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20100511 02:46:44-!- Topic for #wesnoth-umc-dev: Repository branching still in progress! (trunk <-> branches/1.8) | Wesnoth-UMC-Dev Project discussion and support channel | http://wesnoth-umc-dev.ai0867.net | Staff: AI0867, Espreon, shadowmaster | Project interface: http://tinyurl.com/umcdev | Forum thread: http://tinyurl.com/umcdev-thread | IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org, http://irclogs.ai0867.net
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20100511 14:21:54< shadowmaster> ew, reexecing shikadibot increased our memory usage instead of decreasing it
20100511 14:22:08< shadowmaster> I'll just clear my scrollbacks instead
20100511 14:23:53< shadowmaster> well, that didn't quite help  *scratches head*
20100511 14:24:12< shadowmaster> I could /upgrade but I'd lose my pretty signon time
20100511 14:33:37< shadowmaster> having a running vim session since at least one day didn't help matters though 8) now we have 126 MB free
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20100511 15:57:54< AI0867> restarting mailman and apache helped
20100511 15:58:28< shadowmaster> there should be a switch for "releasing memory to the OS ASAP" somewhere -.- (no, there's not)
20100511 15:59:32< AI0867> or some way for root to hook into the OOM killer
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20100511 17:51:18< shadowmaster> as always, killall plasma-desktop;plasma-desktop  solves everything
20100511 17:51:53< shadowmaster> reminds me of those times when Windows 95's Explorer would occasionally screw up and restart the desktop
20100511 17:52:36< shadowmaster> plz don't allow those GNOME-lovers read this channel logs, kthx
20100511 18:00:07< timotei> :))
20100511 18:02:05< AI0867> "those times"? that *still* happens with windows
20100511 18:02:34< shadowmaster> really? I've not checked
20100511 18:02:56< shadowmaster> explorer was much more stable on XP from what I recall, and I've not really used Vista enough to know
20100511 18:02:58< AI0867> the difference is that now, the sysadmins have tools that allows them to stop me from killing explorer.exe and restarting it
20100511 18:03:02< AI0867> making it completely fatal
20100511 18:03:03< shadowmaster> and 7 is too expensive, I can't buy that
20100511 18:03:22< AI0867> s/allows/allow
20100511 18:03:25< shadowmaster> at least not until I get it along with some OEM computer for birthday or something
20100511 18:04:23< timotei> shadowmaster, if you're student: http://dreamspark.com
20100511 18:05:21< shadowmaster> I don't see Windows 7 there :P
20100511 18:05:38< shadowmaster> and anyway, I'm not really interested enough. The Windows 7 RC 1 VM took up too much disk space here
20100511 18:05:56< shadowmaster> I freed like 10 GB of /home after del-destroying it
20100511 18:06:49< shadowmaster> also, I love Debian and you're not going to convince me to run anything else on my 'puters
20100511 18:07:00< shadowmaster> maybe Ubuntu. Maybe.
20100511 18:07:25< shadowmaster> no, not Ubuntu. Only Debian.
20100511 18:07:44< shadowmaster> I want computers, not time bombs :x
20100511 18:10:25< timotei> :))
20100511 18:10:29< timotei> try sabayon :D
20100511 18:10:39< timotei> or suse:>
20100511 18:10:54< shadowmaster> argh, but Sabayon for that I'd need an Internet connection 24/7, and lots of power and some cooling system for the poor CPUs
20100511 18:11:03< shadowmaster> and I come from openSUSE.
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20100511 18:15:41< timotei> and how's OpenSUSE?
20100511 18:15:51< shadowmaster> um, another time bomb.
20100511 18:15:53< timotei> tbh, it took me almost 2-3 days to get accustomed to sabayon
20100511 18:16:06< timotei> in which way?
20100511 18:16:18< shadowmaster> I went to Debian *TESTING* (imagine that!) for the stability compared to openSUSE 10.3, which is what I had at the time
20100511 18:17:08< timotei> nice :D
20100511 18:17:10< timotei> brb
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20100511 18:17:11< shadowmaster> KDE, some minor bugs in the kernel which I couldn't deal with by just replacing with a newer upstream kernel since openSUSE's have a shitload of patches applied on their kernels
20100511 18:17:32< shadowmaster> and which some essential userspace applications heavily rely upon
20100511 18:18:14< shadowmaster> Debian's kernel packaging tools are very flexible and can make using newer kernels from upstream very easy if you know what you're doing, with no patching involved
20100511 18:19:33< shadowmaster> and I'm always in pursue of newer kernels because of possible performance improvements, and better support for my hardware. Because of that I ran Debian lenny (which has up to 2.6.26 in the repo) with 2.6.28 and later 2.6.31 and 2.6.32 for a long time
20100511 18:20:39< shadowmaster> whereas I couldn't attempt to run a 2.6.14 kernel on some openSUSE version which shipped with a heavily patched 2.6.13 
20100511 18:21:56< shadowmaster> kernel issues aside, I also switched from openSUSE because their package manager was giving me more problems than solutions most of the time, but I think that's a rpm issue that affects any rpm-based distribution.
20100511 18:23:11< shadowmaster> Debian's system hasn't given me any problems, and it's pretty good for rescuing crashed systems too (as in, damaged and missing files in /usr)
20100511 18:24:27< shadowmaster> although admittedly, by the time I had to learn how to recover a damaged Debian system I'd become more accustomed to command line applications and how to make my way through repairing config with just vi or nano
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20100511 18:38:05< shadowmaster> grumble
20100511 18:38:20< shadowmaster> he will NOT miss my text wall. I'll link him to the logs later.
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20100511 19:28:30< shadowmaster> timotei: you missed my text wall :(
20100511 19:28:35< shadowmaster> http://wesnoth.debian.net/%23wesnoth-umc-dev-2010-05-11.log
20100511 19:30:25< timotei> sorry, xchat windows version is stupid
20100511 19:31:11< shadowmaster> nah, I think your connection is failing
20100511 19:31:18< timotei> (reading)
20100511 19:34:01< timotei> shadowmaster, no... it's gives me random times some messagebox: filename encoding is corrupt
20100511 19:34:06< timotei> it's something internal
20100511 19:35:15< shadowmaster> is that from xchat or from the logs?
20100511 19:35:22< timotei> xchat
20100511 19:35:59< shadowmaster> ah, k
20100511 19:36:04< timotei> well, damn it
20100511 19:36:13< timotei> I'm so easily "converted" between linux distros
20100511 19:36:24< timotei> if you tell me debian has kde  - and it's stable
20100511 19:36:28< timotei> I think I'll try that
20100511 19:37:21< timotei> but not Ubuntu/Kubuntu
20100511 19:37:47< shadowmaster> I know that Debian lenny has KDE 3.5.9/10 (or 3.5.10 at this point probably) and it's a fairly stable OS overall
20100511 19:37:54< shadowmaster> hardware support? no idea.
20100511 19:38:10< timotei> ok
20100511 19:38:29< shadowmaster> although it's always possible to make it support newer stuff with some extra effort- if not, there's Debian squeeze (current testing), which has KDE SC 4.3.4 and will soon have KDE SC 4.4
20100511 19:38:56< shadowmaster> now, be careful that Debian will install GNOME by default unless you pass it some switch to the installer's boot CD or something, I forgot it
20100511 19:39:48< shadowmaster> of course, you can always go back and install KDE and remove GNOME
20100511 19:40:23< timotei> yeah
20100511 19:42:38< timotei> lol, fail: KDevelop supported in the 3rd version> java, Perl, haskel, etc, but in version 4 not
20100511 19:43:56< timotei> well, it seems I have full HW support: http://www.kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/DELL/Studio+1555
20100511 19:44:59< shadowmaster> some stuff listed there seems to require a newer kernel than the one lenny ships with though
20100511 19:46:20< timotei> is it ok to get the 64bit version?
20100511 19:46:26< timotei> sabayon works great on x64
20100511 19:46:33< shadowmaster> it won't eat your family, trust me
20100511 19:47:01< shadowmaster> you won't have problems as long as you don't mess with running proprietary 32-bit software compiled for Linux.
20100511 19:48:05< shadowmaster> anything else can usually be made to work on amd64 and if it's free it's also usually available from the Debian repositories to install without worrying about compatibility, compiling, etc.
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