> i'll forward his PM to you, he has the details of what he wanted to post in it
20100504 14:11:43< shadowmaster> k
20100504 14:12:14< zookeeper> ok, done
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20100504 23:53:54< Aethaeryn> esr: Sorry, I was too tired to go back on the computer after I got home. Did the new keyboard work well with ssh?
20100504 23:55:12< esr> Yes, but I had the same problem of not knowing how to get back to the original one.  And does it install adware or something? 
20100504 23:57:18< Aethaeryn> hmm, I had to get back to the original one by going to settings, and unchecking it.
20100504 23:57:35< Aethaeryn> I'm not sure what you mean about adware.
20100504 23:58:43< Aethaeryn> I didn't notice anything but perhaps you were using it longer.
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