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20100514 03:06:08< shadowmaster> so I was considering killing him
20100514 03:06:13< shadowmaster> uh, hi Gambit !
20100514 03:06:37< Gambit> There's a tvtrope for this I'm sure.
20100514 03:06:57< shadowmaster> *trope
20100514 03:11:08< Gambit> The one for where you walk in on the end of a joke.
20100514 03:12:25< Gambit> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OrphanedPunchline
20100514 03:12:27< Gambit> :D
20100514 03:12:54< Gambit> shadowmaster: So what's up?
20100514 03:13:09< shadowmaster> wesnoth.org is oup
20100514 03:13:12< shadowmaster> up, I mean.
20100514 03:14:47< shadowmaster> woah, what happened to wikipedia?
20100514 03:15:38< shadowmaster> okay, I found the blog post.
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20100514 03:34:35 * Espreon wishes that a runic character were on the Wikipedia globe
20100514 03:34:41< Espreon> ... at least we have a Gothic one.
20100514 03:39:55< King_Elendil> lol
20100514 03:40:22< Espreon> Hwæt?
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20100514 03:46:04< King_Elendil> I'm sorry, but I don't know what that means-unless it means what was I laughing at, which was your comment about the wikipidia globe
20100514 03:46:30< King_Elendil> how are you today ;)
20100514 03:48:34< Espreon> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hw%C3%A6t
20100514 03:49:31< Gambit> King_Elendil: Espreon here likes antequated (FOR A REASON) words and sayings and languages.
20100514 03:49:38< King_Elendil> you know to much
20100514 03:49:46< King_Elendil> GAMBIT!
20100514 03:49:59< Gambit> KING_ELENDIL!
20100514 03:50:14< King_Elendil> I haven't seen yo in a while
20100514 03:50:27< Gambit> Have you seen ying?
20100514 03:51:58< Gambit> [/jokes about typos]
20100514 03:52:01< Gambit> Tough crowd.
20100514 03:52:26 * Espreon hates biding for long periods of time...
20100514 03:54:01< Espreon> ... pofix will take at least one hundred years to finish fixing all of those po files...
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20100514 03:55:18< Gambit> Are you on windows? That counter is never accurate.
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20100514 03:55:41< Espreon> Uh, no.
20100514 03:55:51< Gambit> Was a joke. :(
20100514 03:56:19< Espreon> ...
20100514 03:57:03< Gambit> Because the counter is very innacruate and you said 100 years :\
20100514 03:57:31< Espreon> No....
20100514 03:57:52< Espreon> I said "at least one hundred years"...
20100514 03:58:04< Espreon> ... huge difference.
20100514 03:58:27< Gambit> It's just one symbol.
20100514 03:58:30< Gambit> What could go wrong.
20100514 03:58:38< Espreon> EVERYTHING!
20100514 03:58:40< Gambit> And actually it's not a huge difference.
20100514 03:58:51< Gambit> We're talking about the windows "estimated time to finish something" box.
20100514 03:59:04< Gambit> What's infinity to that?
20100514 03:59:10< Espreon> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22at+least+100%22+site%3Aen.wikipedia.org&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=Sabayon:en:unofficial&client=firefox-a
20100514 03:59:27< Espreon> pofix doesn't have a counter.
20100514 03:59:33< Espreon> So... yeahz...
20100514 04:01:27< Espreon> Gambit: Also, don't you dare compare "one hundred" to "at least one hundred"...
20100514 04:02:18< King_Elendil> where have you been Gambit?
20100514 04:03:02< Gambit> Same place I've always been.
20100514 04:03:21< Gambit> 765 pitt street bedford PA
20100514 04:03:48< Espreon> Get out of mein state...
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20100514 04:04:32 * Gambit isn't even sure if that's a real address. >:D
20100514 04:04:51< King_Elendil> lol
20100514 04:05:00< Espreon> Yeah, whatever.
20100514 04:05:01< Gambit> I know that's a real street.
20100514 04:05:03< Gambit> In that town.
20100514 04:05:05< Gambit> In that state.
20100514 04:05:08< Gambit> In the US of A.
20100514 04:05:24< Gambit> I just doubt that there are actually enough places to have a 765.
20100514 04:05:27< Gambit> It's a small town.
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20100514 04:34:46< King_Elendil> Gambit: what have you been up to lately?
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20100514 05:14:49< Gambit> King_Elendil: Up to no good. :D
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20100514 20:50:57< Aethaeryn> Is there an easy way to remove an overlay in a terrain?
20100514 20:51:24< Aethaeryn> For instance, remove a bridge, mushroom, or forest to its base terrain type without necessarily having to specify.
20100514 20:51:42< Aethaeryn> I don't want to write out a different macro for every possible terrain a mushroom could be on.
20100514 20:51:58< Aethaeryn> Yes, I realize you can wildcard detect a terrain, but you'd still force it into something other than its base
20100514 20:52:08< Espreon> Lemme think...
20100514 20:52:50< Aethaeryn> {MODIFY_TERRAIN} will not work in this context
20100514 20:52:53< Aethaeryn> which makes it harder
20100514 20:52:59< Aethaeryn> I just want to cut off the part after ^
20100514 20:53:09< Aethaeryn> the new terrain system should be made for this kind of stuff
20100514 20:53:22< Aethaeryn> brb
20100514 20:53:55< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Try looking at how the Door unit in IftU, AtS, and TSL works.
20100514 20:54:10 * Espreon is too lazy to type up a storm
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20100514 20:55:06<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r7120 /branches/1.8/Era_of_Tyrants/workers.cfg: Did just about every terrain fix that does NOT require a new system of removing overlays
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20100514 21:12:09< Aethaeryn> Espreon: Is it called "door"?
20100514 21:12:13< Aethaeryn> because grep isn't finding it
20100514 21:12:51< Aethaeryn> oh
20100514 21:12:52< Aethaeryn> whoops
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20100514 21:33:47< Aethaeryn> Espreon: thanks, it works
20100514 21:34:38< Aethaeryn> Forests, mushrooms, bridges, rubbel, and all other sorts of potential overlays can now be removed by peasants wtihout limiting it to certain types
20100514 21:34:55< Aethaeryn> (e.g. 3 separate remove macros for shallow water, deep water, and swamp water bridges)
20100514 21:46:19< zookeeper> maybe you already solved it, but i'd just store the loc, split the string by ^ and use the first half
20100514 21:54:27<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r7121 /branches/1.8/Era_of_Tyrants/workers.cfg: Chop down any forest, cut down any mushrooms, more overlay removing to come, thanks to pieces of code borrowed from shadowmaster and zookeeper.
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20100514 22:17:25< shadowmaster> xorg (1:7.5+6) unstable; urgency=medium
20100514 22:17:31< shadowmaster> * Drop radeonhd from xserver-xorg-video-all.  We switched to kernel modesetting for radeon, and that clashes with this driver.
20100514 22:17:36< shadowmaster> ....WHAT?!
20100514 22:17:49< shadowmaster> how can they do that in Debian if KMS depends on non-free firmware?!
20100514 22:18:49< shadowmaster> whatever, I'm not going to download radeon and the Linux kernel from testing to see what happens.
20100514 22:25:19<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r7122 /branches/1.8/Era_of_Tyrants/workers.cfg: Doing the rest of the overlay-removing, adding demolish castle...
20100514 22:36:19<+CIA-9> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r7123 /branches/1.8/Era_of_Tyrants/era.cfg: Minor bug fixed: check village count should always be at bottom in right click menus...
20100514 22:37:05< Espreon> Aethaeryn: You are welcome.
20100514 22:37:06< Aethaeryn> Espreon: okay... one more thing I can't find a short way of doing other than {MODIFY_TERRAIN} for every little one...
20100514 22:37:24< Espreon> Wait, what?
20100514 22:37:29< Aethaeryn> [Ce, Co, Ch, Cv, Cud, Chr, Chw, Chs]
20100514 22:37:30< Aethaeryn> [Ke, Ko, Kh, Kv, Kud, Khr, Khw, Khs]
20100514 22:37:37< Aethaeryn> I want to be able to go back and forth between this grid.
20100514 22:37:44< Aethaeryn> Aka. upgrade to keep and downgrade from keep.
20100514 22:37:57< Aethaeryn> I don't want a different keep type on top of a castle... ugly asthetics.
20100514 22:38:05< Aethaeryn> and sometimes affects gameplay (swamp/water)
20100514 22:38:16< Espreon> Uh... hmmmm...
20100514 22:38:22< Aethaeryn> I'm thinking perhaps store it in variable form
20100514 22:38:30< Aethaeryn> and append it to overwrite the first character
20100514 22:38:32< Aethaeryn> if that's possible.
20100514 22:39:22< Aethaeryn> Honestly, variables are the only major applicable MP area (I'm not going to even bother with terrains) where I'm not 100% comfortable with
20100514 22:39:25< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Please point me to the grand picture of things... the code... and such...
20100514 22:40:22< Aethaeryn> it's in workers.cfg
20100514 22:41:17< Aethaeryn> shikadibot: /branches/1.8/Era_of_Tyrants/workers.cfg
20100514 22:41:22< Aethaeryn> hmm, that's not the way you do it :S
20100514 22:41:29< Aethaeryn> shikadibot: help
20100514 22:41:29<+shikadibot> I'm the IRC Shikadibot 0314. You can ask me about acronyms, log/revision(s), dir, file, or just information about me.
20100514 22:41:30< shadowmaster> file *
20100514 22:41:37< Aethaeryn> shikadibot: file /branches/1.8/Era_of_Tyrants/workers.cfg
20100514 22:41:38<+shikadibot> Web interface URL to file /branches/1.8/Era_of_Tyrants/workers.cfg: http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wesnoth-umc-dev/branches/1.8/Era_of_Tyrants/workers.cfg?view=log
20100514 22:41:41< Aethaeryn> Espreon: that
20100514 22:41:50< shadowmaster> isn't it nice to be hilighted whenever shikadibot does?
20100514 22:42:01< Aethaeryn> so you *are* omnipresent.
20100514 22:43:41< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: While you're here, do you know if it's possible to append a value of a stored variable?
20100514 22:43:53< Aethaeryn> e.g. store "C*" and then change it to "K*"
20100514 22:44:06< shadowmaster> append, uh?
20100514 22:44:15< Aethaeryn> without needing to do "Ce" to "Ke" etc.
20100514 22:44:29< Aethaeryn> so, just change the first letter of a stored variable
20100514 22:44:36< shadowmaster> depends on the context . I'm lost.
20100514 22:44:45< Aethaeryn> okay, let me rephrase.
20100514 22:44:53< Espreon> Aethaeryn: If you can't figure it out... then I'll help you when I am done fixing pofix...
20100514 22:44:53< shadowmaster> a scalar variable? an array? 
20100514 22:44:57< Aethaeryn> (1) store terrain value (e.g. Ce)
20100514 22:45:06< Aethaeryn> (2) Change the first letter (e.g. Ke)
20100514 22:45:18< Aethaeryn> The only things known for certain is that it will start with C and that we want it to start with K
20100514 22:45:27< Aethaeryn> we're not sure if it's Ce, Co, Chr, or Castle.
20100514 22:45:44< Aethaeryn> but to turn it to a keep by changing whatever it starts with to K if it is a C
20100514 22:45:55< shadowmaster> so you basicaly want s/^C/K/
20100514 22:45:56< Aethaeryn> you actually don't need the if, it'll be filtered before with the menu
20100514 22:46:12< shadowmaster> *not* append
20100514 22:46:15< Espreon> AETH_BUILDING... is evil...
20100514 22:46:18< Aethaeryn> basically C* to K*
20100514 22:46:28< shadowmaster> which is what I said above as a regex
20100514 22:46:33< Aethaeryn> Espreon: macros in macros? :P
20100514 22:46:45< shadowmaster> so, nope, I don't know
20100514 22:46:49< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Worse...
20100514 22:47:29< Espreon> Having an argument substitution thingy in a translatable string...
20100514 22:47:33< shadowmaster> maybe [set_variables] make-an-array-by-splitting-a-scalar thing accepts the empty string as separator
20100514 22:47:40< Aethaeryn> Espreon: Oh
20100514 22:47:46< shadowmaster> in such case it'd be possible to break a string into characters
20100514 22:47:55< shadowmaster> alternatively, it's possible you can do it with Lua
20100514 22:47:57< Aethaeryn> Espreon: It's not on wescamp
20100514 22:48:08< Espreon> IT DOESN'T MATTER!
20100514 22:48:12< shadowmaster> and please read all my messages when I can get your attention back
20100514 22:48:23< shadowmaster> in order, from top to bottom. Don't miss any.
20100514 22:48:24< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: going to try the array way
20100514 22:48:48 * shadowmaster goes to eat
20100514 22:49:02< shadowmaster> since it's rather cold I probably won't be back later ;)
20100514 22:49:08< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Some languages won't be able to properly handle it...
20100514 22:49:30< Espreon> Like your precious Latin...
20100514 22:49:53< Espreon> ... feh... you of all people doing this...
20100514 22:50:57< Aethaeryn> Again, it's a prealpha
20100514 22:51:15< Aethaeryn> I'm not even sure workers.cfg will still exist
20100514 22:51:19< Aethaeryn> by the time I publish it
20100514 22:51:38< Espreon> I don't care, you shouldn't be doing absurd things anytime. You'll just have to fix it eventually...
20100514 22:52:07< Aethaeryn> I know a few of the .cfg files will go back into era.cfg...
20100514 22:52:22< Aethaeryn> village remover most guilty
20100514 22:52:46< Aethaeryn> that is, if deleting files doesn't break SVN
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