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20100504 00:58:26< Hulavuta> Moving to the country, I'm gonna eat a lot of peaches
20100504 00:58:34< Hulavuta> Moving to the country, I'm gonna eat me a lot of peaches
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20100504 00:58:58< Hulavuta> Peaches come from a can, they were put there by a man, in a factory down...tooooowwwnwnn
20100504 00:59:21< Hulavuta> if I had my little way, I'd eat peaches every day. Some sulking bulges in the shaaaadddeee
20100504 01:03:46< Hulavuta> Anyone here?
20100504 01:04:12< sevis> Yes..?
20100504 01:04:40< Hulavuta> Okay...
20100504 01:04:45< cph> we just aren't as fluent on the subject of peaches as you are
20100504 01:05:07< sevis> You can be assured that no matter how quiet this channel is, there's always someone reading...
20100504 01:05:45< Hulavuta> I see...
20100504 01:06:11< sevis> Oh, no, you don't -- they, we, don't tend to show ourselves too often.
20100504 01:06:30< sevis> We, or they, merely watch, and smile, and someetimes -- rarely! -- laugh.
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20100504 01:06:36< Hulavuta> Okay
20100504 01:07:34< Hulavuta> Anyone want to play 1on1? (Or is this not the right place for that?)
20100504 01:17:19< Zerovirus> Sure.
20100504 01:17:44< Hulavuta> Wait..
20100504 01:17:46< Hulavuta> Are you good?
20100504 01:17:56< Gambit> He's the best
20100504 01:18:03< Gambit> Like noone ever was.
20100504 01:18:10< Hulavuta> POKEMON!!
20100504 01:18:12< Hulavuta> lol
20100504 01:18:16< Hulavuta> Zerovirus are you good?
20100504 01:18:39< Blarumyrran> He crushes enemies with pure thought
20100504 01:18:45< Hulavuta> SERIOUSLY I WANNA KNOW
20100504 01:18:54< Zerovirus> Not really
20100504 01:18:57< Hulavuta> I'm kinda bad so I don't want to play against someone like really good
20100504 01:18:57< Hulavuta> Okay
20100504 01:18:59< Hulavuta> I'll play
20100504 01:19:03< Blarumyrran> Where others have the option for writing labels, he has an option for writing into the enemy's boot sector
20100504 01:19:07< Zerovirus> Aren't you already playing an RPG though?
20100504 01:19:15< Hulavuta> Yeah, but I'll just quit lol
20100504 01:19:20< Blarumyrran> You don't want to mess with Zerovirus 
20100504 01:19:22< Zerovirus> I may not be able to win but I can hax my graphics file so your mages shoot rubber ducks at me :D
20100504 01:19:25< Hulavuta> They're just complaining about a guy who won't go
20100504 01:19:29< Hulavuta> Hhahahah
20100504 01:19:32< Hulavuta> I don't use mages
20100504 01:19:32< Hulavuta> hehehe
20100504 01:19:41< Hulavuta> Let's play
20100504 01:19:46< Zerovirus> Okay.
20100504 01:20:03< Hulavuta> I hereby challeenge Zerovirus
20100504 01:20:06< Hulavuta> ....
20100504 01:20:12< Hulavuta> ....To a duel
20100504 01:20:14< Gambit> I CHALLENGE YOU TO A POKEBATTLE!
20100504 01:20:16< Gambit> Oh...
20100504 01:20:21< Gambit> Go Elvish Fighter!
20100504 01:20:26< Zerovirus> ...
20100504 01:20:27< Gambit> Elvish Fighter is evolving!
20100504 01:20:29< Zerovirus> For some reason 
20100504 01:20:31< Hulavuta> I started a room Zero, so join when it's up
20100504 01:20:33< Zerovirus> I'm stuck on filter and can't chat
20100504 01:20:52< Gambit> Elvish Hero uses Bow!
20100504 01:20:56< Gambit> It's not very effective
20100504 01:21:04< Gambit> Wose uses SUPASTOMP
20100504 01:21:17< Hulavuta> k I'm going to study for my math test while I play, so bye all
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20100504 01:21:24< Zerovirus> I cast haste
20100504 01:21:35< Zerovirus> my units can attack 3 times normal amount :D
20100504 01:22:23< Gambit> Zerovirus: wrong game :@
20100504 01:24:00< Gambit> If WML were able to send chat lines and exectute commands (like :control) then I think a wesnoth ATB mod would be possible.
20100504 01:24:08< Gambit> And thusly we could have a strange final fantasy rip off.
20100504 01:24:42< Blarumyrran> ATB?
20100504 01:24:57< Gambit> active time battle
20100504 01:25:07< Blarumyrran> What the hell is that
20100504 01:25:18< Gambit> Have you played final fantasy?
20100504 01:25:21< Blarumyrran> no
20100504 01:25:32< Gambit> Basically there is a bar that fills up with time
20100504 01:25:35< Gambit> you can give your units commands
20100504 01:25:39< Gambit> when their bar is full
20100504 01:25:43< Gambit> they execute the command
20100504 01:26:38< Blarumyrran> Why would you give the commands before the bar is full then
20100504 01:27:33< Zerovirus> You can't
20100504 01:27:37< Zerovirus> the screen only opens when the bar is full
20100504 01:27:51< Zerovirus> in some games when it's full everyone pauses, in some games it doesn't and you have to make fast decisions
20100504 01:28:13< Gambit> Zerovirus: Welll
20100504 01:28:19< Gambit> In some systems you can chain moves
20100504 01:28:28< Gambit> FF13 you actually build chains
20100504 01:28:36< Gambit> in others you could set one in reserve
20100504 01:28:53< Gambit> it was only in the earliest ones that the entire thing would be greyed out until the bar was full
20100504 01:30:47< Blarumyrran> How is it different from eg wesnoth Movement points or xcom Action points
20100504 01:31:12< Blarumyrran> (movement points are slightly a misnomer, since attacking also depends on it)
20100504 01:31:26< Blarumyrran> (or nvm, it doesn't actually I guess)
20100504 01:31:53< Blarumyrran> anyway, how is it different from xcom action points then
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20100504 01:46:31< Zerovirus> Welp, Hulavuta left before we could finish. Pity.
20100504 01:50:14< halifix> oh, I notice in Age of Heroes, troll rocklobber is not a selectable leader
20100504 01:50:50< Zerovirus> That's because it's a lv2 isn't it?
20100504 01:51:25< halifix> well, deathblade is still selectable at age of heroes, and there might be others, like javelineer
20100504 01:52:00< halifix> yea I remember the orcish slayer is selectable as well
20100504 01:52:57< halifix> (although I'd never choose them... I'd only do so if lvl 2's got +10 hp and +2~3 damage in age of heroes
20100504 01:55:44< halifix> yes, every single land-based non-scout lvl 2 is available as a leader in Age of Heroes except Troll Rocklobber
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20100504 02:38:47< norbert_> inside a game, is there any way to tell what the village income is?
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20100504 02:42:20< Blarumyrran> norbert_, in Status Table iirc
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20100504 02:42:57< norbert_> Status Table has team/gold/villages/units/upkeep/income
20100504 02:45:12< Blarumyrran> click More in Status Table
20100504 02:45:35< norbert_> oh yeah
20100504 02:45:40< norbert_> I feel like a noob :P
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20100504 02:46:41< Gambit> You know what Doctor Phil would say.
20100504 02:47:12< norbert_> not really :)
20100504 02:47:33< Gambit> Or you would if you were related to someone who watched it at a very loud volume and your room was adjacent to the living room
20100504 02:47:48< norbert_> hehe... so what is it?
20100504 02:47:51< Gambit> "If you feel like X it's because you are X" :P
20100504 02:47:58< norbert_> ah, okay
20100504 02:48:09< Gambit> But Dr. Phil is wrong.
20100504 02:48:17< Gambit> Because noobs can't make cool websites.
20100504 02:49:07< norbert_> thanks for the compliment, I guess
20100504 02:49:13< norbert_> but I can still be a noob
20100504 02:49:28< norbert_> at playing Wesnoth and other things
20100504 02:50:34< Gambit> norbert_: http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20060823
20100504 02:55:13< norbert_> maybe, but that differs from what Wikipedia has to say
20100504 02:58:08< norbert_> nothing about eternal virginity there ;)
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20100504 03:03:38< Gambit> norbert_: A real noob clearly edited that part out.
20100504 03:03:44< Gambit> It's just what one would do!
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20100504 05:10:23< gamefreak264> Has anyone here tried installing 1.8.1 on Windows? I recently installed it and for some reason all the font chracters are showing up as []-like symbols. 1.8 and the 1.6 line worked fine. I've tried uninstalling(regeristries too) and re installing 1.8.1.
20100504 05:10:40< gamefreak264> Nothing helped.
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20100504 05:16:45< Gambit> gamefreak264: What version of windows?
20100504 05:16:48< Gambit> What language?
20100504 05:16:52< Gambit> etc.
20100504 05:17:15< gamefreak264> Gambit: XP SP3 and English. Need any other information?
20100504 05:17:23< Gambit> 95, 98, 98SE, 2000, and ME have all had the same problem you speak of since 1.6ish
20100504 05:17:45< Gambit> gamefreak264: Eh sorry. I don't know what's wrong then.
20100504 05:17:48< Gambit> Try the forums.
20100504 05:17:52< Gambit> forums.wesnoth.org
20100504 05:18:06< Gambit> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewforum.php?f=4
20100504 05:18:10< Gambit> ^tech support forum
20100504 05:18:11< gamefreak264> gambit: Thanks for your time, I'll consider the forums.
20100504 05:18:41< gamefreak264> I think I might try redownloading 1.8.1 and installing that once more before I try that
20100504 05:20:11< gamefreak264> I've been wanting to install Arch Linux on my netbook anyway, I guess this is a good excuse to do so :P
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20100504 15:02:05< King_Elendil> hey artisticdude :)
20100504 15:02:26< artisticdude> hello
20100504 15:02:59< King_Elendil> any interesting sprite art under-way?
20100504 15:03:16< artisticdude> terrain, actually
20100504 15:03:34< artisticdude> and blocking for an animation
20100504 15:03:48< King_Elendil> cool :) have you posted any of the terrain yet?
20100504 15:04:30< artisticdude> Yes, in my art thread. A mole-tunnel sort of dirt mound I'm making for Captain Wrathbow.
20100504 15:05:10< King_Elendil> let me look at it, I've been slightly behind on the forums lately...
20100504 15:05:28< artisticdude> I should be doing some more coding, but I'm just too into art at the moment. :P
20100504 15:06:53< King_Elendil> I should be doing some coding, but I'm too in to playing right now :p
20100504 15:08:53< King_Elendil> Ooh, looks neat :)
20100504 15:09:09< King_Elendil> needs a shadow though like they were saying
20100504 15:11:29< artisticdude> yeah, I'll do that in sec here...
20100504 15:11:30< artisticdude> terrain is a lot 
20100504 15:11:30< artisticdude> more difficult than sprites
20100504 15:11:39< King_Elendil> I bet
20100504 15:12:08< King_Elendil> You can do it though, you just get better and better at art the more you do ;)
20100504 15:12:14< artisticdude> photoshop brushes are cool though >.>
20100504 15:12:21< artisticdude> True.
20100504 15:12:53< artisticdude> I aim to contribute to mainline, although I have no idea when or if that's gonna happen. 
20100504 15:13:14< artisticdude> Are you still working on *the* campaign?
20100504 15:13:20< King_Elendil> oh, and get a bluename, that would be awesome 
20100504 15:13:30< King_Elendil> yep
20100504 15:13:47< artisticdude> how is it going?
20100504 15:14:18< King_Elendil> It kinda doesn't have to be a secret, he just doesn't want to make a thread till we actually have something to offer
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20100504 15:15:19< King_Elendil> it's going well, he has a very systematic way of planning a scenario to gether, then we code it
20100504 15:15:31< artisticdude> Smart. But few authors are willing to give out details of their campaigns, just so it isn't spoiled for the player.
20100504 15:15:44< King_Elendil> so it seems like it's going slow, but we're making progress
20100504 15:16:05< artisticdude> Believe me, I know how slow it goes. :P
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20100504 15:17:46< King_Elendil> I'm sorry about that, I lose connection quite often, and there's nothing I can do about it :/
20100504 15:18:41< artisticdude> Heck, don't apologize, my connection is constant but S-L-OW, so I'm in the same boat.
20100504 15:19:01< artisticdude> now where'd that last hyphen go? :S
20100504 15:19:26< King_Elendil> he's being very careful, he wants them to know it all by the end, but not to soon, and he doesn't want big changes in the story to "slap the reader/player in the face like a dead fish"
20100504 15:19:35< King_Elendil> lol
20100504 15:20:27< artisticdude> He's right there. I start with a general idea of the story and fill it in as I go along. I shouldn't, but I do.
20100504 15:21:37< King_Elendil> last time we talked it think he said he had the story part figured out, but I haven't seen it yet, so idk
20100504 15:22:28< artisticdude> Have you noticed that Eleazar is around again, thankfully, and he's already back hard at work? He's redoing some terrain and creating new ones. The guy's an awesome artist (and and art dev).
20100504 15:24:43< King_Elendil> nope, I guess he wasn't around when I joined because I've never heard of him (I think), and lately I haven't had time to hang around the forums 
20100504 15:26:31 * King_Elendil thinks that's what people will be saying about you some day ;)
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20100504 15:26:53< Kenpachi> there is some nice terrain stuff on the forums atm
20100504 15:27:38< King_Elendil> does Kyle Poole ever come here?
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20100504 15:30:08< artisticdude> my connection just faltered.
20100504 15:31:42< King_Elendil> lol
20100504 15:31:55< King_Elendil> I thought you abandoned me :p
20100504 15:32:22< artisticdude> nope, just a bad internet day.
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20100504 15:33:21< artisticdude> maybe it's because I'm running three separate tabs and using webchat...
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20100504 15:33:46< King_Elendil> did you get colloquy?
20100504 15:33:58< artisticdude> no
20100504 15:34:06< King_Elendil> why not?
20100504 15:34:18< artisticdude> I keep meaning to, but somehow...
20100504 15:34:26< sevis> Open tabs in $WEBBROWSER should not use bandwidth, unless they've got scripts on them.
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20100504 15:34:55< artisticdude> I don't know, I suck at internet know-how.
20100504 15:36:39< artisticdude> does anyone here have an ipod touch?
20100504 15:37:02< King_Elendil> got one saturday :D
20100504 15:37:19< artisticdude> wow, really? :P
20100504 15:37:47< King_Elendil> for my b-day :)
20100504 15:37:56< artisticdude> I'm thinking of getting one, but I was wondering if you can create/edit text files with it.
20100504 15:38:05< King_Elendil> yep :)
20100504 15:38:26< King_Elendil> hey, i bet I could code on mine...
20100504 15:38:34< artisticdude> My B-day's coming up on the 30th, so I'll be trying to get one.
20100504 15:38:47< artisticdude> I want one so I can code on the go.
20100504 15:39:03< King_Elendil> yeah, that would be sweet
20100504 15:39:07< artisticdude> possibly even sprite, although I'm not sure if there's a pixel app 
20100504 15:39:16< King_Elendil> and wesnoth on it is awesome :)
20100504 15:39:54< King_Elendil> adobe ideas is neat for art, but maybe not sprit art...
20100504 15:40:02< artisticdude> That's one of the main reasons I want the touch, so I can play wesnoth while I suffer in the dentist's office, wait for my cello lesson, etc.
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20100504 15:40:36< artisticdude> I wish you could display the itunes store in your browser.
20100504 15:41:17< King_Elendil> you can in iTunes :p
20100504 15:41:59< artisticdude> Yeah, but Itunes takes forever to load for me. Maybe I should try updating it, but I hate waking up two hours early.
20100504 15:42:18< Ken_Oh> in SideWML ---> side: a digit.
20100504 15:42:48< Ken_Oh> This is actually wrong. Would "an integer" or just "a number" work better here?
20100504 15:44:05< artisticdude> either, I should think, although more people would understand 'number', I'd imagine.
20100504 15:45:13< artisticdude> King_Elendil: do you decorate at all (balloons, streamers, etc.) for your birthday?
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20100504 15:47:54< artisticdude> Currently our house is decorated with Hello Kitty decorations (ugh) for my sister's birthday. 
20100504 15:49:49< King_Elendil> no, I don't decorate
20100504 15:51:13< King_Elendil> I went out to  breakfast with just my dad, then I went out to dinner with my whole family (all six of us)
20100504 15:51:43< King_Elendil> and had a cae from the best backery around
20100504 15:51:58< King_Elendil> *cake bakery 
20100504 15:51:58< artisticdude> Me neither. Although my last decorations were back when Star Wars III (Revenge of the Sith) came out, featuring Darth Vader. Those were cool, but you get to the point where they become sort of silly.
20100504 15:52:12< King_Elendil> yep
20100504 15:52:45< artisticdude> Six people in your family? Heh. I've got eight in mine. :P
20100504 15:52:50< Kenpachi> 14
20100504 15:52:53< Kenpachi> beat that :P
20100504 15:52:55< King_Elendil> six for now...
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20100504 15:53:11< artisticdude> !4? Are you serious?
20100504 15:53:14< King_Elendil> actually I have nine, just six living with me
20100504 15:53:15< Kenpachi> yes
20100504 15:53:23< Kenpachi> 12 children
20100504 15:53:38< artisticdude> Boy, that's cool. 
20100504 15:53:43< King_Elendil> 10 if you count my sister in law
20100504 15:53:50< King_Elendil> that would beccol
20100504 15:54:00< King_Elendil> * be cool
20100504 15:54:29< Kenpachi> it is, till you all want to use the bathroom
20100504 15:54:33< Kenpachi> :P
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20100504 15:55:35< artisticdude> I'm the oldest of the kids (okay, my twin brother, but he's 45 minutes younger- a difference that makes all the difference), and none of us are quite into college yet, so no sisters/brothers-in-law around yet.
20100504 15:56:18< Kenpachi> no in-laws for me either
20100504 15:56:18< iElendil> hello, this is me from my iPod
20100504 15:56:40< artisticdude> Oh, I was wondering about that name for a moment. :P
20100504 15:57:02< artisticdude> I'm like "Someone's stealing his name!"
20100504 15:57:40< iElendil> I can't imagine what kenpachi's family reunion will be like
20100504 15:58:10< artisticdude> Do you know about the duggers?
20100504 15:58:10< iElendil> yes, I'm stealing my name :p
20100504 15:58:31< iElendil> saw them at church awhile ago
20100504 15:59:21< artisticdude> the family with 18 (or is it 19?) kids?
20100504 15:59:44< iElendil> was behind their bus in traffic one Sunday so we went to the church they were visiting
20100504 16:00:22< iElendil> got them all to sign a book for me :p
20100504 16:00:31< iElendil> yes 
20100504 16:01:02< artisticdude> that's cool. I've only ever seen them on TV (my mom watches them). Whaddaya know.
20100504 16:02:29< iElendil> yep, we were building our shop at the same time they were building their house, so we were really into their show
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20100504 16:03:49< iElendil> sorry, pushedthe wrong button :p
20100504 16:04:10< iElendil> forgot to space :/
20100504 16:05:03< Kenpachi> hehe, Christmas is interesting already :P
20100504 16:05:30< iElendil> I bet :p
20100504 16:06:38< artisticdude> I'm surprised Gambit isn't here, he's usually always here when I am.
20100504 16:06:59< iElendil> I know
20100504 16:07:12< artisticdude> Unless he's here under a different name... hmm...
20100504 16:08:20< artisticdude> Dirtmounds... ugh. Shading dirt is a chore. :P
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20100504 16:10:18< iElendil> I'm back :)
20100504 16:10:31< artisticdude> Again. :P
20100504 16:11:13< iElendil> I love this, I can chat from my bed :
20100504 16:11:27< iElendil> :p
20100504 16:11:46< artisticdude> Have you ever tried making a movie?
20100504 16:13:01< artisticdude> Well, I should go. See you all later. :)
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20100504 16:13:08< iElendil> bye
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20100504 19:49:08< artisticdude> Hello again. :)
20100504 19:49:43< Unnheulu> Hiah artisticdude
20100504 19:49:59 * Unnheulu is coding xmoto
20100504 19:50:13< Unnheulu> The old developer left :(
20100504 19:50:35< artisticdude> Coding Xmoto? I don't envy you.
20100504 19:50:45< Unnheulu> Why ever not?
20100504 19:50:53< Unnheulu> The code is waaay simpler than wesnoths
20100504 19:51:18< artisticdude> I just don't really enjoy Xmoto.
20100504 19:51:40< Unnheulu> Ah
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20100504 19:52:01< Unnheulu> It's not that bad once you get sued to it
20100504 19:52:04< Unnheulu> *used
20100504 19:52:09< artisticdude> Maybe I should give it another try sometime, but I just can't work up the courage to do so.
20100504 19:52:19< Unnheulu> Not as fun as Wesnoth, but, if you can't be bothered to think
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20100504 19:54:05< Unnheulu> Meh, I hate compiling
20100504 19:54:07< Unnheulu> Takes so long
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20100504 19:59:18< artisticdude> I should really learn how to code in something other than WML.
20100504 19:59:27< Unnheulu> :P
20100504 19:59:34< King_Elendil> hey, you're back  :)
20100504 20:00:00< artisticdude> I'm looking into taking Python as an elective, but we'll see...
20100504 20:00:10< Unnheulu> Python's easy
20100504 20:00:15< Unnheulu> And my favourite
20100504 20:00:20< artisticdude> Yep, if you're referring to me, that is.
20100504 20:00:48< artisticdude> I can't find any good beginner manuals for python, though. 
20100504 20:00:57< King_Elendil> then when you do, you can tell me what you've learned :)
20100504 20:00:59< artisticdude> you wouldn't have any suggestions, would you?
20100504 20:01:06 * Unnheulu shakes his head :/
20100504 20:01:14< King_Elendil> me? no :(
20100504 20:01:18< Unnheulu> I honestly can't remember how I learnt
20100504 20:01:48< Unnheulu> I think I hated C++, and then looked at pygame tutorials, but, thats all^^
20100504 20:02:00< artisticdude> I aim to learn C++ eventually, but I want to start with something a bit less... complicated.
20100504 20:02:08< Unnheulu> Java?
20100504 20:02:29< Unnheulu> C#/mono?
20100504 20:02:39< Unnheulu> PHP/
20100504 20:02:45< Unnheulu> They're all more like C++ than python :P
20100504 20:04:05< artisticdude> I want to be able to create a stand-alone program that will run natively on Mac OS X. I've got Xcode and all that, but I can't figure out how to use them. Since a lot of native Mac programs especially are created in C++ (wesnoth among them), I thought C++ must be be best. 
20100504 20:04:20< Unnheulu> So learn that? :P
20100504 20:04:57< artisticdude> Well, I want to eventually, perhaps when I'm in or through college...
20100504 20:05:24< Unnheulu> C++ was the first language I learn, but, I never got further than pointers
20100504 20:05:29< Unnheulu> They've *always* confused me
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20100504 20:16:02< gamefreak264> I don't  think he really understands that the word "best" is very relitive
20100504 20:16:13< gamefreak264> especially when it comes to stuff like programming
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20100504 20:38:33< Unnheulu> Hiah Aethaeryn
20100504 20:39:38< Aethaeryn> hi
20100504 20:40:04 * Aethaeryn is nearing the end of his spring semester... :)
20100504 20:40:34< Aethaeryn> A handful of readings left, only one psychology online quiz left... basically downhill until finals week. :)
20100504 20:41:07< Unnheulu> Are finals like British GCSE's?
20100504 20:41:09< Aethaeryn> Unfortunately, that means I won't really have time for Wesnoth until I do my homework first... If I don't put my homework first -- and I've learned this over the years -- then some of it doesn't get done. :P
20100504 20:41:16< Aethaeryn> no, finals = final exams.
20100504 20:41:22< Aethaeryn> As in, the final test in every course.
20100504 20:41:28< Unnheulu> So you have finals in every grade?
20100504 20:41:40< Aethaeryn> Usually worth somewhere between 25% and 40% of the grade in the class.
20100504 20:41:44< Aethaeryn> And yes, they're done by course.
20100504 20:42:02< Unnheulu> So they aren't as scary/important as they sound then
20100504 20:42:11< Aethaeryn> Oh, they're still scary...
20100504 20:42:13< Unnheulu> Omg I hate sdl
20100504 20:42:28< Aethaeryn> They're longer than all other exams since they have special periods for them instead of class time.
20100504 20:42:42< Unnheulu> I wouldn't complain about that
20100504 20:42:48< Aethaeryn> And again, they're worth 25% to 40% of the grade depending on the subject, so they're scary in that you could get an A up UNTIL finals week...
20100504 20:42:49< Unnheulu> Means less learning to do
20100504 20:43:17< Unnheulu> Just make yourself ill and get an estimated grade :)
20100504 20:43:25< Unnheulu> s/estimated/predicted/
20100504 20:43:27< Aethaeryn> Nah.
20100504 20:43:37< Aethaeryn> In American universities, missing it usually means a 0
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20100504 20:43:44< Unnheulu> Ah
20100504 20:43:50< Aethaeryn> And no matter how bad you're going to do, a 50% is better than a 0%
20100504 20:43:55< Unnheulu> Yeh
20100504 20:44:10 * Unnheulu knows a kid who got 6% in an exam once
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20100504 20:44:22< Unnheulu> Heya gam
20100504 20:44:28< Gambit> Stalker!
20100504 20:44:30< Unnheulu> Gambit*
20100504 20:44:31< Gambit> jk. Hello.
20100504 20:44:35< Unnheulu> Hiah
20100504 20:45:05< Gambit> How goes it?
20100504 20:45:23< Aethaeryn> Unnheulu: Oh, my logic class is the worst offender.
20100504 20:45:31 * Unnheulu is gonna murder who coded sdl_ttf
20100504 20:45:37< Aethaeryn> There was 8 100%s on the last exam...
20100504 20:45:48< Aethaeryn> And probably about 10 that were under 40%
20100504 20:45:59< Gambit> Aethaeryn: And you know this because.... ?
20100504 20:46:09< Gambit> I always suspected you were secretly a teacher :o
20100504 20:46:12< Aethaeryn> Professors like to talk about grades.
20100504 20:46:16< Gambit> Oh :(
20100504 20:46:18< Aethaeryn> At least at UMBC.
20100504 20:46:27< Aethaeryn> They like to go, "here's the distribution" if they're organized.
20100504 20:46:38< Aethaeryn> Or if they're like my logic professor, they just kinda read off grades without saying names.
20100504 20:46:52< Unnheulu> When they do that you can work out who did worse through trial and error
20100504 20:47:04< Unnheulu> Anyone who didn't get the class worse is willing to say their grades
20100504 20:47:10< Unnheulu> Whoever got the class worse isn't
20100504 20:47:11< Unnheulu> Easy!
20100504 20:48:04< Gambit> Unless you're doing so well you don't want to make anyone else feel bad.
20100504 20:48:12< Gambit> And so you keep your yap shut.
20100504 20:48:24< Gambit> So many synonyms for mouth.
20100504 20:48:33< Gambit> yap, trap, flap
20100504 20:48:38< Gambit> pie hole
20100504 20:48:58< Aethaeryn> Unnheulu: that's akin to saying that anyone who is open about what they did last Tuesday didn't do anything wrong but anyone who doesn't want to say anything must've been doing something illegal.
20100504 20:49:16< Unnheulu> Except, a class has 30pupils tops
20100504 20:49:21< Gambit> "I cheated on my wife last teusday!"
20100504 20:49:27< Aethaeryn> Unnheulu: I go to a big university.
20100504 20:49:29< Unnheulu> If 28 of them tell you their scores
20100504 20:49:34< Aethaeryn> Yes, most upper level classes have 30-40 people tops.
20100504 20:49:48< Aethaeryn> But some of the 100 levels like PSYC 100 have hundreds of people per session.
20100504 20:49:52< Aethaeryn> And 3 TAs.
20100504 20:50:34< Aethaeryn> And my university isn't even the biggest in my state.
20100504 20:50:56< Aethaeryn> It's more of a specialist in tech/engineering/science/math
20100504 20:51:08< Aethaeryn> so it's for the people too smart for University of Maryland ;)
20100504 20:53:07< Gambit> That's awful.
20100504 20:54:45 * Gambit wonders if anyone from University of Maryland is in here.
20100504 20:55:00< Gambit> Of course it could just be an inside joke between that person and Aethaeryn...
20100504 20:55:02< Gambit> hmm
20100504 20:58:50< Aethaeryn> Nah.
20100504 20:58:54< Aethaeryn> It's more of an inside joke within UMBC
20100504 20:59:41< Aethaeryn> Since every out-of-state knows of the sports-focused University of Maryland but no one has heard of the more-academically-focused-but-smaller University of Maryland Baltimore County (almost universally called UMBC)
20100504 21:00:28 * Unnheulu doesn't know the University of Maryland :)
20100504 21:00:41< Aethaeryn> In other words, we're the better school for academics, but since America is so sports-focused and University of Maryland College Park (almost always referred to as University of Maryland except by us, who call it "College Park") is big on football/sports...
20100504 21:00:55< Aethaeryn> No one has heard of UMBC, unless it's because of our champion chess team.
20100504 21:01:20< Aethaeryn> Unnheulu: Are you not American? That would explain it.
20100504 21:01:26< Unnheulu> I am not American :)
20100504 21:01:30< Aethaeryn> It's also possible that IRC channels attract anti-sports crowd.
20100504 21:01:33< Aethaeryn> At least anti-team-sports.
20100504 21:01:51< Gambit> Sports -_-
20100504 21:02:08< Gambit> My school created a brand new science job just to get a better football coach.
20100504 21:02:15< Aethaeryn> Oh, I understand being in shape and all. I walk and take the stairs every chance I can.
20100504 21:02:20< Gambit> *the school I would be in if I wasnt homeschooled
20100504 21:02:24< Aethaeryn> But my small high school was *very* sports focused.
20100504 21:02:29< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Yep.
20100504 21:02:33< Aethaeryn> Every teacher coached a sport.
20100504 21:02:39< Aethaeryn> And just about everyone was in at least one sport.
20100504 21:02:39< Gambit> Their football coach/social studies teacher left
20100504 21:02:48< Aethaeryn> Even the drama department worked around the assumption that you'd be in a sport.
20100504 21:02:54< Gambit> the coach/science teacher of anotehr school
20100504 21:02:58< Gambit> who was a really good coach
20100504 21:02:59< Unnheulu> America's obesity levels constitutes a national security risk ._.
20100504 21:03:00< Gambit> wanted to work here
20100504 21:03:04< Aethaeryn> And the chess club was dependent on one student who left after 10th grade...
20100504 21:03:12< Gambit> So my school went and made a brand new science job so they could get him
20100504 21:03:14< Aethaeryn> So basically, all it offered outside of academics was sports :S
20100504 21:03:23< Gambit> and the social studies job is currently being filled by a sub.
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20100504 21:03:52< Aethaeryn> I think I will have to homeschool my kids when I have them, at least up through middle school.
20100504 21:03:56< Gambit> And I think something like 90% of some money they got went towards football a few years back.
20100504 21:04:19< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Homeschooling is awesome.
20100504 21:04:21 * Unnheulu got home-schooled a bit after leaving a school
20100504 21:04:21< Aethaeryn> How else will they learn math, Greek, and Latin *before* they're allowed to have any electives?
20100504 21:04:41< Unnheulu> Aethaeryn: Greek and Latin?
20100504 21:04:48< Unnheulu> This is the 21st century ;)
20100504 21:04:49< Gambit> You get to take more classes and still end up working less time per day.
20100504 21:04:49< Aethaeryn> Yes, foundational stuff.
20100504 21:05:07< Aethaeryn> If you learn latin, you can learn Romanian, Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, and even English spelling better.
20100504 21:05:26< Aethaeryn> So imho, you should learn Latin before high school, at least fundamental foundational stuff.
20100504 21:05:30< Aethaeryn> If you ever want to not be a monolinguist.
20100504 21:05:31< Unnheulu> What about Welsh Manx Scottish Gaelic Irish Breton Cornish or Cumbric?
20100504 21:05:44< Aethaeryn> Screw pre-English stuff.
20100504 21:05:46< Unnheulu> *Scottish Gaelic is one word
20100504 21:05:54< Unnheulu> Latin is pre-English?
20100504 21:05:56< Aethaeryn> Tell me what great literary works are written before the modern era?
20100504 21:06:03< Aethaeryn> That weren't in Latin/Greek?
20100504 21:06:13< Aethaeryn> Not counting stuff non-European/Mediterranean, of course
20100504 21:06:17< Unnheulu> That's cause those are all Celtic languages :P
20100504 21:06:23< Aethaeryn> Exactly.
20100504 21:06:40< Unnheulu> The Celts would rather kill eachother and put their enemies heads on poles
20100504 21:06:42< Aethaeryn> I'd respect Celtic languages if there was useful Celtic literature and philosophical works you could gain access to.
20100504 21:06:59< Unnheulu> Harry Potter has been translated to welsh?
20100504 21:07:01< Gambit> "How to cut off a head"
20100504 21:07:02< Aethaeryn> But, unfortunately, pretty much everything scholarly was done in Latin until the Renaissance.
20100504 21:07:06 * Unnheulu has it lying around somewhere
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20100504 21:07:18< Aethaeryn> So the only pre-modern European languages worth learning are Latin and Greek.
20100504 21:07:29< Aethaeryn> Unless you're a linguist and want to collect a bunch of language knowledge.
20100504 21:07:36< Unnheulu> Harri Potter a Maen yr Athronydd
20100504 21:07:38< Aethaeryn> Or unless you want to gain greater depth of a language's origins.
20100504 21:08:00< Unnheulu> Aethaeryn: funny how you have a very welsh sounding name ;)
20100504 21:08:07< Aethaeryn> It's pseudo-welsh
20100504 21:08:16< Aethaeryn> Straight out of the Wesnoth name file.
20100504 21:08:21< Unnheulu> :D
20100504 21:08:26< Unnheulu> All the humans sound welsh
20100504 21:08:31< Aethaeryn> It's part of a peculiar practice of changing my username every time I change games.
20100504 21:08:49< Gambit> But then how would people ever recognize you? :o
20100504 21:09:04< Aethaeryn> I've had at least 4-5 names.
20100504 21:09:14< Aethaeryn> Well, because otherwise I pick a generic name.
20100504 21:09:18< Aethaeryn> One that may or may not be taken.
20100504 21:09:24< Aethaeryn> And that may or may not fit in with the game.
20100504 21:09:39< Aethaeryn> And which I might not be able to port over into a new game/website anyway because it's too generic.
20100504 21:09:45< Aethaeryn> So I tend to pick rather distinct/memorable names.
20100504 21:11:38< Aethaeryn> I'm a creative person but one area where I fail miserably is names.
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20100504 21:12:33< Gambit> When I finally snapped with things being taken I fused two of my favorite usernames into one nonexistent word.
20100504 21:12:58< Unnheulu> omg...my code compiled
20100504 21:13:02< Gambit> It belonged to an Eve Online player when I googled it, but those guys don't time for other games.
20100504 21:13:20< Gambit> They're too busy with math and spreadsheets.
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20100504 21:15:45< Unnheulu> But, it failed
20100504 21:16:15< Unnheulu> Gambit: your an x-man
20100504 21:16:26< Aethaeryn> Gambit: MMOs are the modern-day equivilent to drugs.
20100504 21:16:38< Gambit> Unnheulu: I am THE X-Man
20100504 21:16:40< Aethaeryn> goodbye free time, goodbye friends, goodbye family, goodbye grades
20100504 21:16:50< Gambit> Aethaeryn: And money!
20100504 21:17:02< Gambit> Gambit was always cooler than Wolverine.
20100504 21:17:03< Aethaeryn> pick a good one
20100504 21:17:06< Aethaeryn> like Guild Wars
20100504 21:17:09< Aethaeryn> that you only have to pay for once :P
20100504 21:17:29< Gambit> But kids like claws more than exploding poker cards.
20100504 21:17:39< Gambit> *+these days ?
20100504 21:17:59< Aethaeryn> Gambit: so is your ultra nickname Gamberine? :P
20100504 21:18:06< Gambit> No.
20100504 21:18:13< Gambit> Wolverine can go die.
20100504 21:18:29< Gambit> How he became the main mascot for the X-Men is beyond me.
20100504 21:18:34< Gambit> Oh wait... he can't go die.
20100504 21:18:43< Gambit> He can't die :@
20100504 21:18:44< Gambit> lol
20100504 21:18:45< Aethaeryn> I always thought Cyclops was the leader.
20100504 21:18:51< Aethaeryn> But they killed him off in the movies and I was like wtf
20100504 21:18:55< Gambit> That chump is nothing if you take his visor.
20100504 21:19:00< Gambit> Gambit can make you explode
20100504 21:19:13< Aethaeryn> actually
20100504 21:19:14< Gambit> Actually shadowcat is the strongest of the X-Men.
20100504 21:19:18< Aethaeryn> he's everything if you take off his visor
20100504 21:19:21< Aethaeryn> makes him TOO powerful :P
20100504 21:19:31< Aethaeryn> he can't control it, no, but he'll kill you just by looking at your direction
20100504 21:19:40< Gambit> Yeah but he'll close his eyes because he's a pansy.
20100504 21:20:00< Unnheulu> I'm reading the Gambit wiki
20100504 21:20:12< Aethaeryn> Gambit: you have your own wiki?
20100504 21:20:17< Unnheulu> http://dynamo.iro.umontreal.ca/~gambit/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
20100504 21:20:19< Aethaeryn> also, I never knew you were an x-men fan.
20100504 21:20:24< Gambit> I'm not.
20100504 21:20:24< Aethaeryn> I thought you were a chess player. :P
20100504 21:20:50< Gambit> I read a few comics, played a video game, watch some cartoons, took the coolest one's nickname for life.
20100504 21:20:52< Gambit> That's not a fan.
20100504 21:21:04< Gambit> "a few" == two
20100504 21:21:34< Gambit> Unnheulu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambit_(comics)
20100504 21:21:51< Gambit> But yeah... shadowcat is the strongest.
20100504 21:22:14< Gambit> You can't hit her, and she can phase her hand right into your chest and pull your heart out.
20100504 21:22:45< Aethaeryn> Dr. Manhattan is the strongest...
20100504 21:22:46< Aethaeryn> oh... wait...
20100504 21:23:29< Gambit> Plus apparently Gambit becomes Death itself later on in the series.
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20100504 21:27:26< Aethaeryn> Gambit: So why didn't you choose the name "Death itself"?
20100504 21:28:39< Gambit> It was taken :P
20100504 21:28:43< Gambit> jk.
20100504 21:28:58< Gambit> Because I just read about the death thing on wikipedia a few minutes ago ;)
20100504 21:28:58< Gambit> lol
20100504 21:29:46< Gambit> When I chose the name this was all I knew :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men_(Sega)
20100504 21:31:23< Gambit> How many other games force you to restart the console to win? :)
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20100504 21:36:44< Unnheulu> The one level game?
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20100504 22:47:04< sevis> Hm. Vista partitions should be resized with Vista's utility... noted.
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20100504 22:49:56< PetePorty> Will you try to kill me Gambit?
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20100504 23:02:19< cph> gah, "Strange Allies" (THoT) is really tough on Hard.
20100504 23:03:12< cph> I want an option to use a slow attack on my ally, so I can stop him making suicidal attacks on the enemy :P
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