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20100529 01:43:53< Aethaeryn> I just solved the problem we were talkinga bout before
20100529 01:44:12< Aethaeryn> about how no add-ons in iPhone Wesnoth might be a technical limitation
20100529 01:44:24< Aethaeryn> Well, if the add-on server doesn't work...
20100529 01:44:47< Aethaeryn> I can upload "Add-on" packs on the marketplace since the Android marketplace seems to be full of things that basically are just datafiles for another app
20100529 01:45:06< Elvish_Pillager> Ugh. Stupid Wesnoth and its equivalence between an key being set to an empty string and the key being absent.
20100529 01:45:09< Aethaeryn> so for instance "Wesnoth Campaignpack 1" could have IftU, AtS, and related.
20100529 01:45:44< Aethaeryn> probably not the whole server, only the most popular, grouped by relatedness
20100529 01:46:17< Elvish_Pillager> I want to have a conditional that checks if a variable exists (i.e. if its value is anything other than "".) Is there a way to do this?
20100529 01:48:41< Espreon> Bitching to get things implemented occurs in #wesnoth-dev.
20100529 01:48:47< Espreon> ... or in queries.
20100529 01:49:32< Elvish_Pillager> I wasn't intending to get anything implemented.
20100529 01:49:39< Elvish_Pillager> Just wondering if there's a WML hack that does this.
20100529 01:49:54< shadowmaster> is it a scalar?
20100529 01:50:00< Elvish_Pillager> nope, a string
20100529 01:50:06< shadowmaster> a scalar
20100529 01:50:24< shadowmaster> FYI in Perl and WML, strings also fall under the "scalar" classification
20100529 01:50:31< Elvish_Pillager> huh.
20100529 01:50:45< shadowmaster> you could query the string length and check that it isn't zero
20100529 01:51:10< Elvish_Pillager> hmm, how would I get the string length?
20100529 01:51:15< shadowmaster> or do it the autoconf way - check whether "x$variable" equals "x"
20100529 01:51:29< Elvish_Pillager> Hmm
20100529 01:51:42< shadowmaster> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/InternalActionsWML#.5Bset_variable.5D
20100529 01:51:50< Elvish_Pillager> Can't do that
20100529 01:51:53< Elvish_Pillager> I only have a conditional
20100529 01:52:01< Aethaeryn> afk
20100529 01:52:29< shadowmaster> [set_variable] name=probe string_length="string" [/set_variable]  [if] [variable] name=probe numerical_equals= 0 [/variable] [then] ...
20100529 01:52:46< Elvish_Pillager> and, WML being what it is, I can't compare x with x in the conditional unless they're already stored in variables
20100529 01:52:57< Elvish_Pillager> I guess I could store "x" in a variable beforehand...
20100529 01:53:51< Elvish_Pillager> Oh! I could probably check whether it equals $variable_known_to_be_empty
20100529 01:53:55< shadowmaster> [set_variable] name=xprobe value="x$variable" [/set_variable] [if] [variable] name=xprobe equals="x" [/variable] [then]
20100529 01:53:57< Elvish_Pillager> that would be relatively simple
20100529 01:54:12< shadowmaster> $null?
20100529 01:54:37< Elvish_Pillager> well, really I can use any variable that I can expect no one to assign a value to :p
20100529 01:55:01< shadowmaster> Elvish_Pillager: cf #wesnoth-dev
20100529 01:55:08< shadowmaster> $null, $empty
20100529 01:55:34< Elvish_Pillager> Wouldn't you be able to store values in those? They're special somehow?
20100529 01:55:53< shadowmaster> you can.
20100529 01:55:55< shadowmaster> you shouldn't.
20100529 01:55:59< Elvish_Pillager> heh
20100529 01:56:18< shadowmaster> like, people wouldn't #undef NULL, #define NULL "lala"  in their C or C++ sources
20100529 01:56:24< shadowmaster> they can. they shouldn't.
20100529 01:56:53< shadowmaster> they wouldn't. (unless they were like Gambit I guess)
20100529 01:57:13 * Elvish_Pillager prefers long, explanatory variable names
20100529 01:57:14< shadowmaster> (Gambit: the SI measure unit for curiosity)
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20100529 02:22:33< Elvish_Pillager> argh, how did these dollar signs end up in the middle of my variable names?
20100529 02:23:00< Elvish_Pillager> Dollars don't grow on trees, you know!
20100529 02:35:12 * Elvish_Pillager creates a dozen nested pirate ships
20100529 02:40:10< Aethaeryn> Espreon: is it working yet?
20100529 02:40:23< Aethaeryn> sorry
20100529 02:40:25< Aethaeryn> Elvish_Pillager: 
20100529 02:40:33< Aethaeryn> normally E<tab> gives the last E to have spoken.
20100529 02:40:35< Aethaeryn> Or so I assumed.
20100529 02:40:39< Elvish_Pillager> I don't know what level of working you mean by "working"
20100529 02:40:50< Aethaeryn> also, I do $ in middle of my variables all the time :P
20100529 02:40:54< Elvish_Pillager> Huh, I'd expect it to be either that or alphabetical order, at least.
20100529 02:40:56< Aethaeryn> variable$side_number
20100529 02:41:02< Aethaeryn> saves effort
20100529 02:41:04< Aethaeryn> I write 1 not 9
20100529 02:41:35< Elvish_Pillager> That's technically not a dollar sign in a variable name.
20100529 02:41:58< Elvish_Pillager> e.g. if side_number is 9, then the variable name is "variable9", not "variable$side_number"
20100529 02:42:11< Aethaeryn> bah
20100529 02:42:18< Elvish_Pillager> In fact, you CAN make a variable with a dollar sign in its name, it's just that that's a really stupid idea ^_^
20100529 02:42:27< Aethaeryn> Elvish_Pillager: you know what you need to do?
20100529 02:42:42< Elvish_Pillager> in what sense are you saying that?
20100529 02:42:44< Aethaeryn> make ships you can board that contain their own worlds.
20100529 02:42:50< Elvish_Pillager> heh!
20100529 02:42:51< Elvish_Pillager> Like
20100529 02:42:53< Elvish_Pillager> Wizard ships
20100529 02:42:54< Aethaeryn> so you board a ship, and suddenly it's a miniature world, with water and its own ships
20100529 02:43:02< Aethaeryn> so then you board that ship
20100529 02:43:05< Elvish_Pillager> World-ships
20100529 02:43:09< Aethaeryn> So yeah
20100529 02:43:11< Elvish_Pillager> And then
20100529 02:43:16< Aethaeryn> a few recursions in you encounter the original ship
20100529 02:43:20< Elvish_Pillager> You have the ships be inside themselves
20100529 02:43:21< Elvish_Pillager> yeah
20100529 02:43:21< Aethaeryn> so it's a loop of worlds 
20100529 02:43:30< Elvish_Pillager> Or you could just have a ship directly inside itself
20100529 02:43:39< Aethaeryn> but you have to pick the right ship
20100529 02:43:46< Aethaeryn> the rest are just plain old wooden ones
20100529 02:43:56< Aethaeryn> trick: pick the one that respawns instead of dying
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20100529 02:44:04< Elvish_Pillager> and then kill it
20100529 02:44:20< Aethaeryn> hmm
20100529 02:44:32< Aethaeryn> if you kill a ship that contains the gameworld, including itself...
20100529 02:44:37< Aethaeryn> what happens to the world?
20100529 02:44:45< Elvish_Pillager> Depends on what events you set
20100529 02:44:59< Aethaeryn> the world sinks into itself.
20100529 02:45:07< Elvish_Pillager> I mean, the way it currently works relies on the terrain masks for the ship types
20100529 02:45:24< Elvish_Pillager> I guess it would currently make everyone in the world die by "drowning"
20100529 02:45:34< Elvish_Pillager> (after they fail to get out over a few turns)
20100529 02:45:43< Elvish_Pillager> (obviously they can't get out because getting out puts them in the world again)
20100529 02:45:52< Elvish_Pillager> (and it might be buggy because the ship itself would drown with itself)
20100529 02:46:32< Elvish_Pillager> Lemme test man of wars
20100529 02:46:50< Elvish_Pillager> pirate ships work now, they're much more threatening than Bob's pirate ships >:)
20100529 02:47:44< Aethaeryn> http://www.omjapan.se/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/divide_by_zero1.jpg
20100529 02:48:21< Elvish_Pillager> huh?
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20100529 03:07:30< Elvish_Pillager> ooh, I have an error on line 666 of one of my files
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20100529 04:19:31< Elvish_Pillager> Aethaeryn: Do you want me to code for invadeable places other than ships?
20100529 04:23:08< MikeJB> well, I did kind of intend to have raid spots like in THS... but if you remove the whole trading thing...
20100529 04:23:14< MikeJB> Then perhaps just have them be teleport spots
20100529 04:23:20< MikeJB> instead of coding a separate outpost.
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20100529 04:23:51< MikeJB> :o
20100529 04:23:55< MikeJB> Elvish_Pillager: so will you finish today?
20100529 04:24:07< Elvish_Pillager> You're Aethaeryn?
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20100529 04:24:22< Aethaeryn> yes
20100529 04:24:25< Elvish_Pillager> hmm
20100529 04:24:33 * Elvish_Pillager can't quite remember what things are left to be done
20100529 04:24:40< Elvish_Pillager> Oh yeah, the market options and some of the shipyard ones
20100529 04:24:41< Aethaeryn> sometimes when I go to tech support I use my other Freenode nick...
20100529 04:24:52< Aethaeryn> just in case Aethaeryn might sound ridiculous in other contexts
20100529 04:24:54< Elvish_Pillager> Other than that I think I'm done with everything important
20100529 04:25:06< Aethaeryn> oh, cool.
20100529 04:25:13< Aethaeryn> so should I just wmllint the map?
20100529 04:25:18< Aethaeryn> and rewrite the rest of wesalwyn?
20100529 04:25:34< Elvish_Pillager> Sounds right
20100529 04:25:41< Elvish_Pillager> I'll have to tell you how to do some of the stuff
20100529 04:35:49< Elvish_Pillager> and oh yeah, commandeering
20100529 04:36:02 * Elvish_Pillager makes it so that any unit can commandeer a vessel
20100529 04:51:41< Elvish_Pillager> The ram spike was so useless. Maybe I should include it, but at the whopping price of 2g?
20100529 05:01:53< Elvish_Pillager> or require you to buy cannonballs for 1g each in the shipyards...
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20100529 05:17:13< Elvish_Pillager> Aethaeryn: Alright, implemented ship repairs and nautical map purchasing.
20100529 05:17:35< Elvish_Pillager> As for the other things you can get in the market, screw them!
20100529 05:17:59 * Elvish_Pillager declares the High Seas Era first version complete!
20100529 05:18:05< Elvish_Pillager> like 0.1 or whatever.
20100529 05:21:44< Elvish_Pillager> Aethaeryn: as soon as you're around, I can send you the stuff and/or instruct you on how to adapt your map(s) to the era
20100529 05:22:05< shadowmaster> so, this computer has a desktop shortcut that says something to the effect of how to activate a MS Office trail version.
20100529 05:22:13< shadowmaster> problem: it reads "Internets"
20100529 05:22:20< Aethaeryn> Elvish_Pillager: you don't do wesnoth-umc-dev SVN?
20100529 05:22:31< Elvish_Pillager> I don't know it yet
20100529 05:22:36< Elvish_Pillager> Should I?
20100529 05:23:21< shadowmaster> wait, wtf
20100529 05:23:37< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=430984#p430984
20100529 05:23:45< shadowmaster> the worst part is that it shares a existing forumer's IP
20100529 05:24:20< Elvish_Pillager> A younger sibling?
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20100529 05:24:49< Espreon> Elvish_Pillager: Jeß, you should. ;)
20100529 05:25:08< Elvish_Pillager> Introduce me to it?
20100529 05:25:58< Espreon> To what exactly? The project, SVN itself, or both?
20100529 05:26:09< Elvish_Pillager> Both, I guess?
20100529 05:26:35< Elvish_Pillager> or is there something online I should be reading instead?
20100529 05:26:42< Espreon> Yeah.
20100529 05:26:48< Elvish_Pillager> also, I think I'm too tired to really figure that out tonight
20100529 05:26:49< Espreon> Hold on, lemme grab links to the literature...
20100529 05:26:53< Aethaeryn> Elvish_Pillager: you should use it for two reasons
20100529 05:27:00< Aethaeryn> (1) so you can share it without emailing it
20100529 05:27:08< Elvish_Pillager> why is that desirable?
20100529 05:27:10< Aethaeryn> (2) so if you screw up you can revert without having to locally have backups at all
20100529 05:27:21< Aethaeryn> removes two hasseles.
20100529 05:27:23< Elvish_Pillager> I don't screw up :p
20100529 05:27:24< Aethaeryn> *hassles
20100529 05:27:33< Aethaeryn> I know I personally used to keep a lot of intermediate releases :P
20100529 05:27:46< Espreon> Elvish_Pillager: http://wesnoth-umc-dev.ai0867.net/
20100529 05:28:54< Espreon> Also, you have the benefit of having me be moar willing to help with things. ;)
20100529 05:30:21< Elvish_Pillager> looks complicated
20100529 05:30:27< Espreon> No, not really.
20100529 05:30:35< Elvish_Pillager> correction
20100529 05:30:42< Elvish_Pillager> looks a lot more complicated than not doing anything ^_^
20100529 05:30:42< Espreon> It's actually quite simple once you get the hang of it.
20100529 05:31:23 * Elvish_Pillager also is a bit leery of sourceforge
20100529 05:31:29< Espreon> Oh?
20100529 05:31:44< Espreon> What do you have against them? Tell us.
20100529 05:31:58< Espreon> ... for this is the SF.net Haters Club.
20100529 05:32:03< Elvish_Pillager> yeah, they have terms of service written thoroughly by lawyers
20100529 05:32:25< Elvish_Pillager> so I don't actually know whether I'm selling my soul do them or not when I sign up
20100529 05:32:29< Espreon> Don't you mean liars?
20100529 05:32:48< Elvish_Pillager> No. Therein lies the danger.
20100529 05:33:22< Espreon> If you want, I could get my interpreter to interpet the legal bullshit.
20100529 05:33:37< Espreon> 'Twould be amusing...
20100529 05:33:38< Elvish_Pillager> also I think sf.net's web interface is crummy
20100529 05:34:04< Elvish_Pillager> tired of this conversation
20100529 05:34:10< Espreon> Meh, you're no fun.
20100529 05:34:11< Elvish_Pillager> Aethaeryn, do you want the stuff or not?
20100529 05:34:33< Elvish_Pillager> sorry; it's just kind of late and stuff
20100529 05:35:05< Espreon> shadowmaster: I see... a hyphen-minus abuse on our website!
20100529 05:36:05< Espreon> Elvish_Pillager: What time is it in your area? It's only 11:35 PM in our area.
20100529 05:36:14< Espreon> When I mean "our", I mean "mine".
20100529 05:36:16< Elvish_Pillager> 11:35.
20100529 05:36:20< Espreon> ...
20100529 05:36:28< Espreon> Diurnal people are no fun.
20100529 05:36:32< Espreon> Right Aethaeryn?
20100529 05:39:56< shadowmaster> Espreon: I don't care
20100529 05:40:02< shadowmaster> I need to clean up after this fucking spammer
20100529 05:40:55< Espreon> Have fun.
20100529 05:41:43< shadowmaster> no
20100529 05:41:59< shadowmaster> I'll notify the mods, remove thread necromancy posts, and post in Moderators'
20100529 05:42:10< shadowmaster> too bad I wasn't around or I'd have given Gambit the power to help me
20100529 05:43:22< Espreon> ... and too bad that I am lazy.
20100529 05:43:31< Aethaeryn> Elvish_Pillager: too tired today
20100529 05:43:38< Elvish_Pillager> 'kay
20100529 05:43:42< Aethaeryn> could PM me if you want...
20100529 05:43:46 * Espreon wishes that he could access his Linux lappy so that he can compile his LOLC++.
20100529 05:43:49< Aethaeryn> but I won't get to it today.
20100529 05:43:52< Elvish_Pillager> do you want me to send you the files anyway so you'll have them if you want to do it when I'm not around?
20100529 05:44:06< Elvish_Pillager> oh wait
20100529 05:44:28< Elvish_Pillager> Anyway, think you'll be up for it tomorrow?
20100529 05:45:35< Aethaeryn> maybe earlier tomorrow
20100529 05:45:39< Aethaeryn> will be somewhat busy this weekend maybe
20100529 05:45:40< Aethaeryn> anyway
20100529 05:45:47< Elvish_Pillager> hmm
20100529 05:46:06< Elvish_Pillager> what if *I* update Wesalwyn?
20100529 05:46:31< Elvish_Pillager> I don't think I have the map though
20100529 05:46:32< shadowmaster> Espreon: YES, VERY AD YOU ARE LAZY
20100529 05:46:46< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=30139
20100529 05:47:05< shadowmaster> noy: do you think you can help me too?
20100529 05:47:49 * Espreon shall give no opinion ... for he beeth too blunt... plus he sucketh at giving judgment, for he beeth unreasonable.
20100529 05:48:04< noy> ?
20100529 05:48:09< shadowmaster> noy: check the linked thread
20100529 05:48:59< noy> what do you want me to do?
20100529 05:49:22< shadowmaster> help me remove posts :P
20100529 05:49:46< noy> just delete them?
20100529 05:50:04< shadowmaster> unless you have a better idea
20100529 05:50:13< shadowmaster> I mean, wait a second
20100529 05:50:28 * Espreon would like to smite some posts, for he is bored.
20100529 05:50:56< shadowmaster> well, I could just wipe out all his posts from the ACP but that could leave other users' replies hanging on the air
20100529 05:51:53< Espreon> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=430986#p430986 ... How... dare he!
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20100529 05:54:44< Espreon> shadowmaster: ... and of course, smite all replies to his posts that serve no other purposes, jeß?
20100529 05:55:24< shadowmaster> I said that in the post
20100529 05:55:26< shadowmaster> didn't I?
20100529 05:55:40< Espreon> IDK, I read it swiftly.
20100529 05:56:06< shadowmaster> don't delete his last one
20100529 05:56:21< Espreon> OK.
20100529 05:56:45< Espreon> So, what shall be done with that thread?
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20100529 05:57:15< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=431007#p431007
20100529 05:57:23< shadowmaster> it's locked and I want him to see it if he's watching as a guest
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20100529 05:57:59< shadowmaster> his IP seems to coincide with other forumers' only because of the provider
20100529 05:58:12< shadowmaster> damn IPv4 and the dynamic IP rotation shit
20100529 05:59:11< shadowmaster> if Gambit didn't report the post I'd not have noticed anyway. phew.
20100529 06:18:32< shadowmaster> I'm off to bed now
20100529 06:18:53< shadowmaster> hopefully no-one else will do anything stupid before we are around
20100529 06:19:23< shadowmaster> ("we" standing for people with admin powers)
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20100529 19:36:41< shadowmaster> it's odd that I still needed to destroy partitions to grow my swap space despite not having much need for disk swap at runtime
20100529 19:37:06< shadowmaster> it's just for the odd situation in which 3.7 GB RAM are in use and I need to suspend to disk :|
20100529 19:38:02< shadowmaster> 9.5 GB of virtual memory. 5.8 GB of swap, and 3.7 GB of RAM.
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20100529 19:49:44< shadowmaster> also, the great solution to the DSDT problem was redownloading the DSDT from the running system with 4 GB of RAM and repatching and recompiling both the DSDT and the kernel.
20100529 19:49:57< shadowmaster> so I've got a tainted kernel again \o/
20100529 19:51:08-!- ChanServ changed the topic of #wesnoth-umc-dev to: Wesnoth-UMC-Dev Project discussion and support channel | http://wesnoth-umc-dev.ai0867.net | Staff: AI0867, Espreon, shadowmaster | Project interface: http://tinyurl.com/umcdev | Forum thread: http://tinyurl.com/umcdev-thread | IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org, http://irclogs.ai0867.net
20100529 19:59:19< Espreon> shadowmaster: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=431127#p431127 ­ Heh...
20100529 20:01:55< shadowmaster> GODDAMMIT
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20100529 20:03:13< zookeeper> shadowmaster, a few days back i deleted a bunch of his inane posts
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20100529 20:03:34< shadowmaster> zookeeper: that's ridiculous
20100529 20:03:39< shadowmaster> Joined:  Yesterday, 10:25 pm
20100529 20:03:48< zookeeper> err, hmm
20100529 20:03:54< shadowmaster> I couldn't find anyone else with the same email address either
20100529 20:04:12< zookeeper> ok, well, maybe it was someone else then. similarly inane in any case and in pretty much the same threads :p
20100529 20:05:22< zookeeper> ah, it was shanecorner, second page in moderator logs
20100529 20:05:45< zookeeper> and i guess it was yesterday, after all
20100529 20:05:45< shadowmaster> but that was a spambot
20100529 20:06:31< zookeeper> uh, ok. then i'm just confused.
20100529 20:06:43< Espreon> ... and from NoM's credit files, krotop seems to have a lot of faith in me, for he credits me for installing the translation build system in NoM...
20100529 20:06:52< shadowmaster> hey, it's perfectly normal that they post a plenty first before adding a signature
20100529 20:07:18< shadowmaster> since other forums do have limitations in placce to not allow people to set some profile fields (signature, website, etc.) until their post count is above a certain number
20100529 20:07:38< Espreon> This one's platinum: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=30151&p=431134#p431134
20100529 20:08:38 * shadowmaster relaxes and watches
20100529 20:26:58< shadowmaster> Espreon: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=431147#p431147
20100529 20:27:46 * Espreon chuckles
20100529 20:28:32< Espreon> Peradventure (I just had to use that word) my title should be changed to "Typography Tyrant".
20100529 20:30:12< shadowmaster> a.k.a. Grammar Nazi?
20100529 20:31:45< Espreon> No, I wanna be recognized for forcing correct dashes on mainline.
20100529 20:33:29< shadowmaster> you want a public execution? :P
20100529 20:33:41< shadowmaster> I don't know whether translators are happy after that announcement.
20100529 20:34:45< Espreon> Honestly, I don't care.
20100529 20:35:21< shadowmaster> would you pour meat sauce on you and walk directly into a T-rex's lair?
20100529 20:35:43< shadowmaster> (Thesaurus Rex a.k.a. T-rex)
20100529 20:35:50< Espreon> Actually, a Spinosaurus' lair.
20100529 20:36:00< shadowmaster> no, Thesaurus.
20100529 20:36:26< Espreon> ...
20100529 20:36:39< shadowmaster> I know that feeling.
20100529 20:37:53< Espreon> Anyway, it is not like I replaced every instance of "the" with "banana pudding with chicken"
20100529 20:39:14< shadowmaster> 1) Windows is for lazy people
20100529 20:39:19< shadowmaster> 2) Some translators use Windows
20100529 20:39:27< shadowmaster> 3) Therefore, some translators are lazy
20100529 20:39:57< shadowmaster> 4) Therefore, some translators will not be amused with having to type some complicated keyboard sequence to get an em dash when they could formerly use just a regular minus
20100529 20:40:01< Espreon> Uh, so, you are saying that the translators do not know of copy and paste... jeß?
20100529 20:40:11< shadowmaster> 5) ??????????
20100529 20:40:26< shadowmaster> 6) e=m*c^2
20100529 20:40:30< shadowmaster> Eureka!
20100529 20:40:33< shadowmaster> *E
20100529 20:40:51< shadowmaster> Espreon: yeah...no idea.
20100529 20:40:51< Espreon> AAAAAAAAH! MATHS!
20100529 20:41:04< shadowmaster> Look, I have met many people IRL who don't know about CTRL-C and CTRL-V
20100529 20:41:19< shadowmaster> Therefore, those people probably wouldn't have much fun copy-pasting with the mouse
20100529 20:41:26< shadowmaster> repeatedly
20100529 20:41:46< shadowmaster> I trust that all Wesnoth contributors come from real life :(
20100529 20:42:48< shadowmaster> (therefore, no Wesnoth contributors know about CTRL-C and CTRL-V)
20100529 20:42:55< Espreon> How do people not know about CTRL-C and CTRL-V?
20100529 20:43:02< shadowmaster> (oh wait, that's contradictory. I know about CTRL-C and CTRL-V, therefore I can't be a Wesnoth contributor!)
20100529 20:43:26< shadowmaster> sadly, I've seen this kind of logic sequence applied in many places.
20100529 20:43:32< shadowmaster> Espreon: they don't read the manuals
20100529 20:43:45< Espreon> I don't either, so, how do I know about it?
20100529 20:43:53< shadowmaster> .
20100529 20:43:57< Espreon> ..
20100529 20:44:03< shadowmaster> someone else did it for you and transmitted the information to you?
20100529 20:44:10< Espreon> No, no.
20100529 20:44:13< shadowmaster> oh wait, the menus
20100529 20:44:18< Espreon> Probably.
20100529 20:44:20< shadowmaster> they have the keyboard shortcuts printed on them1
20100529 20:44:36< shadowmaster> the people I know click on OK buttons without reading, so whatever
20100529 20:44:54< Espreon> Who clicks on "OK"?
20100529 20:44:56< Espreon> Enter is fun.
20100529 20:45:21< shadowmaster> not everyone knows how to use the keyboard for stuff other than writing in Microsoft Word
20100529 20:45:39< shadowmaster> in other news, I'll have to teach my dad how to use a fucking laptop
20100529 20:45:50< Espreon> Also, anyone who calls it "Return" is as much of a douchebag as one who calls "sleet" "wintry mix".
20100529 20:46:00< Espreon> Does he tap on the touchpad?
20100529 20:46:09< Espreon> Honestly, that feature is stupid.
20100529 20:46:22< shadowmaster> I disabled it on both of my laptops.
20100529 20:46:27< shadowmaster> I didn't do it in his, to torture him.
20100529 20:46:49 * shadowmaster *evil grin*
20100529 20:46:56< Espreon> Is your father a monster?
20100529 20:47:08< shadowmaster> a 65 years old monster, pretty much
20100529 20:47:13< shadowmaster> more like a troll
20100529 20:47:16< Espreon> I'm sorry to hear that.
20100529 20:47:23< Espreon> Mine is fifty-something.
20100529 20:47:31< Espreon> ... and somehow I can get along with him now.
20100529 20:47:33< shadowmaster> he's one of these people who won't accept RTFM as an answer
20100529 20:47:58< Espreon> I have to hook up the printer and print for him all of the time.
20100529 20:48:04< Espreon> Even though I keep telling him how to do it.
20100529 20:48:05< shadowmaster> to make things worse, I have to teach him to use Windows 7
20100529 20:48:12< shadowmaster> :/
20100529 20:48:22< Espreon> ... before recently, I always had to operate the DVD player for my parents.
20100529 20:48:57< Espreon> ... they also can't hook up one to the TV, even though the logic is simple.
20100529 20:49:01< shadowmaster> anyway, this isn't so bad.
20100529 20:49:07< Espreon> Red to red... white to white... yellow to yellow.
20100529 20:49:08< shadowmaster> I may get...Internet...connection...at home.
20100529 20:49:18< Espreon> Holy shit? Really?
20100529 20:49:22< shadowmaster> yeah
20100529 20:49:47< Espreon> I got my Internet connection in early 2007.
20100529 20:49:59< shadowmaster> he made me choose the laptop precisely so that he could use it for Internet stuff. Which means that he's now considering buying some plan from some ISP
20100529 20:50:30< shadowmaster> which would mean that my availability would not be affected by cold, rainy days
20100529 20:51:10< Espreon> Which are arguably the best days... unless it is snowing.
20100529 20:51:11< shadowmaster> so let's see what I get in exchange for torturing myself with Windows 7 :3
20100529 20:51:16< Espreon> Snowy days are teh best.
20100529 20:51:32< Espreon> Hot, sunny, humid days suck.
20100529 20:51:43< Espreon> Have fun.
20100529 20:52:10< shadowmaster> this laptop we bought for him has a LED display I think
20100529 20:52:29< Espreon> So? It displays things.
20100529 20:52:32< shadowmaster> at least I don't see plain white backgrounds. I see white backgrounds with...a strange pattern on them
20100529 20:52:37< Espreon> It's like a car, it goes places.
20100529 20:52:47< Espreon> Ugh, how terrible.
20100529 20:52:53< shadowmaster> not like my laptop's display in which I don't see that strange pattern
20100529 21:01:00< Espreon> Can we please smite this person: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=431152#p431152 ?
20100529 21:02:49< Gambit> Espreon: Yes!
20100529 21:02:59< Gambit> Both of them.
20100529 21:03:16< Gambit> And that thread's creator.
20100529 21:03:26< Espreon> ... not good enough.
20100529 21:03:45< shadowmaster> Espreon: you mean PetePorty?
20100529 21:03:57< Espreon> Yup.
20100529 21:04:10< shadowmaster> I'll PM him
20100529 21:04:17< Gambit> Espreon: I'll throw in flameslash
20100529 21:04:23< Gambit> That's 4 smites for the price of 1!
20100529 21:04:30< Espreon> ...
20100529 21:04:41< Gambit> But only if you smite the first three in the next 10 minutes.
20100529 21:04:43 * Espreon wishes to have Gambit smitten as well
20100529 21:04:45< Gambit> Because we can't do this all day.
20100529 21:06:31< Gambit> shadowmaster: lol http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=431147#p431147
20100529 21:06:44< shadowmaster> yeah, I linked it above
20100529 21:06:55< Gambit> That's awesome.
20100529 21:20:55< Gambit> This post is also amazing: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=431125#p431125
20100529 21:30:07< Espreon> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=431159#p431159 ... Isn't naïveté fun?
20100529 21:30:48< Gambit> How has his bright red signature escaped notice so long?
20100529 21:30:50< Espreon> ... or at least dealing with someone else's...
20100529 21:32:04< Gambit> Though to be fair there is a developer out there with a bright red signature. People might not know better.
20100529 21:32:12< Gambit> On the other hand said developer has not posted in forever and a day.
20100529 21:32:28< Gambit> So odds are that user never saw it.
20100529 21:33:32< shadowmaster> it's too subtle
20100529 21:34:10< Gambit> shadowmaster: Hypothetically, would coloring a signature or post the exact same color as a link be allowed?
20100529 21:34:22< shadowmaster> it would be highly idiotic
20100529 21:34:37< shadowmaster> firstly because the link colors vary depending on the style and/or context
20100529 21:35:17< shadowmaster> secondly because colors are reserved for moderation purposes, or, when subtle, for conveying special information in a post that couldn't be optimally presented otherwise
20100529 21:35:25< shadowmaster> task lists fall on the latter category
20100529 21:36:11< Gambit> jeb.
20100529 21:36:19< shadowmaster> Espreon: teach him
20100529 21:36:32< shadowmaster> it's jeß I believe
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20100529 21:43:03< Espreon> shadowmaster: Jeß indeed.
20100529 21:43:52< shadowmaster> awesome compose key
20100529 21:43:58< Espreon> Gambit: B is not ß. ß = Eszett = a letter formed from short s and long s.
20100529 21:44:10< shadowmaster> the only thing I admire from XFree86/X.org :/
20100529 21:45:11-!- Gambit is now known as jeb1
20100529 21:45:15< Espreon> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=431085#p431085 ... LOL.
20100529 21:45:34< Espreon> shadowmaster: Why do/did you have faith in Gambit again?
20100529 21:46:03-!- jeb1 is now known as Gambit
20100529 21:46:14< shadowmaster> wait, what?
20100529 21:46:21< Gambit> shadowmaster: I never heard that :P
20100529 21:46:37< Espreon> Well, something about Gambit or something.
20100529 21:46:41< Espreon> IDFK.
20100529 21:46:47< shadowmaster> nether do I
20100529 21:46:49< shadowmaster> *neither
20100529 21:48:26< Gambit> Espreon: I'm sure it had something to do with murder.
20100529 21:49:46< Espreon> No, it had to do with Cosa Tipografica Nostra.
20100529 21:50:19< shadowmaster> Nostra?
20100529 21:50:22< shadowmaster> italian? :/
20100529 21:50:40< Espreon> Jeß.
20100529 21:51:52< Gambit> What Typographical  Us.
20100529 21:52:00 * Gambit smacks google translator
20100529 21:52:08< shadowmaster> Our Typographical Thing
20100529 21:52:09< Espreon> Our Typographical Thing.
20100529 21:52:10< Espreon> Yes.
20100529 21:52:18< Espreon> So, the Typographical Mafia...
20100529 21:52:29< Gambit> orrrrr grammar nazis
20100529 21:52:44< shadowmaster> heil em-dash! —
20100529 21:52:56< Espreon> No, typography and grammar are two different things.
20100529 21:53:00< Gambit> hyphen for the win
20100529 21:53:04< Espreon> shadowmaster: Jeß, jeß.
20100529 21:53:24< Espreon> Gambit: Ze Führer is not pleased...
20100529 21:53:44< Gambit> There's a youtube video for this moment. I just know it.
20100529 21:54:13< Gambit> Espreon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe9R7jcMPp4
20100529 21:55:31< Espreon> Ewwww... "S.S." is not in runes.
20100529 21:59:23< shadowmaster> afk now
20100529 21:59:51< Gambit> shadowmaster: But who will entertain us?
20100529 22:00:08< Gambit> Bye.
20100529 22:00:21< shadowmaster> well, you.
20100529 22:00:39< Gambit> I'll entertain us?
20100529 22:00:43< Gambit> It's an honor.
20100529 22:02:07< Espreon> No, you shall not.
20100529 22:06:49< Gambit> *shall'n't
20100529 22:07:37< Espreon> Not funny.
20100529 22:08:01< Gambit> 'twasn't meant to be.
20100529 22:08:34< Gambit> If a contraction is the first word in the sentance and the first letter of what the nontcontracted form would be like is missing due to it being part of a contraction, how do you handle capitalization?
20100529 22:08:38< Espreon> Real forms: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/shan%27t
20100529 22:10:37< Gambit> I can say shall'n't if I want to. 
20100529 22:10:44< Gambit> I can leave your rules behind.
20100529 22:10:46< Espreon> The first letter of the contraction would be capitalized.
20100529 22:11:01< Espreon> You mean just anyone can kill someone?
20100529 22:11:06< Espreon> *just like
20100529 22:11:50< Gambit> Cause your rules don't include shall'n't, and if they don't include shall'n't then they're no rules of mine.
20100529 22:12:42< Espreon> Well, I see your point, but, there is only one problem...
20100529 22:15:20< Gambit> I guess I'm supposed to ask what that is...
20100529 22:15:29< Espreon> Jeß jeß.
20100529 22:15:42< Espreon> The problem is that I don't care.
20100529 22:17:17< Gambit> Solution: puppies.
20100529 22:18:46< Espreon> Wolf puppies...
20100529 22:19:03< Gambit> Everyone cares about wolf puppies.
20100529 22:19:13< Espreon> Jeß jeß.
20100529 22:19:32< Espreon> Noöne cares about those ugly dogs with the pushed-in faces.
20100529 22:19:54< Gambit> They care so little, nobody even knows what that breed is called.
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20100529 23:54:30< Gambit> Espreon: I granted your first smite related wish.
20100529 23:54:53< Gambit> Expires in ~23 hours
20100529 23:55:02< Gambit> So if you had any speeches to give to him, speak fast :o
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20100529 23:58:56< shadowmaster> I'm so tempted to wipe out that thread
20100529 23:59:24< shadowmaster> if it wasn't because of the OP calling me "ignorant"
20100529 23:59:28< Gambit> The wish one?
20100529 23:59:34< shadowmaster> no
20100529 23:59:38< shadowmaster> your mom
20100529 23:59:54< shadowmaster> the wish one, of course
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