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20100510 00:04:15< shadowmaster> AI0867: emergency! emergency! they say they are waiting for EoS to come back! [ http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=427400#p427400 ]
20100510 00:08:46< Espreon> Well, who isn't?
20100510 00:19:41< Espreon> AI0867: Yeah, run indexed2rgb on the Saurian Hero and the Saurian Warrior's images.
20100510 00:20:17< AI0867> good idea
20100510 00:30:03< AI0867> EoS still wmllints clean
20100510 00:30:27< Espreon> Excellent.
20100510 00:31:08< AI0867> branching 1.8 after this if it works in MP
20100510 00:31:20< AI0867> want to test that with me?
20100510 00:31:23< Espreon> Sure.
20100510 00:31:30<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: AI0867 * r7080 /trunk/Era_of_Strife/images/saurians/ (6 files): Ran indexed2rgb
20100510 00:31:57< Espreon> AI0867: With version shall we test?
20100510 00:32:05< AI0867> 1.8.1 here
20100510 00:32:11< AI0867> with svn HEAD EoS
20100510 00:32:15< Espreon> Damn it.
20100510 00:32:21< AI0867> any 1.8 should be fine
20100510 00:32:21< Espreon> Lemme svn co and compile.
20100510 00:32:36< AI0867> I just happen to have installed 1.8.1 a few minutes ago
20100510 00:32:53< AI0867> have you checked out the humble indie bundle yet?
20100510 00:33:00< Espreon> If my 1.8.something+svn build will work... then... yeahz.
20100510 00:33:03< Espreon> Jeß.
20100510 00:33:16< Espreon> ... however, I cannot buy things off teh Intermanets.
20100510 00:33:41< AI0867> which era and map?
20100510 00:33:52< Espreon> Meh, IDC.
20100510 00:35:09< AI0867> created
20100510 00:35:59< Espreon> ... and I have to compile
20100510 00:40:16< Espreon> AI0867: May I add a gettext helper file to the EoS?
20100510 00:40:23< AI0867> go right ahead
20100510 00:40:44< Espreon> OK, I'll at least have something to do while compiling.
20100510 00:51:09< AI0867> todo list so far: sounds for eventide attacks, including but not limited to swabbie and herbalist
20100510 00:51:41< AI0867> also, give the herbalist projectiles. only the opponent's reaction actually tells me he's doing anything
20100510 00:52:38-!- Zarel_ is now known as Zarel
20100510 00:54:31< AI0867> ensure þriþþa AI recruits less ballistas
20100510 00:55:02< AI0867> and probably less rushers too
20100510 01:08:07< AI0867> and with a lower priority: I should probably re-frankenstein the runefighter line
20100510 01:11:33< Aethaeryn> AI0867: hmm WML problem
20100510 01:11:47< AI0867> ?
20100510 01:11:57< Aethaeryn> I want to set a variable to be {$side_number}.heroes=0 or {$side_number}.heroes=1
20100510 01:12:06< Aethaeryn> if it's =1, then you get more recruitment options
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20100510 01:12:15< Aethaeryn> I have some kinda syntax error
20100510 01:12:20< AI0867> pastebin?
20100510 01:12:26< Aethaeryn> too complex for that
20100510 01:12:38< Aethaeryn> basically, I define 1.heroes=0, 2.heroes=0, etc. at start
20100510 01:13:07< Aethaeryn> and later I have a filter for {$side_number}.heroes=1
20100510 01:13:10< Aethaeryn> is that doing it right?
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20100510 01:13:21< Aethaeryn> is {$side_number}.heroes for p1 1.heroes?
20100510 01:14:21< Aethaeryn> no, apparently it's not according to debug's show_var
20100510 01:14:25<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: AI0867 * r7081 /trunk/Era_of_Strife/units/eventide/ (Mariner.cfg Navigator.cfg): Fix die sounds of mariner and navigator
20100510 01:15:12< Aethaeryn> AI0867: how should I be filtering it then?
20100510 01:17:29< Aethaeryn> AI0867: basically, I want each player to have their own private variable, heroes
20100510 01:18:06< AI0867> I don't see what you're doing
20100510 01:18:24< AI0867> what's the {}?
20100510 01:18:52< Aethaeryn>                         [variable]
20100510 01:18:52< Aethaeryn>                             name=[$side_number].heroes
20100510 01:18:52< Aethaeryn>                             equals=1
20100510 01:18:52< Aethaeryn>                         [/variable]
20100510 01:19:01< Aethaeryn> I'm trying [] because {} don't work
20100510 01:19:09< AI0867> wow, my server just got horribly slow
20100510 01:19:38< AI0867> yeah, I'm pretty sure that's a syntax error
20100510 01:19:39< AI0867> youlet's start with what you're trying to achieve
20100510 01:19:55< Aethaeryn> I want each side to have their own heroes variable.
20100510 01:20:04< Aethaeryn> I set 1.heroes=0, 2.heroes=0, etc. at the start
20100510 01:20:37< Aethaeryn> then I want to later do two things, give them the ability to purchase #.heroes=1 and then give them extra menu options after doing so
20100510 01:20:48< Aethaeryn> so if p1 has heroes=1 and p2 doesn't, then only p1 can get the extra options
20100510 01:20:49< AI0867> well, I don't even know if 1 can be a valid variable name
20100510 01:20:55< AI0867> but try name=$side_number.heroes
20100510 01:21:03< AI0867> er
20100510 01:21:10< AI0867> name=$side_number|.heroes
20100510 01:21:25< AI0867> you probably want to prepend something to that though
20100510 01:21:33< AI0867> using numbers as variable names is ugly
20100510 01:23:46< Aethaeryn> so what should I be doing?
20100510 01:24:17< Aethaeryn> heroes1?
20100510 01:24:19< Aethaeryn> I'll try that
20100510 01:24:27< AI0867> that should work
20100510 01:27:05< Aethaeryn> what's the syntax for heroes# then?
20100510 01:27:36<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7082 /trunk/Era_of_Strife/ (95 files in 8 dirs): EoS: added a gettext helper file.
20100510 01:28:07< Espreon> AI0867: I have to help my mother, so... yeahz...
20100510 01:28:21< Espreon> BTW, EoS textdomain_checks clean.
20100510 01:28:28< Aethaeryn> AI0867: poke
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20100510 01:39:54< AI0867> Espreon: k
20100510 01:40:03< AI0867> Aethaeryn: name=heroes$side_number
20100510 01:40:22< AI0867> note to self: auxiliary/lineman needs weapon attention later
20100510 01:44:17< Aethaeryn> AI0867: just heroes$side_number?
20100510 01:44:33< AI0867> yes
20100510 01:44:38< Aethaeryn> not working :S
20100510 01:47:50< Aethaeryn> well, almost working
20100510 01:48:11< Aethaeryn> $heroes$side_number says the value
20100510 01:48:15< Aethaeryn> in a msg
20100510 01:48:22< Aethaeryn> but the [variable] name= doesn't pick it up
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20100510 01:48:47< AI0867> what is the line?
20100510 01:49:14< Aethaeryn> name=heroes$side_number
20100510 01:49:19< Aethaeryn> is that bad syntax for [variable]?
20100510 01:52:43< Aethaeryn> AI0867: $heroes$side_number works in message
20100510 01:52:45< Aethaeryn> shows the proper value
20100510 01:52:54< Aethaeryn> I just don't know how to check for it in [variable] :(
20100510 01:58:54< AI0867> show me the [variable] you have
20100510 01:59:01< AI0867> that is, the tag and its contents
20100510 02:00:42<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: AI0867 * r7083 /trunk/Era_of_Strife/ (14 files in 2 dirs): Create several HALF-ANIMATED animations, use them for most of the eventide
20100510 02:00:57<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r7084 /branches/1.8/Era_of_Tyrants/ (era.cfg recruiting.cfg village_remover.cfg workers.cfg): Some things work, some things don't
20100510 02:01:14< Aethaeryn> era.cfg
20100510 02:01:17< Aethaeryn> and recruiting.cfg
20100510 02:01:21< Aethaeryn> the variables in era.cfg
20100510 02:01:32< AI0867> shikadibot: dir /branches/1.8/Era_of_Tyrants
20100510 02:01:32<+shikadibot> Web interface URL to directory /branches/1.8/Era_of_Tyrants: http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wesnoth-umc-dev/branches/1.8/Era_of_Tyrants
20100510 02:03:57< AI0867> Aethaeryn: er, so what should it do if I remove the #s?
20100510 02:04:22< Aethaeryn> ?
20100510 02:04:32< Aethaeryn> well, it's basically you recruit by right clicking villages
20100510 02:04:40< Aethaeryn> what I'm trying to do is have foo if you have heroes=1
20100510 02:04:43< Aethaeryn> and bar if you don't
20100510 02:04:48< Aethaeryn> basic test
20100510 02:05:04< AI0867> and you don't change it yet?
20100510 02:05:16< Aethaeryn> honestly, I'm lost :P
20100510 02:07:31< Aethaeryn> AI0867: What I ultimately want to do
20100510 02:07:37< Aethaeryn> is allow someone who has researched the "Age of Heroes" tech
20100510 02:07:43< AI0867> I'm supposed to recruit by right clicking village
20100510 02:07:45< Aethaeryn> to recruit lvl 2s
20100510 02:07:46< Aethaeryn> yeah
20100510 02:07:50< AI0867> but you removed all my villages from the map
20100510 02:07:53< Aethaeryn> right
20100510 02:07:57< Aethaeryn> you build villages with peasants
20100510 02:08:01< AI0867> k...
20100510 02:08:12< Aethaeryn> AI0867: do you understand my goal?
20100510 02:08:16< Aethaeryn> atm you can only recruit lvl 1s
20100510 02:08:33< Aethaeryn> but since this is a building era
20100510 02:08:38< Aethaeryn> 100g should enable age of heroes
20100510 02:08:42< Aethaeryn> so more of a late game thing
20100510 02:08:58< Aethaeryn> oh, one more bug
20100510 02:09:04< Aethaeryn> AI0867: When you right click to see the village cap
20100510 02:09:12< Aethaeryn> it shows universally, not just for $side_number
20100510 02:09:18< Aethaeryn> which can get really annoying really fast
20100510 02:10:02< Aethaeryn> REALLY annoying really fast
20100510 02:13:26< Espreon> AI0867: Yeah, we should fix some issues with some of the ability macros (e.g., ABILITY_HEAL_VALUE)...
20100510 02:15:42<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7085 /trunk/Era_of_Strife/CHANGELOG: EoS: updated the changelog (with the mentioning of the gettext helper file).
20100510 02:17:33< AI0867> Aethaeryn: it's not the code that's broken, it's your testcase...
20100510 02:17:47< Aethaeryn> ?
20100510 02:17:49< AI0867> you can't use [if] there
20100510 02:17:53< shadowmaster> shikadibot: hi, how've you been?
20100510 02:17:59< shadowmaster> shikadibot: k
20100510 02:18:02< Aethaeryn> AI0867: so then how do I add lvl 2s?
20100510 02:18:04< shadowmaster> shikadibot: help
20100510 02:18:04<+shikadibot> I'm the IRC Shikadibot 0314. You can ask me about acronyms, log/revision(s), dir, file, or just information about me.
20100510 02:18:09< shadowmaster> hm.
20100510 02:18:22< AI0867> fixing it for you
20100510 02:18:28< shadowmaster> I need to fix my hilighting regexp
20100510 02:18:47< shadowmaster> otherwise I'll keep getting this kind of crap in my awaylog :/
20100510 02:18:55< shadowmaster> 20:01 #wesnoth-umc-dev: <AI0867> shikadibot: dir /branches/1.8/Era_of_Tyrants
20100510 02:19:09< Aethaeryn> AI0867: one more tiny broken thing I can't fix since I don't want to conflict
20100510 02:19:14< shadowmaster> 19:48 #ubuntu: <personA> personB: do you know what pam_sm_authenticate is?  That doesn't show up anywhere in my log
20100510 02:19:29< Aethaeryn> it still shows a golden 1 to chop trees
20100510 02:19:32< Aethaeryn> even though they now give 3 gold
20100510 02:19:37< shadowmaster> hilighting "sm" and "shikadi" wasn't such a good idea after all
20100510 02:21:26< Aethaeryn> small problem
20100510 02:21:57< Aethaeryn> with the gold :S
20100510 02:22:03< Aethaeryn> I guess this is something you can't edit in a rush
20100510 02:22:19<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: AI0867 * r7086 /branches/1.8/Era_of_Tyrants/recruiting.cfg: Fix heroes$side_number testcase
20100510 02:22:46< AI0867> Aethaeryn: ^
20100510 02:22:52< Aethaeryn> :)
20100510 02:25:49< Aethaeryn> AI0867: so I can now plug in lvl 2 units for when they have the variable?
20100510 02:29:56< Espreon> AI0867: I'm just going to kill all of the ABILITY_*_VALUE macros, as they are not used, OK?
20100510 02:30:17< Espreon> ... plus they'll have issues with some languages.
20100510 02:30:35< AI0867> Aethaeryn: well, you still have to *set* the variable
20100510 02:30:41< AI0867> but reading it now works
20100510 02:30:56< AI0867> Espreon: let me check them
20100510 02:31:48< Espreon> Also, I am going to have ABILITY_DIVINE_HEALTH_ENCHANCED use ABILITY_DIVINE_HEALTH's menu entry.
20100510 02:32:00< AI0867> Espreon: one of the traits uses REGENERATES_VALUE
20100510 02:32:17< Espreon> Which one?
20100510 02:32:26< AI0867> dunno, that's what my grep said
20100510 02:32:35< AI0867> but I'd guess it's one of the saurian trainee ones
20100510 02:32:56< Espreon> I'm just going to create a separate ability for that.
20100510 02:36:16< Aethaeryn> AI0867: okay, want to test it out in MP?
20100510 02:36:17< Aethaeryn> 2v2
20100510 02:36:28< AI0867> Aethaeryn: tyrants?
20100510 02:36:39<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: AI0867 * r7087 /trunk/Era_of_Strife/units/eventide/ (Auxilary.cfg Lineman.cfg): Fix up auxiliary and lineman
20100510 02:36:53<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r7088 /branches/1.8/Era_of_Tyrants/workers.cfg: Fixing one little and annoying bug.
20100510 02:36:56< Aethaeryn> yeah
20100510 02:37:06< Aethaeryn> it's getting annoying
20100510 02:37:10< Aethaeryn> no test game has gone through all the way
20100510 02:37:13< Aethaeryn> so I'm going to do it team
20100510 02:37:17< Aethaeryn> but that requires playing with an ally I know
20100510 02:37:29< Aethaeryn> and since 13arrage (re)poached nightspore, I need someone from IRC
20100510 02:38:01< Aethaeryn> I'd ask Gambit but I'm not sure he likes a totally different take on building eras :P
20100510 02:38:14< Aethaeryn> I'm on his turf :P
20100510 02:38:15< AI0867> I don't really have the time right now
20100510 02:38:18<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: AI0867 * r7089 /trunk/Era_of_Strife/CHANGELOG: changelog entry for eventide
20100510 02:38:21< Aethaeryn> :'(
20100510 02:38:27< AI0867> I want to get EoS out and then sleep
20100510 02:38:30< Aethaeryn> Espreon: I think you actually did play some Era of Tyrants
20100510 02:38:36< Aethaeryn> back when it was Dynamic Era
20100510 02:38:52 * Espreon doesn't remember
20100510 02:38:56<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7090 /trunk/Era_of_Strife/macros/ (abilities.cfg traits.cfg): EoS: killed all of the ABILITY_*_VALUE macros, as most were unused and would have problems with some languages; replaced ABILITY_REGENERATES_VALUE with ABILITY_REGENERATES_4.
20100510 02:39:08< Aethaeryn> Espreon: I'll show you and you will have your memory refreshed ;)
20100510 02:39:18< Aethaeryn> this was back in November
20100510 02:39:45< Espreon> After AI0867 and I clean up the EoS and test.
20100510 02:40:56<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7091 /trunk/Era_of_Strife/macros/abilities.cfg: EoS: made ABILITY_DIVINE_HEALTH_ENCHANCED share menu entries with the regular version.
20100510 02:42:05< Gambit> Aethaeryn: eh?
20100510 02:43:15<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7092 /trunk/Era_of_Strife/macros/traits.cfg: EoS: moved the traits lists definitions below the traits definitions.
20100510 02:43:28< Gambit> wth
20100510 02:43:42< Gambit> I just got a PM with gratuitous coloration asking me for a step by step guide on making an MP scenario in C++
20100510 02:44:00< Espreon> For realz?
20100510 02:44:06< shadowmaster> Gambit: COZ UR AWSUM!
20100510 02:44:32 * Gambit isn't sure where to begin here.
20100510 02:44:52< Gambit> A newb-to-pro guide on WML was on my summer todo list.
20100510 02:45:21< Aethaeryn> Gambit: I made an era loosely borrowing the peasants from ANL
20100510 02:45:39< Aethaeryn> and all I heard from everyone is "this is a simplified GEB" "this is a dumbed down GEB" "this is like GEB"
20100510 02:45:48< Aethaeryn> people don't even remember the original anymore :S
20100510 02:46:07< Aethaeryn> it would be akin to saying "This is like Harry Potter" when it first appeared in LotR
20100510 02:46:11<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7093 /trunk/Era_of_Strife/macros/special-notes.cfg: EoS: slight cleanups with the special notes macros.
20100510 02:46:31< Aethaeryn> Gambit: so in a sense, be glad that you've surpased the Mighty Bob in one area
20100510 02:46:57< Gambit> I embraced.
20100510 02:46:59< Gambit> I extended.
20100510 02:47:03< Gambit> I extinguished.
20100510 02:47:09< Aethaeryn> Actually, yes, you did
20100510 02:47:10< Gambit> Except his is in mainline :P
20100510 02:47:36< AI0867> not for long if the bugs aren't fixed
20100510 02:48:16< Aethaeryn> Actually
20100510 02:48:18< AI0867> it's like dark forecast: the WML breaks every few months and nobody wants to touch the WML
20100510 02:48:19< Aethaeryn> by his being mainlined
20100510 02:48:25< Aethaeryn> it actually got unpopular
20100510 02:48:36< Aethaeryn> when it was an era, it was all the craze and the most popular add-on on 1.4
20100510 02:48:46< Aethaeryn> when it got mainlined in 1.6 as just one scenario people played it once or twice tops
20100510 02:49:44< Espreon> AI0867: OK, ready?
20100510 02:49:51< AI0867> Espreon: ready
20100510 02:50:04< Gambit> Next up; EEE Aethaeryn's Map pack :o
20100510 02:50:13< Gambit> "Gambits Minigames"
20100510 02:50:24< AI0867> Gambit: DF currently causes several errors to occur, and I know *where* they occur, but as I don't know what that code does, I can't fix it
20100510 02:50:45< AI0867> I could probably refactor it, but then I'd have to understand it first
20100510 02:51:05< AI0867> and I don't want to waste that much time
20100510 02:51:16< Gambit> Whats the timeline on that?
20100510 02:51:27< Gambit> I could tack one more thing on my summer to-do list.
20100510 02:51:37< Gambit> But at this point it's not all going to get done XD
20100510 02:51:39< AI0867> Espreon: created
20100510 02:51:44< AI0867> Gambit: next stable
20100510 02:51:55< AI0867> so you have at least 6 months
20100510 02:53:40 * Gambit doesn't even know what DF is though XD
20100510 02:53:58< Gambit> It's in the current stable?
20100510 02:54:33< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Ahah! I can outdo you if you try to EEE Aethaeryn's Mappack
20100510 02:54:41< Aethaeryn> I can rename it into "Open Mappack"
20100510 02:54:47< Aethaeryn> and have the manpower of multiple people behind it!
20100510 02:54:55< Gambit> Oh that survival thingy.
20100510 02:54:59 * Aethaeryn openz teh source and puts it under GPL
20100510 02:55:04< Aethaeryn> oh wait, it is open source? and under GPL?
20100510 02:55:31< Gambit> Whats the bug?
20100510 02:55:35< Gambit> I never make it past turn 5 in that thing
20100510 02:55:40< Gambit> *wheres the bug
20100510 02:56:24 * Aethaeryn opens the sauce
20100510 02:57:04 * Gambit 's Minigame Bundle is made with all natural ingredients.
20100510 02:57:13< Gambit> And it's a windows exclusive so it must be good!!!1!!one!!1!
20100510 02:57:39< AI0867> Gambit: dark forecast
20100510 02:57:46< Gambit> It's also asbestos free! http://xkcd.com/641/
20100510 02:57:48< AI0867> one of the two mainline survivals
20100510 02:57:56< Gambit> AI0867: Yeah.
20100510 02:58:03< Gambit> I guess I never survive long enough to have noticed the bug.
20100510 02:58:19< Gambit> I'll ask you again later on in the summer for more details on the bug.
20100510 02:59:58< AI0867> well, currently, there are no known bugs
20100510 03:00:06< AI0867> but it does spew errors
20100510 03:00:13< AI0867> because the WML does bad stuff
20100510 03:00:54< AI0867> and I have no idea what that part of the WML does
20100510 03:16:54<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r7094 /branches/1.8/Era_of_Tyrants/recruiting.cfg: Cleaning up macros... preparing for even more changes.
20100510 03:33:43<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: AI0867 * r7095 /trunk/Era_of_Strife/TODO: Add todo-list
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20100510 03:36:47-!- Gambit is now known as Shoshon_the_Eleg
20100510 03:36:51-!- Shoshon_the_Eleg is now known as Gambit
20100510 03:52:43<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7096 /trunk/Era_of_Strife/TODO: EoS: set svn:eol-style on TODO.
20100510 03:53:47< Aethaeryn> Yay, almost 45 minutes, and now comes the images part :P
20100510 03:53:52< Aethaeryn> and then testing :P
20100510 03:53:54<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r7097 /branches/1.8/Era_of_Tyrants/recruiting.cfg: Working on the new Heroes recruit macro...
20100510 03:54:04< Aethaeryn> oh, not to mention the ability to get AoH
20100510 03:57:13< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Honestly, I don't know how they hell you did GEB
20100510 03:57:22< Aethaeryn> if my *simplified* building mod is taking so much time to do :P
20100510 03:57:29< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Brute force.
20100510 03:57:32< Aethaeryn> did you lock yourself in a room for a month? :P
20100510 03:57:35< Gambit> 4-6 hours a day.
20100510 03:57:37< Gambit> Every day
20100510 03:57:42< Gambit> All month
20100510 03:57:46< Gambit> each summer
20100510 03:57:49< Gambit> three years
20100510 03:58:35< Gambit> But that was slowed by the fact that I had to relearn WML at the start of each summer.
20100510 03:58:48< Gambit> Retention is a huge issue.
20100510 03:59:02< Aethaeryn> I must say, I didn't really grasp WML too well in the past
20100510 03:59:14< Aethaeryn> but Dwarven Fortress followed by Master of Dungeons followed by Era of Tyrants cleanup
20100510 03:59:17< Aethaeryn> I'm starting to get the hang of it
20100510 03:59:20< Gambit> Also at the second summer I started from scratch.
20100510 03:59:22< Aethaeryn> only takes 3 WML-complex projects at a time ;)
20100510 03:59:26< Gambit> Since GEB 1 was literally a copy paste of ANL.
20100510 04:00:05< Aethaeryn> ah, that's what the original Era of Tyrants was/is
20100510 04:00:11< Aethaeryn> pieces taken from ANL and pieces taken from one of my maps
20100510 04:00:16< Aethaeryn> but it's getting significant write-over right now
20100510 04:00:21< Aethaeryn> and cleanup and reorganization
20100510 04:00:30< Aethaeryn> since I actually understand WML beyond copy/paste now :P
20100510 04:00:47< Aethaeryn> before recently, I simply had persistance and played a lot and lurked a lot
20100510 04:01:04< Aethaeryn> so I knew (1) where to lift the code and (2) who to bug when the WML I lifted didn't work
20100510 04:01:19< Aethaeryn> atm, it seems to be (1) AI0867 (2) Gambit (3) zookeeper ;)
20100510 04:01:38< Aethaeryn> but now I'm mostly writing and I have an extensive corpus that I'm actually mostly copying myself at this point :P
20100510 04:02:02< Gambit> And then last summer I learned about these magic marco thingies.
20100510 04:02:10< Aethaeryn> Imagine Wesnoth 1.10... two eras, my mappack with at least two more maps...
20100510 04:02:17< Gambit> Which was just ming bottling.
20100510 04:02:19< Aethaeryn> and a lot of campaigns, MP and SP
20100510 04:04:32< Gambit> Aethaeryn: so how big do you plan this thing to be?
20100510 04:05:01< un214> anybody maintaining the wildcard era Default+EE+EOM anymore?
20100510 04:05:27<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: AI0867 * r7098 /tags/1.8/Era_of_Strife/: Create EoS 1.8 tags dir
20100510 04:05:28<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7099 /trunk/Era_of_Strife/units/eltireans/Lady_War.cfg: EoS: changed the grave accent mark in the LoW's name to an apostrophe.
20100510 04:05:33< AI0867> un214: well, EoM and EE are both rather unmaintained
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20100510 04:05:53< un214> :(
20100510 04:05:56< Espreon> un214: I maintain EoM, BTW.
20100510 04:06:21< mysticX> Era of Myths?
20100510 04:06:26< un214> some of the stuff in there was more useful as unit librarys anyway
20100510 04:06:40< Espreon> mysticX: Jeß.
20100510 04:08:34< Aethaeryn> Gambit: well, my development philosophy is very different than yours.
20100510 04:08:52< Aethaeryn> I start increadibly small and simplistic. If I can't make it in one sitting, I might give the whole concept up.
20100510 04:09:03< Aethaeryn> (Of course, the sitting could be many, many hours... usually weekends.)
20100510 04:09:04< Gambit> I think Wesnoths should be able to load multiple eras.
20100510 04:09:08< Aethaeryn> And then I just playtest early and often.
20100510 04:09:23< Gambit> There is no conflict issues to worry about.
20100510 04:09:25< Aethaeryn> So I start with something (map, era, whatever) basic.
20100510 04:09:33< Gambit> You should just be able to check Default + EE+ EOM in a box
20100510 04:09:37< Gambit> and have them all load.
20100510 04:09:48< Gambit> Or GEB+EE
20100510 04:09:50< Gambit> or something.
20100510 04:09:53< Aethaeryn> yeah
20100510 04:09:59< Aethaeryn> but it would be hard on one person
20100510 04:10:06< Aethaeryn> the person who writes the WML-fancy era like GEB
20100510 04:10:16< Aethaeryn> they'd have to have [if] things filter for each era, with new options for the eras they support
20100510 04:10:25< Aethaeryn> like Master of Dungeons has a ton of features that only open up with Bob's RPG Era
20100510 04:11:00< Aethaeryn> I might turn Master of Dungeons into its own era and mappack (as well as an MP scenario) in Wesnoth 1.10
20100510 04:11:53< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Only if that person wants crosscompatability.
20100510 04:11:55< Aethaeryn> Ideally for Wesnoth 1.10, I'll have Aethaeryn's Maps, Thunderstone Era, Thunderstone Trilogy (the first one), Era of Tyrants, Master of Dungeons, and possibly the two MP campaigns I have planned.
20100510 04:12:09< Gambit> Mainly it'd be for the real eras.
20100510 04:12:11< Aethaeryn> I'll have a total of 8 add-ons eventually.
20100510 04:12:26< Gambit> GEB already has built in support for THS and SX.
20100510 04:12:32<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: AI0867 * r7100 /trunk/Era_of_Strife/CHANGELOG: Bump version to 0.24.1, no major version because we retain compatibility (or we would have if we'd actually had a release before on this branch)
20100510 04:12:47< Gambit> But those are both Era+Map Combos.
20100510 04:12:50< Gambit> Not Era+Era.
20100510 04:12:59< Aethaeryn> Ah, it'll be such a pain to upload all 8 of my addons for late 1.11 when the add-on server resets.
20100510 04:13:11< Aethaeryn> I'm such a perfectionist that I don't want anyone to interrupt my series :P
20100510 04:13:18< Aethaeryn> I'd want all of mine in a row
20100510 04:15:30< Gambit> rofl
20100510 04:16:26<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: AI0867 * r7101 /tags/1.8/Era_of_Strife/0.24.1/: Tag Era of Strife version 0.24.1 using r7100
20100510 04:16:35< Gambit> I will keep a contstant eye out on the addon server's rss feed and the minute I see something by you I'm uploading :P
20100510 04:17:06< Gambit> "But Gambit the addon server doesn't have an rss feed"
20100510 04:17:10< Gambit> You said 1.11!
20100510 04:17:13< Gambit> It might by then.
20100510 04:17:51< Gambit> Or an IRC bot.
20100510 04:17:55< Aethaeryn> Maybe I'll donate a server to the Wesnoth project.
20100510 04:18:06< Aethaeryn> Then I think they'd let me get my add-ons in a row :P
20100510 04:18:06<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: AI0867 * r7102 /branches/1.8/Era_of_Strife/: Branch off EoS 1.8
20100510 04:18:17< Aethaeryn> "But Aethaeryn you don't have a server"
20100510 04:18:22< Aethaeryn> But I said 1.11!
20100510 04:18:27< Aethaeryn> I might by then.
20100510 04:18:29< Gambit> "I might by then."
20100510 04:18:30< Gambit> lol
20100510 04:18:49< AI0867> Espreon: time to switch your EoS checkout
20100510 04:19:54 * Gambit forgot urls are case sensitive on linux
20100510 04:20:13< Espreon> AI0867: I don't do individual checkouts.
20100510 04:20:24< AI0867> ?
20100510 04:20:37< Aethaeryn> Gambit: case insensitive can be really annoying
20100510 04:20:41< Espreon> I just have a supercheckout.
20100510 04:20:45< Aethaeryn> try reading the documentation for Microsoft Powershell
20100510 04:20:52< Aethaeryn> CommandsLikeThis
20100510 04:20:56< Aethaeryn> andthenlikethis
20100510 04:20:59< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Yeah especially when your local server is windows and your hosting is on linux.
20100510 04:21:03< Aethaeryn> no uniformity in formatting. Steve Jobs would cry :(
20100510 04:21:13< AI0867> Espreon: right, well, we're working in the 1.8 branch for now
20100510 04:21:20< Aethaeryn> I also hate .ink
20100510 04:21:29< Aethaeryn> or .lnk
20100510 04:21:31< Aethaeryn> whatever :P
20100510 04:21:33< Aethaeryn> get *real* leanks please
20100510 04:21:35< Aethaeryn> *links
20100510 04:21:36< Espreon> AI0867: Jeß, jeß.
20100510 04:21:40< Aethaeryn> damn I can't spell tonight
20100510 04:21:48< Aethaeryn> My mind rotted after 2 hours of tedious macro busywork
20100510 04:21:59< Aethaeryn> Gambit: So THAT explains why you like IE
20100510 04:22:10< Gambit> ?
20100510 04:22:25< Aethaeryn> 22:22:11 < Aethaeryn> damn I can't spell tonight
20100510 04:22:25< Aethaeryn> 22:22:19 < Aethaeryn> My mind rotted after 2 hours of tedious macro busywork
20100510 04:22:26< AI0867> Espreon: so, which icon should we pick this time?
20100510 04:22:35 * Gambit doesn't get it.
20100510 04:22:55< Aethaeryn> If macro busywork leads to mind rotting...
20100510 04:23:02< Espreon> AI0867: Teh direwolf.
20100510 04:23:17< Espreon> AI0867: ... and not the direwolf rider...
20100510 04:23:18< Aethaeryn> And if someone who wrote a very elaborate add-on likes IE...
20100510 04:23:29< Aethaeryn> And if most rational beings despise IE
20100510 04:24:12< AI0867> normal frame or attack?
20100510 04:25:03< Gambit> I wouldn't know about macro busywork.
20100510 04:25:16< Gambit> I write everything out and then macrotize.
20100510 04:25:19< Espreon> AI0867: Normal.
20100510 04:27:51< Gambit> I seriously am quite mad at IE right now though.
20100510 04:28:00< Aethaeryn> It's a stage in life we all go through
20100510 04:28:18< Gambit> Why the heck they would still have IE6-esque CSS support hidden somewhere in the program, and why they would revert to it FOR ONLY ONE FILE TYPE is beyond me.
20100510 04:28:22< Aethaeryn> just look at the code and submit a patch yourself?
20100510 04:28:52< Aethaeryn> surely trident's code is out there, like webkit and gecko ;)
20100510 04:29:25< Aethaeryn> oh wait, maybe it would be better if adobe submitted the patch
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20100510 04:29:48< Gambit> FF and Chrome has no problem using CSS properly on .cfm pages.
20100510 04:30:02< Gambit> It's too bad I don't have full access to my hosting server.
20100510 04:30:10< Gambit> You can make a Coldfusion server parse .htm pages.
20100510 04:30:15< Gambit> Then everyone'd be happy.
20100510 04:30:30< Gambit> And nobody would know how the heck I'm using server side things on .htm pages :D
20100510 04:30:42< Gambit> well I guess JS and AJAX
20100510 04:30:48< Gambit> nvm that statement was retarded.
20100510 04:30:58< Gambit> But IE would be happy.
20100510 04:31:09< AI0867> Espreon: it's on the server, do you want to package it and upload to sourceforge? I need sleep
20100510 04:31:14< Espreon> Jeß.
20100510 04:32:37< Espreon> Wait, why do people like IE again?
20100510 04:33:14< Espreon> ... or should I merely say "Why does Gambit like IE?"
20100510 04:34:16< Gambit> It follows the axiom of Gambit's behaviour
20100510 04:34:28< Aethaeryn> Because 6 out of every 10 people use IE.
20100510 04:34:37< Aethaeryn> Of course, 5.8 out of every 10 people are complete morons on computers.
20100510 04:34:40< Aethaeryn> But that's coincidental.
20100510 04:35:33< Aethaeryn> and of course, Microsoft developers and fanboys are 0.19 out of every 10 people ;)
20100510 04:35:48 * Gambit is definitely not an M$ fanboy.
20100510 04:35:54< Aethaeryn> Right
20100510 04:35:58< Gambit> They make a good OS and a good browser.
20100510 04:36:02< Gambit> Their flight sim sucks.
20100510 04:36:03< Aethaeryn> you're one of the rare ones
20100510 04:36:06< Gambit> Ther game console sucks.
20100510 04:36:08< Gambit> Their games suck.
20100510 04:36:30< Gambit> Thier office software is good.
20100510 04:36:39< Gambit> i before e?
20100510 04:36:52< Aethaeryn> except after chrome
20100510 04:36:58< Gambit> HAHA
20100510 04:37:41< Gambit> Thier virus protection is sub par
20100510 04:38:00< Gambit> thier database file format is alright.
20100510 04:38:08< Gambit> thier SQL server... not so much
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20100510 04:38:30< Gambit> thier email client is amazing
20100510 04:38:42< Gambit> thier media player... blagh
20100510 04:39:20< Gambit> I'm not a fanboy of anything except shadowmaster.
20100510 04:39:30< Gambit> The rest of the time, I take what's good and leave what's bad.
20100510 04:39:31< Aethaeryn> well, that's given
20100510 04:39:36< Aethaeryn> who doesn't like shadowm?
20100510 04:39:41< Gambit> Yeah.
20100510 04:40:04< Gambit> By the way "shadowm" still highlights him :D
20100510 04:40:47< FAAB> hello mysticX
20100510 04:41:01< mysticX> hey
20100510 04:41:28< Aethaeryn> Gambit: really?
20100510 04:41:35<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r7103 /branches/1.8/Era_of_Tyrants/recruiting.cfg: Adding image locations...
20100510 04:41:37< Aethaeryn> does "shadow"?
20100510 04:43:54< Gambit> I don't think.
20100510 04:43:59< Gambit> I haven't found a way to test.
20100510 04:44:11< Gambit> The key is to not look like they're reverse engineering his regular expressions.
20100510 04:44:41< Gambit> At least if you value your higher thinking abilities.
20100510 04:47:49< AI0867> of course, discussing that *after* you've highlighted him isn't very smart either
20100510 05:02:19<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r7104 /branches/1.8/Era_of_Tyrants/recruiting.cfg: Corrections...
20100510 05:02:53< Aethaeryn> Gambit: the shadow on the yeti unit is oddly shaped, isn't it? doesn't really match the other units... too circular
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20100510 05:15:08< Espreon> AI0867: Done.
20100510 05:15:32< Espreon> AI0867: May I give the EoS a dist directory?
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20100510 05:22:19< Gambit> AI0867: He'll never suspect a thing.
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20100510 06:30:32<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r7107 /trunk/ (8 files in 4 dirs): (Hopefully) synchronizing 1.8 with trunk...
20100510 06:30:33< Aethaeryn> I can't wait until 1.9.0 comes out and I can start having diverging 1.8 and trunk
20100510 06:30:37< Aethaeryn> That'll be fun to keep track of
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20100510 08:38:23<+shikadibot> Web interface URL to directory tags: http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wesnoth-umc-dev/tags
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20100510 16:07:49< Gambit> He clearly never suspected a thing.
20100510 16:08:04< Gambit> Multiple things perhaps. But singular? No way.
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20100510 22:24:55< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Okay, I'm getting ready to tag/upload Aethaeryn's Maps 0.5.2. It's been a week, and there's only 2 changed maps, but the fixes are a little crucial and I probably would've gotten this out earlier if I had the time.
20100510 22:25:10< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: There's a new script now?
20100510 22:25:21< shadowmaster> um, no?
20100510 22:25:39< shadowmaster> just umctag-remote
20100510 22:31:30<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r7109 /tags/1.8/Aethaeryns_Maps/0.5.2/: Tagging Aethaeryn's Maps version 0.5.2 for Wesnoth 1.8.1.
20100510 22:33:00<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r7110 /branches/1.8/Aethaeryns_Maps/ (changelog dist/VERSION): I needed to update the changelog first. :(
20100510 22:33:32<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r7111 /tags/1.8/Aethaeryns_Maps/0.5.2/Aethaeryns_Maps/: I hope this fixes the error...
20100510 22:33:38< Aethaeryn> damn it.
20100510 22:33:59< shadowmaster> uhm.
20100510 22:34:03< shadowmaster> what did you do?
20100510 22:34:50< Aethaeryn> I copied/tagged the folder *before* I updated the changelog to say 0.5.2
20100510 22:35:10< Aethaeryn> and apparently using the exact same command again creates a subdirectory instead of overwriting.
20100510 22:35:36< shadowmaster> you realize that you had the oportunity to check what the tool was doing?
20100510 22:35:53< shadowmaster> and yeah, don't try to retag. Make a 0.5.2.1 tag instead
20100510 22:36:11< Aethaeryn> but it's not 0.5.2.1
20100510 22:36:13< Aethaeryn> it's 0.5.2
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20100510 22:36:26< Aethaeryn> what if I have a typo that makes me actually reupload an add-on to the server?
20100510 22:36:47< Aethaeryn> I'm not renumbering the whole thing just because of one line in the changelog
20100510 22:36:56< Aethaeryn> or several lines int he change log, but still, not too much
20100510 22:36:57< shadowmaster> I do that.
20100510 22:37:37< shadowmaster> I'm defintely not going to help you screw up the tag tree (and make migrating to a new VCS eventually harder) by deleting 0.5.2 and recreating it.
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20100510 22:38:24< Aethaeryn> can't I just delete the Aethaeryns_Maps/0.5.2/Aethaeryns_Maps/ folder?
20100510 22:38:36< Aethaeryn> and change the line in the changelog by hand in 0.5.2?
20100510 22:39:25< Aethaeryn> I'm not making a 0.5.2.1 if I'm not uploading a 0.5.2.1. That defeats the point of tagging if a 0.5.2.1 doesn't actually ever exist.
20100510 22:39:40< Aethaeryn> And I'm not uploading a 0.5.2.1 if I never actually uploaded a 0.5.2
20100510 22:39:43<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r7112 /tags/1.8/Aethaeryns_Maps/0.5.2/: *GRUMBLE*
20100510 22:39:48< shadowmaster> RETAG NOW BEFORE I DECIDE TO THROW 2 TB FILES AT YOU
20100510 22:40:15< Aethaeryn> I was just going to change the lines by hand
20100510 22:40:21< shadowmaster> RETAG! D:<
20100510 22:40:22< Aethaeryn> but this works too I guess
20100510 22:40:43 * shadowmaster tortures shikadibot to calm down a bit
20100510 22:41:32<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r7113 /tags/1.8/Aethaeryns_Maps/0.5.2/: Shadowmaster is awesome. All hail shadowmaster the awesome. Oh, also tagging.
20100510 22:44:23< shadowmaster> >:)
20100510 22:49:25<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r7114 /branches/1.8/Aethaeryns_Maps/ (changelog dist/VERSION): Shadowmaster could beat up Chuck Norris. Oh... also bumping version to 0.5.2+svn.
20100510 22:49:49< shadowmaster> hopefully no-one in #commits knows me
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20100510 22:51:04< shadowmaster> *no-one of the people who pay attention to #commits
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20100510 22:59:32<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r7115 /trunk/Aethaeryns_Maps/ (changelog dist/VERSION): Porting changes - help I'm stuck in an IRC channel, forced to report SVN revisions - from 1.8 to trunk.
20100510 23:07:40< shadowmaster> there goes my first non-Wesnoth translation ever.
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20100510 23:30:37< shadowmaster> oh noes.
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