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20100503 00:24:29 * Rhonda shoots Gambit
20100503 00:24:45< Gambit> Rhonda: What'd I do :'(
20100503 00:24:50< Rhonda> You asked for it.
20100503 00:25:23< Gambit> Oh. lol
20100503 00:26:19 * Rhonda is always trying to be helpful.
20100503 00:26:21< PetePorty> plz don't  ban me shadowmaster
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20100503 01:43:35< PetePorty> YAY! I got my playstation2 emulator working!
20100503 01:46:32< PetePorty> O.o and I am still not banned from the forums... this is AWESOME!
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20100503 01:51:40< PetePorty> no "well done Pete" for me?
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20100503 02:35:52< PetePorty> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kedjhnguKhc
20100503 02:36:13< PetePorty> for rpg lovers, think twice before doing this king of stuff....
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20100503 02:53:46< Blarumyrran> In all sane games, people will attack you if you do things like that
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20100503 02:55:29< shadowmaster> did he do something bad that he's asking me to not ban him?
20100503 02:55:56< Blarumyrran> I don't know, look at his last posts
20100503 02:56:03< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=425943#p425943
20100503 02:56:25< Blarumyrran> But you should ban zaladore anyway
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20100503 02:59:13< shadowmaster> maybe
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20100503 03:27:11< halifix> huh. There were 4 ppl in this Conquest game I was in before I crashed, and when I came back, the room's gone, I can't remember who I Was playing with, and no one was in that room apparently.
20100503 03:28:27< Blarumyrran> sounds like some thriller
20100503 03:28:43< shadowmaster> THRILLER! Thriller night!
20100503 03:28:58< halifix> anyways, 1.8.1 time. I hope I crash 10% less of the time
20100503 03:29:24 * Blarumyrran does not get the reference
20100503 03:29:35< shadowmaster> okay, never mind then
20100503 03:29:54 * Blarumyrran successfully nevers the mind
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20100503 03:50:25< halifix> I was referencing 1.8.0, which seems to crash all the time
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20100503 05:05:30< foxoon> ls
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20100503 05:10:47< King_Elendil> WOW O_O Kyle Poole has done an amazing job on the iPhone port
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20100503 05:13:58< halifix> :o iPhone port? Is it free? :D
20100503 05:17:55< King_Elendil> $.99
20100503 05:18:01< King_Elendil> no
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20100503 05:56:26< halifix> that's close enough to free for me
20100503 05:57:23< King_Elendil> it's definitely worth it, it's the same price as a 3 minute song, only the fun lasts for hours an hours :)
20100503 05:57:24< halifix> Sounds great, although I have misgivings about the small screen. There's solo campaigns on it, I assume... can you get MP?
20100503 05:57:41< halifix> also, does it crash less than 1.8 :o
20100503 05:57:42< King_Elendil> yes, and yes
20100503 05:58:05< King_Elendil> so far it hasn't crashed for me yet :)
20100503 05:58:27< halifix> sold
20100503 05:58:40< halifix> Once I remember my iTunes account >.<
20100503 05:59:03< King_Elendil> lol, you won't be disappointed :)
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20100503 07:25:07< halifix> mm... playing a BR at what must be 2 am for him... and he still acts like switching the teams from default so his team gets 1st and 2nd on clash is "fair" because it's "2x2". But it was a nice challenge that we won.
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20100503 09:48:28< Ivanovic> moin
20100503 09:48:33< sevis> G'morning
20100503 09:49:28< Unnheulu> Bore da
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20100503 10:35:41< Issyl> g'night :3
20100503 10:35:49< Unnheulu> G'night
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20100503 11:18:00< Unnheulu> Ffs
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20100503 14:33:21< Gambit|Laptop> shadowmaster: Good morning.
20100503 14:33:43< shadowmaster> good morning laptop
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20100503 15:18:19< Necrosporus> If I already have 1.8.0 tarball, can I do something to get 1.8.1 faster?
20100503 15:18:29< shadowmaster> if you have the source, yes
20100503 15:18:38< Necrosporus> Yep, source
20100503 15:19:04< shadowmaster> download the xdelta patch for 1.8.0 to 1.8.1, uncompress the 1.8 tarball as a plain tar file and apply the patch on it
20100503 15:19:16< shadowmaster> and then extract the resultant tar 
20100503 15:19:35< Necrosporus> So I need xdelta util?
20100503 15:20:36< shadowmaster> yes
20100503 15:20:59< shadowmaster> and at least 400 MB of free disk space, probably
20100503 15:23:28< Necrosporus> So there is nothing new, but old lobby?
20100503 15:23:53< Necrosporus> Is at least new lobby bugfixed?
20100503 15:24:09< shadowmaster> yes
20100503 15:24:16< shadowmaster> and the old lobby is back as a default option
20100503 15:24:43< shadowmaster> you might also want to read the changelog: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/wesnoth/tags/1.8.1/changelog
20100503 15:24:45< Necrosporus> Would it be better to use such default option?
20100503 15:25:02< shadowmaster> no idea, I'm not a MP dev or user
20100503 15:25:04< Necrosporus> Already reading changelog
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20100503 15:32:20< Necrosporus> Which xdelta would better, latest 3.0y or 1.1.4 would be OK?
20100503 15:33:50< shadowmaster> uh?
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20100503 15:34:07< shadowmaster> um, I don't think the xdelta tool's version matters a lot
20100503 15:34:59< Necrosporus> http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/misc/xdelta/
20100503 15:35:09< Necrosporus> There is Slackbuild for 1.1.4
20100503 15:35:22< Necrosporus> I dunno, would it work with 3.0
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20100503 15:38:04< shadowmaster> no idea, I haven't used it since ages
20100503 15:38:08< shadowmaster> you'd have to try I guess
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20100503 15:55:54< Necrosporus> If new lobby is stable enough, why old is default?
20100503 15:56:16< shadowmaster> because it's not stable enough
20100503 15:56:51< Rhonda> lol ;)
20100503 15:57:04< shadowmaster> Well, it is, kind of. It doesn't crash a lot, but it has some bugs that cannot be fixed soon enough to improve the users' experience. So the old one is back.
20100503 15:57:23< Rhonda> Necrosporus: You can't scroll, which might be considered as a … well, "hurtful" feature.
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20100503 15:58:37< shadowmaster> Well, theoretically, you can scroll if your reflexes are better than those of the computer and can do it faster than people join or leave the lobby.
20100503 15:59:10< shadowmaster> So there's a very tiny chance you can do it. Additional emphasis on "tiny".
20100503 15:59:32< Soliton> wesnoth-1.8 neo edition
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20100503 16:06:09< Necrosporus> shadowmaster, I can scroll in 1.8.0
20100503 16:06:20< Necrosporus> but constant crashes is annoying
20100503 16:06:55< shadowmaster> haven't had a single crash myself but I've heard some of those were fixed in 1.8.1
20100503 16:07:05< shadowmaster> I also heard one of them wasn't directly related to the new lobby
20100503 16:08:01< Necrosporus> for me, wesnoth crashes frequently on lobby
20100503 16:08:22< Necrosporus> I lost all conversation log, it's annoying
20100503 16:08:48< shadowmaster> that's a problem for whispers, but public conversations are logged publicly anyway
20100503 16:09:01< Necrosporus> Where?
20100503 16:10:38< shadowmaster> places such as http://www.wesnoth.org/irclogs/2010/05/%23wesnoth-mp-lobby-stable.2010-05-03.log
20100503 16:13:31< Necrosporus> irclog? So it's accessible via IRC client too?
20100503 16:13:39< shadowmaster> yes
20100503 16:13:54< Necrosporus> What server. port, channel?
20100503 16:14:19< Necrosporus> It would be good to keep track of users without running wesnoth all time
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20100503 16:23:10< shadowmaster> same as #wesnoth
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20100503 18:33:51< Necrosporus> what is md5sum for wesnoth-1.8.1.tar ?
20100503 18:34:14< shadowmaster> the md5 sums are provided for the bzip2'ed tarballs
20100503 18:34:46< shadowmaster> so you'd have to bzip2 it up and check afterwards, or just trust that it won't eat your family alive if it doesn't work
20100503 18:35:38< Unnheulu> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29836
20100503 18:35:39< Unnheulu> ftw
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20100503 18:41:49< Necrosporus> shadowmaster, I suppose, bzipped tarball md5sum can vary
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20100503 18:42:10< Necrosporus> Even with same version of bunzip and different options
20100503 18:43:14< Necrosporus> shadowmaster, also, xdelta 3.0 doesn't work for this
20100503 18:43:22< Necrosporus> 1.1.4 is needed
20100503 18:43:29< shadowmaster> aha.
20100503 18:43:30< Necrosporus> Seems they changed format
20100503 18:43:59< shadowmaster> a I said, I haven't used it since ages (circa 2006)
20100503 18:44:11< Necrosporus> But since there is ready slackbuilds for 1.1.4 and wesnoth 1.8, i just use it
20100503 18:44:31< Necrosporus> Only changed 1.8 to 1.8.1 with vim
20100503 18:45:47< Necrosporus> shadowmaster, if you have 1.8.1 tarball, can you do bunzip2 -c wesnoth-1.8.1.tar.bz2 | md5sum for me?
20100503 18:46:02< Necrosporus> I mean official tarball
20100503 18:46:04< shadowmaster> no, I don't have
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20100503 19:13:37< Unnheulu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Monster_Raving_Loony_Party
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20100503 19:19:39< Unnheulu> Bah
20100503 19:19:52< Unnheulu> X-Moto's last proper developer has quit the project
20100503 19:21:53< Aethaeryn> X-Moto?
20100503 19:21:57< shadowmaster> that'll never happen
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20100503 19:22:33< shadowmaster> well, although if I'm ever forced into Ivanovic's position, you can bet you'll have only yearly releases due to my limited connectivity
20100503 19:22:41< shadowmaster> *that'll never happen to Wesnoth
20100503 19:23:04< Unnheulu> ofc it won't
20100503 19:23:07< Unnheulu> Too big
20100503 19:23:39< shadowmaster> you'd also get nifty codenamed releases
20100503 19:24:04< shadowmaster> "Wesnoth 1.12.0 codename Weldyn", etc.
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20100503 19:27:41< sevis> Current head devs are against codenames? :(
20100503 19:30:59< elias> they release too often... they'd run out of names very soon :P
20100503 19:31:54< sevis> Ah... Well, if we only codename major versions...
20100503 19:32:12 * sevis goes to check when what was released.
20100503 19:33:24< Unnheulu> Looks like I'm gonna have to improve my C++ ._.
20100503 19:34:13< sevis> Going to help with X-Moto development?
20100503 19:34:20< Unnheulu> I guess
20100503 19:34:46< sevis> Maybe I should do something like that, too...
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20100503 19:47:53< Gambit> Wesnoth releases should be named after types of cheese
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20100503 19:48:52< sevis> Wesnoth releases should be named after great military figures.
20100503 19:49:36< Unnheulu> Owain Glyndwr and Llewlyn ap Gruffydd rings a bell then
20100503 19:50:30< sevis> Not for me...
20100503 19:51:35< Unnheulu> Wikipedia :)
20100503 19:52:50< sevis> I'm sarta busy... :P
20100503 19:52:55< sevis> But interesting.
20100503 19:54:30< sevis> sorta*
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20100503 20:02:25< Aethaeryn> Wesnoth releases should be named after stupid alliterations.
20100503 20:02:45< Gambit> shadowmaster's silly stable version 2
20100503 20:03:10< Aethaeryn> I was more thinking about things like "awesome application"
20100503 20:03:25< Aethaeryn> and then b, and then c, etc.
20100503 20:03:45< Aethaeryn> that should last us approximately 26 years
20100503 20:03:59< sevis> Not if we codename dev releases...
20100503 20:04:24< Aethaeryn> yeah, but you could give them the same letters
20100503 20:04:38< Aethaeryn> so "awful alpha" -> "awesome application"
20100503 20:04:39< Aethaeryn> :P
20100503 20:04:56< Gambit> bad beta -> better battle
20100503 20:04:59< Unnheulu> Bah, someones asking me how to learn C++ -.-
20100503 20:05:18< Aethaeryn> "creul C++" -> "creative campaigns"
20100503 20:05:22< sevis> "borked beta" -> "big binary", imho.
20100503 20:08:11< sevis> 'dreaded dev' -> 'doomed...' ehm. Meh.
20100503 20:08:51< Aethaeryn> "doomed download"
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20100503 20:39:59< Necrosporus> New lobby still crashes
20100503 20:40:28< Necrosporus> Old is not well-looking and less comfortable
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20100503 20:41:44< Gambit> I've heard it both ways.
20100503 20:42:53< Blarumyrran> Gambit, "Really now..." ?
20100503 20:43:11< Gambit> Yes.
20100503 20:43:32< Gambit> Blarumyrran: I want details on that situation :o
20100503 20:43:38< Gambit> It sounds funny.
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20100503 20:44:12< Blarumyrran> I remember someone here said that the quake-playing generation of US youth will make super-soldiers
20100503 20:44:54< Gambit> Koreans will make amazing... whatever goes on in starcraft?
20100503 20:44:54< Blarumyrran> because of all the d34dly training from there
20100503 20:45:17< Unnheulu> I read somewhere, that the obesity levels in America constitute a safety risk to the country
20100503 20:45:20< Blarumyrran> Bug infection cleaners?
20100503 20:45:27< Unnheulu> Because they can't join the army
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20100503 21:40:42< Unnheulu> :/
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20100503 21:40:54< Unnheulu> Someone is trying to tell me that they can learn C++ from a cheap ebook
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20100503 21:42:26< sevis> They'll need to practice before they can actually use it.
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