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20100526 00:52:47< noy> okay so we're at Jundi
20100526 00:52:52< thespaceinvader> Jundi?
20100526 00:52:55< noy> which is soldier... Muharib 
20100526 00:52:59< DesertPanther> hello :)
20100526 00:53:01< noy> Thats the old Ahadath
20100526 00:53:05< thespaceinvader> righto
20100526 00:53:11< noy> Jundi means soldier
20100526 00:53:13< DesertPanther> Muharib means warrior
20100526 00:53:28< thespaceinvader> lemme just get out my unit tree so i can update the names
20100526 00:53:32< noy> would that be considered a more experienced soldier?
20100526 00:53:43< noy> muharib?
20100526 00:54:09< DesertPanther> you can say so
20100526 00:54:31< noy> well is it true :p
20100526 00:54:31< DesertPanther> another alternative => Muqatil = Fighter
20100526 00:54:36< noy> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/download/file.php?id=41103&mode=view
20100526 00:54:41< noy> keep that in mind DesertPanther 
20100526 00:54:54< DesertPanther> okay
20100526 00:54:59< noy> Well I need it to sound like he's more experienced
20100526 00:55:25< thespaceinvader> for my reference, was it concluded that the final name of the faction woudl be Khalifate?
20100526 00:55:39< noy> so if you level up from Jundi, to Muharib... does that sound correct?
20100526 00:55:41< noy> thespaceinvader: yes
20100526 00:55:44< DesertPanther> Muqatil seems less experienced the Muharib
20100526 00:56:00< DesertPanther> or sounds like that...
20100526 00:56:34< noy> So... maybe instead of Jundi, we should go Muqatil -> Muharib?
20100526 00:56:38< thespaceinvader> if we were doing things in english, my inclination woudl be to go fighter - soldier - warrior, but Jundi sounds, to my english-speaking ears, to be the least experienced/impressive of the three names
20100526 00:56:59< thespaceinvader> and thanks
20100526 00:57:01< noy> I like Jundi
20100526 00:57:09< thespaceinvader> mmhmm, me too
20100526 00:57:14< DesertPanther> Jundi => Muqatil => Muharib
20100526 00:57:41< noy> In arabic does that sound like they are getting more powerful?
20100526 00:58:01< DesertPanther> yes
20100526 00:58:05< noy> There you go
20100526 00:58:10< thespaceinvader> out of interest, what would ahadath translate to?
20100526 00:58:17< noy> Nothing :p
20100526 00:58:29< DesertPanther> well, nothing indeed
20100526 00:58:36< noy> what does axe mean?
20100526 00:58:44< noy> or translate to?
20100526 00:58:50< DesertPanther> but it really sounds to me that it means newbie or something like this
20100526 00:58:55< DesertPanther> Fa'as
20100526 00:58:58< noy> Ah
20100526 00:59:07< noy> What does Ghazi mean?
20100526 00:59:13< DesertPanther> Conqurer
20100526 00:59:16< noy> Ahh
20100526 00:59:51< noy> See how in the unit three there is a question mark for a second level 2 from the Jundi?
20100526 01:00:00< noy> three/tree*
20100526 01:00:06< noy> Jundi/Ahadath
20100526 01:00:35< DesertPanther> this one? http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/download/file.php?id=41103&sid=ea2f4e888f2d562674e17d292020553b&mode=view
20100526 01:00:46< noy> yes
20100526 01:01:08< noy> we need more unit names
20100526 01:01:20< noy> thespaceinvader: the next group we've named alreadu
20100526 01:01:25< thespaceinvader> yeah?
20100526 01:01:48< DesertPanther> so you will replace Ahadath with Jundi?
20100526 01:01:51< noy> It goes Arif (which means sargent) - Amir (leader) - Khalid
20100526 01:01:54< noy> yes
20100526 01:02:01< DesertPanther> Amir means Prince
20100526 01:02:11< noy> yes
20100526 01:02:14< DesertPanther> I guess Ameer is more correct
20100526 01:02:22< noy> Khalid means champion or hero
20100526 01:02:34< noy> well a specific one, but its a general word too
20100526 01:02:56< thespaceinvader> So Immortal is replaced by Khalid?
20100526 01:03:03< DesertPanther> Khalid means Immortal
20100526 01:03:05< thespaceinvader> Amir looks better, to my eye
20100526 01:03:06< noy> no
20100526 01:03:07< thespaceinvader> ah ok
20100526 01:03:28< DesertPanther> and it is the name of the most brilliant Arab military general
20100526 01:03:35< thespaceinvader> right
20100526 01:03:43< noy> Its Amir/Arif - Mubarizan/Amir - Mubarizanl3/Khalid
20100526 01:03:44< DesertPanther> he conquered almost the whole middle east
20100526 01:04:09< noy> thespaceinvader: its names like that which makes me want to keep these as being arabic words.
20100526 01:04:12< thespaceinvader> ah righto, and the current arif/immortal are getting new names
20100526 01:04:13< thespaceinvader> ok
20100526 01:04:14< noy> rather than bland western ones
20100526 01:04:24< noy> yes...
20100526 01:04:31< DesertPanther> hmmm...
20100526 01:04:43< noy> they go to Mubariz
20100526 01:04:45< noy> then Batal
20100526 01:05:08< noy> Mubariz is gladiator, then Batal is champion 
20100526 01:05:37< thespaceinvader> k
20100526 01:05:45< DesertPanther> or hero
20100526 01:06:26< noy> Okay, so next is the "ghulam"
20100526 01:06:51< noy> That will become the Faris....
20100526 01:07:10< noy> which is knight in Arabic
20100526 01:07:10< thespaceinvader> for myself, by the way, i agree with you that keeping the naems in a foreign language works better - we already do it with some of the other units like myrmidons, tritons, etc, without complaint, and it sounds more interesting
20100526 01:08:02< noy> so do I...
20100526 01:08:10< noy> and I doubt it will ever be in "default"
20100526 01:08:10< DesertPanther> I agree
20100526 01:08:20< thespaceinvader> no?
20100526 01:08:27< thespaceinvader> i thought that was the point...
20100526 01:08:45< noy> and I think DesertPanther that it being in arabic actually makes it accessible for muslims who will identify with the names
20100526 01:08:57< noy> well it will be in a default + khalifate era
20100526 01:09:05< DesertPanther> that's right
20100526 01:09:32< noy> Anyway
20100526 01:09:36< thespaceinvader> ah right
20100526 01:09:37< noy> so we need something to fo after faris
20100526 01:09:40< thespaceinvader> anyway indeed
20100526 01:10:20< thespaceinvader> something to go after knight for the cataphract type unit, and on the other branch, for a heavy horse archer
20100526 01:10:30< thespaceinvader> unless that guy is getting removed
20100526 01:10:53< DesertPanther> do you mean the mounted archer?
20100526 01:10:54< noy> well all the art you've used we'll keep
20100526 01:11:02< noy> no, like a faris lvl2
20100526 01:11:17< thespaceinvader> ok, cool
20100526 01:11:38< thespaceinvader> we need a name to come after the faris, for the unit currently called 'Ghaznid
20100526 01:12:46< DesertPanther> I see...
20100526 01:13:28< noy> We could call the level 3 Ghazi?
20100526 01:13:42< DesertPanther> Conquerer?
20100526 01:13:46< noy> Faris => XXXXX => Ghazi?
20100526 01:14:04< noy> or is Ghazi considered a lesser quality than a Faris?
20100526 01:14:31< DesertPanther> we don't have such name in the army
20100526 01:14:40< DesertPanther> it is just Faris and that's it
20100526 01:15:31< noy> Well we need a name...
20100526 01:15:47< noy> Any idea of a more experienced knight?
20100526 01:15:51< noy> like a name?
20100526 01:16:17< DesertPanther> let me think
20100526 01:16:20< thespaceinvader> maybe we should consider calling the current Ghaznid 'Faris', and finding a lesser name for the current Ghulam?
20100526 01:17:32< DesertPanther> I told you that there is not lesser or greater name in cavalry for Arabs
20100526 01:17:49< thespaceinvader> ok
20100526 01:18:06< noy> hmm
20100526 01:18:07< thespaceinvader> what about direct translations - is there a different word for 'rider' for instance?
20100526 01:18:10< DesertPanther> okay one idea
20100526 01:18:22< DesertPanther> Khaiyal
20100526 01:18:29< noy> Whats that?
20100526 01:18:32< noy> Rider?
20100526 01:18:35< DesertPanther> is what we call it on who rides horse
20100526 01:18:38< DesertPanther> yeah
20100526 01:18:45< noy> Khaiyal - Faris - Ghazi?
20100526 01:19:19< DesertPanther> yeah that's okay though I think that Ghazi is pointless
20100526 01:19:44< noy> well come up with something better :p
20100526 01:20:17< noy> we need something for someone who is a champion rider or someting
20100526 01:20:31< thespaceinvader> out of interest, what would be the direct translation for the current english name, Life Guard
20100526 01:20:33< noy> what is the name of someone who is in the entourage of an amir?
20100526 01:20:35< thespaceinvader> ?
20100526 01:20:50< noy> like a personal bodyguard of an amir... a trusted one?
20100526 01:21:07< DesertPanther> Murafiq
20100526 01:21:30< DesertPanther> so life guard is a body guard?
20100526 01:21:36< noy> no, I just asked that
20100526 01:21:48< noy> because that might be a good description of what he is
20100526 01:23:04< DesertPanther> in that case the Amir also should be mounted
20100526 01:23:11< DesertPanther> just my opinion
20100526 01:23:12< noy> hmm
20100526 01:23:44< noy> how about then Arif - ghazi - khalid ?
20100526 01:24:18< DesertPanther> I guess that it not so bad
20100526 01:24:25< DesertPanther> it is***
20100526 01:24:28< noy> I'd actually like not to use Amir
20100526 01:24:32< thespaceinvader> then what though - amir doesn't fit that well into the horse line, does it?
20100526 01:24:35< noy> because that might be something for a special unit
20100526 01:24:35< thespaceinvader> ah right
20100526 01:24:40<+CIA-34> wesnoth-umc-dev: AI0867 * r7187 /trunk/Era_of_Strife/ (53 files in 18 dirs): Merge 1.8 changes up to 7186
20100526 01:24:47< noy> like a leader or whatever
20100526 01:25:07< noy> so then its Khaiyal - Faris - Murafiq?
20100526 01:26:05< DesertPanther> traditionaly, an amir was in command of about 10k soldiers
20100526 01:26:12< noy> exactly...
20100526 01:26:23< noy> so I'd rather him not to be a unit you often get...
20100526 01:26:39< Espreon> AI0867: Why can't we just work off of the trunk version and port changes to the 1.8 version?
20100526 01:27:26< DesertPanther> I agree with you
20100526 01:27:27< noy> What is a slave? Ghulam?
20100526 01:27:39< DesertPanther> it was much more than a slave
20100526 01:27:49< DesertPanther> servant, let's say
20100526 01:28:10< noy> hmmm
20100526 01:29:38< noy> What about Ghulam, Faris, Murafiq?
20100526 01:30:14< DesertPanther> mounted servants...
20100526 01:30:23< DesertPanther> what's wrong with Khaiyal?
20100526 01:30:25< noy> ignore that then
20100526 01:30:26< noy> nothing
20100526 01:30:30< thespaceinvader> Khaiyal would seem more appropriate anyway
20100526 01:30:44< noy> just going through this all for different fits
20100526 01:30:47< thespaceinvader> what about the level 1 horse archer unit?
20100526 01:30:50< noy> Rami
20100526 01:30:53< noy> just archer
20100526 01:30:54< thespaceinvader> currently karadis
20100526 01:30:56< thespaceinvader> ok
20100526 01:31:04< DesertPanther> yes
20100526 01:31:09< DesertPanther> Rami means archer
20100526 01:31:15< noy> what does saqr mean?
20100526 01:31:43< DesertPanther> Falcon
20100526 01:31:47< noy> ahh
20100526 01:31:49< thespaceinvader> then we have the light horse archer/scout, and the heavy horse archer, which level from it
20100526 01:32:15<+CIA-34> wesnoth-umc-dev: AI0867 * r7188 /trunk/Era_of_Strife/eras/default+extended+eom+eos.cfg: Adapt to 1.9 policy of failed includes being fatal by adding #ifhave guards in composite era
20100526 01:32:16< thespaceinvader> saqr we can use, but i wonder for that one whether we are better using the english names - the units would probably go into core one way or the other
20100526 01:32:34< thespaceinvader> (the falcon, I mean)
20100526 01:33:16< noy> Sure..
20100526 01:33:16<+CIA-34> wesnoth-umc-dev: AI0867 * r7189 /trunk/Era_of_Strife/macros/amla.cfg: If you're going to remove a macro argument, actually remove all traces of it please
20100526 01:33:26< AI0867> Espreon: ^
20100526 01:34:07< Espreon> AI0867: Sorry about that.
20100526 01:34:36< noy> DesertPanther: we need more archer names :p
20100526 01:34:42< noy> Whats a mamluk?
20100526 01:35:04< thespaceinvader> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamluk ;)
20100526 01:35:28< DesertPanther> Mamluk means a person who a was a slave, but gradually became trusted by his master to handle his battles
20100526 01:36:15< noy> hm
20100526 01:36:17< thespaceinvader> maybe appropriate for the current karadis, then we can use rami for the current mamluk
20100526 01:36:26< thespaceinvader> and we;re short a name for the current ghulam al rami
20100526 01:36:55< noy> Most horse archers came from one or two places: Anatolia in Turkey or what is in Afghanistan. 
20100526 01:37:19< noy> We're short two names.... we need a level three as well
20100526 01:38:06<+CIA-34> wesnoth-umc-dev: AI0867 * r7190 /branches/1.8/Era_of_Strife/ (24 files in 11 dirs): Backport r7189 from trunk: remove all traces of AMOUNT argument in AMLA_FIREPOWER_{1,5}
20100526 01:38:08< thespaceinvader> for which line? the current mamluk, or the other?
20100526 01:38:17< noy> the mamluk
20100526 01:38:21< thespaceinvader> righto
20100526 01:39:02< noy> I got an idea... 
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20100526 01:39:21< noy> What is the word for faithful?
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20100526 01:41:36< noy> Whats the word for faithful DesertPanther ?
20100526 01:41:38< DesertPanther> sorry
20100526 01:41:56< DesertPanther> Mo'men
20100526 01:43:28< noy> is that faithful to allah or to a amir?
20100526 01:44:07< DesertPanther> generally it means "believer in Islam or God"
20100526 01:45:46< noy> hmm
20100526 01:45:48< thespaceinvader> incidentally, is there any mileage in any of the titles in the list from here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamluk#Mamluk_office_titles_and_terminology?
20100526 01:45:48< noy> this one is tough
20100526 01:46:31< DesertPanther> let me have a look
20100526 01:47:26< noy> hmmm
20100526 01:47:28< thespaceinvader> doesn't look like it to me, except maybe for Qussad, which might fit for a scout type unit
20100526 01:47:37< thespaceinvader> especially at high level
20100526 01:47:44< DesertPanther> most of the names are Turkish
20100526 01:47:55< DesertPanther> or probably Persian
20100526 01:48:37< DesertPanther> no wonder, Mamluks came with the Ottomans
20100526 01:48:55< noy> was karadis a word?
20100526 01:49:35< noy> Well horse archers were from frontier regions, where using horses were more common in day to day use. 
20100526 01:50:02< DesertPanther> archer horses were used extensivly by Saladin
20100526 01:50:11< thespaceinvader> i'm goign to have to go to bed very soon - noy, could you let me know how things turn out?
20100526 01:50:33< noy> yeah but who rode them were from frontiers, not people from inside the Caliphate
20100526 01:50:36< DesertPanther> Karadis, never heard about this word
20100526 01:50:37< noy> sure 
20100526 01:50:40< thespaceinvader> a listing of the names in the current tree and what they are being replaced with would be fantastic
20100526 01:50:42< noy> np
20100526 01:50:48< noy> I got a few more
20100526 01:50:50< DesertPanther> but it is simialr to Kardoos, which means a platoon
20100526 01:51:02< DesertPanther> they were Arabians
20100526 01:51:04< noy> the Ekim / Hakim => Tabib
20100526 01:51:10< DesertPanther> yeah
20100526 01:51:23< thespaceinvader> Ekim > Tabib
20100526 01:51:25< thespaceinvader> ok
20100526 01:51:28< thespaceinvader> and Ekim haram?
20100526 01:51:32< noy> Tabib
20100526 01:51:42< noy> its HAkim => Tabib
20100526 01:51:49< thespaceinvader> Ah ok
20100526 01:51:56< DesertPanther> haram? lol
20100526 01:52:06< noy> I didn't make that name
20100526 01:52:42< DesertPanther> Hakim => Tabib sounds very logical
20100526 01:52:49< noy> you made it
20100526 01:52:49< thespaceinvader> cool, got that one
20100526 01:53:10< DesertPanther> I remember that
20100526 01:53:11< noy> And the scout archer is Jawal
20100526 01:53:28< DesertPanther> Jawal means ranger
20100526 01:53:38< DesertPanther> well, doesn't matter
20100526 01:53:42< noy> What would be a more effective ranger :p
20100526 01:53:52< noy> Because we need a level III Jawal
20100526 01:53:58< thespaceinvader> ...scout archer? the current mamluk?
20100526 01:54:02< DesertPanther> super ranger =D
20100526 01:54:03< thespaceinvader> ok
20100526 01:54:13< noy> Ghulam Al Rami
20100526 01:54:46< noy> that will become Jawal
20100526 01:54:47< thespaceinvader> oh right - i thought he was the heavy horse archer - i'd intended the current mamluk to be the lighter, faster unit
20100526 01:55:01< noy> then that should be the Jawal
20100526 01:55:11< noy> We need a heavy horse archer
20100526 01:55:22< noy> Is there a heavier type bow and arrow?
20100526 01:55:29< noy> heavier than Rami?
20100526 01:56:15< DesertPanther> all archers are being called Romat
20100526 01:56:21< DesertPanther> or Rami for singular
20100526 01:57:41< noy> Would it be okay to go Ghulam = Rami = ????
20100526 01:57:49< thespaceinvader> What about using Ghulam or Mamluk for the currnet karadis, then rami for the current ghulam al rami, and jawal for the current mamluk
20100526 01:57:51< thespaceinvader> yeah
20100526 01:59:54< DesertPanther> sorry I got to go now
20100526 02:00:06< DesertPanther> maybe we can finish this later
20100526 02:00:06< noy> no worries
20100526 02:00:11< noy> we will work on it more later
20100526 02:00:24< noy> thats fine... I look forward to it. 
20100526 02:00:27< DesertPanther> okay
20100526 02:00:30< DesertPanther> goodbye :)
20100526 02:00:47< thespaceinvader> right, me too
20100526 02:00:53< noy> night
20100526 02:00:53< thespaceinvader> i have all that down, thanks
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20100526 02:57:18< AI0867> "I'm going to have to recalibrate my WTFmeter, set it to a log scale or something."
20100526 04:33:42< AI0867> interesting stuff: http://lifeartificial.com/
20100526 04:47:22< Gambit> shadowmaster: Are you going to be AFK all day?
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20100526 09:40:06< zookeeper> ok, so...based on what i gather from the irc logs, the kalifa unit names are _not_ going to be in english after all?
20100526 09:41:57< noy> no
20100526 09:42:04< noy> they never were
20100526 09:43:52< zookeeper> okay
20100526 09:45:21< noy> was there something said otherwise?
20100526 09:46:34< zookeeper> good question, i'll try and check
20100526 09:46:51< noy> Well I don't believe I ever said otherwise
20100526 09:49:16< noy> zookeeper: to be honest, I don't see much of a point to go over this
20100526 09:52:14< zookeeper> ok, it seems your response to the idea of using english was "maybe, maybe not" ;)
20100526 09:52:43< noy> how long ago was that?
20100526 09:53:05< zookeeper> 4-5 months ago
20100526 09:54:04< noy> I think you might have misconstrued what I said then
20100526 09:54:58< noy> Because I've been fairly set on this
20100526 09:55:35< zookeeper> well you said "maybe, maybe not". i don't know how that can be misconstrued.
20100526 09:56:12< noy> Yeah probably because there was a whole discussion about the appropriateness of the faction
20100526 09:56:18< noy> which was soon resolved
20100526 09:56:42< zookeeper> anyway i just want to make it clear that i really dislike the use of non-english words, so that no one ever gets to say that i should have said something sooner
20100526 09:57:04< zookeeper> because that's exactly what'd happen if i'd bring it up only when it's about to get mainlined or something
20100526 09:57:51< noy> yeah, well the criticism was already raised and to be honest I'll push it through. 
20100526 09:58:36< noy> because I think its a positive benefit, specially when we've mined the well of english names so deeply. 
20100526 09:58:42< zookeeper> okay
20100526 09:59:22< noy> Moreover its not going to be a total default faction, just in its own era.
20100526 09:59:31< noy> default + khalifate
20100526 09:59:51< noy> So if you don't like it, default will exist on its own. 
20100526 10:00:27< zookeeper> sure
20100526 10:01:09< noy> honestly zookeeper I think after playing a few times you'll get used to it
20100526 10:01:29< noy> Its not like we can just keep using the same names for units in different factions
20100526 10:01:58< noy> Elvish fighter, Dwarvish fighter, Human Fighter, Drake Fighter... I don't want to have a Khalifate fighter
20100526 10:02:09< noy> There isn't a human fighter... its a spearman
20100526 10:02:11< noy> I know
20100526 10:02:32< noy> but still, if every faction were the same it would be boring. 
20100526 10:03:11< noy> using their proper islamic names from the period gives it a bit of appeal and character. 
20100526 10:03:30< zookeeper> that's entirely subjective though. for me it rather does the opposite
20100526 10:04:30< noy> yeah, honestly, having more of the same english names just makes it worse and some people agree. 
20100526 10:04:47< noy> And by the way, thats your subjective view too
20100526 10:05:03< zookeeper> well obviously
20100526 10:05:11< noy> however I've heard from other people's subjective views
20100526 10:05:37< noy> and when you start getting people's subjective views together, they become slightly less subjective 
20100526 10:06:40< zookeeper> how does that happen?
20100526 10:07:18< noy> At its ultimate end, statistical analysis. 
20100526 10:07:41< noy> however generalizations can occur based on group behavior. 
20100526 10:09:00< zookeeper> right
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20100526 18:28:46< shadowmaster> 00:05:17 -!- ERROR Closing Link: omegamatic/operator/wesnoth.umc-dev.admin.shadowmaster (K-Lined)
20100526 18:28:50< shadowmaster> WHY?!
20100526 18:29:07< shadowmaster> I'm not K-lined, you fucking node
20100526 18:29:15< shadowmaster> otherwise I'd not be on the other side
20100526 18:29:31< shadowmaster> unless a K-line wasn't propagated correctly. hm
20100526 18:30:03< shadowmaster> 00:05:17 -!- You are banned from this server- Temporary K-line 1440 min. - Joining ##kline (2010/5/25 00.05)
20100526 18:30:06< shadowmaster> aha
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20100526 18:34:50< shadowmaster> noy: you needed me for something?
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20100526 18:35:06< noy> yeah, but I think I solved it...
20100526 18:36:27< Aeth[Phone]> My internet is worse than I thought... could be out all month.
20100526 18:36:44< Elvish_Pillager> gosh
20100526 18:37:09< Gambit> Aeth[Phone]: You'll finish your backup todo list!
20100526 18:37:17< Aeth[Phone]> I will probably have time at school to use Internet next week when my class starts. No MP though.
20100526 18:38:38< Aeth[Phone]> I might just settle for merging my RPG with
20100526 18:39:26< Aeth[Phone]> my mappack and just publising my era without additional tests
20100526 18:39:45< Aeth[Phone]> probbly easiest solution
20100526 18:40:31< Elvish_Pillager> I am optimistic that my Wesnoth binge will soon end
20100526 18:40:38< Aeth[Phone]> and then just doing Thunderstone sprites and other SP stuff through the month
20100526 18:40:48< Elvish_Pillager> Does anyone have an cool WML idea they'd like me to code before that?
20100526 18:43:00< Gambit> Elvish_Pillager: Wesnoth Life Simulator
20100526 18:43:16< Aeth[Phone]> Anyway... If anyone on the server asks... No MP and only school wifi and phone 3G... probably adding last big touchups cued up then doing Thunderstone rest of month
20100526 18:43:45< Elvish_Pillager> Gambit: funny, just a minute ago I was thinking "Wesnoth: the dating sim" as an example of something I wouldn't do :P
20100526 18:43:59< Elvish_Pillager> not quite the same thing, but
20100526 18:44:00< Gambit> No not that kind of life simulator.
20100526 18:44:05< Elvish_Pillager> anyway, a life simulator would, um
20100526 18:44:17< Elvish_Pillager> be functionally equivalent to a non-functional resource hog
20100526 18:44:18< Gambit> I was thinking on the cellular level.
20100526 18:44:19< Aeth[Phone]> Hopefully i will have something in Tuesday if not sooner... my class starts Tues
20100526 18:44:50< Aeth[Phone]> Gambit, cells reproduce too
20100526 18:44:56< Gambit> Aeth[Phone]: Exactly.
20100526 18:45:09< Gambit> You can have a DNA system.
20100526 18:45:15< Elvish_Pillager> ooooh boy
20100526 18:45:18< Gambit> Which manipulates their behavior.
20100526 18:45:28< Elvish_Pillager> that reminds me of a really stupid game I played once
20100526 18:45:58< Aeth[Phone]> Anyway, i want to work through my textbook ahead of time..
20100526 18:46:25< Aeth[Phone]> And I will ti
20100526 18:47:15< Aeth[Phone]> try to release updates and my building era next week so i can focus on Thunderstone sprites
20100526 18:48:18< Aeth[Phone]> Also, this is like threading a needle... especially since my thumbs press enter instead of backspace
20100526 18:48:57< Gambit> Elvish_Pillager: How about Wesnothagachi?
20100526 18:49:01< Aeth[Phone]> so enough pain for now.... see you next week and maybe my home internet will be back sooner than next month
20100526 18:49:17< Gambit> Aeth[Phone]: Bye.
20100526 18:50:14< Aeth[Phone]> Also, fuck Comcast.
20100526 18:50:17< Aeth[Phone]> Comcast, Verizon, and all the mobile companies are the reason why Americans pay more for less relative to the rest of the world.
20100526 18:50:30< Gambit> Indeed.
20100526 18:50:37< Gambit> I hope Google Internet does something about that.
20100526 18:50:49< Elvish_Pillager> Gambit: you know, that idea rides the line
20100526 18:50:55< Gambit> Aeth[Phone]: The problem is that they're allowed to have a monopoly.
20100526 18:50:56< Elvish_Pillager> I mean... it almost makes sense
20100526 18:51:03< Aeth[Phone]> Greedy bastards, every oneo
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20100526 18:51:24< Elvish_Pillager> keep suggesting things ;)
20100526 18:51:47< Gambit> You can't even bring an antitrust suit against them because *technically* you could get into the buisness if you built your own network.
20100526 18:51:52< Gambit> They're not obligated to share.
20100526 18:52:29< Gambit> Elvish_Pillager: A space simulator!
20100526 18:52:32< Gambit> No wait... that's mine.
20100526 18:52:53< Elvish_Pillager> Like a flight simulator, but in space? 'fraid that's inherently not Wesnoth-like
20100526 18:52:55< Elvish_Pillager> hmm
20100526 18:53:09< Elvish_Pillager> a vertical map? why isn't there "sky" terrain in Wesnoth?
20100526 18:54:05< Gambit> Elvish_Pillager: Not quite.
20100526 18:54:16< Gambit> I'm talking like the old exploration flight sims
20100526 18:54:22< Elvish_Pillager> I don't know those
20100526 18:54:28< Gambit> where teh focus was mostly on exploring, trading, upgrading, and quests.
20100526 18:54:31< Gambit> *the
20100526 18:54:39< Gambit> I've already got a solar system generator in WML.
20100526 18:54:53< Gambit> solar system, and galaxy.
20100526 18:55:00< Gambit> I'm rewriting it because it's a mess.
20100526 18:55:05< Gambit> Next it needs a planet generator.
20100526 18:55:12< Gambit> And then the actual gameplay.
20100526 18:55:38< Elvish_Pillager> I could write a Wesnoth scenario like the old game Galatic Empire
20100526 18:55:50< Elvish_Pillager> but it would suck because if you actually fought the battles, you'd get a huge advantage
20100526 18:55:55< Gambit> You mean Bob_The_Mighty's Galactic empire?
20100526 18:56:00< Elvish_Pillager> No.
20100526 18:56:26< Elvish_Pillager> It was an old Mac game, IIRC - you started in a galaxy with around 20 planets in it, you controlled one, the rest were independent
20100526 18:56:37< Elvish_Pillager> and you had to conquer them all within a certain period of time
20100526 18:57:35< Elvish_Pillager> The most tricky thing about the game was that you needed sufficient ships to beat the planets, but the more ships were in your fleet, the more fuel and food you needed to get from planet to planet (and the food/fuel costs got HUGE if you tried to go halfway across the galaxy with a large fleet)
20100526 18:59:29< Elvish_Pillager> the positions of the planets were random, which made the difficulty fluctuate a lot (e.g. it was really hard if there weren't any other planets near Galactica, your starting planet)
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20100526 19:11:17< Gambit> Elvish_Pillager: In mine everything will be random except the first two systems.
20100526 19:11:28< Gambit> And the first two give you everything you'll need to get around.
20100526 19:12:01< Elvish_Pillager> Space.
20100526 19:12:13< Elvish_Pillager> I was thinking of doing something sort of like THS or Saving Elensefar
20100526 19:12:16< Gambit> It also doesn't have to be a fighting thing.
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20100526 20:01:05< noy> you know Gambit, I wonder why even try to mod wesnoth to do this... it seems as if it makes more sense just to start from scratch. 
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20100526 20:35:58< DesertPanther> hello :)
20100526 20:36:09< noy> so
20100526 20:36:43< noy> We need some more names
20100526 20:37:15< DesertPanther> okay
20100526 20:37:24< noy> my internet is a bit touchy, so I may disconnect for like a few minutes
20100526 20:37:27< noy> sometimes
20100526 20:37:59< DesertPanther> no problem
20100526 20:38:08< noy> Lets look at the naffat line today
20100526 20:38:18< noy> what does naffat mean?
20100526 20:38:34< DesertPanther> well
20100526 20:38:38< DesertPanther> Nafit means oil
20100526 20:38:41< DesertPanther> Naffat
20100526 20:38:45< DesertPanther> who throws oil
20100526 20:39:38< noy> is there a word for fire thrower?
20100526 20:39:43< noy> or fire breather?
20100526 20:40:19< DesertPanther> that was their job
20100526 20:40:23< DesertPanther> burning stuff
20100526 20:41:58< noy> well I was looking for a different word for lvl2s and 3s
20100526 20:42:01< DesertPanther> sorry for my ignorance but what UMC stands for?
20100526 20:42:09< noy> User made content
20100526 20:42:16< DesertPanther> oh okay
20100526 20:42:20< DesertPanther> hmm...
20100526 20:43:02< noy> like a word that sounds a bit more impressive for someone who uses flamethrowers
20100526 20:43:08< DesertPanther> maybe just Naffat II, III
20100526 20:43:16< noy> can't do that
20100526 20:43:20< DesertPanther> okay
20100526 20:43:33< DesertPanther> Qathif al-Lahab means flamethrower
20100526 20:43:45< noy> What does Qathif mean?
20100526 20:44:02< DesertPanther> thrower
20100526 20:44:09< noy> Lahab?
20100526 20:44:16< DesertPanther> flame
20100526 20:44:43< noy> firebreather?
20100526 20:45:06< DesertPanther> what is a firebreather?
20100526 20:45:12< noy> someone who breaths fire
20100526 20:45:14< noy> like dragons
20100526 20:45:25< noy> whats the islamic name for a dragon?
20100526 20:45:54< DesertPanther> the Arabic name for dragon is Tineen
20100526 20:46:04< noy> could a person be called a dragon?
20100526 20:46:13< DesertPanther> I thought about it, it sounds cool :D
20100526 20:46:54< noy> soo, how about  Naffat -> Qathif al-Lahab -> Tineen
20100526 20:47:21< DesertPanther> yeah awesome
20100526 20:47:33< DesertPanther> though Qathif al-Lahab is a bit long
20100526 20:49:58< noy> yeah... well then we need something else
20100526 20:52:25< DesertPanther> maybe just Qathif?
20100526 20:52:50< noy> that is just "thrower"
20100526 20:53:13< noy> what is the word for arsonist?
20100526 20:54:22< DesertPanther> usually we call it Mukharib
20100526 20:54:30< DesertPanther> which means Saboteur
20100526 20:54:37< noy> eh... not the best word
20100526 20:55:42< DesertPanther> :/
20100526 20:57:55< noy> I like tineen... its a great idea
20100526 20:58:32< noy> We need something thats between Tineen and Naffat
20100526 20:58:50< DesertPanther> wait let me search
20100526 21:00:28< noy> what is the name for a scortching sun. 
20100526 21:00:36< noy> or a really really hot day?
20100526 21:04:31< DesertPanther> no that would be irrelevant
20100526 21:04:48< noy> I guess...
20100526 21:06:31< DesertPanther> Qathif al-Nar
20100526 21:06:39< noy> whats nar?
20100526 21:06:44< DesertPanther> fire
20100526 21:06:51< noy> thats fine by me
20100526 21:07:41< DesertPanther> yeah
20100526 21:11:46< noy> what is the word for trample?
20100526 21:11:58< noy> maybe a trampling person or horse
20100526 21:12:52< DesertPanther> what do you mean?
20100526 21:12:54< DesertPanther> didn't get it
20100526 21:13:09< noy> like Trample... when something tramples over you 
20100526 21:13:18< noy> a horse rides over you, you get trampled
20100526 21:13:26< DesertPanther> I see
20100526 21:14:08< noy> And the word for a sharpshooter
20100526 21:14:28< DesertPanther> well, Qanas means sniper
20100526 21:16:00< noy> is there a word for a great sniper... or someone who never misses?
20100526 21:16:08< noy> in English dead-eye is the word
20100526 21:17:12< DesertPanther> I am sure there is, let me remember
20100526 21:18:11< DesertPanther> Hadaf
20100526 21:19:05< noy> is there a word for someone who is very observant... like he sees everything?
20100526 21:20:51< DesertPanther> :/
20100526 21:21:01< DesertPanther> Thaqib al-Basar
20100526 21:21:04< noy> heh
20100526 21:21:24< DesertPanther> means a one who has a very great vision
20100526 21:21:50< noy> what is all knowing?
20100526 21:22:02< noy> like knows everything...
20100526 21:22:13< noy> Thaquib al Basar is too long
20100526 21:22:45 * zookeeper wonders if the arabic translation will have the names in english
20100526 21:22:51< DesertPanther> I agree...
20100526 21:22:55< DesertPanther> let me see
20100526 21:23:01< DesertPanther> 'Aleem
20100526 21:23:10< DesertPanther> but this is a reference to God
20100526 21:23:13< noy> yeah
20100526 21:23:38< DesertPanther> in Islam, nobody knows everything except the God
20100526 21:24:28< noy> see I'd like something other than scholar....
20100526 21:25:07< noy> do we even have an arabic translation? 
20100526 21:25:10< noy> zookeeper: ?
20100526 21:25:26< DesertPanther> you mean Arabic translation for Wesnoth in general?
20100526 21:25:32< noy> yeah
20100526 21:26:14< zookeeper> noy, sure we do. it's about 2% complete though, it seems :P
20100526 21:26:26< noy> yeah well. 
20100526 21:26:38< noy> DesertPanther: what does jawal mean?
20100526 21:26:55< DesertPanther> Ranger
20100526 21:27:05< DesertPanther> zookeeper, I am planning to work on translation this summer
20100526 21:27:23< noy> whats the word for an impaler?
20100526 21:28:59< DesertPanther> Ta'an, but it is weak translation a bit
20100526 21:29:07< noy> what does it mean?
20100526 21:29:40< DesertPanther> who stabs
20100526 21:30:16< noy> Ghazi is to conquer... what is it to destroy?
20100526 21:30:34< DesertPanther> Destroyer you mean?
20100526 21:30:39< noy> yeah
20100526 21:30:43< DesertPanther> Mudamir
20100526 21:30:54< noy> heh... another Mu- 
20100526 21:31:17< DesertPanther> yep
20100526 21:31:32< noy> how about a flanker?
20100526 21:32:03< noy> someone who encircles or attacks from another angle?
20100526 21:32:39< DesertPanther> :/
20100526 21:33:22< noy> really we only need one more
20100526 21:33:29< noy> or someone who is swift
20100526 21:33:46< DesertPanther> Mudafi', but it means defender
20100526 21:34:00< noy> Although I I'd like two more...
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20100526 21:41:44< DesertPanther> noy, wb
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20100526 23:51:08< Espreon> I wonder if I could get Metisse to work...
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