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20100501 00:28:16< Issyl> hello everyone
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20100501 00:33:37< shadowmaster> hi there
20100501 00:33:43< Identified> hey
20100501 00:35:34< Zerovirus> Hi.
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20100501 01:35:26< cph> finished converting my campaign to 1.8.0, no major problems. I rather like the WML changes that have been made.
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20100501 01:46:43 * Gambit wonders if it's safe to run kubuntu's updates.
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20100501 01:48:58< Zerovirus> Finished new sprite... A wee bit on the small side though.
20100501 01:50:18< Gambit> whoa kde is fking slick...
20100501 01:50:27< Gambit> It actually... looks cooler than vista o_O
20100501 01:51:02< shadowmaster> it should be safe
20100501 01:51:21< Gambit> shadowmaster: Well the one time I ran ubuntu's updates I had to totally reinstall because gnome broke.
20100501 01:51:56< Gambit> I have to disconnect real quick to install something so my new slick looking kubuntu laptop can get wireless.
20100501 01:51:59< Gambit> bbl
20100501 01:52:01< shadowmaster> um.
20100501 01:52:09< shadowmaster> well, openSUSE's updates did that for me once.
20100501 01:52:29< shadowmaster> current Debian stable hasn't ever done that for me. Neither has Debian testing (lenny and squeeze).
20100501 01:53:03< shadowmaster> ah wait, it did break KDE once but it was only for new logins and I don't restart X all the time
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20100501 03:04:25< Gambit> what's it mean that it "failed to lock a directory"?
20100501 03:04:41< Gambit> apt is messed up and I can't install the wireless drivers or anything else :(
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20100501 03:10:21< Issyl> it means your computer is broken
20100501 03:10:29< Issyl> you have to delete your system32 folder
20100501 03:10:30< shadowmaster> never seen anything like that
20100501 03:10:34< shadowmaster> Issyl: not Windows
20100501 03:10:39< Issyl> aww
20100501 03:10:43< Issyl> there goes my joke then
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20100501 03:11:16< Issyl> Huh.
20100501 03:11:22< shadowmaster> there goes Gambit too. (RIP)
20100501 03:11:53< shadowmaster> I'll be forever grateful for his effort in reminding me to install a certain package.
20100501 03:12:00< shadowmaster> He was such a nice kid.
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20100501 03:16:16< Issyl> May his spirit dine peacefully with Nyarlothep in the afterlife.
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20100501 04:22:29< Gambit> Several hours later...
20100501 04:22:33< Gambit> Still no wireless internet.
20100501 04:22:56< Gambit> Ubuntu (all flavors) hate me.
20100501 04:23:09< Issyl> Do they have a raspberry flavor?
20100501 04:23:11< Issyl> that's my favorite
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20100501 06:54:40< Blueblaze> ancestral: you left the channel
20100501 06:54:51< Blueblaze> and does it always take this long to send map?
20100501 06:54:59< Blueblaze> I guess so
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20100501 06:56:31< ancestral> Hmm?
20100501 06:56:35< ancestral> Hang on
20100501 06:56:39< ancestral> #wesnoth-music
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20100501 07:51:33< Issyl> Agh
20100501 07:51:47< Issyl> any of your artists got tips (or places where I can get a tip) on how to sprite a wooden shield?
20100501 07:57:49< VurtualRuler98> Well it's made out of wood, that's one thing.
20100501 07:58:10< VurtualRuler98> Probably small, since a big wooden shield would be impractical for that time.
20100501 08:00:01< Issyl> :/
20100501 08:00:05< Issyl> I mean like HOW to sprite it
20100501 08:00:09< Issyl> not what to sprite
20100501 08:00:12< Issyl> techniques, etc.
20100501 08:00:16< Issyl> I already know what I'm spriting.
20100501 08:00:45< VurtualRuler98> I never even knew spriting could be that complicated.
20100501 08:01:17< Issyl> It's more difficult than it looks ;/
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20100501 09:38:05< Ivanovic> moin
20100501 09:39:13< Unnheulu> Heya
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20100501 10:27:47< hagabaka> Invasion of the Unknown is really epic!
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20100501 10:31:44< Unnheulu> It's never going to mainline though :/
20100501 10:33:36< Unnheulu> Shame its not on the development server
20100501 10:35:20< hagabaka> is development 1.9?
20100501 10:35:39< Unnheulu> Yeh
20100501 10:35:52< Unnheulu> I'm only on it waiting for the new water to be commited+animated
20100501 10:36:07< Unnheulu> *committed
20100501 10:36:12< hagabaka> oh, are you maintaining it now?
20100501 10:36:17< Unnheulu> No
20100501 10:36:24< Unnheulu> I just wanna see the new water!
20100501 10:36:26< Unnheulu> :D
20100501 10:36:39< hagabaka> heh
20100501 10:37:04< hagabaka> I just finished the first "episode"
20100501 10:37:04< Unnheulu> Aww, it doesn't look great on dark water
20100501 10:37:09< Unnheulu> iPod?
20100501 10:37:14< Unnheulu> oh
20100501 10:37:20< Unnheulu> IftU?
20100501 10:37:24< hagabaka> yeah
20100501 10:37:39< Unnheulu> hmm, the water is animated...
20100501 10:37:44< Unnheulu> Just not in the map editor
20100501 10:38:02< Unnheulu> And other than the transitions looks great
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20100501 10:49:20< hagabaka> ok good night
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20100501 14:00:45< Necrosporus> Count Kromire seems interesting
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20100501 14:51:24< sevis> G'morning, Gambit, any luck with VirtualBox?
20100501 14:53:12< Gambit|Laptop> sevis I uninstalled that.
20100501 14:53:25< Gambit|Laptop> The virtual networking hardware slowed my internet...
20100501 14:53:37< Gambit|Laptop> But I wiped my laptop completely and put kubuntu on it.
20100501 14:53:48< Gambit|Laptop> It took all night but I finally got the wireless working this morning.
20100501 14:54:13< sevis> Hm, that's a strange effect, not heard of it. Grats on getting Kubuntu up, though, what do you think of it?
20100501 14:54:27< Gambit|Laptop> It's slick.
20100501 14:54:43< Gambit|Laptop> Speedier than ubuntu or xubuntu even though it actually appears fancier.
20100501 14:54:49< Gambit|Laptop> I suspect magic.
20100501 14:55:21< sevis> It could be that Ubuntu uses Compiz while Kubuntu may use KWin, that would explain diffrence in speed.
20100501 14:55:38< sevis> Not sure how it could be faster than Xubuntu, though... Maybe a really bad XFCE build.
20100501 14:56:51< sevis> But good that it works. Are you using Quassel now, or Kopete?
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20100501 14:56:59< sevis> Or still XChat?
20100501 14:57:39< Gambit|Laptop> I'm on quassell
20100501 14:58:57< sevis> Ah, nice, nice.
20100501 15:03:30< Gambit|Laptop> sevis: What do you use?
20100501 15:04:03< sevis> Gentoo, XMonad, irssi.
20100501 15:04:36< sevis> Just switched to XMonad yesterday, from Openbox, really liking it.
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20100501 15:05:18< Peter13> hi
20100501 15:05:38< Peter13> may I please say something?
20100501 15:06:21< Peter13> anyone?
20100501 15:06:30< Gambit|Laptop> yes?
20100501 15:06:42< Gambit|Laptop> unless you're not allowed for some wacky reason
20100501 15:06:53< Peter13> I have made this map
20100501 15:07:04< Peter13> and for me its a good creation
20100501 15:08:01< Peter13> have you made any good maps that you are proud of?
20100501 15:09:37< Gambit|Laptop> My maps are really bad.
20100501 15:09:55< sevis> I've not made any maps, but if I would, they'd be horrible.
20100501 15:10:13< Peter13> Well this is an ok map
20100501 15:10:37< Peter13> It is called "The Battle of Petreoshe Hills"
20100501 15:11:18< Unnheulu> Gambit|Laptop: Wait...wha?
20100501 15:11:23< Unnheulu> Faster than XUbuntu?
20100501 15:11:29< sevis> Hehehe.
20100501 15:11:29< Peter13> basically, whoever controls the hills, in the middle of the playing field, 95% of the time wins the game
20100501 15:11:31< Gambit|Laptop> ikr?!
20100501 15:11:39< Unnheulu> KDE lagged so bad for me
20100501 15:11:43< Peter13> what?
20100501 15:11:45< Gambit|Laptop> Unnheulu: Thanks for helping test my highlighting :)
20100501 15:11:50< Unnheulu> :/
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20100501 15:12:19< Unnheulu> Gambit|Laptop: you seen the new water in-game?
20100501 15:12:35< Gambit|Laptop> No.
20100501 15:12:45< Unnheulu> Other than transitions, it pwns
20100501 15:12:57< Peter13> guys
20100501 15:13:17< Peter13> Gambit what do you mean wait...wha?
20100501 15:13:18< Unnheulu> Although, eleazar seems to be working on those
20100501 15:13:30< Gambit|Laptop> ?
20100501 15:13:49< sevis> Unnheulu, 1.9 is only in subversion form, right?
20100501 15:14:00< Unnheulu> I think so
20100501 15:14:14< sevis> Hmm... Nah, I'm too lazy to set it up.
20100501 15:14:17< Unnheulu> Heh
20100501 15:14:31< Unnheulu> It takes like a whole hour to compile and install, maybe more
20100501 15:14:38< Gambit|Laptop> sevis: What is the "meta" key?
20100501 15:14:44< Peter13> so does my map have potential?
20100501 15:14:44< Gambit|Laptop> It says shift+meta for this one shortcut.
20100501 15:14:50< sevis> Gambit|Laptop: By default, the win key.
20100501 15:14:50< Unnheulu> Iirc the windows
20100501 15:15:29< Gambit|Laptop> thanks
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20100501 15:15:48< sevis> Unnheulu: I'm used to long compile times, netbook.
20100501 15:15:53< Gambit|Laptop> Unnheulu: If you get 1.9, you should get upthorn_persistence
20100501 15:16:12< Unnheulu> sevis: I havn't dared try to compile on my netbook
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20100501 15:16:57< sevis> It's not fast, but nothing impossible.
20100501 15:17:34< sevis> gcc, glibc and paludis upgrades are the only really annoying thing.
20100501 15:17:51< Unnheulu> Python's bugged out
20100501 15:18:01< Unnheulu> elias: are you sure python doesn't have a maximum number?
20100501 15:18:52< elias> yes, for integers
20100501 15:19:03 * Unnheulu wonders what caused it to bug out
20100501 15:19:15< sevis> Unnheulu, if the code isn't too long, pastebin it?
20100501 15:19:24< Unnheulu> ofc it's not ;)
20100501 15:20:00< Gambit|Laptop> Are you still working on that?
20100501 15:20:05 * Gambit|Laptop lols
20100501 15:20:06< Unnheulu> Gambit|Laptop: Nah
20100501 15:20:13< Unnheulu> http://pastebin.com/tKUqGYze
20100501 15:20:21< Unnheulu> I was just curious to see what numbers I was getting back
20100501 15:20:34< Necrosporus> When 1.8.1 would be available?
20100501 15:20:38< sevis> Errrrm.
20100501 15:20:40< Unnheulu> iirwiir
20100501 15:20:52< Unnheulu> sevis: yes, I know, big numbers :D
20100501 15:20:52< sevis> Unnheulu, what do you expect to get back?
20100501 15:20:57< Unnheulu> i
20100501 15:21:26< sevis> It'll be i^i!, I think...
20100501 15:21:58< sevis> Wait, how does range(100) work?
20100501 15:22:01< Unnheulu> i*=i is the same as i^2
20100501 15:22:08< Unnheulu> range(100) means to loop 100 times
20100501 15:22:12< sevis> Oh yeah.
20100501 15:22:20< sevis> Loop 100 times changing the variable?
20100501 15:22:26< Unnheulu> mmhmm
20100501 15:22:38< sevis> Then you'll get...
20100501 15:22:38< Unnheulu> Ahm
20100501 15:22:44< Unnheulu> i reverting constantly
20100501 15:22:52< Unnheulu> Which is another reason it shouldn't have bugged out
20100501 15:22:59< sevis> i^(2^100)
20100501 15:23:00< sevis> I think.
20100501 15:23:14< Unnheulu> For some reason ^ didn't work for me
20100501 15:23:19< Unnheulu> Which is why I did *=
20100501 15:23:19< sevis> No... Gah, one sec.
20100501 15:23:27< sevis> Yeah. I can imagine why it wouldn't.
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20100501 15:23:47< sevis> Yeah, what I said is right, I think, i^(2^100).
20100501 15:23:52< Unnheulu> Did elias try running the code?
20100501 15:24:29< sevis> That's... Rather too much.
20100501 15:24:32< Gambit|Laptop> eww wesnoth has to be downloaded in pieces?
20100501 15:24:42< Gambit|Laptop> That's funny.
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20100501 15:24:53< sevis> That's just the way Ubuntu does it.
20100501 15:24:55< Unnheulu> Either Rhonda or shadowmaster explained why to me once
20100501 15:25:13< Unnheulu> hi elias
20100501 15:25:17< Unnheulu> Bad connection again? ;)
20100501 15:26:18< elias> Unnheulu: yes :/
20100501 15:26:18< Necrosporus> Unnheulu, why not i^=2?
20100501 15:26:37< Unnheulu> Necrosporus: like I said, last time I experimented with ^ in python it didn't work
20100501 15:26:44< Unnheulu> Besides, that would give me a different number
20100501 15:26:49< Unnheulu> No it wouldn't >.<
20100501 15:27:04< sevis> But, still.
20100501 15:27:22< sevis> We know what you'll get... What are you getting?
20100501 15:27:27< Necrosporus> Unnheulu, i**=2 ?
20100501 15:27:46< Unnheulu> That works
20100501 15:27:53< Unnheulu> But i*=i is faster to type
20100501 15:28:15< Necrosporus> What would work faster?
20100501 15:28:29< Unnheulu> Would it make too much of a difference?
20100501 15:28:37< Necrosporus> Dunno
20100501 15:28:37< Unnheulu> Presumably *=, but...
20100501 15:29:03< sevis> Seeing as what you're trying to do will take pretty much forever anyway...
20100501 15:29:04< Necrosporus> Anyway, python is slow
20100501 15:29:10< Unnheulu> Yeh
20100501 15:29:26< Unnheulu> sevis: Well, if I forget to do i*=i, its quite fast
20100501 15:29:39< Necrosporus> But assmbler is not cross-platform :(
20100501 15:29:45< Unnheulu> Unless you're talking about the animation, DON'T WORRY. JETREL'S BASE FRAME IS FINAL.
20100501 15:29:48< sevis> I'd have to agree with that.
20100501 15:29:50< Necrosporus> Would not work on ARM processors i.e.
20100501 15:29:53< Unnheulu> Haha, thespaceinvader is nice
20100501 15:31:30< Unnheulu> I'm gonna try coding something that'll read a replay file, and tell you stuff like total gold amassed and stuff
20100501 15:31:46< Unnheulu> Unless that'sbeing coded for mainline wesnoth, in which case I won't bothere
20100501 15:31:49< Unnheulu> *bother
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20100501 15:32:54< Unnheulu> I won't bother
20100501 15:33:02< Unnheulu> It stores all that stuff at the end of the file already
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20100501 16:18:25< Gambit> What could possibly be the reason that a website would only allow windows? :\
20100501 16:18:45 * Gambit smacks whoever wrote his school
20100501 16:18:52< Gambit> *+'s LMS
20100501 16:19:13< sevis> Only allow IE, or only allow Windows?
20100501 16:19:26< Gambit> Only windows + IE or Firefox
20100501 16:19:41< Gambit> It used to be only Windows + IE. But now they allow firefox. But still only on windows.
20100501 16:19:51< Gambit> Although it let me in by running IE6 through wine.
20100501 16:20:45< sevis> That strange, seeing as wine's IE uses Gecko, afaik. :P
20100501 16:21:28< Gambit> Indeed.
20100501 16:21:39< Gambit> Actually I have no idea what you just said.
20100501 16:21:44< Gambit> But "indeed" to the strange part.
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20100501 16:23:52< sevis> Basically... As far as I know. the IE that Wine has is actually a really messed up firefox spinoff.
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20100501 16:27:58< Sacho> you can just mask your UA
20100501 16:28:01< Sacho> and access the site
20100501 16:28:13< Sacho> it doesn't actually have access to information  you yourself don't pass i
20100501 16:28:14< Sacho> t
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20100501 16:32:16< Gambit|Laptop> Sacho: Thanks! Konquorer already had a setting for that. Neat.
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20100501 17:25:30< Gambit> shadowmaster: What package did I remind you to install?
20100501 17:27:21< VurtualRuler98> Why would they block linux?
20100501 17:27:28< VurtualRuler98> Even I'd never be that cold-hearted.
20100501 17:28:46< Gambit> Linux, and Mac, and strange windows browsers.
20100501 17:29:07< Gambit> (like chrome) :o
20100501 17:29:09< sevis> Probably don't want to bother with help requests.
20100501 17:29:19< Gambit> ^that
20100501 17:29:37< Unnheulu> They're scared you'll hax0r them
20100501 17:29:43< Gambit> Parents in this school are not tech savvy at all.
20100501 17:30:07< VurtualRuler98> Schools are never "tech savvy"
20100501 17:30:08< Unnheulu> And those who know how to hack will be on linux :O
20100501 17:30:26< VurtualRuler98> Send them that page where the guy warns people about "lunix" and "flash"
20100501 17:30:30< sevis> Well, it would be funny to break in and remove the restriction... But let's not go there.
20100501 17:30:31< VurtualRuler98> I hack on windows!
20100501 17:30:41< VurtualRuler98> Break in, you say?
20100501 17:30:41< Unnheulu> VurtualRuler98: I know that mIRC has all those lovely colours and effects
20100501 17:30:53< sevis> I'm on Linux and I don't hack... :P
20100501 17:30:57< Unnheulu> Unfortunately they are the equivalent of drowning a cat
20100501 17:31:01< VurtualRuler98> I used bold on two words, Unnheulu.
20100501 17:31:04< Gambit> All linux users are hackers.
20100501 17:31:12< VurtualRuler98> It's more like sprinkling water on a tiger.
20100501 17:31:19< Gambit> You have to hack in order to use linux.
20100501 17:31:19< sevis> Or, to be specific, I don't crack.
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20100501 17:31:38< sevis> Gambit, not true, Ubuntu can be used out of the box just fine, I did precisely that for two years.
20100501 17:31:49< VurtualRuler98> Anyone who tries to split hacking/cracking is going down with those people who don't let you use "alot", and insist "they" is for multiple people only.
20100501 17:31:54< VurtualRuler98> I hate them. Alot.
20100501 17:32:09< sevis> Oh hey, I've got a hater.
20100501 17:32:37< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: That special hell?
20100501 17:32:46< Gambit> For child molesterers and people who talk in the theatre?
20100501 17:32:54< VurtualRuler98> No, you're just in one of those hate-categories. It's nothing personal, just a rage-seeking shotgun of hatred.
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20100501 17:33:30< Unnheulu|irssi> Blargh, switching between two noisy clients is annoying
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20100501 17:33:43< sevis> In all three of them, actually, but anyway.
20100501 17:34:20< sevis> I don't care too much about them.
20100501 17:34:47 * Gambit wonders why anyone would want files to open on single click...
20100501 17:35:05< sevis> Gambit, press on the icon to simply select them.
20100501 17:35:35< Gambit> on mouse up it opens things. :s
20100501 17:35:48< sevis> Are you using list or tile?
20100501 17:36:43 * Gambit found the silly setting.
20100501 17:36:54< VurtualRuler98> I know someone who preferred that. They're my mom.
20100501 17:37:00< Gambit> Oddly enough changing it to double click... didn't do a thing./
20100501 17:37:17< VurtualRuler98> Until recently they'd only use that, even if everyone else on the planet hated it, and had to use that machine.
20100501 17:37:17< Unnheulu|irssi> erm
20100501 17:37:26< Unnheulu|irssi> Gambit, where does windows download fiels to?
20100501 17:37:28< Unnheulu|irssi> *files
20100501 17:37:34< Gambit> Unnheulu|irssi: Wherever you tell it.
20100501 17:37:42< Gambit> On vista it default to a downloads folder
20100501 17:37:45< Gambit> User/downloads
20100501 17:37:50< Gambit> On XP it defaults to my documents
20100501 17:37:52< Unnheulu|irssi> I'll guess 7 is the same
20100501 17:38:00< Gambit> *my* documents. I can see all your downloads :P
20100501 17:38:41< sevis> Gambit, it's a decent setting once you get used to it, really. There should be a green + that appears upon mouseover, click that to simply select without opening.
20100501 17:38:50< VurtualRuler98> They'd not only have it open on single click, they'd mouse over an icon and wait, and wait, and wait, until their reallly slow highlight time highlighted the icon before clicking. If they highlighted the wrong thing, they'd violently shake the mouse and wait for it to de-highlight, then try to highlight their target again.
20100501 17:39:13< VurtualRuler98> They at least once got stuck in a loop of this, and eventually gave up in frustration.
20100501 17:40:34< Gambit> Okay so turns out pidgin really isn't that great of an IRC client
20100501 17:40:55< Gambit> Unnheulu|irssi: You have 7?
20100501 17:40:59< sevis> Oh wow.
20100501 17:41:05< Unnheulu|irssi> Gambit: yeh, on one computer
20100501 17:41:10< sevis> What's next? Vista isn't that great of an OS? :P
20100501 17:41:15< Unnheulu|irssi> Strictly games though :P
20100501 17:41:24< VurtualRuler98> Hey, I use vista.
20100501 17:41:26< VurtualRuler98> :(
20100501 17:41:29< Gambit> sevis: Vista is awesome.
20100501 17:41:38< Gambit> Probably not as good as 7...
20100501 17:42:04< Gambit> Though I can't believe how smooth kubuntu is while taking almost no resources.
20100501 17:42:20< Necrosporus> Windows must die
20100501 17:42:35< Gambit> And desktop widgits that are actually useful and don't take up as much ram as a fullscreen videogame.
20100501 17:42:36< Necrosporus> Because non free
20100501 17:42:38< sevis> I don't have much against Vista, but you changing your opinion on Pidgin makes me wonder what you'll change your mind on next. :P
20100501 17:43:04< Necrosporus> Vista is terrible even for windows
20100501 17:43:13< VurtualRuler98> oh no it's nonfree
20100501 17:43:14< VurtualRuler98> those monsters
20100501 17:43:14< Necrosporus> XP is at least tolerable
20100501 17:43:15< Gambit> Necrosporus: Windows won't die until I can install my graphics tablet on it with 3 clicks and it works perfectly and there are actually video games and software available :P
20100501 17:43:21< VurtualRuler98> That's a moral event horizon for operating systems.
20100501 17:43:40< Necrosporus> Gambit, Wesnoth is available for GNU/Linux
20100501 17:43:44< Necrosporus> I play it
20100501 17:43:49< VurtualRuler98> They're making standards that work for our advantage!
20100501 17:43:54< Gambit> Aaaaand that's about it.
20100501 17:44:10< sevis> Gambit, what type of games do you like?
20100501 17:44:28< VurtualRuler98> My drivers are easily supported inherently! My top-of-the-line equipment is functional! Actions are quick!
20100501 17:44:30< Gambit> It'd be shorter to list genres I don't like: music and sports
20100501 17:44:31< Necrosporus> Gambit, what is graphic tablet?
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20100501 17:44:38< VurtualRuler98> I think I might go insane from all this functioanlity.
20100501 17:44:43< Gambit> Necrosporus: Something that doesn't work on linux :)
20100501 17:44:55< VurtualRuler98> Gambit, what about audiosurf? Madden!?
20100501 17:44:55< Gambit> It's a thing you plug into the computer and you can draw on it with a pen.
20100501 17:44:57< VurtualRuler98> MARIO KART!?
20100501 17:44:58< Necrosporus> I dunno what is it
20100501 17:45:07< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: Mario Kart is a racer.
20100501 17:45:11< VurtualRuler98> Then again mario kart isn't the sport-like racer yeah
20100501 17:45:18< Necrosporus> Gambit, I don't have one
20100501 17:45:24< VurtualRuler98> What about ganonbal
20100501 17:45:27< VurtualRuler98> ganonball*
20100501 17:45:29< VurtualRuler98> That's kinda a sport.
20100501 17:45:30< Gambit> wha?
20100501 17:45:33< Necrosporus> I have touchpad, it works well
20100501 17:45:59< Gambit> touchpads require body heat and are tiny.
20100501 17:46:10< Gambit> They don't work so well for writing on blackboards for presentations.
20100501 17:46:14< Necrosporus> Touchpad is a thing you don't need to plug and you can draw on it without a pen
20100501 17:46:21< Gambit> -_-
20100501 17:46:35< Necrosporus> So it's better :)
20100501 17:46:39< Gambit> Yeah that'd be an interesting presentation.
20100501 17:46:39< VurtualRuler98> A graphical tablet is meant for like, precision work.
20100501 17:46:50< VurtualRuler98> and art-level stuff
20100501 17:46:54< Gambit> This fat squiggle over here is the graph of y=sin x
20100501 17:47:02< VurtualRuler98> Try drawing something really nice with your finger on a touchpad.
20100501 17:47:02< Necrosporus> Gambit, why write on blackboard if you can just type?
20100501 17:47:16< VurtualRuler98> Necrosporus, get a touchpad
20100501 17:47:18< Gambit> Necrosporus: Writing equations and what not.
20100501 17:47:19< VurtualRuler98> now, do a proper drawing quickly.
20100501 17:47:21< VurtualRuler98> Without any errors.
20100501 17:47:34< VurtualRuler98> Now that you realise how dumb you sound, we can continue.
20100501 17:47:39< Necrosporus> Gambit, use TeX
20100501 17:47:39< Gambit> Diagrams, graphs, equations, etc.
20100501 17:47:49< VurtualRuler98> Linux has almost as many nogames as the ps3.
20100501 17:47:49< Necrosporus> to type equalations
20100501 17:47:58< sevis> Hm. Gambit, I can't think of any games at the moment, but wine is getting better pretty fast.
20100501 17:48:08< Gambit> On XP I had to install my graphics tablet. On vista it was plug and play.
20100501 17:48:10< sevis> And I'll second the TeX suggestion, it's absolutely wonderful.
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20100501 17:48:17 * Gambit googles TeX
20100501 17:48:34< Gambit> on Ubuntu I spent 5 hours of googling and typing commands.
20100501 17:48:41< Gambit> It still didn't work.
20100501 17:48:45< VurtualRuler98> Linux does have the ability to let you hold a key and type to produce characters your keyboard doesn't have.
20100501 17:49:02< Necrosporus> µ?
20100501 17:49:29< Gambit> Well ya still can't graph and draw diagrams with a keyboard.
20100501 17:49:32< Gambit> Or scratch things out.
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20100501 17:49:56< sevis> Gambit: It's a language for writing documents in. You then run the file through a program and you get a nice-looking document.
20100501 17:49:57< Necrosporus> Gambit, you can type svg-file
20100501 17:50:14< sevis> Gambit: For graphs and drawings... Try GNUplot.
20100501 17:50:17< Necrosporus> it's plain text
20100501 17:50:20< Gambit> Graphical tablet > keyboard || touchpad
20100501 17:50:26< Gambit> or mouse for that matter.
20100501 17:50:41< sevis> Gambit: How old is the tablet?
20100501 17:50:46< VurtualRuler98> Mice are hardcore.
20100501 17:51:04< Necrosporus> I know one girl who bought a tablet, but said mouse it better for drawing
20100501 17:51:05< Gambit> sevis: no idea.
20100501 17:51:21< Necrosporus> And so she don't use it
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20100501 17:51:40< sevis> Gambit: Well, it's either too hard to write the drivers, and it won't be done, or it's being done and will soon be finished.
20100501 17:51:52< sevis> Or it's done but not done too well yet.
20100501 17:51:58< Gambit> I know Barrack Obama and he says I'm always right.
20100501 17:52:13< Gambit> sevis: It would click, but the pen would not move the cursor.
20100501 17:52:40< Gambit> No but seriously, that girl is nuts.
20100501 17:52:47< sevis> I can see why tablet not working is a problem, but the only way around it is making sure the tablet is Linux-compatible when you buy it.
20100501 17:52:48< Necrosporus> I suppose, maybe you can find a tablet which can work with GNU/Linux
20100501 17:53:02< sevis> (or, wait, you're a coder, go write the drivers yourself :P)
20100501 17:53:02< Gambit> I just use what the school sent me.
20100501 17:53:16< Gambit> The linux hating school.
20100501 17:53:23< Gambit> rofl
20100501 17:53:29< VurtualRuler98> I'm not gonna try to get some "linux compatable" tablet so I can fit in to your cool-circle.
20100501 17:54:05< sevis> Gambit, do you agree the problem is in the school, not in Linux? :P
20100501 17:54:09< VurtualRuler98> I'd rather man up, spend some money(it's money, not like it's your hotwheels collection from when you were a kid), have windows, then have everything work on the spot.
20100501 17:54:40< VurtualRuler98> Rather than using some patchwork-OS that's only good for a handful of things as my only life support, then ripping out my hair when things don't work.
20100501 17:54:42< Necrosporus> Windows is non-free
20100501 17:54:49< Gambit> sevis: No.
20100501 17:54:52< Gambit> It's a popular tablet.
20100501 17:54:58< Necrosporus> Proprietary
20100501 17:55:01< VurtualRuler98> Here's what happened just a few days ago.
20100501 17:55:10< Necrosporus> So it's wrong even if it works
20100501 17:55:13< Gambit> Necrosporus: So is all the other great software.
20100501 17:55:20< Gambit> [/bait]
20100501 17:55:22< Necrosporus> Gambit, non true
20100501 17:55:23< sevis> Do you mind sharing what tablet it exactly is?
20100501 17:55:29< VurtualRuler98> "Okay, the server isn't working right."
20100501 17:55:31< Necrosporus> Wesnoth is great and free
20100501 17:55:46< VurtualRuler98> "Okay, I don't have the right version of mono, and I can't install it no matter what."
20100501 17:55:56< VurtualRuler98> "Screw this, I'll use the windows version of this."
20100501 17:56:04< VurtualRuler98> And guess whaaaat, it worked fine.
20100501 17:56:20< Gambit> Manhatten, 
20100501 17:56:26< Necrosporus> Can you name any great non-free software ?
20100501 17:56:34< Gambit> Coldfusion
20100501 17:56:41< Gambit> Windows
20100501 17:56:46< VurtualRuler98> Quake.
20100501 17:56:47< Gambit> winamp
20100501 17:56:50< VurtualRuler98> Well actually, Source.
20100501 17:56:54< Gambit> UDK
20100501 17:56:59< Necrosporus> Windows is not great
20100501 17:57:00< Gambit> taikodom
20100501 17:57:05< VurtualRuler98> Steam.
20100501 17:57:07< Gambit> steam
20100501 17:57:08< VurtualRuler98> Steam is wonderful.
20100501 17:57:10< Necrosporus> Quake are free software
20100501 17:57:11< Gambit> ninja'd D:
20100501 17:57:18< Gambit> actually I dislike steam but a lot of other people love it
20100501 17:57:22< VurtualRuler98> How does it fit as "free software"?
20100501 17:57:25< Gambit> skype?
20100501 17:57:34< Necrosporus> Winamp is  trash, mplayer is 100 times better
20100501 17:57:40< VurtualRuler98> I'm using winamp right now.
20100501 17:57:42< VurtualRuler98> It reads what you say
20100501 17:57:46< Gambit> Necrosporus: winamp is the most compact music player I have found.
20100501 17:57:54< Necrosporus> steam is DRM so it's wrong
20100501 17:57:55< Gambit> We argued about this extensively in off topic.
20100501 17:57:58< sevis> Campact in which sense?
20100501 17:58:03< sevis> compact*
20100501 17:58:07< VurtualRuler98> I can click a song, song plays
20100501 17:58:07< Gambit> sevis: both memory and processor
20100501 17:58:17< VurtualRuler98> If I want a tiny, efficient, nice-looking window in the corner, I can.
20100501 17:58:27< VurtualRuler98> It fully supports every last crazy way I can control it.
20100501 17:58:33< sevis> And Gambit, when you said "Manhattan", was that all you know about the tablet? :\
20100501 17:58:36< Gambit> it registers as 0% of my processing power and IIRC under 1mb of ram.
20100501 17:58:39< Gambit> sevis: Yes :(
20100501 17:58:46< Necrosporus> $ ls -l /home/ftp/slackdvd/slackware/xap/audacious-*tgz
20100501 17:58:46< Necrosporus> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1201420 2008-11-17 10:10 /home/ftp/slackdvd/slackware/xap/audacious-1.5.0-i486-2.tgz
20100501 17:58:46< Necrosporus> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1465940 2008-11-17 10:10 /home/ftp/slackdvd/slackware/xap/audacious-plugins-1.5.0-i486-2.tgz
20100501 17:58:56< Necrosporus> Audacious is more compact
20100501 17:58:56< Gambit> quick time?
20100501 17:58:56< VurtualRuler98> winamp is using 16,696k memory
20100501 17:58:58< VurtualRuler98> of 8GB
20100501 17:58:58< Gambit> cityscape
20100501 17:59:00< Necrosporus> then winamp
20100501 17:59:14< sevis> Gambit: I really have trouble believing winamp is smaller than mplayer. Any GUI will put at least some strain.
20100501 17:59:15< Gambit> ProE
20100501 17:59:23< VurtualRuler98> Also steam is just plain awesome
20100501 17:59:30< Gambit> Autocad
20100501 17:59:35< VurtualRuler98> The amount of money I save and the amount of functionality I have now is amazing.
20100501 18:00:08< Necrosporus> Steam can't do anything useful except in-game chat
20100501 18:00:17< VurtualRuler98> data in cloud servers
20100501 18:00:22< VurtualRuler98> automatic updates, news feeds
20100501 18:00:24< sevis> Gambit: If you know so little about the touchpad, yes, it will be hard to get drivers. If you can find out more, I could help install.
20100501 18:00:25< VurtualRuler98> digital downloads
20100501 18:00:35< VurtualRuler98> sevis, you're like a best buy employee now
20100501 18:00:48< VurtualRuler98> He's giving your method the proverbial, and potentially literal, finger.
20100501 18:00:51< Necrosporus> VurtualRuler98, or, apt can do autoupdates as well
20100501 18:00:59< VurtualRuler98> yes let's apt-get my games
20100501 18:01:05< VurtualRuler98> Where's the quake series in there?
20100501 18:01:16< VurtualRuler98> Orange box? Left 4 Dead? The half-life anthology?
20100501 18:01:17< Necrosporus> VurtualRuler98, there is great wget for digital download
20100501 18:01:24< VurtualRuler98> Evil Genius?
20100501 18:01:38< VurtualRuler98> Civilization IV? I see "freeciv", but that's not it.
20100501 18:01:51< Necrosporus> VurtualRuler98, if their publishers would make it free software it will
20100501 18:02:04< Necrosporus> Unless it is wrong
20100501 18:02:06< VurtualRuler98> EA has no control
20100501 18:02:14< VurtualRuler98> Valve wouldn't be making money if it were free software
20100501 18:02:30< VurtualRuler98> Then they'd never have made portal, which pretty much turned gaming on its head.
20100501 18:02:30< Gambit> sevis: Well I remember part of the setup was getting the model number.
20100501 18:02:36< Gambit> I just don'r reemmeber what that was :$
20100501 18:02:42< Gambit> I'd have to google the command.
20100501 18:02:42< Necrosporus> Wesnoth is free software and is better then any proprietary game I know
20100501 18:02:44< VurtualRuler98> There'd be no TF2, and no half-life games.
20100501 18:02:51< VurtualRuler98> okay wesnoth is better than portal, suuuure.
20100501 18:02:54< Gambit> Necrosporus: Find me something open source that's comparable to Auto-Cad
20100501 18:02:58< Gambit> You have 20 years.
20100501 18:02:59< Gambit> Go!
20100501 18:03:08< VurtualRuler98> also portal and half-life 2
20100501 18:03:09< Necrosporus> qCAD?
20100501 18:03:11< VurtualRuler98> and tf2
20100501 18:03:21< Necrosporus> Quake3?
20100501 18:03:29< VurtualRuler98> quake 3 costs money
20100501 18:03:30< Gambit> Necrosporus: I said comparable, not "will eventually be (if ever)"
20100501 18:03:33< VurtualRuler98> around 49 dollars or so
20100501 18:03:34< Necrosporus> don't know, what's tf2
20100501 18:03:42< VurtualRuler98> you have no amount for argument
20100501 18:03:57< Necrosporus> Autocad is wrong
20100501 18:04:01< Gambit> lawl
20100501 18:04:04< Necrosporus> Because its non free
20100501 18:04:06< VurtualRuler98> no necro
20100501 18:04:07< VurtualRuler98> you are the wrong
20100501 18:04:13< Gambit> Tell that to the bridge you drive over.
20100501 18:04:14< VurtualRuler98> and then necro was immoral
20100501 18:04:17< Gambit> Or the building you work in.
20100501 18:04:31< Gambit> There is nothing open source for engineering.
20100501 18:04:33< VurtualRuler98> http://www.teamfortress.com/movies.htm Watch any of these, they'll explain some of the TF2-verse.
20100501 18:04:46< Necrosporus> Gambit, really?
20100501 18:05:00< VurtualRuler98> meet the heavy was first, each one later got more and more complex.
20100501 18:05:02< Gambit> Nothing comparable to the proprietary ones.
20100501 18:05:21< Necrosporus> I'm not an engeer, so I would not dispute
20100501 18:05:28< VurtualRuler98> meet the heavy to meet the soldier to... meet the sniper? to meet the sandvich to meet the engineer, demo, and then finally the dramatic epic that is spy.
20100501 18:05:39< Necrosporus> I just know, there is a bunch os free software
20100501 18:05:52< VurtualRuler98> You can't really dispute steam or gaming since you aren't anywhere near an expert in those fields
20100501 18:06:17< Necrosporus> Gambit, if that companies would make such software free it would
20100501 18:06:25< Gambit> I'm not going to sacrifice my time, sanity, and enjoyment on some silly ideal.
20100501 18:06:27< VurtualRuler98> How wold they afford it?
20100501 18:06:47< Gambit> I use OS when it's available, and when it works even 80% as well as the non OS ones.
20100501 18:06:54< VurtualRuler98> Left 4 Dead 2, despite the amazing amount of unvalvelike craftsmanship, had millions thrown into an advertising campaign
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20100501 18:07:42< Necrosporus> I know what is steam
20100501 18:07:51< Necrosporus> It's some DRM-like system
20100501 18:08:02< VurtualRuler98> You buy games with it
20100501 18:08:08< Gambit> Necrosporus: Wrong.
20100501 18:08:10< Necrosporus> integrating some usefull functionality
20100501 18:08:17< Gambit> Warmer.
20100501 18:08:26< Necrosporus> But not many, only updates and chat
20100501 18:08:27< VurtualRuler98> Except valve's own games, for sanity reasons, most of those games don't actually force you to buy through steam.
20100501 18:08:31< VurtualRuler98> It's entirely voluntary.
20100501 18:08:43< VurtualRuler98> Updates, a community system
20100501 18:08:59< VurtualRuler98> Supports modding well, and massive deals.
20100501 18:09:24< VurtualRuler98> The biggest money-saver you will ever see, ever.
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20100501 18:09:32< Necrosporus> What steam can do which can't do apt+jabber+ individual ingame chat systems like that one in wesnoth ie
20100501 18:09:42< Gambit> It also gives all companies involved the peace of mind to stop using CDs.
20100501 18:09:54< VurtualRuler98> Necrosporus, fund sequels
20100501 18:09:54< Gambit> *stop requiring CDs.
20100501 18:09:55< VurtualRuler98> good ones
20100501 18:09:58< VurtualRuler98> Like TF2, or half-life 2.
20100501 18:10:11< VurtualRuler98> We lost track around the 50s game of the year award.
20100501 18:10:13 * Gambit is honestly a little tired of sequals, but that's beside the point.
20100501 18:10:31< Gambit> there's only one game that needs a sequal right now.
20100501 18:10:34< VurtualRuler98> I've replayed hl2 many times over, and only now am I bored of just running through it.
20100501 18:10:38< Gambit> And that's SWBF2.
20100501 18:10:44< VurtualRuler98> Also don't forget that valve are the people who(despite l4d2, which wasn't their best guys) are known for getting everything perfect and sparing no expense on getting everything perfect.
20100501 18:10:44< Necrosporus> funding something is not a software use-case
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20100501 18:10:51< Necrosporus> So it doesn't count
20100501 18:10:56< VurtualRuler98> A communtiy system
20100501 18:10:56< Gambit> The rest can die and their companies can invent some new intellectual properties.
20100501 18:10:59< VurtualRuler98> A single, perfect community system
20100501 18:11:04< VurtualRuler98> All my games here, right now.
20100501 18:11:11< Necrosporus> What is community system?
20100501 18:11:21< VurtualRuler98> a nice IM, groups
20100501 18:11:29< Necrosporus> Nice im is jabber
20100501 18:11:31< VurtualRuler98> all sorts of sweet stuff that made me friends
20100501 18:11:33< Rhonda> Gambit: It's split into different packages because a.) having architecture independent stuff (images and other data) reduces the archive quite a lot, and not everyone wants to have all the campaigns installed because their size isn't that small neither. Same with music.
20100501 18:11:36< Necrosporus> So doesn't count
20100501 18:11:55< Rhonda> Gambit: Using a package manager makes you get them all though.
20100501 18:12:06< VurtualRuler98> The in-game overlay(a clock, things about achievements if you care about that, chat, voice chat, group chat, voice group chat) works with everything
20100501 18:12:10< Rhonda> So you don't notice anything about "seperate downloads".
20100501 18:12:33< Gambit> I'm reminded of Tim Minchin's poem "Storm".
20100501 18:12:39< Necrosporus> VurtualRuler98, there is clock in wesnoth
20100501 18:12:44< Gambit> We'd as well be back 10 minutes in time for all the chance he'll change his mind.
20100501 18:12:47< VurtualRuler98> The steam cloud, which supports things like remembering your saves if you want, so you can pick up from where you left off anywhere on the planet.
20100501 18:13:02< Necrosporus> Voice chat is too traffic-expensive anyway
20100501 18:13:09< Necrosporus> But there is speex
20100501 18:13:13< VurtualRuler98> works fine here
20100501 18:13:25< VurtualRuler98> My friend was drunk earlier, all his friends gathered together to see this.
20100501 18:13:39< VurtualRuler98> It was fun.
20100501 18:13:43< VurtualRuler98> The we played counter-strike
20100501 18:13:49< Gambit> There is no arguing with an open-source zealot.
20100501 18:13:51< Necrosporus> wesnoth server can store at least replays
20100501 18:14:06< Gambit> Yes it would be great if everything were open source. The world would just be sugar and rainbows.
20100501 18:14:08< VurtualRuler98> Also, steam has been known for turning devs better.
20100501 18:14:14< Gambit> But people do things for money.
20100501 18:14:20< VurtualRuler98> They have hard statistics that whenever a game goes on sale, the lower the price is, the more it amkes.
20100501 18:14:25< VurtualRuler98> and quality and things like that
20100501 18:14:26< Necrosporus> I suppose, it would be able to store savegames if someone would care
20100501 18:14:34< VurtualRuler98> Even though devs get to pick how much they put the price at.
20100501 18:15:41< Necrosporus> > <Gambit> But people do things for money. // there is many things which are more important then money
20100501 18:16:35< Necrosporus> Freedom, life, and creativity
20100501 18:16:53< Necrosporus> Money is just a resource
20100501 18:17:01< Necrosporus> Nothing more and nothing less
20100501 18:17:20< VurtualRuler98> Anyways, steam is great, being proprietary isn't wrong, you're about as smart as that fart I let out a few days ago, and I can reccomend you some places to stick your open source up.
20100501 18:17:21< Gambit> Which is needed to aquire the 3 aforementioned important things.
20100501 18:17:23< Necrosporus> Yes, it's easy to convert resource
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20100501 18:17:46< VurtualRuler98> go play TA without resources
20100501 18:17:56< VurtualRuler98> see how long you last without any form of laser weapon, cloak, or the ability to make even one building
20100501 18:18:02< VurtualRuler98> and your enemy rushes you
20100501 18:18:11< Gambit> Necrosporus: Would you let your teeth rot out because the dentist charges too much?
20100501 18:18:21< VurtualRuler98> stop eating and breathing too, those are resources.
20100501 18:18:23< Gambit> s/charges too much/charges _money period_
20100501 18:18:44< Gambit> Necrosporus: Would you stop eating because food costs money?
20100501 18:18:53< Gambit> I guess you could go back to a bartering system.
20100501 18:19:04< Necrosporus> Money is useful
20100501 18:19:15< Gambit> Necrosporus: So why do you deny it from software developers?
20100501 18:19:18< Gambit> They do a job.
20100501 18:19:19< Necrosporus> But it's not something most important
20100501 18:19:27< Necrosporus> I don't deny it
20100501 18:19:31< VurtualRuler98> Yes you do
20100501 18:19:34< VurtualRuler98> Very explicitly.
20100501 18:19:57< VurtualRuler98> Like when a game needs to remind you that it has adult content, then you get very detailedly faceraped for two hours.
20100501 18:20:03< Necrosporus> But charging for user subjugating software is immoral
20100501 18:20:06< VurtualRuler98> And then it gives you a play-by-play for the next four.
20100501 18:20:07< Gambit> They have wives (or husbands), kids, mortages
20100501 18:20:26< VurtualRuler98> Anyways all we need is a xanatos and then we can trap Necrosporus in his own words.
20100501 18:20:30< VurtualRuler98> Oh hey I'm here. Let's do this!
20100501 18:21:04< Necrosporus> Developers should not subjugate their users
20100501 18:21:19< VurtualRuler98> I'm not being sub-jer-jug-gated here.
20100501 18:21:54< Necrosporus> Microsoft subjugated windows users
20100501 18:22:02< Necrosporus> I don't want to be one of them
20100501 18:22:12< VurtualRuler98> I'm a windows users!
20100501 18:22:15< VurtualRuler98> I'm fine.
20100501 18:23:37< Necrosporus> So why do you argue?
20100501 18:23:59< VurtualRuler98> Because you're worse than the people who call digital piracy incredibly horrid.
20100501 18:24:08< Gambit> Wellllll
20100501 18:24:16 * Gambit won't go there.
20100501 18:24:35< VurtualRuler98> and intensely say that since wesnoth is fun that no game is allowed to be different than wesnoth in functionality.
20100501 18:25:03< VurtualRuler98> If it's better in functionality, but it has one minor thing which in the most negative view can be slightly wrong, screw it, it's horrible.
20100501 18:25:16< VurtualRuler98> Also, someone is wrong on the internet! What, you want me to leave? Then they'll KEEP BEING WRONG!
20100501 18:25:21< Gambit> And if you have to pay for it it must be evil!
20100501 18:25:29< VurtualRuler98> Things like limited installs and rootkits can go screw themselves though.
20100501 18:25:43< Gambit> Or constant connection for single player -_-
20100501 18:25:51< Gambit> Dumbest idea ever.
20100501 18:26:02< Necrosporus> Not true
20100501 18:26:14< Gambit> Okay so whats a dumber idea?
20100501 18:26:22< Necrosporus> Things that you must pay for are not always wrong
20100501 18:26:27< Gambit> Oh that.
20100501 18:26:29< VurtualRuler98> you yourself are acting like that
20100501 18:26:44< Necrosporus> But some sort of it is — proprietary software
20100501 18:26:51 * Rhonda nibbles on Unnheulu. I think I won't say anything anymore if people ignore it anyway. *shrugs*
20100501 18:27:30< VurtualRuler98> That's the first time I've seen /me in this channel.
20100501 18:27:34< VurtualRuler98> aka land of the bland text.
20100501 18:28:03< VurtualRuler98> Anyways while he limits himself to not having fun, mr stop having fun guy, I'll be enjoying tf2.
20100501 18:28:03< Rhonda> There were two /me in the last htree minutes.
20100501 18:28:24< VurtualRuler98> woah
20100501 18:28:33< Rhonda> And Gambit did one 18 minutes ago, too. :)
20100501 18:28:44 * Rhonda thinks VurtualRuler98 is blind
20100501 18:28:58< Necrosporus> VurtualRuler98, is digital piracy something like using pirate galleons with digital navigation system and so one?
20100501 18:29:20< Necrosporus> Or playing some digital game for a pirate?
20100501 18:29:48< VurtualRuler98> no more like trying to force your free software-ism on devs.
20100501 18:29:53< Gambit> Rhonda: We don't ignore you.
20100501 18:29:55< VurtualRuler98> it's free software rape
20100501 18:30:15< Gambit> What you say just leaves us speechless :)
20100501 18:30:40< Necrosporus> you cannot force devs
20100501 18:31:07< Unnheulu> Mm?
20100501 18:31:15< Unnheulu> Rhonda: You bleeped me :(
20100501 18:31:16< Gambit> Software piracy is using someones good/server. THIER HARD WORK, and not paying them for it.
20100501 18:31:29< Necrosporus> Only maybe going to their office with a gun and require them to make their software GPL
20100501 18:31:40< Gambit> Unnheulu: You bleeded half the dev team the other day.
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20100501 18:31:44< Unnheulu> :D
20100501 18:31:46< VurtualRuler98> Pirating and hacking apart stuff.
20100501 18:31:47< Gambit> I'd say you have at least 15 more pranks to go.
20100501 18:31:57< Gambit> *14
20100501 18:32:04< Unnheulu> Fine then, Rhonda bleeped me unnecessarily :(
20100501 18:32:10< Gambit> The guy with the funny name did slap you.
20100501 18:32:17< Unnheulu> Plus s/he wasn't a victim
20100501 18:32:18< VurtualRuler98> Then again I'm very specific in what's right and wrong, and my idea of fashion is a black shirt and baseball cap, and jeans.
20100501 18:32:19 * Gambit doesn't know how to spell funny guy's name and he isn't ehre.
20100501 18:32:31< Gambit> gyrwacz? or something...
20100501 18:32:40< Unnheulu> Earswax?
20100501 18:32:40< VurtualRuler98> Pirating Assassin's Creed 2 is entirely different
20100501 18:32:43< Unnheulu> Yes, him
20100501 18:32:56< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: No.
20100501 18:33:03< Gambit> Buying it legally and then cracking it... maybe.
20100501 18:33:08< Gambit> Outright piracy; no.
20100501 18:33:32< Gambit> gearwax.
20100501 18:34:06< VurtualRuler98> No, screw them. They made that, they're taking the damage.a
20100501 18:34:20< VurtualRuler98> Not one cent of my money is going to these violators of human rights.
20100501 18:34:39< VurtualRuler98> Cruel and unusual punishment, or just downloading a game? Which is a worse offense, Gambit?
20100501 18:34:52< Necrosporus> Cracking software can be fun
20100501 18:35:16< Necrosporus> Maybe it's only benefit from closed source software
20100501 18:35:29< VurtualRuler98> Necrosporus, go play tf2
20100501 18:35:31< VurtualRuler98> or see tf2
20100501 18:35:36< VurtualRuler98> It's not open source, and it's great.
20100501 18:35:37< Necrosporus> What's it?
20100501 18:35:44< VurtualRuler98> it's Team Fortress 2.
20100501 18:35:57< Necrosporus> Would it work on slackware?
20100501 18:36:12< VurtualRuler98> with wine if that exists
20100501 18:36:21< VurtualRuler98> or get a rational friend(if you have one) to let you use their sane computer
20100501 18:36:28< Necrosporus> I don't trust software without published sources
20100501 18:36:43< VurtualRuler98> hahahah
20100501 18:36:45< VurtualRuler98> You're funny.
20100501 18:36:45< Necrosporus> It can hurt
20100501 18:36:54< VurtualRuler98> sissy
20100501 18:37:05< VurtualRuler98> Anyways, some of TF2's charm might rub off on you if you watch the meet the team videos
20100501 18:37:18< Necrosporus> If sources is not published, it means, publishers doesn't trust users
20100501 18:37:26< VurtualRuler98> pffft
20100501 18:37:31< VurtualRuler98> You're a real riot huh bub
20100501 18:37:34< VurtualRuler98> http://www.teamfortress.com/movies.htm leaaarn
20100501 18:37:45< Necrosporus> If them doesn't trust me, I would not trust them
20100501 18:37:46< Gambit> Necrosporus: No. It means they'd like to make sure they have a job in a few months.
20100501 18:38:28< VurtualRuler98> The actual gameplay is basically team-based fps fun
20100501 18:38:41< Gambit> Why buy this cool new game?
20100501 18:38:45< Gambit> Just go download it!
20100501 18:38:57< Necrosporus> Publishers doesn't trust users to see the source
20100501 18:39:04< VurtualRuler98> is this highlander?
20100501 18:39:10< Necrosporus> Does they?
20100501 18:39:22< Necrosporus> * to let them
20100501 18:39:34< Necrosporus> It's different matter then free software
20100501 18:39:38< Necrosporus> But close
20100501 18:39:50< VurtualRuler98> Every class is incredibly distinct in weaponry, gameplay, use, and style. They're the ultimate ragtag bunch of misfits from all over the world, specialists at what they do.
20100501 18:40:08< Necrosporus> I don't want fps
20100501 18:40:28< Necrosporus> Also there was some fps with humans vs aliens
20100501 18:40:44< Necrosporus> I can't remember it's name, but it was free software
20100501 18:40:51< VurtualRuler98> I remember it a bit
20100501 18:40:54< VurtualRuler98> it sucked
20100501 18:40:54< Gambit> You don't like FPS's because you've only had the crappy FPS ones.
20100501 18:41:01< Gambit> *crappy OS ones
20100501 18:41:11< Gambit> lowercase os?
20100501 18:41:11< Necrosporus> I have uninstalled it becase there was no campaings
20100501 18:41:16< VurtualRuler98> You can take the red pill, and see how deep the tf industries go
20100501 18:41:25< VurtualRuler98> or you can take the blue pill, and believe whatever you want to believe
20100501 18:41:50< Necrosporus> I'm not interested
20100501 18:41:56< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: http://www.lolblog.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/heqzz.jpg
20100501 18:42:09< Necrosporus> There is many fun things besides your tf
20100501 18:42:18< VurtualRuler98> I perscribe the red pill
20100501 18:42:20< Gambit> Like SWBF
20100501 18:42:23< VurtualRuler98> http://www.teamfortress.com/sniper.htm
20100501 18:42:34< zookeeper> all free fps games suck
20100501 18:42:43< VurtualRuler98> quake live
20100501 18:42:45< Necrosporus> Even Quake3?
20100501 18:42:48< Gambit> Saurbraten was decent, but only for it's map editor.
20100501 18:43:01< zookeeper> quake3 was fun a bit over 10 years ago, not anymore
20100501 18:43:10< VurtualRuler98> It's still fun
20100501 18:43:14< VurtualRuler98> and sauerbraten is suck for suck
20100501 18:43:26< Necrosporus> Sauerbraten's campaign is too short and boring
20100501 18:43:27< zookeeper> sauerbraten didn't work, nexuiz wasn't fun, and then there was some third one with cell-shaded graphics which was just a quake clone too
20100501 18:43:31< Necrosporus> And AI sucks
20100501 18:44:03< Gambit> They redid the Saeurbraten AI. It's much better.
20100501 18:44:03< VurtualRuler98> They got more fBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP than they got the likes of tf.
20100501 18:44:03< zookeeper> and who the heck wants to _only_ play CTF and some generic arena deathmatch. good grief :x
20100501 18:44:13< Gambit> Unfortunately "much better" means "always aim for the head"
20100501 18:44:33< Gambit> well not headshots
20100501 18:44:36< Gambit> but "always aim perfectly"
20100501 18:44:47< VurtualRuler98> aaiiimbots
20100501 18:46:14< Necrosporus> Call of Duty 1 was fun, but only because it is for WW II, not because it is proprietary
20100501 18:46:55< zookeeper> i only liked it because of its proprietaryness
20100501 18:47:06< zookeeper> otherwise it sucked, but that part was totally spot on.
20100501 18:47:11< VurtualRuler98> Yeah man imagine if it had been identical but not proprietary.
20100501 18:47:15< VurtualRuler98> That would have been horrible guys.
20100501 18:47:18< Necrosporus> There is no free software games about ww ii
20100501 18:47:44 * Unnheulu goes and codes a wwii quiz
20100501 18:47:49< Unnheulu> Then there will be :P
20100501 18:47:57< Necrosporus> Maybe if it was non proprietary, it would be better
20100501 18:48:05< VurtualRuler98> not really
20100501 18:48:08< VurtualRuler98> anyways meet the spy is funny
20100501 18:48:11< Necrosporus> With more campaigns and so on
20100501 18:48:38< Necrosporus> But I dunno
20100501 18:49:07< Necrosporus> Try to compare Warzone 2100 and its proprietary predecessor
20100501 18:49:10< VurtualRuler98> red spy is in the base Necrosporus
20100501 18:49:15< Necrosporus> What's better?
20100501 18:50:23< Necrosporus> Which spy?
20100501 18:50:27< VurtualRuler98> red spy
20100501 18:50:33< VurtualRuler98> the red kind
20100501 18:50:38< VurtualRuler98> it's like the blu kind, but it's red.
20100501 18:50:47< Necrosporus> Which red kind?
20100501 18:50:58< Unnheulu> Ok...this is weird
20100501 18:51:01< Necrosporus> I don't know what are you talking about
20100501 18:51:05< Unnheulu> I'm coding a %^&*() C++ game...
20100501 18:51:13< Unnheulu> I hate C++...
20100501 18:51:40< Necrosporus> Why not to use perl instead?
20100501 18:51:52< Unnheulu> X-Moto is written in C++ ;)
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20100501 18:52:00< Necrosporus> or lisp
20100501 18:52:07< Unnheulu> I'm not sure if I'd be too popular with the devs ordering them to port the whole codebase
20100501 18:52:33< zookeeper> i'd like a MMO x-moto
20100501 18:53:00< Unnheulu> A MMO motocross game?
20100501 18:53:03< Unnheulu> :/
20100501 18:53:12< zookeeper> why not?
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20100501 18:54:55< Unnheulu> I don't even know how that would work^^
20100501 18:55:00< Necrosporus> I would like MMO Konquest
20100501 18:55:13 * Unnheulu is trying to imagine it
20100501 18:55:18< Necrosporus> Simple turn based strategy
20100501 18:55:24< zookeeper> Unnheulu, well, that's a good question
20100501 18:55:34< Necrosporus> Pretty fun, but its AI is too weak for me
20100501 18:56:26< Gambit|Laptop> It's not free enough either.
20100501 18:56:32< Gambit|Laptop> The AI should announce it's moves publicly.
20100501 18:56:44< Gambit|Laptop> It clearly doesn't trust us.
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20100501 18:57:39< Gambit|Laptop> And no. I am not going to look at it's moves first to see whether or not I like them.
20100501 18:57:47< Gambit|Laptop> It should announce it's moves and what it's thinking ahead of time.
20100501 19:03:23< VurtualRuler98> Also war should go away right
20100501 19:03:32< VurtualRuler98> we should jsut be peaceful why can't we just do that, do that right now
20100501 19:05:14< Gambit> Nobody would possibly exploit that knowledge to the AI's disadvantage.
20100501 19:05:51< VurtualRuler98> http://xkcd.com/592/
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20100501 19:12:12< Gambit> oops
20100501 19:12:58< VurtualRuler98> You know have green hill zone stuck in your head.
20100501 19:16:27< Gambit> So apparently closing the lid disconnects the internet.
20100501 19:16:53< Gambit> I guess I should have seen that coming XD
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20100501 19:17:59< Gambit> It also hides the cursor whne you turn it back on
20100501 19:18:04< Gambit> strange behavior is strange
20100501 19:18:16< Zerovirus> Hey guys. Whatcha talking about?
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20100501 19:18:45< Gambit> Pears
20100501 19:18:50< PetePorty> hihi
20100501 19:18:51< Gambit> They're such an odd fruit.
20100501 19:19:27< shadowmaster> what's wrong with pears?
20100501 19:19:27< Zerovirus> >.<
20100501 19:19:32< Zerovirus> Gambit whut.
20100501 19:19:37< Zerovirus> I've always found pears weird myself.
20100501 19:19:38< PetePorty> I hate pears
20100501 19:19:42< shadowmaster> I've just had a bunch of pear juice
20100501 19:19:44< Zerovirus> They have a very strange consistency and taste.
20100501 19:19:44< shadowmaster> delicious
20100501 19:19:52< Zerovirus> And yet I find myself eating them.
20100501 19:19:53 * Gambit wonders how to get his cursor to display again
20100501 19:19:55< PetePorty> yeah... the juice is good
20100501 19:19:59< Zerovirus> Feed it a pear.
20100501 19:20:01< PetePorty> but the fruit isn't
20100501 19:20:02< Gambit> shadowmaster: You're kidding right?
20100501 19:20:06< Gambit> I was just drinking pear juice :o
20100501 19:20:07< Zerovirus> So you don't like the texture of the fruit?
20100501 19:20:07< shadowmaster> Gambit: no, I'm not.
20100501 19:20:15< Zerovirus> Wow we're all eating pears today :s
20100501 19:20:18< shadowmaster> mom just made some
20100501 19:20:35< PetePorty> oh... I drink bought juice....
20100501 19:20:40< Gambit> sevis: Save me!
20100501 19:20:54< Gambit> I managed to change the "cursor theme" via keyboard but that didn't bring it back :(
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20100501 19:21:01< PetePorty> shadowmaster... I miss shikadibot....
20100501 19:21:17< shadowmaster> she's still around if you know where to look for her.
20100501 19:21:24< PetePorty> in dev?
20100501 19:21:39< shadowmaster> no, everywhere
20100501 19:21:45< PetePorty> O.o
20100501 19:21:48< Gambit> :)
20100501 19:21:48< Zerovirus> Big Sister is watching you
20100501 19:22:07< Gambit> shadowmaster: I don't suppose you know why my cursor is hidden on my kubuntu laptop?
20100501 19:22:08< PetePorty> I found her!
20100501 19:22:13 * Gambit needs help :(
20100501 19:22:26< shadowmaster> Gambit: do I look like an oracle or something?
20100501 19:22:35< Gambit> Yes
20100501 19:22:42< PetePorty> lol
20100501 19:22:44< Gambit> You know everything about everything!
20100501 19:22:49< shadowmaster> ask for help in #ubuntu or something
20100501 19:22:57< Zerovirus> Time to frankenstein SM's face onto a Saurian Oracle :D
20100501 19:23:01< Unnheulu> Ah draddit
20100501 19:23:02< PetePorty> or ask shikadibot
20100501 19:23:08< Unnheulu> I hatez C++
20100501 19:24:16< PetePorty> why isn't shikadibot in "#wesnoth?" ?
20100501 19:24:48< VurtualRuler98> Because people abused it I guess
20100501 19:24:48< shadowmaster> because I told her to leave
20100501 19:24:57< PetePorty> O.o need to do a stupid biology thing....
20100501 19:25:03< PetePorty> owww...
20100501 19:25:06< PetePorty> but... why?
20100501 19:25:07< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: do get a variable from a class in C++ is it x::variable?
20100501 19:25:08< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: abused *her*
20100501 19:25:11< Unnheulu> or x->variable?
20100501 19:25:20< VurtualRuler98> But that sounds dirty!
20100501 19:25:24< PetePorty> lol
20100501 19:25:27< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: depends
20100501 19:25:33 * Zerovirus imagines spriting Gambit giving Shikadi a bitchslap and saying "Where's mah money?"
20100501 19:25:43 * Unnheulu knew it wouldn't be that simple
20100501 19:25:46< shadowmaster> is the variable static? you are accessing it from a instance's pointer? etc.
20100501 19:26:22< shadowmaster> as I said before, you'll need to study the language alone for a while if you want to learn it
20100501 19:26:22< Gambit> I aint nobody's fella.
20100501 19:26:26< Gambit> I'm her pimp.
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20100501 19:26:37< PetePorty> O.o
20100501 19:26:44< PetePorty> shit... my aunt is here....
20100501 19:26:49< PetePorty> bye guys, c ya
20100501 19:26:50 * Unnheulu will look at how its been done before
20100501 19:26:52< Unnheulu> Bye
20100501 19:27:05< Unnheulu> PetePorty: btw, if you come back later I have a better screeny for you to see
20100501 19:27:19< Zerovirus> Screenies?
20100501 19:27:32 * Zerovirus is somewhat curious despite knowing that he will be disappointed once he sees :P
20100501 19:27:33< Unnheulu> screenshot
20100501 19:27:39< Unnheulu> I havn't taken it yet :P
20100501 19:27:47< Unnheulu> And I need to comment loads to stop bugs
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20100501 19:30:50< Zerovirus> Well if you ever get something notable up maybe I could help with graphics. I've always wanted to be something like an art director :P
20100501 19:31:10 * Zerovirus reserves all rights to change definition of 'notable' :P
20100501 19:51:49< Rhonda> Gambit: Why does it leave you speechless? I layed out the reason for the split and it adds to the flexibility that the users wish.
20100501 19:52:18-!- shadowmaster is now known as kuchen
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20100501 19:56:44< Gambit> Rhonda: It was so well worded.
20100501 19:56:47< Gambit> And convincing.
20100501 19:56:52< Gambit> There was no possible response :)
20100501 19:57:57 * Rhonda feels being taken on a ride.
20100501 19:58:00< shadowmaster> that proves that she's the packager and knows what she does.
20100501 19:58:31< Rhonda> That on the other hand sounds honestly. :)
20100501 20:02:34< Gambit> now... whada do about the cursor.
20100501 20:03:07< Rhonda> What's with the cursor?
20100501 20:03:07 * Gambit hopes he won't have to restart after every time he closes the lid :\
20100501 20:03:20< Gambit> Rhonda: When I came back from sleep on Kubuntu the cursor was gone.
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20100501 20:03:27< Gambit> The mouse still works, I just can't see it.
20100501 20:03:35< Rhonda> Ouch.
20100501 20:03:44< shadowmaster> maybe you got a broken ddx, try restarting X
20100501 20:03:53< Gambit> eh?
20100501 20:04:12< shadowmaster> yeah, well, I had something like that with radeonhd from time to time
20100501 20:04:28< Rhonda> Disable the coloured cursor.
20100501 20:04:31< Gambit> I managed to change the "cursor theme" via keyboard + invisible mouse but that didn't do it.
20100501 20:04:42< shadowmaster> wait, are we talking about Wesnoth or X in general?
20100501 20:05:06< Gambit> the whole deal
20100501 20:05:18< shadowmaster> restart X then?
20100501 20:05:32< Gambit> How do I do that? :$
20100501 20:05:35 * Gambit is linux noob.
20100501 20:05:37< shadowmaster> logout, login again?
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20100501 20:05:51< Rhonda> potentially ctrl-alt-del isn't disabled?
20100501 20:05:57< Rhonda> erm
20100501 20:06:00< Rhonda> ctrl-alt-backspace rather
20100501 20:06:28< shadowmaster> I have a Kubuntu version were it's disabled by default
20100501 20:06:46< Gambit> What's that?
20100501 20:07:11< Rhonda> the keysequence to quit the graphical server
20100501 20:07:27< Rhonda> ctrl-alt-f1, login there and do a sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
20100501 20:07:49< sevis> Gambit: I think Kubuntu doesn't use hal, so you'd set it in xorg.conf.
20100501 20:08:08< shadowmaster> sevis: don't!
20100501 20:08:13< shadowmaster> you'll burn his brain speaking like that!
20100501 20:08:23< sevis> Wait, what? O_o
20100501 20:08:43< shadowmaster> I don't think he even knows what xorg.conf has to do with the graphics server
20100501 20:08:54< sevis> So let's explain it to him?
20100501 20:08:57< Gambit> erm
20100501 20:09:01< Gambit> Rhonda...
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20100501 20:09:11< Gambit> everything is gone now :s
20100501 20:09:11< Rhonda> Gambit...
20100501 20:09:21< Gambit> *internet
20100501 20:09:23< Gambit> nvm.
20100501 20:09:23< Rhonda> That's the spirit"
20100501 20:09:25< Gambit> Not everything.
20100501 20:09:30< shadowmaster> Gambit: so go to step 2 now?
20100501 20:09:52< Gambit> nevermind it was just my imagination
20100501 20:09:52< Rhonda> With kdm restart you should be able to log in again.
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20100501 20:10:31< Rhonda> <@NewdleBot> Gambit, the level 25 WMLGuru, is now online from nickname Gambit|Laptop.
20100501 20:10:35< Rhonda> ahah!
20100501 20:10:40< Gambit> Yeah I'm losing massive time on there
20100501 20:10:44 * Gambit takes that off the laptop
20100501 20:11:46< Gambit> So anyway to fix the cursor for good?
20100501 20:12:19< shadowmaster> Gambit: isn't it working again?
20100501 20:12:33< Gambit> I have a feeling it will stop working as soon as I close the lid and reopen it.
20100501 20:12:40< Gambit> Which is an important function of a laptop :)
20100501 20:12:47< shadowmaster> try it again?
20100501 20:12:55< shadowmaster> I'd blame the display driver, really.
20100501 20:13:15< Gambit> Why?
20100501 20:13:18< Gambit> Everything else is fine.
20100501 20:13:44< Gambit> Interesting.
20100501 20:13:53< Gambit> I just tapped that little button that lets the laptop know when the lid shuts.
20100501 20:13:58< Gambit> And the cursor dissappeared instantly.
20100501 20:14:25< Gambit> everything else was fine before it went black.
20100501 20:14:30< sevis> Gambit, does pressing ctrl+alt+f1, then alt+f7 fix it?
20100501 20:15:25< shadowmaster> "everything else is fine" is irrelevant
20100501 20:16:16< Gambit> sevis: Yes o_O
20100501 20:16:25< Gambit> What's that do though?
20100501 20:16:50< sevis> Gambit: I had the same problem when setting the refresh rate of my monitor, although it somehow fixed itself with time.
20100501 20:16:58< sevis> That switches to a terminal, then switches back.
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20100501 20:17:29< sevis> It probably triggers one or another built-in of X.
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20100501 20:18:00< sevis> (could be anything, though)
20100501 20:18:21< Gambit> Does nickserv get suspicious of a ton of logins in such and such a time?
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20100501 20:18:38< shadowmaster> Gambit: no
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20100501 20:19:14< Gambit> Okay that's good.
20100501 20:19:21< Gambit> Should be okay now though.
20100501 20:23:33< shadowmaster> what display drive is it btw?
20100501 20:23:48< Gambit> uhhhh
20100501 20:24:09< Gambit> where would I check that at?
20100501 20:24:22< shadowmaster> sudo fgrep 'modules/drivers' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
20100501 20:24:39< shadowmaster> there's probably an easier way with a GUI but I don't know
20100501 20:25:41< Gambit> ati_drv radeon_drv vesa_drv and fbdev_drv
20100501 20:26:08< shadowmaster> pastebin the whole file.
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20100501 20:27:24 * Unnheulu finds it hard to not press "shift" whilst compiling stuff
20100501 20:27:35< Unnheulu> I really need to get a life
20100501 20:27:37< shadowmaster> shift won't help with anything
20100501 20:27:47< Unnheulu> ofc it won't ;)
20100501 20:28:01< shadowmaster> weirdo
20100501 20:28:05< Unnheulu> Indeed
20100501 20:28:55< Gambit> What whole files?
20100501 20:29:07< shadowmaster> Gambit: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
20100501 20:30:26< Gambit> thats a big file
20100501 20:30:41< shadowmaster> yes, it is, pastebin it.
20100501 20:31:02< sevis> Gambit: There are some tools to automatically paste things. Try 'sudo apt-get install wgetpaste'.
20100501 20:32:15< Gambit|Laptop> shadowmaster: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/dSzViXRz
20100501 20:32:52< shadowmaster> aha, it's using radeon
20100501 20:33:01< shadowmaster> no, never had such a problem with radeon, only with radeonhd
20100501 20:33:48< Unnheulu> Compiling again :/
20100501 20:33:58< Gambit> Unnheulu: Get upthorn_persistence
20100501 20:33:59< Unnheulu> How many bugs can I make in a day?
20100501 20:34:09< Gambit> :@
20100501 20:34:14< Unnheulu> Gambit: I'm not coding wesnoth
20100501 20:35:26< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: what does all the nonsense make blurts out actually mean? :P
20100501 20:35:39< Unnheulu> Is it *actually* that useful^^
20100501 20:35:41< shadowmaster> it is not nonsense.
20100501 20:36:10< Unnheulu> It's just very incomprehensible
20100501 20:36:23< shadowmaster> you are most likely seeing the command line used to compile every single file. That's actually useful for people reporting compile-time bugs and developers working on the build recipes
20100501 20:36:34< shadowmaster> *and for
20100501 20:36:56< Unnheulu> The developers understand it? :O
20100501 20:37:39< shadowmaster> anyone who can read the compiler's documentation on the most basic command line switches acn understand the command line
20100501 20:38:05< shadowmaster> and anyone who wants to write C or C++ should be able to read such documentation for the C and C++ compilers
20100501 20:38:18< Unnheulu> You love making me feel ignorant don't you?^^
20100501 20:38:27< shadowmaster> unless you are a Visual Studio parasit.
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20100501 20:39:05< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: Have you found the signal for when an image is dragged onto a window yet?
20100501 20:39:15< Unnheulu> I think I told you it yesterday
20100501 20:39:30< shadowmaster> I've not worked with PyGtk, and yes, I read a bunch of hilights from you as usual
20100501 20:39:45< Unnheulu> Don't bother reading most of my hilights
20100501 20:39:52< Unnheulu> They waste your time :P
20100501 20:40:04< shadowmaster> I suppose I should ignore you right now then?
20100501 20:40:11< Unnheulu> Aww
20100501 20:40:41< Unnheulu> If you no longer want to work with PyGTK, I'll code it for you? ;)
20100501 20:41:00< shadowmaster> I never implied or asserted such a thing.
20100501 20:41:21< Unnheulu> Ok
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20100501 20:57:16< Gambit> Well I was close to spelling it right.
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20100501 21:15:47< Unnheulu> I <3 having two monitors
20100501 21:15:56< Unnheulu> It means I can happily grep in one whilst coding in the other
20100501 21:16:29< Unnheulu> Seems I needed :: and ->
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20100501 21:29:25< Issyl> Hello.
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20100501 22:01:57< Gambit|Laptop> Issyl: Hi.
20100501 22:02:07< Gambit|Laptop> Half hour response time XD
20100501 22:02:24< Unnheulu> Hi
20100501 22:02:37< Gambit|Laptop> ugh Konqueror is so slow
20100501 22:02:58< Unnheulu> I thought it was the fastest web browser around^^
20100501 22:03:45< Gambit|Laptop> Whoever told you that is obviously personally attached the project.
20100501 22:05:33< sevis> Gambit|Laptop: Why not use Firefox or Chromium?
20100501 22:06:00< Gambit|Laptop> sevis: I just got kubuntu reinstalled this morning. Haven't had time to get non-default things.
20100501 22:06:09< sevis> Ah, okay.
20100501 22:06:16< Unnheulu> Gambit: Use XUbuntu
20100501 22:06:21< Gambit|Laptop> Except for the wireless driver and wesnoth which I'm getting right now.
20100501 22:06:26< Gambit|Laptop> Unnheulu: too slow
20100501 22:06:36< Gambit|Laptop> It takes longer to boot than vista.
20100501 22:06:38< Unnheulu> Wait...wha?
20100501 22:06:39< Gambit|Laptop> Which is... bad.
20100501 22:06:40< Unnheulu> Slow????
20100501 22:06:43< Gambit|Laptop> Yeah.
20100501 22:06:43< Unnheulu> This is XFCE!
20100501 22:06:57 * Unnheulu finds it ironic that KDE is the fastest
20100501 22:07:14< Gambit|Laptop> I was using Xubuntu before sevis recommended kubuntu.
20100501 22:07:14 * sevis pats his XMonad.
20100501 22:08:05< sevis> The fastest, you say? :P
20100501 22:08:50< sevis> Gah, rhetorical question, sorry.
20100501 22:08:57< sevis> And general figurative speech.
20100501 22:09:09< Unnheulu> Hopefully this'll be the last time I compile
20100501 22:09:12< Unnheulu> I'm sick of it
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20100501 22:10:37< Gambit|Laptop> Would it be weird to have someone elses name in your highlight list so that it alerts you when they get on?
20100501 22:10:44< Gambit|Laptop> weird/stalkery :P
20100501 22:11:04< sevis> No, wouldn't say so.
20100501 22:13:59< sevis> But, anyway, I'm off, g'night everyone.
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20100501 22:14:51< Gambit|Laptop> sevis: bye
20100501 22:16:50< Unnheulu> Bye
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20100501 22:33:59< Gambit|Laptop> another silly linux question; on ubuntu and xubuntu I had the option of opening the terminal from a folder.
20100501 22:34:24< Gambit|Laptop> it doesn't look like that's here, but I'm guessing there's a command to get the terminal to go there
20100501 22:34:36< Gambit|Laptop> What'd that be?
20100501 22:34:38< Unnheulu> cd 
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20100501 22:34:49< Gambit|Laptop> Unnheulu: thanks
20100501 22:34:50< Unnheulu> Like cd ~/Desktop
20100501 22:35:56 * Gambit|Laptop is compiling wesnoth
20100501 22:36:16< Unnheulu> Cool
20100501 22:36:25< Unnheulu> I'm compiling XMoto, and hoping I have no bugs
20100501 22:37:23< Gambit|Laptop> Whoa! It's freaking fast o_O
20100501 22:37:56< Gambit|Laptop> wait nvm...
20100501 22:38:06< Gambit|Laptop> it's just displaying more messages XD
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20100501 22:44:26< Unnheulu> Omgosh
20100501 22:44:35< Unnheulu> I made a patch for a game...in C++
20100501 22:44:41< Gambit> Compiling wesnoth takes all the juice the lappy has. :\
20100501 22:44:56< Gambit> Unnheulu: Nice!
20100501 22:45:10< Gambit> Next up: make a game from scratch in C++ 8)
20100501 22:47:12< Unnheulu> Hehe
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20100501 22:55:54< alestan1> So I have a quick question:  Is there any plan to add true ranged attacks into wesnoth?  
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20100501 22:59:17< Issyl> what do you mean
20100501 22:59:44< Issyl> Like attacks that can go across multiple hexes? No.  The dev team has explicitly stated that is not going to be part of the game
20100501 22:59:54< Issyl> I agree, it kind of defeats both the strategy and the style of Wesnoth
20100501 23:00:10< Issyl> some add-ons, like that world conqueror one have such attacks though
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20100501 23:17:06< Gambit> Issyl: It was there at one point.
20100501 23:17:24< Issyl> wat
20100501 23:17:26< Issyl> seriously?
20100501 23:17:29< Gambit> Yes.
20100501 23:17:33< Gambit> And I think it needs to be added back.
20100501 23:17:34< Issyl> I've played every stable relase
20100501 23:17:35< Issyl> release
20100501 23:17:38< Gambit> Even if default doesn't use it.
20100501 23:17:42< Gambit> The engine should have it.
20100501 23:17:43< Issyl> and I don't remember multi-hex ranged units
20100501 23:17:52< Issyl> Oh yeah, you can do it with the engine even NOW.
20100501 23:17:57< Gambit> With WML.
20100501 23:18:07< Issyl> Yeah, that's how the add-ons do it
20100501 23:18:09< Gambit> It needs to be added back to the hardcoded side of things.
20100501 23:18:11< Gambit> How it was before.
20100501 23:18:15< Issyl> oh, idk
20100501 23:18:26< Issyl> but there's never been the ability to have "Ranged" attacks in DEFAULT
20100501 23:18:33< Issyl> I'm pretty damn sure
20100501 23:18:34< Gambit> RIPLIB should apply to the engine.
20100501 23:18:46< Issyl> because I've played every stable release since like
20100501 23:18:47< Issyl> 1/2
20100501 23:18:49< Issyl> 1.2*
20100501 23:19:02< Gambit> Issyl: There were only like 3 units that had it.
20100501 23:19:05< Gambit> All special for campaigns.
20100501 23:19:14< Gambit> But that's beside the point.
20100501 23:19:14< Issyl> Really? What?
20100501 23:19:24< Issyl> I mean, I understand you CAN do it
20100501 23:19:31< Gambit> The engine *could* do it before easily just by adding a number to the unit's definition.
20100501 23:19:41< Issyl> but that's dumb
20100501 23:19:45< Gambit> Now it requires a ton of hacky WML and it looks terrible.
20100501 23:19:49< Issyl> why would you add another stat when it won't apply to default
20100501 23:19:56< Issyl> that would just confuse people
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20100501 23:20:13< Gambit> Yes people are way too dumb for such things.
20100501 23:20:16< Issyl> I think it's fine just having it as an optional WML
20100501 23:20:18< Gambit> Whats why none of them play any UMCs.
20100501 23:20:19< Gambit> :)
20100501 23:20:57< Gambit> "Reduction in power when leveling is bad" should apply to game updates.
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20100501 23:21:32< Blueblaze> lets all play the PS3!
20100501 23:21:37< Blueblaze> whose got one?
20100501 23:21:40< Issyl> I dunno, I think simplification is better
20100501 23:21:54< Issyl> especially when such an ability wouldn't apply to the default eras and campaigns ;/
20100501 23:22:01< Gambit> Issyl: They can simplify without removing features ;)
20100501 23:22:13< Gambit> People often mistake idea proposals for proposals for default.
20100501 23:22:25< Issyl> well you can already do it
20100501 23:22:26< Gambit> We can ask for game features without requiring them to be used by default.
20100501 23:22:31< Issyl> what would be the difference
20100501 23:22:35< Issyl> besides how it's coded
20100501 23:22:45< Gambit> Issyl: Have you tried the WML versions?
20100501 23:22:51< Issyl> no
20100501 23:22:53< Issyl> I am not a coder
20100501 23:22:55< Gambit> They only half work.
20100501 23:22:59< Gambit> And they look terrible.
20100501 23:23:31< Issyl> Welp, it's a free game, so apparently the dev team has decided against such
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20100501 23:24:40< Gambit> It's [supposedly] going to be in the fork. Hopefully it will be ported to regular wesnoth once the code is there and working.
20100501 23:25:11< Gambit> There are plenty of game features not used at all by mainline/default.
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20100501 23:29:12< Gambit> Heh it froze while compiling wesnoth.
20100501 23:29:17< Gambit> The clock stopped at 5:15.
20100501 23:29:33< Gambit> I'm at 100% processor, ram, and swap space...
20100501 23:29:43< Issyl> Intense.
20100501 23:29:43< Gambit> Darn :\
20100501 23:30:23< Gambit> Guess I should hard reset :(
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20100501 23:32:31< Gambit> heh I wonder if it can reboot and beat the ping timeout (if that's even possible)
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20100501 23:33:32< Gambit> Awww wth.
20100501 23:33:45< Gambit> What's "connection reset by peer"? :(
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20100501 23:34:07< Gambit> Only needed 14 more seconds :(
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20100501 23:35:15 * Gambit builds wesnoth with gui off this time.
20100501 23:36:10< Blarumyrran> And what, you move units like "120,100 to 124,99"? :P
20100501 23:36:53< Issyl> Disconnected, Gambit
20100501 23:37:01< Issyl> i.e. the wireless probably went out
20100501 23:37:03< Issyl> on your laptop
20100501 23:37:07< Issyl> for a second
20100501 23:37:39< Unnheulu> Could be shortened to one line
20100501 23:40:57< Gambit> Blarumyrran: I mean I switch to console mode to compile.
20100501 23:41:12< Blarumyrran> That's boring
20100501 23:41:20< Gambit> boring = less resources
20100501 23:41:36< Blarumyrran> boring = no command line wesnoth
20100501 23:41:44< Unnheulu> How wereyou compiling before?
20100501 23:41:51< Issyl> urmawmis boring lololol
20100501 23:41:52< Blarumyrran> "write dir to see a listing of units on the map"
20100501 23:41:53< Gambit> desktop mode
20100501 23:42:00< Blarumyrran> or ls or whatever
20100501 23:42:06< Gambit> Unnheulu: ^^
20100501 23:42:23< Gambit> At least I guess console mode will have more resources available
20100501 23:42:45< Unnheulu> Oh
20100501 23:42:51< Unnheulu> Ctrl alt f1?
20100501 23:42:56< Gambit> yeah.
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