--- Log opened Sun May 02 00:00:35 2010
20100502 00:10:04< Gambit> Whoa it finished in a half hour.
20100502 00:10:07< Gambit> Console mode ftw.
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20100502 00:16:26< Gambit> Whats the linux equivilant of the processes tab on windows task manager?
20100502 00:17:26< Gambit> nvm :$
20100502 00:21:33< elias> i just click on that moving graph button on the taskbar
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20100502 00:34:41< Gambit> hmmm system monitor > windows task manager.
20100502 00:34:44< Gambit> What gives there :s
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20100502 00:34:57< Gambit> Magic I bet.
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20100502 00:36:38< Valkier> So who's alive?
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20100502 00:37:50< Gambit> A better question would be, who's undead?
20100502 00:38:13< Valkier> Sounds a little too existential to me.
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20100502 00:39:59< Peter13> hi
20100502 00:40:05< Valkier> Howdy
20100502 00:40:11< Peter13> Hello
20100502 00:40:25< Valkier> Well I was gonna try to get a conversation of some sort in here while I was drawing, but that doesn't seem to be possible.
20100502 00:40:38< Peter13> I need someone who knows the most about Wesnoth
20100502 00:41:01< Valkier> What do you need?
20100502 00:41:13< Peter13> well I made this map
20100502 00:41:40< Peter13> Its called "The Battle of Petreoshe Hills"
20100502 00:42:21< Peter13> and I need someone to beat me on this map
20100502 00:42:42< Peter13> Because if they beat me, they can easily beat my brother
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20100502 00:43:27< Peter13> anyone?
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20100502 00:44:43< Peter13> 30 seconds to leaving
20100502 00:45:00< Peter13> 15 seconds
20100502 00:45:07< Peter13> 10 seconds
20100502 00:45:12< Peter13> 5 seconds
20100502 00:45:19< Peter13> ok thats it im leaving
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20100502 01:15:34< cph> phew, all done - I've restored my campaign for 1.8.0 and uploaded it.
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20100502 03:18:52< SpoOkyMagician> hmm...
20100502 03:19:31< SpoOkyMagician> so, my ANL patch was denied?
20100502 03:20:35< SpoOkyMagician> oh well...
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20100502 04:01:58< King_Elendil> Dude, today I got a new iPod touch, and it is totally sweet :D
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20100502 04:03:38< Issyl> pft
20100502 04:03:54< Issyl> I personally think Apple is way overpriced for what it does
20100502 04:04:06< Issyl> pretty much all their products
20100502 04:04:31< King_Elendil> Well, it was for my b-day, so the price was outstanding on my part :p
20100502 04:04:38< Issyl> oh okay then :3
20100502 04:06:47< Gambit> People really need to get their facts straight on this ps3 other OS thing.
20100502 04:06:49< Gambit> I blame bloggers.
20100502 04:07:38< Gambit> They repost each other's "news" stories at the speed of light.
20100502 04:07:46< Gambit> With no regard for actual facts.
20100502 04:08:13< VurtualRuler98> That's the danger of such an active news source.
20100502 04:08:43< VurtualRuler98> it's like that phone-game where people constantly say what they just heard, resulting in every person getting potentially a tiny detail wrong, until something hillariously different comes out.
20100502 04:09:10< Blarumyrran> It's not like blogs are the place you'd expect to find facts from anyway
20100502 04:09:30< Gambit> Blarumyrran: True. But google search "ps3 other OS" and most of the front page results will be blogs.
20100502 04:09:43< Gambit> or any recent news story.
20100502 04:09:44< VurtualRuler98> Blogs start it all.
20100502 04:10:18< VurtualRuler98> Blogs are the power source of the internet.
20100502 04:10:40< VurtualRuler98> Like some kind of anti-matrix where you know more and are less oppressed and coppertop'd by being in it.
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20100502 04:12:23< Gambit> And Tonepoet writes an essay about it 4/5 links are to blogs.
20100502 04:12:51< Gambit> 2/5's facts/figures are out dated for over half a year now.
20100502 04:13:05< Blarumyrran> I think Tonepoet was a silly person anyway
20100502 04:13:09< Blarumyrran> I can't remember why
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20100502 04:13:54< Kimg_Elen> hey, this is my iPod
20100502 04:14:22< Gambit> replace those 5's with 6's.
20100502 04:14:27< Gambit> There was a tiny link I didn't even see.
20100502 04:14:57< Kimg_Elen> /Nick King_Elendil-iPod
20100502 04:16:05< Gambit> When I first read about some guy cracking the ps3 and getting access to it's memory my first thought was "oh my god. sony better do something about this". If they have to block linux enabled ps3s to keep out hackers, crackers, modders, cheaters, and the rest of the ilk; so be it.
20100502 04:16:17< Kimg_Elen> /nick King_Elendil-iPod
20100502 04:16:20< Blarumyrran> VurtualRuler98, you are less opressed by being in the matrix
20100502 04:16:31< Gambit> Kimg_Elen: lol
20100502 04:17:20< VurtualRuler98> no that's only for the anti-matrix
20100502 04:17:27< Blarumyrran> hum
20100502 04:17:38< Kimg_Elen> /nick Elendil_iPod
20100502 04:18:04< Kimg_Elen> why won't this work?
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20100502 04:19:43< Blarumyrran> VurtualRuler98, in the matrix, you have sky and proper food and drink, and nature and whatnot; outside it, you're opressed by terrible living conditions, no sky, evil robot squids, etc
20100502 04:20:00< Kimg_Elen> testing 
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20100502 04:21:22< Gambit> Elendil_i: OHHAI
20100502 04:21:49< VurtualRuler98> Yeah but I'm a battery
20100502 04:21:54< King_Elendil> lol, it won't take more than 8 characters :/
20100502 04:22:03< VurtualRuler98> On the other hand, you DO get do defy the laws of physics.
20100502 04:22:15< VurtualRuler98> Then again you're in an infinite loop of unending despair.
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20100502 04:22:23< Blarumyrran> VurtualRuler98, you could as well say it's worse to live in US than kongo because in US you are a battery of tax money
20100502 04:22:27< VurtualRuler98> And the future you think about is real, and you can go visit it. Hovercraft.
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20100502 04:22:45< VurtualRuler98> No you're literally a battery. In a jar of goop.
20100502 04:22:59< Blarumyrran> So what, the analogy applies
20100502 04:23:16< VurtualRuler98> You don't have to pay taxes you know
20100502 04:23:21< VurtualRuler98> just don't have a formal job, and don't be on any record
20100502 04:23:26< VurtualRuler98> It's very possible.
20100502 04:23:33< Blarumyrran> How is that relevant
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20100502 04:23:46< Blarumyrran> If you are a PROPER citizen, you do pay taxes
20100502 04:23:56< VurtualRuler98> who cares about "proper"
20100502 04:24:18< VurtualRuler98> There's a guy who just did haircutting informally at a barber shop for tips, lived with someone else, and had literally no record of existance.
20100502 04:24:22< VurtualRuler98> I declare that pretty cool
20100502 04:24:39< Blarumyrran> and in that case, are you saying that someone who doesn't pay taxes in kongo, who might be killed by some local militias every day - is better off than someone living in us who pays taxes
20100502 04:25:00< VurtualRuler98> okay mr smith
20100502 04:25:07< VurtualRuler98> What if we threw you into an infinite loop of a time with no advancement
20100502 04:25:13< VurtualRuler98> Nothing you ever do will ever amount to more than... a videogame.
20100502 04:25:22< VurtualRuler98> Crumbly and delicious, but a video game.
20100502 04:25:29< VurtualRuler98> That you cannot win, lose, or have any influence in.
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20100502 04:25:46< VurtualRuler98> Every last bit of toil and suffering, every last person you care about, will amount to nothing.
20100502 04:25:49< Blarumyrran> ... real life might be a videogame too for all you know
20100502 04:25:59< VurtualRuler98> That's why we try to escape the matrix
20100502 04:26:12< Blarumyrran> No
20100502 04:26:29< Blarumyrran> then why don't people try to escape the outride-matrix, because it might be just another matrix
20100502 04:26:30< VurtualRuler98> Do you think that's AIR you're denying? No, it's words.
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20100502 04:26:42< Blarumyrran> what's AIR
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20100502 04:27:02< Blarumyrran> outside*
20100502 04:27:10< VurtualRuler98> Theory: The "matrix" is the real world, and the "real world" is a matrix that Morpheus put him into for the fun of it.
20100502 04:27:26< VurtualRuler98> Every moment since the mirror effect(caused by fast-acting drugs) was a simulation
20100502 04:27:38< Blarumyrran> Yes, and since you'll never know which is real, why do you want to prefer the worse one for no reason at all
20100502 04:27:40< VurtualRuler98> moments before were drugs
20100502 04:27:46< VurtualRuler98> Because I choose to.
20100502 04:27:51< Blarumyrran> that is idiotic
20100502 04:27:56< VurtualRuler98> THAT'S A QUOTE
20100502 04:27:57< Blarumyrran> I choose to put my head in acid.
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20100502 04:28:12< VurtualRuler98> Didn't you remember that one scene from those theorized sequels?
20100502 04:28:23< VurtualRuler98> Which is kinda sad that they never existed?
20100502 04:28:27< Blarumyrran> Ah the ending of the 3rd?
20100502 04:28:38< King_E> okay, from here on out, this will be King Elendil's iPod connection
20100502 04:28:54< Blarumyrran> It made no bloody sense at all. Like there was never any reason really given for why the smiths exploded
20100502 04:28:59< King_Elendil> Yes, Indeed :p
20100502 04:29:03< VurtualRuler98> well duh
20100502 04:29:28< VurtualRuler98> Also, "iKing"
20100502 04:29:45< VurtualRuler98> Also all the smiths may or may not have actually been one entity controlling multiple shapes
20100502 04:29:55< VurtualRuler98> so killing this thing blew up all the other things it was controlling
20100502 04:30:10< King_Elendil> nah, that isn't directly pointing to me, it could be anyone
20100502 04:30:12< Blarumyrran> killing what thing
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20100502 04:30:22< VurtualRuler98> iLendil?
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20100502 04:32:13< Blarumyrran> When I was little, I once read a novel, which was really similar to matrix (but much older, and not sci-fi)
20100502 04:32:17< iElendil> there we go
20100502 04:32:18< Blarumyrran> I wish I'd remember its name
20100502 04:33:56< Gambit> I need linux help again :(
20100502 04:34:01< Gambit> I need to edit a read only file.
20100502 04:34:14< Gambit> only the "owner" can edit it (which is me?)
20100502 04:34:24< Blarumyrran> I think you should
20100502 04:34:27< Blarumyrran> reinstall it
20100502 04:34:33< Gambit> again D:
20100502 04:34:38< Blarumyrran> Yes, it's the only way
20100502 04:34:57< Gambit> Apparently when your battery runs dead, this little flag in var/lib/networkManager/ gets set to false.
20100502 04:35:03< Gambit> disabling your internet.
20100502 04:35:34< Blarumyrran> A freshly installed Ubuntu should have it true though, no?
20100502 04:35:42< Blarumyrran> It's really the universal solution that applies everywhere
20100502 04:36:08< Gambit> Yeah but it'd be simpler if I could just edit this file :\
20100502 04:36:18< Blarumyrran> Then you are weak
20100502 04:36:43< Blarumyrran> Then Linux is not for sissies like you
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20100502 04:37:21< Blarumyrran> A real linux user touches the hard drice with magnetized needle in the right places and edits the file no matter what
20100502 04:37:25< Blarumyrran> drive*
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20100502 04:46:47< Gambit> Blarumyrran: Thanks! That worked!
20100502 04:46:56< Blarumyrran> Glad to be helpful!
20100502 04:48:17< Gambit> "kdesudo kate filename" and the search engine formerly known as topeka didn't help at all.
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20100502 04:53:43< Blarumyrran> no linux user would ever use a search engine that doesn't support the complete perl regex stuff anyway
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20100502 04:55:52< Gambit1> tf?
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20100502 04:57:49< Gambit> Man I've spammed this place with login/logout messages today :s
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20100502 05:15:56< VurtualRuler98> It's sophisticated, not spammy.
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20100502 07:12:49< iElendil> ancestral pm me...
20100502 07:14:55< iElendil> will it work?
20100502 07:16:17< ancestral> Will what work?
20100502 07:16:28 * ancestral is confused what you're talking about
20100502 07:16:32< iElendil> a m
20100502 07:16:35< ancestral> You're going to have to repeat yourself I guess
20100502 07:16:48< iElendil> a m to me
20100502 07:17:00< ancestral> "a m" ?
20100502 07:17:15< iElendil> a pm
20100502 07:17:27< iElendil> sorry :(
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20100502 07:18:52< King_Elendil> nvm
20100502 07:20:02< ancestral> ok?
20100502 07:20:13< ancestral> Sorry if I couldn't be of more help?
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20100502 08:04:15< landscape69> hi
20100502 08:04:35< landscape69> there are somewhere a changelog for wesnoth 1.8.1?
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20100502 08:09:42< Blarumyrran> landscape69, http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/tags/1.8.1/changelog?rev=42348&dir_pagestart=50&view=markup
20100502 08:10:24< landscape69> Blarumyrran: thanks
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20100502 08:25:56< iElendil> how is everyone?
20100502 08:26:08< ancestral> May-tastic!
20100502 08:26:23< iElendil> lol
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20100502 08:29:43< iElendil> how is the bestiary coming?
20100502 08:32:23< iElendil> well, good night folks :)
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20100502 08:40:21< Issyl> wow
20100502 08:40:34 * Issyl realizes he must have started back at like 1.0/1.1
20100502 08:40:40< Issyl> because I remember a lot of the old sprites...
20100502 08:40:48< Issyl> man that's ages ago
20100502 08:40:53< Issyl> like 05/06 if I remember right
20100502 08:42:00< Issyl> http://zapicm.freeshell.org/1_02/images/elvish-sharpshooter.png http://zapicm.freeshell.org/1_02/images/elvish-hero.png
20100502 08:42:03< Issyl> oh man these sprites
20100502 08:42:05< Issyl> so much nostalgia
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20100502 10:11:28< Ivanovic> moin
20100502 10:13:02< halifix> money coin!
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20100502 10:36:11< ancestral> halifax: hehe
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20100502 10:52:07< cph> I see 1.8.1 is out, or in the process of being released.
20100502 10:53:21< Ivanovic> there is always some time between the creation of the source tarball (what you could call the "real" release) and the time when it is actually announced
20100502 10:53:35< Ivanovic> simply so that some binaries are created when the new version is announced
20100502 10:53:40< cph> yes
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20100502 10:56:04< sevis> It's already in portage, though. :D
20100502 10:56:21< sevis> Thank you, devteam.
20100502 10:56:53 * cph runs away at the mention of Gentoo
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20100502 14:17:01< iElendil> hey all :)
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20100502 16:35:40< Unnheulu> Hiah Zerovirus 
20100502 16:35:54 * Zerovirus nods grumpily due to lack of caffeine
20100502 16:35:55< SekoIdiootti> ZEROVIRUS!!! Hi.
20100502 16:37:12< SekoIdiootti> I've been spammed.
20100502 16:37:41< Zerovirus> ...Uh.
20100502 16:37:47< Zerovirus> Hwhat?
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20100502 16:38:05< SekoIdiootti> lol
20100502 16:39:01 * Unnheulu is grumpy because the xmoto devs are too lazy to commit his patch :(
20100502 16:40:46< shadowmaster> ah, poor little Unnheulu 
20100502 16:41:09< Unnheulu> Maybe its cause the main dev is very fussy about how the code looks :/
20100502 16:41:27< Unnheulu> Or I didn't use {} on one line if's
20100502 16:41:50< Unnheulu> :D
20100502 16:42:23< shadowmaster> well, if you can't respect the project's coding  style then that's your fault
20100502 16:43:12< Unnheulu> =)
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20100502 16:43:54< shadowmaster> and you should be ashamed
20100502 16:44:02< Unnheulu> The guy who was working alone to code it until the old dev got back recently lost his commit rights, because his code was too scruffy
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20100502 16:47:42< SekoIdiootti> I have spam in my sprite thread. :(
20100502 16:48:10< Unnheulu> :/
20100502 16:48:12< Zerovirus> Rly?
20100502 16:48:14< shadowmaster> SekoIdiootti: report it?
20100502 16:48:18< SekoIdiootti> nah
20100502 16:48:25< SekoIdiootti> it's just some person who's weird
20100502 16:48:32< Aethaeryn> link?
20100502 16:48:33< shadowmaster> SekoIdiootti: how the fuck do you expect me to find spam if you don't report it?
20100502 16:48:39< SekoIdiootti> lol...
20100502 16:48:48< Zerovirus> Oh yes. Drakequeen.
20100502 16:48:53< SekoIdiootti> yeah
20100502 16:48:56< Zerovirus> Not quite sure what he was thinking posting his own art in your thread.
20100502 16:49:05< Aethaeryn> why the hell...
20100502 16:49:19< Aethaeryn> does such a mature community attract such people
20100502 16:49:21< shadowmaster> this (
20100502 16:49:25< SekoIdiootti> ?
20100502 16:49:27< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=424796#p424796) is not spam
20100502 16:49:35< SekoIdiootti> :(
20100502 16:49:45< shadowmaster> please review your definitions of spam, thank you very much
20100502 16:49:49< shadowmaster> that's just poluution
20100502 16:49:53< shadowmaster> I mean pollution
20100502 16:49:54< SekoIdiootti> well... ok.
20100502 16:50:02< Aethaeryn> ah, right. hijacking maybe?
20100502 16:50:17< shadowmaster> quite
20100502 16:50:21< Aethaeryn> SekoIdiootti: you're woodmouse?
20100502 16:50:23< SekoIdiootti> yeah
20100502 16:50:24< shadowmaster> but since it's not gone too far, it's safe to ignore
20100502 16:53:12< Aethaeryn> SekoIdiootti: your spritework has actually matured into something passable from what it was starting out years ago. Good job. Your avatar actually looks kinda... cool.
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20100502 16:53:25< SekoIdiootti> yay
20100502 16:53:40< Gambit|Laptop> Morning.
20100502 16:53:43< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: how do you know which post the #blahblah is?
20100502 16:53:49< Unnheulu> I asked that badly didn't I? >.>
20100502 16:53:58< sevis> G'morning
20100502 16:54:12< Aethaeryn> SekoIdiootti: You've just proven that persistance works. A year or two from now you might make really awesome UMC sprites like Zerovirus...
20100502 16:54:29< SekoIdiootti> lol... year... or two... :(
20100502 16:54:35< Aethaeryn> Hey, Zerovirus has some awesome sprites.
20100502 16:54:46< Gambit|Laptop> Oooh did woodmouse make something new?
20100502 16:54:51< Zerovirus> And some crappy ones too
20100502 16:54:52< SekoIdiootti> IT'S TWOHUNDRED SEVENTY TEN DAYS!!!
20100502 16:54:54 * Gambit|Laptop looks
20100502 16:54:55< Zerovirus> Dont forget my crappy sprites
20100502 16:54:59< Gambit|Laptop> Zerovirus: HAI
20100502 16:55:06< Aethaeryn> Gambit|Laptop: Well, I haven't looked at his stuff in maybe 6 months.
20100502 16:55:08< Zerovirus> :)
20100502 16:55:12< Aethaeryn> He's gotten way better, is my point.
20100502 16:55:18< Unnheulu> I don't get how Zerovirus does that stuff on a sub os :/
20100502 16:55:31< Gambit|Laptop> A sub OS?
20100502 16:55:34< Kenpachi> Zero uses Windows?
20100502 16:55:35< Aethaeryn> He makes it in a submarine
20100502 16:55:35< Unnheulu> *sub par os
20100502 16:55:35< Gambit|Laptop> Zerovirus is on mac?
20100502 16:55:39< SekoIdiootti> I'm making a new sprite.. Mwahaha.. xD
20100502 16:55:42< Zerovirus> Windows and MS Paint
20100502 16:55:44< Aethaeryn> ah
20100502 16:55:48< Gambit|Laptop> Zerovirus is on a good OS>
20100502 16:55:52< Gambit|Laptop> The best one :)
20100502 16:55:52< Zerovirus> definitely sub par :P
20100502 16:55:52< SekoIdiootti> A lizardman
20100502 16:55:54< Aethaeryn> I thought you were in a submarine, and you use your sub's OS for making sprites.
20100502 16:56:06< Gambit|Laptop> lawl
20100502 16:56:19< Gambit|Laptop> The UK's subs run on XP
20100502 16:56:23< Gambit|Laptop> that's how they got conficker
20100502 16:56:31< Aethaeryn> Gambit|Laptop: I would much rather run Windows XP on VirtualBox on top of Linux than the other way around. :P
20100502 16:56:43< Unnheulu> That's why the Liberal Democrats'll ge t rid of them
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20100502 16:57:10< Aethaeryn> I'm told that the Democrats here in the US are actually kinda like your Labour party.
20100502 16:57:18< Aethaeryn> So who the hell are the Liberal Democrats analogous to?
20100502 16:57:25 * Unnheulu shrugs
20100502 16:57:34< Unnheulu> A more left wing Labour
20100502 16:57:52< Aethaeryn> So like if the green power over here had any power? :P
20100502 16:57:56< Aethaeryn> *green party
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20100502 16:58:16< Gambit|Laptop> GREEN POWER!
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20100502 16:58:21< Gambit|Laptop> NO MORE OTHER RACES!
20100502 16:58:24< Gambit|Laptop> GREEN PEOPLE ONLY!
20100502 16:58:29< Aethaeryn> Maybe they should change their name to "Green Power" and they might get more votes.
20100502 16:58:31< Zerovirus> How did we get into this discussion?
20100502 16:58:32< Aethaeryn> Maybe.
20100502 16:58:37< Unnheulu> We have a Green Party over here to
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20100502 16:59:15< Aethaeryn> Zerovirus: Woodmouse brought up his thread...
20100502 16:59:24< Aethaeryn> And I said he got better and one day he might be like Zerovirus...
20100502 16:59:31< Gambit|Laptop> lawl "Zerovirus" highlights me.
20100502 16:59:32< Aethaeryn> And then you said you use Paint on Windows.
20100502 16:59:40< Zerovirus> Yeeeah
20100502 16:59:45< Zerovirus> I think I was there for that part
20100502 16:59:47< Aethaeryn> And then we mentioned that you run XP on a submarine, just like the UK
20100502 16:59:55< Zerovirus> and then suddenly DEMOCRATS :Derp
20100502 16:59:55< Aethaeryn> which apparently got conficker on their subs
20100502 17:00:11< SekoIdiootti> DEMONCRAPS
20100502 17:00:13< Gambit|Laptop> Just 3 of them IIRC.
20100502 17:00:26< SekoIdiootti> Anyway... how do I draw scales...? :(
20100502 17:00:32< Zerovirus> My communist friend calls them Demoncrats.
20100502 17:00:34< Zerovirus> :P
20100502 17:00:43< Zerovirus> Uh depends at what magnification you're drawing them
20100502 17:00:46< Aethaeryn> SekoIdiootti: I agree. Republicants and Demoncraps. What choices do we have?
20100502 17:00:47< Gambit|Laptop> How many democrats does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
20100502 17:01:04< SekoIdiootti> On a sprite
20100502 17:01:09< SekoIdiootti> or in
20100502 17:01:13< SekoIdiootti> or wait, it's on
20100502 17:01:14< SekoIdiootti> lol
20100502 17:01:15< Zerovirus> No, I mean what's the size? 2 pixels? 5 pixels?
20100502 17:01:17< Gambit|Laptop> Any guesses? :)
20100502 17:01:22< SekoIdiootti> hmm, well, dunno
20100502 17:01:26< Zerovirus> >.<
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20100502 17:01:32< Zerovirus> Just tell me what you're drawing
20100502 17:01:35< SekoIdiootti> I've tried stuff... but they look weird
20100502 17:01:39< SekoIdiootti> well, a lizard man
20100502 17:01:41< SekoIdiootti> thingy
20100502 17:01:58< SekoIdiootti> if I make the scales to big, they look like spikes
20100502 17:01:59< SekoIdiootti> *too
20100502 17:02:03< Gambit|Laptop> It only takes one democrat to screw in a lightbulb, but they'll create a whole new department for it and it gets really screwed.
20100502 17:02:33< Zerovirus> Sigh. Send what you have to me and I'll see what I can do.
20100502 17:04:08< Aethaeryn> woah, the new savanna in trunk actually looks like... grass
20100502 17:04:13< Zerovirus> Probably not now though.
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20100502 17:04:25< Zerovirus> I have to go in like 5 minutes so if you send it to me I'll work on it when I get back.
20100502 17:04:30< Zerovirus> Also, yes yes it does.
20100502 17:04:34< Zerovirus> It's awesome.
20100502 17:04:36< Gambit|Laptop> We got new terrain?
20100502 17:04:47< Aethaeryn> no, savanna got replaced
20100502 17:04:52< Zerovirus> Eleazar put in some awesome new grass for savanna.
20100502 17:04:52< Aethaeryn> with something that looks like tall grass
20100502 17:04:55< Aethaeryn> instead of yellow something
20100502 17:04:58< Zerovirus> The old savanna looked stupid anyways.
20100502 17:05:00< Aethaeryn> I might not shy away from flat
20100502 17:05:15< Aethaeryn> normally, my maps take ages to complete because I don't like grass :P
20100502 17:05:19< Gambit|Laptop> Hmmm that must not have been put in upthorn_persistence :(
20100502 17:05:50 * Gambit|Laptop says "upthorn_persistence" a few more times.
20100502 17:06:06< shadowmaster> fanboy
20100502 17:06:09< Aethaeryn> I'm not sure if it's just trunk or if 1.8 svn has it too
20100502 17:06:22< Aethaeryn> usually they backport things like new art (probably savanna too) as long as it doesn't change WML
20100502 17:06:29< shadowmaster> I think the terrain updates are just trunk
20100502 17:06:48< Zerovirus> Hmm. I_should_try_saying_a_sentence_where_instead_of_taking_breaths_I_say_"underscore".
20100502 17:06:48< Aethaeryn> Well, I don't think it would cause MP OOS if it's an old terrain getting a facelift
20100502 17:07:03< shadowmaster> and sounds good enough for me. That'll give people an incentive to TEST THE GODDAMN DEVELOPMENT RELEASES
20100502 17:07:06< shadowmaster> ;)
20100502 17:07:41< Aethaeryn> so would a usable server lobby
20100502 17:07:49< Aethaeryn> hmm, savanna is just begging to be mixed with swamp asthetically
20100502 17:07:56< Zerovirus> That's 1.8.1 for you :P
20100502 17:08:16< Aethaeryn> Zerovirus: not a devel release :P
20100502 17:08:35< Zerovirus>  /me is leaving now. Painting :D
20100502 17:08:47< Zerovirus> ...There wasn't a space there when I entered it.
20100502 17:08:48< Zerovirus> Was there?
20100502 17:08:54< Zerovirus> ...
20100502 17:08:55< Gambit|Laptop> shadowmaster: Who's a fanboy? And of what?
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20100502 17:09:27< Aethaeryn> from the player's perspective, there's one big disincentive to do 1.7-1.8.0 (the lobby) and only barely visible incentives like new art on rarer units (Drakes get no love) and better AI.
20100502 17:09:46< Aethaeryn> 1.9 needs to be as big as 1.3 in terms of offering things that stable cannot.
20100502 17:09:53< Gambit|Laptop> 1.9 will be huge!
20100502 17:09:56< Aethaeryn> 1.3 offered [set_menu_item] which opened up entire genres.
20100502 17:10:05< Gambit|Laptop> New alliance system, persistent variables, new map editor.
20100502 17:10:10< Aethaeryn> ah, right
20100502 17:10:11< Gambit|Laptop> peristent variables
20100502 17:10:14< Aethaeryn> Persistent variables.
20100502 17:10:20< Gambit|Laptop> and did I mention persisten variables?
20100502 17:10:22< Aethaeryn> I'll be doing something with Era of Tyrants...
20100502 17:10:35< shadowmaster> Gambit|Laptop: you
20100502 17:10:36< Aethaeryn> And improving Master of Dungeons to be an MP campaign
20100502 17:10:54< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: usable server lobby? 1.8.1 has the old one back
20100502 17:10:54< Aethaeryn> and I might even do Thunderstone Supremacy if ship sprites fall into my lap (i.e. no, wait for 1.11 :P)
20100502 17:11:03< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: I was talking about devel release.
20100502 17:11:12< shadowmaster> ah
20100502 17:11:19< Aethaeryn> Unfortunately, I made stuff with 1.7-only features and had to wait 6 months before I could play them with anyone :(
20100502 17:11:39< Aethaeryn> I've learned my lessons.
20100502 17:12:38< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: we really need that wasteland terrain mainlined now... the new flats are all so bright...
20100502 17:12:46< Aethaeryn> the only option is cave path for desolate land.
20100502 17:13:07< Gambit|Laptop> and we need bones terrain
20100502 17:13:12< Gambit|Laptop> that will be like wasteland hills
20100502 17:13:18< shadowmaster> do you realize that the wasteland terrain uses a placeholder graphic?
20100502 17:13:38< Aethaeryn> ah
20100502 17:13:44< shadowmaster> I'm no artist and I made that tile using some procedures on top of the 0.6.x (0.7.x?) cave tile
20100502 17:13:53< Aethaeryn> well, we really need a wasteland terrain in mainline
20100502 17:14:20< Aethaeryn> the new flat is brigher and cheerier.
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20100502 17:15:12< shadowmaster> I've seen worse
20100502 17:15:31< Gambit|Laptop> He's seen things you can't even imagine.
20100502 17:15:40< Gambit|Laptop> It still keeps him up at night after all these years.
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20100502 17:16:43< CheeryShadowm> ^___^
20100502 17:16:50< SekoIdiootti> O________O
20100502 17:18:50< Gambit|Laptop> He can't fall asleep for the cheeryness.
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20100502 17:24:29< SekoIdiootti> xD
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20100502 17:24:42< SekoIdiootti> (yeah, I'm fooling around...)
20100502 17:26:45< Gambit|Laptop> f f f f foolin
20100502 17:27:15< SekoIdiootti> :o
20100502 17:27:24< SekoIdiootti> f = ****?
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20100502 17:27:33< Gambit|Laptop> no.
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20100502 17:27:46<@shadowmaster> enough randomness yet?
20100502 17:27:59< SekoIdiootti> sorry.
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20100502 17:28:49< Gambit|Laptop> SekoIdiootti: No. f!=f**k. It equals the sound [fuh]
20100502 17:29:02< SekoIdiootti> ok
20100502 17:29:10< Gambit|Laptop> It is part of the chorus of the def leopard song "foolin" :)
20100502 17:35:58< Gambit|Laptop> it's so nice to have my laptop be useful again.
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20100502 17:57:32< Aethaeryn> Gambit|Laptop: I'm evil.
20100502 17:57:58< Aethaeryn> Now that the host will get the power to summon silver mages, and only because of that, am I considering letting the host be able to spawn villages.
20100502 17:58:36< Aethaeryn> Consider the potential of a saurian+silver_mage ambush
20100502 17:59:10< SekoIdiootti> I'd try to make a multiplayer campaign, but I'm afraid that it wouldn't work...
20100502 18:00:31< Aethaeryn> SekoIdiootti: The good thing about my new map, Master of Dungeons, is that you don't need to know WML or the editor.
20100502 18:00:43< Aethaeryn> You can make your own RPGs on-the-spot, different every time but with better design than random
20100502 18:00:59< Aethaeryn> I'm also a shameless self-promoter when it comes to add-ons
20100502 18:01:01< SekoIdiootti> ok
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20100502 18:11:22< Eam_> To compile Wesnoth on my old Linux I probably needed to compile a newer gcc and at last I did, but I have a complication that is over my head.
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20100502 18:13:27< Eam_> I compiled gcc-4.3.4 with the prefix /usr/local/gccv/gccv-4.3.4 and it put 7 directories there; so, now gcc -v tells me I have gcc-3.3.1, which is good IF I could figure out how to access gcc-4.3.4, but what do I do now?
20100502 18:14:14< cph> what's the path to the gcc binary in /usr/local/gccv/gccv-4.3.4 - /usr/local/gccv/gccv-4.3.4/bin/gcc perhaps?
20100502 18:14:26< Eam_> It compiled everything except treelang; it even compiled ada, but what should I do now?
20100502 18:14:53< cph> gcc -v will be executing the system's original (old) copy of gcc, which is in the path.
20100502 18:15:42< Eam_> I don't know but I tell you the 7 directories it put there.
20100502 18:16:25< Soliton> what do you use gcc-3.3.1 for?
20100502 18:17:14< Eam_> bin, include, info, lib, libexec, man, & share
20100502 18:17:29< cph> try running /usr/local/gccv/gccv-4.3.4/bin/gcc -v
20100502 18:17:48< Eam_> I use gcc-3.3.1 for everything I have compiled so far.
20100502 18:18:45< Soliton> anything important that you want to keep compiling with that ancient version?
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20100502 18:19:25< shadowmaster> SekoIdiootti: re http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=425835#p425835, what part of "it's safe to ignore" did you not understand? ah well...
20100502 18:19:52< SekoIdiootti> I posted it before you said "it's safe to ignore"...
20100502 18:19:54< SekoIdiootti> :S
20100502 18:19:59< Eam_> cph :) It gave gcc version 4.3.4 (GCC) in the last line!
20100502 18:20:48< cph> looks like you may have a working copy of gcc 4.3.4 then.
20100502 18:21:24< Eam_> Well I get error messages in color with the old gcc, and I might need it to recompile some things; it would be nice to keep them separate.
20100502 18:21:32< shadowmaster> SekoIdiootti: ah, never mind then
20100502 18:21:35< cph> as you have installed it at a different path, you will need to specify the path to the compiler when compiling things that you want to use the new gcc.
20100502 18:22:21< Eam_> cph How do I use it tho, and do you think I could get colored error messages with it?
20100502 18:23:04< cph> I don't know about coloured error messages.
20100502 18:23:26< shadowmaster> SekoIdiootti: I split the other post anyway
20100502 18:23:33< SekoIdiootti> ok..
20100502 18:23:37< Eam_> I have to compile boost with it, symlink boost, and then try to compile Wesnoth.
20100502 18:24:07< cph> If you want to compile programs which use autoconf ( ./configure) then you would need to specify it at configure time, e.g.: CC=/usr/local/gccv/gccv-4.3.4/bin/gcc ./configure
20100502 18:24:20< Eam_> boost would take 6 hours but it would tell me right off the bat which gcc it was using for a toolkit.
20100502 18:25:59< Eam_> cph :) Thanks!  I am writing that down; do you know off hand how to instruct boost's jam to find gccv-4.3.4?
20100502 18:26:32< Soliton> presumably the coloring comes from a wrapper script not from gcc-3.3.1.
20100502 18:28:07< cph> no, I'm not familiar with it. It may have an option to set the compiler - perhaps the CC environment variable again. Or maybe adding /usr/local/gccv/gccv-4.3.4/bin to the start of your path would do it.
20100502 18:29:08< cph> http://boost.cppll.jp/BDTJ_1_29/tools/build/gcc-tools.html - looks like you want to set GCC_ROOT_DIRECTORY
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20100502 18:29:52< Eam_> The coloring probably has to do with colorgcc on my distro tho it has a colorgcc; my colorgcc is probably to odl to find fortran even if I knew how to symlink it or whatever.
20100502 18:31:57< Soliton> right, that's a wrapper script.
20100502 18:35:56< Eam_> The way I have been compiling boost has been:  tar -xvf boost-jam-3.1.14  cd boost-jam-3.1.17  sh ./build.sh gcc  cd bin.linuxx86  cp -v bjam /usr/local/bin    after untaring and boost and cd boost_1_39_0   bjam --toolset=gcc --build-type=complete install   cd and then  ln -s /usr/local/include/boost-1_39/boost /usr/include
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20100502 18:39:12< Eam_> Soliton my distro puts 3 links in /usr/local/bin 2 of which would get overwritten if I installed gcc here: here is an example  g++ -> ../../bin/colorgcc
20100502 18:40:01< Eam_> The g++ would get overwritten; that is why I gave gcc-4.3.4 its own prefix.  :)
20100502 18:41:57< Eam_> I would probalbly have to get a newere ANSIColor perl module to recognize fortran (not f77) if I knew what I was doing, but I am bit stupid about scripting colorgcc or colorgccrc and symlinking.  :)
20100502 18:45:50< Eam_> cph I will look at the documentation in boost_1_39_0 for info on GCC_ROOT_DIRECTORY when I try to compile it.  Thanks!  :)
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20100502 18:48:17< Eam_> If I can get past boost, then I should be able to compile autotools packages the way you said.  I already compiled everyhing that is prerequisite for Wesnoth somehow.  I have been upgrading for a year.  I miss Wesnoth.  It stole me away form chess.  :)
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20100502 18:50:27< SekoIdiootti> Is there toilets in the Wesnoth world?
20100502 18:50:32< Eam_> boost newer than 1_39_0 might have different way of compiling that I have not figured out yet, but 1_39_0 should be good enough for a long time if I can get to find the gcc prefix.
20100502 18:50:46< SekoIdiootti> I'm only asking because... well... I think it'd be weird if there wouldn't be. xD
20100502 18:51:46< Eam_> Wesnoth needs a dwarf ghostslayer not toilets.  :)
20100502 18:52:02< SekoIdiootti> lol
20100502 18:52:30< Eam_> The dwarfs don't really have an effective ghostslayer and that makes it difficult to balance maps for all factions.
20100502 18:53:29< Eam_> I might be outspoken on that matter but it still what I think I know.  :)
20100502 18:54:07< SekoIdiootti> ok
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20100502 19:04:50< Eam_> printenv does not seem to give andy CC path; do you think there is a way to set the gcc path in the environment?
20100502 19:06:25< cph> export CC=/usr/local/gccv/gccv-4.3.4/bin/gcc
20100502 19:06:31< Aethaeryn> Okay, Aethaeryn's Maps 0.5.1 is released on the server with updates to Dwarven Fortress and a brand-new map, Master of Dungeons.
20100502 19:07:02< Aethaeryn> Some new changes were made between the last playtest and publishing, so a new game of Master of Dungeons is being hosted right now to show off the new map.
20100502 19:07:28< Aethaeryn> Which will be available in its current form for download right now, so if you like it after playing it, you can host your own game immediately afterward.
20100502 19:08:15< SekoIdiootti> What's the moving units wml thing again? ^^;
20100502 19:08:22< SekoIdiootti> I forgot it... :s
20100502 19:09:09< Eam_> cph It worked!  :)
20100502 19:11:25< Eam_> Does anyone know where I get a free 50 pages or more download with lots of examples on the ln command?  I almost ruined my linux trying to link things.
20100502 19:12:15< shadowmaster> SekoIdiootti: {MOVE_UNIT} macro
20100502 19:12:22< shadowmaster> you should check the documentation for it
20100502 19:12:40< SekoIdiootti> but.. where can I see it?
20100502 19:12:42< SekoIdiootti> lpol
20100502 19:12:43< SekoIdiootti> *lol
20100502 19:12:51< SekoIdiootti> the macrto I mean
20100502 19:12:53< SekoIdiootti> *macro
20100502 19:13:41< Eam_> They don't have any 50 pages or more with lots of example doc on the ln command.  One really needs lots of examples to do something so dangerous the right way.
20100502 19:13:57< Eam_> At least I do.
20100502 19:13:58< shadowmaster> SekoIdiootti: 
20100502 19:14:04< shadowmaster> oops, http://www.wesnoth.org/macro-reference.xhtml
20100502 19:15:02< SekoIdiootti> ok
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20100502 19:16:00< Eam_> info ln only gives 3 examples.
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20100502 19:16:52< iElendil> hey people :)
20100502 19:17:29< SekoIdiootti> hi
20100502 19:18:18< sevis> G'evening
20100502 19:18:36< iElendil> afternoon here
20100502 19:18:40< Eam_> I can not read as easily as I use to, but I would gobble up a well written 50 page tract on the ln command.
20100502 19:19:15< Gambit|Laptop> "ln"?
20100502 19:19:27< sevis> Gambit|Laptop: Link.
20100502 19:19:27< Eam_> There are probably a million people who know how to write one like that, but not one I know of ever has.
20100502 19:19:32< iElendil> you're not talking to me are you?
20100502 19:19:40< Gambit|Laptop> Oh I thought we were in algebra 2.
20100502 19:19:43< Eam_> Yes the link command for linux.
20100502 19:20:07< sevis> Eam_: Do you really need any of the switches except -s and -v? Maybe an overwrite one, but even that can usually be done manually...
20100502 19:20:26< iElendil> hi gambit :)
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20100502 19:21:49< Eam_> None of the links I made yesterday went where I thought they would and it was difficult to find them; if one puts one it he wrong place and erases it., one could wrack his os.
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20100502 19:24:05< sevis> Eam_: I just remember that 'ln -s $target $sourcedir/$sourcefile' does the exact same as 'cd $sourcedir && ln -s $target $sourcefile'.
20100502 19:24:29< Eam_> One has to know how to ln ../ kind of paths, how to unlink and remove, and what kind of link to use, and where it will pop up, and what it will rm if it is removed; i could use a 50 page tract with well thought out examples and explanations.
20100502 19:25:02< sevis> No, wait, that's wrong.
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20100502 19:25:30< sevis> Well. $target is the file being pointed to and $sourcefile is the file being created.
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20100502 19:26:32< SekoIdiootti> ARRGHHH, the message wml doesn't work!!!
20100502 19:26:36< Eam_> ln does not put this or that in the "current directory"  and different books only have 2 line explanations of ln that seem to be saying the opposite things.
20100502 19:27:27< SekoIdiootti> but... ARGH, it used to work... it's changed...
20100502 19:27:29< SekoIdiootti> :(
20100502 19:27:32< Eam_> Not knowing how link boost had kept me out of Wesnoth once for a year.  :(
20100502 19:28:12< SekoIdiootti> I mean... in the macro page sm linked to... there's how the message thing works.. but it doesn't! And then I read... it only can be narrator or those stupid things... :S
20100502 19:28:16< Eam_> I have to experiment left and right and one can not afford to slop around on ln.
20100502 19:28:18< sevis> Eam_: ln -s puts the link where the second argument points, and the link points to where the first argument points *relative of the link file*.
20100502 19:29:29< sevis> So 'ln -s ../bin/gcc /usr/local/gcc' will make link /usr/local/gcc point to /usr/local/../bin/gcc.
20100502 19:29:54< SekoIdiootti> do I have to make it be a narrator and only use an image and the name of the unit that talks? :0
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20100502 19:30:14< Gambit|Laptop> SekoIdiootti: Instead of speaker=narrator make it id=id
20100502 19:30:18< Eam_> sevis I am going to write that down.  :)
20100502 19:30:19< Gambit|Laptop> or x,y=x,y
20100502 19:30:23< SekoIdiootti> hmm... I did... but... :S
20100502 19:30:24< SekoIdiootti> it won't sok.
20100502 19:30:26< SekoIdiootti> *work
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20100502 19:31:40< sevis> I'm sorry for providing such a nonsensical example, I doubt anyone would ever do that.
20100502 19:33:28< SekoIdiootti> This is what I used...
20100502 19:33:30< SekoIdiootti> [message]
20100502 19:33:32< SekoIdiootti> 	id=(unit's name)
20100502 19:33:33< SekoIdiootti> 	message= _ "(message)"
20100502 19:33:35< SekoIdiootti> [/message] 
20100502 19:33:36< SekoIdiootti> but it won't work...
20100502 19:33:48< Gambit|Laptop> SekoIdiootti: id!=name
20100502 19:33:49< Gambit|Laptop> name is name
20100502 19:33:50< Gambit|Laptop> id is id
20100502 19:33:53< SekoIdiootti> ?
20100502 19:33:56< SekoIdiootti> but they're the same...
20100502 19:34:11< SekoIdiootti> or... WAIT!!!
20100502 19:34:23< SekoIdiootti> yeah, they are... :S
20100502 19:34:23 * Gambit|Laptop waits.
20100502 19:34:25< SekoIdiootti> :(
20100502 19:34:36< SekoIdiootti> but I have
20100502 19:34:37 * Gambit|Laptop is skeptical.
20100502 19:34:47< SekoIdiootti> 	name=Tent
20100502 19:34:49< SekoIdiootti> 	description=Tent
20100502 19:34:53< SekoIdiootti> (yes, Tent)
20100502 19:35:01< SekoIdiootti> ........
20100502 19:35:02< Gambit|Laptop> You didn't set the ID.
20100502 19:35:11< Gambit|Laptop> Check out syntax changes for 1.7
20100502 19:35:12< SekoIdiootti> yeah... but... isn't it changed like that in 1.8?
20100502 19:35:16< Gambit|Laptop> No.
20100502 19:35:17< SekoIdiootti> ohj
20100502 19:35:19< SekoIdiootti> *oh
20100502 19:35:20< Gambit|Laptop> That's how it was before.
20100502 19:35:21< SekoIdiootti> ok...
20100502 19:35:22< SekoIdiootti> I'll try
20100502 19:35:24< SekoIdiootti> lol
20100502 19:35:26< SekoIdiootti> OH
20100502 19:35:27< SekoIdiootti> ^^;
20100502 19:35:41< Gambit|Laptop> They made it actually make sense now :D
20100502 19:37:42< Soliton> sevis: the worse part is that it's simply wrong.
20100502 19:38:10< sevis> It is? O___o
20100502 19:38:15< sevis> That's how it's worked for me.
20100502 19:38:30< SekoIdiootti> YAY THANKS GAMBIT!!! :D
20100502 19:38:36< SekoIdiootti> now it works.. :D
20100502 19:39:05< SekoIdiootti> so THAT'S why everything I've tried to make for 1.8 doesn't work... ^^;
20100502 19:39:59< Soliton> sevis: nevermind you already corrected it, wasn't reading to the end.
20100502 19:40:54< Gambit> SekoIdiootti: ;|
20100502 19:41:11< sevis> Oh, okay, I thought you meant my more specific example.
20100502 19:42:36< SekoIdiootti> the shape of it
20100502 19:42:43< SekoIdiootti> oops wrong channel ^^;
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20100502 19:43:28< Samwise> lol BAN HIM
20100502 19:43:57< SekoIdiootti> O.o
20100502 19:45:01< Unnheulu> Why? :(
20100502 19:48:16< Gambit> Because you're Welsh.
20100502 19:48:17< Gambit> :o
20100502 19:48:28< Gambit> Actually I think Samwise was talking about SekoIdiootti.
20100502 19:48:39< SekoIdiootti> :(
20100502 19:48:48 * Unnheulu sighs in relief
20100502 19:48:52< SekoIdiootti> Because I'm finnish? :D
20100502 19:48:53< SekoIdiootti> xD
20100502 19:49:05< Gambit> *+d
20100502 19:49:05< Unnheulu> No, because your Swedish
20100502 19:49:08< Gambit> You are finished here.
20100502 19:49:09< SekoIdiootti> I only say stuff in the wrong channels always... because my mouse is buggy.
20100502 19:49:15< SekoIdiootti> really
20100502 19:49:21< Gambit> Yep.
20100502 19:49:24< SekoIdiootti> well, not the only reason
20100502 19:49:25< Unnheulu> Is it Finnish?
20100502 19:49:30< Gambit> When people have fullfilled their destiny in #wesnoth they are banned.
20100502 19:49:31< SekoIdiootti> ?
20100502 19:49:35< SekoIdiootti> ... :(
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20100502 19:49:37< Gambit> And you finnished.
20100502 19:49:39< Unnheulu> You should be using a Swedish one, they are way better
20100502 19:49:40< Gambit> lol
20100502 19:49:42< Unnheulu> Erm
20100502 19:51:22< Unnheulu> Come on xmoto guys...validate my patch! :/
20100502 19:51:25< Unnheulu> s/validate/commit/
20100502 19:52:39< Eam_> Do you think if I put the CC path in the envirnment that boost's bjam might be able to find gcc without giving bjam an extra switch just like autotools probably will?
20100502 19:54:47< Eam_> I don't see why anyone in linux would switch from autotools; the reason more people complain about autotools is because more people use autotools.  Autotools really give everyone more power.
20100502 19:55:58< Eam_> cmake and scons won't beat autotools in any kind of normal competition.
20100502 19:56:35< sevis> I'd be curious to hear why scons was chosen, it's certainly a change, although I can't say I oppose it.
20100502 19:56:48< Eam_> cmake would just enslave one to the latest kde distro and scons would just enslave one to python thesame way.
20100502 19:58:09< Eam_> I already know scons would not work on my heavily upgraded old distro the way autotools might.
20100502 19:59:40< Eam_> Something has to be used to be worked out right and all the people that go into autotools and all the people that compile that way give autotools more power.
20100502 20:00:27< Soliton> have you ever written/maintained an autotools build of anything?
20100502 20:01:09< Eam_> I compile lots of things the standard autotools way.
20100502 20:01:30< Eam_> I am not any authority tho.
20100502 20:02:12< Soliton> i'm talking about the development side. i'm sure you can type ./configure etc.
20100502 20:02:30< Eam_> Yes.
20100502 20:04:08< Eam_> and I put /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig in my environment after a while, but beyond compiling I have just begun to scratch the surface.  I have managed to modify a few scripts to make some things compile for me.
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20100502 20:09:12< Eam_> I have yet to even look at wml but someday I hope to learn that and gcc's c++.
20100502 20:12:38< Eam_> One bumps into all kinds of obstacle's, epecially finding good books; but yesterday, for instance, I downloaded about 7 books from Linux Document project in 3 different formats:  html, txt, and ps.gz.
20100502 20:14:10< Eam_> The ps is virgin territory to me;  I was wondering how one goes about reading them- if they even have to be gunziped?
20100502 20:15:34< Eam_> I compiled ghostxcript 8.78 but I don't really even know if it is related to the ps format?
20100502 20:16:22< Soliton> evince would be one tool to read them.
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20100502 20:17:19< Eam_> Is there a special reader for ps files.  Both html and txt have drawbacks.  Solition you answered my question before I asked it.  :)
20100502 20:17:39< Eam_> Does evince need gnome to compile?
20100502 20:18:38< cph> gtk at least, maybe gnome
20100502 20:19:07< Eam_> I have a newer gtk!  :)
20100502 20:20:11< Eam_> My rig will take about 6 hours to compile boost.  So i am really backlogged with things to do.  :)
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20100502 20:22:17< Eam_> I am going to try to compile xorg someday, but an upgrade like that might take me weeks or even months: I could never get past the monolithic package when they had it, so I think their new way is a big improvement!  :)
20100502 20:22:54< sevis> Eam_, what distro are you on..?
20100502 20:24:23< Eam_> In xorg I would imagine one would compile the proto packages first.
20100502 20:25:20< Eam_> I only have about 3 xorg packaged compiled right now.
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20100502 20:26:09< Eam_> Ones that were good for gtk which in turn is good for compiling wesnoth.
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20100502 20:29:15< Eam_> By compiling libXft, xprot, and xrender (which is a legacy package) I was able to get pango to include the Xft backend.
20100502 20:29:33< Eam_> xproto, libXft, and xrender
20100502 20:32:24< Eam_> Seamonkey would need those 3 and more to compile as well.  For now I would happy if I can compile Wesnoth.  I love Wesnoth!  :)
20100502 20:34:25< sevis> Eam_: Is this a BLFS system?
20100502 20:35:30< Eam_> I have been trying for years to get gcc's ada to compile and I finally did on gcc-4.3.4; and I found out that gcc-4.3.4 may actually be more recent than 4.4.0 and 4.4.1 and is probably prerequiste for them because they require cloog to be compiled by a recent gcc.
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20100502 20:35:57< Eam_> What is BLFS?
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20100502 20:36:24< sevis> Eam_: Beyond Linux From Scratch, a way of building up on Linux From Scratch.
20100502 20:36:40< sevis> The book has instructions for building Xorg.
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20100502 20:38:22< Eam_> That is the book I did not download the other day because I did not think it was realistic for me;  I got about 6 or 7 others tho.
20100502 20:40:07< Eam_> I always wanted to build linux from scratch but I should learn a lot more firtst or I will never be able to build one as well as what I have buildt on top of.
20100502 20:41:13< Eam_> It is too old to have instructions for building a modern xorg, isn't it?
20100502 20:41:50< sevis> BLFS? It's well-maintained, as far as I know.
20100502 20:42:37< Ivanovic> Eam_: LFS and following that BLFS are exactly there for learning all the stuff
20100502 20:42:40< Eam_> You are probalbly right.
20100502 20:42:47< Ivanovic> that is why things are explained in detail for every package
20100502 20:43:00< Ivanovic> that is: yes, you have to be able to do more than just copy&paste
20100502 20:43:18< Eam_> I will get around to reading it.
20100502 20:43:23< Ivanovic> you need to read the stuff and every now and then you even have to search eg in google if you run into some problem
20100502 20:44:02< Eam_> I could use a good tract on compiling gnmome as well; I would not know where to start.
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20100502 20:47:30< Eam_> I know.  That is how I had compiled Mozilla-1.7 when it was around because --without-gssapi was one of the secrets; that switch had not even been mentioned anywhere in mozilla but was advised in a letter between programmers on the internet.
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20100502 20:50:39< Eam_> It is also how I figure out where to put bjam so I could compile boost.
20100502 20:52:09< Eam_> I spent the whole day yesterday looking for a real detailed tract on the ln command, but that is how still on I found the books at the Linux Documenation Project!  :)
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20100502 20:56:18< Eam_> Later today I am going to try to compile bjam, boost, and wesnoth with the new gcc i got;  gcc-4.3.4.  Last week loonycyborg helped me get a lua.pc which was a major hurdle because compiling lua does not give a lua.pc and wesnoth looks for one.
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20100502 20:59:25< Eam_> This chatting kind of stuff has given me a whole new good feeling and faith in the human race because life and not always been so good to me as quite often people on the the other side of the internet are!!  :)
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20100502 21:02:01< Eam_> That is thing I like about Wesnoth too outside of the game.  I think the Wesnoth community is the best!  :)
20100502 21:02:23 * Unnheulu agrees
20100502 21:02:40< Unnheulu> Over at xmoto there is a huge backlash over *any* new feature
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20100502 21:09:32< Zerovirus_> Zarel_: There, I posted something for you over at Warzone :P
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20100502 21:09:57< shadowmaster> this is the warzone channel?
20100502 21:10:06 * Unnheulu nods
20100502 21:10:11 * shadowmaster kicks Unnheulu 
20100502 21:10:12< Unnheulu> Check again
20100502 21:10:18< Unnheulu> Sorry :)
20100502 21:10:29< shadowmaster> your butt will be sorry the next time
20100502 21:10:52 * Unnheulu makes a mental note to try out Warzone once he's finished what he's working on atm
20100502 21:10:58< Zerovirus_> I don't even know if Warzone has a channel, and this is the fastest way to get to Zarel.
20100502 21:11:04< shadowmaster> yes, it has
20100502 21:11:05< Unnheulu> #warzone
20100502 21:11:07< Unnheulu> I think
20100502 21:11:10< Zerovirus_> Although he's always in here anyways and doesn't always participate...
20100502 21:11:18< shadowmaster> no, #warzone2100
20100502 21:11:35< Unnheulu> Yeh
20100502 21:11:41< Unnheulu> I saw it in your whois list once
20100502 21:12:10< Gambit> shadowmaster's list is huge.
20100502 21:12:25 * Unnheulu knows :/
20100502 21:12:46< Unnheulu> Wuts KVIrc, I thought you used irssi :P
20100502 21:12:54< shadowmaster> yes
20100502 21:13:03< shadowmaster> and I also use #kvirc. Any problem with that?
20100502 21:13:07< shadowmaster> *kvirc
20100502 21:13:09< Unnheulu> And wuts eir? :/
20100502 21:13:12< Unnheulu> or ekode32
20100502 21:13:25< shadowmaster> why don't you look stuff up instead of asking me?
20100502 21:13:29< Unnheulu> You use kubuntu aaand debian?
20100502 21:13:41< shadowmaster> yes, I have a kubuntu VM
20100502 21:13:45< Gambit> cool people like kubuntu?
20100502 21:13:55< Unnheulu> Gambit: No.
20100502 21:14:12< sevis> Gambit: Yes.
20100502 21:14:18< Gambit> Yeah right. shadowmaster, sevis, and I just all happen to use it.
20100502 21:14:24< Gambit> ;)
20100502 21:14:39< shadowmaster> it's not my regular OS and I only have it for testing purposes
20100502 21:14:57< shadowmaster> mainly to see how some stuff differs from Debian
20100502 21:15:05< Unnheulu> Gambit: And I just happen to use Xfce...And I count for 100 of each of you
20100502 21:15:20< Gambit> Doubt it.
20100502 21:15:29< Gambit> You have your decimal misplaced there.
20100502 21:15:38< Unnheulu> Yeh
20100502 21:15:46< Unnheulu> It should be 10,000
20100502 21:15:50< Unnheulu> But, I'm not fussy
20100502 21:16:19< sevis> Gambit, next time you reinstall, maybe you'll want to try Mint, but Kubuntu should be fine until then. Do you have 9.10 or 10.04?
20100502 21:16:41< Gambit> 10.04
20100502 21:16:56< Gambit> Mint... someone was complaining about that.
20100502 21:17:06< Gambit> Aethaeryn I think it was.
20100502 21:17:12< shadowmaster> people complain about everything, even WML
20100502 21:17:20< sevis> All I've heard about it is that it's Ubuntu with shiny stuff sprinkled over it.
20100502 21:17:50< Gambit> Where are these people who complain about WML?
20100502 21:17:51< shadowmaster> and I hear that Ubuntu is Debian with flammable stuff on it
20100502 21:17:55< Gambit> I shal smite them.
20100502 21:18:05< Gambit> sevis: I dunno how much shiny stuff my laptop can take.
20100502 21:18:12< Gambit> Maybe I'll replace ubuntu on this computer.
20100502 21:18:25< shadowmaster> no UbuTNTu is good for newbies
20100502 21:18:39< Gambit> mint isn't?
20100502 21:18:55< shadowmaster> I didn't put a comma
20100502 21:19:00< Gambit> it uses gnome though.
20100502 21:19:20< shadowmaster> and what with it?
20100502 21:19:34< Gambit> I dunno.
20100502 21:19:39< sevis> Hm, shadowmaster, is Ubuntu really that bad? I always assumed it was my newbishness killing it...
20100502 21:19:49< Gambit> I think the whole reason it was suggested I switch to kubuntu was gnome.
20100502 21:20:05 * Gambit 's memory isn't that good today
20100502 21:20:25< sevis> Gambit: Well, seeing as the only major difference between Ubuntu and KUbuntu is Gnome vs KDE... :P
20100502 21:20:37< Gambit> Yeah...
20100502 21:21:03< Gambit> plus wubi doesn't have mint in it.
20100502 21:21:34< shadowmaster> sevis: I've seen experienced users cry and complain about tit
20100502 21:21:36< shadowmaster> er, it
20100502 21:22:25 * Gambit isn't experienced so it's all good!
20100502 21:22:46< sevis> Hm, maybe I should try it on a VM...
20100502 21:22:52< shadowmaster> I've also seen inexperienced users give up and spread shit about Linux due to Ubuntu
20100502 21:23:07 * Gambit perserveres!
20100502 21:23:13< shadowmaster> hopefully
20100502 21:23:32 * Gambit has bad spelling.
20100502 21:23:49 * Unnheulu prefers XUbuntu to Debian with XFCE...
20100502 21:23:50 * Gambit becomes shadowmaster's yesman.
20100502 21:24:03< Unnheulu> And I can't really find any other distro's with xfce
20100502 21:24:04< sevis> shadowmaster: What would you advise a Linux newbie, then?
20100502 21:26:04< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: C++ uses floor() right?
20100502 21:26:20< Unnheulu> (In maths)
20100502 21:27:20< Gambit> shadowmaster recommends windows to linux newbies
20100502 21:27:28< shadowmaster> sevis: I'd warn them about the common misconceptions on Linux and distributions
20100502 21:27:57< Unnheulu> "Linux is a freebie"
20100502 21:28:06< Unnheulu> That's what I live with everyday :/
20100502 21:28:35< Gambit> lame, intensively needy, uperating xystem.
20100502 21:29:09< sevis> Hm. I really should get a Windows box that will function in pretty much the same way as my Linux one. :\
20100502 21:29:22< sevis> Well, with the same interface.
20100502 21:29:41< sevis> But, even if you warn them, I still don't see much better than Ubuntu.
20100502 21:29:50< Gambit|Laptop> Vista is a lot like kde. Except it uses 300% more resources.
20100502 21:30:00< VurtualRuler98> Vista is fine Gambit
20100502 21:30:03< VurtualRuler98> I'm dissapointed in you
20100502 21:30:05< Unnheulu> Wow, that must need a huuuuuge processor
20100502 21:30:06< sevis> Unless you're willing to install and maintain it for them, of course, did that for someone and it's going great.
20100502 21:30:07< Gambit|Laptop> VurtualRuler98: It is fine!
20100502 21:30:10< VurtualRuler98> You gonna side with the everything-must-be-free terrorists.
20100502 21:30:14< VurtualRuler98> also kde is not fine
20100502 21:30:23< Unnheulu> KDE is bloatware
20100502 21:30:26 * Gambit|Laptop apologizes to vista.
20100502 21:30:37< Gambit|Laptop> Un.nheulu: It is not
20100502 21:30:39< sevis> KDE is fine.
20100502 21:30:50< VurtualRuler98> having to use three different kinds of different-looking software graphicsy-things, for no reason, just to use your computer, sucks.
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20100502 21:31:17< Unnheulu> Qt Tk GTk and Wx?
20100502 21:31:23< Unnheulu> Wait, thats 4
20100502 21:32:01< Gambit> And is replaced with AngryShadowm
20100502 21:32:47< sevis> Well, seeing as you don't need to use *any* of the toolkits to use your computer, I don't see the problem.
20100502 21:32:58< sevis> Having GTk for Firefox is nice, but not essential.
20100502 21:33:09 * Gambit keeps forgetting which computer he is using.
20100502 21:33:35< sevis> Which computer are you using?
20100502 21:33:56< Gambit> Well I have both sitting here and I keep accidentally switching from laptop to desktop in this conversation.
20100502 21:34:22< sevis> Hm. Which one feels better to use?
20100502 21:34:30< Gambit> The desktop. No contest ;)
20100502 21:34:50< sevis> Hehe.
20100502 21:34:54< Gambit> Kubuntu made my laptop faster, but it's not *that* fast.
20100502 21:35:08< sevis> Oh, it's due to the speed?
20100502 21:35:41< Gambit> speed directly correlates to responsiveness.
20100502 21:35:51< Gambit> Fran practically loads the windows before I've even asked.
20100502 21:36:33< sevis> Yeah, I realise, I'm just surprised you don't find the Linux GUIs far inferior, most people have that reaction at first.
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20100502 21:37:33< shadowmaster> VurtualRuler98: what the hell "everything must be free terrorists"?
20100502 21:37:45< Gambit> shadowmaster: Yes. Read yesterdays logs. :)
20100502 21:37:51< shadowmaster> I'm a Linux user who uses paid proprietary software.
20100502 21:38:35< Unnheulu> Aww that must suck
20100502 21:38:42< shadowmaster> namely Microsoft Office, since OpenOffice.org sucks
20100502 21:38:46< Unnheulu> Let me book you into a psychologist
20100502 21:39:22< Unnheulu> Will you require counselling or rehab?
20100502 21:39:45< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: no you
20100502 21:40:02< Gambit> MS office works on linux?
20100502 21:40:05< Gambit> o_O
20100502 21:40:13< shadowmaster> not directly
20100502 21:40:15< Unnheulu> Didn't think the newest release did
20100502 21:40:23< Gambit> Oh
20100502 21:40:29< Gambit> Once you've gone 2007 you can't go back.
20100502 21:41:24 * Unnheulu misread that as you can't go black. :O
20100502 21:41:52< Blarumyrran> It really sucks that ms office can't export pdf though
20100502 21:42:02< Aethaeryn> Gambit: ?
20100502 21:42:03< Unnheulu> Really?
20100502 21:42:09< Unnheulu> Even ma own program can
20100502 21:42:12< Gambit> Blarumyrran: It can.
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20100502 21:42:35< Blarumyrran> Gambit, well ms office 2003 or whatever it was that didn't yet have that sily new blue gui couldn't
20100502 21:42:43< Gambit> Blarumyrran: Otherwise I dunno how I got all these pdfs here :\
20100502 21:42:53< Gambit> The new silly blue gui can.
20100502 21:43:03< Gambit> You just need "proffesional" or whatever
20100502 21:43:04< Vornicus> (I actually prefer the 2007 gui, personally)
20100502 21:43:06< Unnheulu> Blarumyrran: It's nearly midnight...
20100502 21:43:09< Blarumyrran> Maybe. But I hate the new gui, so I have to use openoffice to get easy pdfs
20100502 21:43:41< Gambit> Vornicus: Yeah it's alright once you get used to it.
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20100502 21:44:18< sevis> If you're going to need to get used to it, why not just get used to vim? :P
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20100502 21:44:25< Blarumyrran> The openoffice excel clone is silly, but the rest is fine imo
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20100502 21:45:38< Gambit> AngryShadowm: Bad internet?
20100502 21:46:35< Vornicus> the Access clone is incompetent, the Word clone has so many object positioning issues it makes even the worst sins of older Words look mild in comparison, and the Excel clone manages to make things that are simple and obvious in Excel completely impossible.
20100502 21:46:55< Gambit> Powerpoint clone?
20100502 21:47:34< Vornicus> Idunno.  I don't use Powerpoint.
20100502 21:49:06< Blarumyrran> Vornicus, I've never tried the access clone but msWord positioning mess is even worse
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20100502 21:50:27< Blarumyrran> I can't really bring specific examples since I haven't written anything longer than a page in either for some time now
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20100502 21:56:03< Hulavuta> Hi
20100502 21:56:41< Hulavuta> No one here?
20100502 21:56:44< Unnheulu> Nope
20100502 21:56:55< Hulavuta> I see
20100502 21:56:58< sevis> 'Course not, what could we possible be discussing?
20100502 21:56:58< Hulavuta> I have a question
20100502 21:57:18< Unnheulu> ask in #wesnoth-question
20100502 21:57:32< Hulavuta> If I download Wesnoth 1.8.1, does it use my old userdata file, or does it make a new one?
20100502 21:57:40< Unnheulu> It's the official channel for questions
20100502 21:57:50< Unnheulu> You will get kicked if you force an answer here
20100502 21:57:54< sevis> Is there an official channel for answers, too?
20100502 21:57:56< Unnheulu> Please ask in #wesnoth-question
20100502 21:58:04< Unnheulu> sevis: That'd be #wesnoth-answer
20100502 21:58:11< Hulavuta> I didn't know it existed...
20100502 21:58:23< Unnheulu> But we aren't picky about answering in #wesnoth-question
20100502 21:58:32< Unnheulu> Hulavuta: ofc it does, this is the general wesnoth chat channel
20100502 21:58:41< Unnheulu> #wesnoth-question for questions
20100502 21:58:42< VurtualRuler98> I'd try and be helpful here but I'm restricted to 1.6 by the person who holds the right to my OS.
20100502 21:58:42< Blarumyrran> Your question has to be approved before you're allowed to see the answerers on #wesnoth-answer
20100502 21:58:59< sevis> Unnheulu: Is there a #wesnoth-thinking-about-it?
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20100502 21:59:11< Unnheulu> We're considering it
20100502 21:59:12< Hulavuta> Okay, seriously does anyone know the answer?
20100502 21:59:19< Unnheulu> Yes
20100502 21:59:25< Hulavuta> What is it
20100502 21:59:26< Unnheulu> But, I am waiting for approval
20100502 21:59:55< Blarumyrran> Hulavuta, when you start wesnoth, and wesnoth finds no configurations file, it creates a new one
20100502 22:00:02< Hulavuta> Okay.
20100502 22:00:02< Blarumyrran> I believe
20100502 22:00:28< Hulavuta> So I have my userdata for 1.8.0, and if I install 1.8.1 it will use the 1.8.0 userdata?
20100502 22:00:41< Unnheulu> I think so
20100502 22:00:54< Unnheulu> if you install svn, however, that creates a new userdata
20100502 22:00:55< Ivanovic> depends
20100502 22:01:31< Gambit|Laptop> Somehow I left...
20100502 22:01:36< Hulavuta> What is svn
20100502 22:01:39< Ivanovic> that is: if you are saving stuff in the install folder on windows and installed to c:\programs\wesnoth-1.8.0\ and got the userdata in there: you will have to copy it over
20100502 22:01:40< Gambit|Laptop> subversion
20100502 22:01:41< Unnheulu> Subversion
20100502 22:01:56< Ivanovic> if you got things in your "home" folder it might just work
20100502 22:02:05< Unnheulu> And the thing I want write access to at xmoto 'cos they're so slow at committing
20100502 22:02:07< Ivanovic> just check the name of the folder where stuff is stored
20100502 22:02:18< Hulavuta> The userdata file is just called Wesnoth1.8
20100502 22:02:22< Ivanovic> if it does include a full 1.8.0: you have to copy the stuff to the 1.8.1 folder
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20100502 22:02:30< Ivanovic> in your case you should be perfectly fine
20100502 22:03:01< Hulavuta> ok
20100502 22:03:13< Hulavuta> So if it is 1.8.0 then I will have to make a new one, but if it's just 1.8 I don't?
20100502 22:03:31< Gambit|Laptop> Hulavuta: If you used the default install stuff then you're sugar and rainbows.
20100502 22:03:36< landscape69> hi
20100502 22:03:42< Hulavuta> k
20100502 22:03:45< Gambit|Laptop> If you're really worried then backup the userdata.
20100502 22:03:52< Gambit|Laptop> Then repaste
20100502 22:03:55< Hulavuta> I did, but I just pressed "copy"
20100502 22:03:59< Gambit|Laptop> But it should be fine.
20100502 22:04:03< Hulavuta> And it didn't take a while to load, so I'm a bit worried
20100502 22:04:06< Hulavuta> I'm just going to try it.
20100502 22:04:18< Hulavuta> wait a second
20100502 22:04:26< Gambit|Laptop> Yeah well copy doesn't actually do anything in Windows Explorer AFAIK.
20100502 22:04:26< Hulavuta> What about the program files file?
20100502 22:04:26< landscape69> its possible to turn off this popup in the tools bar : f.e. http://yfrog.com/2smedia001p. iam using latest 1.8.1 wesnoth
20100502 22:04:31< Gambit|Laptop> IF you copy a folder
20100502 22:04:33< Gambit|Laptop> then delete it
20100502 22:04:42< Gambit|Laptop> then paste it, nothing will happen.
20100502 22:04:48< Hulavuta> oooohh
20100502 22:04:49< Hulavuta> ok
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20100502 22:04:56< Gambit|Laptop> Copy only sets the source directory.
20100502 22:05:00< Gambit|Laptop> So you must copy and paste
20100502 22:05:05< Gambit|Laptop> to back it up
20100502 22:05:10< Gambit|Laptop> then copy/paste again to put it back.
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20100502 22:05:38< Hulavuta> If I install it at file C: Program Files Battle for Wesnoth 1.8.1, will it delete the old C: Program Files Battle for Wesnoth 1.8.0?
20100502 22:05:50< Gambit|Laptop> Hulavuta: Where's your userdata?
20100502 22:05:55< Gambit|Laptop> That's all you need to worry about.
20100502 22:05:55< Hulavuta> My Documents
20100502 22:05:58< Hulavuta> ok
20100502 22:06:13< Hulavuta> What if I decided to install 1.8.1 in a file called 1.8.0?
20100502 22:06:33< Gambit|Laptop> "userdata is all you need to worry about"
20100502 22:06:38< Hulavuta> Okay fine
20100502 22:06:44< Hulavuta> One last question
20100502 22:06:53< Gambit|Laptop> Unless you've modified data/core at all.
20100502 22:07:04< Hulavuta> If I install 1.8.1, will it automatically delete 1.8.0? Or do I need to do taht maself?
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20100502 22:07:16< Gambit|Laptop> You will have to uninstall 1.8.0
20100502 22:07:47< Hulavuta> Ok.
20100502 22:07:57< Gambit|Laptop> unless you install 1.8.1 to the same folders. [citation_needed]
20100502 22:08:07< Hulavuta> I was about to ask that, lol
20100502 22:08:13< Ivanovic> and installing a new version to the same folder is NOT recommended!
20100502 22:08:18< Hulavuta> ok
20100502 22:08:20< Ivanovic> bestter: uninstall 1.8.0
20100502 22:08:27< Ivanovic> install 1.8.1
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20100502 22:08:35< Hulavuta> So I should install 1.8.1 and then uninstall 1.8.0
20100502 22:09:13< Gambit|Laptop> I'd do it in the other order.
20100502 22:09:14< Hulavuta> You know what, I have a better idea
20100502 22:09:16< Gambit|Laptop> live Ivanovic said.
20100502 22:09:21< Hulavuta> I have a better idea
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20100502 22:09:34< Gambit|Laptop> Don't update at all?! That's madness!
20100502 22:09:44< Hulavuta> Lol how did you know I was gonna say that?
20100502 22:09:48< Gambit|Laptop> Get 1.9? That's madness!
20100502 22:09:55< Gambit|Laptop> Hulavuta: I'm psychic :o
20100502 22:10:12< Hulavuta> Why is it so important that I do it the other way?
20100502 22:10:40< Gambit|Laptop> Well the uninstallation of 1.8.0 might remove something put in by 1.8.1
20100502 22:10:42< Ivanovic> not important but safe
20100502 22:10:48< Ivanovic> because windows does suck
20100502 22:10:48< Gambit|Laptop> registry entrys (?)
20100502 22:11:08< Ivanovic> and software handling on wesnoth does suck *really* badly
20100502 22:11:19< Gambit|Laptop> Hulavuta: http://xkcd.com/628/
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20100502 22:12:07< Hulavuta> uuuuuh I don't get it
20100502 22:12:32< Hulavuta> Forget it, I just won't install. The changelog isn't that big anyway
20100502 22:12:47< Ivanovic> if you do play multiplayer: install the new version!
20100502 22:12:53< Gambit|Laptop> It's not the size of the changelog that matters.
20100502 22:12:57< Ivanovic> if you play singleplayer only: slight changes only
20100502 22:12:59< Gambit|Laptop> It's what is done in it.
20100502 22:13:14< Hulavuta> But, uh, if I renamed the 1.8.0 file just 1.8, and then decided to install a newer version, and for the newer version tell it to install 1.8, would that be a big deal
20100502 22:13:27< Ivanovic> for multiplayer you do want to install 1.8.1 since it does fix the "missing wml child" issue
20100502 22:13:47< Hulavuta> And I know, but when I meant the changelog wasn't big, I meant that they don't affect me much
20100502 22:14:02< Hulavuta> I never got the missing wml child issue though
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20100502 22:14:12< Ivanovic> it will eventually affect you
20100502 22:14:18< Ivanovic> since it is a race condition in the code
20100502 22:14:33< Gambit|Laptop> Wha?
20100502 22:14:46< Ivanovic> so if you once have too much load or do some other stuff like chatting while waiting for an rng result: BOOOM!
20100502 22:15:04< Hulavuta> oookk
20100502 22:15:12< Hulavuta> But, uh, if I renamed the 1.8.0 file just 1.8, and then decided to install a newer version, and for the newer version tell it to install 1.8, would that be a big deal
20100502 22:15:20< Ivanovic> in general: use the start menu entry to uninstall 1.8.1
20100502 22:15:27< Ivanovic> after this just intall 1.8.1
20100502 22:15:32< Ivanovic> DONE
20100502 22:16:03< Hulavuta> ok, but in the first message you mean 1.8.0 right?
20100502 22:16:30< Ivanovic> yeah, right
20100502 22:16:36< Hulavuta> ok
20100502 22:16:39< Hulavuta> One sec...
20100502 22:18:15< Ivanovic> if your savegames are not there, read this post regarding where to find userdata and rename it accordingly: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=23894
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20100502 22:20:09< Hulavuta> What does "added the old lobby" mean? 1.7?
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20100502 22:31:08< Ivanovic> yes, the lobby from 1.7
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20100502 22:37:21< Hulavuta> is there anyway I can change the shortcut from 1.8.0 to go to 1.8.1?
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20100502 22:47:51< Hulavuta> OKAY WHAT THE HELL
20100502 22:48:13< Hulavuta> All the text is a bunch of boxes!!!
20100502 22:49:55< Ivanovic> clear case of "windows sucks!!!"
20100502 22:50:05< Ivanovic> try linux or osx, there things do work perfectly!
20100502 22:50:19< Hulavuta> lol
20100502 22:50:22< VurtualRuler98> That's the other way around Ivanovic
20100502 22:50:34< Hulavuta> So....should I just reinstall 1.8.0?
20100502 22:50:40< VurtualRuler98> Not only do most linux distros completely bar you from rationally installing a newer version of something once it comes out
20100502 22:50:49< VurtualRuler98> but they also require tinkering which sometimes you do not have time for
20100502 22:51:06< Hulavuta> (4:50:37 PM) Hulavuta: So....should I just reinstall 1.8.0?
20100502 22:51:10< VurtualRuler98> Now I have this thing where if it doesn't work on linux reliably, use the windows version immediately because the 1-2% processor use won't harm you
20100502 22:51:54< Ivanovic> VurtualRuler98: if you use a sane distribution like gentoo you directly have the new stuff on the day it is released
20100502 22:52:06< Ivanovic> eg 1.8.1 is available for gentoo users already for some 24 hours
20100502 22:52:21< Ivanovic> Hulavuta: there are also users with this problem that run 1.8.0
20100502 22:52:34< Ivanovic> and so far we got no idea what the cause might be beside "windows sucks!"
20100502 22:52:41< Ivanovic> it is not really reproducible
20100502 22:52:56< Ivanovic> some users got the prob, many don't
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20100502 22:53:39< Hulavuta> So, what are my options? just reinstall 1.8.0?
20100502 22:54:07< Ivanovic> uninstall, reboot (does at least not hurt when using windows...), reinstall 1.8.1
20100502 22:54:08< Hulavuta> reinstall 1.8.1 maybe?
20100502 22:54:14< Hulavuta> ok
20100502 22:54:22< Ivanovic> no idea if it helps or not
20100502 22:54:32< Hulavuta> Should I uninstall first or just reinstall?
20100502 22:54:41< Ivanovic> first uninstall
20100502 22:54:44< Ivanovic> then reboot
20100502 22:54:47< Ivanovic> than install again
20100502 22:54:49< Hulavuta> reboot the computer?
20100502 22:55:02< Ivanovic> no, your microwave and coffeemachine
20100502 22:55:07< Hulavuta> Ok sorry....
20100502 22:55:08< Ivanovic> </sarcasm>
20100502 22:55:11< VurtualRuler98> and the dreamcast, always reboot the dreamcast.
20100502 22:55:36< Soliton> what's the issue with the 1.8.1 install?
20100502 22:55:46< Hulavuta> The text is a whole bunch of blocks instead of text
20100502 22:55:58< Ivanovic> Soliton: another user with the strange "blocks instead of text" problem
20100502 22:56:12< Ivanovic> as if the font is broken and does not know unicode chars anymore
20100502 22:56:22< Soliton> i see.
20100502 22:56:41< Soliton> and with 1.8.0 it worked fine`
20100502 22:56:48< Soliton> s/`/?/
20100502 22:57:07< Hulavuta> Yeah
20100502 22:57:29< Soliton> weird.
20100502 22:57:37< Hulavuta> Yep
20100502 22:57:52< Soliton> ok, carry on.
20100502 22:58:32< Hulavuta> lol
20100502 22:58:58< Hulavuta> Until then, I'm using 1.8.0 instead
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20100502 23:01:01< Hulavuta> I'm going to go play Halo now
20100502 23:02:20< VurtualRuler98> which halo?
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20100502 23:04:46< Hulavuta> The second
20100502 23:08:04< Hulavuta> I wonder why stderr stays when wesnoth is uninstalled?
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20100502 23:53:09< Gambit> Shoot. I just realized I'm trolling in off topic. :\
20100502 23:53:41 * Gambit edits posts to be as nonoffensive as possible while still getting his point across. :\
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