--- Log opened Thu May 20 00:00:00 2010
20100520 00:00:21< noy> I'm kidding
20100520 00:00:51< Elvish_Pillager> Of course :)
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20100520 00:13:05< Aethaeryn> Elvish_Pillager!
20100520 00:13:10< Elvish_Pillager> Hi.
20100520 00:13:12< Aethaeryn> Elvish_Pillager: Anything happen to your High Seas thing?
20100520 00:13:20< Aethaeryn> I still have that map, unpublished, sitting
20100520 00:13:35< Elvish_Pillager> It's been so long, I don't remember what state I had it in
20100520 00:14:02< Aethaeryn> :o
20100520 00:14:15< Elvish_Pillager> and it presumably is broken for 1.8 (since I just checked for EoHS, and EoHS is broken)
20100520 00:15:11< Aethaeryn> Okay, I have a THS_Wesalwyn in my backed-up 1.6 data folder
20100520 00:15:25< Aethaeryn> was thinking the other day "Whatever happened to that elf guy?"
20100520 00:15:29< Elvish_Pillager> and if you glance up the chatlog, you'll note that I'm depressed today; I probably won't be able to do much work on anything
20100520 00:15:41< Elvish_Pillager> oh wait, you joined the chat since then
20100520 00:15:53< Elvish_Pillager> * Elvish_Pillager is actually loading up wesnoth because they're depressed as a side effect of some antibiotics they're taking because they're going to have their wisdom teeth removed tomorrow, and wants something familiar to do to pass the time
20100520 00:16:09< Aethaeryn> ah
20100520 00:16:45< Aethaeryn> I made a new era, which you would hate, because it abuses macros extensively to manipulate variables so the code is human-readable and 1/10 the length :P
20100520 00:17:01< Elvish_Pillager> Hang on, what?
20100520 00:17:20< Elvish_Pillager> You're talking to the wrong person
20100520 00:17:23< Aethaeryn> Damn.
20100520 00:17:26< Aethaeryn> Nevermind, then.
20100520 00:17:35< Aethaeryn> *Someone* around the time of Wesalwyn was very anti-variable
20100520 00:17:37< Aethaeryn> Assumed it was you
20100520 00:17:40< Elvish_Pillager> I'm the guy who abuses macros extensively to manipulate variables so the code is human-readable and 1/10 the length.
20100520 00:17:42< Aethaeryn> oh
20100520 00:17:43< Aethaeryn> anti-macros
20100520 00:17:44< Aethaeryn> ah
20100520 00:17:45< Aethaeryn> okay
20100520 00:17:48< Aethaeryn> well, then
20100520 00:17:58< Elvish_Pillager> Ivanovic is extremely anti-macros, not me
20100520 00:18:08< Aethaeryn> tons of macros/variables
20100520 00:19:20< Elvish_Pillager> Anyhow, I'd kind of like to get EoHS up for 1.8
20100520 00:19:41< Elvish_Pillager> Do you know what's changed? (The menu items don't show up.)
20100520 00:19:46< Aethaeryn> Sorry...
20100520 00:19:50< Aethaeryn> I wrote all my stuff on trunk
20100520 00:20:00< Aethaeryn> so now that 1.8 is out, which I figured would be the only time I had something playable, it works.
20100520 00:20:43< Aethaeryn> Elvish_Pillager: do you still have the High Seas stuff?
20100520 00:20:48< Elvish_Pillager> yes
20100520 00:20:58< Elvish_Pillager> I don't delete stuff I write
20100520 00:21:00< Aethaeryn> I was thinking just yesterday
20100520 00:21:14< Aethaeryn> about maybe for lulz adding a similar ship engine to Era of Tyrants
20100520 00:21:18< Aethaeryn> which is a building era.
20100520 00:21:35< Elvish_Pillager> Building era?
20100520 00:21:40< Aethaeryn> ANL or GEB
20100520 00:21:52< Aethaeryn> I copied ANL, but everyone apparently came to Wesnoth after me and only compares it to GEB
20100520 00:21:59< Elvish_Pillager> GEB?
20100520 00:22:02< Aethaeryn> Funny, ANL was very popular *until* it was mainlined.
20100520 00:22:11< Aethaeryn> And turned back into a scenario from an era.
20100520 00:22:17< Aethaeryn> Now no one knows what "ANL" is :P
20100520 00:22:19< Elvish_Pillager> yeah, because they mainlined the worst version of it!
20100520 00:22:36< Aethaeryn> Yeah, but I basically remember ANL from when people played it on mainline maps.
20100520 00:22:41< Aethaeryn> And remember the mess it was.
20100520 00:22:45< Elvish_Pillager> anyway, what's GEB?
20100520 00:22:47< Aethaeryn> So I extremely simplified how it works.
20100520 00:22:50< Aethaeryn> Gambit's Empire Builder.
20100520 00:22:51< Aethaeryn> Never played it.
20100520 00:22:54< Elvish_Pillager> okay
20100520 00:23:04< Aethaeryn> I heard its terribly unbalanced to the point where every map lasts months and ends in stalemates.
20100520 00:23:07< Aethaeryn> :P
20100520 00:23:09< Elvish_Pillager> :)
20100520 00:23:14< Elvish_Pillager> That explains why people play it
20100520 00:23:25< Aethaeryn> At least the ANL games ended in all-day stalemates
20100520 00:23:30< Elvish_Pillager> I mean... Colosseum, Isar's, rumbles in general...
20100520 00:23:31< Aethaeryn> Not enought depth for all-month ones :P
20100520 00:23:39< Elvish_Pillager> Players go for the extremely unbalanced maps
20100520 00:23:45< Aethaeryn> Elvish_Pillager: Want to see my new era?
20100520 00:23:48< Elvish_Pillager> oh, sure!
20100520 00:23:53< Elvish_Pillager> are you on 1.8?
20100520 00:23:54< Aethaeryn> I want to do some tests on it before uploading it
20100520 00:24:02< Aethaeryn> BUt I haven't had a 4+ player game that has actually ended thus far
20100520 00:24:08< Elvish_Pillager> Ah
20100520 00:24:09< Aethaeryn> I've had maybe 3 or 4 4-5 player games
20100520 00:24:16< Elvish_Pillager> yeah, sure, I'll commit my useless time to this :)
20100520 00:24:19< Aethaeryn> and it ends in 1-3 players being total n00bs who don't grasp it and/or leavers
20100520 00:24:35< Elvish_Pillager> I promise I'm not one of those things ;)
20100520 00:24:52< Aethaeryn> It's basically like Empires mixed with Conquest/Empires/THS-style recruiting.
20100520 00:24:55< Aethaeryn> Aka. right click on villages.
20100520 00:25:04< Aethaeryn> It's not that complex, but it's hard to explain so there's a bit of a learning curve.
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20100520 00:25:32< Elvish_Pillager> Okay, start it up rather than explaining!
20100520 00:26:22< Aethaeryn> It usually anyway, I tend to play it with a bunch of Conquest regulars.
20100520 00:26:30< Aethaeryn> since they have the patience for long games with odd rules
20100520 00:26:33< Aethaeryn> and since they know the recruiting system 
20100520 00:26:34< Elvish_Pillager> wow, the lobby interface is worse than ever
20100520 00:26:42< Aethaeryn> Elvish_Pillager: 1.8.0 or 1.8.1?
20100520 00:26:47< Elvish_Pillager> 1.8.0
20100520 00:26:50< Aethaeryn> They fixed it in 1.8.1 by reverting to 1.6 lobby
20100520 00:26:55< Aethaeryn> Since the 1.8.0 lobby is unstable.
20100520 00:26:56< Elvish_Pillager> Ha ha ha ha ha.
20100520 00:27:00< Aethaeryn> As in, you may crash just by idling there.
20100520 00:27:05< Aethaeryn> And you need to filter for games to find the games...
20100520 00:27:06< Elvish_Pillager> wow
20100520 00:27:14< Aethaeryn> Or else hope it's top-of-list
20100520 00:27:19< Aethaeryn> So many bugs that don't pass stress test
20100520 00:27:25< Elvish_Pillager> :(
20100520 00:27:33< Elvish_Pillager> That's Wesnoth development for you!
20100520 00:27:36< Elvish_Pillager> So...
20100520 00:27:37< Aethaeryn> As if the lobby was only ever tested with no more than 10 people and no more than 3-4 games
20100520 00:27:53< Elvish_Pillager> Wait, is this new in 1.8?
20100520 00:29:00< Elvish_Pillager> brb
20100520 00:29:54< loonycyborg> They definitely tested it on 1.6 server
20100520 00:30:10< Aethaeryn> just saying it doesn't seem like it.
20100520 00:30:38< Aethaeryn> because a lot of obvious bugs in first 10 sec of being on 1.8.0, but wasn't obvious in 1.7.x because not too many people
20100520 00:30:59< Elvish_Pillager> It took you 10 seconds?! :p
20100520 00:31:40< loonycyborg> Aethaeryn: What wrong with it beside crashes?
20100520 00:32:12< Aethaeryn> loonycyborg: every time someone joins, it shifts the chat, the name list, and the game list up to the top
20100520 00:32:15< Elvish_Pillager> Uh, it repeatedly sends you back to the top of the games list and user list
20100520 00:32:25< Aethaeryn> which means, every time someone logs onto the lobby, you are stopped what you are doing
20100520 00:32:45< Elvish_Pillager> so it's very difficult to join a game that's, you know, at the bottom of the list...
20100520 00:33:19< Aethaeryn> which, you know, is where the new games are
20100520 00:33:21< Aethaeryn> unless you filter
20100520 00:33:47< Aethaeryn> Elvish_Pillager: anyway, I'll see if I can get someone else to join our game in a second window or something
20100520 00:33:52< Elvish_Pillager> Hmm, this "Conquest" is over a map of Wesnoth? Kind of cool
20100520 00:34:00< Aethaeryn> yes
20100520 00:34:07< Aethaeryn> I don't liike how radically it mods the unit stats though
20100520 00:34:08< Aethaeryn> and berserk
20100520 00:34:19< Aethaeryn> I much prefer "Empires" which is rather similar, and I think Blueblaze also started that too
20100520 00:34:31< Aethaeryn> but uses real units and no berserking
20100520 00:34:31< Elvish_Pillager> looks like it's based on the one that used a map of Europe
20100520 00:34:36< Aethaeryn> yes
20100520 00:34:41< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze's Conquest (original)
20100520 00:34:44< Aethaeryn> popular in 1.6
20100520 00:34:52< Aethaeryn> as in, one of the only maps you'd constantly see from UMC
20100520 00:34:59< Aethaeryn> but there there was only three units
20100520 00:35:08< Elvish_Pillager> yeah
20100520 00:35:29< Elvish_Pillager> pff. Are you going to create the game with your era?
20100520 00:36:18< Aethaeryn> see how easy that was?
20100520 00:36:28< Elvish_Pillager> how easy what was?
20100520 00:36:32< Elvish_Pillager> you're confusing me
20100520 00:36:38< Aethaeryn> oh
20100520 00:36:41< Aethaeryn> you're not observing anymore
20100520 00:36:45< Aethaeryn> <Aethaeryn> hey 13...
20100520 00:36:50< Aethaeryn> <13arrage> Hey Aeth
20100520 00:37:01< Aethaeryn> <Aethaeryn> want to play a game with your other client while you wait the 20 minutes for it to be your turn again? :P
20100520 00:37:05< Aethaeryn> <13arrage> Oh god yes
20100520 00:37:07< Aethaeryn> <Aethaeryn> k
20100520 00:37:08< Elvish_Pillager> :D
20100520 00:37:10< Aethaeryn> see?
20100520 00:37:15< Aethaeryn> I just wanted to wait until it was his turn
20100520 00:37:20< Aethaeryn> now he has to wait for 5 other people to move
20100520 00:37:45< Elvish_Pillager> yeah, I've definitely played two games at once before
20100520 00:37:54< Elvish_Pillager> usually just play and observe though
20100520 00:39:32< Aethaeryn> ok, brb then I'll make
20100520 00:39:50< Aethaeryn> I love my secondary name, Legoraptor
20100520 00:39:56< Aethaeryn> which I use for secondary stuff
20100520 00:40:45< Elvish_Pillager> Ah, there's the crash...
20100520 00:41:08< Elvish_Pillager> I'm glad they release these... stable versions...
20100520 00:41:13< Aethaeryn> back
20100520 00:41:29< Aethaeryn> Elvish_Pillager: ok, be ready :P
20100520 00:41:37< Elvish_Pillager> ready when you are
20100520 00:42:08< Elvish_Pillager> woah too many choices
20100520 00:44:46< Aethaeryn> Elvish_Pillager: I tried to make an era where random would be fun
20100520 00:47:04 * Elvish_Pillager just looked around the changelog for anything that would have broken EoHS, but of course, found nothing
20100520 00:48:10< Espreon> Elvish_Pillager: What parts of it are broken?
20100520 00:48:17< Elvish_Pillager> The menu items don't appear.
20100520 00:48:26< Elvish_Pillager> I don't know if anything else is broken since the menu items do everything else :)
20100520 00:49:49< Espreon> May I look at it? Just tar/zip/whatever what you have now PM it to me.
20100520 00:50:31< Elvish_Pillager> let's see
20100520 00:52:57< Elvish_Pillager> Espreon: okay, did that
20100520 00:53:00< Aethaeryn> Elvish_Pillager: sorry, I had to remake.
20100520 00:53:04< Aethaeryn> gold settings were to low
20100520 00:53:10< Aethaeryn> works fine in 1v1s
20100520 00:53:17< Aethaeryn> but too slow-playing for anything higher
20100520 00:53:55< Aethaeryn> and green has even more gold since snow kinda sucks
20100520 00:54:32 * Aethaeryn pokes Elvish_Pillager 
20100520 00:54:38< Elvish_Pillager> yeah?
20100520 00:57:05< Aethaeryn> Elvish_Pillager: are you on as someone other than EP?
20100520 00:57:07< Elvish_Pillager> Espreon: if you have a hard time finding your way around, probably the important thing is the definition of EOHS_MENU_ITEM in magic_system.cfg
20100520 00:57:54< Elvish_Pillager> no, I joined the wrong game somehow
20100520 00:58:31< Espreon> Elvish_Pillager: wmllint should fix it.
20100520 00:58:39< Elvish_Pillager> oh yeah, forgot wmllint
20100520 00:58:56< Elvish_Pillager> does it have good documentation yet?
20100520 00:59:07< Gambit> Aethaeryn: GEB is perfectly balanced.
20100520 00:59:13< Gambit> Everyone has the same starting resources.
20100520 00:59:17< Gambit> Access to the same unlocks.
20100520 00:59:25< Gambit> And they can choose their starting positions on the big map.
20100520 00:59:40< Gambit> It has a level of balance you can't even get from mainline.
20100520 00:59:45< Gambit> The large game times are not due to balance.
20100520 01:00:06< Gambit> They are because GEB favors those who take defensive postures.
20100520 01:00:13< Gambit> It is an "empire" builder.
20100520 01:00:20< Blueblaze> hey
20100520 01:00:21< Gambit> The game is a series of small skirmishes.
20100520 01:00:22< Blueblaze> oh
20100520 01:00:25< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn pinged me
20100520 01:00:30 * Blueblaze goes back in hiding
20100520 01:00:34< Espreon> Elvish_Pillager: Your includes are just obsolete; @ is obsolete, and "campaigns" is no longer the name of the directory that holds addons, thus "@campaigns" -> "~addons"
20100520 01:00:56< Elvish_Pillager> ah, okay
20100520 01:01:01< Elvish_Pillager> mm
20100520 01:02:05< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: forgot you were in this chan.
20100520 01:02:14< Aethaeryn> Gambit: I don't mean imbalanced as "unfair on a player"
20100520 01:02:17< Elvish_Pillager> um, how do I get/find wmllint :(
20100520 01:02:21< Aethaeryn> but rather "unwinnable"
20100520 01:02:45< Espreon> Elvish_Pillager: Also, you didn't declare a textdomain; your files aren't even bound to any textdomain.
20100520 01:02:59< Espreon> wmllint and friends are found in data/tools
20100520 01:03:40< Elvish_Pillager> there isn't a tools/ in my data/
20100520 01:04:12< Espreon> Look where Wesnoth is, not your userdata directory.
20100520 01:04:18< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: I might as well not be in here, I don't read anything anyway :p
20100520 01:04:19< Elvish_Pillager> I am doing that
20100520 01:04:41< Espreon> Elvish_Pillager: Which OS are you using? If you are using Linux, which distro?
20100520 01:04:46< Elvish_Pillager> ubuntu
20100520 01:05:00< Espreon> OK, look for a tools package for Wesnoth.
20100520 01:05:19< Elvish_Pillager> ah okay
20100520 01:06:42< Espreon> Would you like me to fix all of the issues that EoHS has, as I can readily do so?
20100520 01:06:53< Elvish_Pillager> oh, that would be nice
20100520 01:07:14< Espreon> All right then.
20100520 01:07:16< Elvish_Pillager> Except for the obscure bugs :-p
20100520 01:07:35< Espreon> What are these obscure bugs of which you speak?
20100520 01:07:45< Elvish_Pillager> I mean, bugs in the actual add-on.
20100520 01:07:55< Espreon> Oh, heh.
20100520 01:08:05< Espreon> I'm too lazy to do that, so, don't worry.
20100520 01:15:18< Gambit> Aethaeryn: It's winnable too.
20100520 01:15:57< Gambit> The time it takes to win and the map size are inversely related.
20100520 01:16:21< Gambit> K=M/T where K is a yes unknown constant.
20100520 01:16:41< Gambit> Or is it K=MT
20100520 01:17:47< Gambit> Yeah it's k=mt.
20100520 01:18:08< Gambit> Given enough time, or a small enough map, all games will end.
20100520 01:18:58< Gambit> Even if one of the players die.
20100520 01:19:07< Gambit> Their descendants could pick it up.
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20100520 01:34:16< Elvish_Pillager> Espreon: did you fix EoHS?
20100520 01:38:51< Espreon> Elvish_Pillager: Sent.
20100520 01:40:32< Espreon> Elvish_Pillager: No, wait. Hold on.
20100520 01:42:48< Espreon> Elvish_Pillager: Never mind.
20100520 01:43:25< Espreon> I'm sorry, but I'm not dealing with those fatal preprocessor issues; über macro usage makes working with things really annoying.
20100520 01:43:42< Elvish_Pillager> oh gosh, they broke the preprocessor?
20100520 01:43:54< Espreon> Blame silene.
20100520 01:44:07< Elvish_Pillager> Espreon: you PM'd it to me? can't receive it currently
20100520 01:44:18< Espreon> Yeah.
20100520 01:44:30< Elvish_Pillager> e-mail it to me at from.my.website@eli.cedarswampstudios.org ?
20100520 01:44:31< Espreon> No, wait, never mind, I was running it in trunk.
20100520 01:44:39< Espreon> But, I'd fix the issues anyway.
20100520 01:44:50< Elvish_Pillager> What issues?
20100520 01:45:15< Espreon> I'll include the output in the email.
20100520 01:45:19< Elvish_Pillager> okay
20100520 01:45:28< Elvish_Pillager> it might have that output in 1.8 too?
20100520 01:45:50< Elvish_Pillager> well, I'm the hacker who wrote it despite great similar difficulties in the first place, so it's down to me to fix it again :(
20100520 01:46:10< Espreon> Elvish_Pillager: This'll be more detailed.
20100520 01:47:14< Espreon> Also, some parts of EoHS won't play nicely with some languages, but, I believe that some of those things are uncorrectable without... yeahz.
20100520 01:49:53< Espreon> Elvish_Pillager: Sent.
20100520 01:49:59< Elvish_Pillager> thanks
20100520 01:50:03< Espreon> You are welcome.
20100520 01:50:04< Elvish_Pillager> Yeah, I know :)
20100520 01:50:26 * Espreon rolls his eyes
20100520 01:50:37< Elvish_Pillager> No, I meant about the language thing
20100520 01:50:40< Espreon> I know.
20100520 01:51:01< Elvish_Pillager> but I thought I engineered it to not break translation too horribly
20100520 01:51:08< Espreon> We really need support for gettext plurals...
20100520 01:51:13< Elvish_Pillager> hang on, it's my turn in the game :)
20100520 01:53:17< Espreon> Elvish_Pillager: Again, I'm sorry for not taking care of some of the things that I mentioned, but working with things that have über macro usage... is... really annoying.
20100520 01:53:29< Elvish_Pillager> I know. I'll deal with it
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20100520 01:58:50< Espreon> summons.cfg is one file that makes me cry.
20100520 01:59:06-!- loonybot [~loonybot@wesnoth/bot/loonybot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20100520 01:59:07< Elvish_Pillager> But it's the best!
20100520 01:59:39< Elvish_Pillager> and all the strings are written down as one unit, no concatenation or anthing
20100520 01:59:57< Espreon> Except for the gold cost stuff.
20100520 02:00:08< Espreon> Your silly Slavic languages won't be able to handle that well.
20100520 02:00:18< Elvish_Pillager> ah, yeah
20100520 02:00:39< Elvish_Pillager> but what can I do about that?
20100520 02:00:42< Espreon> ... and yes, people still speak Slavic languages.
20100520 02:00:44< Espreon> Hmmm...
20100520 02:01:12< Espreon> Let me get acquainted with your little abomination first...
20100520 02:04:01< Espreon> Well, if the costs don't actually change, just replace the variable substitutions with the actual costs.
20100520 02:04:44< Elvish_Pillager> And duplicate code??!?! *shock horror*
20100520 02:05:23< Elvish_Pillager> the costs do change, though
20100520 02:05:57< Espreon> Code duplication, my ass.
20100520 02:06:02< Espreon> Hmmm...
20100520 02:06:14< Espreon> Well, we could bitch for gettext plurals support.
20100520 02:06:22< Elvish_Pillager> Well, seriously. If I did that, then I'd practically guarantee having a number mismatch eventually
20100520 02:06:24< Espreon> But then there's gender...
20100520 02:07:49< Espreon> Just explain to me when the costs change, what causes the changes, et cætera.
20100520 02:08:00< Espreon> I'm not reading a glob of macro calls.
20100520 02:08:03< Elvish_Pillager> okay.
20100520 02:08:17< Elvish_Pillager> There's a base cost, but you can give your hero an ability that reduces the cost of all summons.
20100520 02:08:20-!- Zarel is now known as Zarel|AFK
20100520 02:08:27< Elvish_Pillager> So there are currently only two possible costs for each unit.
20100520 02:09:18< Espreon> OK, good, only two possible sets of values.
20100520 02:09:50< Espreon> Well, then just create separate strings and adapt the code to support them... yeahz.
20100520 02:10:32< Elvish_Pillager> Ugh.
20100520 02:10:43< Elvish_Pillager> Then I could have THREE inconsistent values!
20100520 02:10:43< Espreon> Better than pissing off the Slavophone.
20100520 02:11:35< Espreon> The Slavs are pretty cool guys, they hold on to many features from PIE, and don't afraid of anything.
20100520 02:12:06< Elvish_Pillager> Hah, it's put underscores in places where they will show up in the message.
20100520 02:12:23< Elvish_Pillager> I have some maintenance to do.
20100520 02:13:03< Espreon> But seriously, please clean up your linguistically abominable addon.
20100520 02:13:09< Espreon> ... or I'll cry.
20100520 02:13:14< Espreon> Yeahz...
20100520 02:13:30< Elvish_Pillager> Uh
20100520 02:13:53< Elvish_Pillager> Look, I'm a coder, not a linguist. You're never going to convince me to commit a coding abomination to fix a linguistic one.
20100520 02:14:39< Espreon> Well fine, have your content be translated into utter crap in many languages.
20100520 02:15:12< Elvish_Pillager> I'm glad I have so many people volunteering to translate my add-on already though :/
20100520 02:16:00< Espreon> Heh, maybe they'll bash some sense into yu.
20100520 02:16:01< Espreon> *you
20100520 02:22:53< Elvish_Pillager> what? I was being sarcastic
20100520 02:23:32< Espreon> Do you think that I care?
20100520 02:23:40< Elvish_Pillager> No.
20100520 02:23:46< Espreon> Exactly.
20100520 02:33:38< shadowmaster> Espreon: I've gone back to the translator business!
20100520 02:36:13< Espreon> Oh?
20100520 02:36:32< Espreon> shadowmaster: Tell me moar.
20100520 02:37:44< shadowmaster> except, not for wesnoth
20100520 02:38:12< Espreon> OK, but still, tell me more.
20100520 02:38:51< shadowmaster> I'm maintaining the newly founded spanish translation of atheme-services, the IRC services software that runs on freenode
20100520 02:39:27< Espreon> Ah, nice.
20100520 02:39:27< shadowmaster> this will eventually make this network more accessible to spanish speaking people
20100520 02:39:36< Espreon> Cool.
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20100520 03:38:34< shadowmaster> you know what would be awesome?
20100520 03:39:21< shadowmaster> I should buy a Bertie plush and set it on fire. In middle of a crowded park.
20100520 03:39:51< shadowmaster> With a giant sign reading "PHPBB KILLED MY MIND".
20100520 03:41:14< shadowmaster> also, thespaceinvader has been punished for spamming
20100520 03:42:45< shadowmaster> no shit: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=30031&p=429196#p429196
20100520 03:46:01< Espreon> Oh, wow.
20100520 03:46:56 * Gambit sniffs about authorization
20100520 03:47:03< shadowmaster> mwahahaha
20100520 03:47:20< Espreon> Exactly.
20100520 03:50:05< shadowmaster> crap.
20100520 03:50:11< shadowmaster> IPS can't use a spellchecker
20100520 03:50:30< Gambit> shadowmaster: It's okay. Google added IPS to their translation services.
20100520 03:50:44< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=429209#p429209
20100520 03:50:53< shadowmaster> I really hope Hulavuta was not being serious
20100520 03:51:07< shadowmaster> WAIT, HE DIDN'T SAY COPIEING
20100520 03:51:14< shadowmaster> HE WAS BEING SERIOUS!
20100520 03:51:45< Gambit> You won't learn by copying peoples code?
20100520 03:51:46< shadowmaster> then I hope he didn't mean "your" for IPS' case in particular, but a more general and rethorical "your"
20100520 03:51:50< Gambit> Tell that to everyone who knows WML ever.
20100520 03:52:27< shadowmaster> I can use a spellchecker. I just don't wanna!
20100520 03:52:27< shadowmaster> hahaha
20100520 03:52:35< shadowmaster> okay, fine, fine. s/rethor/rhetor/
20100520 03:53:02< Gambit> But rethorical sounds so much cooler.
20100520 03:53:25< shadowmaster> reTHORical
20100520 03:53:28< shadowmaster> indeed, it does
20100520 03:54:20< Gambit> No it's: retHORical.
20100520 03:54:34< Gambit> Some of her cuts were vertical and some were HORizontal.
20100520 03:54:35< shadowmaster> no, reTHORical
20100520 03:54:49< Gambit> She looked like she'd been dragged behind a HORse.
20100520 03:54:58 * shadowmaster raises eyebrow
20100520 03:55:09< Gambit> Maybe I should here her up. I'll play her a prostitune on my hormonica.
20100520 03:55:11< shadowmaster> well, lol-worthy exchange here http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=429144#p429144
20100520 03:55:12< Gambit> *cheer
20100520 03:55:45< Gambit> shadowmaster:
20100520 03:55:52< Gambit> I know you don't watch youtube videos.
20100520 03:55:58< Gambit> But please watch this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSWSi5Wa06A
20100520 03:56:16< Gambit> Also I saw that thread, and I thought it was weird that he would even wonder that.
20100520 03:56:17< shadowmaster> feel free to derail the thread regarding the fair usageness of avatars, but I'll decapitate you if you don't split it afterwards
20100520 03:56:29< Espreon> shadowmaster: There is no dental fricative in "rhetorical".
20100520 03:56:30< shadowmaster> that wasn't for Gambit of course, he can't split threads in OT
20100520 03:56:40< shadowmaster> ;)
20100520 03:56:49< Gambit> shadowmaster: That was a HORrible thing to do.
20100520 03:56:51< shadowmaster> Espreon: you kids and your silly phonetic technicisms
20100520 03:56:52< Gambit> HORific!
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20100520 03:57:03< shadowmaster> Gambit: how long is it?
20100520 03:57:08< Gambit> 2:25
20100520 03:57:12< shadowmaster> too long
20100520 03:57:15< Espreon> shadowmaster: Or as you kids like to call it, the "th" sound.
20100520 03:57:16< shadowmaster> didn't watch
20100520 03:57:26< Gambit> I knew today wasn't going to go well. You see this morning I read my HORiscope.
20100520 03:57:28< shadowmaster> Espreon: I know, but I like to insert one
20100520 03:57:45< shadowmaster> "priviledge"
20100520 03:57:49< shadowmaster> I like that misspelling too
20100520 03:58:00< Gambit> the ledge on the privi.
20100520 03:58:06< Espreon> I also suppose that you are a fanatic of good ol' "Thighland", jeß?
20100520 03:58:11 * shadowmaster removes Gambit from the ledge
20100520 03:58:16< Gambit> *privy?
20100520 03:58:39 * Gambit is not familiar with the spellings of obscure synonyms for bathroom.
20100520 03:58:45< shadowmaster> Espreon: I like ths although I can't really prononunce them
20100520 03:59:13< Espreon> Pronounce hwæt, exactly?
20100520 03:59:37< shadowmaster> THORN
20100520 03:59:40< shadowmaster> THUNDER
20100520 03:59:45< Gambit> tHORn
20100520 03:59:48< shadowmaster> THUNDER
20100520 03:59:54< Espreon> Gambit: No.
20100520 03:59:55< shadowmaster> THUNDERCATS...HOOOOO!
20100520 04:00:11< Espreon> shadowmaster: So, you're saying that you suck at making dental fricatives?
20100520 04:00:15< shadowmaster> yes
20100520 04:00:46< Gambit> shadowmaster: The video will make my last 6 jokes clear :D
20100520 04:00:49< Espreon> Put the tip of your tongue on the bottom of your upper incisors and blow air out.
20100520 04:01:01< shadowmaster> damn, it had to be there
20100520 04:01:08< Espreon> ?
20100520 04:01:09< shadowmaster> there's an awful lot of separation between them
20100520 04:01:28< shadowmaster> I'm actually supposed to keep my tongue off that part, according to my dentist
20100520 04:01:29< Espreon> Then... on at least one of them.
20100520 04:01:40< Espreon> On the back?
20100520 04:01:44< shadowmaster> yup
20100520 04:01:44< Espreon> No... hmmm...
20100520 04:01:55< shadowmaster> okay, I understand
20100520 04:02:05< shadowmaster> I still don't think I'm doing it right™
20100520 04:02:07< Espreon> You don't have to press greatly on your teeth.
20100520 04:02:33< shadowmaster> it sounds like something between an s and an f
20100520 04:02:33< Gambit> There's actually a cushion of air between them.
20100520 04:04:09< shadowmaster> Espreon: am I doing it right or not?
20100520 04:04:34< Espreon> shadowmaster: Voiced (do the same, but have your larynx do something): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Voiced_dental_fricative.ogg ; unvoiced: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Voiceless_dental_fricative.ogg
20100520 04:04:49 * shadowmaster summons wget
20100520 04:05:19< Gambit> Bite your tounge and blow.
20100520 04:05:22< shadowmaster> not wget friendly.
20100520 04:05:25< shadowmaster> wikipedia, you suck
20100520 04:05:26< Gambit> *tongue?
20100520 04:05:34< shadowmaster> even SF.net knows how to handle wget
20100520 04:05:48< shadowmaster> tongue indeed
20100520 04:05:50< Espreon> Gambit: It doesn't matter.
20100520 04:05:55< shadowmaster> wait, what?
20100520 04:05:56< Espreon> "Tongue" is a Frenchified spelling.
20100520 04:06:21< Espreon> "Tunge" is the purest.
20100520 04:06:21< shadowmaster> I haz ogg
20100520 04:06:29< shadowmaster> Espreon: check your IRC query
20100520 04:06:34< Espreon> I know.
20100520 04:06:37< shadowmaster> It's too cold, I want to go to bed now
20100520 04:06:43< Espreon> shadowmaster: Try unvoiced first... when you have the chance.
20100520 04:06:57< shadowmaster> okay
20100520 04:07:03< shadowmaster> also, you truly don't want me to get a cold
20100520 04:07:11< shadowmaster> I could, you know, ban random people frm the forums.
20100520 04:07:31< Espreon> When I said to do things with your larynx, just say "uh" and drag it out.
20100520 04:07:33< shadowmaster> or worse. I could stop running the hamster wheel and the forums would cease functionaing.
20100520 04:07:45< Espreon> So, just keep doing that, and put your tunge in the proper place while doing it.
20100520 04:07:47< shadowmaster> *on the
20100520 04:07:56< Gambit> shadowmaster: Yeah but the odds aren't good that you'd ban somebody important.
20100520 04:07:59< Gambit> If it's truly random.
20100520 04:08:03< Gambit> A lot of accounts with 0 posts.
20100520 04:08:09< Gambit> Or ones that've not been used in years.
20100520 04:08:32< Gambit> Of course if you use the wesnoth rng.
20100520 04:08:38< Gambit> You'd probably ban the whole art team.
20100520 04:08:52< shadowmaster> Gambit: I'm immune to bans.
20100520 04:09:10< shadowmaster> so yeah, I can't ban anyone important.
20100520 04:09:25< shadowmaster> oh wait, you saying there's more important people than me?!1one!
20100520 04:09:48< shadowmaster> what happened to the church, man. We were having good times.
20100520 04:09:56< shadowmaster> I mean my church.
20100520 04:11:22< Gambit> Of the 563 pages of members.
20100520 04:11:29< Gambit> Only the first 349 pages have posts.
20100520 04:11:38< Gambit> Only the first ~200 pages have >5 posts
20100520 04:12:06< Gambit> *only the first 128 have more than 5
20100520 04:12:56< Gambit> shadowmaster: No. I'm saying that if you pick someone at random to ban the odds are good that it'll be an unused account
20100520 04:13:09< shadowmaster> No.
20100520 04:13:15< shadowmaster> odds are it'll be a posting account
20100520 04:13:27< shadowmaster> because, I click on their profile link and head to the banning pages of the MCP
20100520 04:13:34< shadowmaster> it could be yours
20100520 04:13:42< shadowmaster> so, be a good kid and don't make me catch a cold
20100520 04:13:56< Gambit> You know what's great for a cold?
20100520 04:14:03< Gambit> Youtube links to WKUK sketches!
20100520 04:14:04< shadowmaster> and then noöne will get harmed
20100520 04:14:07< shadowmaster> yeahz
20100520 04:14:07< Gambit> And spicy good.
20100520 04:14:09< Gambit> *food
20100520 04:14:12< shadowmaster> no, no youtube for me
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20100520 04:14:35< Gambit> Interesting...
20100520 04:14:36< shadowmaster> wesbot: seen CHusslove
20100520 04:14:36<+wesbot> shadowmaster: The person with the nick Chusslove 24d 2h ago they were seen quitting on the channel #wesnoth-dev with the message: Read error: Operation timed out
20100520 04:14:42< shadowmaster> /o\
20100520 04:14:45< Gambit> That message is clearly meant to be viral.
20100520 04:14:50< shadowmaster> Espreon: indeed
20100520 04:15:58< Espreon> Gambit: No, no, I'm just trying to stir up the Slavophone in order to get gettext plurals support in WML implemented.
20100520 04:16:19< shadowmaster> not that message
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20100520 04:16:37< Espreon> Oh...
20100520 04:16:43 * Espreon hates that message.
20100520 04:16:57< Gambit> Let's replace our quit messages with it!
20100520 04:16:57< shadowmaster> I do too
20100520 04:17:05< Gambit> Reverse psychology :o
20100520 04:17:19< Espreon> How 'bout we don't?
20100520 04:17:28< shadowmaster> maybe, since I'm an atheme translator now I could force a silence-quit-or-part-messages cmode into charybdis and ircd-seven too
20100520 04:17:34< shadowmaster> nah.
20100520 04:17:37< Gambit> Which brings us to, oh look at that, another WKUK sketch!
20100520 04:17:40< Gambit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgrE1yygZmk
20100520 04:17:41< shadowmaster> creeping featurism, that would be.
20100520 04:17:58 * Gambit loves creeping featurism.
20100520 04:18:02< shadowmaster> I don't
20100520 04:18:18< shadowmaster> off ot bed now anyway, have fun
20100520 04:18:23< shadowmaster> TO
20100520 04:18:30< Gambit> Bye.
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20100520 04:35:42< Espreon> Goodbye...
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20100520 05:23:39< Gambit> Aethaeryn: http://www.theonion.com/video/new-google-phone-service-whispers-targeted-ads-dir,17470/
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20100520 07:10:52< AI0867> Espreon: I'm willing to try implementing ngettext for WML, but I need to fully understand the tstring first
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20100520 13:45:02< Espreon> AI0867: Ah, I see.
20100520 13:45:17< Espreon> Thanks.
20100520 13:46:47< Espreon> Now to try to stay away from this place.
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20100520 21:08:34< Gambit> shadowmaster: :)
20100520 21:08:42< Gambit> Come to #wesnothxp
20100520 21:08:47< Gambit> I want to show you something.
20100520 21:10:06< Gambit> Fine :(
20100520 21:10:24 * Gambit impatient :P
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20100520 21:32:38< shadowmaster> let's see if gitorious allows creating private repos like bitbucket does
20100520 21:32:46< shadowmaster> I could mirror umcreg now
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20100520 21:47:09< Aethaeryn> w00t
20100520 21:47:14< Aethaeryn> Done with the semester...
20100520 21:47:19< Aethaeryn> Now time to start my one-week summer before my math class ;)
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